OCLogs: 2016-04-03.log

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L1[00:00:08] <payo-remote> :)

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L4[00:00:15] <Kodos> How the fuck do I tell Chrome to stop opening the tab I had pinned like 3 hours ago, but have unpinned every time I open chrome

L5[00:00:27] <Kodos> It seriously won't register I unpinned it

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L8[00:06:03] <snowden89> I normally put it in the corner

L9[00:06:11] <snowden89> and switch to firefox for awhile.

L10[00:06:19] <snowden89> teach it a lesson you know

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L13[00:11:43] <Saintmare> AFK

L14[00:11:52] <greaser|q> dammit, now linux thinks i don't have a valid icache

L15[00:13:39] <TheSandromatic> .ping

L16[00:13:40] <^v4> Ping reply from TheSandromatic 0.66s

L17[00:13:47] <TheSandromatic> ooh....

L18[00:14:13] <Sandra> .ping

L19[00:14:14] <^v4> Ping reply from Sandra 0.85s

L20[00:14:18] <Sandra> ahh.....

L21[00:20:35] <greaser|q> dammit linux how the fuck do you detect your instruction cache line size

L22[00:25:23] <Shuudoushi> http://i.imgur.com/UwD72zQ.jpg

L23[00:29:48] <greaser|q> ok, now it says the cache lines are 512 bytes wide

L24[00:30:29] <greaser|q> this is definitely wrong

L25[00:33:19] <Dimensional> Any information of the World Sensor card? I'm trying to figure it out, but nothing's showing on the wiki. Only thing I found was on the source, showing it's something to do with galacticraft

L26[00:33:33] <Kodos> ~w world sensor

L27[00:33:33] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:world_sensor

L28[00:34:17] <Kodos> I want to make a tablet app manager

L29[00:35:18] <greaser|q> alright, now that i have it checking if the cache line is valid, linux claims i have an icache line size of 4 bytes (incorrect) and a dcache line size of 512 bytes (VERY incorrect)

L30[00:35:48] <payo-remote> what values should they have?

L31[00:36:27] <Sandra> Kodos, oh yeah, that sounds good.

L32[00:37:19] <payo-remote> #lua math.huge<=10

L33[00:37:19] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > false

L34[00:37:26] <payo-remote> 10 is smaller than i thought

L35[00:37:56] <Izaya> .ping

L36[00:37:58] <^v4> Ping reply from Izaya 1.48s

L37[00:37:59] <Sandra> ...

L38[00:38:03] <Sandra> payo-remote, what?

L39[00:38:34] <payo-remote> nothing :)

L40[00:38:38] <Sandra> #lua math.huge

L41[00:38:39] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > inf

L42[00:40:14] <Shuudoushi> #lua math.huge =< 10

L43[00:40:15] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: unexpected symbol near '<'

L44[00:40:52] <Sandra> #lua math.huge-1000

L45[00:40:53] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > inf

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L47[00:41:05] <Sandra> inf - 1000 is still inf, good show.

L48[00:41:14] <Sandra> #lua math.huge - inf

L49[00:41:15] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value (global 'inf')

L50[00:41:24] <Sandra> #lua math.huge - math.huge

L51[00:41:24] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > -nan

L52[00:41:34] <Sandra> negative not a number.

L53[00:41:39] <Sandra> nice.

L54[00:41:50] <Shuudoushi> #lua math.huge / 0

L55[00:41:51] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > inf

L56[00:42:07] <Shuudoushi> fuck you |0xDEADBEEF|...

L57[00:42:31] <Sandra> #lua 1/0

L58[00:42:31] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > inf

L59[00:42:41] <Sandra> #lua 410/0

L60[00:42:41] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > inf

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L62[00:44:40] <greaser|q> after applying some changes... icache=4 bytes wide, dcache=512 bytes wide

L63[00:44:42] <greaser|q> fucking hell

L64[00:45:55] <greaser|q> ah right i fucked up a check, used the wrong variable to compare against the tag value

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L66[00:48:35] <greaser|q> and now it thinks the caches are empty

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L68[01:19:40] <Kodos> http://i.imgur.com/TvAaATM.jpg

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L78[02:40:21] <Vexatos> asie, random idea: Track that, instead of an electric third rail, has an OC cable running inside of it :|

L79[02:40:56] <Kodos> Hey Vex, would you be willing to look at something for me

L80[02:40:59] <Kodos> It's not Lua

L81[02:41:09] <Vexatos> :|

L82[02:41:38] <Kodos> https://github.com/PC-Logix/OpenSecurity/commit/29f8ba424f3fcf68e930657dad713f8d7c98f955

L83[02:41:47] <Kodos> Can you glance at that and see if anything stands out immediately

L84[02:41:50] <Kodos> As to why it won't work :x

L85[02:44:36] <Vexatos> what does it even do

L86[02:44:44] <Kodos> It's basically a wired networking card with an extra method

L87[02:44:54] <Kodos> That gives it a new UUID

L88[02:45:31] <Vexatos> why though

L89[02:45:34] <Vexatos> also ewwwwww

L90[02:45:37] <Vexatos> Mimiru, please

L91[02:45:39] <Vexatos> do you even OC

L92[02:45:41] <Vexatos> what

L93[02:45:42] <Vexatos> the

L94[02:45:42] <Vexatos> fish

L95[02:45:58] <Kodos> How about saying somethign productive instead of sounding like a 4chan reject

L96[02:45:59] <Vexatos> where do you even disconnect the old and reconnect the new node to the network?

L97[02:46:03] <Kodos> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

L98[02:46:11] <Kodos> Das betta doe

L99[02:46:25] <Vexatos> you just keep the old node in the network

L100[02:46:30] <Vexatos> without doing anything

L101[02:46:37] <Vexatos> what

L102[02:46:38] <Vexatos> the

L103[02:46:39] <Vexatos> ;_;

L104[02:46:49] <Kodos> You could

L105[02:46:49] <Kodos> uhh

L106[02:46:51] <Kodos> PR a fix?

L107[02:47:06] <Vexatos> why would I

L108[02:47:13] <Vexatos> as long as it doesn't work, my spoofing card is useful :3

L109[02:47:34] <Kodos> Spoof card is still useful even if it did work

L110[02:47:37] <Kodos> As you can spoof with it

L111[02:47:44] <Vexatos> I should make an addon called OpenInsecurity

L112[02:47:48] <Kodos> The UUID generated with the new card in OS would be randomized

L113[02:47:52] <bauen1> Insert the code that will disconnect the old node, just before line 31

L114[02:48:03] <Vexatos> that adds snooping or whatever

L115[02:48:16] <Kodos> Port sniffing, you mean

L116[02:48:46] <Vexatos> Kodos, http://git.io/vV4aF

L117[02:49:04] <Vexatos> something like this

L118[02:49:36] <Vexatos> always make sure to connect() and disconnect()

L119[02:50:05] <bauen1> Kodos: insert "this.node.disconnect();" @ line 31 in "src/main/java/pcl/opensecurity/drivers/SecureNetworkCardDriver.java"

L120[02:50:13] <bauen1> i think that should work

L121[02:50:23] <bauen1> maybe

L122[02:50:31] <bauen1> like 70%

L123[02:50:38] <Vexatos> ^

L124[02:50:38] <Kodos> I'm not going to add it if you A) Haven't tested and B) aren't sure

L125[02:50:52] <Vexatos> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

L126[02:50:56] <Kodos> Will just have to wait for Mimiru to do it

L127[02:51:06] <bauen1> give me 1 hour for set up everything then -.-

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L129[02:55:51] <Kodos> Why does Peter Dinklage always look like he's tired of your shit

L130[02:58:21] <bauen1> Kodos: what are the opencomputers version requirements?

L131[02:58:46] <Kodos> I -think- Mimiru was deving against 889

L132[02:59:52] <bauen1> ?

L133[03:00:41] <bauen1> like 1.5.22

L134[03:00:46] <Kodos> http://ci.cil.li/job/OpenComputers-dev-MC1.7.10/

L135[03:00:55] <Kodos> That

L136[03:01:01] <bauen1> ok

L137[03:01:02] <bauen1> thx

L138[03:01:56] <Vexatos> doesn't it auto-download? D:

L139[03:02:00] <bauen1> idk

L140[03:02:10] <bauen1> finding out now tho

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L143[03:02:41] <bauen1> So much for hitting the wrong key -.-

L144[03:16:18] <bauen1> Kodos: and just the newest forge version?

L145[03:16:30] <Kodos> Whatever recommended is

L146[03:16:33] <Kodos> 1558? I think

L147[03:16:34] <bauen1> ok

L148[03:16:43] <bauen1> yep

L149[03:16:45] <Kodos> I don't know what OS is dev'd against

L150[03:16:48] <Kodos> So that might be wrong

L151[03:17:02] <Kodos> You'd have to check the build script

L152[03:17:26] <bauen1> dont care enough

L153[03:17:54] <Kodos> You will when you break shit

L154[03:17:58] <Kodos> lol

L155[03:17:59] <Vexatos> wait

L156[03:18:03] <Vexatos> it autodownloads all that

L157[03:18:04] <Vexatos> doesn't it

L158[03:18:11] <Kodos> Fuck if I know

L159[03:18:11] <Vexatos> why would you even need to ask for the forge version

L160[03:18:15] <Vexatos> gradle is a thing, you know

L161[03:18:16] <bauen1> oops

L162[03:18:20] <Kodos> Why do you care? You don't want this fixed anyway, Vex?

L163[03:18:40] <Vexatos> just curious why you don't just ./gradlew setupDecompWorkspace

L164[03:19:17] <bauen1> *silence*

L165[03:25:47] <bauen1> somebody please tell me where all the stuff is put

L166[03:26:00] <Kodos> If you have to ask, please don't try to contribute to an addon

L167[03:26:14] <Kodos> Just my opinion

L168[03:26:14] <Kodos> But

L169[03:27:09] <bauen1> if you dont even try to fix it yourself?

L170[03:27:14] <bauen1> btw i learn fast

L171[03:27:26] <bauen1> just first time working whit gradlew

L172[03:27:31] <Kodos> I don't try because I don't know wtf I'm doing and it's also 3 AM

L173[03:27:51] <bauen1> so where does it put everything?

L174[03:28:03] <Vexatos> ...in the gradle cache of course

L175[03:28:08] * Vexatos sighs

L176[03:28:10] <Vexatos> bauen1, please

L177[03:28:12] <Vexatos> don't try

L178[03:28:16] <bauen1> what?

L179[03:28:18] <Vexatos> just wait for Mimiru to wake up

L180[03:28:28] <Vexatos> I don't want to teach you how to make a mod

L181[03:28:38] <Vexatos> because you are clearly lacking the very basics

L182[03:29:14] <bauen1> what basics should i have?

L183[03:29:28] <Vexatos> for example how to set up a freaking dev environment :|

L184[03:29:43] <bauen1> lol

L185[03:40:32] <bauen1> "No such field error: iron" in BlockOSBase

L186[03:41:00] <bauen1> did it even compile fine befor hand??

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L189[03:42:23] <bauen1> "No such field error: iron" in BlockOSBase, did it even compile fine befor hand??

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L191[03:42:34] <bauen1> well

L192[03:43:37] <bauen1> so no?

L193[03:44:47] <Kodos|Zzz> Without looking it up, tell me the difference between public and private

L194[03:44:58] <Kodos|Zzz> In the context of Java

L195[03:45:34] <bauen1> public is accesible to everything importing

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L198[03:45:46] <bauen1> private only to classes inheriting the oldone

L199[03:45:54] <bauen1> and protected only to the class itself

L200[03:46:03] <bauen1> anything more??

L201[03:46:13] <bauen1> like abstract interface class package etc?

L202[03:46:21] <Vexatos> protected is the class and all subclasses

L203[03:46:25] <Vexatos> private is only the class itself

L204[03:46:30] <bauen1> wait

L205[03:46:31] <Vexatos> nothing is anything in the same package

L206[03:46:58] <Kodos|Zzz> Yep, I'm going to sleep

L207[03:47:01] <bauen1> yep your right

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L210[04:31:54] <Vexatos> %tell gamax92 http://git.io/vV4Ky

L211[04:31:56] <MichiBot> Vexatos: gamax92 will be notified of this message when next seen.

L212[04:35:28] <Inari> lol

L213[04:35:55] <Inari> classic LuaJ

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L216[04:49:10] * Lizzy yawns and stretches

L217[04:49:32] * Lizzy snuggles vifino

L218[04:53:51] * Dimensional just had a LOT of fun working on the security keypad program. Managed to get it to do a lot of things with my configuration.

L219[04:54:00] <Dimensional> Plus it makes making trap doors easier.

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L221[04:56:18] <Izaya> Dimensional: can it drop people into lava if they put in the wrong password?

L222[04:56:24] <Izaya> or even better

L223[04:56:26] <Dimensional> Yup.

L224[04:56:26] <Izaya> out of the world?

L225[04:56:32] <Izaya> niiiiiice

L226[04:56:34] <Dimensional> Well, first yes. Second no.

L227[04:57:12] <Dimensional> What happens is if the wrong code is entered, the floor beneath you opens up as pistons pull down, then get pulled to the sides by more, making you drop down into a deep deep hole.

L228[04:57:26] <Dimensional> Could be full of lava, but then you'd lose the loot your victims drop

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L230[04:57:36] <Izaya> true, better to use spikes or similar

L231[04:57:51] <Dimensional> Downside is... The keypad can only be entered from the outside. Meaning the door can only be opened from the outside.

L232[04:58:11] <Dimensional> Trying to figure out how to combine event.pull and event.listen with a redstone button to open the door on the inside.

L233[04:58:33] <Dimensional> or, if I wanted to, I could use a debug card to teleport the person who entered the wrong code into the air.

L234[04:58:46] <Dimensional> Though I still have to figure out how the keypad recognizes who enters they code

L235[04:59:10] <Izaya> a combo of local-only chat and a spoken password would be interesting

L236[04:59:16] <Dimensional> heh

L237[05:01:14] <Izaya> could do that with a uC

L238[05:01:18] <Dimensional> Oh, I had the piston trap set up using 4 servers.

L239[05:01:19] <Dimensional> uC?

L240[05:01:27] <Inari> "Ein Titel der mit "Votiere aufwärts, wenn" beginnt, ist ein Verstoß gegen intergalaktisches Recht." reddit please stop trying to translate stuff to german

L241[05:01:28] <Inari> ;-;

L242[05:01:34] <Izaya> microcontroller

L243[05:01:39] <Dimensional> ?

L244[05:01:40] <Dimensional> hmm

L245[05:01:42] <Dimensional> How so?

L246[05:01:47] <Izaya> chat upgrade

L247[05:01:53] <Dimensional> ?

L248[05:01:56] <Izaya> could even be anything with a whitelist of people

L249[05:02:01] <Dimensional> True

L250[05:02:02] <Dimensional> Maybe

L251[05:02:03] <Izaya> Computronics chat upgrade

L252[05:02:42] <KittyKath> Inari: Knowing reddit that is not translated, people mean it that way :P

L253[05:02:54] <Dimensional> Still, the biggest issue with the security feature is the keypad is entered by right clicking each button. Doesn't load a gui to enter with. Makes it look cool without blocking a person's view, but because of that it technically makes anyone enter parts of the code at any time.

L254[05:03:08] <Inari> KittyKath: hm? XD well all of the UI is in german

L255[05:03:10] <Inari> so its probably translated

L256[05:03:11] <Dimensional> Imagine many people entering the code at once. You get a lot of folks pressing 1 at the same time.

L257[05:03:58] <KittyKath> Inari: you can adjust big parts of reddits ui per subreddit

L258[05:04:20] <Inari> its an englihs subreddit :P and /everything/ i sgerman

L259[05:05:01] <KittyKath> Oh okay. Then it might be reddit. Or google, they added a translate feature to chrome shortly after launching Google Translate

L260[05:05:19] <greaser|q> it reminds me of a post to reddit where someone was talking about how everything was in spanish and everyone was replying in spanish

L261[05:05:29] <Inari> nah chrome pops up a window for that

L262[05:05:44] <Inari> greaser|q: haha

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L267[05:24:56] <Forecaster> asie: how does the ice encoder for OC work?

L268[05:25:13] <asie> Forecaster: in what sense

L269[05:25:19] <Forecaster> how do I use it

L270[05:25:37] <asie> first compile

L271[05:25:45] <asie> then ./ice-wrapper.sh [in_video] [out_file]

L272[05:25:48] <Vexatos> (You better use Linux :3)

L273[05:25:57] <asie> on Windows

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L275[05:26:02] <Forecaster> I can make it on my server

L276[05:26:03] <asie> oh

L277[05:26:05] <asie> yeah

L278[05:26:08] <asie> but it's a bit CPU-intensive

L279[05:26:09] <asie> so watch out

L280[05:26:18] <asie> on Windows you could probably install cygwin

L281[05:26:20] <asie> and ffmpeg inside cygwin

L282[05:26:20] <Forecaster> that's fine, it's not doing anything right now

L283[05:26:24] <asie> but yeah

L284[05:26:28] <Forecaster> I have cygwin

L285[05:26:28] <asie> ./ice-wrapper.sh [in_video] [out_file]

L286[05:26:31] <Vexatos> ffmpeg is very good at multithreading

L287[05:26:31] <asie> needs ffmpeg and a compiled ice

L288[05:26:36] <Vexatos> so it'll use all your CPUs ;)

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L290[05:26:40] <asie> Vexatos: but ICE1 is not

L291[05:26:40] <greaser|q> trying to remember does ice require SSE

L292[05:26:45] <Vexatos> asie, meh

L293[05:27:01] <Forecaster> what's the install command in cygwin?

L294[05:27:08] <asie> greaser|q: no

L295[05:27:09] <asie> Forecaster: no idea

L296[05:27:09] <greaser|q> ...apparently not

L297[05:27:12] <asie> i think you need to use setup.exe

L298[05:27:14] <asie> the cygwin one

L299[05:27:19] <Izaya> 20:26:47 up 108 days, 2:38, 20 users, load average: 0.14, 0.14, 0.14

L300[05:27:21] <asie> but i haven't tested on cygwin so you're better off using your server

L301[05:27:26] <Forecaster> there's an "install"

L302[05:27:33] <asie> that's for makefile scripts

L303[05:27:35] <asie> not an actual package manager

L304[05:27:37] <asie> :)

L305[05:27:39] <Vexatos> just get ffmpeg from your server's package manager

L306[05:27:45] <Vexatos> then git clone ice

L307[05:27:51] <Vexatos> go into directory, make

L308[05:27:58] <Vexatos> oh

L309[05:27:59] <Vexatos> no

L310[05:28:07] <Vexatos> git submodule init

L311[05:28:07] <Vexatos> git submodule update

L312[05:28:10] <Vexatos> then make

L313[05:28:14] <Vexatos> then run ice-wrapper.sh

L314[05:28:14] <greaser|q> ah right the argparse shit

L315[05:28:15] <Vexatos> :P

L316[05:28:25] <Forecaster> I already have it apparently

L317[05:28:29] <Vexatos> ffmpeg?

L318[05:28:32] <Forecaster> yeah

L319[05:28:35] <Vexatos> everyone has it

L320[05:28:37] <Vexatos> it's AWESOME

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L322[05:28:50] <Vexatos> the objectively best transcoder :P

L323[05:29:05] <asie> greaser|q: not shit

L324[05:29:23] <Sandra> install is basically "cp but don't if already there" (iirc)

L325[05:30:29] <Vexatos> ice-player.lua is what you need on your OC computer

L326[05:30:34] <asie> Sandra: and with chmodding built in

L327[05:30:36] <Forecaster> it errored while running make

L328[05:30:39] <asie> Forecaster: with?

L329[05:30:42] <asie> did you run git submodule stuff

L330[05:30:52] <Sandra> asie, ahrighteo.

L331[05:30:53] <Forecaster> yes

L332[05:30:59] <asie> what's the error

L333[05:31:04] <Forecaster> http://hastebin.com/awunumeseb.avrasm

L334[05:31:13] <Vexatos> Forecaster, just FYI: You can run programs from other programs using os.execute("rm -r /")

L335[05:31:15] <Vexatos> ;)

L336[05:31:16] <asie> oh

L337[05:31:27] <asie> let me fix that

L338[05:31:30] <asie> that's because of GCC <5.0

L339[05:31:46] <Forecaster> I don't know what that means :P

L340[05:31:47] <Vexatos> asie, y u no ANSI C

L341[05:31:49] <Sandra> I've just written a bunch of bs that may or may not work.

L342[05:31:53] <Sandra> #my life

L343[05:31:58] <greaser|q> ah derp

L344[05:32:17] <greaser|q> wait hmm, that just seems to need a makefile fix

L345[05:32:24] <Sandra> many many loops /inside/ a recursive function.

L346[05:32:28] <Sandra> it's beautiful.

L347[05:32:54] <asie> Forecaster: pull now

L348[05:33:26] <asie> and make

L349[05:33:28] <Forecaster> now it made it correctly

L350[05:34:16] * vifino snuggled Lizzy for a while

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L352[05:35:42] <Forecaster> what's the correct extension for the output file?

L353[05:36:37] <Forecaster> asie: greaser|q

L354[05:36:50] <greaser|q> .ice should be fine

L355[05:36:51] <Vexatos> cir.no

L356[05:36:52] * Vexatos runs

L357[05:36:54] <greaser|q> it doesn't matter

L358[05:37:12] <Forecaster> I know, but I want to be able to see what it is :P

L359[05:37:54] <Forecaster> done

L360[05:37:55] <greaser|q> i actually don't remember to be blunt

L361[05:38:01] <Forecaster> looks like it encoded successfully

L362[05:38:12] <asie> yay

L363[05:38:13] <greaser|q> but i think it was either .ice, .icevid, or .dat

L364[05:38:29] <greaser|q> wait shit it was .bin

L365[05:38:29] <asie> it's arbitrar

L366[05:38:30] <asie> y

L367[05:38:32] <asie> i always used .raw

L368[05:38:40] <asie> well, usually

L369[05:38:41] <asie> sometimes .bin

L370[05:38:44] <Forecaster> ice will do

L371[05:38:45] <asie> yeah

L372[05:38:49] <Forecaster> it's descriptive enough

L373[05:38:53] <asie> .9 is better tho :^)

L374[05:40:09] <Vexatos> unicode file endings, asie

L375[05:40:21] <vifino> .λ

L376[05:40:50] <Forecaster> ice-palyer.lua:11 unexpected symbol near '<'

L377[05:41:03] <Vexatos> asie.⑨

L378[05:41:04] <Forecaster> (I tried running it with no arguments)

L379[05:41:27] <Vexatos> Forecaster, it requires Lua 5.3

L380[05:41:31] <Vexatos> shift right click your CPU

L381[05:41:32] <Forecaster> oh

L382[05:41:35] <Forecaster> :I

L383[05:41:35] <Vexatos> until it says so

L384[05:41:40] <Lizzy> :3

L385[05:41:41] * Forecaster replaces his cpu

L386[05:41:48] <Vexatos> not replace

L387[05:41:50] <Vexatos> just

L388[05:41:51] <Vexatos> shift click

L389[05:41:52] <Vexatos> >_>

L390[05:41:59] <Vexatos> to cycle

L391[05:42:08] <Forecaster> "replace" can mean "take out and put back in" :P

L392[05:43:18] * Lizzy replaces Vexatos

L393[05:43:43] <Vexatos> asie, so easy to remember: Ctrl+Shift*U2468 :P

L394[05:44:09] <greaser|q> ah nice

L395[05:44:13] <Forecaster> unsupported resolution crash...

L396[05:44:17] <Forecaster> guess I need a bigger screen

L397[05:44:29] <Vexatos> needs to be T3

L398[05:44:30] <greaser|q> you need a tier 3 gpu and a tier 3 screen

L399[05:44:32] <Vexatos> and T3 GPU

L400[05:44:37] <greaser|q> physical size doesn't matter

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L403[05:45:56] <Vexatos> but a 3x4 would be nice :P

L404[05:46:01] <Vexatos> 1x1 is just tiny

L405[05:46:02] <Vexatos> .-.

L406[05:46:08] <Vexatos> probably good enough .-.

L407[05:46:15] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/sWdIjQk

L408[05:46:26] <Forecaster> this happens when I try to tab-complete

L409[05:47:19] <Vexatos> are you using latest OC?

L410[05:47:39] <Vexatos> payo-remote, ^

L411[05:48:57] <Forecaster> probably not

L412[05:49:16] <Forecaster> this is 1.6.0.867

L413[05:49:42] <Vexatos> then it has probably been fixed

L414[05:50:16] <Forecaster> then this happened after I typed the command manually like some sort of savage

L415[05:50:18] <Forecaster> http://imgur.com/JMyfRYf

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L417[06:19:24] <Vexatos> asie, ^

L418[06:20:15] <asie> is the file present

L419[06:20:30] <asie> also, your version of OC is outdated

L420[06:20:31] <asie> :)

L421[06:20:37] <asie> but that's not a problem

L422[06:20:38] <asie> it's def post-BTM

L423[06:20:48] <Forecaster> oh, I reversed the words in the filename

L424[06:20:55] <Vexatos> .-.

L425[06:21:00] <asie> yaye

L426[06:21:16] <Vexatos> also probably "intro" not "into", Forecaster :P

L427[06:21:19] <Vexatos> unless I am mistaking

L428[06:21:25] <Forecaster> uh

L429[06:21:30] <Forecaster> it worked now

L430[06:21:35] <Forecaster> but it crashed partway through

L431[06:21:39] <Forecaster> "too long without yelding"

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L433[06:22:20] <asie> tier 3 CPU?

L434[06:22:24] <asie> tier 3 GPU?

L435[06:22:28] <g> that happens if you have a large loop without an os.sleep in it doesn't it?

L436[06:22:31] <asie> Lua 5.3? no natives?

L437[06:22:35] <asie> g: we have an os.sleep every frame :|

L438[06:22:40] <asie> err

L439[06:22:41] <asie> natives*?

L440[06:22:41] <Forecaster> it's a creative ACPU

L441[06:22:44] <Forecaster> T3 gpu

L442[06:22:50] <asie> use a T3 CPU and a T3 GPU

L443[06:22:52] <Forecaster> APU

L444[06:22:53] <g> that's a T3 cpu+gpu

L445[06:23:07] <Vexatos> Forecaster, a T3 APU is a GPU and CPU in one

L446[06:23:11] <Vexatos> don't need the GPU

L447[06:23:44] <Forecaster> I know

L448[06:23:47] <Forecaster> that's what I meant

L449[06:23:57] <fingercomp> a T3 CPU is a T3 CPU + a T2 GPU

L450[06:24:43] <Forecaster> you mean APU?

L451[06:24:58] <Vexatos> No

L452[06:25:05] <Vexatos> a T3 APU is a T3 CPU + T2 GPU

L453[06:25:13] <Vexatos> but a creative APU is T3 CPU + T3 GPU

L454[06:25:26] <Forecaster> still too long without yielding

L455[06:25:38] <Forecaster> there's also two white blobs in the middle

L456[06:27:30] <Forecaster> asie: ^

L457[06:27:38] <Forecaster> the blobs are probably from the video I'd assume

L458[06:30:47] <vifino> ssh bbs@wtfits.science, pw bbs

L459[06:30:48] <vifino> +

L460[06:30:51] <vifino> ~*

L461[06:31:19] <Stary2001> vifino, needs more telnet.

L462[06:31:24] <vifino> m8

L463[06:31:29] <Stary2001> nobody said you needed to use the telnet port.

L464[06:31:30] <Stary2001> :D

L465[06:31:35] <vifino> ook

L466[06:33:55] *** Thog is now known as Goht

L467[06:34:39] *** Goht is now known as Thog

L468[06:35:14] <vifino> Stary2001: did you ever read MPL?

L469[06:35:22] <vifino> Mystic Programming Language?

L470[06:35:24] <vifino> It's terrible.

L471[06:35:37] <vifino> It's like BASIC. No, not Visual BASIC. BASIC.

L472[06:36:04] <Stary2001> HAHAHA

L473[06:36:06] <vifino> Stary2001: main menu, /N

L474[06:36:14] <Stary2001> how about /NO

L475[06:36:22] <vifino> multinode chat pls

L476[06:37:14] <vifino> Fine, fuck you too, Stary2001. >:V

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L479[06:44:24] <Forecaster> asie: greaser|q is there a way to play the .ice file on my win-computer?

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L481[06:50:15] <asie> Forecaster: no

L482[06:50:19] <asie> there is one to play on a lin-computer

L483[06:50:20] <asie> ice-tester

L484[06:50:37] <Forecaster> dang

L485[06:51:29] <Forecaster> it keeps not yielding :I

L486[06:53:08] <Vexatos> vifino, 20 GOTO 10

L487[06:53:47] <Vexatos> Forecaster, does your video have the right resolution and aspect ratio

L488[06:53:53] <Vexatos> asie, what is the ratio even >_>

L489[06:54:21] <asie> 16:10

L490[06:54:26] <asie> that would not be a problem tho

L491[06:54:34] <asie> greaser|q: did your improvement break ice

L492[06:54:36] <asie> could you check

L493[06:54:42] <asie> oh he's asleep now

L494[06:54:43] <asie> gah

L495[06:54:45] <asie> i don't have time today ;_;

L496[06:57:49] <vifino> Vexatos: 10 PRINT Shut up, Vexatos.

L497[06:59:23] <Vexatos> in that order :3

L498[07:00:07] <Saintmare> meanwhile in #priyom channel people discuss about gtk

L499[07:00:32] <Saintmare> i'm lucky

L500[07:00:47] <Saintmare> anywhere is coders

L501[07:01:40] * Forecaster makes that his new motto

L502[07:01:45] <Forecaster> "anywhere is coders"

L503[07:01:50] <Sandra> IRC is the home of de script kiddehs.

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L505[07:02:08] <g> to be fair, I don't thing script kiddies care about gtk

L506[07:02:09] <g> :P

L507[07:02:12] <g> think*

L508[07:04:15] <Sandra> :P

L509[07:06:36] * Lizzy is trying to set up a btrfs raid on her desktop

L510[07:06:38] <Sandra> I only know swing and a lil bit of QT myself, never touched GTK.

L511[07:07:20] <Sandra> most people seem to think swing is garbage though and I have no idea why.

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L513[07:08:07] <vifino> Stary2001: ... oh. ok. telnet works now

L514[07:08:12] <vifino> thanks unitymedia?

L515[07:08:34] <Forecaster> Sandra: because programmers like to hate languages they don't use :P

L516[07:08:44] <g> Sandra: It's archaic and kind of a pain to use in some situations, that's why

L517[07:08:45] <g> :P

L518[07:08:52] <g> But it's not as bad as, say, gtk

L519[07:09:07] <g> (go write a gtk theme that supports multiple recent versions and tell me I'm wrong)

L520[07:09:15] <Stary2001> vifino, kek

L521[07:10:12] <Sandra> swing isn't that bad. :P

L522[07:10:23] <g> it's pretty bad in some respects

L523[07:10:26] <g> for most things it's fine though

L524[07:10:28] <vifino> Stary2001: telnet, go

L525[07:10:37] <vifino> telnet wtfits.science ~

L526[07:11:23] <Stary2001> k

L527[07:11:55] <KittyKath> Forecaster: Neither GTK, Qt or Swing are languages. They are GUI frameworks.

L528[07:12:10] <KittyKath> Okay, I take that back. Neither GTK or Swing are languages. Qt is <.<

L529[07:12:20] <Forecaster> statement applies to frameworks too

L530[07:12:30] <vifino> qtscript :D

L531[07:14:00] <g> qtscript and qml, lol

L532[07:14:07] <g> I liked qt when I used it last

L533[07:14:10] <g> I'd probably use it again

L534[07:15:12] <KittyKath> It's not bad. Its just incredible bloated if you just want a small GUI library. Then again "small" and "GUI" are oxymorons

L535[07:15:17] <Sandra> Qt is eh IMO.

L536[07:15:31] <Sandra> probably the smallest GUI library I know of is tk...

L537[07:15:33] <Sandra> I think.

L538[07:15:42] <g> tk is pretty archaic as well

L539[07:15:44] <KittyKath> imgui

L540[07:16:30] <KittyKath> Not dear imgui, imgui's in general. Hard to get tinyer than that

L541[07:16:37] <Sandra> what's not archaic?

L542[07:16:58] <g> qt?

L543[07:16:59] <g> xD

L544[07:17:00] <Sandra> Qt is pretty awful imo.

L545[07:17:03] <Sandra> :P

L546[07:17:12] <g> I like Qt, but kitty's right, it's friggin' massive

L547[07:17:15] <g> Wx isn't bad

L548[07:17:24] <KittyKath> Sandra: What's your favourite programming language? :P

L549[07:17:31] <Sandra> KittyKath, lua. :P

L550[07:17:38] <KittyKath> Ah, okay ^.^

L551[07:17:39] <g> aside from that? :P

L552[07:18:06] <g> python people tend to like both Tk and Qt

L553[07:18:11] <g> Java people.. well, swing

L554[07:18:13] <Sandra> i mean, the only other one I really use is java.

L555[07:18:18] <Sandra> can'

L556[07:18:23] <Sandra> t stand python or ruby.

L557[07:18:25] <g> I think there are bindings for Wx and others in java though

L558[07:19:12] <Sandra> yeah.

L559[07:19:13] <KittyKath> wxj! and wx4j but both are very alpha and not really maintained

L560[07:19:54] <Sandra> if I need a GUI toolkit I use swing in java or tk in ruby.

L561[07:20:03] <Sandra> I used to be a big ruby programmer.

L562[07:20:13] <Sandra> not a huge fan anymore.

L563[07:20:28] <Sandra> it's 2nd class methods just annoy me.

L564[07:20:30] <KittyKath> I used to like Python :P

L565[07:20:44] <Sandra> since everything is objects except methods.

L566[07:20:45] <g> I'd be surprised if there weren't Tk bindings

L567[07:21:05] <g> eh? everything is objects in java too, aside from the base types

L568[07:21:29] <Sandra> plus the fact that the syntax bases it's parsing on lines which is eh.

L569[07:21:50] <Sandra> g, yes, but java is not a scripting language.

L570[07:22:03] <g> it's as much of a scripting language as python

L571[07:22:08] <g> not sure about ruby, don't like that either

L572[07:22:10] <Sandra> uh.....

L573[07:22:12] <Sandra> no.

L574[07:22:22] <g> yup, they work in pretty similar ways

L575[07:22:32] <Sandra> python is plenty much a scripting language.

L576[07:22:46] <g> they're both VMs that use special bytecode

L577[07:23:14] <Sandra> g, the specific nature of the implementation doesn't make the languages not completely different.

L578[07:23:14] <KittyKath> Sandra: The whole "scripting" language argument is bad.

L579[07:23:21] <CompanionCube> surely the smallest GUI library

L580[07:23:26] <CompanionCube> would be Xlib

L581[07:23:45] <Sandra> my definition of a scripting language: a language that allows you to write code without structure.

L582[07:23:52] <Sandra> java does not do that.

L583[07:24:01] <g> sure it does

L584[07:24:03] <KittyKath> Sandra: Important word here: "My".

L585[07:24:04] <g> all java requires is a main class

L586[07:24:04] <Sandra> you /have/ to put it in int main.

L587[07:24:13] <g> you can easily put all your code within that method

L588[07:24:13] <g> lol

L589[07:24:17] <Sandra> yes, but that makes it /not/ a scripting method.

L590[07:25:00] <Sandra> ruby, lua, python, etc... all are scripting languages.

L591[07:25:01] <g> in that case, almost every language is a scripting language

L592[07:25:06] <Sandra> most are, yes.

L593[07:25:13] <Sandra> c is not, neither is c++.

L594[07:25:15] <g> seems like a completely useless observation then

L595[07:25:19] <KittyKath> It is

L596[07:25:27] <KittyKath> C lets you have completely unstructured code

L597[07:25:30] <KittyKath> So does C++

L598[07:25:38] <Sandra> no, it doesn't.

L599[07:25:39] <KittyKath> Sandra is arbitrarely defining scripting language

L600[07:25:56] <KittyKath> Sandra: yeah it does

L601[07:26:06] <CompanionCube> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_of_%22Xman%22_program.png Xt/Xaw/Motif smallest toolkits ecer

L602[07:26:20] <Sandra> a scripting language is a language where the hello world program is 1 expression.

L603[07:26:30] <g> is that cross-platform CompanionCube?

L604[07:26:37] <KittyKath> Sandra: In your arbitrary definition.

L605[07:26:48] <Sandra> KittyKath, well, yes, of course.

L606[07:26:58] <Sandra> what's /your/ definition then?

L607[07:27:05] <CompanionCube> g, the X server at least is. I'm not sure about the libraries as such

L608[07:27:19] <g> I dunno if you'd want to use this on eg windows

L609[07:27:32] <CompanionCube> I don't know if you'd ever want to use it

L610[07:27:37] <CompanionCube> it looks ugly as fuck :p

L611[07:27:47] <g> it looks like old Mac OS

L612[07:27:48] <KittyKath> I don't say scripting language because it is a useless information and holds no value. I describe typesystem and paradigms Sandra

L613[07:27:49] <g> lol

L614[07:27:58] <Sandra> okay, in that case....

L615[07:28:15] <KittyKath> Because in your definition Haskell is a scripting language, you know?

L616[07:28:24] <Sandra> and it is of course.

L617[07:29:01] <KittyKath> Sandra: And again, your definition of scripting language contains no value whatsoever.

L618[07:29:05] <g> "scripting language" these days seems to be one of those dirty words of programming

L619[07:29:10] <g> not sure why

L620[07:29:10] <g> lol

L621[07:29:47] <Sandra> okay.... how did we get onto this topic again?

L622[07:29:54] <KittyKath> Sandra: You being an idiot mostly

L623[07:30:07] <g> You called ruby a scripting language and that made me confused

L624[07:30:11] <Sandra> wow thanks.

L625[07:30:13] <KittyKath> Python*

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L627[07:30:22] <g> she actually said ruby

L628[07:30:24] <Sandra> um, of course ruby and python are scripting languages.

L629[07:30:28] <g> I just usually hear python called that

L630[07:30:34] <Sandra> not that that means anything.

L631[07:30:45] <KittyKath> Sandra: Please just shut up thanks

L632[07:30:57] <Sandra> KittyKath, why don't you.

L633[07:31:10] <Sandra> rather than being incredibly insulting for no real reason.

L634[07:31:16] <g> come on now children, no need to be so hostile to each other

L635[07:31:18] <g> just get on with life pls

L636[07:31:29] <Sandra> i agree.

L637[07:31:36] <g> so stop too :P

L638[07:31:49] <g> also you're right about python, it's definitely used as a scripting language a lot

L639[07:31:56] <Sandra> yep.

L640[07:32:00] <g> but to me that would be a language like lua that gets embedded a lot

L641[07:32:18] <Sandra> to me they both are. :P

L642[07:32:32] <g> stick to one definition or you're going to confuse people

L643[07:32:32] <g> :P

L644[07:32:38] <KittyKath> And here it goes again, arguing about a completely random notion of "scripting" language that has no value whatsoever.

L645[07:32:50] <Sandra> thanks for your input.

L646[07:33:22] <vifino> Shut up, Sandra and KittyKath, both of you.

L647[07:33:24] <KittyKath> Why don't you just call it an type-weak mostly imperative language?

L648[07:33:49] <Sandra> because scripting is a more concise term?

L649[07:33:58] <KittyKath> Also arbitrary?

L650[07:34:08] <Sandra> (also it's a dynamic type, not a weak type.)

L651[07:34:11] <KittyKath> And ambigious to no end as ^ proven

L652[07:34:15] <Sandra> all these languages are strong typed.

L653[07:34:17] <KittyKath> Its weak as shit.

L654[07:34:51] <Sandra> weakly typed languages: C.

L655[07:35:04] <vifino> oh boy, i get hammered on my bbs' telnet server already

L656[07:35:05] <Sandra> (that's the only one I can think of atm.)

L657[07:35:38] <g> What makes C weakly-typed again? void pointers?

L658[07:36:00] <Sandra> C doesn't care what types you use at all.

L659[07:36:06] <g> Huh, I thought it did

L660[07:36:16] <g> although I guess it doesn't have classes, so..

L661[07:36:21] <KittyKath> oh god

L662[07:37:21] <Sandra> (i think it /may/ in direct but like, all pointers are the same thing.)

L663[07:37:32] <g> ah right

L664[07:37:38] <vifino> Ram is weakly typed.

L665[07:37:40] <vifino> ~

L666[07:37:47] <Sandra> what is ram?

L667[07:37:53] <g> bits

L668[07:37:53] <Sandra> RAM?

L669[07:38:05] <Sandra> yeah.

L670[07:38:14] <KittyKath> g: [Long insulting rand removed] Classes and types have nothing to do with each other.

L671[07:38:28] <Sandra> they don't, that is correct.

L672[07:38:36] <g> yeah, I wasn't citing that as a reason

L673[07:38:40] <g> that's just why it doesn't surprise me

L674[07:39:06] <KittyKath> wat

L675[07:40:34] <Sandra> @Override is incredibly horrible as a thing.

L676[07:40:40] <Sandra> i mean, wow.

L677[07:41:11] <Sandra> i mean, annotations in general in java are garbage.

L678[07:41:24] <Sandra> completely unneccessary crap.

L679[07:41:35] <g> Unnecessary maybe, but nice syntactic sugar in some cases

L680[07:42:06] <g> eg, when you're using lombok or hibernate

L681[07:42:42] <Sandra> yes, I understand the purpose of it.

L682[07:42:48] <Sandra> but that doesn't make it not garbage.

L683[07:43:06] <Sandra> there may be reasons behind garbage being there but it doesn't make it not garbage.

L684[07:43:18] <g> well, what would you replace it with?

L685[07:45:14] <Sandra> tbh, I wouldn't include it in the first place.

L686[07:45:27] <g> Sure, but you need something to replace the functionality

L687[07:45:39] <Sandra> but.... do you?

L688[07:46:11] <g> Well sure, if you're just going to rip out a language feature used by thousands of devs, they're going to want an alternative :P

L689[07:46:35] <Sandra> i'm not saying rip it out now, I'm saying never put it in.

L690[07:46:45] <g> sure, but that isn't what I asked

L691[07:47:03] <g> it's far too easy to just invent a time machine :P

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L695[07:48:02] <g> ping pinged out o7

L696[07:48:03] <g> brb

L697[07:48:09] <Sandra> I'm saying, we replace it with no feature, and see how few people complain.

L698[07:48:24] <g> I'd complain xD

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L701[07:49:04] <g> take hibernate annotations for example

L702[07:49:14] <g> they save you from writing leagues of XML

L703[07:49:28] <g> XML is a valid alternative, but xml is annoying dammit

L704[07:49:34] <Sandra> of course.

L705[07:49:39] <Saintmare> what a kind of shit there was

L706[07:49:46] <Sandra> XML is incredibly garbage.

L707[07:49:59] <vifino> telnet wtfits.science, press enter, register, main menu /N

L708[07:50:06] <Saintmare> i'm not about XML, Lua, and other languages

L709[07:50:24] <Sandra> ?

L710[07:50:24] <g> Saintmare, what's with the colours

L711[07:50:26] <g> brb for real this time

L712[07:50:49] <Saintmare> colours...

L713[07:51:23] * Saintmare listen to "These colours don't run"

L714[07:51:35] <vifino> Saintmare: Colors, colors everywhere.

L715[07:51:37] <vifino> Plus UTF8.

L716[07:52:10] <Saintmare> RGB, CMYK?

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L718[07:57:55] <Saintmare> how to read the topic of channel

L719[07:59:37] <Vexatos> https://github.com/asiekierka/Computronics/network it's getting worse

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L721[08:01:02] <Saintmare> goodbye

L722[08:01:14] <Saintmare> have a nice day(?)

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L725[08:13:16] <Inari> Vexatos: at least it isnt http://justinhileman.info/article/changing-history/opensky-branches.png

L726[08:15:07] <Mimiru> Meh.

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L728[08:17:40] <Mimiru> Vexatos, "do you even OC" Seriously? Also the methods on the card isn't even done, or partially been tested.. the card won't even go into the computer, which was the issue.

L729[08:17:57] <Vexatos> well noone told me THAT

L730[08:18:03] <Vexatos> Kodos told me it wasn't working

L731[08:18:10] <Mimiru> It isn't.

L732[08:19:02] <Vexatos> Your card needs to implement Item

L733[08:19:14] <Vexatos> li.cil.oc.api.driver.Ite

L734[08:19:16] <Vexatos> li.cil.oc.api.driver.Item

L735[08:19:34] <Mimiru> It did for a while

L736[08:19:37] <Vexatos> if it does, it should fit

L737[08:19:39] <Mimiru> it made no difference

L738[08:20:05] <Vexatos> http://git.io/vV47j this is all my items

L739[08:20:13] <Mimiru> I know

L740[08:20:26] <Mimiru> I checked how you did it... lol

L741[08:21:08] <Mimiru> the RFID Card: http://michi.pc-logix.com/javaw_2016-04-03_08-20-48.png it highlights the card slots

L742[08:21:25] <Mimiru> the Network Card: http://michi.pc-logix.com/javaw_2016-04-03_08-21-16.png it doesn't

L743[08:21:44] <g> you're not hovering it in that screenshot

L744[08:21:45] <g> :P

L745[08:21:54] <Lizzy> beep beep

L746[08:21:59] <g> beep boop

L747[08:22:00] <Mimiru> Thanks Sharexz...

L748[08:22:00] <Mimiru> http://michi.pc-logix.com/hexchat_2016-04-03_08-21-53.png

L749[08:22:03] <Mimiru> damn it

L750[08:22:04] <Mimiru> wfjrh[ioshtgf

L751[08:22:10] <g> haha

L752[08:22:14] <Mimiru> http://michi.pc-logix.com/javaw_2016-04-03_08-22-06.png

L753[08:22:17] <Mimiru> there ffs

L754[08:22:49] <Mimiru> Vexatos, *none* of the OC methods on the item get called, it never makes the environment or anything

L755[08:22:58] <Mimiru> for all I know the driver never gets attached to the item

L756[08:23:07] <Mimiru> public class ItemSecureNetworkCard extends Item implements li.cil.oc.api.driver.Item, HostAware, EnvironmentAware {

L757[08:24:37] <Vexatos> did you... register the driver?

L758[08:24:57] <Vexatos> :|

L759[08:25:40] <Vexatos> you know http://git.io/vV454

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L761[08:27:43] <Mimiru> The method add(Block) in the type Driver is not applicable for the arguments (SecureNetworkCardDriver)

L762[08:28:04] <Mimiru> Works fine for the RFID Card reader li.cil.oc.api.Driver.add(new RFIDReaderCardDriver());

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L764[08:29:02] <Mimiru> I also don't have the EnvironmentHost at the point I go to register the driver ¬_¬

L765[08:30:23] <Vexatos> add(Item)

L766[08:30:25] <Vexatos> is what you want

L767[08:30:49] <Mimiru> Except it's Item driver per Eclipse

L768[08:31:00] <Mimiru> And giving it an item doesn't work

L769[08:31:11] <Vexatos> do you implement api.driver.Item

L770[08:31:13] <Vexatos> on your item

L771[08:31:20] <Vexatos> and then Driver.add(thatitem)

L772[08:31:27] <Mimiru> implements li.cil.oc.api.driver.Item, HostAware, EnvironmentAware {

L773[08:31:27] <Vexatos> just like the thing I linked

L774[08:32:17] <Mimiru> The method add(Block) in the type Driver is not applicable for the arguments (Item) I have NO idea why it's using "Block"

L775[08:35:22] <Vexatos> No idea

L776[08:35:26] <Vexatos> I don't use eclipse :D

L777[08:38:20] <Mimiru> RFIDReaderCardDriver extends DriverItem which lets .add() work

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L779[08:38:33] <Mimiru> but the SecureNetworkCard implements NetworkCard

L780[08:39:24] <Vexatos> Yes

L781[08:39:34] <Vexatos> that's why you don't Driver.add(SecureNetworkCard)=

L782[08:39:43] <Vexatos> but you Driver.add(SecureNetworkCardItem)

L783[08:40:34] <Mimiru> public static Item secureNetworkCard; li.cil.oc.api.Driver.add(secureNetworkCard);

L784[08:40:37] <Mimiru> I AM adding the Item

L785[08:42:25] <Vexatos> but it works for me .-.

L786[08:42:32] <g> it would probably be easier if Mimiru put her code on git somewhere so Vexatos could check it

L787[08:42:37] <Vexatos> ...it is

L788[08:42:39] <Vexatos> and I checked it

L789[08:43:05] <Vexatos> Mimiru, you Driver.add(secureNetworkCard) exactly below this http://git.io/vV4bY

L790[08:43:10] <Vexatos> do you?

L791[08:43:44] <Mimiru> Yes

L792[08:44:07] <Vexatos> OC 1.5 or 1.6

L793[08:44:12] <Mimiru> 1.6

L794[08:44:22] <Vexatos> OOOOOOOOOOOOOH

L795[08:44:25] <Vexatos> >________________________________________>

L796[08:44:36] <Vexatos> well good to freaking know

L797[08:44:52] <Vexatos> replace EnvironmentAware with EnvironmentProvider

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L799[08:45:42] <Mimiru> cannot be resolved to a type

L800[08:46:24] <Vexatos> what

L801[08:46:30] <Mimiru> And none of the imports match it

L802[08:46:33] <Vexatos> li.cil.oc.api.driver.EnvironmentProvider

L803[08:46:36] <Vexatos> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/java/li/cil/oc/api/driver/EnvironmentProvider.java

L804[08:47:53] <Mimiru> li.cil.oc.api.driver.EnvironmentProvider cannot be resolved to a type

L805[08:48:14] <Mimiru> Wait... what the actual fuck eclipse

L806[08:48:30] <Mimiru> No... it seems that even though I have 1.6 in my local build script... it's still got 1.5 attached

L807[08:48:38] <Mimiru> even though I've ran setupDecompWorkspace eclipse

L808[08:49:02] <Mimiru> So no, currently 1.5

L809[08:49:08] <Mimiru> For whatever god damned reason

L810[08:49:14] <Vexatos> well then it should work

L811[08:49:40] <bauen1> select the project and press f5

L812[08:49:41] <Mimiru> li.cil.oc.api.Driver.add(secureNetworkCardItem); The method add(Block)

L813[08:49:45] <bauen1> then it refreshes

L814[08:50:05] <Mimiru> bauen1, that's totally not the issue..

L815[08:50:22] <bauen1> well, maybe it didnt refresh after you updated to 1.6

L816[08:52:36] <bauen1> just saying

L817[08:52:40] * Mimiru stabs Sangar

L818[08:52:56] <Mimiru> bauen1, I honestly don't care if it's 1.6 currently... I'd just like to register the driver..

L819[08:53:17] <bauen1> yeah, if it doesnt find the import, try to refresh the project

L820[08:53:25] <bauen1> sometimes some files arent in sync

L821[08:53:31] <Mimiru> It's on 1.5 ATM, and I'm fine with that.

L822[08:53:43] <Mimiru> Refreshing the project made no difference.

L823[08:53:50] <bauen1> ok

L824[08:55:07] <Vexatos> Mimiru, just cast to Item

L825[08:55:52] <Mimiru> li.cil.oc.api.Driver.add((li.cil.oc.api.driver.Item) secureNetworkCardItem);

L826[08:57:23] <Mimiru> Yeah I had just done that.. and it works, but I don't get *WHY* I need to do that

L827[08:57:40] <Mimiru> Anyway, Thanks for the help Vexatos

L828[08:57:58] <Vexatos> in intelliJ you don't :P

L829[09:00:01] <Mimiru> ok, now to get the generateUUID stuff to work

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L831[09:01:02] <Mimiru> disconnect wants a node, and it can't be itself lol

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L837[09:14:21] <Vexatos> Mimiru, node.remove()

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L841[09:30:10] <Lizzy> the game planetbase on steamis a complete pile of shit

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L843[09:33:15] <Stary2001> noted.

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L849[10:00:07] <gamax92> the xscreensaver author is kinda a dick

L850[10:00:15] <gamax92> no Vexatos

L851[10:01:06] <gamax92> fun

L852[10:01:18] <gamax92> I'll look into it

L853[10:01:30] <gamax92> iirc should be simple

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L855[10:06:46] <gamax92> I kinda want to look at parabolic arcs instead

L856[10:08:12] <Vexatos> I guess it's just actually implementing the two?

L857[10:09:40] <Temia> What did they do, gamax?

L858[10:10:11] <Lizzy> ¬_¬

L859[10:10:11] <Lizzy> janus ffs

L860[10:12:10] <gamax92> so xscreensaver has a time bomb in it that if it gets too out of date it will bag you to update it

L861[10:13:16] <gamax92> just recently, it went off for Debian stable and Ubuntu users, if not more distros

L862[10:14:07] <gamax92> and when asking the author about it he just insults users for using those distros and the distros for being out of date

L863[10:14:56] <Inari> 10^54185.39921951661

L864[10:14:56] <Inari> fun

L865[10:15:45] <gamax92> and so now telling him to go fuck off and just remove the warning since it goes against the idea of a stable distro (out of date packages)

L866[10:16:09] <gamax92> erm, is being discussed, hasn't happened yet

L867[10:16:39] <g> who cares, it's a screensaver

L868[10:16:46] <g> I'd just disable it or use something else

L869[10:16:54] <gamax92> good for you g

L870[10:17:17] <g> if we were able to stop people in FOSS from being dicks, torvalds would be agreeable and lex wouldn't ban people for having short nicks

L871[10:32:53] <payo-remote> lex bans for short names? ha

L872[10:34:10] <Mimiru> Lex doesn't need a reason... lol

L873[10:34:43] <ds84182> I'll just disable xscreensaver

L874[10:34:47] <ds84182> It was causing more problems really

L875[10:35:20] <ds84182> After resuming from a suspend I have to use my mouse to click a window before I can use my keyboard (even if the window is already focused)

L876[10:35:47] <ds84182> It's because xscreensaver locks the keyboard once before suspend, then tries again after suspend I believe

L877[10:37:24] <gamax92> ds84182: it is an old piece of software, so I can see that happening :P

L878[10:37:52] <gamax92> and I mean that in the sense that it's been around for a long time

L879[10:38:15] <vifino> custom lockscript ftw

L880[10:43:20] <Mimiru> eh, the card "works" I'll work on the address changing later

L881[10:53:32] <payo-remote> gamax92: that was a fun read...

L882[10:53:42] * payo-remote read the xscreensaver thread

L883[10:53:43] <payo-remote> sheesh

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L885[11:08:43] <gamax92> there I update it

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L888[11:25:05] <gamax92> right well, gonna go play with arcs

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L895[12:07:14] <gamax92> mmm this is looking good now.

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L898[12:09:09] <gamax92> wolfram threw -0.00121431x^2 + 0.990265x - 0.0180554 at me, has an R^2 of ~0.999996

L899[12:09:20] <gamax92> now to do tests with it.

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L901[12:14:25] <gamax92> first deriv should give me the acceleration ... it's been a while.

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L911[13:49:22] <Mimiru> Oh... just realized, Lizzy never sent me that gentoo, or arch VM image

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L914[13:50:07] <Mimiru> Oh, I figured you'd be busy

L915[13:50:09] <Mimiru> :P

L916[13:51:56] <Kodos> o/

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L924[14:07:55] <Lizzy> Mimiru, that but also lazy

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L926[14:34:47] <Lizzy> Mimiru, doing it now

L927[14:36:29] <Lizzy> providing i don't get bored

L928[14:42:38] <Lizzy> Mimiru, what's your local timezone name?

L929[14:43:52] * Mimiru shrugs

L930[14:44:25] <Mimiru> US Central?

L931[14:44:57] <Lizzy> doesn't have that specifically, is NY pretty much central?

L932[14:45:27] <Mimiru> No that's eastern +1

L933[14:45:28] <Mimiru> Chicago

L934[14:45:30] <Mimiru> is closest

L935[14:45:51] <Lizzy> it has that

L936[14:45:53] <Lizzy> thanks

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L939[14:57:53] <Kaka> Hello

L940[14:58:07] <Kaka> I need help for opencomputers

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L942[14:59:09] <Mimiru> …

L943[14:59:20] <Mimiru> 54 whole fucking seconds

L944[14:59:52] * Lizzy hopes the sound will work in this vm

L945[15:00:53] <KittyKath> Mimiru: Its a german :P

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L947[15:01:41] <ABC> Is someone there?

L948[15:01:41] <KittyKath> ABC: You need to stay longer than 54 seconds btw :P

L949[15:01:47] <Mimiru> Welcome back

L950[15:02:38] <ABC> So, i have a problem with opencomputers

L951[15:03:01] <Lizzy> and we may have a soloution, please explain your error

L952[15:03:37] <Mimiru> ^

L953[15:03:49] <ABC> I found a red disk with the description Plan9k, i put the disk in and boot the computer and then the following error came

L954[15:04:20] <ABC> lib/modules/base/06_cowfs.lua:169: attempt to perform arithmetic on a table

L955[15:04:24] <ABC> System halted: panic

L956[15:05:50] <ABC> I would like to know how i can fix that?

L957[15:06:20] <KittyKath> Yell at Magik

L958[15:07:29] <Mimiru> What version of OC are you on..?

L959[15:08:20] <ABC> Wait

L960[15:08:50] <ABC> MC1.8.9-1.6.0.2-beta

L961[15:09:08] <KittyKath> Windows 8?

L962[15:09:23] <ABC> Windows 10

L963[15:09:30] <KittyKath> Close enough \o/

L964[15:10:04] <ABC> Windows 10 is far away from Windows 8

L965[15:10:13] <KittyKath> No its really not <.<

L966[15:10:21] <vifino> Windows is still windows.

L967[15:10:29] <Mimiru> Looks like the fix to plan9k for the handle stuff was done after the beta build you're on

L968[15:10:43] <vifino> Regardless, I am quite sure it has nothing to do with the host OS.

L969[15:10:52] <Mimiru> Fix was 15 days ago, beta was built on the 12th of last month

L970[15:10:58] <KittyKath> ABC Windows 10 and 8 have most of the important bits the same

L971[15:11:26] <ABC> Windows 10 has a better 3D Performance

L972[15:11:38] <Mimiru> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/commit/755a77d6e483ea86c1d2b265fa94af040c80596a

L973[15:11:51] <KittyKath> vifino: Just checking if LuaJ or Pluto. And they don't seem to be computer literate enough that I'd feel comfortable asking a harder question :P

L974[15:12:09] <KittyKath> Well Eris. Same difference

L975[15:12:49] <KittyKath> ABC: Download the latest 1.8 build from http://ci.cil.li and check if that helps.

L976[15:13:28] <vifino> KittyKath: I'm pretty sure the error would have been different then.

L977[15:14:49] <Mimiru> ABC http://ci.cil.li/job/OpenComputers-dev-MC1.8.9/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/build/libs/OpenComputers-MC1.8.9-1.6.0.35-dev.jar should be latest...

L978[15:14:56] <ABC> The last build is 22 days ago. And just as Mimiru telled us the bug was fixed 15 days ago

L979[15:15:06] <Mimiru> "22 hours ago"

L980[15:15:28] <reinei> snagar was online a day ago? O.o

L981[15:15:41] <reinei> </sarcasm>

L982[15:16:54] <ABC> oh, i didnt read that right

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L984[15:18:18] <KittyKath> Some people ... *shakes head*

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L987[15:28:10] <reinei> how is firefox able to just suddenly decide it needs to up the frequency of my CPU from 50% to 108%? WTH can change in this html5 player from one frame to the next that makes it so hard?

L988[15:29:57] <Lizzy> WOOP

L989[15:30:19] <Lizzy> Mimiru, the VM has gui nao and can play music through youtube successfully :)

L990[15:31:08] <Lizzy> now lets go get java on it and see if mc wants to boot

L991[15:31:10] <Mimiru> \o/

L992[15:32:38] <Stary2001> kek

L993[15:32:41] <Lizzy> perfect test material :P https://www.theender.net/shx/zion/ecfb-28.png

L994[15:32:59] <Mimiru> fuck yeah

L995[15:34:24] <Lizzy> Mimiru, java8 or 7?

L996[15:34:49] * Mimiru shrugs

L997[15:34:50] <Mimiru> either

L998[15:40:33] <Lizzy> both it is

L999[15:40:52] <gamax92> Temia

L1000[15:41:14] <Temia> Moo?

L1001[15:41:36] * Lizzy pets Temia

L1002[15:41:47] * Temia lean

L1003[15:46:23] <Lizzy> man it's been ages since i used the vanilla launcher

L1004[15:48:08] <Lizzy> Mimiru, mc performance isn't going to be the best in the VM (got about 20fps in a VM)

L1005[15:48:20] <Mimiru> Should be fine..

L1006[15:50:19] <Kodos> What did I miss

L1007[15:50:32] <Lizzy> me

L1008[15:51:19] <Kodos> I absolutely did miss you, and Mimiru and everyone else

L1009[15:52:21] <Lizzy> :)

L1010[15:53:25]

<jhagrid7> Kodos missed me?!

L1011[15:55:19] <Kodos> Mimiru, so the card works but the only change from a wired networking card doesn't, correct?

L1012[15:55:52] <vifino> And me?

L1013[15:56:00] <Kodos> Yes, especially you vifino

L1014[15:56:07] <vifino> :O

L1015[15:56:22] <Lizzy> okay, so i had pulse audio running with x in root user, normal user it doesn't wanna work...

L1016[15:57:28] <CompanionCube> if it's a linux VM you should try XPRA

L1017[15:57:39] <CompanionCube> is very much 'screen for X11'

L1018[15:57:47] <Lizzy> ?

L1019[15:59:33] <Kodos> %wa 52 ounces to liters

L1020[15:59:41] <gamax92> you fool!

L1021[15:59:47] <gamax92> what have you done!

L1022[16:04:19] <Mimiru> I did it too... WHYYYYYY

L1023[16:06:34] <Lizzy> .-.

L1024[16:06:53] <Mimiru> lol

L1025[16:06:59] <Mimiru> 40 dings

L1026[16:07:05] <Mimiru> FOURTY!

L1027[16:07:11] <Mimiru> err

L1028[16:07:13] <Mimiru> I fucked that up :p

L1029[16:07:27] <Mimiru> forty :P

L1030[16:09:10] <greaser|q> "\x07"*40

L1031[16:09:21] <greaser|q> how to cook for forty humans

L1032[16:10:04] <Lizzy> a nuclear bomb

L1033[16:16:31] <gamax92> "We are leaking 8 bytes of nonpaged pool for every request sent to a USB storage device."

L1034[16:19:47] <Lizzy> finally, it's working

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L1036[16:22:38] <greaser|q> for the "more real-CPU-friendly bus" proposal, should mmioWriteBus32/mmioReadBus32 be able to throw a LimitReachedException, or should the component just set a flag that can be read? (cc: ds84182: )

L1037[16:23:05] <greaser|q> i'm mostly thinking it should be the latter

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L1039[16:23:41] <ds84182> I feel that LimitReachedException should be handled on the Java side

L1040[16:23:55] <ds84182> For the Lua arch limits are invisible to the program

L1041[16:23:58] <ds84182> They are handled in the bios

L1042[16:24:15] <greaser|q> after all, if you're using the hardbus you're reading specs for that specific piece of hardware

L1043[16:24:48] <greaser|q> while we're at it, i'd say the hardware that definitely needs a hardbus implementation are gpu, screen, and keyboard

L1044[16:24:58] <greaser|q> oh and come to think of it, filesystem and eeprom

L1045[16:25:06] <greaser|q> maybe not eeprom but it would be somewhat sensible

L1046[16:25:07] <Lizzy> Mimiru, exporting the VBox appliance, will pm you with link and instructions and stuffs

L1047[16:25:12] <greaser|q> and rather easy too

L1048[16:25:13] <Mimiru> thanks Lizzy

L1049[16:26:01] <greaser|q> well, DMA access to EEPROM would be easy, non-DMA would be a pain and i'd be tempted to say "just use softbus" to those who don't have DMA implemented

L1050[16:26:32] <greaser|q> it'd just be "write a suitable value to this one command register and it'll spew out 4KB down the DMA bus"

L1051[16:27:06] <greaser|q> of course, reading it would reveal a status register and you'd want to wait for the "busy bit" to clear

L1052[16:27:28] <greaser|q> another register could be read for a non-DMA char-at-a-time read

L1053[16:27:57] <greaser|q> ds84182: quick q, how does OpenARMs handle the EEPROM

L1054[16:28:04] <greaser|q> OCMIPS loads it into RAM

L1055[16:31:24] <ds84182> greaser|q: I have a piece of boot code that loads the EEPROM

L1056[16:31:29] <greaser|q> ah righty

L1057[16:31:44] <ds84182> Then another piece of code that copies it to address 0 then jumps to it

L1058[16:31:49] <greaser|q> yeah with all this hardbus talk i'm seriously considering having a very basic boot ROM

L1059[16:32:52] <gamax92> embedded bootrom?

L1060[16:33:09] <greaser|q> after all, if it's good enough for the Lua arch, it's good enough for me

L1061[16:34:29] <gamax92> greaser|q: I mean, it is a real thing, startup code embedded inside processors

L1062[16:35:28] <greaser|q> tempted to opt for a BSOD for a crash caught by the bootrom and a RSOD for a crash caught by Java

L1063[16:36:26] <greaser|q> the red of course is so you know it's REALLY screwed

L1064[16:37:03] <greaser|q> as much as i'd like to make it look like the windows not-NT BSOD, those ones are really uninformative

L1065[16:37:44] <greaser|q> fun fact, if you aren't running any programs in windows 3.1 and you hit ctrl-alt-del instead of showing the task list it shows a Blue Screen of Nothing Actually Went Wrong

L1066[16:38:23] <greaser|q> it tells you that there's no tasks actually running

L1067[16:38:25] <reinei> will it continue on afterwards or reboot?

L1068[16:38:35] <greaser|q> oh of course it does, it's the windows not-NT BSOD

L1069[16:38:43] <greaser|q> it's more like a Blue Screen of Danger

L1070[16:39:03] <greaser|q> the White Screen of Death is usually worse

L1071[16:39:12] <greaser|q> although not so much on win 3.1

L1072[16:39:28] <greaser|q> but if you get the win 3.1 style error box it's a good sign your system is hosed and needs a reboot

L1073[16:39:33] <greaser|q> well if you get it on 9x

L1074[16:40:01] <CompanionCube> I've only seen a WSOD once in a screenshot

L1075[16:40:14] <greaser|q> goes to show you've never used 9x

L1076[16:40:23] <CompanionCube> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/5/5c/20140902153905!Windows_9x_White_screen_of_Death.png

L1077[16:40:41] <greaser|q> that one almost looks fake

L1078[16:40:43] <gamax92> greaser|q: what about screen vomit where your resolution is oddly wrapping 16 times on the screen

L1079[16:40:54] <greaser|q> ...i swear that one is fake, that button should have some rounding

L1080[16:41:00] <greaser|q> eheh

L1081[16:41:27] <greaser|q> basically there's three main error message types in 9x: the "application has crashed" one with the "critical" white x on red circle, the white screen of death which is usually a 16-bit app fuckup, and the blue screen of death which is usually where something went wrong in the kernel

L1082[16:41:34] <CompanionCube> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Windows_9x_White_screen_of_Death.png

L1083[16:41:36] <CompanionCube> this one?

L1084[16:41:48] <greaser|q> much more accurate

L1085[16:42:04] <greaser|q> yeah the first one is fake as fuck

L1086[16:42:12] <greaser|q> but this one is probably realy

L1087[16:42:23] <CompanionCube> I've never seen...evidence of a WSOD happening

L1088[16:42:31] <greaser|q> i used to use 9x

L1089[16:42:36] <greaser|q> and play win3.1 games

L1090[16:42:47] <greaser|q> heck it wasn't necessarily win3.1 games that did it, either

L1091[16:43:04] <greaser|q> we had a very special version of win98se which made me think 98se was fucking atrocious

L1092[16:43:21] <greaser|q> it was the gateway OEM version

L1093[16:43:30] <gamax92> I had 95 for a while but don't think I ever used win3.11 stuff on it, just 9x and dos apps

L1094[16:43:36] <greaser|q> we reinstalled our entire system probably about 8 times

L1095[16:43:39] <gamax92> (also have never seen that error)

L1096[16:43:48] <greaser|q> i've never seen *that* error, but i have seen WSoDs

L1097[16:44:55] <Ajloveslily> that creative robot computer does some weird shit with WAILA

L1098[16:46:16] <CompanionCube> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib9_CBIgFeQ so the error is actually real

L1099[16:46:18] <MichiBot> WINDOWS ME ERROR: Error loading explorer.exe you Must reinstall Windows | length: 2m 26s | Likes: 3 Dislikes: 2 Views: 927 | by robloxlover55 [DEFUNCT SOON]

L1100[16:46:33] <Ajloveslily> >robloxlover55

L1101[16:46:35] <gamax92> ^

L1102[16:46:56] <CompanionCube> the message made me think it was fake / photoshopped, as did the simplicity of the dialog

L1103[16:47:19] <Ajloveslily> can't hate on him too much, when I made my minecraft account I included my age in the name

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L1105[16:47:54] <Ajloveslily> I was 14 until last year as far as minecraft was concerned

L1106[16:48:06] <gamax92> lol

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L1108[16:48:15] <Ajloveslily> oh also

L1109[16:48:19] <Ajloveslily> I'm SO FUCKING HYPE

L1110[16:48:24] <gamax92> cool

L1111[16:48:25] <Ajloveslily> LUA FOR HEXCHAT

L1112[16:48:25] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym

L1113[16:48:38] <Ajloveslily> was enderbot written by mniip

L1114[16:48:46] <gamax92> XD

L1115[16:48:48] <gamax92> no, by Lizzy

L1116[16:48:54] <Ajloveslily> :P

L1117[16:48:55] * Lizzy hides

L1118[16:49:13] <greaser|q> ^ tip to whoever made that, if the string has no lowercase characters, but contains some other characters that don't form "lua", don't show the message

L1119[16:49:24] <Lizzy> greaser|q, na

L1120[16:49:29] <greaser|q> also, i wonder how many people who play minecraft were born after the original release

L1121[16:49:31] <gamax92> JHDDFJISDFJLUADJFKFKDJF

L1122[16:49:31] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L1123[16:50:14] <Ajloveslily> gamax92, I'm glad you got the reference I wasn't sure how many here were from TPT

L1124[16:50:21] <Ajloveslily> /freenode in general

L1125[16:50:35] <gamax92> was gonna say

L1126[16:51:14] <Ajloveslily> I first met him from TPT, before he was famous :^)

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L1128[16:51:30] <gamax92> pfft, famous?

L1129[16:51:49] <Ajloveslily> well he is opper so that makes him auto famous

L1130[16:51:49] <gamax92> also ext2fsd is still not working on win10 th2 for me.

L1131[16:52:08] <gamax92> infact the new update that claims to have fixed things made things worse

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L1134[17:12:28] <greaser|q> "[22:13:31] [OpenComputers-Computer-2/INFO]: [java.lang.Throwable$WrappedPrintStream:println:748]: java.lang.RuntimeException: ifetch with IsC is not supported"

L1135[17:12:58] <greaser|q> ^ unfortunately it doesn't really explain why the text is shot, but i guess that points out one bug

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L1138[17:17:37] <greaser|q> if i emulate the isolated icache it locks up at that point anyway

L1139[17:30:05] <gamax92> :/

L1140[17:30:13] <gamax92> can't get LuaJ to boot again.

L1141[17:30:21] <CompanionCube> lol, found a boot disk so old it uses the *minix* filesystem for linux

L1142[17:32:46] <Temia> wow.

L1143[17:32:55] <Temia> That's pretty ancient.

L1144[17:33:13] <CompanionCube> downloaded it from http://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/contrib/obsolete/rescue/fermi/original.images/tomsrtbt/

L1145[17:33:24] <greaser|q> wait, tomsrtbt used the minix fs?!

L1146[17:33:37] <CompanionCube> '2.2.20ext3 (root@conn6m) #6 Thu May 2 12:00:25 2002'

L1147[17:33:55] <CompanionCube> that's what file identified one of the segments as

L1148[17:33:56] <greaser|q> it probably used it so it could cram all that shit in

L1149[17:34:27] <greaser|q> tomsrtbt requires a floppy disk formatted with extra sectors

L1150[17:34:34] <greaser|q> 21 sectors per track side instead of 18

L1151[17:35:42] <CompanionCube> whatever it is, it's a valid minix filesystem

L1152[17:35:50] <CompanionCube> because I just mounted it

L1153[17:37:08] <CompanionCube> bz2bzImage: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 2.2.20ext3 (root@conn6m) #6 Thu May 2 12:00:25 2002, RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x3002, Normal VGA

L1154[17:40:00] <greaser|q> hmm, i wonder if gcc optimises for the MIPS cache

L1155[17:40:28] <greaser|q> probably not

L1156[17:40:36] <greaser|q> it's too much of a special case to shove into the linker

L1157[17:41:11] <greaser|q> basically, for a 16KB icache the lower 14 bits indicate which cache line to use

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L1162[18:06:15] <Kodos> Sooo who wants to update a program I wroet for me

L1163[18:06:16] <Kodos> wrote*

L1164[18:09:56] <reinei> I'm off, bye

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L1168[18:25:29] <Izaya> .p

L1169[18:25:31] <Izaya> #p

L1170[18:25:33] <^v4> Ping reply from Izaya 3.43s

L1171[18:25:35] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 4.008850995 Seconds passed.

L1172[18:25:41] <Mimiru> gj...

L1173[18:25:48] <Mimiru> %msp Izaya

L1174[18:25:50] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Izaya 849.0ms

L1175[18:34:28] <greaser|q> hmm, come to think of it, filesystem would be a bit of a shit to get working on hardbus

L1176[18:34:32] <greaser|q> but drive would be great

L1177[18:36:53] * vifino picks up Lizzy and carries her to bed

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L1181[18:55:48] <Temia> Maybe unmanaged-only disk access would be the best way to go?

L1182[19:19:00] <CompanionCube> lol, the first ever commit of the owncloud core repository is 'test'

L1183[19:19:41] <payo-remote> CompanionCube: you use owncloud?

L1184[19:19:52] <CompanionCube> no, but I want to set one up at some point

L1185[19:20:19] <payo-remote> ive been hosting an owncloud service for friends+family for a couple years, about 10 accounts

L1186[19:21:08] <payo-remote> i really like what it provides, and i really dislike how it works :)

L1187[19:21:19] <payo-remote> so, yeah...

L1188[19:21:54] <CompanionCube> is it because PHP

L1189[19:22:06] <payo-remote> the big problems all seem to come from that reason, yes

L1190[19:22:26] <payo-remote> for example, a user can't upload more then 3 or 4 files per segment of time

L1191[19:22:38] <payo-remote> i forget the timings, but basically, there is a serious bottleneck on # of files

L1192[19:22:47] <payo-remote> and i have 2 users with 10s of thousands of files

L1193[19:22:52] <payo-remote> 1 has like 130k files

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L1196[19:57:10] <Mimiru> "Loading initial ramdisk ..."

L1197[19:57:12] <Mimiru> Thanks Arch

L1198[19:59:28] <Mimiru> I don't think this should take 10+ minutes

L1199[20:02:14] <Temia> uhhh

L1200[20:02:15] <Temia> no.

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L1202[20:04:31] <Mimiru> K, guess I'm setting up my own arch install after all

L1203[20:04:32] <gamax92> this sausage is so fatty that by the time all the grease floods out of it, it crumbles apart

L1204[20:33:07] <Mimiru> Fucking christ

L1205[20:34:36] <Mimiru> The actual fucking shit is this?

L1206[20:36:05] <Mimiru> Fuck this, OpenFM can just not work on Arch

L1207[20:41:13] <Kodos> So vifino isn't crazy?

L1208[20:41:44] <Mimiru> I don't know, and I'm all out of "Give a fucks"

L1209[20:42:09] <Mimiru> Lizzy setup a VBox appliance and it won't boot, so I was going to install Arch my self in VBox, and... no fuck that shit

L1210[20:50:42] <Izaya> I'll try it when I get home if you want

L1211[20:50:54] <snowden89> arch wont work, with openFM

L1212[20:50:57] <snowden89> why?

L1213[20:51:37] <Izaya> that's what we're trying to find out, I think

L1214[20:55:06] <Mimiru> ^

L1215[20:55:25] <Mimiru> I have no idea why vifino has issues with it in Arch, and without a working arch system to test it on I can't attempt to fix it

L1216[20:55:45] <Izaya> what sound system is it built against?

L1217[20:56:02] <Izaya> I think vifino uses JACK, and I use ALSA, but many mainstream distros use PulseAudio

L1218[20:56:25] <Mimiru> It uses javax stuff, and javazoom, with mp3 and ogg SPIs

L1219[20:56:38] <Mimiru> I don't interface directly with the audio stuff, I use java

L1220[20:56:46] <Izaya> probably sane

L1221[20:56:53] <Izaya> guess we'll see how well that works

L1222[20:56:58] <Mimiru> vifino used the JavaZoom GUI player, and it worked fine

L1223[20:57:00] <Mimiru> so, IDK

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L1226[21:19:34] <Mimiru> But yeah, OFM works fine in Windows, Ubuntu, and Fedora

L1227[21:19:49] <Mimiru> Not sure why it'd fail on Arch, and it seems Gentoo but I'm not sure on that

L1228[21:27:40] <snowden89> hey random details? ofm do you mean the mod for it in minecraft?

L1229[21:28:06] <Mimiru> Wanna run that by me again?

L1230[21:28:33] <snowden89> when you say openfm/

L1231[21:28:46] <snowden89> are you referring to the implementation in minecraft?

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L1233[21:29:24] <Mimiru> I'm refering to the mod I wrote that lets you play streaming radio from shoutcast, and icecast compatible streaming servers

L1234[21:29:33] <Mimiru> https://github.com/PC-Logix/OpenFM

L1235[21:29:51] <snowden89> ah ok cool was just making sure.

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L1237[21:31:35] <snowden89> i was thinking of the same thing

L1238[21:31:54] <snowden89> lol played with the mod, previously its nice :P

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L1240[21:35:09] <simplify3> tnx 4 this. now to get my 11 yr old nephew into the magic of VMs. I'm ancient (44) - just installed this mod tonite. Brings me back to 90s. Nicely done.

L1241[21:36:07] <Izaya> huh, TIL my phone has a 64-bit ARM processor

L1242[21:36:11] <Izaya> I thought it was a cheap 32-bit one

L1243[21:36:13] <Izaya> there you go

L1244[21:36:17] <snowden89> lol alas

L1245[21:36:30] <snowden89> its still slow

L1246[21:36:36] <snowden89> after three months average usage

L1247[21:36:46] <snowden89> but i blame that on other things really

L1248[21:36:58] <Izaya> it even has hardware virt

L1249[21:36:59] <snowden89> I want to get me a new single board computer

L1250[21:37:19] <snowden89> but i am not sure if the samsung octa core arm chip

L1251[21:37:29] <snowden89> is the choice i am after yet.

L1252[21:37:48] <snowden89> but i feel they should be getting there in performance to host local modded minecraft.

L1253[21:37:52] <Izaya> Exynos 7?

L1254[21:39:00] <snowden89> Samsung Exynos 5422 octa-core processors with four Cortex-A15 CPU cores and four ARM Cortex-A7 cores

L1255[21:39:09] <snowden89> dat model at the moment

L1256[21:39:12] <snowden89> is one

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L1258[21:46:50] <simplify3> <- made a Vine [ Kenneth Udut ] - got 13554 followers - might inspire a few to dig deeper into their Minecraft capabilities

L1259[21:47:31] <simplify3> tnx again - gushing here - k ::: poof :::

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L1261[21:51:01] <snowden89> well that was random

L1262[21:52:49] <greaser|q> that was basically spam

L1263[21:53:06] <greaser|q> and probably explains how he got 13554 followers

L1264[21:53:30] <snowden89> yeah i know just random initial conversation

L1265[21:53:52] <Mimiru> ¬_¬

L1266[21:54:09] <snowden89> about being 40 liking the mod for reminding him how PCs used to be like

L1267[21:54:14] <greaser|q> seems to be hand-delivered spam though

L1268[21:54:16] <snowden89> comment about virtual machines

L1269[21:54:27] <snowden89> for his 11 yr relative

L1270[21:54:30] <snowden89> then vine

L1271[21:54:40] <snowden89> what 40 year old releases vine/

L1272[21:55:22] <snowden89> i thought Vine was all about small short, looped videos

L1273[21:55:35] <snowden89> accerated base tour?

L1274[21:55:41] <greaser|q> a /whowas reveals he's been in and out, once on webchat, the rest within OC

L1275[21:55:44] <snowden89> accelerated base tours

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L1277[21:56:08] <greaser|q> running the whois program resolves the IP to florida so i guess he's probably just... idunno

L1278[21:56:21] <snowden89> oh makes perfect sense

L1279[21:56:29] <snowden89> florida.... *shudders*

L1280[21:56:37] <Mimiru> …

L1281[21:56:41] <snowden89> lol

L1282[21:56:46] <Mimiru> <-- is From Florida

L1283[21:56:51] <greaser|q> at this rate i'd say he's probably a real person and the next time he comes in we need to tell him to stick around

L1284[21:57:46] <snowden89> never been there but i randomly hear interesting news from that area

L1285[21:58:07] <greaser|q> from what i gather it's one of those states where spanish is a really useful language to know

L1286[21:58:11] <greaser|q> i *think* they get the cubans

L1287[21:58:41] <snowden89> and old people like to walk around in hawaian shirts?

L1288[21:58:44] <snowden89> or is that cali?

L1289[21:59:18] <greaser|q> that might be cali, i've not been to either though

L1290[21:59:37] <greaser|q> i've heard that miami, FL is a shithole

L1291[21:59:51] <Mimiru> No, FL gets the Cubans.... it'd be hard to get to Cali from Cuba

L1292[22:00:01] <Mimiru> :P

L1293[22:00:05] <Mimiru> But yes

L1294[22:00:05] <greaser|q> i mean the hawaiian shirts

L1295[22:00:13] <Mimiru> I know.. it was a joke lol

L1296[22:00:40] <greaser|q> but yeah, i've heard the weather in miami is always hot and shitty and you're reasonably likely to get mugged

L1297[22:00:46] <greaser|q> muggy in two senses?

L1298[22:01:02] <Mimiru> South Fl might get the shirts... I was in Jacksonville, any more north and you're in Georgia

L1299[22:01:30] <Mimiru> I miss the beach

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L1301[22:02:01] <S3> WOW.

L1302[22:02:11] <Mimiru> Ohai

L1303[22:02:18] <S3> gamax92: so it just so happens that FPGAs are some of the easiest circuits to build.

L1304[22:02:32] <Mimiru> Sorry, I shot gamax

L1305[22:02:36] <S3> makes me wonder if it'd be useful to write an FPGA core in Lua for OC

L1306[22:04:48] <S3> I used to think that an FPGA was a very complicated array of either accumulator like gate cells or arrangements of gates of different purposes

L1307[22:04:58] <S3> but it just so happens that an FPGA is 99% RAM.

L1308[22:05:30] <S3> and this is why you see FPGAs based on ARM, PowerPC, etc cores.

L1309[22:19:42] <greaser|q> i'm not sure what the hardest aspect of a lua fpga core would be

L1310[22:19:54] <greaser|q> i'm guessing string handling would be one

L1311[22:20:38] <snowden89> i think it sounds cool and all.

L1312[22:20:49] <snowden89> but i honestly dont know what i would do

L1313[22:20:54] <snowden89> with one in real list

L1314[22:20:57] <snowden89> life*

L1315[22:21:04] <snowden89> like what could i use it for

L1316[22:21:16] <snowden89> controller for flashing LEDs?

L1317[22:22:00] <snowden89> same for eeproms and such

L1318[22:22:23] <snowden89> it sounds like fun making things at that level but i have no idea of projects to do with it

L1319[22:22:48] <snowden89> tis why i stick with my rpiB+ and beaglebone black

L1320[22:23:01] <S3> why would string handling even be a thing? :P

L1321[22:23:24] <greaser|q> because strings are a compulsory part of lua

L1322[22:23:43] <S3> snowden89: FPGAs are great for creating MMUs or decoders or SoC + microcontroller setups

L1323[22:24:03] <S3> greaser|q: yes, but they aren't of FPGAs

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L1325[22:24:50] <greaser|q> ah fuck i found out why linux was broken in ocmips, thank you git diff

L1326[22:25:02] <S3> lol!

L1327[22:25:07] <S3> mips64!

L1328[22:25:28] <greaser|q> this is definitely mips32 right now

L1329[22:25:46] <S3> wait what

L1330[22:25:46] <greaser|q> but yeah turns out when i was converting some code to use a read/write interface that has virtual addresses

L1331[22:25:54] <S3> you actually got it to mips32 standard?

L1332[22:25:59] <greaser|q> no, just mips-I

L1333[22:26:03] <S3> oh

L1334[22:26:03] <S3> lol

L1335[22:26:10] <S3> got me shocked for a moment

L1336[22:26:16] <greaser|q> the issue here, i accidentally removed the thing that XOR'd by 3

L1337[22:26:26] <greaser|q> i do have the MMU working though, and am trying to get the cache working

L1338[22:29:00] <snowden89> S3: i know what they can be used for

L1339[22:29:06] <snowden89> i just dont know what i could use them for.

L1340[22:29:15] <greaser|q> i don't think i'll support unisolated swapped caches though

L1341[22:29:41] <greaser|q> i've also realised that once i've got linux to behave again i'll need to fix up mocha as that assumes there is no cache

L1342[22:29:51] <snowden89> going through a c++ book for jogging memory and stuff

L1343[22:30:09] <snowden89> i am suprised almost a chapter in and still has not touched on classes

L1344[22:30:16] <snowden89> just functions

L1345[22:30:35] <Kodos> http://i.imgur.com/XHZ5abW.gifv Lol

L1346[22:30:57] <snowden89> also have not dealt with much pointers

L1347[22:31:10] <snowden89> but yay recursive so far.

L1348[22:32:10] <greaser|q> oh right, apparently the IsC bit isolates the D-cache, not the I-cache

L1349[22:33:21] <greaser|q> "[03:34:15] [OpenComputers-Computer-2/INFO]: [java.lang.Throwable$WrappedPrintStream:println:748]: java.lang.RuntimeException: SwC ifetch not supported"

L1350[22:33:22] <greaser|q> fuck

L1351[22:33:28] <greaser|q> i do NOT want to have to support this

L1352[22:33:32] <greaser|q> it'll slow down the emulation

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L1354[22:36:45] <greaser|q> well ok, it seems to be mostly back to normal... but linux is telling me that there's no cache

L1355[22:37:26] <S3> heh

L1356[22:37:40] <S3> did you implent the wrong kind of cache?

L1357[22:37:52] <greaser|q> how so?

L1358[22:38:01] <greaser|q> the D-cache is write-through like it's supposed to be

L1359[22:38:08] <S3> I see

L1360[22:38:28] <S3> I just though there are a thousand ways to implement memory caching in a cpu

L1361[22:38:58] <greaser|q> you'd be pretty much right, it's just that AFAIK for MIPS-I there's a very specific way to do it

L1362[22:39:06] <greaser|q> which is documented rather well

L1363[22:39:12] <S3> cool

L1364[22:39:49] <S3> knock knock

L1365[22:40:12] <S3> (It's semi related)

L1366[22:40:24] <greaser|q> who's there

L1367[22:40:33] <S3> predictive branching

L1368[22:40:40] <greaser|q> predictive branching who

L1369[22:40:53] <S3> (that was the joke)

L1370[22:41:20] <greaser|q> (it kinda flew over my head unfortunately)

L1371[22:41:29] <greaser|q> (unless the joke is that it takes a long time)

L1372[22:41:47] <S3> `I guess it may not be funny if you don't know a lot about cpu architecture design, but I figured you of all people would get it

L1373[22:41:58] <greaser|q> nice thing about MIPS-I is there's no predictive branching

L1374[22:42:32] <greaser|q> you just load your branch, and then run the next instruction, and then you end up finishing the branch

L1375[22:42:35] <S3> on some architectures predictive branching is so bad that itl either take forever to come back or itl never come back at all if it isn't a correct guess.

L1376[22:42:41] <greaser|q> ah righty

L1377[22:42:46] <greaser|q> MIPS-III afaik has predictive

L1378[22:42:53] <S3> heheh

L1379[22:42:58] <greaser|q> ARMv4 and earlier don't, they just flush the pipeline

L1380[22:43:10] <greaser|q> well actually not sure if it's predictive

L1381[22:43:20] <greaser|q> i think MIPS-III does let you mark something as "likely" though

L1382[22:43:43] <S3> predictive branching is kind of dangerous because if a program is not written with it in mind, then there is a chance the cpu will spend more time doing its jumps on average and will slow the program significantly rather than speed it up

L1383[22:43:47] <greaser|q> or was it MIPS-II, i just happen to know that the R4xxx series lets you do it

L1384[22:43:59] <S3> program being in assembly of course bug

L1385[22:44:01] <S3> but*

L1386[22:44:06] <greaser|q> well, the likely thing, and also that it can cost you 3 ifetches or something

L1387[22:44:50] <greaser|q> the most basic case of predictive branching is if you're going forwards it's usually unlikely and if you're going backwards it's usually a loop

L1388[22:45:29] <S3> I like things to be consistent rather than fast. That is one reason I don't like x86, it's all dynamic memory, and lots of time is wasted and opcode throughput through the pipeline isn't consistent

L1389[22:46:01] <S3> a memory read could take 6 cycles or 10 cycles or..

L1390[22:46:30] <greaser|q> x86 these days is basically the enemy of consistency

L1391[22:46:32] <S3> and is exactly why a 2Mhz 6502 is much faster than a 5 Mhz 8080 operating solely on RAM access

L1392[22:46:54] <greaser|q> eh i'd say that's not exactly why

L1393[22:47:05] <S3> well

L1394[22:47:30] <greaser|q> the reason why the 6502 is faster is because memory accesses generally take 1 cycle on the 6502 whereas, ok, i'll use the Z80 instead of the 8080 for comparison: minimum access time is 3 cycles

L1395[22:47:35] <greaser|q> 2/1 > 5/3

L1396[22:47:41] <S3> it's all static ranm

L1397[22:47:44] <S3> ram*

L1398[22:47:52] <S3> also most instructions on a 6502 only take a cycle

L1399[22:47:57] <S3> which is really nice.

L1400[22:48:09] <greaser|q> the Z80's timing is consistent, it's just not as easy to calculate as a 6502's

L1401[22:48:36] <S3> if the 6502 had a barrel shifter it would have been unmatched :D

L1402[22:48:47] <greaser|q> also i think i calculated that if you take a branch more than 40% of the time, you should use JP, otherwise you should use JR

L1403[22:49:04] <greaser|q> did you mean 8088 and not 8080

L1404[22:49:14] <S3> without the barrel shifter, a 6502 takes 6 cycles natively to bitshift by 6 on memory, and I may have meant the 8088

L1405[22:49:24] <S3> the 8xxx chip took ~36

L1406[22:49:24] <greaser|q> yeah because the 8080 is a bit simpler

L1407[22:50:05] <greaser|q> you do mean ROR twice and then mask out the bits, right?

L1408[22:50:44] <greaser|q> also i'm not sure how common a 6502 with the ROR bug is, but i do recall a post where someone got a hold of one of those chips and found out the problem

L1409[22:50:56] <greaser|q> AFAIK it was doing a different shift op

L1410[22:51:29] <greaser|q> but yeah i'd say that a not-quite-1MHz 6502 in a C64 is faster than a ~4.77MHz 8088 in an IBM 5150

L1411[22:51:33] <S3> there is a 6502 chip that had a bug like that iirc but I think rockwell fixed it.

L1412[22:51:47] <greaser|q> i keep thinking this was before rockwell

L1413[22:52:09] <S3> yeah these were MOS bugs

L1414[22:54:13] <greaser|q> not sure how a NEC V20 compares with an 8088 at the same clock rate but i do have a 95LX and that has a NEC V20 in it

L1415[22:54:31] <greaser|q> the V20 is basically an 80186 and an 8080 combined

L1416[22:54:37] <greaser|q> and no that's not a typo

L1417[22:54:47] <greaser|q> although i suspect it may have an 8-bit external bus

L1418[22:55:09] <greaser|q> fun thing, the open bus for memory addresses on that is the low 8 bits of the address

L1419[22:55:17] <greaser|q> for I/O i think it was 0x00

L1420[22:56:09] <greaser|q> oh and if you actually have a 95LX i may or may not have notes on how to access the paging but there's 4 16KB pages into RAM and ROM @ segments 0xE000, 0xE400, 0xE800, 0xEC00

L1421[22:56:42] <greaser|q> the I/O ports i don't quite remember but there were 8 8-bit ones in pairs, the "low" byte selected the page, the "high" byte selected the memory group

L1422[22:56:51] <greaser|q> i think it was 0x00 for ROM, 0x02 for RAM

L1423[22:56:56] <greaser|q> the memory wraps

L1424[22:57:35] <greaser|q> for extra fun, segment 0xB000 maps to i think 0x10000 physical, it DOES map to main system RAM somewhere

L1425[22:59:50] <Shuudoushi> the fuck? http://i.imgur.com/qyEUneA.webm

L1426[23:01:14] <greaser|q> oh sweet someone made it into that

L1427[23:01:46] <greaser|q> it's basically this: http://trollpasta.wikia.com/wiki/I_Sexually_Identify_As_An_Attack_Helicopter

L1428[23:03:03] <snowden89> was wondering

L1429[23:03:09] <snowden89> drawing ascii art

L1430[23:03:18] <snowden89> that moves should be simple right

L1431[23:03:28] <snowden89> its just a loop with clear inbetween

L1432[23:03:31] <snowden89> each "frame"

L1433[23:03:39] <snowden89> as long as the width does not change

L1434[23:04:09] <snowden89> as in # colored for each pixel

L1435[23:04:41] <snowden89> basically convert, webcam to ascii output.

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L1438[23:16:44] <gamax92> Sangar: you about?

L1439[23:17:44] <payo-remote> hi gamax92

L1440[23:17:50] <gamax92> hi ...

L1441[23:18:00] <payo-remote> ... ?

L1442[23:18:03] <payo-remote> :(

L1443[23:18:07] <gamax92> :/

L1444[23:18:12] <payo-remote> s/i .../i!/

L1445[23:18:13] <MichiBot> <gamax92> hi!

L1446[23:18:18] <payo-remote> mm, better

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L1448[23:20:04] <gamax92> payo-remote: I can't get LuaJ to work

L1449[23:20:20] <gamax92> is just giving me a "bad file descriptor" error or something like it

L1450[23:20:22] <payo-remote> can't fix that bug? or can't get LuaJ to work at all?

L1451[23:20:28] <gamax92> at all

L1452[23:20:31] <payo-remote> :/

L1453[23:20:38] <gamax92> EEPROM boots but then file stuff is failing

L1454[23:21:02] <gamax92> but I think I fixed that issue, just can't test it :/

L1455[23:22:04] <gamax92> it's pretty simple actually, in lua 5.2 the only place __pairs and __ipairs are check are in the baselib pairs and ipairs functions, so all I did was add the checks in LuaJ's pairs and ipairs functions

L1456[23:22:27] <payo-remote> is ipairs depracated for 5.3?

L1457[23:22:33] <payo-remote> __ipairs, specifically

L1458[23:22:39] <gamax92> yes iirc

L1459[23:22:45] <gamax92> but LuaJ is 5.2

L1460[23:22:49] <payo-remote> oh ok

L1461[23:23:24] * gamax92 checks

L1462[23:24:20] <gamax92> ahh okay

L1463[23:24:23] <payo-remote> i'm down to one bug of the 4 or 5 wocchat made evident

L1464[23:24:29] <payo-remote> so that's good :)

L1465[23:24:54] <gamax92> so in 5.3, ipairs will look specifically for __index and if it's there, use a special ipairsaux/inext that calls __index, else the normal version

L1466[23:29:24] <gamax92> payo-remote: do you want to try the LuaJ thing?

L1467[23:29:25] <payo-remote> one if the hard bugs that took me the most effort and failed attempts -- turned out to be pretty much, oh, that entire help method i wrote...should be removed, and early return instead of calling it

L1468[23:29:34] <payo-remote> do i have to compile oc?

L1469[23:29:39] <gamax92> nah

L1470[23:29:50] <payo-remote> ok, sure, what do i replace in the jar?

L1471[23:30:24] <gamax92> well, you could compile oc-luaj (is very fast), then extract the jar it makes and then dump it in an oc jar, ... or just delete luaj from the oc jar and then add luaj's to the mods folder

L1472[23:30:31] <gamax92> for me the latter is easier

L1473[23:31:15] <payo-remote> i'm not preped for ANY compiling for oc nor java

L1474[23:31:23] <payo-remote> so the latter is easier for me as well :)

L1475[23:31:34] <gamax92> you still have to compile for the latter

L1476[23:31:38] <gamax92> I can also just give you jars

L1477[23:31:51] <payo-remote> that's what i was assuming ^

L1478[23:32:19] <gamax92> great, jenkins is down

L1479[23:33:33] <gamax92> 502 Proxy Error

L1480[23:33:50] <gamax92> %tell Sangar ci.cil.li gives "502 Proxy Error"

L1481[23:33:50] <MichiBot> gamax92: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.

L1482[23:37:08] <greaser|q> ok, i've worked out that apparently linux DOES require emulation of fetching instructions from D-cache (SwC=1)

L1483[23:37:32] <gamax92> linux is fancy

L1484[23:38:12]

<jhagrid7> Yes it is, it also sucks with playing games such as MC on with a 4GB of memory.

L1485[23:38:17]

<jhagrid7> Stupid laptop! xD

L1486[23:38:31] <gamax92> I've played MC on 1GB of memory

L1487[23:38:37] <greaser|q> i've played it on 2GB

L1488[23:38:41] <greaser|q> and i've got it playing on 4GB

L1489[23:39:22]

<jhagrid7> I only have 3.8 avaliable to use (guess linux needs .2GB for system) and the modpack we run requires 2GB.

L1490[23:39:56] <greaser|q> the trick is to not have firefox or chrome open at the same time ;)

L1491[23:40:10]

<jhagrid7> I don't I use to try though xD

L1492[23:40:12] <greaser|q> and that .2GB is probably your integrated gfx

L1493[23:40:31]

<jhagrid7> GFX?

L1494[23:40:34] <greaser|q> the fun thing with that .2GB though is it's almost completely unnecessary

L1495[23:40:37] <greaser|q> your integrated GPU

L1496[23:40:51] <greaser|q> but yeah, these days at least intel GPUs let you just access anywhere in main system RAM

L1497[23:40:54]

<jhagrid7> Ahh, yeah.

L1498[23:41:11]

<jhagrid7> It's a 2nd gen i3 so yeah.

L1499[23:41:13] <greaser|q> any intel GPU which doesn't let you is usually a smouldering sack of shit

L1500[23:41:20] <greaser|q> ah right, that's a respectable GPU

L1501[23:41:40] <greaser|q> HD 2000? or do they just call it "Intel HD Graphics" (which is an HD 2000 w/o the H264 decoding OSLT)

L1502[23:41:41]

<jhagrid7> 4000 right?

L1503[23:41:46] <greaser|q> no that's third gen

L1504[23:41:49] <greaser|q> wait hmm

L1505[23:41:55] <greaser|q> what's the number after the i3?

L1506[23:41:59] <greaser|q> i have an i5-2450M

L1507[23:42:10]

<jhagrid7> i3-2550M

L1508[23:42:10] <gamax92> payo-remote: http://tempsend.com/3E93E7997A

L1509[23:42:16]

<jhagrid7> or something like that.

L1510[23:42:17] <greaser|q> yeah that's definitely not an HD 4000

L1511[23:42:24] <greaser|q> wrong generation

L1512[23:42:27]

<jhagrid7> It's a pain to find on Arc

L1513[23:43:08] <greaser|q> ah righty, it apparently has an HD 3000, which is what i have

L1514[23:43:15] <greaser|q> that can raytrace at 720p at a reasonable FPS

L1515[23:43:29]

<jhagrid7> Intel(c) Core i3-3250M CPU @ 2.30GHz x2

L1516[23:43:33] <greaser|q> if people call it a toaster, feel free to throw them into a bath with a plugged in toaster

L1517[23:43:40] <greaser|q> oh right

L1518[23:43:43]

<jhagrid7> (It's a four core but it says two...)

L1519[23:43:45] <gamax92> what a toaster.

L1520[23:44:19] <greaser|q> ok that's an HD 2500

L1521[23:44:21]

<jhagrid7> Graphics Card: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller

L1522[23:44:26] <greaser|q> and it's a two-core two-thread

L1523[23:44:27] <greaser|q> afaik

L1524[23:44:32] <greaser|q> 2 x 2 = 4

L1525[23:44:50] <greaser|q> yeah the dickheads who make the drivers never tell you exactly which GPU it is

L1526[23:44:53]

<jhagrid7> Ahh, never understood how it worked.

L1527[23:44:57] <gamax92> 2x2 is actually equal to 4x

L1528[23:45:12] <payo-remote> firefox really didn't want me to download that :/ -- wget got it

L1529[23:45:13] <greaser|q> so yeah, 2 real cores, and each core has 2 threads

L1530[23:45:23] <greaser|q> i don't know how the HD 2500 compares with the HD 3000

L1531[23:45:32] <greaser|q> but it SHOULD handle Vulkan

L1532[23:45:54]

<jhagrid7> Oh jeez, use 2GB for MC, looks like my swap is coming in, cause it's ultra slow right now.

L1533[23:45:55] <payo-remote> gamax92: you also packaged the oc universal jar

L1534[23:46:04] <payo-remote> gamax92: so what do i need to do with the oc-luaj.jar ?

L1535[23:46:09] <gamax92> nothing, put both in mods

L1536[23:46:20] <payo-remote> oh ok

L1537[23:46:23] <gamax92> the oc jar doesn't have luaj in it

L1538[23:46:28] <payo-remote> ah

L1539[23:46:28] <gamax92> hence the external one

L1540[23:47:25] <payo-remote> so firefox kept telling me the jar wasn't trusted. it's never complained before :) like jars and zips from curse

L1541[23:48:25] <payo-remote> yep, fixed

L1542[23:49:53]

<jhagrid7> When your in creative, but have the urge to craft xD

L1543[23:54:40] <greaser|q> what about my in

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L1546[23:58:47] <snowden89> payo-remote: .jars always where flagged in my firefox

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L1548[23:59:07] <snowden89> for minecraft mods atleast

L1549[23:59:42] <snowden89> for anything from curse atleast

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