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L8[00:55:19] <Sandra> Is there a term for a
programming language that is capable of compiling/interpreting it's
own source code?
L9[00:56:19] <gamax92> Sandra: Quine?
L10[00:56:26] <Sandra> quine?
L11[00:56:59] <Sandra> oh, that's a
self-replicating program...
L12[00:57:01] <Sandra> not quite.
L13[00:57:35] <Trangar> I know what term
you're referring to
L14[00:57:39] <Trangar> But I forgot what
it's called
L15[00:58:35] <Sandra> what I mean is, a
language that you can write a compiler for that language in.
L16[00:59:02] <Sandra> presumably, it might
just be "Turing Complete."
L17[00:59:07] <Trangar> That's the
one
L19[00:59:21] <Sandra> but I thought maybe
it wasn't.
L20[00:59:54] <Sandra> yeah, bootstrapping
is what I mean.
L21[01:00:06] <Sandra> the term for a
language where bootstrapping is possible.
L22[01:02:23] <Izaya> self-hosting?
L23[01:02:39] <Izaya> self-hosted?
L24[01:03:05] <Vexatos> Sandra, the
original C compiler was written in C
L25[01:03:19] <Vexatos> I think that's
neat
L26[01:03:19] <Vexatos> :P
L28[01:04:29] <Izaya> Vexatos: didn't they
then proceed to hand-compile it?
L29[01:06:34] <snowden89> lol i always
thought originally that it was weird
L30[01:06:41] <snowden89> to compile into
its own language
L31[01:06:46] <snowden89> until i looked
deeper
L32[01:11:48] <KittyKath> Sandra: Turing
complete is correct.
L33[01:16:56] <KittyKath> Well, given of
course that the language you are trying to self-host has some form
of generative grammar of course.
L34[01:22:09] <snowden89> should AI be
capable of updating there own source code?
L35[01:22:58] <KittyKath> What kind of
"should" are you talking about?
L36[01:23:20] <KittyKath> To be classified
as AI? No. Ethically? Debatable.
L37[01:23:21] <snowden89> I feel like AI
should commit a change request and endure a peer code review
L38[01:23:24] <snowden89> process :(
L39[01:23:53] <Skye> Morning
L40[01:24:48] <snowden89> anyway i mean is
it AI, if it just learns actions. ie adds or creates references it
can use to dictate its actions
L41[01:25:23] <snowden89> or would it be AI
if it takes what it perceives then makes changes to its own coding
to react to that event
L42[01:25:56] <Izaya> what's the
difference?
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L44[01:26:06] <Izaya> the second one is
still a form of learning
L45[01:26:30] <Skye> why not have the brain
run in a high level language that is easy for the AI to modify,
that is limited to the scope of logic
L46[01:27:58] <snowden89> hmm
L47[01:28:53] <snowden89> :( alas it will
be unlikelyu for me to ever get my own jarvis
L48[01:39:08] <Izaya> so it seems
L49[01:39:14] <Izaya> unobtainium seems
rather rare, after all
L50[01:46:51] <Skye> Izaya, isn't that the
purpose of the name?
L51[01:47:05] <Skye> It's a meaningful
name! (insert TV tropes reference here)
L52[01:47:06] <Izaya> Skye: yes
L53[01:47:17] <Izaya> yet obviously
everything in the Marvel universe runs on it
L54[01:47:52] <Skye> the Marvel universe
stole all of it
L56[01:48:17] <Izaya> such a pain
L57[01:48:31] <Izaya> I wanted a bullshit
cold fusion reactor that makes no sense and is portable
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L66[03:03:13] <Sandra> KittyKath, right, so
turing complete with an additional selector.
L67[03:03:23] <Sandra> so.... not turing
complete then.
L68[03:03:41] <Sandra> self hosting makes
more sense.
L69[03:05:55] <Sandra> also, AIs would have
to change their own coding to learn.
L70[03:06:42] <Sandra> snowden89, AIs would
/have/ to change their coding in order to learn.
L71[03:06:59] <Sandra> there's like... no
way they can do it without that.
L72[03:07:19] <Sandra> even if they store
tables or whatever, it's still changing their coding.
L73[03:10:25] <Tiktalik> ...
L74[03:10:31] <Tiktalik> sandra, you don't
know what you're talking about
L75[03:11:40] <Kimiro> Self-optimizing code
that learns from application. Heh.
L76[03:12:16] <Sandra> Tiktalik, don't
I?
L77[03:12:34] <Sandra> what don't I
know?
L78[03:13:24] <Tiktalik> code =/= stored
data
L79[03:13:34] <Tiktalik> if, say
L80[03:13:41] <Tiktalik> something stored
the results of what it was doing in a database
L81[03:13:47] <Tiktalik> and accessed them
to determine future decisions
L82[03:13:49] <KittyKath> Sandra:
Prerequisite for a program that can read and then modify its own
source code is that the language it is written a) is
Turing-complete b) has a Type-0 or higher grammer (Type-0 is
everything parseable by a Turing machine)
L83[03:13:56] <Tiktalik> that wouldn't be
changing its own code
L84[03:14:34] <Kimiro> o-o That said, it
would be bound by the constraints of the initial programmings
interpretation of the expanding data set.
L85[03:15:17] <Kimiro> In effect, it would
be knowledge without wisdom.
L86[03:19:45] <snowden89> my interest is
just in if you used the standard hollywood line
L87[03:19:50] <snowden89> of laws for
AIs
L88[03:20:05] <snowden89> if it could
change its code wouldn't the laws also be changable
L89[03:20:29] <snowden89> eventually the
base code would no longer be exact enough that those laws would
limit its ability to harm
L90[03:20:46] <snowden89> or not harm* but
I guess at that point it would be true AI
L91[03:20:54] <snowden89> becuase its
actions would be its own
L92[03:21:23] <Tiktalik> guys
L93[03:21:24] <Tiktalik> y'all
L94[03:21:29] <Tiktalik> look into deep
learning
L95[03:21:33] <Tiktalik> neural
networks
L96[03:21:40] <snowden89> i know neural
networks
L97[03:21:47] <snowden89> but that aint no
AI
L98[03:21:54] <snowden89> thats still
machine learning so far
L99[03:21:58] <snowden89> in practice
atleast
L100[03:22:23] <snowden89>
::""({ true AI i guess is still a long way away
L101[03:22:56] <Tiktalik> you're like, 27,
right
L102[03:23:05] <snowden89> :'(
L103[03:23:08] <Tiktalik> ?
L104[03:23:16] <snowden89> I am so
old.
L105[03:23:28] <Tiktalik> you'll probably
live to see the AI revolution
L106[03:23:52] <snowden89> my true goal
would be to experience cyborg uprising
L107[03:24:10] <snowden89> or the lower
cast needing to replace limbs and organic parts
L108[03:24:23] <snowden89> to maintain
employerbility
L109[03:24:57] <snowden89> that is the
distopian future i see
L110[03:24:59] <snowden89> :(
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L112[03:25:08] <Tiktalik> dystopian*
L113[03:25:17] <Tiktalik> also that's
doubtful
L114[03:25:35] <Tiktalik> you'll probably
see robots taking over unskilled labor jobs before augments
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L116[03:25:59] <snowden89> :( i thought it
was y.....
L117[03:26:11] <snowden89> should have
googled instead of winging it
L118[03:26:53] <Kimiro> I for one embrace
our future robot overlords.
L119[03:27:11] <Forecaster> I stock up on
water and hoses
L120[03:27:15] <Forecaster> :3
L121[03:27:30] <Tiktalik> Kimiro: our
future robot slaves*
L122[03:27:41] *
Kimiro giggles
L123[03:27:58] <Kimiro> But I already have
human sla - I mean what.
L124[03:28:23] <Tiktalik> there's
literally no reason a competently designed AI would have a values
system that would drive it to try to take over
L125[03:28:49] <Kimiro> There's no reason
to assume AI will be competently designed, either.
L126[03:29:11] <Tiktalik> yes there
is
L127[03:29:44] <snowden89> nah humans are
incompetent look at our goverment
L128[03:29:51] <snowden89> if we can screw
that up
L129[03:30:02] <snowden89> we can screw up
a sentient machines
L130[03:30:05] <snowden89> idea of
morals
L131[03:30:20] <Kimiro> Look at our first
forays into nuclear power generation. Literally a pile of
radioactive materials on a tennis court.
L132[03:30:23] <Sandra> if AI's job is to
accomplish a task as well as possible.
L133[03:30:52] <Sandra> then inevitably it
will probably accomplish that in some way that harms humans.
L134[03:30:55] <Forecaster> I doub't well
live to see an AI capable of taking over anything :P
L135[03:31:01] <Forecaster> doubt*
L136[03:31:24] <Forecaster> given the
limits of current robotics
L137[03:31:46] <Tiktalik> ...
L138[03:32:05] <Sandra> if we make an
AI.... we don't connect it to /anything/ important.
L139[03:32:06] <Tiktalik> snowden89, you
realize that the government is a committee
L140[03:32:10] <Tiktalik> committees don't
do anything right
L141[03:32:27] <Tiktalik> the government
is incompetent because it's old men squabbling
L142[03:32:33] <Sandra> we don't give it
internet access.
L143[03:32:36] <Kimiro> ... You're farming
some free-range truth with that one, Tiktalik.
L144[03:32:47] <Tiktalik> okay, committees
do do things right
L145[03:32:48] <Tiktalik> but still
L146[03:32:57] <Sandra> except maybe a
lineout to users.
L147[03:32:59] <Tiktalik> the goverment is
incompetent because it's a bunch of disagreeable old men
squabbling
L148[03:33:01] <Forecaster> Sandra: but
how will it look at cat picutres
L149[03:33:03] <Forecaster> :O
L150[03:33:17] <Tiktalik> the kind of
people who work on AI are the ones that are *actually*
competent
L151[03:33:22] <Sandra> one lineout to
users that /it/ can't initiate.
L152[03:33:29] <Tiktalik> it's not an easy
field to get into
L153[03:33:38] <KittyKath> Tiktalik: The
actual problem is not bad design - AI will be designed well. The
problem has been and always will be humans and human greed. Given
that we live in a capitalist society robots and AI will more and
more replace labour of all kinds, enriching the few and leaving the
rest poor.
L154[03:34:08] <Kimiro> KittyKath: The
"humans are bastards" philosophy.
L155[03:34:16] <Kimiro> Love it. XD
L156[03:34:33] <Sandra> KittyKath, but on
the other hand, with no reason to /need/ greed, wouldn't that lead
to us adopting a more socialist/communist philosophy?
L157[03:34:52] <Kimiro> Sandra: ... You
don't know people that well.
L158[03:34:56] <Sandra> because if robots
do /all/ labour, then we can be lazy as we want.
L159[03:35:04] <Sandra> with no
downsides.
L160[03:35:15] <Kimiro> People will
embrace greed for the sake of embracing greed.
L161[03:35:45] <Tiktalik> that kind of
thing would come with massive societal shifts, Kimiro
L162[03:35:46] <Tiktalik> er
L163[03:35:47] <KittyKath> Sandra: Yes,
under one prerequisite: People start giving stuff to other people
for free on a large scale.
L164[03:35:48] <Sandra> but why would
they?
L165[03:35:48] <Tiktalik> KittyKath
L166[03:35:52] <KittyKath> Tiktalik
L167[03:35:59] <Kimiro> It isn't enough
that we would have robot servants, but that the other guy should
have none too.
L168[03:36:25] <Sandra> mmm....
L169[03:36:53] <Kimiro> Ennui is the most
human of all things.
L170[03:37:04] <Tiktalik> not really
L171[03:37:10] <Tiktalik> that's an overly
pessimistic look about things
L172[03:37:11] <Skye> I reada book
L173[03:37:20] <Skye> where the first AIs
stopped other AIs from being made
L174[03:37:30] <Skye> because the wanted
to protect humanity
L175[03:37:51] <Skye> the first humanoid
robots were not allowed to work
L176[03:37:59] <Sandra> I see that, but
if, with robot labour, everyone can a: consume content freely, b:
fit all needs freely, then humans could just relax, and die of
boredom.
L177[03:38:07] <Sandra> welp.
L178[03:38:13] <Sandra> that led
somewhere.
L179[03:38:29] <Tiktalik> Kimiro: most
people who do things like that are not mentally healthy standard
human beings
L180[03:39:12] <Skye> I think copyright
and patents would become very imporant when AIs take over
jobs
L181[03:39:25] <KittyKath> Tiktalik: Where
does the word "overly" in your answer come from? I don't
know where you are from but history teaches us that the length
people will go to to benefit themselves and their small group are
basically endless. Would you rather have a very good friend of
yours die or 100 people you don't know and never will know. Don't
answer that, just think about it.
L182[03:39:27] <Skye> because that's the
only thing people could hold that have value
L183[03:39:46] <Kimiro> Tiktalik: I
propose two challenges then. First, find me a neurotypical human..
Second, find one among world leaders, powerful industrialists or
other such positions of influence.
L184[03:40:24] <Sandra> Skye, but AI's, if
they were proper, could invent themselves.
L185[03:40:44] <Tiktalik> Kimiro: i'd
rather the good friend not die, but i'd prioritize the 100
people
L186[03:40:44] <Sandra> so in that case,
wouldn't the AIs hold the patents/copyright?
L187[03:40:57] <Sandra> could AI hold
patents/copyright?
L188[03:41:00] <Skye> Maybe the AIs will
have pity on the humans that they force out of jobs, and start a
revolution to help the humans
L189[03:41:12] <Skye> that sounds like a
good idea...
L190[03:41:41] <KittyKath> Tiktalik: Tab
fail and also I said don't answer because that is a question you
can not answer honestly based on your socialization.
L191[03:41:48] <Sandra> entertainment
would also be AIified, leading to humans accomplishing nothing with
their live.
L192[03:41:52] <Sandra> s
L193[03:41:53] <Tiktalik> maybe they can
put us all in a giant virtual reality system where we act as
processing power
L194[03:42:06] <Kimiro> 'Ello movie
idea.
L195[03:42:07] <Kimiro> Wait, shit.
L196[03:42:10] <Kimiro> lol
L197[03:42:12] <Sandra> hello
matrix.
L198[03:42:13] <snowden89> lol
L199[03:42:13] <Skye> actually
L200[03:42:22] <Skye> the matrix was for
energy, not for processing power
L201[03:42:28] <Tiktalik> Skye: no, it was
for processing
L203[03:42:38] <Tiktalik> it was changed
to energy because they thought people were too fucking idiotic to
understand it
L204[03:42:39] <Skye> I think it was for
energy
L206[03:42:58] <Tiktalik> even though that
makes uh
L207[03:43:00] <Tiktalik> let me
think
L208[03:43:02] <Sandra> that sounds about
right.
L209[03:43:14] <Skye> isn't spare
processing power very scarce in the brain anyway?
L210[03:43:20] <Tiktalik> several
magnitudes less sense than them being used for processing
power
L211[03:43:29] <Tiktalik> which is already
a stupid idea
L212[03:43:35] <Tiktalik> anyway
yeah
L213[03:44:00] <Skye> like you're using
your brain all the time, like I am typing
L214[03:44:05] <Sandra> Skye, but
billions, and doing less than when typically awake?
L215[03:44:23] <Skye> and complex maths is
needed to walk, or even type
L216[03:44:45] <Tiktalik> no
L217[03:44:56] <Tiktalik> brains don't do
complex maths
L218[03:44:59] <Skye> well
L219[03:45:02] <Skye> they don't
L220[03:45:04] <Skye> but
L221[03:45:05] <Kimiro> Sandra: Brains are
kinda "use it or lose it" though; an idle minds dies, and
so needs to be stimulated. That's kinda why they kept the virtual
reality in the Matrix.
L222[03:45:10] <Tiktalik> brains are
practically the opposite of computers
L223[03:45:15] <Tiktalik> they're good at
approximate stuff
L224[03:45:20] <Sandra> yeah.
L225[03:45:24] <Skye> they do things that
would normally require complex maths
L226[03:45:32] <Sandra> brains are
analogue.
L227[03:45:41] <Skye> also, brains can be
pretty precise
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L229[03:45:56] <Sandra> if they want
to.
L230[03:46:01] <Sandra> if they focus on
it.
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L232[03:46:07] <Skye> Sandra, no
L233[03:46:12] <Skye> walking is not an
easy task
L234[03:46:24] <Sandra> absolutely
not.
L235[03:46:25] <Skye> yet most humans do
it all the time
L236[03:46:42] <Sandra> but it's still a
task that is alright to approximate to a large degree.
L237[03:46:50] <Skye> if you claim walking
is easy I will point you to the robots they're trying to get to
walk
L238[03:46:57] <Skye> you can
approximate
L239[03:47:00] <Skye> but not by a
lot
L240[03:47:08] <Skye> try walking with
your eyes closed
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L242[03:47:31] <Sandra> robots don't have
reflex reactions.
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L244[03:47:44] <Sandra> mostly, walking is
reflexive.
L245[03:47:57] <Sandra> also, I can walk
with my eyes closed just fine.
L246[03:48:04] <Skye> well
L247[03:48:05] <Tiktalik> me too
L248[03:48:08] <Skye> try walking up
stairs
L249[03:48:19] <Tiktalik> would be doable
with practice
L250[03:48:29] <Kimiro> I've always
thought that the human brain is like... The summary of nearly a
trillion parallel processes constantly cycling information. It's
only 'fuzzy' or 'analogue' because of the sheer scale.
L251[03:49:00] <Sandra> ... I guess?
L252[03:49:18] <g> the brain isn't a
computer, however
L253[03:49:26] <g> we understand
compuaters
L254[03:49:29] <g> brains, not so
much
L255[03:50:04] <Sandra> yeah, it's not a
computer in the slightest.
L256[03:50:15] <Kimiro> Weeeeeell.
L257[03:50:22] <Kimiro> For some
definitions it is.
L258[03:50:23] <Skye> the brain can
emulate a turing complete thing, as we can pretend to be turing
machines, so... it kinda is! :P (kinda a joke, but still something
funny)
L259[03:50:35] <Sandra> i suppose so.
:P
L260[03:50:45] <OmegaCenti> a human was
the original computer.
L261[03:50:46] <Kimiro> It takes an
interprets input and gives an output based on that.
L262[03:50:46] <Skye> if we couldn't do
that
L263[03:50:50] <OmegaCenti> we are
computers.
L264[03:50:50] <Skye> then we couldn't
program
L265[03:50:57] <Skye> we couldn't even do
logic
L266[03:50:58] <OmegaCenti> we compute
things, we are compuiters, brains are computers.
L267[03:51:06] <Sandra> sure.... why
not.
L268[03:51:10] <Tiktalik> no, we're
approximators
L269[03:51:14] <Sandra> ..... I
guess.
L270[03:51:20] <OmegaCenti> nah, computers
by definition
L271[03:51:52] <Kimiro> Tiktalik: An
approximate answer is still an output.
L272[03:51:56] <Kimiro> :P
L273[03:52:20] <Sandra> yes, that it
is.
L274[03:52:39] <Skye> also brains can be
quite precice
L275[03:52:41] <Skye> when needed
L276[03:52:59] <Sandra> all of our
calculations work on ranges like "this is blueish so therefore
it's blue."
L277[03:53:20] <OmegaCenti> counterexample
to blue. this stick and this stick are in same place, 2.
L278[03:53:37] <Kimiro> Incidentally, the
human brain can do one thing I really doubt computers will be able
to do.
L279[03:53:37] <Sandra> OmegaCenti,
2?
L280[03:53:44] <OmegaCenti> stick + stick
= 2 stick
L281[03:53:57] <Sandra> ah, yes.
L282[03:54:06] <Tiktalik> Kimiro: what's
that
L283[03:54:13] <Kimiro> They can actively
modify the hardware they run on.
L284[03:54:32] <g> biohacking?
L285[03:54:32] <OmegaCenti>
counterexample: hypervisor processor
L286[03:54:35] <Sandra> can't computers do
that?
L287[03:54:44] <Kimiro> Not to the same
scale.
L288[03:54:51] <Sandra> or can humans do
that at all?
L289[03:54:59] <OmegaCenti> we can cut off
leg
L290[03:55:06] <Sandra> yes, so can
computers.
L291[03:55:06] <OmegaCenti> therefor, yes,
hardware modification
L292[03:55:19] <Kimiro> The human brain is
the subject of one of the oldest and most successful optimization
routines in existence.
L293[03:55:28] <OmegaCenti> I am arguing
in assent for computer can modify, not against
L294[03:55:36] <Sandra> with hardware
attached that lets them modify the rest of their hardware.
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L296[03:55:58] <Kimiro> Heh.
L297[03:56:01] <OmegaCenti> an example is
a hypervisor enabled processor
L298[03:56:02] <Sandra> which after all...
we have.
L299[03:56:05] <Sandra> arms.
L300[03:56:16] <Sandra> are hardware that
allows us to modify our hardware.
L301[03:56:33] <OmegaCenti> yeah, a life
without thumbs would not be happy for me
L302[03:56:33] <Sandra> muscles in general
are that.
L303[03:56:36] <Tiktalik> someone should
make a usb arm
L304[03:56:43] <Sandra> people have.
L305[03:56:45] <Tiktalik> that lets
computers plug in usb stuff
L306[03:56:56] <Tiktalik> then they'll be
able to actively modify the hardware they run on :D
L307[03:57:13] *
OmegaCenti points at Canadarm on Shuttle
L308[03:57:16] <Kimiro> It can change the
hardware, yes.
L309[03:57:20] <OmegaCenti> you mean that
thing we sent to space?
L310[03:57:40] <Sandra> like, if a
humanoid robot had an arm powerful enough, it could whack it's leg
and disconnect the leg.
L311[03:57:58] <OmegaCenti> how about
instead of whacking a leg, whacking a multimiollion dollar
sattellite?
L312[03:57:59] <Sandra> (there's 1 of many
examples.)
L313[03:58:05] <Sandra> of course!
L314[03:58:13] <Kimiro> But it can't
*change* the hardware, as in... It can't take an existing
co-processor and morph it into a new one.
L315[03:58:28] <OmegaCenti> incorrect,
again reference hypervisor processor.
L316[03:58:28] <Sandra> well.... sure it
can.
L317[03:58:28] <snowden89> lol teach a
computer to plug in USBs
L318[03:58:35] <snowden89> give it a
selection
L319[03:58:45] <snowden89> thne see if it
develops a preference
L320[03:58:45] <Sandra> if it has the
hardware to do so.
L321[03:58:50] <snowden89> for certian
input
L322[03:59:10] <Kimiro> OmegaCenti: To the
scale of 100 trillion changes in a second across the typical 80
years a human lives?
L323[03:59:24] <OmegaCenti> howabout
billions, will billions do?
L324[03:59:25] <Tiktalik> Kimiro, I don't
think that's a fair comparison considering that uh.
L325[03:59:40] <Tiktalik> That's basically
the equivalent of brain surgery. >_>
L326[03:59:44] <Sandra> Kimiro, if they
had the hardware to do so, yes.
L327[03:59:48] <Skye> well
L328[04:00:05] <Skye> maybe have two
levels of code, one would be the base, another would be the
learning sort of stuff
L329[04:00:08] <Kimiro> OmegaCenti:
Clearly not, or else we would have sapient AI at the very least.
:)
L330[04:00:09] <OmegaCenti> you are
arguing a scalar value now, not whether they can modify hardware or
not, which is a binary argument
L331[04:00:09] <Skye> the a
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L334[04:00:18] <snowden89> when i think of
robotic arms
L335[04:00:20] <snowden89> lol
L336[04:00:38] <Sandra> Kimiro, not yet,
but there's no reason they can't?
L337[04:00:50] <OmegaCenti> I argue they
can (and do) modify hardware using computerised hardware at the
nanoscale level
L338[04:01:09] <OmegaCenti> again, I point
at programmable hardware based hypervisor driven processor
changes.
L339[04:01:19] <snowden89> i believe PCs
are more able to modify there own hardware
L340[04:01:21] <snowden89> then
humans
L341[04:01:23] <OmegaCenti> yet you are
refusing to acknoledge the point
L342[04:01:40] <snowden89> one, they are
not aTTACHED TO individual components as much as we
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L345[04:01:42] <snowden89> are
L346[04:01:47] <OmegaCenti> arguing that
trillions are needed instead of billions is "moving the
goalpost" so to speak
L347[04:02:10] <OmegaCenti> we started
with, can it; or can it not; now we are arguing about how
many
L348[04:02:29] <Sandra> snowden89,
well....... they can or can't be.
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L351[04:02:47] <Sandra> we aren't really
attached to them.
L352[04:02:50] *
OmegaCenti rips out hair and points at the darn
hypervisor
L353[04:03:05] <OmegaCenti> done, done
done with argument
L354[04:03:12] <Kimiro> OmegaCenti: Bald
is not a good look for you. :P
L355[04:03:23] <OmegaCenti> I know, my
hair is getting really long
L356[04:03:26] <Sandra> snowden89, might I
talk to you about robotic arm replacements for humans?
L357[04:03:34] *
OmegaCenti measure it.. thinks it is past shoulders
now
L358[04:03:43] <Sandra> clearly, we can
replace our limbs.
L359[04:03:51] <Sandra> we can replace our
hardware.
L360[04:04:03] <OmegaCenti> we can replace
our hardware with others hardware
L361[04:04:16] <Sandra> and we can remove
our hardware.
L362[04:04:19] <OmegaCenti> heck, we don't
even need the same machine specs!
L363[04:04:45] <Sandra> the only thing
computers /don't/ have is the software.
L364[04:04:46] <Forecaster> OmegaCenti:
how's the control program going?
L365[04:04:56] <snowden89> sandra phantom
pain
L366[04:05:00] <OmegaCenti> "points
to pig heart extracellular matrix-majig"
L367[04:05:01] <Sandra> (and the speed I
guess.)
L368[04:05:03] <snowden89> and longing for
the original limbs
L369[04:05:05] <g> I should point
out
L370[04:05:08] <OmegaCenti> Forecaster,
running beautifully
L371[04:05:13] <g> It's usually someone
else amputating your arm or replacing it
L372[04:05:15] <Forecaster> nice
L373[04:05:16] <snowden89> would indicate
our mind and body
L374[04:05:27] <snowden89> does not handle
loss of hardware well
L375[04:05:32] <snowden89> it can learn to
adapt around it
L376[04:05:35] <OmegaCenti> g: points at
doctor who took out own appendix while fully aware
L377[04:05:39] <Sandra> well, yes.
L378[04:05:42] <g> oh yeah, it's
possible
L379[04:05:45] <g> it's just.. not a good
idea
L380[04:05:50] <Sandra> of course.
L381[04:06:00] <Sandra> possibility is the
argument.
L382[04:06:09] <snowden89> a computer
though is not attached to its feet. compared to if it changed
L383[04:06:15] <snowden89> to a wheel
track
L384[04:06:22] <snowden89> it would still
just be driving that
L385[04:06:51] <Sandra> snowden89, ... so
now we're debating if a computer could have feelings.
L386[04:07:05] <snowden89> nope.
L387[04:07:13] <snowden89> more so humans
have a sense of wrongness
L388[04:07:20] <snowden89> when
limbs/hardware are removed
L389[04:07:25] <snowden89> phantoom pains
etc
L390[04:07:29] <snowden89> would be short
circuits
L391[04:07:30] <OmegaCenti> attachment I
would define as an emotional response, positive or negative
L392[04:07:37] <Sandra> yeah.
L393[04:07:39] <OmegaCenti> attached to
its feet. "attached"
L394[04:07:41] <Sandra> it's
emotional.
L395[04:08:16] <snowden89> a robots body
would all just be attachments that its {brain} self/system attaches
to
L396[04:08:34] <snowden89> modular
attachments
L397[04:08:37] <Sandra> snowden89, there's
no reason why a smart AI couldn't think "what, my legs are
gone and now I have wheels? what is this?"
L398[04:08:41] <OmegaCenti> counter:
replace robots word with human. literally /s/robot/human
L399[04:09:18] <OmegaCenti> we are a
collection of tiny tiny attachments
L400[04:09:22] <OmegaCenti> cell
theory
L401[04:09:27] <Sandra> mmm hmm.
L402[04:09:31] <snowden89> cell
theory?
L403[04:09:37] <OmegaCenti> biology
101
L404[04:09:37] *
snowden89 googles
L405[04:09:44] <Sandra> (are cells a
theory?)
L406[04:09:58] <Kimiro> OmegaCenti: I'm
looking into this hypervisor thing and, while it's really neat...
It just seems to be more like turning components on and off as
needed rather than actually changing them in any fundamental way.
It doesn't... 'Evolve' the hardware so much as reconfigure it based
on demand.
L407[04:09:59] <OmegaCenti> points out
gravity is a theory
L408[04:10:20] <OmegaCenti> Kimiro, it
blows internal fuses to change pathways, wrong hypervisor
L409[04:10:42] <Kimiro> That, uhh...
Doesn't sound sustainable. :F
L410[04:10:52] <OmegaCenti> the are
refuseable with enough current
L411[04:11:08] <Kimiro> Heh.
L412[04:11:31] <Kimiro> So's a human
brain.
L413[04:12:06] <OmegaCenti> which,
according to original argument, affirms in our establishement
L414[04:12:14] <OmegaCenti> both modify,
both can
L415[04:12:17] <Sandra> OmegaCenti, oh ok,
I suppose so.
L416[04:12:26] <Sandra> yeah, it's a
theory.
L417[04:12:51] <OmegaCenti> the colloquial
use of theory is not a good one
L418[04:13:04] <Sandra> we don't have
direct observations of it so yeah.
L419[04:13:06] <OmegaCenti> theory is just
matching our observations with how "nature do."
L420[04:13:58] <g> Today on
"OpenComputers: IRC Adventures", #oc is debating whether
brains and computers are operationally similar, and whether AI will
ever be able to "feel"
L421[04:14:15] <Sandra> a scientific
"theory" is an explanation for a natural phenomena.
L422[04:14:27] <OmegaCenti> depends, if I
hold it's mother-toaster hostage, will it finally crack the wifi
password?
L423[04:14:33] <Kimiro> Though honestly,
even if it is re-fusable, how many cycles can a single fuse handle?
(Not for the sake of argument, just more technical curiosity at
this point.)
L424[04:14:42] <Sandra> it typically has
observations and other evidence to it.
L425[04:14:53] <Sandra> but it is NOT a
direct observation.
L426[04:15:33] <Sandra> observations are
truths.
L427[04:15:33] <OmegaCenti> observational
based science does not hold the "king of the hill" on
variable science
L428[04:16:08] <Sandra> OmegaCenti,
?
L429[04:16:35] <Sandra> laws are objective
truths of nature.
L430[04:16:45] <OmegaCenti> observation vs
inference
L431[04:16:50] <Sandra> yeah.
L432[04:17:06] <Sandra> observations are
what happened.
L433[04:17:22] <Sandra> inference is
logical deductions from the observation.
L434[04:17:35] <Sandra> s/what
happened/what we saw happened/
L435[04:17:35] <MichiBot> <Sandra>
observations are what we saw happened.
L436[04:17:42] <Sandra> s/what
happened/what we saw happen/
L437[04:17:43] <MichiBot> <Sandra>
observations are what we saw happen.
L438[04:17:50] <OmegaCenti> for a long
time we REALLY couldn't observe that relativity was thing, but we
had mathematical proofs that kind of insisted on it being a
thing
L439[04:18:08] <OmegaCenti> now we have
observations of it being a thing
L440[04:18:19] <Kimiro> Heh... One thing
humans have always been worse at computers at. Being
objective.
L441[04:18:22] <Sandra> mathematical
proofs?
L442[04:18:32] <Sandra> of something in
science?
L443[04:18:47] <Sandra> of a theory?
L444[04:18:48] <OmegaCenti> Lorentz
transformations
L445[04:19:02] <OmegaCenti> time dilation,
length contraction
L446[04:19:19] <OmegaCenti> mass energy
equivalence
L447[04:19:31] <OmegaCenti> which turns
out to be overwhelmingly true "youtube atom bomb"
L448[04:19:38] <Sandra> yes.
L449[04:19:55] <OmegaCenti> we made
inferences to the existance of relativity
L450[04:20:01] <OmegaCenti> the theory was
still extremely rebust
L451[04:20:05] <OmegaCenti> robust
L452[04:20:12] <Kimiro>
s/time/cervical/
L453[04:20:12] <MichiBot>
<OmegaCenti> cervical dilation, length contraction
L454[04:20:14] <Sandra> of course!
scientific theories generally are.
L455[04:20:18] <OmegaCenti> O.O
L456[04:20:25] <Sandra> ...
L457[04:20:45] <snowden89> welp
L458[04:20:55] <snowden89> i was confused
how we went from AI, robots
L459[04:20:59] <snowden89> to cervical
dilation
L460[04:21:03] <snowden89> in a single
coffee break
L461[04:21:17] <OmegaCenti> chaos theory
might have a word about this
L462[04:21:22] <Sandra> well we moved into
scientific theory.
L463[04:21:27] <OmegaCenti> given initial
inputs, widly different outputs
L464[04:21:29] <snowden89> oh yeah
L465[04:21:33] <snowden89> from cell
theory
L466[04:21:38] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti: You
don't call it a mathematical proof though. A scientific theory that
holds the truth of (a) different theory(s) as axiom(s) is just a
theory.
L467[04:21:41] <snowden89> just wikipedia
articles it
L468[04:21:53] <Sandra> ^
L469[04:22:01] <snowden89> articled*
L470[04:22:01] <Sandra> to kittykath's
thing.
L471[04:22:19] <OmegaCenti> it was
initially mathmatically proven, and certain conditions (such as the
orbit of mercury) were tested against this proof, and it evolved
into a theory
L472[04:22:20] *
Kimiro toasts to KittyKath's penis
L473[04:22:31] <Kimiro> Wait.
L474[04:22:33] <Kimiro> Ignore that.
L475[04:22:35] <Sandra> wait what?
L476[04:22:36] <Kimiro> I got
confused.
L477[04:22:40] <OmegaCenti> mercury's
orbit doesn't make sense without relativity
L478[04:22:52] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti: Or
- to phrase if differently: Give me a scientific theory that can
exist on itself without an axiom.
L479[04:22:53] <Sandra> OmegaCenti, still
not a proof.
L480[04:23:02] <OmegaCenti> it was
initially a proof. yes.
L481[04:23:17] <OmegaCenti> thoroughly
proved on a piece of paper as a mathmatical construct i.e. a
proof
L482[04:23:23] <KittyKath> No, it is not
called a proof in science. Maths has proofs, science has just
theories.
L483[04:23:34] <Sandra> KittyKath,
admittedly there is nothing in maths that can exist on itself
without an axiom.
L484[04:23:44] <Sandra> except axioms
themselves.
L485[04:23:54] <OmegaCenti> theory -
requires nature. proof - mathmatical construct
L486[04:24:09] <Sandra> it's still not a
proof though.
L487[04:24:10] <OmegaCenti> both are
present in my example on it existing in paper first. then
mercurty
L488[04:24:20] <Sandra> if it's based on a
scientific theory it's a theory.,
L489[04:24:21] <KittyKath> Sandra: A ≡ B
thus ¬A ≡ ¬B
L490[04:24:31] <Sandra> KittyKath, is an
axiom.
L491[04:24:31] <Kimiro> Heh.
L492[04:24:45] <KittyKath> Sandra: As much
as any other mathematical proof, yes.
L493[04:25:00] <Kimiro> Everything falls
back to the same axiom in the end though.
L494[04:25:17] <Kimiro> The assumption
that, to the best of ones ability, no mistake has been made.
L496[04:26:06] <Sandra> a mathematical
theorem is a logical deduction from a set of axioms.
L497[04:26:21] <Sandra> a theorem can have
1 or more proofs.
L498[04:26:25] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti: You
are actively being ignorant right now, sorry.
L499[04:27:13] <Sandra> yes, theories can
be axioms.....
L500[04:27:15] <Sandra> so what?
L501[04:27:20] <OmegaCenti> disagree, and
would like to point out to stay on the argument, not the
person
L502[04:27:33] <KittyKath> A scientific
theory is a different concept from a mathematical proof. They are
dependent in some ways, but they are not the same and can not be
used interchangably OmegaCenti .
L503[04:27:34] <Sandra> an
"axiom" is just something that is assumed true.
L504[04:27:50] <OmegaCenti> they are not,
but one can follow from the other
L505[04:27:56] <Kimiro> ^^ QFT
L506[04:28:10] <OmegaCenti> I never
implied or explicitly stated that they are interchangeable
L507[04:28:41] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti: You
can not mathematically proof a theory. You can use a theory as
axiom of a different theory via transformation but the mathematical
proof is that the transformation itself is correct, not the
theories.
L508[04:28:50] <Sandra> OmegaCenti, if a
theory is used as an axiom then.... whatever is proved from it is
still a theory.
L509[04:29:40] <Sandra> and besides, the
term "proof" means truth.
L510[04:29:42] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti,
furthermore relativity is not only not proved mathematically, it is
much rather proved to be incorrect.
L511[04:29:58] <OmegaCenti> what.
L512[04:30:21] <OmegaCenti> Okay, tell
that to our GPS, and I am done.
L513[04:30:36] <OmegaCenti> Tell that to
our detection of gravitational waves, and I am done.
L514[04:30:44] <OmegaCenti> tell that to
our atomic clocks circling the globe, and I am done.
L515[04:30:52] <KittyKath> Relativity
neither applies to quantum structures nor singularities nor
extremities. Quantum theory and the Unified Field theories come to
different conclusions than relativity given the same problem.
L516[04:30:58] <KittyKath> It is PHYSICS,
not MATHEMATICS.
L517[04:31:02] <Sandra> yes.
L518[04:31:06] <KittyKath> An
APPROXIMATION, not a RULE.
L519[04:31:16] *
Kimiro sighs
L520[04:31:24] <OmegaCenti> okay, shouting
doesn't change it. and I recuse myself from this argument. don't
care for the heated change
L521[04:31:38] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti: I
wasn't shouting, I wanted to highlight.
L522[04:32:02] <OmegaCenti> *I am just
highlighting my text*
L523[04:32:06] <Sandra> circling back to
the original argument, approximations are the lifeblood of
neurons.
L524[04:32:34] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti:
Refrain from attacking the person and attack the argument. Our
communications differ but the Idea was transfered.
L525[04:32:36] <Sandra> neurons are like
"if it's in this range I say yes."
L526[04:32:48] <Kimiro> To quote my
physics teacher on the subject: "An axiom is the foundation on
which a theory is built; it is the assumption that the observations
made are correct, that the math is accurate and the margin of error
hasn't swallowed the significance of either."
L527[04:32:48] <Sandra> Ad Hominem!
L528[04:33:21] <snowden89> (unrelated but
is this customer fucking with me... ) this window keeps pausing and
unpausing
L529[04:34:10] <Sandra> huh... "For
most planets, the Newtonian model's predictions are accurate; for
Mercury, it is slightly inaccurate and the model of general
relativity must be used instead."
L530[04:34:30] <Sandra> it's true.
L531[04:34:35] <Sandra> they're both
/models/.
L532[04:34:37] <OmegaCenti> it really
irked astronomers for a long time
L533[04:35:14] <Kimiro> Heh.
L534[04:35:19] <Sandra> models are
approximate representations of the truth. as are theories.
L535[04:35:43] <Sandra> as much as we wish
it was, nature is kinda complicated.
L536[04:35:52] <Sandra>
s/was/wasn't/
L537[04:35:52] <MichiBot> <Sandra>
as much as we wish it wasn't, nature is kinda complicated.
L538[04:36:32] <Sandra> we make models to
allow us to predict what is happening in a way that makes sense to
our tiny human brains.
L539[04:37:18] <g> Nature is complicated.
But still pretty neat.
L540[04:37:18] <Kimiro> Sandra: Folding
back to earlier, human brains are a product of that complicated
nature - it is the sum output of a massively parallel genetic
algorithm. :)
L541[04:37:29] <g> Like how dogs and
humans have evolved to understand each other in some ways
L542[04:37:36] <snowden89> i resent that
compared to most in this room my brain is miniscule not tiny.
L543[04:37:52] <Sandra> yeah.
L544[04:38:08] <Sandra> wait what?
L545[04:38:32] <snowden89> well after
listening to these theories and discussions
L546[04:38:43] <snowden89> i now feel
exceedingly uneducated
L547[04:38:56] <snowden89> a simple
peasent among scholars
L548[04:38:57] <g> well, the more you
learn, the less you know
L549[04:39:12] <Kimiro> snowden89: The
first step to knowing anything is knowing that you know nothing,
Jon Snow.
L550[04:39:31] <Sandra> "...it is
incorrect to speak of an assumption as either true or false, since
there is no way of proving it to be either (If there were, it would
no longer be an assumption). It is better to consider assumptions
as either useful or useless, depending on whether deductions made
from them corresponded to reality...Since we must start somewhere,
we must have assumptions, but at least let us have as few
assumptions as possible." - isaac asimov
L551[04:40:24] <Kimiro> Heh. Sandra:
Still, no matter the discussion, you always can trace it back to
the Universal Axiom. :P
L552[04:40:34] <Sandra> yep.
L553[04:41:11] <KittyKath> snowden89:
You're looking at the situation in the wrong way. Everybody see's
their knowledge as given. So if you were to talk about something
you know well other people would see themselves as uneducated.
Knowledge of a specific topic is measurable, Knowledge in general
or - god forbid - wisdom not so much.
L554[04:41:36] <Kimiro> ... Mental note:
KittyKath is a wizard, not a cleric.
L555[04:42:13] <snowden89> wait. Kimiro,
are you reading a meme story,
L556[04:42:22] <snowden89> penis,
wizard
L557[04:42:26] <snowden89> i am seeing a
theme
L558[04:42:30] <KittyKath> snowden89:
Furthermore - everybody in this discussion know's themselv to be
uneducated. You know more how much you do not know than things you
actually know.
L559[04:42:51] <OmegaCenti> I know almost
nothing about programming, and have received immense help from this
channel
L560[04:43:05] <OmegaCenti> I was happy I
figured out how an if then else-if else statement worked
L561[04:43:21] <snowden89> i know enough
syntax to understand somethings
L562[04:43:29] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti: I
myself know barely anything about programming. Or physics or maths
for that matter.
L563[04:43:31] <snowden89> in regards to
source
L564[04:43:32] <snowden89> :P
L565[04:43:35] <Kimiro> "I have
approximate knowledge of many things."
L566[04:44:10] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti:
Still I am regarded as "expert" (of varying degrees) in
all three.
L567[04:44:16] <Kimiro> Also, snowden89:
Meme story? Theme?
L568[04:44:22] <Sandra> yeah, I know
basically nothing about all my stuff.
L569[04:44:37] <OmegaCenti> I remember
spending an hour hunting down why this if statement wasn't
traversed in my if statement, only to find out an errant keystroke
had paste-overwritten and to a=(some other line I forget)
L570[04:44:41] <snowden89> wizards hat,
penis, old man
L571[04:44:41] <OmegaCenti> I blinked for
a bit
L572[04:44:47] ⇦
Quits: Keanu73 (~Keanu73@host-78-148-140-244.as13285.net) (Quit:
Gotta go to bed or something. See ya!)
L573[04:45:09] <KittyKath> snowden89:
Eww.
L574[04:45:19] <Sandra> The majority of
stuff I know about science is about science itself.
L575[04:45:31] <Sandra> as opposed to any
explanations of nature.
L576[04:46:27] <Kimiro> Sandra: The
philosophy of science.
L577[04:46:44] <g> known unknowns
L578[04:47:49] <Forecaster> unbooped
boops
L579[04:47:55] *
Kimiro boops Forecaster
L580[04:48:06] <Forecaster> yay
L581[04:48:09] <Kimiro> :3
L582[04:48:12] <Sandra> Kimiro,
yeah.
L583[04:48:16] <OmegaCenti> I understand
we disagree about math, proof, science, and their relationships.
but many "pure" sciences deal heavily with mathmatical
proofs. just going to point out Computational Science, Applied
Mathmatics, topology to name a few.
L584[04:48:17] <Kimiro> We're married now,
Forecaster.
L585[04:48:41] <OmegaCenti> and they also
deal heavily with the relationships between mathmatical proofs and
scientific theories.
L586[04:48:52] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti: I
was very specifically concentrating on Physical theories. Which are
not rooted in Maths but in Nature.
L587[04:48:57] <OmegaCenti> I was
not.
L588[04:48:57] <Sandra> OmegaCenti,
yeah.
L589[04:49:01] <Lizzy> Morning all
L590[04:49:15] *
Forecaster boops Lizzy
L591[04:49:19] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti:
Well it was an interesting discussion nonetheless ^.^
L592[04:49:27] <Kimiro> Forecaster: You
harlot! D:
L593[04:49:42] *
Lizzy booped
L594[04:50:04] <Sandra> After all, there
/are/ some sort of equations governing our universe.
L595[04:50:12] <Sandra> we just don't know
them.
L596[04:50:21] <Sandra> so we must
approximate them.
L597[04:50:37] <Forecaster> Kimiro: oh,
sorry, I missed the ping
L598[04:50:39] <Forecaster> ^^
L599[04:51:15] *
Kimiro grumps
L600[04:51:21] <Kimiro> I'm divorcing you,
Forecaster.
L601[04:52:15] <Forecaster> ohno D:
L602[04:53:12] <Forecaster> but it didn't
mean anything D:
L603[04:53:25] <Forecaster> (also I didn't
know I was married at the time)
L604[04:53:53] <OmegaCenti> Forecaster,
your help was instrumental in saving me mental anguish with
erroring scripts. sincerely thank you for that :)
L605[04:54:07] <OmegaCenti> and gamax92
who awesomely wrote an ASM patch for components
L606[04:54:42] <OmegaCenti> can't get over
that. "oh problem? I can fix that."
L607[04:54:46] <Forecaster> I'll accept
random praise, sure :P
L608[04:55:01] <OmegaCenti> hah definitely
not random, just sitting here watching my working Extractor
L609[04:56:12] *
Kimiro gives Forecaster the ring and dress back, but keeps the
collection of bobble heads and the cat.
L610[04:56:28] <Forecaster> not the bobble
heads D:
L611[04:56:45] <OmegaCenti> which reminds
me, I have yet to load up fallout 4 since the big update
L612[04:56:50] *
Kimiro leaves Deadpool to keep Forecaster company
L613[04:57:39] <Izaya> okay, my site now
returns sanely for pages that don't exist on the blog
L615[04:58:02] <Izaya> maybe I should make
it return a 404
L617[04:59:23] <Izaya> okay there is no
way on hell that anyone's workflow depended on my blog returning a
mostly empty page
L618[04:59:44] <OmegaCenti> hehehehe
L619[05:00:33] <Izaya> okay it now returns
a 404
L620[05:00:45] <Izaya> my 404 best
404
L621[05:03:56] <OmegaCenti> Welp. I never
thought about it... Why did jack and jill go UP a hill to fetch a
pail of water? have you ever traveled up a hill to a large body of
water? (ignore N([etherlands]?)ew Orleans)
https://xkcd.com/1662/
L622[05:04:20] <OmegaCenti> somewhere, a
pipe is crying.
L623[05:04:56] <Kimiro> OmegaCenti: I can
only think of one case where one would have to go up hill to fetch
water, and that would be if the aquifer below grade caused the
ground to heave up relative to the surroundings.
L624[05:05:13] *
Forecaster excludes Netherlands and New Orleans from all future
searches
L625[05:05:43] *
Kimiro excludes Forecaster, the cheating harlot, from all future
brunch invitations.
L627[05:06:44] <OmegaCenti> but now I want
pizza
L628[05:06:52] <OmegaCenti> this is
unfortunate at 5 in the morning
L629[05:13:24] <Forecaster> pizzas are
never unfortunate D:<
L630[05:15:21] <OmegaCenti> they are when
you don't have one!
L631[05:15:53] *
Kimiro consumes all the pizza !_!
L632[05:16:45] <Forecaster> Thou shalt not
covet your fellow mans pizza
L633[05:17:46] <OmegaCenti> I am coveting
so hard right now!
L634[05:17:56] <Forecaster> noooo
L635[05:18:06] <OmegaCenti> Anybody know
of a way to rebind a hardware key in linux?
L636[05:18:13] <OmegaCenti> ESC key is
dead
L637[05:19:05] <Forecaster> no idea
L638[05:19:25] <greaser|q> OmegaCenti:
xmodmap perhaps?
L639[05:19:53] <OmegaCenti> will google
this, thanks for another possbible google query that wont be eaten
by SEO :D
L640[05:20:11] <Forecaster> SEO?
L641[05:20:23] <OmegaCenti> search engine
optimization, "I want to sell you something"
L642[05:20:44] <Forecaster> ah, right
:P
L643[05:21:21] <OmegaCenti> Hmm, looks
like it is X server dependant, need it on virtual console :/
L644[05:22:46] <greaser|q> all i can
really think of at this point is modifying the driver and
rebuilding your kernel
L645[05:22:57] <greaser|q> although there
might be some keymap files you can change
L646[05:23:25] <greaser|q> aha: loadkeys,
dumpkeys
L647[05:23:38] <OmegaCenti> ah well, it 13
days my new keyboard is arriving from hong kong
L648[05:30:33] <Forecaster> how come
you're getting a keyboard from hong kong?
L649[05:31:13] <OmegaCenti> only place I
could find a laptop keyboard for an ancient L655 Toshiba
laptop
L650[05:31:38] <Forecaster> oh, laptop
keyboard
L651[05:32:54] <greaser|q> mine needs a
bit of fixing up
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L654[05:41:29] <Forecaster>
hallelujah
L655[05:50:16] ***
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L656[05:52:20] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti:
ddg.gg. Strongly suggested for Programming & Linux related
queries.
L658[05:53:49] *
Forecaster is at work
L659[05:53:55] <OmegaCenti> oh my.
compartment syndrome
L660[05:54:46] <KittyKath> Inari: You know
what's really tastly looking? Cysts.
L662[05:55:23] <Inari> yummy
L663[05:55:23] <Inari> :P
L664[05:56:12] <Forecaster> at least it's
thrown away
L665[05:56:33] <Forecaster> according to a
few commenters
L666[05:57:19] <Inari> whats the name for
people who only eat chicken meat?
L667[05:58:52] <OmegaCenti> I think the
word you are looking for is "Built"
L668[05:58:52] <KittyKath> Forecaster: Of
course it is. That shit is SO not safe to eat.
L669[05:59:04] <KittyKath> Inari:
Idiots?
L670[05:59:26] <Inari> KittyKath: ?
L671[05:59:53] <KittyKath> Inari: People
that only eat chicken are idiots :P
L672[05:59:56] *
OmegaCenti wants some eggs over easy now
L673[06:01:01] <KittyKath> OmegaCenti:
Chicken periods are very healthy though :P
L674[06:01:27] <Inari> KittyKath: whys
that?
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L676[06:01:43] <Sandra> ah, the 2.8GB
usmt.ppkg file on my 32GB disk.
L677[06:01:52] <Sandra> that afaik only
contains OEM rubbish.
L678[06:02:52] <KittyKath> Inari: Chicken
meat is not really the best to consume in great quantities. Horse
or Cow meat is more healthy. (Then again meat in general is not
very healty in great quantities.) And chicken eggs are Good unless
eaten raw :P
L679[06:03:22] <Inari> wahts wrong with
eating them raw?
L680[06:03:51] <KittyKath>
Salmonella.
L681[06:04:04] <Inari> generally not an
issue, unless you do it horribly wrong
L682[06:04:22] <Inari> well
L683[06:04:25] <Inari> depending on your
countr ytoo I suppose
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L685[06:05:49] <Inari> i.e. dont wash the
eggs, throw away the egg shells, ideally keep them cooled (though
here most eggs have a "need to be cooled from
<date>" anyway
L686[06:05:51] <Inari> or so
L687[06:06:00] <Sandra> and that I also
can't delete unless in recovery mode/in another OS.
L688[06:06:02] <KittyKath> Inari:
Salmonella on eggs is always an issue no matter what country you
are in.
L689[06:06:10] <Sandra> because it's
constantly being accessed for some reason.
L690[06:06:10] <OmegaCenti> Felt a
capacitive buzz brushing against the microwave a minute ago. pull
out the multimeter, AC (RMS) 50V off the side of the casing (all
steel case) Welp... time to check the ground wiring again
L691[06:06:34] <Inari> and if you're
really worried i guess hteres always pasteurized egg
L692[06:06:46] <OmegaCenti> I cook the
egg, I clean the counters. done
L693[06:07:00] <Inari> well i doint like
hard boiled egg much xD
L694[06:07:12] <OmegaCenti> I don't
either, but I have an immune system for anything else
L695[06:07:18] <OmegaCenti> thanks little
B-Cells!
L696[06:07:27] <Inari> but yeah,
salmonella are only on the shell, if you wash them they can get
insdie the egg
L697[06:07:37] <OmegaCenti> "Hey! Its
that guy again! Get em!"
L699[06:08:29] <OmegaCenti> Glory to
Artsotska.
L700[06:08:37] <Inari> haha
L701[06:09:12] <Sandra> GLORY TO
ARTSOTSKA!
L702[06:11:13] <Kodos> Anyone know of
anything that consumes and actually uses massive amounts of
RF?
L703[06:11:16] <Inari> i still want a game
about the bodt and immune system and such stuff
L704[06:11:17] <Inari> :P
L706[06:11:25] <Sandra> Kodos, RFTools
dimensions.
L707[06:11:33] <Kodos> Anything
else?
L708[06:11:59] <Sandra> not that I can
think of.
L709[06:12:06] *
Kodos really wishes there was an RF-powered UUM
substitute
L710[06:12:28] <Sandra> I think draconic
evolution? has something that drains RF a lot but I can't
remember.
L711[06:12:59] <Sandra> Kodos, you could
always use the RF port of IC2. :P
L712[06:13:07] <Kodos> lol
L713[06:13:57] <Lizzy> anyone want me
between now and my last message?
L714[06:15:04] <Forecaster> don't think
so
L715[06:15:05] <Kodos> Basically, Sandra,
I have a source of power that produces 2.2 million RF/t, that isn't
Mekanism, and I want something to spend it on
L716[06:15:49] <Sandra> what source of
power is it?
L717[06:16:00] <Kodos>
Reactor/RotaryCraft's Turbine Generator
L718[06:16:07] <Sandra> I mean, you could
run a lot of MFR laser drills.
L719[06:16:10] <Sandra> that'd work.
L720[06:16:23] <Lizzy> Pasty time
L722[06:16:38] <Kodos> I don't have MFR,
either. I use IE's Excavator for free ore
L723[06:16:48] <Sandra> :P
L724[06:17:03] <OmegaCenti>
welll.....
L725[06:17:08] <Kodos> Actually, not in
this pack I don't
L726[06:17:10] <OmegaCenti> not reallyish
free, it is a limited resource
L727[06:17:13] <Kodos> Still adding stuff
to it
L728[06:17:15] <OmegaCenti> and you have
to find it
L729[06:17:21] <Kodos> Don't want to add
too much overlap though
L730[06:17:21] <OmegaCenti> it DOES
eventually run out
L731[06:17:40] <Sandra> i didn't realize
the reactor looked so garbage, but anyway.
L732[06:17:48] <Kodos> That's a turbine
generator
L733[06:17:59] <Kodos> The yellow gear
looking bit spins really fast when it's running
L734[06:19:14] <Sandra> the red things
(and the yellow gear and the insides) all look kiiiinda bad.
L735[06:19:29] <Sandra> imo.
L736[06:19:38] <Sandra> but y'know, to
each their own.
L737[06:20:11] *
Izaya hrms
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L739[06:20:27] <Izaya> Anyone got any idea
how to configure the second serial port on the simh Altair
emulator?
L740[06:20:33] *
KittyKath feeds Izaya Cheesecake
L741[06:21:00] ***
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L742[06:21:02] *
Izaya eats cheesecake
L743[06:21:15] <Izaya> well actually RN
I'm eating vegetables in some sort of weird cheesy sauce
L744[06:21:26] <Forecaster> mm
cheescake...
L745[06:21:35] *
Forecaster wants cheescake now >:
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L747[06:22:10] <Inari> oooh
L748[06:22:17] <Inari> military styled
lolita isnt bad either
L750[06:22:46] <Sandra> i really want to
get into some sort of low level programming.
L751[06:22:51] <Sandra> but no idea
what.
L752[06:22:58] <OmegaCenti> TIS
assembly
L753[06:23:04] <OmegaCenti> one
suggestion
L754[06:23:04] <Inari> make your own OS in
x86 asm?
L755[06:23:05] <Izaya> 6502 asm
L756[06:23:10] <Izaya> 6502 asm best
asm
L757[06:24:45] <Sandra> Inari, no.
L759[06:24:47] <Sandra> no.
L760[06:24:51] <Sandra> no i refuse.
L761[06:24:59] <Sandra> i looked at that
earlier today.
L762[06:25:02] <Izaya> ARM is also a
possibility
L763[06:25:05] <Sandra> then I thought....
"no."
L764[06:25:24] <OmegaCenti> give TIS a
try
L765[06:25:29] <Izaya> but the 6502 is
also an option
L766[06:25:30] <OmegaCenti> also there is
um, a game on steam
L767[06:25:31] <OmegaCenti> one sec
L768[06:25:33] <Sandra> OmegaCenti, I've
played a bit of TIS.
L769[06:25:45] <Sandra> it's a good game,
for sure.
L770[06:25:47] <OmegaCenti> tis-100
L771[06:25:52] <Sandra> yeah.
L772[06:26:05] <OmegaCenti> but there is
the minecraft inspiration one
L773[06:26:09] <Sandra> i know.
L774[06:26:11] <Sandra> tis3d.
L775[06:26:13] <OmegaCenti> the tis-yadda
yadda i don't remember oh
L776[06:26:14] <OmegaCenti> heh
L777[06:26:15] <OmegaCenti> yeah
that
L778[06:26:25] <Sandra> i've used that a
bit too. :P
L779[06:26:39] <OmegaCenti> could always
go discrete logic, redstone style
L780[06:26:59] <OmegaCenti> turing
complete gurantee :D
L781[06:27:13] <Sandra> god no.
L782[06:27:17] <OmegaCenti> hehehehe
L783[06:27:39] <Sandra> by "low
level" I mean low level C.
L784[06:27:44] <OmegaCenti> ah
L785[06:27:52] <Sandra> I would try some
asm.
L786[06:27:57] <OmegaCenti> just remember,
think in portal... I mean pointers
L787[06:27:57] <Izaya> FORTH
L788[06:28:04] <Sandra> but I reaaaaaaly
don't feel like that.
L789[06:28:41] <OmegaCenti> and if you
want to summon Cthulu, all you have to look at is an unassigned
variable
L790[06:29:01] <Izaya> OmegaCenti: so
algebra?
L791[06:29:13] <Izaya> I agree that
algebra = cthulhu
L793[06:30:17] <OmegaCenti> willy hears
you, c doesn't care
L794[06:30:35] <Sandra> pointers are cool
man.
L795[06:30:51] <Sandra> I did write a low
level CPU emulator in C before.
L796[06:30:59] <Sandra> twice
actually.
L797[06:31:05] <Inari> pirate loli isnt
bad either :o
L798[06:31:08] <Sandra> i lost the code to
both.
L799[06:31:42] <Sandra> I think I had a
****char in there at one point.
L800[06:32:59] <OmegaCenti> I think my
internal daylight sensor is inverted
L801[06:33:01] <Sandra> maybe I'll design
another programming language.
L802[06:33:05] <OmegaCenti> the sun is
telling me to sleep....
L803[06:33:09] <Sandra> that might be a
good idea.
L804[06:33:17] <Izaya> that happens when
you stay up too long
L805[06:33:22] <Izaya> at some point
L806[06:33:37] <OmegaCenti> "Sleep is
for the... the..."
L807[06:33:41] *
OmegaCenti Zzzzzzzz
L808[06:33:43] <Izaya> Weak?
L809[06:33:53] ***
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L810[06:47:01] <snowden89> Omega|zZz, is
your name referencing anything scifi
L811[06:47:18] <snowden89> i keep thinking
Omega Centi xxxx something
L812[06:47:20] <snowden89> in my
mind
L813[06:47:44] <snowden89> anyway
highlight me when you get back
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L818[07:12:18] <Izaya> >boot windows to
play Space Engineers
L819[07:12:25] <Izaya> >space engineers
needs a Windows Update
L820[07:12:43] <Izaya> >I disabled
Windows Update quite a while ago and can't remember how to
re-enable it
L821[07:12:51] <Izaya> welp, guess I'm
finding the patch it wants myself >.>
L822[07:22:18] <Sandra> Izaya,
settings->system->windows update->enable?
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L825[07:27:24] <Sandra> y'know what I
love? gradle, and it's love of 5 minute long times to get things
running.
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L828[07:30:03] <LuMistry> Greetings
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L831[07:37:12] <Mimiru> Ok, you guys get
to help me decide if I go to work today, or stay home...
L832[07:37:34] <Mimiru> Today is my usual
day off, and I feel like total shit
L833[07:37:53] <MajGenRelativity> Mimiru,
what feels wrong?
L834[07:38:15] <Mimiru> Well, I'm sick for
one, and the reason I was off for 3 days this week is hurting like
a mother fucker
L835[07:38:52] <MajGenRelativity> ah,
that's not fun
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L837[07:39:34] <LuMistry> lel
L838[07:39:44] <LuMistry> he quit
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L841[07:40:10] <LuMistry> Mimiru, I would
recommend staying home if you don't feel well
L842[07:40:23] <MajGenRelativity> I
died
L843[07:40:29] <MajGenRelativity> Anyways,
I second LuMistry
L844[07:40:36] <bauen1> me too
L845[07:42:24] <MajGenRelativity> %seen
lperkins2
L846[07:42:26] <MichiBot>
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L847[07:42:30] <MajGenRelativity> %seen
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L859[08:21:03] <Izaya> Sandra: why would I
do that?
L860[08:21:18] <Izaya> that and I actually
went into Windows files and screwed with a bunch of it
L861[08:21:28] <Izaya> anyway I'd prefer
not to have Windows Update enabled
L862[08:22:00] <Sandra> Izaya, probably
because windows update is helpful to enable.
L863[08:22:08] <Izaya> Not really.
L864[08:22:09] <Sandra> but anyway.
L865[08:22:14] <Izaya> I'd prefer to stay
on Windows 7
L866[08:22:22] <Izaya> Not a fan of forced
updates to malware
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L869[08:24:26] <vifino> Need
brai--Lizzy... z.z
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L872[08:27:51] <Cruor> Izaya: no no no,
you install it so you dont have to manually mess with updates
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L874[08:27:58] <Cruor> like, install it on
your servers
L875[08:28:05] <Cruor> so you dont have to
update them yourself
L876[08:28:11] <Cruor> :⁾
L877[08:28:22] <Izaya> but like any sane
person I don't use Windows on my servers?
L878[08:28:39] <Cruor> tell that to our
work peeps >_>
L879[08:28:48] <Izaya> yeah tell me about
it
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L881[08:29:01] <Izaya> to be fair Windows
is a decent domain controller
L882[08:29:15] <vifino> samba ad op
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L894[09:14:42] *
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L899[09:24:28] <Saphire> halp Q_Q
L900[09:27:25] <Skye> Saphire: what's
wrong?
L901[09:27:34] <Saphire> FONTS
L902[09:27:43] *
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L903[09:28:07] <Saphire> GTK is _ugly_
o.o
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L906[09:29:47] <Skye> Fonts on Linux are
painful
L907[09:30:23] *
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L908[09:30:26] <Saphire> GTK
L909[09:30:28] <Saphire> y
L910[09:30:30] <Saphire> y u do dis
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L916[09:58:15] <Sangar> o/
L917[09:58:29] <Lizzy> \o
L919[10:00:09] <Saphire> \o
L920[10:02:59] <vifino> o/
L922[10:03:28] <Hyst> are we dancing or
waving
L924[10:03:48] <Hyst> i used to think o/
was a cyclops ":/"
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L926[10:03:55] <g> Cannot unsee
L927[10:06:49] *
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L940[10:55:15] <vifino> Do you need
it?
L941[10:55:20] <vifino> Do you want
it?
L942[10:58:05] <Skye> vifino, need no,
want... well... it looks pretty cool.
L943[10:58:32] <Lizzy> Ffs *goes to remove
vifino highlight*
L944[10:58:41] <vifino> :3
L945[10:59:46] <Stary2001> hahaha
L946[11:00:08] <Lizzy> There, removed it
from my highlights
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L948[11:05:48] <payonel> i only spent like
30 minutes on OpenOS last night. :(
L949[11:06:02] <payonel> but i got command
substitution working!
L950[11:06:04] <payonel> it's really
cool
L951[11:06:13] <payonel> but it deserves
cleaning up stdout vs stderr
L952[11:06:52] <payonel> anywho, you can
do this now
L953[11:07:24] <payonel> echo "your
current directory is `pwd`"
L954[11:08:14] <payonel> or: set
my_script_result=`./my_script`
L955[11:08:16] <payonel> etc
L956[11:15:14] <Saphire> Lizzy: hey
L957[11:15:18] <Saphire> lalli is
dead
L959[11:15:29] <Saphire> my rpi
L960[11:15:35] <Lizzy> Ah, okay
L961[11:15:59] *
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folder
L962[11:16:11] <Saphire> Uh, IRC?
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L964[11:17:38] <Lizzy> I know
L965[11:22:20] <vifino> S3: also, i need
to know how big the antenna is, i cant have much of an antenna
here
L966[11:25:39] <Lizzy> The po-po are on
the train
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L968[11:26:20] <CyberTurd> holla
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L971[11:26:45] <vifino> oh, great, two
shits.
L972[11:27:00] <Lizzy> Lol
L973[11:27:21] <CyberTurd> lizzy can you
skype me please
L974[11:27:22] *
Lizzy flushes CyberTurd down the toilet
L975[11:27:23] <CyberTurd> xD
L976[11:27:38] <Lizzy> CyberTurd: err,
lemme see if my phone has ot
L977[11:27:42] <Lizzy> *it
L978[11:27:48] <CyberTurd> okay
L979[11:28:13] <Lizzy> Nope, it doesn't
have Skype
L980[11:28:31] <Lizzy> Is it urgent? I
should be home in about an hour
L981[11:28:42] <CyberTurd> no not
urgent
L982[11:28:47] <Lizzy> Okay
L983[11:29:01] <CyberTurd> just being
fucked over by NVidia drivers
L984[11:30:47] <CyberTurd> does anyone
know why the nvidia geforce experience wont install
L985[11:33:50] <CyberTurd> ?
L986[11:34:40] *
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L987[11:35:15] <Lizzy> CyberTurd: did you
reboot?
L988[11:35:30] <Lizzy> Wait, I worded that
wrong
L989[11:35:46] <Lizzy> Have you tried
turning it off and on again?
L990[11:35:46] <CyberTurd> yes
L991[11:35:57] <Skye> %+ Lizzy
L992[11:36:08] <CyberTurd> ill send you a
picture in skype
L993[11:36:08] <Skye> %ping
L994[11:36:10] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Skye 1.12s
L995[11:36:21] *
Skye shrugs
L996[11:36:37] <Mimiru> Skye, %+ what you
need a number :p
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L1000[11:36:57] <Skye> %+ 1 Lizzy
L1001[11:37:02] <vifino> %+1 Lizzy
L1002[11:37:04] <MichiBot> vifino: Lizzy
now has 9223372036854773760 points
L1003[11:37:11] <Skye> ah
L1004[11:37:41] <Skye> I wonder how many
bits the number is
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L1006[11:37:56] <Skye> Mimiru, how do I
get the count of points
L1007[11:38:01] <Mimiru> It's a Java
long
L1008[11:38:09] <Mimiru> %points
L1009[11:38:11] <MichiBot> Mimiru:
Michiyo has 9223372036854774784 points
L1010[11:38:12] <Mimiru> gets yours
L1011[11:38:15] <Skye> %points
L1012[11:38:16] <MichiBot> Skye: skyem123
has 0 points
L1013[11:38:18] <Mimiru> %points
Lizzy
L1014[11:38:18] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Lizzy
has 9223372036854773760 points
L1015[11:38:21] <Mimiru> gets
others
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L1017[11:38:42] <Mimiru> I have plans to
switch it to bigint, but that means rewriting a large chunk of
it
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L1022[11:41:14] <Skye>
%+18446744073709551615 Skye
L1023[11:41:15] <MichiBot> Skye: You can
not give yourself points.
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L1025[11:42:38] <Skye> can someone give
me that amount of points, I'm doing experimetns with signed
numbers. :P
L1026[11:42:46] <Mimiru>
%+18446744073709551615 Skye
L1027[11:42:47] <MichiBot> Mimiru: An
error occurred while processing this command
L1028[11:43:15] <Mimiru> Too big
L1029[11:43:28] <Skye> it's -1 for a
long
L1030[11:43:31] <Skye> hm
L1031[11:43:47] <Skye> add
18446744073709551616
L1032[11:43:59] <Skye> or is it stopped
some other way
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L1034[11:44:05] <Skye> because I have no
idea how the code works
L1035[11:44:06] <Mimiru>
%+18446744073709551616 Skye
L1036[11:44:08] <MichiBot> Mimiru: An
error occurred while processing this command
L1037[11:44:11] <Skye> aww
L1038[11:44:18] <Skye> so you can't
subtract
L1039[11:44:25] <Skye> wait...
uh...
L1040[11:44:28] <Mimiru> No, you have to
just overflow
L1041[11:44:37] <Mimiru> Long.MAX_VALUE
is 9,223,372,036,854,775,807
L1042[11:44:51] <Mimiru> +1 of that
overflows to -9,223,372,036,854,775,807
L1043[11:44:57] <Mimiru> or close anyway
:P
L1044[11:45:15] <Mimiru>
-9,223,372,036,854,775,808*
L1045[11:45:24] <Skye> wut
L1046[11:45:40] <Skye> oh..
L1047[11:45:41] <Skye> hm
L1048[11:45:57] <Skye> more complex than
I thought
L1049[11:46:00] <Mimiru> Long's range is
-9,223,372,036,854,775,808 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807
L1050[11:46:13] <Skye> ah
L1051[11:46:32] <Skye> can you add
9,223,372,036,854,775,807 to me, then add one? :P
L1052[11:47:07] <Mimiru>
%+9223372036854775807 Skye
L1053[11:47:07] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Skye
now has 9223372036854775807 points
L1054[11:49:39] <Forecaster> +1
L1055[11:49:39] <Forecaster> :D
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L1057[11:49:47] <Skye> Forecaster, %+1
Skye
L1058[11:49:51] <Mimiru> %+1 Skye
L1059[11:49:53] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Skye
now has -9223372036854775808 points
L1060[11:50:01] <Skye> yay
L1061[11:50:04] <Skye> :3
L1062[11:50:12] *
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L1065[12:06:55] <Saphire> sigh
L1066[12:07:37] <Hyst> what is up.
L1067[12:07:41] <xarses> I'm looking at
signals and they look straight forward enough to set up handlers,
but can we create new signal providers?
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L1069[12:09:08] <Forecaster> of
course
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L1072[12:11:28] <xarses> is that this
event.timer(...) or is otherwise some docs on how to ?
L1073[12:11:50] <MajGenRelativity> ~w
signals
L1075[12:12:17] <MajGenRelativity>
xarses, you can do computer.pushSignal() to make a new signal of
any type
L1076[12:12:19] <Lizzy> xarses:
computer.pushSignal
L1077[12:12:54] <MajGenRelativity>
computer.pushSignal("I am the signal type", ...) let's
you create a signal with custom type, and variable arguments
L1078[12:13:05] <xarses> ya,
component:signals doesn't help
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L1080[12:13:21] *
xarses looks at pushSignal
L1081[12:13:38] <MajGenRelativity> ~w
computer
L1083[12:13:46] <MajGenRelativity>
pushSignal should be in there xarses
L1084[12:13:52] <xarses> ya, I see it
now
L1085[12:14:10] <xarses> things aren't
grouped well sometimes, othertimes they are
L1086[12:15:00] <xarses> on the wiki, I
would have hoped to at least seen a note about this on component
signals or api event
L1087[12:15:37] <Forecaster> did you try
searching for "signals"?
L1088[12:16:00] <xarses> yes, and I
started going down the list, but wans't having luck
L1089[12:16:16] <MajGenRelativity>
Forecaster, the page on signals doesn't reference pushSignal if I
recall correctly
L1090[12:16:24] <MajGenRelativity> which
is humorous
L1091[12:17:10] <LuMistry> Signals are
guude
L1092[12:17:13] <Hyst> Where would I be
able to find the os api? I'm trying to see what exactly os.date
does to the number to learn from it.
L1093[12:17:27] <MajGenRelativity> ~w
os
L1095[12:17:34] <MajGenRelativity> ~w os
API
L1097[12:17:42] *
MajGenRelativity shrugs
L1098[12:17:49] <Hyst> I mean
L1100[12:18:18] <Kodos> You'll want
L1101[12:18:19] <Hyst> inside the
computer itself
L1102[12:18:20] <Kodos> ~w os.date
L1104[12:18:34] <Kodos> Annnnd
L1105[12:18:37] <Kodos> Let me get you
another link as well
L1106[12:18:57] <Hyst> thank you
L1107[12:19:48] <Kodos> Actually it looks
like it just uses the in-game date, starting at Jan 1 1970
L1108[12:20:10] <Hyst> So it's not
formatting os.time?
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L1110[12:20:30] <Kodos> Not afaik
L1111[12:20:33] <Hyst> alright
L1112[12:20:42] <Kodos> os.time in OC
should just be the ingame time, as well
L1113[12:20:57] <Kodos> If you need real
life time tracking, I can offer something that may help
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L1118[12:21:55] <xarses>
computer.pushSignal well isn't that well documented, I can push a
name and string,..., is this just sending the actual signal, what
about getting it to run in the background?
L1119[12:22:00] <Hyst> I'm trying to uh,
format the number of os.time so I get the current hour/minute
L1120[12:22:05] <Hyst> but I might be
able to use os.date for it
L1121[12:22:40] <MajGenRelativity>
xarses, I can give you some detailed information in about 10
minutes
L1122[12:22:48] <xarses> thanks
L1123[12:23:08] <Hyst> I am trying to use
server time, and I have um
L1124[12:24:34] <Hyst> sorry I'm having
difficulty even explaining what I want it to do.
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L1126[12:26:49] <Hyst> ~w strftime
L1128[12:26:58] <Hyst> hmm :|
L1129[12:27:12] <Hyst> google really
isn't responding, what the heck.
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L1132[12:30:49] <Forecaster> it probably
has better things to do than answering peoples queries
L1133[12:30:54] <Forecaster> :P
L1134[12:31:14] <xarses> ya, like making
robots to kill you
L1135[12:31:21] <Izaya> I managed to
break Space Engineers real hard
L1136[12:31:22] <Forecaster>
exactly
L1137[12:31:26] <Hyst> But like
L1138[12:31:33] <Izaya> gravity.... seems
to not work
L1139[12:31:34] <Hyst> I can connect to
gmail and everything
L1140[12:31:36] <Hyst> just not
google.
L1141[12:31:50] <Forecaster> I can
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L1143[12:32:04] <Forecaster> works
fine
L1144[12:32:54] <Hyst> Yeah, that's why
I'm confused.
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L1148[12:45:04] <Hyst> ok
L1149[12:45:11] <Hyst> thank you
date.lua
L1150[12:45:21] <Hyst> you gave me the
final peice of the puzzle.
L1151[12:45:26] <Lizzy> Izaya, lol?
L1152[12:45:40] <Izaya> well
actually
L1153[12:45:44] <Izaya> it seemed to be
reversed
L1154[12:45:49] <Izaya> I would cut the
power and rise
L1155[12:46:01] <Izaya> I had to hold
down C to stay on the ground in my ship
L1156[12:46:28] <Hyst> is your gravity
generator upside down
L1157[12:46:43] <Izaya> only gravity is
the planet
L1158[12:46:54] <Hyst> Huh.
L1159[12:53:37] <Skye> wooo
L1160[12:53:40] <Skye> keyboard finally
ordered
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L1172[13:14:16] <CyberTurd> what do you
guys recomend i roll my windows 10 back to? 7 or 8.1?
L1174[13:14:24] <Izaya> 7
L1175[13:14:28] <Izaya> 8.1 has a screwy
interface
L1176[13:14:44] <g> Why roll back,
CyberTurd?
L1177[13:15:00] <CyberTurd> nvidia driver
arnt working for me
L1178[13:15:09] <g> You updated it
manually?
L1179[13:15:17] <CyberTurd> i cannot
install the geforce experencie at all
L1180[13:15:26] *
Mimiru pokes her perfectly working nVidia drivers on
Win10
L1181[13:15:31] *
g pokes his too
L1182[13:16:07] <CyberTurd> according to
the NVidia fourms this is a very common problem
L1183[13:16:17] <CyberTurd> and rolling
back fixes it
L1184[13:16:22] <g> to be fair, people
having no idea what they're doing is also a common problem
L1185[13:16:28] <Mimiru>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
L1186[13:16:31] <g> if you have any
installed already, remove them entirely
L1187[13:16:35] <g> then download them
again
L1188[13:16:38] <Mimiru> damn missed it
by 3 characters.
L1189[13:16:48] <g> if the detector
doesn't work, work out what you need and grab the exact
driver
L1190[13:17:50] <CyberTurd> according to
windows uninsraller and revounistaller there is no nvidia programs
on this pc but i have used the experence before on windows 10
L1191[13:18:10] <CyberTurd> and i have
tried the exact drivers
L1192[13:18:13] <g> Well, check wherever
it installs to and see if there's an uninstaller
L1193[13:18:18] <CyberTurd> they fail to
install to
L1194[13:18:31] <CyberTurd> i have
allready done that
L1195[13:18:51] <CyberTurd> there is no
longer any nvidia related files on my pc
L1196[13:20:13] <CyberTurd> my monitor is
running a 800x600 aspect ratio as i have no drivers
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L1200[13:29:51] <Forecaster> well, that
explains it
L1201[13:35:07] <malcom2073> Haha
Jondor
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L1204[13:36:08] <Mimiru> Yeah I loled at
Jondor, and Gackass
L1205[13:38:42] <Vexatos> Mimiru, this
was awesome
L1206[13:43:10] <Lizzy> CyberTurd, try
potentially swapping your cards out so you have your old one again
and then trying to uninstall stuff
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L1242[15:36:45] *
Lizzy falls asleep on Vexatos
L1243[15:36:49] *
vifino picks up his Lizzy and carries her to bed
L1244[15:36:53] *
Lizzy wakes up then falls asleep on vifino
L1245[15:36:59] *
Vexatos wonders why
L1246[15:37:12] *
Vexatos wonders what he's got to do with any of this
L1247[15:37:15] <Forecaster> tab
completion :P
L1248[15:37:35] *
Saphire flops around
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L1250[15:42:03] *
Forecaster puts Saphire in a bowl of water
L1251[15:42:23] <vifino> THERE IS A DOOM
OPEN BETA
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L1253[15:42:25] <vifino> AAAAAAAAH
L1254[15:42:29] <Forecaster> yes
L1255[15:42:31] *
Saphire floofs, absorbing the water as result
L1256[15:42:33] <vifino> Welp, there goes
my time
L1257[15:42:38] <Saphire> huh
L1258[15:42:49] <vifino> I'll probably
spend the whole two days it runs playing it. Continuously.
L1260[15:43:51] <MichiBot>
HI BILLY
MAYS HERE FOR ASDGZBFDQSJSYFDZLKXYWQMPLYB | length:
32s
| Likes:
10331 Dislikes:
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J.T.
Sexkik
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L1264[15:49:03] <greaser|q> ok that's
glorious
L1265[15:49:21] <g> Yep \o/
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L1269[15:54:11] *
Skye hands Saphire a hair drier
L1270[15:54:26] <payonel> bill mays - one
of those legends i didn't realize was so legendary until he was no
longer around
L1271[15:54:53] <payonel> vifino: open
beta? i didn't know that! :)
L1272[15:55:06] <payonel> cool
L1273[15:55:15] <payonel> btw, i've
played some of the campaign and a boss fight
L1274[15:55:22] <payonel> it's such a
freaking awesome game
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L1281[16:11:49] <Forecaster> woo, build
server is back!
L1282[16:11:55] *
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L1289[16:36:19] <g> Does curse have some
kind of filter for up-and-coming mods?
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L1291[16:47:46] <g> so uh
L1292[16:47:51] <g> I think the MC forum
broke my browser
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L1310[18:36:44] <S3> vifino: do you like
Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone Black better?
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L1314[19:02:18] <ping> S3 yes
L1315[19:03:02] <S3> ping: ?
L1316[19:03:10] <ping> Yes
L1317[19:03:14] <S3> Well I have a
beaglebone black, they're more open and the hardware is better
imo
L1318[19:03:19] <S3> oh hi ping !
L1319[19:03:22] <S3> Haven't seen you
forever
L1320[19:03:33] <ping> XS
L1321[19:03:35] <ping> XD
L1322[19:09:42] <S3> ping: vifino and I
are going to see if we can't connect to eachother via some wifi ..
sorta
L1324[19:09:52] <S3> he's in Germany, and
I'm in Maine
L1325[19:10:13] <S3> okay, not really
wifi. something better but
L1326[19:10:23] <S3> might as well
be
L1327[19:10:32] <ping> Connect
wirelessly
L1328[19:10:44] <ping> Cross continental
wireless
L1329[19:11:23] <greaser|q> low-frequency
radio link bounced off the ionosphere?
L1330[19:11:37] <ping> XD doesn't work
m8
L1331[19:11:44] <ping> Use
satellites
L1332[19:11:49] <ping> Ezpz
L1333[19:12:01] <greaser|q> it apparently
does work at different times of the year between new zealand and
australia
L1334[19:13:11] <S3> ping: it does
work
L1335[19:13:21] <S3> and we may be using
sattelites but we may not have to
L1336[19:13:24] <ping> M8
L1337[19:13:41] <ping> I don't consider 1
BPM working
L1338[19:13:44] <S3> ping: sir, we
reached the bahamas on 5 watts of power.
L1340[19:13:59] <S3> beat that :D
L1341[19:14:05] <S3> and we have linear
amplifiers if we need em
L1342[19:14:18] <S3> and a massive set of
antennas for all purposes on the roof
L1343[19:14:27] <S3> one of which is a
YAGI that we can turn from the basement
L1344[19:14:30] <S3>
electronnically
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L1347[19:23:28] <ping> S3 .-. Expect feds
at yer door m8
L1348[19:23:38] <S3> ping: nope
L1349[19:23:42] <S3> ping: I have a
license.
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L1351[19:29:28] <ping> S3 watch out FAA
gonna destroy you
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L1358[19:55:58] <S3> ping: the FAA? Wrong
industry
L1359[19:56:41] <Mimiru> Nah, all those
Radio waves will break the airplanes!
L1361[19:57:01] <S3> we must found the
FBB
L1362[19:58:59] <Mimiru> o_O
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L1364[20:04:38] <vifino> S3: I never had
the chance to use a BBB.
L1366[20:06:35] <S3> they have one for
BBB too
L1367[20:07:01] <S3> It's a DIY kit, you
get the circuit board and a bunch of parts and you solder it all
up
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L1369[20:08:38] <vifino> Interesting.
Though I didn't think of using the Pi in the first place.
L1370[20:09:20] <S3> still needs an
external radio, but the modem is all there and known to work
:D
L1371[20:09:35] <S3> looks like it also
works fine with RTTY
L1372[20:09:39] <S3> instead of just
packet radio
L1373[20:09:48] <S3> (tty over
radio)
L1374[20:10:43] <vifino> Remember, I plan
on using an SDR cause it'll be more helpful in other projects,
too.
L1375[20:10:54] <vifino> Also, how big
would the antenna be?
L1376[20:11:03] <vifino> Cause I am
severely limited here, sadly.
L1377[20:11:36] <S3> vifino: depends on
the frequency and how much of a full wave factor you want
L1378[20:12:15] <S3> vifino: in the 160
meter band, you don't normally use fractional wavelength antennas,
you usually use full wavelength antennas
L1379[20:12:22] <S3> that means your
antenna would be 160 meters long!
L1380[20:12:36] <vifino> Uh, that would
not work.
L1381[20:12:38] <S3> but we're not using
160 meters :D
L1382[20:12:53] <S3> that band is
like..
L1384[20:13:08] <vifino> spaaace
L1385[20:13:12] <S3> hahaha
L1386[20:13:30] <S3> 40 meters (may)
work
L1387[20:14:06] <vifino> How big would
the antenna be? I don't have room for a 10 meter antenna.
L1388[20:15:01] <S3> this is the sizse of
one of the antennas we have on our club's roof
L1390[20:15:05] <S3> that's for 40
meters
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L1393[20:15:38] <S3> of course ours has
more elements
L1394[20:15:39] <vifino> I only have
space for a couple meters high.
L1395[20:15:43] <vifino> .-.
L1396[20:15:55] <S3> Why the space
limitation?
L1397[20:15:59] <CyberCrap> one anyone
have a windows 8 product key? that i could use?
L1398[20:16:22] <S3> for cross
continential projects there's no way out of it; you need something
roof mounted or a tower instead
L1399[20:16:50] <S3> otherwise there's
just no way you can get the arc over the ocean
L1400[20:17:32] <vifino> Because I live
in an apartment and the only place I could place an antenna here is
literally on the balcony. Of course I could have a
foldable/portable thing which I place somewhere on demand, but
nothing permanent, that's for sure.
L1401[20:17:53] <S3> by the way
L1402[20:17:58] <S3> ever wonder what the
earth looks like?
L1404[20:18:01] <vifino> I mean, maybe I
can talk someone into allowing me to use the roof now and
then.
L1405[20:18:21] <S3> vifino: for my
appartment I will be asking my landlord if I can install an
antenna
L1406[20:18:54] <S3> he's very lenient
and I've asked him things before
L1407[20:18:59] <vifino> Do you think he
will say yes?
L1408[20:19:01] <S3> as long as I ask he
doesn't mind
L1409[20:19:14] <S3> I've drilled holes
through the building and so forth with his permission
L1410[20:19:21] <S3> for DSL etc
L1411[20:20:49] <vifino> But yeah, it
isn't easy to place a big antenna here.
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L1413[20:22:33] <Omega|zZz> simple, just
develop milimeter accuracy and practice wave-guide
interferometry.
L1414[20:22:38] *
Omega|zZz kids
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L1416[20:23:15] <vifino> I understood
nothing of that and I'm not sure if that was intended or not.
L1418[20:24:46] <omegacenti> tiny
telescopes held at a consistent distance apart can help you
increase the resolution of ( and therefore your SNR) by a
substantial amount
L1419[20:24:52] <vifino> Anyhow, S3, if
you manage to find a way to just make it use a two meter antenna or
something, I can "easily" manage that.
L1420[20:24:54] <omegacenti> all you need
is advanced applied mathematics
L1421[20:25:05] <S3> omegacenti: you
can't do that as easily for HF
L1422[20:25:11] <vifino> As in, I'll slap
it somewhere and hope nobody complains about it.
L1423[20:25:12] <omegacenti> heh, exactly
:)
L1424[20:25:15] <S3> omega*
L1425[20:25:24] <omegacenti> hence the
"develop millimeter accuracy" bit :)
L1426[20:25:42] <omegacenti> oh, you
bumped the receiver? FFFFFFUUUU
L1427[20:26:00] <S3> vifino: the ONLY way
a 2 meter antenna will work, is if you can get a sattelite
L1428[20:26:07] <S3> and I can get to it
and repeat it
L1429[20:26:25] <S3> I may be allowed up
to 1500 watts of power
L1430[20:26:25] <vifino> Sounds cool. I
like space.
L1431[20:26:39] <S3> but using 1.5
kilowatts on 2 meters isn't going to make the FCC happy
L1432[20:26:40] <omegacenti> Nah, just
amplify signal by a few hundreds of watts and bounce it off the
ionosphere... no problem!
L1433[20:27:10] <S3> vifino: also, you do
not need a sattelite dish to send to sattelites
L1434[20:27:14] <omegacenti> but then you
must properly pray to the sun gods if you want it to work
L1435[20:27:21] <S3> you can use a rubber
ducky antenna on your handheld for that..
L1437[20:27:32] <S3> I *do* have a 2
meter capable sattelite dis
L1438[20:27:34] <vifino> Yeah, I'm
aware.
L1439[20:27:34] <S3> dish*
L1440[20:27:38] <S3> it's 10 feet in
diameter
L1441[20:27:47] <S3> (6 feet is 2
meters)
L1442[20:28:13] <vifino> Anyhow, I'mma
crash. Good night, S3. If you can make the two meter antenna only
stuff work, I'd have waaaay less trouble.
L1443[20:28:16] <vifino> o/
L1444[20:28:17] <S3> vifino: okay cool.
many people believe the dish myth
L1445[20:28:43] <S3> vifino: I think
something like 10 or 20 meter would be better if that'd work
L1446[20:29:15] <S3> 30 meters actually..
30 is data only
L1447[20:29:40] <S3> or CW
L1448[20:29:57] <vifino> actually, one
balcony has no others above it. maybe I can manage some longer
ones, need to clear it with some people.
L1449[20:30:14] <vifino> Thinking about
it, I may manage 10.
L1450[20:30:26] <vifino> Much more might
be hard.
L1451[20:30:30] <S3> vifino: you may be
able to use a half wavelength 10 meter
L1452[20:30:33] <S3> (5 meters)
L1453[20:30:47] <S3> you know what
L1454[20:30:47] <vifino> That would
almost definitly work.
L1455[20:31:45] <vifino> I may even get
into contact with my unkle and get his old radio stuff.
L1456[20:31:48] <vifino> Dunno.
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L1458[20:31:51] <S3> but you need a
beam
L1459[20:31:57] <S3> not an
omnidirectional
L1460[20:32:10] <S3> you need something
like a beam like this (this is 2 meter)(
L1462[20:32:19] <S3> but one for 30
meters or so
L1463[20:32:30] <S3> those are meant for
long distance
L1464[20:32:57] <S3> something like
this:
L1466[20:33:03] <vifino> I am pretty sure
I won't be able to have something like that.
L1467[20:33:06] <S3> (I recommend
building one)
L1468[20:33:12] <S3> that 2 meter one is
actually not very big
L1469[20:33:18] <S3> it looks bigger than
it is
L1470[20:33:28] <S3> but yeah I recommend
building them
L1471[20:33:33] <S3> you can make em out
of copper pipe or so
L1472[20:33:42] <vifino> Oh, two
meter?
L1473[20:33:48] <vifino> I can manage
that.
L1474[20:34:10] <vifino> Two meters are
not much, surely can strap that somewhere.
L1475[20:34:17] <S3> yeah but there's no
way that's going cross continental without a sattelite
L1477[20:34:25] <S3> keep in mind
L1478[20:34:28] <vifino> Aww.
L1479[20:34:32] <S3> 30 meter band != 30
meter antenna
L1480[20:34:59] <S3> you can use
fractions, like for example, many people use 1/4, 1/4 and 5/8
wavelength size
L1481[20:35:13] <vifino> I'm purely
taking about size here, not bands. No idea what band we should use,
S3.
L1482[20:37:04] <S3> if you can do 30
meters, that may be where it's at
L1483[20:37:20] <vifino> Band or
hight?
L1484[20:37:40] <S3> band
L1485[20:37:46] <S3> some people go
absolutely nuts:
L1488[20:38:29] <vifino> I just want the
hight in meters, S3 -_-
L1489[20:38:29] <S3> vifino: you may also
be able to start a club at your school and build a tower on your
roof
L1490[20:38:34] <S3> that's what happened
at one of mine
L1491[20:38:49] <S3> height? height
doesn't matter, as long as it can be suspended above your
roof
L1492[20:38:56] <S3> so it has a clear
view of the sky
L1493[20:39:01] <S3> don't worry about
trees
L1494[20:39:22] <vifino> That was my
whole worrying about. -_-
L1495[20:39:29] <S3> do worry about
mountain ranges a little
L1496[20:39:30] <vifino> Size.
L1497[20:39:42] <S3> but you can zip over
them
L1498[20:40:03] <S3> vifino: best bet is
to get permission to have an antenna mounted on the roof
L1499[20:40:13] <S3> even if you have to
have somebody else do it
L1500[20:41:27] <vifino> I am not sure if
I can do that.
L1501[20:41:42] <vifino> Anyways, I need
to go to bed.
L1502[20:41:45] <vifino> Good night,
S3.
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L1505[20:47:43] <greaser|q> TIL flies
tend to react weirdly when they're on your screen and you move the
mouse pointer
L1506[20:47:55] <greaser|q> i suspect
they try to run away from it if you move it quickly enough
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L1512[21:15:00] <S3> oh yeah! I forgot I
have gcc mips installed.
L1513[21:15:19] <S3> I need to figure out
how I can get input capture and output compare to work with OC
using it
L1514[21:15:41] <S3> greaser|q: I think
as long as I can get with interrupt time counted at least 4 samples
per redstone tick I will be fine?
L1515[21:15:52] <S3> for checking if a
redstone signal is high or low
L1516[21:15:59] <S3> or does just
checking that take a tick
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L1519[21:37:01] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Dammit now
I want a powerful radio
L1520[21:37:39] <Kodos> I just want a
base CB antenna
L1521[21:38:33] <progwml6> meh cb is
useless
L1522[21:38:48] *
progwml6 prefers ham radio i can use far more power :D
L1523[21:38:54] <Kodos> Ehh, not in my
area. Tons of people use CB here
L1524[21:38:58] <Kodos> Plus I cba to get
my Ham license
L1525[21:39:07] *
progwml6 has an extra class ham license
L1527[21:44:26] <greaser|q> S3: i think
at this stage you'd be best to poll the current time registers and
yeah you should be fine for that i think
L1528[21:46:55] <S3> greaser|q: I was
just sort of thinking I can do TTL serial by the tick with WR-CBE
with this
L1529[21:47:14] <S3> instead of my slow
2bps format
L1530[21:47:31] <S3> this would be like..
8bps
L1532[21:47:40] <S3> because 1 start bit,
1 stop bit
L1533[21:47:55] <S3> 8 data bits, and 2
ticks per redstone tick
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L1535[21:56:44] <S3> Cu vi scias kiom da
komputojn ili havas en la reto?
L1536[21:56:49] <S3> ... wrong
window
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