OCLogs: 2016-02-17.log

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L13[02:28:46] <julien> i wrote a date/time clock (my first program) that doesnt use os.date, Im worndering in there a way to make an RTC

L14[02:30:12] <Inari> well there are no functions returning the real time if you mean that... you could fetch it via internet though

L15[02:31:12] <julien> oh didnt thik of that

L16[02:31:18] <julien> thanks

L17[02:34:16] <Inari> though you might want to sync it now and then

L18[02:34:29] <Inari> or not sure if you can get a non-tick influenced value in OC

L19[02:34:35] <Inari> because with lag it'll get desycned xD

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L22[02:37:42] * Lizzy groans

L23[02:38:02] <Inari> Lizzy may or may not have more insight into that

L24[02:38:17] <Lizzy> no i have just got up

L25[02:38:40] <Inari> yeah

L26[02:38:42] <Inari> hence you're up now

L27[02:38:53] * Inari hands Lizzy a syringe with caffeeine

L28[02:38:55] <Inari> just inject that

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L33[02:44:53] <julien_> does the internet card support NTP

L34[02:45:17] <Lizzy> it supports raw sockets

L35[02:45:23] <Lizzy> (tcp only)

L36[02:45:50] <Saphire> ^

L37[02:46:11] <Saphire> julien_: ntp is just a protocol

L38[02:46:29] <Saphire> Like http, telnet, ftp, ssh..

L39[02:46:52] <Saphire> well, telnet isn't much of a protocol xD

L40[02:47:15] <julien_> ya all I kno about it is that its how I get the time

L41[02:48:03] <Inari> well

L42[02:48:07] <Inari> except NTP usually uses UDP

L43[02:48:08] <Inari> so

L44[02:48:17] <julien_> so if not NTP then how?

L45[02:49:28] <Inari> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Protocol ?

L46[02:50:05] <Inari> or you could just parse some website that displays the time :P you dont need to sync that often usually anyway

L47[02:55:59] <julien_> cool thanks

L48[02:56:27] <sugoi> #lua return not not ({} and 4)

L49[02:56:27] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > true

L50[02:56:32] <sugoi> #lua return not not (nil and 4)

L51[02:56:33] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > false

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L54[03:09:59] <Lizzy> right, off to work

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L56[03:16:56] <Turtle> o/

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L59[03:27:58] <Inari> that was a short turtling

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L66[03:52:04] <Noire> hi all

L67[03:57:24] <Noire> is any1 here?

L68[03:57:32] <Izaya> no

L69[03:59:15] <Noire> sangar is offline now?

L70[04:01:33] <Izaya> [Sangar] is away: off

L71[04:01:34] <Izaya> looks like it

L72[04:03:30] <Inari> why?

L73[04:05:08] <Saphire> Noire: don't bug devs at any problem with a mod, please

L74[04:05:21] <Saphire> What's up?

L75[04:06:11] <Saphire> gah, that sounded horrible and rude :/

L76[04:07:19] <Saphire> I mean, don't go right to devs if you have some problem, ask around first?

L77[04:08:37] <Noire> I have a requst 4 mod :}

L78[04:08:43] <Lizzy> o/

L79[04:08:52] <Noire> so, can you implement player-like actions of robot?

L80[04:09:06] <Lizzy> define 'player-like actions'

L81[04:09:15] <Noire> i mean right-clicking, and others

L82[04:09:28] <Noire> well, i have a plugin to protect land from grief

L83[04:09:59] <Noire> and i have requested implementing UUID thing to the block breaking to sangar

L84[04:10:08] <Noire> he made it ^^

L85[04:10:33] <Lizzy> the robot is also a fake player, IIRC it's name is usually PLAYERWHOPLACED_robot, it's in the configs

L86[04:10:37] <Noire> but now here is another problem - robot can wrench machines by a IC2 wrench, open door and other

L87[04:11:05] <Noire> well, its actions is made by a player name?

L88[04:11:07] <Noire> its strange

L89[04:11:17] <Noire> it is*

L90[04:11:50] <Lizzy> I'm not sure what it is, you'll have to check the config but by default the fake player name includes something to signify who placed it in the first place

L91[04:12:33] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/7k2rif1.jpg

L92[04:13:33] <Noire> fakeplayer setup is $player$ in my config

L93[04:14:05] <Lizzy> okay, then the robots should have the same rights as the players who placed them

L94[04:14:18] <Noire> hmmm.

L95[04:14:34] <Noire> does creative robot has some overpowred rights?

L96[04:14:46] <Noire> including this UUID feature?

L97[04:16:37] <Lizzy> the creative robot should have the same as any other robot, it's just prebuilt and has infinite power because creative computer case to make ot

L98[04:17:45] <Noire> well...

L99[04:18:06] <Noire> thanks for the information! i will try to checkout now

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L102[04:35:43] <Lizzy> #lua string.byte("b")

L103[04:35:43] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 98

L104[04:36:00] <Lizzy> #lua string.format("%X", string.byte("b") )

L105[04:36:01] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 62

L106[04:36:08] <Lizzy> okay then

L107[04:36:39] <Lizzy> #lua string.char( 0x62 )

L108[04:36:40] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > b

L109[04:36:42] <Lizzy> cool

L110[04:39:43] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/xbS86

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L112[04:52:41] <Noire> guys

L113[04:52:53] <Noire> i have disabled robot use()in config

L114[04:53:07] <Noire> but robot can use things, wtf?

L115[05:28:48] <Noire> well, ic2 wrenches are bypassing everything >_>

L116[05:29:22] <Noire> while players cant wrench ic2 machines, robot equipped with wrench does it perfectly

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L118[05:31:00] <Noire> adding IC2 to interaction blacklist have no effect

L119[05:39:50] <Lizzy> i think the ic2 interaction is just for power and methods on components

L120[05:40:24] <Noire> well, i think sangar know what to do

L121[05:41:53] <Noire> my opinion is that robot use function is not fully player-binded

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L123[05:48:13] <Lizzy> have you raised a ticket on the issue tracker?

L124[05:48:53] <Noire> nope, will do

L125[06:03:54] <Noire> okay, issue is on the tracker

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L129[06:23:11] <Noire> maybe it is a common issue for all claiming plugins...

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L131[06:25:40] <Cruor> random Lua question, if i put a table value into a table(foo = {} bar = {foo}), i get a referance right?

L132[06:27:57] * Cruor nods :I

L133[06:31:00] <Noire> how often devs are online here?

L134[06:37:46] <Saphire> >_>

L135[06:38:34] * Saphire looks at Noire

L136[06:38:52] <Saphire> why do i have a feeling that i have seen that before?

L137[06:39:30] * Saphire pokes Noire

L138[06:39:35] <Saphire> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/1533

L139[06:39:40] <Saphire> seems related?

L140[06:42:44] <Noire> maybe

L141[06:43:12] <Noire> but the problem stands still

L142[06:44:49] <Noire> use() and suck() functions are not linked to playername

L143[06:45:47] <Noire> and i think that almighty OC devs can fix it :P

L144[06:47:46] * Saphire sighs

L145[06:48:10] <Noire> >_> ?

L146[06:49:52] <Saphire> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/58de9015c3e6fe1792b0adeb15c32f2df58ab4b7/src/main/scala/li/cil/oc/server/component/traits/InventoryWorldControl.scala#L76 huh

L147[06:51:08] <fingercomp> Noire: which "land protection plugin" is installed on your server?

L148[06:51:20] <Noire> factions

L149[06:51:56] <Noire> Saphire: it is strange, because robot can do things that his owner can`t

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L153[06:53:22] <Noire> inventory.isUseableByPlayer(fakePlayer) ---> this part of code seems strange

L154[06:53:43] <Noire> this action is performing by fakeplayer, or by an owner-player?

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L156[06:58:05] <Mimiru> fakePlayer uses the uuid of the owner

L157[06:58:13] <Mimiru> afaik, anyway

L158[06:59:30] <Chaoschaot234> Hi @all, I want to write my own OCOS and want to aks if there is an option to includ all requiered files in IntellijIDEA or other lua able programm to can write it? (I mean not the mods source self)

L159[06:59:35] <fingercomp> This issue seems to be related to the plugin... WorldGuard, for example, properly blocks OC events in claims

L160[07:00:18] <Noire> well, factions have the same problem with OC

L161[07:01:14] <Noire> robot canot block or place blocks in claimed lands, but can suck and use wrenches improperly

L162[07:01:21] <Noire> cannot*

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L165[07:01:31] <fingercomp> also I've heard about the same problem with GriefPrevention

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L167[07:01:50] <Noire> i think this problem is related to all of the claiming plugins

L168[07:02:31] <Noire> but blockbreaking protection for robot works well...

L169[07:02:37] <fingercomp> WorldGuard, as I said, works as expected

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L171[07:02:52] <Noire> really?

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L173[07:03:22] <fingercomp> I'm playing on a server with this plugin installed

L174[07:04:05] <fingercomp> Robots are not able to use(), suck(), drop() etc in claims

L175[07:04:21] <Chaoschaot234> Or is their a blank OS for OC which can be downloaded and used to create an own OS finaly?

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L178[07:06:43] <Noire> okay, ill try this with worldguard, but only for testing

L179[07:06:58] <Noire> because i don`t want to change factions on WG...

L180[07:07:01] <Noire> :C

L181[07:09:10] <g> MC interoptability is a minefield, really

L182[07:09:22] <g> worldguard is one of the few plugins that does everything right

L183[07:09:31] <g> factions is an awful closed-source mess

L184[07:10:02] <g> well, partially close-source I guess

L185[07:10:06] <g> closed*

L186[07:11:49] <Noire> ehmmm

L187[07:11:56] <Noire> it is opensourc

L188[07:11:58] <Noire> e

L189[07:12:02] <g> the plugin itself is

L190[07:12:05] <g> the storage components are not

L191[07:12:19] <Noire> which components?

L192[07:12:19] <g> last I checked anyway

L193[07:12:22] <g> mstore

L194[07:12:39] <g> also, the devs refuse to provide a maven repo for plugins that want to support it

L195[07:12:49] <Saphire> ._.

L196[07:12:51] <Noire> dayum

L197[07:12:53] <g> instead they're supposed to download the builds from bukkitdev to inflate their curse points

L198[07:13:06] <g> and the api changes with almost every build, so.. yeah

L199[07:13:15] <g> any plugin that successfully manages to work with it is a damn good plugin

L200[07:13:16] <g> :P

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L202[07:13:33] <Noire> this means no fix 4 factions?

L203[07:13:37] <Noire> or what>

L204[07:13:44] <g> just me rambling, really

L205[07:13:57] <g> factions just isn't very well-made and the devs aren't focused on quality

L206[07:14:10] <g> so it's understandable that some things will be broken

L207[07:14:22] <g> especially considering that most plugins aren't designed to be used in a forge environment

L208[07:14:25] <Saphire> Noire: hm.. are you an admin of russian server?

L209[07:14:48] <Saphire> just random question

L210[07:14:52] <Noire> yas

L211[07:15:03] <Noire> yes*

L212[07:15:05] <Saphire> heh, guessed it

L213[07:15:13] <Noire> u googled?

L214[07:15:25] <Noire> ah, no i know why

L215[07:15:40] <Saphire> i thought "hey, that sounds familiar" when you started asking for dev and then about robots being able to do things their players can't

L216[07:15:43] <Noire> only russian server`s admins asking u to fix this griefs?

L217[07:16:07] * Saphire is russian

L218[07:16:12] <Noire> рили?

L219[07:16:13] <Noire> лол

L220[07:16:20] * Saphire has seen enough russian server to know the mentality

L221[07:16:35] <Noire> так ты русский или нет? :D

L222[07:16:36] * g doesn't know any Russian

L223[07:16:40] <Saphire> Агась. Менталитет у всех админов на русских серверах похожий

L224[07:16:49] <Noire> Ну епт.

L225[07:16:58] <Noire> Прост надо как-то чинить, поэтому к вам пришел.

L226[07:17:04] * g sits on Saphire and Noire

L227[07:17:08] <g> try not to alientate the rest of the channel

L228[07:17:09] <g> :P

L229[07:17:10] <Saphire> He asks if i'm russian, i say yes and add the bit about mentality

L230[07:17:55] <Saphire> heh, for some reason the russian MC servers are.. different. They just feels different from any english-speaking servers i have played on

L231[07:18:05] <g> that's kind of interesting

L232[07:18:37] <Noire> its a matter of mentality, yes

L233[07:18:46] <g> although with Russia's net/censorship laws, some change of atmosphere is expected

L234[07:19:01] * Saphire sighs

L235[07:19:12] * Saphire flips the fucking table on those idiots

L236[07:19:22] <g> Hm?

L237[07:19:30] <Saphire> those idiots - the ones in the Duma and other parts of goverment

L238[07:19:36] <g> ah right

L239[07:19:37] * Noire helps Saphire to do it

L240[07:19:48] <Noire> but hey

L241[07:19:49] <Noire> guys

L242[07:20:02] <g> right, yeah, should probably be back on topic xD

L243[07:20:06] <Saphire> those people seems to have no idea what the fuck internet and computers are

L244[07:20:07] <Noire> i think we forgot bout the problem ЖВ

L245[07:20:10] <Noire> :D

L246[07:20:20] <g> Saphire, same problem in most parts of the world unfortunately

L247[07:20:29] <g> russia is just where those people got their way

L248[07:20:33] <Saphire> for them it's just another thing you can grab into the hand

L249[07:20:41] <Saphire> phah

L250[07:20:44] <Noire> and play with

L251[07:20:48] <Saphire> ^

L252[07:21:10] <g> It still sounds better than china, though

L253[07:21:52] <g> I'd tell you a story about state protectionism, but it's probably better to leave that for another time

L254[07:21:52] <g> :P

L255[07:22:12] <g> Noire, do you have any experience with writing bukkit plugins?

L256[07:22:35] <Noire> nope, but i undrstand mechanics of the

L257[07:22:37] <Noire> thm

L258[07:22:44] <g> this is one of those places that I'd recommend diving into code honestly

L259[07:22:57] <g> Looking at what events cauldron is throwing for you, and what events factions is actioning against

L260[07:24:33] <Noire> yeah, i think faction works as a worldguard: blocking block place if it is not permitted

L261[07:24:53] <Noire> by interrupting a PlayerBlockPlace event

L262[07:25:12] <g> well, at its core, I'd imagine so

L263[07:25:23] <g> but given that robots aren't a "real" player, you'd have to look at how it handles that

L264[07:25:42] <g> whether there are some edge cases where it just ignores them for example

L265[07:26:15] <Vexatos> heh, I finally found a program that uses all my CPU cores >_>

L266[07:26:52] <g> Vexatos: handbrake

L267[07:27:13] <Noire> @g dunno, i think there is a way to fix it, because robots are working well with breaking claimed blocks

L268[07:27:15] <alekso56> Cruor: i found a vex

L269[07:27:31] <Noire> maybe code is WG-oriented

L270[07:27:37] <Noire> and works only for it

L271[07:27:37] <g> Noire maybe it's doing something with PlayerInteractEvent?

L272[07:27:48] <Vexatos> g: clamdscan :P

L273[07:27:58] <g> ah, lol

L274[07:28:00] <Vexatos> but yea, ffmpeg and handbrake like to use that too

L275[07:28:07] <Noire> factions have multiple types of protecting land

L276[07:28:10] <Vexatos> but clamdscan apparently is heavily multithreaded which is awesome

L277[07:28:21] <Noire> it provides right-click protection

L278[07:28:22] <g> yeah, that's good to know

L279[07:28:26] <g> I use it for email scanning on my server

L280[07:28:28] <Vexatos> clamscan is not

L281[07:28:30] <g> Noire, that's interact then

L282[07:28:33] <Noire> protection from RMB with wrench

L283[07:28:35] <Vexatos> only the daemon is

L284[07:28:41] <Vexatos> soo yea

L285[07:28:47] <Noire> (but not 4 IC2)

L286[07:28:48] <g> well, I can understand that

L287[07:28:59] <Vexatos> but it also uses 400MB of RAM

L288[07:29:00] <Vexatos> :P

L289[07:29:05] <g> Noire I'd imagine IC2 is cancelling the event though

L290[07:29:11] <g> so you don't actually open the block you're right-clicking

L291[07:29:28] <Vexatos> and I had to run sudo clamdscan -m --fdpass

L292[07:29:29] <Vexatos> >_>

L293[07:29:41] <Noire> yes

L294[07:29:45] <g> it may be manually throwing a different event

L295[07:29:48] <Vexatos> well it is scanning now

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L297[07:29:53] <g> have you checked that?

L298[07:29:54] <Noire> i think factions checks if can i rightclick or not

L299[07:30:03] <Vexatos> Noire, is it only IC2 wrenches?

L300[07:30:06] <Noire> yes

L301[07:30:13] <Noire> only IC2 wrenches

L302[07:30:15] <Vexatos> that is really weird

L303[07:30:28] <g> if you have another wrench mod you could just deny those wrenches

L304[07:30:32] <g> the enderio yotta wrench is nice

L305[07:30:44] <g> yotta? yetta? yatta?

L306[07:30:45] <g> whatever

L307[07:30:49] <fingercomp> yeta

L308[07:30:50] <Noire> but then i wont be able to tune IC2 blocks

L309[07:31:06] <g> What does the ic2 wrench do that other wrenches don't?

L310[07:31:10] <g> they usually support other mods

L311[07:31:20] <Noire> On the other hand i can use IC2 wrench by myself and its not griefing

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L313[07:31:46] <Noire> but when robot does it - it is griefing

L314[07:32:01] <g> can you not just blacklist that wrench from robot use?#

L315[07:32:05] <g> I thought there was a way to do that

L316[07:32:09] <Noire> how?

L317[07:32:18] <g> I don't remember, I thought there was a config for it

L318[07:32:22] <Noire> i put an IC2 to interaction blacklist

L319[07:32:26] <Noire> no effec

L320[07:32:30] <Noire> effect*

L321[07:33:11] <Noire> but we have the suck() issue btw

L322[07:33:39] <g> yeah, that's a harder one to work with

L323[07:34:19] <Noire> eeeehh :C

L324[07:34:20] <MalkContent> something keeps disabling my goddamn keyrepeat

L325[07:34:24] <MalkContent> so annoying

L326[07:34:32] <MalkContent> reload world, it's fixed

L327[07:34:55] <MalkContent> anybody else experiencing this?

L328[07:36:08] <g> Noire well OC fires a player interact event to check that the player is allowed to access the inventory

L329[07:36:20] <g> MalkContent make sure none of your keys are stuck

L330[07:37:27] <MalkContent> like... physically stuck?

L331[07:43:58] <g> Or software repeat stuck

L332[07:44:06] <g> like sometimes shift can get stuck in MC when it's not actually pressed down

L333[07:45:54] <Noire> what means "fires">

L334[07:45:56] <Noire> ?

L335[07:46:21] <Saphire> uh

L336[07:46:23] <Saphire> sec

L337[07:46:48] <MalkContent> tried mashing all the keys already. I'll try that more diligently next time it happens

L338[07:47:01] <Saphire> "подает (событие)" вроде

L339[07:47:04] <Noire> а

L340[07:47:07] <Noire> о как

L341[07:50:00] <Noire> https://github.com/MassiveCraft/Factions/blob/2bcd828e2bd52481c7c6b4ce6f297f741a8ac608/src/com/massivecraft/factions/engine/EngineMain.java#L1664

L342[07:50:04] <Noire> guys

L343[07:50:16] <Noire> chck this

L344[07:51:13] <Turtle> What am I looking at?

L345[07:51:18] <MalkContent> should i add the local prefix to variables in functions?

L346[07:51:40] <Noire> Turtle: it is for Saphire and g

L347[07:51:43] <Turtle> MalkContent, err how do you mean?

L348[07:51:57] <Turtle> local unless you need it global.

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L350[07:52:11] <Saphire> huh

L351[07:52:18] <Noire> well

L352[07:52:25] <Saphire> >if isntplayer return true

L353[07:52:26] <Noire> this is the algorithm of factios

L354[07:52:28] <Saphire> ._.

L355[07:52:30] <MalkContent> so unless i declare a new variable local it's global? :o

L356[07:52:37] <Saphire> rly?

L357[07:52:37] <MalkContent> even inside a function?

L358[07:52:41] <Turtle> yep

L359[07:52:57] <Turtle> you can test it by checking against _G

L360[07:53:13] * Vexatos continues thinking about a good way to implement a sound card in Computronics

L361[07:53:25] <g> Noire, well, not that

L362[07:53:33] <Turtle> errr

L363[07:53:34] <g> however

L364[07:53:38] <Noire> :C

L365[07:53:43] <g> "if (MUtil.isntPlayer(player)) return true;"

L366[07:53:47] <Saphire> ^

L367[07:53:51] <Saphire> that's what i'm pointing out

L368[07:53:56] <Saphire> that is horrible Q_Q

L369[07:54:19] <MalkContent> errr?

L370[07:54:19] <Turtle> ... What IDE does not highlight a ¨You are being a fucking moron here¨ on that?

L371[07:54:30] <Turtle> MalkContent, https://gist.githubusercontent.com/SentientTurtle/d6a72f59fcc5f85a0257/raw/e68edecf48ebb82802776c66cec61d8f7bb5a174/2016-02-17_14-53-53.txt

L372[07:54:35] <g> that's part of massivecore

L373[07:55:03] <Turtle> That´ll print the string defined in the function alright.

L374[07:55:22] <MalkContent> k. locals all around then ^^

L375[07:55:38] <Turtle> yeah it´s recommended you use local unless you NEED something to be global

L376[07:55:39] <g> Noire yeah, it looks like mcore delibarately allows fake players to do that

L377[07:56:12] <Turtle> g I think the problem here is the use of ´if (true) return true;´

L378[07:56:13] <Noire> DAYUM

L379[07:56:30] <g> Turtle there are bigger problems with factions than that

L380[07:56:32] <g> :P

L381[07:56:33] <MalkContent> that's not news to me :)

L382[07:56:34] <Turtle> s/true/boolean/

L383[07:56:35] <MichiBot> <Turtle> g I think the problem here is the use of ´if (boolean) return true;´

L384[07:56:42] <Turtle> ... I goofed at regex xd

L385[07:56:54] <Noire> afk for 5 mins

L386[07:56:58] <g> gotcha Noire

L387[07:57:03] <Turtle> either way, gotta go

L388[07:57:06] <g> o/

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L390[07:57:12] <MalkContent> thanks ;_;

L391[07:57:16] <MalkContent> I'll never forget you

L392[07:57:27] <MalkContent> is what i should have sai

L393[07:57:28] <MalkContent> d

L394[07:58:25] <g> that's not trendy enough

L395[07:58:31] <g> you have to look at the camera and go "Man, fuck that guy"

L396[07:58:39] <g> and then all the teenagers are like YEAH BRUH

L397[07:58:43] <MalkContent> if i have a variable that get's used often, but is only required locally, is it quicker to use a global to skip initial declaration?

L398[07:58:55] <g> how about we don't use globals

L399[07:59:04] <MalkContent> µC

L400[07:59:11] <g> (although, sure, I guess it would be)

L401[08:01:03] <Temia> µ.

L402[08:01:05] <Temia> 'o'

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L404[08:04:12] <MalkContent> hazaa. key-repeat failed again, after shift, alt, etc failed to release it, turned the keyboard around and pressed ALL the buttons -> key-repeat came back

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L406[08:04:32] zsh sets mode: +o on Sangar

L407[08:04:47] <g> MalkContent: New keyboard time!

L408[08:05:04] <MalkContent> nothings physically stuck

L409[08:05:16] <g> Sangar Do you know if mcore (used by factions) correctly identifies robots as non-players?

L410[08:05:17] <MalkContent> getting the suspicion is has it's root in me alt-tabbing

L411[08:05:58] <MalkContent> i don't know how you make logitech get physically stuck anyways

L412[08:06:08] <g> which one is it?

L413[08:06:16] <MalkContent> youd have to pour molten chocolate or joghurt into them and let it fester

L414[08:06:36] <MalkContent> errr. sec

L415[08:06:44] <MalkContent> g110

L416[08:07:43] <g> Got bluestacks?

L417[08:08:14] <MalkContent> i don't think so

L418[08:08:18] * MalkContent googles bluestacks

L419[08:08:23] <g> android emulator

L420[08:08:57] <MalkContent> nop

L421[08:09:01] <g> if you have that or some gamepad remapper, try getting rid of them

L422[08:10:04] <MalkContent> nope. well i have x360ce, but that only starts with games

L423[08:10:24] <MalkContent> afaik

L424[08:10:42] <g> those are the main things that interfere with that keyboard, according to the internets

L425[08:12:35] <MalkContent> I'm just glad to be pretty sure it's a stuck key issue

L426[08:12:42] <MalkContent> gonna find the culprit eventually

L427[08:14:01] <g> well apparently things like that do cause that exact problem

L428[08:14:09] <g> a repeating stuck key until you do something drastic

L429[08:14:22] <g> eg, killing your app, forcing the key to ghost (by mashing the keyboard), or replugging

L430[08:16:03] <Vexatos> hmmmmmmmm

L431[08:16:16] * Vexatos pokes asie

L432[08:16:42] * asie falls over

L433[08:16:48] <Vexatos> hi

L434[08:17:01] <Vexatos> You... don't by chance want to help on working on a concept for a sound card? :P

L435[08:17:09] * asie has fallen over

L436[08:17:55] <g> You poked him to the GROUND

L437[08:18:14] <MalkContent> yea. this is the first i noticed though. and i'm just gonna keep suspecting alt-tabbing as the source of the problem

L438[08:18:21] <MalkContent> until i get a better idea

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L440[08:18:44] <Vexatos> The hardest part is that I need a way to allow the Lua side to do virtually anything

L441[08:18:54] <Vexatos> without the Lua side actually doing it

L442[08:19:11] <Vexatos> because all the synthesis itself has to happen on the client or we'll get packet sizes of doom

L443[08:19:16] <g> why isn't a switch{} on the java side enough?

L444[08:19:25] <Vexatos> switch? switch what

L445[08:19:35] <g> you said you'd need a function for each channel

L446[08:19:40] <g> why can't the channel just be a param to something?

L447[08:19:48] <Vexatos> One idea is to allow defining a function

L448[08:19:50] <Vexatos> the issue is

L449[08:19:55] <Vexatos> I don't know the function in advance :P

L450[08:19:58] <MalkContent> does computer.shutdown() fire an event?

L451[08:20:08] <Vexatos> the new Noise Card uses one of four pre-defined functions

L452[08:20:15] <Vexatos> but they are clean functions

L453[08:20:18] <Noire> well

L454[08:20:19] <Noire> im here

L455[08:20:21] <Vexatos> square, sine, triangle and sawtooth

L456[08:20:27] <g> oh, I see

L457[08:20:28] <Vexatos> a sound card would allow for much more

L458[08:20:29] <Noire> whatsup with the factions?

L459[08:20:31] <Vexatos> literally any function

L460[08:20:31] <g> you want people to be able to add those

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L462[08:20:39] <Vexatos> would be a third card

L463[08:20:41] <Vexatos> a new one

L464[08:20:41] <g> Noire, don't think there's anything you can do

L465[08:20:57] <Noire> of course i cant

L466[08:21:01] <Noire> but can u?

L467[08:21:04] <Vexatos> But I can't make Lua literally define a function and pass it to the client

L468[08:21:05] <Noire> :)

L469[08:21:05] <g> Noire, not really

L470[08:21:10] <Vexatos> because the client isn't running a Lua VM :P

L471[08:21:12] <g> not that I can see anyway

L472[08:21:16] <g> we'd have to see what Sangar says

L473[08:21:17] <MalkContent> like, could i use that to stop programs gracefully

L474[08:21:26] <g> Vexatos, your card would need to provide the backbone for these functions, then

L475[08:21:46] <Vexatos> The issue with a real proper sound card is that you can do anything with it or it is not a sound card

L476[08:22:02] <g> well, at the end of the day you want to output bytes

L477[08:22:14] <Vexatos> another idea would be to have it LITERALLY work like an old sound card, i.e. have analog inputs you set manually and that data is sent over

L478[08:22:16] <g> so you first need to provide a way to write these bytes to your card

L479[08:22:17] <Vexatos> but that's baaaad

L480[08:22:24] <g> and then, if it's on a server, relay the data

L481[08:22:33] <Vexatos> but what would the data look like

L482[08:22:42] <g> whatever you like, if you're using plugin channels

L483[08:22:52] <Vexatos> I mean

L484[08:22:57] <Vexatos> what would Lua give me

L485[08:23:07] <Vexatos> and what would the java side do with it

L486[08:23:08] <g> raw bytes, I suppose

L487[08:23:09] <Vexatos> that is the issue

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L489[08:23:13] <Vexatos> Lua doesn't have bytes

L490[08:23:18] <g> it has strings though

L491[08:23:20] <Vexatos> yes

L492[08:23:25] <Vexatos> UTF-8 strings

L493[08:23:34] <Skye> actaully

L494[08:23:40] <Skye> Lua strings are just sequences of bytes

L495[08:23:45] <Vexatos> of course

L496[08:23:58] <Vexatos> But I won't send raw bytes to the client

L497[08:24:01] <Vexatos> and play them there

L498[08:24:10] <Vexatos> at a sample rate of 44100 it's.... not a good idea

L499[08:24:45] <Noire> maybe sangar knows anything bout this...

L500[08:25:25] <Vexatos> also raw bytes is kind of the worst way to doing it, it's like messing with OpenAL in Lua

L501[08:25:25] <Vexatos> >_>

L502[08:26:04] <g> it's a base

L503[08:26:13] <g> you could start at raw bytes

L504[08:26:20] <Vexatos> no

L505[08:26:20] <g> then use opus or something to encode it to something sane maybe

L506[08:26:25] <Vexatos> nonononono

L507[08:26:28] <Vexatos> nope

L508[08:26:29] <Vexatos> n o p e

L509[08:26:40] <g> if you want instant feedback, you need to send the data immediately though

L510[08:26:48] <Vexatos> RIP servers

L511[08:26:50] <Vexatos> no thanks

L512[08:27:05] <g> what you could do

L513[08:27:13] <g> is have a bunch of predefined ones that you think will be commonly used

L514[08:27:21] <g> and then allow that for custom ones for power-user servers

L515[08:27:22] <Vexatos> Well the noise card has 4

L516[08:27:29] <Vexatos> but a sound card wouldn't be about waves

L517[08:27:32] <Vexatos> but wave modulation

L518[08:27:37] <Vexatos> that's all that a sound card does >_>

L519[08:28:01] <g> either way you can't make the lua code call stuff on your peripheral on the client

L520[08:28:22] <g> your only option is some kind of data transfer

L521[08:28:32] <Noire> https://github.com/MassiveCraft/MassiveCore/blob/master/src/com/massivecraft/massivecore/util/MUtil.java#L359

L522[08:28:35] <Noire> here

L523[08:28:40] <Vexatos> and that's what I want to figure out

L524[08:28:49] <g> Noire, I looked at it

L525[08:28:56] <Vexatos> asie, do YOU have any idea? :P

L526[08:28:57] <g> if you don't custom-compile factions then you'll need to talk to Sangar

L527[08:29:08] <Vexatos> I'll certainly ask Snagar too

L528[08:29:12] <Noire> okay

L529[08:29:18] <g> Vexatos, unless you want to provide some kind of "wave modulation api", then you're stuck

L530[08:29:30] <g> I don't know enough about that to say much more though

L531[08:30:12] <Vexatos> that would be another option but for that I'd need to know what's all needed, etc

L532[08:30:12] <Vexatos> :P

L533[08:30:30] <g> well, either way

L534[08:30:37] <g> you're going to either spam packets, or limit usability

L535[08:30:37] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

L536[08:30:48] <g> you're going to have to figure out where the compromise is

L537[08:30:50] <g> shut up, EnderBot2

L538[08:31:47] <Vexatos> There might b

L539[08:31:48] <Vexatos> Hmm

L540[08:32:00] <Vexatos> I'll talk to a few others about it, I guess

L541[08:32:09] <Vexatos> I wouldn't want a sound card that's not actually a sound card

L542[08:32:18] <Saphire> Noire: why do i have a feeling that you'll be stuck there for a while? :D

L543[08:32:20] <Vexatos> there is a reason none of the cards in Computronics so far are called Sound Cards

L544[08:32:23] <Saphire> *here

L545[08:32:28] <Saphire> in #oc i mean

L546[08:32:50] <Mimiru> %seen Sangar

L547[08:32:51] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Sangar was last seen 28m 18s ago.

L548[08:33:00] <Mimiru> o_O

L549[08:33:07] <Vexatos> Mimiru, he joined

L550[08:33:07] <g> Vexatos it's likely that you're not going to be able to manage that in the constraints of OC

L551[08:33:08] <Lizzy> he quit and rejoined i think

L552[08:33:09] <g> Mimiru, he rejoined

L553[08:33:11] <Mimiru> Oh

L554[08:33:29] <Lizzy> also yay, sql master-master replication is fun to set up

L555[08:33:36] <g> "fun"?

L556[08:33:45] <Noire> не понял тебя, сапфир

L557[08:33:47] <Lizzy> it's even more fun when one of your databases is currently getting written to

L558[08:33:55] * g takes Noire's vodka away

L559[08:34:04] <Noire> not funny

L560[08:34:06] <Noire> :P

L561[08:34:58] <g> :P

L562[08:35:09] <Saphire> Noire: говорю, что мне кажется, что ты тут застрял надолго, в #oc :P

L563[08:35:24] <g> Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

L564[08:35:33] <Noire> не уйду пока не получу решение или утвердительный ответ :D

L565[08:36:10] <Skye> ._.

L566[08:36:17] <g> Je veux être un robot, en chrome

L567[08:36:31] <Saphire> (he won't leave until he gets a solution or an answer)

L568[08:36:43] <Saphire> well, welcome to #oc i guess? :D

L569[08:36:53] <g> Haha, pretty much

L570[08:36:54] <Lizzy> huh, there's an option for html emails in the oc backend.... should i turn it on?

L571[08:37:01] <Noire> kek :D

L572[08:37:05] <Noire> i thnk yes

L573[08:37:09] <Noire> this is ny inn now

L574[08:37:13] <Noire> my*

L575[08:37:24] * Saphire orders some water

L576[08:37:34] * Noire drinks

L577[08:37:43] * Noire got hearthstone

L578[08:40:04] <Noire> сапфир, а ты тут получается из команды девелоперов?

L579[08:41:19] <Saphire> нет XD просто околачиваюсь тут, как и большинство

L580[08:41:45] <Saphire> (he asked if i'm from dev team. I answered that i'm not but just hang around in here :3)

L581[08:44:23] <Noire> such a spy u are :P

L582[08:44:34] <g> emergency glibc patch

L583[08:44:39] <g> go update your servers and reboot

L584[08:44:48] <g> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574880

L585[08:44:52] <MalkContent> how do i use ctrl+f in the editor...

L586[08:45:36] <Saphire> >gentoo

L587[08:45:45] <MalkContent> i hold ctrl+f down, sometimes when i press other stuff in addition the search finally pops up. and then i dont know how to scroll through the matches

L588[08:46:14] <g> Saphire, there's a patch there as well as links to the google zero blog

L589[08:46:29] <Saphire> mhm

L590[08:46:35] <Saphire> did arch pushed update yet?

L591[08:46:43] <g> well, ubuntu did

L592[08:46:45] <g> so I'd imagine so

L593[08:47:00] <Temia> Why would you think that >.>

L594[08:47:06] <Temia> It's not like Arch is debian-based.

L595[08:47:22] <g> because arch is unstable by design

L596[08:47:27] <g> updates are basically immediate

L597[08:47:28] <Temia> ...okay, fair

L598[08:47:41] <Temia> Syncing now, let's see what it says

L599[08:47:57] * Lizzy pets Temia

L600[08:48:34] <Temia> Yep, 2.22-4 is out, built last night,

L601[08:48:48] <Temia> HOWEVER

L602[08:48:51] <g> yup, patch came out last night

L603[08:48:51] <g> lol

L604[08:48:52] <Temia> lib32-glibc isn't rebuilt yet

L605[08:48:54] <Saphire> ah, i -Syu'ed already.. What?

L606[08:48:56] <Saphire> ah

L607[08:49:12] <Saphire> great

L608[08:50:00] * Temia yawnstretches. punches pacaur -Su into her terminal and faceplants on Saph. as a fluffy, you are my bed now z.z

L609[08:50:02] <g> now, if you guys will excuse me..

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L611[08:50:10] ⇦ Quits: g (~g@ultros.tentacles.are.evidently.sexy) (Quit: Leaving)

L612[08:50:28] * Saphire fluffs and hugs the Temia, petting her a little :3

L613[08:50:42] <Saphire> oh, and thanks for reminding me about aur

L614[08:50:53] <Temia> no prob. o/

L615[08:51:07] * Michiyo yawns

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L617[08:51:12] <Temia> I don't think glibc changed enough to warrant rebuilds, but never hurts to update anyway

L618[08:51:28] <Saphire> wai wtf

L619[08:51:33] <Saphire> why there is MINGW

L620[08:51:38] <Saphire> what the..

L621[08:51:40] <Temia> cross-compilation toolchain

L622[08:52:01] <Saphire> no i get that

L623[08:52:06] <Saphire> WHY AURA DOWNLOADS IT

L624[08:52:15] <Temia> Oh

L625[08:52:18] <Temia> o.o

L626[08:52:19] * Temia shrug

L627[08:52:37] *** amadornes[OFF] is now known as amadornes

L628[08:52:52] <Noire> sangaaaaar

L629[08:53:03] <Noire> wy u no here(((9

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L634[08:55:23] <Temia> You know it's a productive day when you have to clear your bed of design documents and class diagrams scattered across it

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L636[08:56:09] <Temia> >.>

L637[08:56:13] <Saphire> you realize that you did nothing today is when the 5th command in your shell's history is startx

L638[08:56:18] <Temia> g, your vhost is something else.

L639[08:56:28] <Saphire> g is out

L640[08:56:44] <Temia> I know.

L641[08:56:46] <Temia> But still.

L642[08:56:47] <g> there I am

L643[08:56:51] <g> also, that looks right

L644[08:57:32] <Temia> No, I mean

L645[08:57:38] <Temia> It's... unusual.

L646[08:57:44] <g> ah, lol, yeah

L647[08:57:55] <Temia> Out of the ordinary.

L648[08:57:56] <g> I'm nerdy enough to get a vanity domain

L649[08:58:06] <Temia> >.>

L650[08:58:08] * Temia huff

L651[08:58:26] <Temia> Well, once I get a vps set up, maybe I'll start logging on as temia@minotaur.monmusu.me

L652[08:58:39] <Saphire> :D

L653[08:58:50] <Vexatos> password: moo

L654[08:58:58] <Temia> What, no

L655[08:59:06] * Saphire really would like an .moe domain but has no money. And those are expensive Q_Q

L656[08:59:13] <Saphire> inb4 moomoo

L657[08:59:14] <g> there's a minotaur in monster musume?

L658[08:59:23] <Noire> >monmusu

L659[08:59:29] <Noire> dat monstergirls

L660[08:59:31] <Temia> "monster musume" was a term well before there was an animoo.

L661[08:59:36] <g> ah right

L662[08:59:54] <Temia> Noire: moo. `o`

L663[08:59:55] <Noire> what term?

L664[09:00:11] <Noire> snakgirl is the best, lol

L665[09:00:14] <Noire> snake*

L666[09:00:25] <Noire> forgot her name

L667[09:00:38] <g> miia

L668[09:00:39] <Temia> on that note I don't particularly like the animoo, but I don't particularly like a lot of the popular monsterfolk depictions out there either :T

L669[09:00:41] <g> She's great, lol

L670[09:00:58] <Temia> (speak of the MGE within earshot of me at your own peril. I have an axe. :E)

L671[09:00:59] <Noire> miia, yes

L672[09:01:03] <g> I enjoyed both that and jitsu wa watashi wa

L673[09:01:15] <g> although the open-ended ending of the latter was annoying

L674[09:01:18] <Noire> japanese openings thread?

L675[09:01:20] <Noire> i start

L676[09:01:28] <Noire> DOKI DOKI NO YUUYAMI NI

L677[09:02:13] <Noire> KIRA KIRA NA MOSHI GA CHIRARI

L678[09:02:13] <Temia> I don't watch nearly enough animoo these days to really contribute :T

L679[09:02:20] <Temia> Or guess at names

L680[09:02:22] <Noire> well, lot of caps, sorry 4 that

L681[09:02:40] <Noire> Araragi

L682[09:02:53] <Noire> Senjougahara (Best Girl)

L683[09:03:00] <Temia> Hm.

L684[09:03:05] <Noire> are these names familiar 2 u?

L685[09:03:09] <Temia> Nope.

L686[09:03:15] <Noire> Monogatari Series

L687[09:03:18] <Temia> Ah

L688[09:03:19] <g> Noire, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKVb3syM3lI

L689[09:03:21] <MichiBot> g: Ken Ashcorp - What PS2? | length: 1m 25s | Likes: 0 Dislikes: 0 Views: 609544 | by Ken Ashcorp

L690[09:03:28] <Temia> I think the last thing I watched was, uh...

L691[09:03:31] <Temia> Bodacious Space Pirates

L692[09:03:34] <Temia> Which was AWESOME

L693[09:03:36] <Temia> But still

L694[09:04:01] <Noire> @g, what?

L695[09:04:07] <Temia> OTOH the most recently-released thing I watched was Gargantia I think. =x=a

L696[09:04:26] <Noire> okay

L697[09:04:31] <Noire> maybe u know this:

L698[09:04:38] <Noire> ZAAANKOKU NO TENSHI NO YOUNI

L699[09:04:45] <g> Noire: what the fuck did you just fucking say about me you little bitch

L700[09:04:51] <Temia> AUGH

L701[09:04:55] <Noire> teh rude

L702[09:04:59] <g> XD

L703[09:05:06] <Noire> waih boaye

L704[09:05:15] <Noire> SUCKABIGDIG

L705[09:05:19] <Noire> kek

L706[09:05:21] <Temia> Nope nope nope, get that outta here

L707[09:05:30] <g> you go' a bone wif me m8?

L708[09:05:31] <Noire> CJ GET ON THE TRAIN

L709[09:05:33] <g> ill fukin rek ya

L710[09:05:36] <g> sware on me mam

L711[09:05:44] <Noire> СУКА БОРИС ЕЛЬЦИН ВОДКА ВОДКА

L712[09:05:47] <Noire> u fkced

L713[09:08:13] <Noire> that would be great if sangar have skype or something

L714[09:08:35] <asie> i need to announce the OpenComputers Demoscene Party

L715[09:08:42] <asie> for 24th April 2016 - BC's 5th Anniversary Convention

L716[09:08:50] <Noire> wut?

L717[09:08:59] <Noire> oh, asi

L718[09:08:59] <asie> Noire: i'll explain on oc.cil.li

L719[09:09:00] <Noire> asie

L720[09:09:11] <Temia> MineTracker

L721[09:09:11] <Noire> can i ask u a feature?

L722[09:09:15] <Noire> for bc

L723[09:09:16] <Temia> We need a MineTracker

L724[09:09:24] <asie> Temia: Vexatos is working on it

L725[09:09:27] <asie> Noire: no, i'm no longer on the team

L726[09:09:27] <Temia> :'D

L727[09:09:31] <Noire> why>

L728[09:09:31] <Temia> I mean softwarewise

L729[09:09:32] <Noire> ?

L730[09:09:34] <asie> Noire: i left

L731[09:09:36] <asie> in november

L732[09:09:36] <Temia> For Vex's noise card.

L733[09:09:39] <asie> there's a blog post on that i think

L734[09:09:41] <asie> Temia: GET TO WORK

L735[09:09:45] <Noire> its a pity

L736[09:09:48] <Temia> give me an API

L737[09:10:08] <Vexatos> Temia, you mean FamiTracker-esque?

L738[09:10:09] <Vexatos> :P

L739[09:10:12] * asie gives Temia a Vexatos bundled together in wire

L740[09:10:16] <Temia> Uh, I meant more...

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L742[09:10:20] <Temia> ModTracker-esque

L743[09:10:23] <Vexatos> :P

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L745[09:10:35] <Temia> Aw Asie, you shouldn't have <3

L746[09:10:44] <Vexatos> well the noise card only generates one of four wave functions

L747[09:10:47] <Vexatos> uses*

L748[09:10:52] <Temia> Hmm.

L749[09:10:57] <Vexatos> Next step is making an actual, legit sound card

L750[09:11:00] <Temia> No modulation ability?

L751[09:11:11] <Vexatos> There is a reason I didn't call it Sound Card.

L752[09:11:31] <Vexatos> I have yet to come up / find someone to come up with a good design

L753[09:11:33] <Vexatos> for a legit sound card

L754[09:11:37] <Temia> Maybe I'll just wait until we can get the SID chip built into that 6502 arch.

L755[09:11:37] <Vexatos> for OC

L756[09:11:50] <Vexatos> Or you help me designa sound card

L757[09:11:55] <asie> Temia: Nope.

L758[09:12:00] <asie> The SID requires a ton of horsepower to emulate well.

L759[09:12:02] <asie> Seriously.

L760[09:12:06] <asie> It's a complex analog synthesizer on a chip.

L761[09:12:13] <Temia> Yeah.

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L763[09:12:21] <Temia> But we can offload that to the client. :'D

L764[09:12:28] <asie> :'D

L765[09:12:34] <asie> one hundred SIDs

L766[09:12:45] <Temia> That would be sick and beautiful

L767[09:12:48] <Vexatos> Temia, the problem is

L768[09:12:55] <Noire> %seen Sangar

L769[09:12:56] <Vexatos> it is not generating the waves

L770[09:12:57] <MichiBot> Noire: Sangar was last seen 1h 8m 22s ago.

L771[09:13:16] <Vexatos> it is that I have no idea what to send to the client, how to allow Lua to do virtually anything wave modulation

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L773[09:13:19] <Temia> Ah.

L774[09:13:33] <Temia> Fair enough. =x=

L775[09:13:36] <Vexatos> Because if I am going to add a sound card, it better be a decent one

L776[09:13:44] <asie> but yeah

L777[09:13:48] <asie> the OpenComputers demoscene party is coming

L778[09:14:06] <asie> i hope it doesn't end with one demo - we already showed that OpenComputers /can/

L779[09:14:24] <asie> on BTM16

L780[09:15:03] <Vexatos> I'd love to have a sound card by then

L781[09:15:04] <Vexatos> I mean

L782[09:15:05] <Vexatos> imagine

L783[09:15:21] <asie> it might be the 31st of April instead tho

L784[09:15:24] <asie> we are not exactly sure

L785[09:15:26] <Vexatos> TapeDrives++: Both more RIPSERVER and more annoying to use!

L786[09:15:26] <asie> blah, the 30th

L787[09:16:16] <Vexatos> So yea

L788[09:16:19] <Vexatos> I need ideas

L789[09:16:22] <Vexatos> Because I have none

L790[09:16:27] <Vexatos> I'd LOVE to make a sound car

L791[09:16:29] <Vexatos> card*

L792[09:16:30] <Vexatos> a legit one

L793[09:16:35] <Vexatos> with all the modulation

L794[09:16:59] <Vexatos> modulating the function directly was a concept

L795[09:17:00] <asie> i also might make a ComputerCraft category

L796[09:17:03] <Vexatos> having some kind of API

L797[09:17:06] <asie> for my good old friends there

L798[09:17:09] <Vexatos> to change a wave

L799[09:17:13] <asie> though I know people opposed to this idea

L800[09:17:14] <Vexatos> but

L801[09:17:18] <asie> but then we are on 1.7.10 so... no teletext for them

L802[09:17:23] <asie> so probably not

L803[09:17:26] <Vexatos> asie, why 1.7.10

L804[09:17:34] <asie> Vexatos: BC, Forestry, RailCraft, LegacyFarms

L805[09:17:38] <Vexatos> Ah

L806[09:17:40] <asie> ABO, Additional Pipes, Logistics Pipes

L807[09:17:46] <asie> they won't all be stable on 1.8 by April

L808[09:17:49] <asie> no chance, period

L809[09:17:50] <Vexatos> RetroThanMinecon16

L810[09:17:57] <asie> it's not BTM16 2

L811[09:18:00] <asie> it's a BC celebration

L812[09:18:04] <asie> the OC demoparty just coincides there

L813[09:18:12] <Vexatos> WHAT

L814[09:18:13] <Vexatos> A

L815[09:18:14] <Temia> So wait, about the noise card

L816[09:18:16] <Vexatos> COINCIDENCE

L817[09:18:26] <Vexatos> Temia, you simply choose one of the four modes

L818[09:18:30] <Vexatos> per channel

L819[09:18:35] <Temia> Ah, okay.

L820[09:18:41] <Vexatos> http://git.io/vgdyr

L821[09:18:43] <Vexatos> really simple

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L823[09:18:46] <Temia> I was about to ask the design of that, yeah

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L825[09:18:58] <Temia> Whether it was dedicated or assignable channels and if the latter how many

L826[09:19:05] <Temia> So...

L827[09:19:08] <Vexatos> 8 channels

L828[09:19:10] <Vexatos> all separate

L829[09:19:12] <Temia> Ahh

L830[09:19:28] <Vexatos> you either run play() to execute immediately

L831[09:19:30] <Vexatos> like the Beep Card

L832[09:19:33] <Vexatos> or you add() to a buffer

L833[09:19:38] <Vexatos> each channel can have up to 8 entries

L834[09:19:44] <Vexatos> then process()

L835[09:20:02] <Vexatos> an entry being the frequency, a duration and the initial delay relative to the last entry on the channel

L836[09:20:35] <Vexatos> super simple stuff, in the end

L837[09:20:43] <Temia> So wait

L838[09:20:44] <Vexatos> as you can see, the functions are hardcoded

L839[09:21:56] <Temia> So long as you brushed up on the processing for modulation itself, what's to stop you from implementing a way to set channels as modulators to other channels?

L840[09:22:25] <Vexatos> a) my knowledge of sound cards

L841[09:22:43] <Vexatos> b) what do I send to the client

L842[09:23:16] <Vexatos> I can't compile the audio data itself before I send it, that'd be way too much data at a sample rate of 44100

L843[09:23:41] <Vexatos> everything done in Lua needs to be synchronized to the client

L844[09:23:45] <Vexatos> anything done at all

L845[09:23:47] <Vexatos> pretty much

L846[09:23:52] <Temia> Well, that's just it

L847[09:23:55] <Vexatos> yea

L848[09:24:00] <Temia> You send largely the same data to the client

L849[09:24:01] <Vexatos> but what would I send it

L850[09:24:05] <Temia> Except you also tell it that one channel's modulating another.

L851[09:24:18] <Vexatos> I can do that, sure

L852[09:24:29] <Vexatos> But what would those channels contain

L853[09:24:40] <Vexatos> They can't really contain frequency-duration pairs then, can they

L854[09:24:46] <Temia> Sure they can.

L855[09:25:00] <Vexatos> then I probably misunderstood what modulator means >_>

L856[09:25:01] <Temia> That's just it. One frequency-duration pair is modulating another.

L857[09:25:18] <Temia> Well, I'd imagine the durations would be linked

L858[09:25:19] <Temia> But still.

L859[09:25:32] <Vexatos> I may just be stupid

L860[09:25:55] <Temia> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation_synthesis has the basics up

L861[09:26:07] <g> modulation is just changing the pitch isn't it?

L862[09:26:18] <g> that's what it is in musical terms

L863[09:26:23] <Vexatos> pitch would be the frequency, no?

L864[09:26:42] <Vexatos> waaaaaaaaaaaaait

L865[09:26:43] <Vexatos> Temia,

L866[09:26:45] <Vexatos> is modulating

L867[09:26:46] <Temia> Yes?

L868[09:26:46] <Vexatos> basically

L869[09:26:47] <Vexatos> just

L870[09:26:48] <Vexatos> uuuh

L871[09:26:52] <Vexatos> adding functions together?

L872[09:27:07] <Temia> A bit more complex than that, but more or less.

L873[09:28:09] <Vexatos> That would just... create two sounds

L874[09:28:11] <Vexatos> I guess

L875[09:28:41] <Vexatos> hmm

L876[09:29:13] <Vexatos> Well if you have a function for me to use...?

L877[09:29:14] <Vexatos> >_>

L878[09:30:48] <Vexatos> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation#Theory this looks way too simple

L879[09:31:47] <Temia> Well, that largely depends on how you're implementing the noise card's audio.

L880[09:32:17] <Vexatos> right now it uses a set frequency

L881[09:32:28] <Vexatos> but it'd be super easy to have the frequency be dynamic

L882[09:33:00] <Vexatos> well

L883[09:33:04] <Vexatos> not super-easy

L884[09:33:06] <Vexatos> but doable >_>

L885[09:34:45] <Vexatos> http://git.io/vgNEt

L886[09:35:10] <Vexatos> pretty much

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L888[09:35:18] <Noire> thats me again

L889[09:35:32] <Vexatos> soo yea

L890[09:36:35] <Vexatos> also the value needs to be a number between 0 and 1 so generally O can give it literally any function at all

L891[09:36:59] <Saphire> Noire: soon you're going to setup a standalone irc client...

L892[09:38:17] <Vexatos> Temia, I'd just love to have an actual sound card in Computronics

L893[09:38:22] <Vexatos> wouldn't that be AWESOME? :D

L894[09:38:28] * Temia nods

L895[09:38:40] <MalkContent> component.getPrimary("redstone") is the same as component.list("redstone")() on the first call, yes?

L896[09:38:52] <Temia> Honestly I'd say you should tack a single streaming dfpwm channel to the noise card as it is but :p

L897[09:39:55] <Vexatos> that's not easy

L898[09:39:56] <Vexatos> at all

L899[09:40:06] <Vexatos> I have no clue how DFPWM works

L900[09:40:09] <Vexatos> so I'd rather not

L901[09:40:11] <Temia> Ah.

L902[09:40:16] <MalkContent> a, nope

L903[09:40:19] <Vexatos> except I know there is quite a bit of buffering involved

L904[09:40:20] <MalkContent> I'm an idiot

L905[09:40:28] * Temia nods.

L906[09:40:29] <Vexatos> and this can't really have one of those while running

L907[09:40:50] <Temia> The dfpwm channel could probably have its own ring buffer, probably >.>

L908[09:40:55] <Noire> nope, webirc is nic 4 me

L909[09:40:58] <Noire> nice

L910[09:41:04] <Saphire> for now ;)

L911[09:41:44] <Noire> all i need is a conversation with sangar :D

L912[09:42:14] <Michiyo> Good luck.

L913[09:42:15] <Michiyo> :p

L914[09:42:46] <Noire> hope he wiil be here soon

L915[09:43:55] <Saphire> Noire: welcome to irc!

L916[09:44:37] * vifino groans and flops on Lizzy

L917[09:44:37] * Saphire gives Noire a booklet "On the other side of Earth. Guide to timezones"

L918[09:47:06] <Noire> thats not funny

L919[09:47:13] <Noire> :P

L920[09:50:45] * Lizzy pets vifino

L921[09:51:04] * vifino purrs

L922[09:52:03] <Noire> damn

L923[09:52:20] <Vexatos> Temia, I could do additive synthsis any day, that stuff's super easy

L924[09:52:24] <Vexatos> but it's not quite enough :P

L925[09:53:25] <Noire> Sangar is sleeping now?

L926[09:53:36] <Lizzy> working probably

L927[09:55:11] <Temia> I'll see how much trouble it would be to generate and modulate waveforms in OpenAL later

L928[09:55:20] <Temia> I'm honestly half-asleep right now. z.z

L929[09:55:29] * vifino pets Temiamoo

L930[09:58:14] <Noire> trying to grief land on new factions 2.8.6

L931[09:58:34] <Temia> okay, a back of the envelope prototype looks like modulation would occur on the waveforms before passing to OpenAL itself.

L932[09:58:48] <Vexatos> of course

L933[09:59:11] <Vexatos> The entire sound will be passed to OpenAL

L934[10:01:11] <Temia> You said earlier you were operating on samples and not generated waveforms?

L935[10:02:09] <Vexatos> it calls the waveform function

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L937[10:03:09] <Vexatos> which is to return a value between -1 and 1 for any "position" passed to it, which itself is always between 0 and 1 and has to repeat once it hits 1

L938[10:04:51] <Vexatos> and it does it once per sample, yea

L939[10:04:55] <Temia> hmm.

L940[10:05:11] <Temia> I'll have to look into it more later.

L941[10:05:14] <Temia> I'm fading fast.

L942[10:05:39] <Vexatos> but inside that loop

L943[10:05:42] <Vexatos> I can literally do anything

L944[10:05:50] <Vexatos> any repeating function at all

L945[10:06:02] <Vexatos> as long as it returns a value between -1 and 1 after receiving a value between 0 and 1

L946[10:06:02] <Vexatos> :P

L947[10:07:39] <Vexatos> that means I can change both frequency and gain as much as I want, really

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L949[10:07:44] <Vexatos> all relative to the base values

L950[10:12:46] <Vexatos> hmm

L951[10:13:03] <Vexatos> if I were to add modulators, I should probably add a Noise wave form...

L952[10:18:26] <Vexatos> well I guess I could add AM and FM by assigning channels to one another

L953[10:20:28] <Saphire> What are you doing?

L954[10:21:13] <Vexatos> making noise

L955[10:21:14] <Vexatos> for cruor

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L957[10:27:37] <Vexatos> asie, didn't you say you want filters? If I added filters, which types would you want to have :|

L958[10:30:18] <Vexatos> because

L959[10:30:18] <Vexatos> uhm

L960[10:30:22] <Vexatos> I think I can actually do this

L961[10:30:24] <Vexatos> like

L962[10:30:26] <Vexatos> right now

L963[10:30:27] <Vexatos> .-.

L964[10:30:38] <Vexatos> I just need some decent Lua API design

L965[10:31:19] <Vexatos> and maybe a few different FM modes

L966[10:31:25] <Vexatos> and different filters

L967[10:31:43] <Vexatos> since you can't specify those using Lua unfortunately, since I can't send an entire Lua function to the client

L968[10:31:47] <Vexatos> (which would be awesome)

L969[10:37:33] <Noire> Which country is Sangar from?

L970[10:38:01] <vifino> Germany.

L971[10:47:02] <MalkContent> hmm

L972[10:47:13] <fingercomp> The robot statue. Created by one of players of a server where I play. http://i.imgur.com/2guhefk.png

L973[10:48:06] <MalkContent> is there a lua equivalent to this javacode: { {int a = 0;} }

L974[10:48:17] <MalkContent> where a is unknown outside the inner brackets

L975[10:48:36] <MalkContent> basically has lua some equivalent to those brackets

L976[10:48:59] <vifino> MalkContent: do local a = 0 end

L977[10:49:05] <MalkContent> ty

L978[10:49:10] <vifino> like literally 'do local a = 0 end'

L979[10:50:47] <MalkContent> well now i know i can use do that way in lua ^^

L980[10:51:12] <Vexatos> fingercomp, cool

L981[10:53:26] <Vexatos> fingercomp, I wonder... is Computronics on the server? :P

L982[10:53:43] <fingercomp> Of course!

L983[10:54:08] <Vexatos> weeee

L984[10:54:18] <fingercomp> But I think not the latest version

L985[10:54:40] <Vexatos> D:

L986[10:55:23] <sugoi> anyone know all the data given in signal component_unavailable

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L988[10:55:33] <sugoi> is it only event_name, and comp_type?

L989[10:55:41] <sugoi> or do we get a guid or more?

L990[10:55:47] <Lizzy> ~oc signals

L991[10:55:47] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:signals

L992[10:57:32] <sugoi> ha, i didn't realize the "methods" on that page were answers to this question

L993[10:57:44] <sugoi> glad i reread it :)

L994[10:57:53] * sugoi tips hat to Lizzy

L995[10:57:58] * sugoi also doesn't wear a hat...

L996[10:58:41] * vifino tips himself to Lizzy

L997[10:58:47] <vifino> I have no hat, sorry.

L998[10:58:52] * Lizzy gives sugoi a hat

L999[10:59:02] * Lizzy puts vifino on her head as her hat

L1000[10:59:24] <sugoi> http://www.amazon.com/SUGOi-92944U-Sugoi-Mens-RSR/dp/B00AFTTV8S

L1001[10:59:29] <vifino> :3

L1002[10:59:34] <vifino> I accept my fate :3

L1003[11:00:00] <Noire> dafuq is going on?

L1004[11:00:13] <sugoi> hats

L1005[11:01:50] <Noire> i dont have a hat

L1006[11:01:53] <Noire> but i want

L1007[11:02:19] <sugoi> http://kotaku.com/5802956/your-guide-to-the-fancy-hats-of-la-noire

L1008[11:02:41] <Noire> dayum!

L1009[11:02:43] <Noire> :D

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L1011[11:04:18] <sugoi> if you have a proxy handle to a component that has been lost, what happens to that object?

L1012[11:04:29] <sugoi> is there a proxy.i_am_lost() ?

L1013[11:05:12] <sugoi> can i still querry address of a lost component to which i have an (expired) handle?

L1014[11:05:19] <g> Have you tried it?

L1015[11:05:24] <sugoi> well it's hard for me to try

L1016[11:05:25] <g> I'd assume it errors out though

L1017[11:05:29] <sugoi> 2 reasons

L1018[11:05:31] <sugoi> 1. i'm an idiot

L1019[11:05:46] <sugoi> 2. i'm working with new code and i'm trying to make it robust with losing the screen

L1020[11:05:57] <sugoi> i could use a DIFFERENT component for testing :)

L1021[11:06:02] <g> just add and remove a geolyzer or something

L1022[11:06:03] <sugoi> but that would require i first resolve #1

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L1024[11:06:23] <g> add geolyzer, get proxy, remove geolyzer, test

L1025[11:06:24] <fingercomp> It will throw "no such component" errors

L1026[11:06:30] <fingercomp> Just tested

L1027[11:06:39] <sugoi> fingercomp: on ANY method?

L1028[11:06:40] <g> Thanks

L1029[11:06:46] <sugoi> hmmm, that's not great

L1030[11:06:51] <sugoi> i need to test this

L1031[11:07:00] <g> does lua have exception handling?

L1032[11:07:02] <fingercomp> Even if `=proxy`

L1033[11:07:08] <sugoi> g: yes, pcall, xpcall

L1034[11:07:30] <g> I mean like, try...catch

L1035[11:07:50] <g> exception objects

L1036[11:07:51] <sugoi> no, but pcall can be thought of as that

L1037[11:07:56] <g> hm, okay

L1038[11:08:11] <sugoi> you can use error to pass back "objects"

L1039[11:08:23] <sugoi> and the method you give to xpcall gets that result object

L1040[11:08:41] <g> so you could, eg, error a table

L1041[11:08:52] <sugoi> it's actually how openos handles exit calls

L1042[11:09:00] <sugoi> yes

L1043[11:09:04] <g> Huh, okay, I see

L1044[11:09:57] <g> Back later, going home from the shop..

L1045[11:10:02] * Noire dont understand the coders` staff

L1046[11:10:03] <sugoi> o/

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L1048[11:10:08] <sugoi> Noire: ?

L1049[11:10:24] <Noire> 2hard4me

L1050[11:10:30] <sugoi> there is a staff?

L1051[11:10:41] <Noire> stuff* i meant

L1052[11:10:59] <Noire> being drunk russian is hard, you know

L1053[11:11:07] <Noire> always missclicking

L1054[11:11:15] <sugoi> ah

L1055[11:11:26] <sugoi> wish i spoke russian :)

L1056[11:11:37] <Noire> ЗАЧЕМ

L1057[11:11:39] <Noire> why?

L1058[11:12:11] <sugoi> потому что язык это красиво

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L1060[11:12:36] * sugoi calls, "go go google translate!"

L1061[11:12:43] <Noire> пщщадуекфтыдфеу,

L1062[11:12:47] <Noire> googletranslate?

L1063[11:12:50] <Noire> i knew thaat

L1064[11:13:16] <Noire> what are you wanted ti say?

L1065[11:13:20] <Noire> to*

L1066[11:13:36] <sugoi> nothing in particular, i just like how russian sounds and it'd be a great language to learn

L1067[11:13:53] <sugoi> i speak a few (which is a ton for an american! ... right? )

L1068[11:14:09] <Noire> Right

L1069[11:14:15] <sugoi> but then i got married => stopped traveling => stopped learning new languages :)

L1070[11:14:31] <Noire> marriage kills development

L1071[11:14:33] <Noire> :D

L1072[11:14:51] <sugoi> :)

L1073[11:15:05] <MalkContent> dammit. stupid microcontroller

L1074[11:15:24] <Noire> well, i know english (badly) and trying to learn japanese

L1075[11:15:32] <MalkContent> eeprom works in a case with the same components, but µC keeps flashing red

L1076[11:15:43] <Noire> inb4: WEABOOO

L1077[11:16:35] <Lizzy> MalkContent, use an analyser on the MCU's front face, it should tell you what the error is

L1078[11:17:25] <MalkContent> computer halted

L1079[11:18:02] <Noire> halted?

L1080[11:18:06] <fingercomp> The program reached its end.

L1081[11:18:09] <Noire> what does halted mean?

L1082[11:18:10] <Noire> ah

L1083[11:18:11] <Noire> okay

L1084[11:18:45] <MalkContent> i have a case with the exact same components next to it. and that works...

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L1086[11:19:06] <MalkContent> do µCs require energy despite the ignore energy setting maybe?

L1087[11:19:18] <fingercomp> They don't, actually...

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L1089[11:19:31] <fingercomp> Are you trying to access the external components from µC?

L1090[11:19:38] <MalkContent> no

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L1093[11:20:08] <Lizzy> MalkContent, are you keeping the eeprom in a loop?

L1094[11:20:15] <MalkContent> yes

L1095[11:20:23] <Noire> who is in the dev team except sangar?

L1096[11:20:31] <Lizzy> Sangar

L1097[11:20:32] <sugoi> MalkContent: did you feed it after midnight?

L1098[11:20:38] <Sangar> o/

L1099[11:20:44] <Lizzy> speak of the devil

L1100[11:20:54] <sugoi> Noire: there are ~80 contributors that have PRs merged into Sangar's github source

L1101[11:20:57] <Sangar> muhahaha

L1102[11:20:58] <sugoi> Noire: but there is only One

L1103[11:21:00] <Noire> ЩР

L1104[11:21:02] <Noire> OH

L1105[11:21:04] <Noire> U R HERE

L1106[11:21:06] <Noire> OH GD

L1107[11:21:09] <sugoi> haha

L1108[11:21:16] <Sangar> >_>

L1109[11:21:17] <Vexatos> Sangar!

L1110[11:21:18] <Noire> Sangar!

L1111[11:21:20] <sugoi> Sangar: feeling better?

L1112[11:21:22] <Vexatos> You seen what I have done

L1113[11:21:23] <Noire> PLEASE!

L1114[11:21:26] <Vexatos> you seen the HORRIBLE things

L1115[11:21:35] <Noire> HALP

L1116[11:21:44] <Sangar> sugoi, ya, thanks :)

L1117[11:21:56] <MalkContent> is keeping the eeprom in a loop a bad thing?

L1118[11:21:57] <sugoi> Noire: we're all happy to help, if you had questions

L1119[11:22:07] <Vexatos> Sangar, http://git.io/vgNAQ guess what I have done

L1120[11:22:43] <Sangar> moar scala->java portery? :X

L1121[11:22:47] <Noire> So, my problem is robot integration with claiming plugins

L1122[11:22:47] <Vexatos> Sangar, even worse http://git.io/vgdyr

L1123[11:22:55] <Vexatos> DO YOU SEE IT NOW

L1124[11:23:05] <Noire> https://github.com/MassiveCraft/Factions/blob/2bcd828e2bd52481c7c6b4ce6f297f741a8ac608/src/com/massivecraft/factions/engine/EngineMain.java#L1664

L1125[11:23:05] <Vexatos> D;

L1126[11:23:09] <Noire> https://github.com/MassiveCraft/MassiveCore/blob/master/src/com/massivecraft/massivecore/util/MUtil.java#L359

L1127[11:23:11] <Noire> so

L1128[11:23:16] <Sangar> oh my

L1129[11:23:20] <Noire> this is the claiming mechanics of the FActions

L1130[11:23:58] <Vexatos> Sangar, TL;DR: Noise Card in Computronics. Basically a beep card with an 8-entry buffer and 4 modes, 1 per channel

L1131[11:23:58] <Noire> And the problem is that robot can grief protected land by wrenching machines by a IC2 Wrench, and sucking items from the protected chests

L1132[11:24:29] <Noire> Blocking/Placing protection works well with robot

L1133[11:24:39] <Noire> just use() and suck() bypasing

L1134[11:24:50] <MalkContent> http://pastebin.com/KBWZdZXN

L1135[11:25:15] * Lizzy hmms

L1136[11:25:22] <Lizzy> I think the forum emails are slightly broken

L1137[11:25:25] <Noire> Sangar, can yu please help with this?

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L1139[11:26:03] <Noire> I know it works well with WorldGuard, but Factions is a coreplugin for m

L1140[11:26:10] <Noire> me*

L1141[11:26:13] <MalkContent> what i don't get is how it runs in a case

L1142[11:26:22] <MalkContent> but not in the µC

L1143[11:26:58] <Sangar> Noire, tell factions to handle Forge's ForgeEventFactory.onPlayerInteract event i guess?

L1144[11:27:02] <MalkContent> imma add a solarpanel on a creative one and see if that works

L1145[11:27:32] <sugoi> fingercomp: the proxy fails because of the __pairs meta

L1146[11:27:45] <Noire> it is using alrady: https://github.com/MassiveCraft/Factions/blob/2bcd828e2bd52481c7c6b4ce6f297f741a8ac608/src/com/massivecraft/factions/engine/EngineMain.java#L1638

L1147[11:27:47] <sugoi> but the proxy table is still quite usuable, for example, proxy.address returns the "old" string

L1148[11:28:31] <fingercomp> sugoi: okay

L1149[11:29:16] <Sangar> Noire, well, that's what oc fires to check if an agent may interact with a block (http://git.io/vgNxd), so idk why that wouldn't work then

L1150[11:29:16] <MalkContent> meh. doesn't generate energy apparently

L1151[11:29:52] <sugoi> Sangar: i think the beset way to check if a component proxy is valid (if you think it may have been lost) is to check component.proxy(handle_to_lost_proxy.address)

L1152[11:30:02] <Noire> :C

L1153[11:30:06] <Noire> idk what to do

L1154[11:30:08] <sugoi> I don't see a proxy.isAvailable() type call

L1155[11:32:01] <MalkContent> grml

L1156[11:32:08] * MalkContent kicks µC

L1157[11:32:09] <Sangar> sugoi, yeah, that should work

L1158[11:32:51] <Vexatos> Sangar, so now I'm thinking of adding a third audio card

L1159[11:32:56] <Vexatos> a Sound Card

L1160[11:32:57] <Sangar> :X

L1161[11:33:07] <Noire> Sangar: there is no way to support factions on OC side?

L1162[11:33:11] <Sangar> the audio powercreep has begun!

L1163[11:33:28] <Noire> but it works with blockplacing

L1164[11:33:32] <Vexatos> which means MODULATION

L1165[11:33:37] <Noire> whats wrong? i cant undersand

L1166[11:33:46] <Vexatos> Sangar, beep card is tier 2

L1167[11:33:49] <Vexatos> noise card tier 3

L1168[11:33:49] <Sangar> Noire, if it has an api and someone does a pr for an integration module for it, i'd probably merge it

L1169[11:33:53] <Vexatos> obviously sound card will be tier 4

L1170[11:33:54] <Vexatos> duh

L1171[11:34:00] <MalkContent> someone got a working eeprom code for µCs somewhere?

L1172[11:34:04] <Lizzy> Right, home time

L1173[11:34:15] <MalkContent> don't care what it does, just wanna see that it runs for me

L1174[11:34:15] <Lizzy> since i'm actually being told to get out the building :P

L1175[11:34:22] <Sangar> Vexatos, creative sound card? :P (get it?)

L1176[11:34:31] <Vexatos> (ermahgurd)

L1177[11:34:34] <sugoi> Sangar: can i sneak in a feature request? :) user_data=gpu.store(x,y,w,h) and gpu.load(user_data,x,y[,w,h])

L1178[11:34:49] <sugoi> Lizzy: o/

L1179[11:35:06] <Vexatos> Sangar, anyways. I need to add FM functions as well as filter functions, and there is obviously no way to allow Lua directly to make those since I wouldn't be able to run them on a client

L1180[11:35:09] <Vexatos> sooooo

L1181[11:35:14] <Vexatos> :X

L1182[11:35:23] <Vexatos> help with API design pls kthx

L1183[11:35:34] <Noire> what is pr?

L1184[11:35:40] <sugoi> Noire: github pull request

L1185[11:35:44] <Sangar> sugoi, given it's slow enough to not make fancy offscreen buffering irrelevant, sure, sounds reasonable

L1186[11:36:00] <sugoi> Sangar: want an official feature request for it? i'll write it up

L1187[11:36:05] <Sangar> Vexatos, fun times

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L1189[11:36:11] <Sangar> sugoi, sure thing

L1190[11:36:23] <sugoi> Noire: https://yangsu.github.io/pull-request-tutorial/

L1191[11:36:24] <Sangar> i need those as reminders more than ever >_>

L1192[11:36:27] <Noire> okay, and how block breaking check works?

L1193[11:38:42] <Vexatos> Sangar, /me opens issue "pls help me with api design"

L1194[11:40:18] <Noire> okay, i opened issue for factions, but i dont think it will help :C

L1195[11:40:48] <Noire> Sangar: can you please show me how robot block placing check works?

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L1197[11:44:56] <Noire> 123

L1198[11:46:46] <sugoi> haha, so many requests

L1199[11:46:53] <sugoi> Sangar! Sangar! can you file my taxes for me?

L1200[11:46:55] <sugoi> kthanks

L1201[11:47:03] <Noire> lol

L1202[11:47:03] <MalkContent> hm. example piston eeprom works :|

L1203[11:47:40] <MalkContent> Sangar: replace redstone i/o with adapters with redstone cards(?)

L1204[11:48:35] <Noire> :C

L1205[11:52:25] <MalkContent> hmm

L1206[11:52:49] <MalkContent> when i add a while true do end at the end of the eeprom the light actually stays green for a whil

L1207[11:52:51] <MalkContent> e

L1208[11:52:56] <MalkContent> and then goes red

L1209[11:53:03] <Noire> Sangar: what about binding ALL of the robot actions to a playername?

L1210[11:53:21] <MalkContent> too long w/o yielding. go away stupid thing

L1211[11:53:35] <Noire> like interacting with a chest with a player name

L1212[11:53:55] <Noire> TL:DR: make robot a little clone of me :D

L1213[11:55:00] <Sangar> Noire, somewhere in here https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/scala/li/cil/oc/server/agent/Player.scala ; and by default it is (i.e. it uses the owning player's profile iirc)

L1214[11:55:27] <Sangar> sugoi, i wish i could, but i'd not know what i were doing :X

L1215[11:55:57] <Sangar> MalkContent, nah

L1216[11:56:20] <Sangar> Vexatos, api? for the audio things? :P

L1217[11:56:31] <Vexatos> The Sound Card's ManagedEnvironment

L1218[11:56:32] <Vexatos> basically

L1219[11:58:29] <Noire> i dont understand, why does this working with blocks, but not with interaction

L1220[11:58:37] <Noire> and suck()

L1221[11:58:41] <Noire> function

L1222[11:59:32] <Sangar> well it's a completely different codepath so it's not that surprising :P

L1223[11:59:58] <Noire> is it possible to make this mechanic similar?

L1224[12:00:04] <sugoi> nice. just made my component_unavailable code really cool, now my system never comes online

L1225[12:00:09] <Noire> oh

L1226[12:00:11] <MalkContent> but it'd get rid of a block :I

L1227[12:00:12] <Noire> i forgot

L1228[12:00:34] <Noire> problem of interaction is just for IC2 wrench

L1229[12:00:46] <Noire> for example TE4 wrench working well

L1230[12:00:51] <Noire> with protected machines

L1231[12:01:06] <Noire> ONLY Ic2

L1232[12:01:23] <Noire> but on the other side we have a suck() grief

L1233[12:01:25] <Vexatos> sooo sangar any idea? >_>

L1234[12:01:58] <MalkContent> grrrr. a computer is identical to a microcontroller when they have the same components, no?

L1235[12:02:40] <MalkContent> besides the whole can't access external components thing

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L1237[12:03:09] <Noire> IC2 is always a headache, but know it is an asspaun

L1238[12:03:14] <Noire> pain*

L1239[12:04:31] <Sangar> Vexatos, not enough context, so not really :X

L1240[12:04:38] <MalkContent> the hell. now the computer doesn't work anymore either. why hast thou forsaken me

L1241[12:05:10] <Lizzy> For thou art a faggot

L1242[12:05:12] <Lizzy> jk

L1243[12:05:14] <Noire> sangar: any ideas for IC2?

L1244[12:05:16] <Lizzy> I'm home

L1245[12:05:40] <MalkContent> o, wrong eeprom

L1246[12:05:45] <MalkContent> working again

L1247[12:07:59] <Sangar> Noire, not really, no, if that works with other tools almost sounds like ic2 does things in some funky way

L1248[12:08:21] <Noire> aaah

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L1251[12:08:49] <gamax92> Happy birthday to me

L1252[12:08:50] <Noire> prohibiting robot is suicidal for my server

L1253[12:08:56] <Noire> :C

L1254[12:09:03] <Noire> happy B-dy, gamax92

L1255[12:09:17] <ocdoc> Happy birthday, gamax92!

L1256[12:10:05] <Sangar> as for suck/drop, that also fires an interact event, soooo... http://git.io/vgATg

L1257[12:10:15] <Vexatos> Sangar, I want to have a sound card

L1258[12:10:18] <Vexatos> with 8 channels

L1259[12:10:18] <Sangar> good job on not dying for another year, gamax92

L1260[12:10:25] <gamax92> yay

L1261[12:10:29] <Vexatos> and a buffer on each channel

L1262[12:10:40] <Vexatos> like http://git.io/vgATX

L1263[12:10:45] <Vexatos> but with wave modulation

L1264[12:10:53] <gamax92> Vexatos: stop using that term

L1265[12:11:02] <Vexatos> gamax92, why

L1266[12:11:07] <gamax92> say something like programmable waveform instead

L1267[12:11:12] <Vexatos> But it isn't

L1268[12:11:17] <gamax92> >_>;

L1269[12:11:19] <Vexatos> You can't change the wave form directly

L1270[12:11:40] <gamax92> then wtf is the whole passing a lua function to the client supposed to do

L1271[12:11:51] <Vexatos> Nothing since you are not able to do that

L1272[12:11:57] <Noire> Sangar: So what? Waiting for factions author answer?

L1273[12:11:58] <gamax92> no no Vexatos

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L1275[12:12:00] <gamax92> IF

L1276[12:12:01] <Vexatos> Client doesn't run a Lua VM

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L1278[12:12:12] <Vexatos> well IF I wouldn't have this problem, gamax92

L1279[12:12:12] <gamax92> because you kept saying it yesterday

L1280[12:12:51] <Vexatos> My idea (more Temia's idea) would be a callback to assign a channel to another channel as either an amplitude or a frequency modulator

L1281[12:13:06] <Vexatos> AM is super easy to do

L1282[12:13:19] <Vexatos> But FM would need certain (hardcoded) functions again

L1283[12:13:34] <Vexatos> filters would have to be a hardcoded set, too

L1284[12:13:48] <Sangar> Noire, i guess. or throw the two mods in a devenv and debug the callback in factions to see if it's called/what it does/doesn't do yourself :P

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L1286[12:14:26] <gamax92> Vexatos: don't you mean additive synthesis instead of amplitude modulation?

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L1288[12:14:39] <Noire> devenv?

L1289[12:14:46] <sugoi> Noire: here is the best way to deal with opensource mods

L1290[12:15:00] <Noire> T_T

L1291[12:15:02] <sugoi> Noire: if you see a problem, make an issue (Report a bug) on their site (e.g. github)

L1292[12:15:20] <sugoi> Noire: then move on. if you really want it fixed, you fix it (if their source is available)

L1293[12:15:31] <sugoi> and then provide a PR (pull request) for them to accept your fix for the community

L1294[12:15:42] <Noire> you know, plugin authors are often egoistic for mods issues

L1295[12:15:48] <sugoi> but coming in a channel as just complaining to a mod author "FIX IT" isn't the way to handle this

L1296[12:15:56] <Noire> they are working just with bukkit isues, not forge

L1297[12:16:06] <sugoi> Noire: you need to read what i wrote

L1298[12:16:10] <Vexatos> gamax92, additive synthesis is already there, indirectly

L1299[12:16:14] <Vexatos> due to 8 channels

L1300[12:16:18] <Noire> i made an issue already

L1301[12:16:25] <gamax92> Vexatos: yeah I guess that's kinda true

L1302[12:16:27] <Vexatos> waves playing simultaneously = additive synthesis

L1303[12:16:30] <sugoi> then either A) move on, or B) fix it yourself

L1304[12:16:37] <Vexatos> since OpenAL literally just adds the waves

L1305[12:16:40] <Noire> okay

L1306[12:16:51] <Vexatos> No, AM is modulating a channel using another channel

L1307[12:16:53] <Sangar> ugh, still more errors -.- the 1.8.9 port isn't fun

L1308[12:16:55] <Vexatos> i.e. multiplying the waves

L1309[12:16:57] <Vexatos> instead of adding them

L1310[12:17:03] <Vexatos> super easy stuff

L1311[12:17:18] <Vexatos> FM and filters are the part that are a pity

L1312[12:17:27] <Vexatos> because I have to hardcode FM functions and filters

L1313[12:17:27] <Vexatos> :/

L1314[12:18:48] <MalkContent> .. the different sides of a µC have different addresses

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L1317[12:22:14] <ping> spreading the word: update your glibc

L1318[12:22:21] <Vexatos> So if we find no solution to having FM and filter functions hardcoded....

L1319[12:22:28] <Vexatos> which ones would you like to see

L1320[12:22:29] <Vexatos> >_>

L1321[12:22:33] <g> linked that earlier, ping, but can't hurt to remind people

L1322[12:22:39] <Vexatos> ping, what happened

L1323[12:22:56] <ping> Vexatos, stack overflow in a glibc dns function

L1324[12:22:57] <g> nasty buffer overflow in the dns resolver

L1325[12:23:09] <ping> so please, update your glibc

L1326[12:23:11] <Vexatos> which version has it fixed?

L1327[12:23:13] <g> yeah

L1328[12:23:16] <g> the very latest one

L1329[12:23:20] <g> the patch came out yesterday

L1330[12:23:25] <ping> ill check my libc version

L1331[12:23:29] <ping> i just updated yesterday

L1332[12:23:47] <Vexatos> how do I do that? :p

L1333[12:23:49] <g> I was about to check but mintty broke

L1334[12:23:57] <sugoi> Sangar: btw, thanks for the /oc_sc advice :)

L1335[12:24:10] <sugoi> now i have flat worlds with computer pillars all over the place

L1336[12:24:13] <Sangar> quite useful for testing no? :P

L1337[12:24:16] <Sangar> haha

L1338[12:24:21] <ping> Debian GLIBC 2.19-18+deb8u3

L1339[12:24:25] <ping> latest on jessie

L1340[12:24:27] <sugoi> also, did you like the last -x fix? i've been using it, no issues yet

L1341[12:24:28] <Vexatos> how do I check my version

L1342[12:24:57] <g> what's the name of the libc package again?

L1343[12:25:53] <Sangar> sugoi, was it the one i merged? i kinda lost track :X

L1344[12:25:53] <gamax92> Vexatos: does your card have an ADSR?

L1345[12:26:06] <Vexatos> gamax92, well I can certainly add one

L1346[12:26:11] <ping> g, libc6?

L1347[12:26:12] <Vexatos> that's my point

L1348[12:26:21] <g> that's the one

L1349[12:26:31] <g> Version: 2.21-0ubuntu4.1

L1350[12:26:49] <sugoi> Sangar: checking, there _was_ one issue we were discussing before you fell ill

L1351[12:26:59] <gamax92> Vexatos: if i understand, is the issue that you don't know what to send to the client?

L1352[12:27:16] <Vexatos> gamax92, as well as which functions would be commonly needed

L1353[12:27:18] <Vexatos> for filters

L1354[12:27:30] <gamax92> filter frequency and filter type

L1355[12:27:32] <Vexatos> for FM, you can literally have any function and it would make sense

L1356[12:27:42] <Vexatos> so I don't even know what I COULD add

L1357[12:27:48] <gamax92> >_> wat?

L1358[12:27:50] <sugoi> Sangar: yes, we need that latest PR, but i don't want to do this yet a 3rd time - so, when you have time to give it a looksie and such

L1359[12:28:09] <gamax92> for FM, you just say combine channel A and channel B as FM modulation

L1360[12:28:15] <sugoi> or, if you just want to comment some test cases you'd like me to run. i've done some, but another perspective is good

L1361[12:28:21] <Vexatos> ADSR basically is a filter, or am I misunderstanding it :P

L1362[12:28:25] <Sangar> ah there's an open one

L1363[12:28:35] <gamax92> Vexatos: ADSR is volume ramping

L1364[12:28:40] <Vexatos> yea

L1365[12:28:50] <gamax92> don't know why it'd be a filter

L1366[12:28:57] <Sangar> i'll give it a run; weekend at the latest i hope

L1367[12:29:17] <Vexatos> pretty much like a filter, just applied to all frequencies, no?

L1368[12:29:23] <sugoi> Sangar: so yeah, i'd rather not miss something a 3rd time. either if you would test/play with it or just comment on the PR with some ideas (in case you think of stuff i didn't)

L1369[12:29:47] <sugoi> basic manual tests seem fine, and install is clean

L1370[12:29:49] <Vexatos> a filter changes the amplitude depending on the frequency, ADSR changes it in a certain pattern no matter the frequency

L1371[12:29:50] <sugoi> anywho

L1372[12:29:53] <sugoi> thanks

L1373[12:30:08] <Noire> another thing - disabling robot interaction in config doesnt works

L1374[12:30:15] <Noire> what about this?

L1375[12:30:37] <Sangar> sugoi, will do, and yeah, install was really my main 'test' :P will see what i can think of

L1376[12:31:23] <MalkContent> why does this run on a computer but not a µC ... http://pastebin.com/RtAPxZFU

L1377[12:31:28] <MalkContent> am i missing something painfully obvious

L1378[12:32:02] <MalkContent> ignore the running = true

L1379[12:33:28] <gamax92> Vexatos: :/

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L1381[12:33:31] <Noire> Sangar: or this feature works only for levers and buttons?

L1382[12:33:38] <gamax92> No that's not at all what a filter is

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L1384[12:33:59] <Vexatos> wait, what

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L1386[12:34:01] <Vexatos> what is it then

L1387[12:34:12] <Sangar> there's a setting for that? >_>

L1388[12:34:14] <Vexatos> it's a function you apply to a wave to change it, no? .-.

L1389[12:34:21] <Noire> yes

L1390[12:34:24] <gamax92> yes, but it's not for amplitude

L1391[12:34:33] <Noire> allowActivateBlocks=false

L1392[12:34:34] <gamax92> A filter tries to remove or lessen frequencies above/below a certain frequency level

L1393[12:34:52] <Vexatos> "remove" = amplitude 0

L1394[12:35:03] <Vexatos> exactly what I meant

L1395[12:35:08] <Vexatos> but more general

L1396[12:35:11] <Vexatos> it may also just reduce it

L1397[12:35:15] <MalkContent> non messy version: http://pastebin.com/V9kbqtAL

L1398[12:35:22] <Sangar> Noire, define doesnt work then

L1399[12:35:27] <gamax92> Vexatos: you compared it to an ADSR

L1400[12:35:38] <Noire> robot can still use things equipped with

L1401[12:35:41] <Vexatos> well sure

L1402[12:35:42] <Noire> wrenches, ec

L1403[12:35:44] <Noire> etc

L1404[12:35:45] <Vexatos> I shouldn't call it filter

L1405[12:35:48] <Vexatos> but uuuh

L1406[12:35:49] <Sangar> ah, noire: that's just for activating blocks. not for using items

L1407[12:35:54] <Noire> oooh

L1408[12:35:58] <Sangar> as the name says :X

L1409[12:36:00] <Vexatos> More AM?

L1410[12:36:06] <Vexatos> Static AM?

L1411[12:36:18] <gamax92> Vexatos: ADSR and a general volume just makes EVERY frequency that the waveform is creating higher or lower

L1412[12:36:19] <Vexatos> opposed to the dynamic AM you get from using a channel as modulator

L1413[12:36:22] <Noire> so, can you add config feature for disabling interaction and sucking items?

L1414[12:36:27] <Vexatos> yes exactly, gamax92

L1415[12:36:31] <Vexatos> frequency-independent AM

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L1417[12:36:38] <Vexatos> filter is frequency-dependent AM

L1418[12:36:54] <gamax92> o.o;; wat

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L1420[12:37:05] <Noire> this is radical, but the only way to use robot

L1421[12:37:10] <Noire> for me

L1422[12:37:17] <Vexatos> gamax92, is it not

L1423[12:38:06] <gamax92> okay sure it kinda is but I've not heard anyone every compare it like that.

L1424[12:38:28] <Vexatos> so what :P

L1425[12:38:35] <Vexatos> I can make up terms, I am a modder

L1426[12:38:45] <Vexatos> I haven't ever heard anyone talking about a Noise Card either

L1427[12:39:35] <Noire> Sangar: what you can say about this?

L1428[12:39:36] <sugoi> does EnderBot2 take quotes?

L1429[12:39:54] <gamax92> Vexatos: AM kinda implies you're using some sort of period waveform

L1430[12:40:02] <Vexatos> yes

L1431[12:40:05] <Vexatos> as I said

L1432[12:40:10] <Vexatos> "AM" -> dynamic AM

L1433[12:40:14] <Vexatos> modulator onto channel

L1434[12:40:15] <Sangar> Noire, i'd rather factions used forge events, really (also what you linked earlier is bukkit's player interact stuff, so if there's nothing that translates forge's events to bukkit i guess someone should write such a plugin? i know nothing about bukkit really)

L1435[12:40:25] <Vexatos> filters, ADSR -> static AM

L1436[12:40:28] <Vexatos> always does the same

L1437[12:40:45] <gamax92> you don't fucking multiple to create a filter ;-;

L1438[12:40:56] <Vexatos> well I could

L1439[12:40:58] <Sangar> i'm sure a lot of other mods would benefit from that, too, since they'd probably use forges events too, and not the bukkit ones...

L1440[12:41:03] <Vexatos> if(freq < whatever) return 0;

L1441[12:41:04] <Vexatos> done

L1442[12:41:05] <Vexatos> :D

L1443[12:41:14] <Vexatos> high-pass filter magic~

L1444[12:41:26] <gamax92> Vexatos no

L1445[12:41:40] <gamax92> Vexatos: you know how a square wave doesn't sound like a sine wave?

L1446[12:41:45] <Sangar> but sure, i might add such a setting some time. after i finish the 1.8 port of oc 1.6... which i'm making painfully slow progress on due to a number of reasons :X

L1447[12:41:54] <Vexatos> gamax92, yes?

L1448[12:42:06] <gamax92> because the square wave, while clocked at a certain frequency, is adding shit tones of extra higher frequencies

L1449[12:42:33] <Vexatos> ...yes?

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L1451[12:42:47] <gamax92> but if I set a filter in the middle of those extra higher frequencies, respective to whatever sampling rate, it doesn't just make everything go to 0

L1452[12:43:07] <Noire> okay

L1453[12:43:10] <Vexatos> well how do you expect me to implement stuff like that

L1454[12:43:16] <Noire> i will google for some event bridge

L1455[12:43:17] <gamax92> not.

L1456[12:43:20] <Vexatos> see

L1457[12:43:31] <Vexatos> I will have filters, that filter out certain frequencies

L1458[12:43:41] <Vexatos> But I have to do all that

L1459[12:43:46] <Vexatos> before OpenAL gets the stuff

L1460[12:43:55] <Lizzy> so i got bored and attached my old crappy tv monitor to my computer then spanned minecraft across all of them https://www.theender.net/shx/zion/75c5-66.jpg (would have done the span dispolays through nvidia's control panel but it's not working :/)

L1461[12:43:55] <gamax92> sure, but if(freq < whatever) is just ... not a filter

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L1463[12:44:09] <Vexatos> what would a high-pass filter look like?

L1464[12:44:17] <Vexatos> in java

L1465[12:44:43] <gamax92> I forget, I had to do that once for a project.

L1466[12:45:16] <Vexatos> great

L1467[12:45:19] <Vexatos> I have never done it

L1468[12:45:28] <sugoi> does an APU send a gpu available event?

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L1470[12:46:00] <sugoi> oh blimey

L1471[12:46:03] <sugoi> my stupid code....

L1472[12:46:55] <Vexatos> "blimey" 2british4me

L1473[12:47:32] * Lizzy throws tea bags at Vexatos

L1474[12:48:00] <sugoi> i just hate it when my code works perfectly in ocemu

L1475[12:48:04] <sugoi> and then fails in-game

L1476[12:48:13] <gamax92> sugoi: like what?

L1477[12:48:36] <sugoi> for example, component.proxy is SUPER fast in ocemu

L1478[12:48:40] <sugoi> and very slow in-game

L1479[12:48:47] <gamax92> oh, haha :P

L1480[12:49:03] <sugoi> in edit.lua, it calls term.isAvailable like 40 times every time you press a key

L1481[12:49:06] <sugoi> seriously, 40 times

L1482[12:49:16] <sugoi> my impl of isAvailable was calling proxy

L1483[12:49:20] <sugoi> so edit was utter crap

L1484[12:49:35] <Vexatos> gamax92, if you want to help me, go ahead

L1485[12:49:40] <sugoi> another example, in the past, i had some smart dynamic library loading code

L1486[12:49:41] <Vexatos> :>

L1487[12:49:59] <gamax92> Vexatos: I'm not too sure about how to lowpass though

L1488[12:49:59] <sugoi> in ocemu, it was awesome, but in-game, to my horror :), gc was being called WAAAY more than i expected

L1489[12:50:02] <gamax92> erm, high pass

L1490[12:50:18] <Vexatos> I mean, a frequency is all I can get, really

L1491[12:50:21] <Vexatos> that's the issue

L1492[12:50:25] <sugoi> um...and now -- in-game, my terminal never becomes available, but in ocemu, boot is great

L1493[12:50:26] <Vexatos> the frequency and the current position

L1494[12:50:32] <gamax92> Vexatos: what? no you have the audio data itself

L1495[12:50:33] <sugoi> i'll have the reason .... when i fix this

L1496[12:51:04] <gamax92> you're applying the filter to the audio data, not to some clock number

L1497[12:51:08] <Vexatos> gamax92, yea, I have the current value after FM and AM etc are already applied (filters would go last I guess)

L1498[12:51:24] <Vexatos> that plus the current freq would get passed to the filter I guess

L1499[12:51:40] <Vexatos> and probably the position

L1500[12:51:45] <Vexatos> the sample index or something

L1501[12:51:55] <gamax92> A filter gets raw audio data, a frequency, and how to filter it

L1502[12:52:17] <gamax92> so just imagine you have a .wav file, and you're told to cut off all frequencies above 5000

L1503[12:52:18] <Vexatos> so I'd give it the completely assembled byte buffer?

L1504[12:52:54] <gamax92> I guess raw audio data is kinda wrong in this sense, more or less audio signal though, whatever that happens to be

L1505[12:54:09] <Vexatos> http://git.io/vgAG2 I'd like to integrate it into this system

L1506[12:55:24] <gamax92> Vexatos: right, I forgot you just stole sangar's system :P

L1507[12:55:26] <Vexatos> of course there wouldn't be a constant frequency anymore

L1508[12:55:27] <Vexatos> yesss

L1509[12:55:31] <Vexatos> I can't into OpenAL

L1510[12:55:32] <Vexatos> sorry

L1511[12:56:46] <Vexatos> Not sure how the frequency would be calculated

L1512[12:56:55] <Vexatos> but there must be some way

L1513[13:02:01] <gamax92> I wonder if OpenAL could play a double array

L1514[13:02:56] <Vexatos> It's a pity you can't just easily calculate a frequency

L1515[13:03:00] <Vexatos> like, super easily

L1516[13:03:11] <Vexatos> because AM and FM any anything else is actually easy to do

L1517[13:03:18] <Vexatos> you just need to run the right functions on the current values

L1518[13:03:28] <Vexatos> but getting the actual frequency? :/

L1519[13:04:56] <Vexatos> that's what I'd like to know

L1520[13:05:14] <Vexatos> I need some way of getting the frequency... but I don't think I can

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L1522[13:13:10] <Noire> Sangar, can u look at this? https://github.com/gamerforEA/EventHelper/commits/master

L1523[13:14:59] * MalkContent 's eye twitches

L1524[13:16:06] <MalkContent> sooo...

L1525[13:16:23] <Vexatos> so yea, gamax92.

L1526[13:16:27] <gamax92> Vexatos: what, that would be FFT :P

L1527[13:16:28] <Vexatos> Thanks for elaborating, anyway

L1528[13:16:32] <Vexatos> FFT?

L1529[13:16:42] <Vexatos> oh

L1530[13:16:43] <Vexatos> that

L1531[13:16:45] <Vexatos> well

L1532[13:16:46] <Vexatos> sure

L1533[13:16:52] <Vexatos> find me a Java impl of that

L1534[13:16:53] <MalkContent> sign i/o works different in an adapter to in a robot/µC

L1535[13:17:27] <gamax92> Vexatos: Apache Math stuff

L1536[13:17:32] <MalkContent> no side parameter

L1537[13:17:32] <Vexatos> orly

L1538[13:17:46] <xarses> in custom recipes, can we define multiple recipes for the same output?

L1539[13:17:50] <gamax92> you don't and normally don't have to go full FFT for a filter

L1540[13:18:14] <sugoi> gamax92: who/why do you know about audio?

L1541[13:18:16] <sugoi> how*

L1542[13:18:50] <gamax92> I wrote a synthesizer library myself

L1543[13:19:05] <sugoi> for kicks and giggles?

L1544[13:19:10] <gamax92> and have written implementations of the SID and OPL3

L1545[13:19:14] <gamax92> yes for kicks and giggles

L1546[13:19:21] <Vexatos> so yea

L1547[13:19:25] <Vexatos> thanks for helping then :P

L1548[13:19:28] <Vexatos> crap

L1549[13:19:52] <Vexatos> I don't have access to amache math stuff™

L1550[13:19:58] <Vexatos> and no I won't repack it or anything

L1551[13:20:10] <Vexatos> apache*

L1552[13:20:28] <gamax92> the problem is that there is also no one way of doing a low pass filter

L1553[13:20:29] <Vexatos> gamax92, I would REALLY like to get this sound card to become a thing

L1554[13:20:30] <Vexatos> :P

L1555[13:20:31] <MalkContent> that is the freaking evilest thing

L1556[13:21:03] <gamax92> and I don't mean implementation wise I mean, some will slope off all the frequencies so everything above/below gets quieter the more you go out

L1557[13:21:27] <gamax92> and some have very steep cutoff where everything above is super quiet

L1558[13:21:55] <MalkContent> 3 hours down the drain to find out that the stupid sign can only be in front and that it's setValue(string) , which of course doesn't like setValue(int, string)

L1559[13:22:25] <Vexatos> gamax92, I guess

L1560[13:22:36] <Vexatos> those I'd call different filters, then

L1561[13:22:49] <Vexatos> as I said, would have to see how to do different filter modes

L1562[13:23:12] <gamax92> filter per channel, overall filter?

L1563[13:23:26] <gamax92> overall filter but different filter types per channel?

L1564[13:23:47] <Vexatos> per channel

L1565[13:23:50] <sugoi> woah

L1566[13:23:54] <Vexatos> one filter

L1567[13:24:04] <sugoi> updating the mod updates existing loot discs ?

L1568[13:24:07] <sugoi> i did not expect that

L1569[13:24:10] <Vexatos> as as much AM or FM as you want since those take up one channel each anyway

L1570[13:24:47] <Vexatos> I'd call the different types of *-pass filters all different filters

L1571[13:24:49] <Vexatos> for simplicity

L1572[13:24:50] <gamax92> opl3 doesn't have a filter and sid has an overall frequency but different filter types per channel

L1573[13:25:01] <Vexatos> I won't use any libs for this

L1574[13:25:06] <Vexatos> sorry :/

L1575[13:25:11] <Vexatos> Had too many issues with those already

L1576[13:25:26] <Vexatos> any libs that aren't in my dev env right now*

L1577[13:26:10] <gamax92> you could maybe just not do filters :P

L1578[13:26:44] <Vexatos> Then it wouldn't be a real sound card :(

L1579[13:26:50] <Vexatos> even if it'd simplify like

L1580[13:26:52] <Vexatos> everything

L1581[13:26:59] <Vexatos> since nothing else requires a frequency to work

L1582[13:27:08] <Vexatos> AM and FM can just have functions called directly

L1583[13:27:11] <gamax92> why are filters the key defining factor of a synthesizer?

L1584[13:27:25] <Vexatos> and ADSR can just depend on the sample index

L1585[13:27:36] <Vexatos> dunno, I thought it was :P

L1586[13:28:39] <gamax92> Vexatos: erm, sample index as in number of samples from whenever you keyon/keyoff ?

L1587[13:28:57] <Vexatos> number of samples since 0

L1588[13:29:04] <Vexatos> You have a buffer of 8 channel entries

L1589[13:29:21] <gamax92> what is 0 in this case

L1590[13:29:22] <Vexatos> each is a basic wave form with a duration and an initial delay since the last entry

L1591[13:29:28] <Vexatos> the start of the buffer

L1592[13:29:52] <gamax92> oh you're doing it like that ...

L1593[13:29:58] <Vexatos> So i guess you'd have ADSR implemented like

L1594[13:30:03] <Vexatos> give it the values it needs

L1595[13:30:07] <Vexatos> and the initial delay, too

L1596[13:30:11] <Vexatos> to tell it when to start

L1597[13:30:27] <Vexatos> (in milliseconds)

L1598[13:30:31] <Vexatos> no wait

L1599[13:30:32] <Vexatos> in seconds

L1600[13:30:37] <Vexatos> everything on the Lua side is in seconds

L1601[13:30:45] <Vexatos> converting that to a sample index is rather trivial

L1602[13:30:46] <Vexatos> :P

L1603[13:31:32] <Vexatos> what do you think, gamax92

L1604[13:33:21] <gamax92> So I guess if you are specifically stating each sound goes for X seconds, you'd run the ADS from beginning of the note (after initial delay), SR from (note duration-release time), and everything between the two is just S

L1605[13:34:08] <Vexatos> I guess I could push ADSR onto the channel buffer of 8 entries just as another entry

L1606[13:34:12] <Vexatos> the channel itself would be muted

L1607[13:34:19] <Vexatos> but the ADSR would have a target channel

L1608[13:34:24] <Vexatos> and basically work like a modulator

L1609[13:34:57] <gamax92> so then you'd only have 4 channels?

L1610[13:34:57] <Vexatos> that way you could have multiple different ones targetting the same channel during your play

L1611[13:35:02] <sugoi> can mc load a mod unziped?

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L1613[13:35:24] <Vexatos> You would basically be able to add ADSR targetting channel y to channel x

L1614[13:35:39] <gamax92> :/

L1615[13:35:43] <Vexatos> and channel x itself would, instead of playing a sound itself during that time, just make no sound

L1616[13:35:51] <gamax92> why wouldn't each channel get their own ADSR

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L1618[13:36:27] <Vexatos> well this way you could clearly specify multiple variations of ADSR

L1619[13:36:36] <Vexatos> targetting a single channel

L1620[13:36:45] <Vexatos> ...I guess I could go above the 8-channel limit then

L1621[13:36:51] <Vexatos> even if that'd make the packets a lot bigger

L1622[13:37:05] <Vexatos> well

L1623[13:37:08] <Vexatos> not a lot, I guess

L1624[13:37:09] <Vexatos> just slightly

L1625[13:37:15] <Vexatos> 4 bytes vs 1 byte

L1626[13:37:16] <gamax92> Vexatos: you ... want multiple channels to volume ramp one channel?

L1627[13:37:17] <Vexatos> not that much

L1628[13:37:32] <Vexatos> gamax92, why not?

L1629[13:37:39] <Vexatos> order would be the order of channel indices

L1630[13:37:57] <Vexatos> of course noone would ever do that

L1631[13:38:01] <Vexatos> but why not make it possible

L1632[13:38:08] <gamax92> how would that even work

L1633[13:38:25] <Vexatos> well ADSR would take the sample index and determind the current volume

L1634[13:38:35] <Temia> Wait, how are you transmitting frequencies?

L1635[13:38:36] <Vexatos> return a value between 0 and 1 by which the current value would be multiplied

L1636[13:38:40] <Vexatos> to make it more quiet

L1637[13:38:50] <Vexatos> then the next ADSR would do the same

L1638[13:39:08] <Vexatos> Temia, not at all in this case

L1639[13:39:16] <Temia> Ah, okay, I misunderstood.

L1640[13:39:17] <Vexatos> just the base frequencies of the base channels

L1641[13:39:22] <Temia> Aso Gamax, 4 channels isn't that bad

L1642[13:39:29] <gamax92> it's not that it'd be bad

L1643[13:39:32] <Vexatos> like, channel 1 would be "440Hz sine wave for 5 seconds"

L1644[13:39:35] <Temia> I mean, the SID chip had 3 on paper.

L1645[13:39:40] <Temia> Ah.

L1646[13:39:42] <gamax92> it's ... why have a channel dedicated to doing an ADSR

L1647[13:39:54] <Temia> Easier to work into the existing design

L1648[13:39:57] <Vexatos> channel 2 would be "ADSR doing this and that for 2 seconds and then square wave at 220Hz for 3 seconds"

L1649[13:39:57] <Vexatos> etc

L1650[13:40:54] <Vexatos> for 2 seconds, channel 1 would be modulated by channel 2, for the next 3 seconds the waves would just be added

L1651[13:41:12] <Vexatos> it's easier to work with imo

L1652[13:41:41] <Vexatos> And you could then also have an entry "then, for 3 seconds, do <this> FM on channel 1"

L1653[13:41:52] <Vexatos> you would occupy a channel doing work instead of playing music itself

L1654[13:41:59] <Vexatos> I would probably pump the number of channels for this

L1655[13:42:02] <Vexatos> bump*

L1656[13:42:02] <gamax92> oh, Envelope was the term I was looking for.

L1657[13:42:06] <Vexatos> ENVELOPE

L1658[13:42:08] <Vexatos> that was it

L1659[13:42:08] <Vexatos> yea

L1660[13:42:11] <Vexatos> ADSR is that

L1661[13:42:14] <gamax92> yes

L1662[13:42:17] <Vexatos> duh

L1663[13:42:19] <Vexatos> yes

L1664[13:42:20] <Vexatos> thanks

L1665[13:42:30] <Vexatos> so yea

L1666[13:42:38] <Vexatos> that is my general plan for a sound card

L1667[13:42:43] <gamax92> MOUSE FUCKING STOP DOUBLE CLICKING

L1668[13:42:45] <gamax92> kthx

L1669[13:42:54] <Vexatos> not having filters would greatly simplify my life

L1670[13:43:06] <Vexatos> envelopes are a decent enough... replacement? for that? :P

L1671[13:43:17] <Vexatos> kindasorta? >_>

L1672[13:43:37] <Vexatos> as long as it doesn't care about current frequency it's fine

L1673[13:43:43] <Vexatos> so yea, then, uuh

L1674[13:43:44] <Vexatos> FM

L1675[13:43:47] <Vexatos> wat do about that

L1676[13:43:54] <Vexatos> FM can be literally anything

L1677[13:44:02] <Inari> woo android seems to be booting

L1678[13:44:06] <Inari> fu bluestacks i got better

L1679[13:44:06] <Vexatos> but I have to hardcode types of FM

L1680[13:44:11] <Vexatos> for obvious reasons

L1681[13:44:15] <Vexatos> which is VERY unfortunate

L1682[13:44:47] <Temia> Anyway Vex, were you still sticking to samples? Because basic waveforms wouldn't be hard to generate.

L1683[13:45:00] <Temia> A sinewave is literally sin(x). >.>

L1684[13:45:22] <Vexatos> wat?

L1685[13:45:23] <Vexatos> I am

L1686[13:45:32] <Vexatos> http://git.io/vgdyr

L1687[13:45:44] <Temia> Oh.

L1688[13:45:49] <Vexatos> I will probably add a decent Noise function too because for some reason a sound card needs that

L1689[13:45:55] <Vexatos> (any recommendations?)

L1690[13:46:19] <Temia> Noise was all I would've asked for.

L1691[13:46:19] <gamax92> maybe I've been working with too old of technology to properly understand this stuff

L1692[13:46:23] <Temia> You can't really do percussion without it

L1693[13:46:34] <Vexatos> exactly

L1694[13:46:36] <Vexatos> soo yea

L1695[13:46:43] <Vexatos> we have ten billion noise functions

L1696[13:46:50] <gamax92> white noise >_>

L1697[13:46:56] <Vexatos> gamax92, do you know since when I know how a sound card basically works? Yesterday.

L1698[13:46:59] <Vexatos> I am the greatest noob of all

L1699[13:47:02] <Vexatos> don't mind me+

L1700[13:48:08] <Temia> Did you find an FM algorithm you liked?

L1701[13:48:19] <gamax92> The things I've worked with all kinda have a gate, where you activate the gate, it travels from 0 to 1 over the period of A, 1 to S over the period of D, and then sits at S

L1702[13:48:31] <gamax92> and then when you deactivate the gate, it goes from S to 0 over the period of R

L1703[13:48:34] <Temia> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8611722/frequency-modulation-synthesis-algorithm Cuz' just in case you didn't, I found this while poking around

L1704[13:49:01] <Vexatos> Temia, not "an"

L1705[13:49:04] <Vexatos> That's the thing

L1706[13:49:13] <gamax92> I've also seen AHDSR though, where it adds an extra period between 0-1 and 1-S, where it stays at 1 for the period of H

L1707[13:49:32] <Vexatos> there are infinite numbers of FM functions

L1708[13:50:03] <gamax92> and then some don't have gates, where you control whether or not it's outputing simply by making it's channel volume 0 or not 0

L1709[13:50:41] <Vexatos> gamax92, things like this would be a lot harder to implement

L1710[13:50:56] <Vexatos> since you can't do it "live"

L1711[13:51:20] <gamax92> nah, you are just buffering up the commands like you suggested

L1712[13:51:23] <Vexatos> Temia, the problem is that I can't just have one FM function... I mean, a lot of sound cards only have one

L1713[13:51:31] <Vexatos> but

L1714[13:51:34] <Temia> Why not? o.o

L1715[13:51:43] <Vexatos> Because I want more than one type of sound?

L1716[13:51:46] <Vexatos> :/

L1717[13:51:46] <Temia> Er.

L1718[13:51:58] <Vexatos> YES I KNOW

L1719[13:52:00] <Vexatos> I mean

L1720[13:52:01] <gamax92> Vexatos: this is what multiple waveform types is for

L1721[13:52:02] <Vexatos> meh

L1722[13:52:04] <Vexatos> it's hard to explain

L1723[13:52:07] <Temia> It's a simple matter of having modulator, carrier, and index arguments

L1724[13:52:09] <gamax92> and configurable frequencies

L1725[13:52:19] <Temia> And you've already got multiple waveform types and frequencies

L1726[13:52:26] <Vexatos> the FM function determines the amount of possible variation on your card

L1727[13:52:45] <Vexatos> multiple FM functions means exponentially more possibilities

L1728[13:53:06] <Temia> I'm afraid we're not seeing your problem here.

L1729[13:53:13] <gamax92> I don't understand what you mean by multiple FM functions ...

L1730[13:53:13] <Vexatos> (since, as I said, you'd be able to stack modulators on a single channel)

L1731[13:53:25] <Vexatos> gamax92, FM is just a function applied to the carrier, no?

L1732[13:53:32] <Vexatos> you have channel a, channel b

L1733[13:53:39] <Vexatos> then you use some function to change channel a

L1734[13:53:43] <Vexatos> using channel b's data

L1735[13:53:50] <gamax92> you're making it waaaaaaay to generic

L1736[13:53:50] <Temia> Usually a singular one.

L1737[13:54:09] <Vexatos> gamax92, I am thinking very generically, yes

L1738[13:54:18] <gamax92> don't just explain it as: A in some fasion manages to change B

L1739[13:54:37] <gamax92> explain it specficially as in the process of well ... doing FM

L1740[13:54:56] <Temia> The FM should not be hardcoded.

L1741[13:55:14] <Temia> It should simply be combining the two channel's programmed waveforms at the client end.

L1742[13:55:23] <Vexatos> yes

L1743[13:55:30] <Vexatos> that's exactly what I was going to do

L1744[13:55:33] <Vexatos> but the way they are combined

L1745[13:55:37] <Vexatos> that would have to be hardcoded

L1746[13:55:39] <Temia> Uh

L1747[13:55:48] <Vexatos> you don't + them or * them

L1748[13:55:49] <Temia> What do you mean, "the way they are combined"?

L1749[13:55:58] <Vexatos> you use something more complex than that

L1750[13:56:01] <Vexatos> that's what I mean

L1751[13:56:03] <Vexatos> a function

L1752[13:56:11] <Temia> Okay, dude

L1753[13:56:16] <Temia> Don't start patronising us.

L1754[13:56:20] <Vexatos> ?

L1755[13:56:21] <Temia> Not when I gave you this idea to begin with.

L1756[13:56:28] <Vexatos> patronising?

L1757[13:56:54] <Vexatos> I was serious

L1758[13:57:07] <gamax92> oh that does bring up a question

L1759[13:57:10] <Temia> You're not actually answering our questions

L1760[13:57:17] <vifino> http://www.amazon.com/Humpin-Trump-1-Tennee-Jones-ebook/dp/B0178YXNPY

L1761[13:57:19] <Vexatos> Then I don't know how to answer it

L1762[13:57:24] <Temia> WHY is there a need for multiple FM functions?

L1763[13:57:28] <Temia> IT IS A SINGLE ALGORITHM.

L1764[13:57:48] <gamax92> Temia: How do you tell how much the FM varies the second channel's frequency

L1765[13:57:55] <Temia> The index.

L1766[13:58:08] <Temia> Which would likely be channel metadata.

L1767[13:58:23] <gamax92> hmm, index?

L1768[13:58:28] <Temia> Modulation index.

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L1770[13:58:45] <Temia> The frequency modulation synthesis article I linked to explain to Vex covers that.

L1771[13:58:51] <Vexatos> well I'd just do noise.add(<channelindex>, noise.freqmod(<index>))

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L1773[13:58:54] <Vexatos> to add it to the buffer

L1774[13:58:55] <Vexatos> or something

L1775[13:58:57] <gamax92> ahh okay, mind leaking that to me again, to read

L1776[13:59:01] <gamax92> linking*

L1777[13:59:04] <gamax92> wtf is wrong with me

L1778[13:59:07] <Temia> Let me dig it up

L1779[13:59:07] <Vexatos> wouldn't that work

L1780[13:59:19] <Vexatos> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8611722/frequency-modulation-synthesis-algorithm

L1781[13:59:21] <Vexatos> that one?

L1782[13:59:24] <Temia> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_modulation_synthesis

L1783[13:59:31] <Vexatos> oh that one :P

L1784[13:59:58] <Vexatos> brb

L1785[14:00:38] <gamax92> Temia: okay right, so it would be specifically the modulation index as to how strong it is

L1786[14:00:48] * Temia nods.

L1787[14:01:16] <Temia> Ergo there would only need to be one function to process the two buffers' data.

L1788[14:01:58] <Temia> Also on that note, to avoid popping I would definitely recommend designing the waveform output duration to always round up to the next zero crossing.

L1789[14:03:44] <gamax92> Temia: wouldn't popping be resolved based on having each oscillator have it's own position in the waveform period?

L1790[14:04:22] <gamax92> so that when you continue using the oscillator, it ended 3/4ths through a sine wave and then starts back 3/4ths through the sinewave, smooth

L1791[14:04:46] <Temia> Possibly.

L1792[14:05:30] <gamax92> I dunno thats what I do and what the SID does by nature of how it's oscillators work

L1793[14:08:41] <gamax92> plus having modulation work on two channels specifically instead of letting it all be super free like Vexatos wants makes it easier to do the modulation, you just process the first channel and then process the second with respect to the first

L1794[14:09:42] <Vexatos> back

L1795[14:11:17] <Temia> Sticking with 2-op FM would make things simpler if nothing else

L1796[14:11:23] <Vexatos> gamax92, modulation would essentially be registering a channel onto another

L1797[14:11:32] <Vexatos> envelopes would be part of an actual channel

L1798[14:11:39] <Vexatos> I guess

L1799[14:12:06] <Vexatos> problem then would be that you couldn't specify for how long the FM would be applied

L1800[14:12:12] <Vexatos> you'd just have it until the buffer ends

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L1802[14:12:54] <Vexatos> unless I do noise.doFreqMod(carrierindex, modulatorindex, initialDelay, duration)

L1803[14:12:59] <Vexatos> do modulate only a certain duration

L1804[14:13:07] <Vexatos> then I would add a fourth wave form

L1805[14:13:08] <Vexatos> the 0

L1806[14:13:11] <Vexatos> err a sixth

L1807[14:13:16] <Vexatos> which would just be no sound

L1808[14:15:05] <Temia> Er, you want carrier, modulator, and index. Separate things.

L1809[14:15:19] <Temia> Also

L1810[14:15:32] <Vexatos> oh yea

L1811[14:15:37] <Temia> Isn't the 0 just an inactive instrument?

L1812[14:15:50] <Vexatos> carrier, modulator, index of modulation, delay, duration

L1813[14:16:04] <Vexatos> well I guess the "initial delay" would cover that

L1814[14:16:07] <Vexatos> so no need for a 0

L1815[14:16:30] <Vexatos> so yea

L1816[14:16:36] <Temia> It would literally be combining the waveform output of both channels, so if nothing was playing on the modulator channel, there would be no modulation anyway >.>

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L1818[14:17:55] <Vexatos> what is FMRatio in that stackoverflow thing

L1819[14:18:07] <Temia> Let me go back and check

L1820[14:18:55] <Temia> Ah.

L1821[14:19:42] <Temia> That seems to be a frequency multiplier for generating a modulator, which is irrelevant in this case

L1822[14:19:54] <gamax92> the idea of notes having a duration is still odd to me

L1823[14:20:20] <Vexatos> it's just how I do it in the beep and noise card

L1824[14:20:26] <Vexatos> it makes it rather intuitive to use

L1825[14:20:46] <Vexatos> "play x for n seconds then wait y seconds and play z for q seconds" etc

L1826[14:21:07] <Vexatos> It also allows having a finite buffer size

L1827[14:21:32] <Vexatos> it's hard to buffer something you don't know the size of :P

L1828[14:22:30] <Vexatos> Temia, so I'll just ignore it

L1829[14:22:34] * Temia nods

L1830[14:23:00] <Vexatos> frequencyDeviation = sin(note.FMPhase * PI)*instrument.FMIndex*FMFrequency

L1831[14:23:01] <Vexatos> there

L1832[14:23:08] <Vexatos> this is the "magic function" i was talking about

L1833[14:23:15] <Vexatos> this could be virtually anything

L1834[14:23:24] <gamax92> no that can't virtually be anything

L1835[14:23:43] <Vexatos> let me try to implement this function before I start talking

L1836[14:23:51] <gamax92> the function itself, the number of parameters, and how you use them, does not change.

L1837[14:23:55] <gamax92> sure, the input changes, no shit

L1838[14:24:30] <Vexatos> yea but my idea was having different functions there, but I guess having only one is way less stupid

L1839[14:26:34] <Temia> Come to think of it...

L1840[14:26:36] * Temia squints

L1841[14:26:42] <Temia> That looks to be generating its own sine wave.

L1842[14:26:43] <gamax92> coffee?

L1843[14:26:58] <gamax92> linky? :P

L1844[14:27:09] <Temia> No, I mean the code snippet Vex just posted.

L1845[14:27:09] <Vexatos> Temia, that's... exactly what I meant

L1846[14:27:19] <Temia> Well, that's easy to solve

L1847[14:27:36] <Temia> Replace the sine wave with the carrier! :V

L1848[14:30:30] <Vexatos> what is note.FMPhase in this case

L1849[14:30:54] <Vexatos> as opposed to note.phase

L1850[14:35:34] <Vexatos> ah I see

L1851[14:35:38] <Vexatos> nevermind

L1852[14:39:32] <Inari> sigh

L1853[14:39:41] <Inari> android turns on bluetooth but the device cant be found apparenlty <.<

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L1855[14:43:17] <Vexatos> Temia, do you know why they are doing the if note.FMPhase >= 1 check after using it in the synthesis?

L1856[14:44:06] <Turtle> So apple is refusing US government orders for backdoors, this gonna be good.

L1857[14:46:30] <Vexatos> Temia, still here?

L1858[14:46:38] <Temia> Sorry, kind of busy

L1859[14:46:52] <Vexatos> http://pastebin.com/BxNZbhgw and the replace this line http://git.io/vgNEt with a call of that function, I guess

L1860[14:46:55] <Vexatos> then*

L1861[14:47:44] <Vexatos> I could have all the logic in that method, actually

L1862[14:47:57] <Vexatos> just don't do any modulation at all in case modulator == null maybe?

L1863[14:48:13] <Vexatos> gamax92, what would you say to allowing multiple channels to modulate one channel

L1864[14:48:39] <Temia> Overkill. 2-op synthesis covers most bases

L1865[14:48:52] <Vexatos> ok, so only have 1->1

L1866[14:48:57] <Vexatos> well then, yes

L1867[14:49:05] <Vexatos> I could just pass null as the modulator wave

L1868[14:49:20] <Vexatos> yay for Java's GC allowing me to spam small classes like this

L1869[14:49:20] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

L1870[14:50:16] <gamax92> Vexatos: from what I understand, the FMPhase is just a waveform period index

L1871[14:50:58] <gamax92> which since something like triangle/sine/square/saw/whatever is periodic, you can just subtract one and have no issue

L1872[14:51:01] <Vexatos> yea

L1873[14:51:09] <Vexatos> but since the modulator is a channel itself

L1874[14:51:14] <Vexatos> I don't need any of that I guess

L1875[14:51:20] <gamax92> yes you do >_>

L1876[14:51:35] <Vexatos> FMFrequency = note.frequency*instrument.FMRatio

L1877[14:51:46] <gamax92> nvm that for mow.

L1878[14:51:51] <Vexatos> it is dynamically generating a frequency to use in

L1879[14:51:53] <Vexatos> sin(note.FMPhase * PI)

L1880[14:51:57] <gamax92> vexatos shush

L1881[14:51:59] <Vexatos> ok

L1882[14:52:12] <gamax92> you keep an offset into the waveform so that the next time you use the channel, it continues off from the same spot and is smooth and not broken

L1883[14:52:20] <Skye> Vexatos, does computronics work with OC 1.6 yet?

L1884[14:52:29] <Vexatos> Skye, if you use the 1.6 build, sur

L1885[14:52:30] <Vexatos> sure*

L1886[14:52:35] <gamax92> err well now that I think about it, you aren't doing gates, but durations

L1887[14:52:37] <Vexatos> http://files.vex.tty.sh/Computronics/dev/

L1888[14:54:13] <Vexatos> Audio.play right now just takes a single channel

L1889[14:54:20] <Vexatos> and for a noise card I am calling it once per channel

L1890[14:54:27] <Vexatos> I guess now I need to have it intertwines

L1891[14:54:31] <Vexatos> intertwined*

L1892[14:54:32] <Vexatos> hmmm

L1893[14:54:37] <Vexatos> how to do that the best possible way

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L1895[14:59:41] <Vexatos> public void play(float x, float y, float z, String pattern, Channel... channels) I guess

L1896[15:00:51] <Vexatos> gamax92, any suggestion on how to store if a channel modulates another? just... have a field in the Channel object itself=

L1897[15:00:52] <Vexatos> ?

L1898[15:01:09] <Vexatos> Also, would a single channel be able to modulate multiple carriers?

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L1900[15:09:14] <Temia> It coooould but it probably wouldn't sound good.

L1901[15:12:51] <Vexatos> I mean

L1902[15:13:01] <Vexatos> should I allow it

L1903[15:13:19] <Vexatos> it's all a matter of if(channel.carrier != null)

L1904[15:15:44] <Temia> If you want.

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L1906[15:17:29] <Vexatos> ok

L1907[15:17:39] <Vexatos> then each channel will have a field

L1908[15:17:49] <Vexatos> that being a reference to the channel it's being modulated by

L1909[15:18:50] <Vexatos> anyways, need to go sleep now

L1910[15:18:52] <Vexatos> bye bye :D

L1911[15:19:05] <Vexatos> And thanks, Temia and gamax92

L1912[15:19:06] <Vexatos> >_>

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L1914[15:19:10] <Temia> No prob.

L1915[15:21:51] <Michiyo> wow... I just had someone try to return a bluetooth headset they bought yesterday... except it's not the one they bought yesterday.. Same recipt, same box.. but with a white headset in the box.. not hte blue one I sold them -_-

L1916[15:21:56] <Michiyo> Like yeah I'm not gonna notice that

L1917[15:23:02] <Temia> Ahahaha. wow.

L1918[15:23:52] <sugoi> gamax92: i'm not sure because it's a pain in the butt to debug term in-game

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L1920[15:24:07] <sugoi> but, i think components load and are available slightly sooner in ocemu

L1921[15:24:17] <sugoi> i'm not sure, it's wonky still

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L1923[15:24:42] zsh sets mode: +v on Kodos

L1924[15:25:31] <Michiyo> just smfh.. people man

L1925[15:25:56] <sugoi> Michiyo: what did you say?

L1926[15:26:01] <sugoi> how did you not ragekill?

L1927[15:26:44] <Michiyo> I calmly explained that'd not how this works... that first off the device you're returning has to match what you bought, to which she replied well I bought this one not too long ago... then you should still have the box and recipt for it.

L1928[15:27:26] <Kodos> Time to see if I can break my PC

L1929[15:27:36] <Michiyo> On the inside I wanted to bash her head into something :D

L1930[15:27:49] <Kodos> My onboard chip is finally fixed, so I have 1920x1080 resolution again. Let's see how Minecraft does =D

L1931[15:28:41] <Turtle> \o/

L1932[15:28:58] <Michiyo> Kodos: if you get a chance play with latest OS and see if it's any better if you don't mind

L1933[15:29:13] <Kodos> Give me a bit

L1934[15:29:20] <Kodos> Gonna do an OC and addons only pack real quick

L1935[15:30:27] <sugoi> Michiyo: i would just laugh

L1936[15:30:31] <sugoi> not saying i wouldn't be upset

L1937[15:30:36] <sugoi> but literally, i'd laugh in their face

L1938[15:30:47] <sugoi> ergo (perhaps): i dont work with people

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L1940[15:31:10] <gamax92> sugoi: you would be fired pretty quickly

L1941[15:31:24] <sugoi> sounds about right

L1942[15:31:27] <Kodos> Michiyo, you're at work I'm assuming

L1943[15:31:47] <Kodos> sugoi, do you still have that shared folder on my dropbox

L1944[15:31:54] <MalkContent> do multiple computers with wireless greate a giant wireless net, aka if you have strength 20 on all of them, could computer a reach a distance 40 computer if there's one more in the middle

L1945[15:32:10] <sugoi> Kodos: probably, you want me to check?

L1946[15:32:17] <sugoi> Kodos: i dont install dropbox (eww!) :)

L1947[15:32:20] <Kodos> I can check, I was going to ask a favor :x

L1948[15:32:22] <sugoi> but i can log in and check

L1949[15:32:24] <Turtle> gaaah, pairs seems to misbehave .-.

L1950[15:32:25] <Kodos> You don't need the app, i dont' think

L1951[15:32:39] <sugoi> Kodos: right, i just meant, it wouldn't be a click or two away for me to check

L1952[15:32:46] <Kodos> Sure, go ahead and check

L1953[15:32:46] <MalkContent> aka do they just create a giant wireless net natively?

L1954[15:33:01] <Kodos> MalkContent, You're asking if computers act as repeaters?

L1955[15:33:25] <MalkContent> didnt want to call it repeaters

L1956[15:33:29] <MalkContent> cause repeaters repeat :D

L1957[15:33:38] <sugoi> yeah looks like

L1958[15:33:42] <Kodos> I don't believe so. Access points used to have a repeater mode a long time ago

L1959[15:33:43] <sugoi> the mekanism files

L1960[15:33:44] <Kodos> Not sure how it's done now

L1961[15:34:14] <Kodos> sugoi, Awesome. Wanna do me a solid and give me some files out of whatever MC instance you have for 1.7.10 atm?

L1962[15:34:30] <Kodos> All my current shit is on my wife's PC which won't boot atm

L1963[15:34:36] <Kodos> Long story there

L1964[15:34:41] <MalkContent> k. time to whip up some shitty protocols then

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L1966[15:36:15] <Turtle> ... It's not strictly OC related, but it's lua, does anyone happen to see if I'm doing something dumb that could cause the pairs at ln 51 to cut out? https://gist.github.com/SentientTurtle/38db48e1e64082c7cb1c (For context, queueLoad is called on the output of the two plugin files, then loadAll is called, it recognizes plugin2 has a dependency but the loop seems to ignore the testplugin)

L1967[15:36:59] <sugoi> Kodos: try that

L1968[15:37:39] <Kodos> That'll work, thanks =D

L1969[15:39:47] <Kodos> Michiyo, Dev jenkins or regular curse build

L1970[15:41:14] <MalkContent> o nvm. accesspoints have a repeater thingy

L1971[15:41:35] <Kodos> =D

L1972[15:42:02] <MalkContent> that doesnt actually repeat a broadcast, though, does it?

L1973[15:42:09] <Kodos> Should repeat any signal it gets

L1974[15:42:42] <MalkContent> so it does repeat? :|

L1975[15:43:02] <Kodos> What else would a repeater do

L1976[15:43:11] *** minecreatr is now known as Mine|away

L1977[15:43:36] <MalkContent> create a magic network with no need for network protocol? :I

L1978[15:44:39] <Kodos> Bah, my onboard might not have OpenGL :x

L1979[15:46:10] <Kodos> OpenGL 1.1...

L1980[15:46:49] <gamax92> Kodos: what is your onboard?

L1981[15:46:50] <Kodos> And ofc OpenGL Extensions Viewer crashes any time I try to check something

L1982[15:46:53] <Kodos> One sec

L1983[15:48:03] <Kodos> gamax92, https://pastebin.com/9sK51Bjy

L1984[15:48:10] <Kodos> That's the entirety of my dxdiag

L1985[15:48:47] <gamax92> o.o an HD 4200 should be able to play ...

L1986[15:48:54] <Kodos> Right?

L1987[15:49:15] <Kodos> I'm going to try to update the drivers, see if that helps

L1988[15:49:21] <Kodos> They're from '09 currently

L1989[15:49:24] <Kodos> Surely there's at least been one update

L1990[15:50:51] <Kodos> Update found =D

L1991[15:50:57] <Kodos> Let's see what breaks this time

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L1994[15:54:19] <Kodos> There we go

L1995[15:54:21] <Kodos> OGL 3.3

L1996[15:54:26] <gamax92> :P

L1997[15:54:33] <Kodos> And now MC is loading =D

L1998[15:55:49] <sugoi> hmmm

L1999[15:56:03] <sugoi> all this work, and booting to one stick of tier 1 ram is...kind of sucky

L2000[15:56:07] <sugoi> why have i done this

L2001[15:56:13] <sugoi> wow

L2002[15:56:42] <sugoi> so 25k free, some errors during boot, but you get prompt

L2003[15:56:53] <sugoi> :)

L2004[15:57:09] <MalkContent> is t1 ram slower?

L2005[15:57:18] <sugoi> no, drastically smaller

L2006[15:57:21] <sugoi> T1: 192k

L2007[15:57:27] <sugoi> T1.5: 256k

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L2009[15:57:45] <MalkContent> k

L2010[15:59:43] <Kodos> This is actually running pretty decent

L2011[16:00:00] <Kodos> 24% of my ram used, CPU is idling at 20ish %, spiking to 40-50 when loading new chunks

L2012[16:00:10] <Kodos> Ofc, I only have OC and NEI running atm

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L2014[16:09:06] <Kodos> Okay, looks like my onboard is pretty beefy. Not as good as my card was, but it'll do for what I want

L2015[16:09:12] <Kodos> Now to just get my pack reassembled

L2016[16:11:42] <MalkContent> is wirelss range actual radius or err... "cube distance" travelled

L2017[16:11:53] <Kodos> Cube distance, yes

L2018[16:11:59] <MalkContent> k

L2019[16:12:05] <Kodos> Basically it's in 'meters' which amounts to blocks

L2020[16:12:30] <MalkContent> uh..

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L2022[16:13:31] <MalkContent> i meant if that is measured in line of sight distance or in "the way light spreads in mc" distance

L2023[16:13:41] <Kodos> Point to point distance

L2024[16:13:49] <MalkContent> thanks

L2025[16:13:49] <Kodos> So how many ever blocks in whichever direction

L2026[16:14:53] <MalkContent> ok, from (x1, y1) = (0, 0) to (x2, y2) = (1, 1) is it sqrt(2) or 2?

L2027[16:15:20] <MalkContent> everytime you said something i went "ah, okay!" then you added one more line and i went "uhhh... not okay anymore"

L2028[16:16:33] <Kodos> Okay, if you have a repeater set to a distance of 4, and you have a computer that's 4 blocks away on X, and 4 blocks higher on Y, it -should- still be able to reach, since the repeater is still 4 blocks away diagonally

L2029[16:18:42] <MalkContent> o, awesome

L2030[16:19:08] <sugoi> Kodos: ok, got openos 1.6 to boot on 1x tier 1 ram

L2031[16:19:16] <sugoi> 170k allocated -- that's ~25k free

L2032[16:19:18] <sugoi> no errors

L2033[16:19:23] <MalkContent> i somehow did not expect oc to be so generous :D

L2034[16:19:33] <sugoi> MalkContent: 196k, not 192k

L2035[16:19:37] <sugoi> if you were curious

L2036[16:19:40] <sugoi> i was off by 4k

L2037[16:20:03] <MalkContent> i didnt even question it

L2038[16:20:06] <sugoi> that is nearly 30k LESS than openos 1.5

L2039[16:20:12] * sugoi does super dance

L2040[16:20:21] <MalkContent> somehow 192 looked completely unsuspicious

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L2042[16:20:41] <MalkContent> I would have questioned every last digit besides 2 and 6 there

L2043[16:20:51] <MalkContent> sneaky number

L2044[16:20:55] <sugoi> but this is huge

L2045[16:21:03] <sugoi> openos 1.5 boots taking about 200k

L2046[16:21:17] <sugoi> so now openos 1.6 will boot on tier 1 ram

L2047[16:21:19] <sugoi> no errors

L2048[16:21:23] <sugoi> now, you won't be able to really run anything

L2049[16:21:26] <sugoi> but, this is cool

L2050[16:22:06] * MalkContent does the math

L2051[16:22:11] <MalkContent> why 196 though?

L2052[16:22:19] <MalkContent> odd number

L2053[16:22:23] <sugoi> it's just what sangar picked

L2054[16:22:26] <sugoi> for tier 1 ram

L2055[16:22:43] <sugoi> and really, this is 196kibs

L2056[16:22:46] <sugoi> not KiBs

L2057[16:23:16] <MalkContent> t1.5 is a perfectly natural 256

L2058[16:23:38] <MalkContent> okay... what's the difference between kibs and KiBs...

L2059[16:23:53] <MalkContent> i know kb and kib (or is it KiB?)

L2060[16:24:35] <MalkContent> i wont even bother trying to google something case sensitive even though there's probably some google-fu i don't know for that

L2061[16:24:46] <sugoi> MalkContent: x1000 vs x1024

L2062[16:24:50] <sugoi> so 196000 bytes

L2063[16:24:56] <sugoi> anywho

L2064[16:24:56] <MalkContent> thats kb vs kib...

L2065[16:25:04] <sugoi> i use KiB for 1024

L2066[16:25:11] <sugoi> lowercase b for 1000

L2067[16:25:21] <Temia> I thought it was 192, not 196.

L2068[16:25:22] <MalkContent> kib is kibi in long form

L2069[16:25:41] <sugoi> hmm, actually reports 196608 bytes

L2070[16:25:46] <MalkContent> and kb is natural kilo byte

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L2072[16:25:53] <MalkContent> noone uses ki as short for kilo

L2073[16:25:57] <sugoi> which is exactly 192x1024, Temia :)

L2074[16:26:17] <Temia> :p

L2075[16:26:29] <MalkContent> and the world is whole again :D

L2076[16:26:34] <Temia> I think in powers of 2, can you blame me?

L2077[16:26:38] <MalkContent> i feel better now

L2078[16:27:13] <sugoi> #lua ("i blame Temia")^2

L2079[16:27:13] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value

L2080[16:27:16] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaXJ16SU-HY thats pretty nice

L2081[16:27:18] <MichiBot> Inari: Need to Know - The Mass Surveillance Thriller Game - Kickstarter trailer | length: 2m 12s | Likes: 856 Dislikes: 12 Views: 16581 | by Monomyth Games

L2082[16:27:18] <sugoi> #lua #("i blame Temia")^2

L2083[16:27:18] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value

L2084[16:27:26] <sugoi> #lua (#("i blame Temia"))^2

L2085[16:27:26] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 169.0

L2086[16:27:31] <sugoi> LUA

L2087[16:27:32] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2088[16:27:35] <Temia> No no no

L2089[16:27:37] <Temia> You got it wrong

L2090[16:27:44] <gamax92> 2^X

L2091[16:27:46] <gamax92> not X^2

L2092[16:27:49] <Inari> a pointer to Lua?

L2093[16:27:51] <Temia> #lua 2^(#("I blame Temia"))

L2094[16:27:51] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 8192.0

L2095[16:27:59] <sugoi> ah thanks

L2096[16:28:11] <Inari> #lua LUA

L2097[16:28:11] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym

L2098[16:28:12] <sugoi> not, in squares :)

L2099[16:28:15] <Inari> #lua lua

L2100[16:28:16] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L2101[16:28:16] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L2102[16:28:18] <Inari> #lua Lua

L2103[16:28:19] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L2104[16:28:20] <Inari> nice

L2105[16:28:25] <gamax92> #lua math.log(8192)/math.log(2)

L2106[16:28:25] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 13.0

L2107[16:28:37] <Inari> why did it nil twice there?

L2108[16:28:44] <Inari> #lua lua

L2109[16:28:44] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L2110[16:28:46] <Inari> odd

L2111[16:28:51] <gamax92> not odd

L2112[16:28:53] <Inari> oh

L2113[16:28:54] <Temia> It was lagging behind and responding to your multiple queries.

L2114[16:28:58] <Inari> the first was enderbot responding

L2115[16:29:00] <Temia> ao

L2116[16:29:02] <Temia> so*

L2117[16:29:03] <Temia> even :'D

L2118[16:29:11] * Temia run

L2119[16:29:16] <Inari> <.<

L2120[16:29:23] <Inari> >.<

L2121[16:29:25] <MalkContent> first thing on 169 was "hey that's 13²"

L2122[16:30:03] <Inari> #lua LUA = "It's Lua not LUA!"

L2123[16:30:03] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2124[16:30:03] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L2125[16:30:08] <Inari> #lua Lua

L2126[16:30:08] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L2127[16:30:10] <gamax92> I ate too much cake

L2128[16:30:11] <Inari> #lua LUA

L2129[16:30:11] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym

L2130[16:30:11] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > It's Lua not LUA!

L2131[16:30:11] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2132[16:30:37] <Temia> #lua 2^#LUA

L2133[16:30:37] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym

L2134[16:30:38] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 131072.0

L2135[16:30:44] <gamax92> s// LUA /g

L2136[16:30:44] <MichiBot> <|0xDEADBEEF|> LUA > LUA LUA 1 LUA 3 LUA 1 LUA 0 LUA 7 LUA 2 LUA . LUA 0 LUA

L2137[16:30:44] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym

L2138[16:30:44] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2139[16:30:56] <sugoi> haha very nice

L2140[16:31:08] <CompanionCube> https://github.com/mniip/LUA

L2141[16:31:08] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2142[16:31:14] <gamax92> CompanionCube: heh yes, that thing

L2143[16:31:23] <Temia> What if it's EVALUATION?

L2144[16:31:23] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym

L2145[16:31:26] <Temia> AHA

L2146[16:31:50] <Inari> EVALuaTION

L2147[16:31:52] <Temia> It does not check for word boundaries! FOR SHAME

L2148[16:31:52] <MalkContent> #lua "\nbanana"

L2149[16:31:53] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > banana

L2150[16:31:57] <MalkContent> :c

L2151[16:32:14] <gamax92> very VALUABLE

L2152[16:32:14] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2153[16:33:03] <ocdoc> Test

L2154[16:33:49] <Temia> #lua io.stdin

L2155[16:33:49] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L2156[16:33:51] <Temia> aw.

L2157[16:34:12] <gamax92> iWonderIfThisWillWork

L2158[16:34:13] <gamax92> s/$[A-Z]$/_\l\1/g

L2159[16:34:20] <Antheus> lol

L2160[16:34:20] <gamax92> nop :P

L2161[16:34:21] <Antheus> fail

L2162[16:34:28] <Antheus> i hate nop[

L2163[16:34:29] <Antheus> like

L2164[16:34:30] <Kodos> #lua io.stderr:write("Herpderp")

L2165[16:34:34] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to index a nil value (field 'stderr')

L2166[16:34:34] <Antheus> ffs say nope

L2167[16:34:38] <gamax92> nop

L2168[16:34:49] <Inari> hm how do i make a windows LUA?

L2169[16:34:49] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym

L2170[16:34:57] <Inari> Inari: no, LUA is an acronym

L2171[16:34:57] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2172[16:34:58] * Antheus scrapes gamax92's eyes out with a melon baller

L2173[16:35:07] <Inari> Inari: *LUA

L2174[16:35:07] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2175[16:35:11] <Antheus> LUA

L2176[16:35:11] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym

L2177[16:35:16] <Antheus> LUA

L2178[16:35:16] <EnderBot2> It's Lua, not LUA. Name, not an acronym

L2179[16:35:24] <Antheus> *LUA

L2180[16:35:24] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2181[16:35:28] <Temia> What if we're talking about the Lua Users Association

L2182[16:35:28] <Antheus> **LUA

L2183[16:35:28] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2184[16:35:29] * Michiyo bans Antheus

L2185[16:35:31] <gamax92> can you fuck off now

L2186[16:35:33] <Inari> LUA Least-privileged User Account (Microsoft) >:/

L2187[16:35:33] <EnderBot2> Lua*

L2188[16:35:34] * Antheus sobs

L2189[16:35:45] <Temia> Enderbot is self-absorbed!

L2190[16:35:47] * Dashkal starts singing about the moon in a language he doesn't actually speak

L2191[16:35:55] <sugoi> how do you guys say "H264"

L2192[16:35:58] * Antheus hugs EnderBot2

L2193[16:35:58] * EnderBot2 is wondering why Antheus is hugging him...

L2194[16:36:05] <Dashkal> "ache two six four"

L2195[16:36:06] <DeanIsaKitty> sugoi: H-dot-264

L2196[16:36:13] <Michiyo> I usually say.... H 264

L2197[16:36:20] <gamax92> sugoi: ACHEH Two Hundred and Sixty Four

L2198[16:36:29] <gamax92> kidding. H 2 6 4

L2199[16:36:35] <Antheus> Hache two sixty four

L2200[16:36:44] <Inari> "ha zweihundervierundsechzig"

L2201[16:36:44] <MalkContent> Haché

L2202[16:36:45] <Inari> Kappa

L2203[16:37:10] <Antheus> Fappa

L2204[16:37:12] <Antheus> Mappa

L2205[16:37:15] <MalkContent> ha zwoviernsechzig

L2206[16:37:44] <DeanIsaKitty> "H punto de dos de cuatro centenar de sesenta por" Inari

L2207[16:38:15] <Michiyo> man... if I wasn't responsible for my own damn box... and now a contract for TV I'd totally walk out dis bitch

L2208[16:38:19] <Antheus> Quoth the raven: "nevermore"

L2209[16:38:27] <Kodos> #lua return io

L2210[16:38:28] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > table: 0x7f85b51a7d30

L2211[16:38:45] <Kodos> Bah, I should go get my detable function

L2212[16:38:48] <Kodos> But I'm pressed for time

L2213[16:39:28] <MalkContent> #lua return computer

L2214[16:39:28] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L2215[16:39:32] <Michiyo> and flip a table or two on the way out

L2216[16:39:52] <Antheus> #lua for k,v in pairs(io) do print(k,v) end

L2217[16:39:52] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > write function: 0x7f85b51a7da0 | nil

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L2219[16:40:30] <Inari> #lua table.unpack(io)

L2220[16:40:30] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L2221[16:40:35] <Inari> :<

L2222[16:42:30] <Inari> #learningEnglishKeyboard \o/

L2223[16:42:45] <Antheus> Why are you learning it

L2224[16:42:51] <Antheus> it's very simple

L2225[16:43:00] <Antheus> The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog

L2226[16:43:10] <Inari> what?

L2227[16:43:34] <Inari> and cause i don't know where all the damn symbols are of course :P

L2228[16:43:49] <Antheus> :P

L2229[16:44:08] <Antheus> qwertyuiop;asdfghjkl;zxcvbnm

L2230[16:44:32] <Antheus> I love semi-colons; they make my life easier

L2231[16:45:21] <Inari> well need to learn the muscle memory and where stuff is first xD

L2232[16:46:04] <Inari> should also start learning japanese :x

L2233[16:47:43] <Antheus> should start/continue learning german

L2234[16:47:52] <Inari> wow

L2235[16:47:56] <Antheus> also need to get my learners permit so I can get my drivers license

L2236[16:47:59] <Inari> snowden tweeted that game, thats some promotion haha

L2237[16:48:20] <Antheus> d:(

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L2240[16:48:32] <Inari> Antheus: ?

L2241[16:48:35] <Antheus> Just saw the obiturary for the person who went to my school

L2242[16:48:38] <Antheus> in the newspaper

L2243[16:49:00] <Inari> "the person"

L2244[16:49:03] <Inari> there was only one?

L2245[16:49:12] <Antheus> hold on...

L2246[16:49:38] <Inari> and if someone didnt see last time

L2247[16:49:58] <Antheus> link incoming

L2248[16:50:08] <Antheus> maybe

L2249[16:50:50] <Antheus> Inari, http://www.fox4news.com/news/92884903-story

L2250[16:50:53] <Inari> interseting programming challenges: make a function that takes 3 numbers as input and returns the median number of the 3 (median meaning the number between the 2 others in value, so e.g. 9 5 3 => 5 because its between 3 and 9), but all codepaths can only use 2 comparisons total (including comparisons in library functions you call)

L2251[16:51:39] <Antheus> Burned to death

L2252[16:51:44] <Inari> ouch

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L2254[16:53:33] <Temia> Antheus, that sucks :/

L2255[16:53:44] <Antheus> People heard her screaming :/

L2256[16:54:15] <Antheus> and what's ironic, was we had had a person come speak to our school who was paralized from the waist down from a car accident in 2005

L2257[16:54:20] <Antheus> about safe driving and whanot

L2258[16:54:42] <Inari> what? people have ¬ on ther damn keyboards? psh

L2259[16:55:35] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Alt-Gr+6 on German keyboards iirc

L2260[16:55:49] <Inari> thats just 6

L2261[16:56:50] <MalkContent> that's nothing for me

L2262[16:56:59] <MalkContent> i want a ¬ key

L2263[16:57:11] <Antheus> I want a *lennyface* key

L2264[16:57:33] <MalkContent> that's multiple characters

L2265[16:57:43] <Antheus> you're multiple characters

L2266[16:57:45] <Inari> shift+key left of 1 = ¬ on englihs kb

L2267[16:58:04] <Antheus> not on american

L2268[16:58:06] <Antheus> ~

L2269[16:58:08] <Antheus> ~~~~

L2270[16:58:09] <Inari> key macros ftw

L2271[16:58:11] <Antheus> :(

L2272[16:58:15] <Antheus> well

L2273[16:58:18] <Antheus> i'm off to sleep

L2274[16:58:19] <Inari> well i have true english

L2275[16:58:20] <Inari> UK

L2276[16:58:22] <Inari> :P

L2277[16:58:27] <Antheus> ew

L2278[16:58:31] <Antheus> damn redcoats

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L2280[16:58:38] <Inari> better than rednecks

L2281[16:58:49] <AntheusAway> better than germans

L2282[16:58:52] <AntheusAway> #Rekt

L2283[16:58:55] <MalkContent> hmm ¬ is alt 170

L2284[16:59:13] <MalkContent> thats simple enough to remember

L2285[16:59:57] <Saphire> o.o

L2286[17:00:14] <AntheusAway> hi dangranos

L2287[17:00:15] <Inari> Saphire: ?

L2288[17:00:21] <Saphire> it's 5:00 why am I awake

L2289[17:00:27] <AntheusAway> because

L2290[17:00:32] <Inari> *pokes Saphire into the eyes*

L2291[17:00:34] <AntheusAway> youb can be

L2292[17:01:07] <Michiyo> it's 5:00 I'm at work.. for 30 more minutes..

L2293[17:01:21] <Inari> lewd night work!

L2294[17:01:48] <Michiyo> I'm at RadioShack... I'm not sure how lewd it is..

L2295[17:02:21] <Inari> well its a shack

L2296[17:02:22] <Inari> thats a start

L2297[17:02:46] <Michiyo> Yeah, but it's a shack full of Radios

L2298[17:02:54] * Saphire tries to evade Inari's poke with eyes closed

L2299[17:03:11] <Inari> Saphire: where do you live thats its 5:00

L2300[17:03:16] <Inari> assuming you mean AM

L2301[17:03:33] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: GMT+6 :P

L2302[17:03:37] <Michiyo> Where ever it is, it's +12 of me :P

L2303[17:04:10] <Inari> DeanIsaKitty: thats an answer of timezone very inexact when asked for location :P

L2304[17:04:30] <Inari> is inexact even a word

L2305[17:04:42] <DeanIsaKitty> unprecise :P

L2306[17:04:47] <Inari> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inexact totallz is

L2307[17:04:49] <Inari> ha!

L2308[17:05:29] <Saphire> Middle of russia

L2309[17:05:34] <Inari> cool

L2310[17:05:39] <Inari> got a raccoon pet/

L2311[17:05:41] <Inari> ?

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L2313[17:29:04] <MalkContent> hrm

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L2315[17:29:21] <MalkContent> stupid jei can't give lua eeproms or openos floppies

L2316[17:44:05] <Saphire> Heh

L2317[17:44:16] <Saphire> make an issue request?

L2318[17:44:28] <Saphire> *feature >_>

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L2320[17:47:21] <gamax92> how much power do normal usb ports give out?

L2321[17:47:29] <Lizzy> 0.5A

L2322[17:47:33] <Lizzy> per the standard

L2323[17:47:44] <gamax92> oh, so my wifi adapter completely uses up 100% of the front ports

L2324[17:47:58] <Lizzy> lol

L2325[17:48:27] <MalkContent> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB see electrical

L2326[17:48:35] <MalkContent> usb 3 got some more juice

L2327[17:48:55] <Lizzy> I'm currently having to power a Pi2 from a 2.4A apple charger that cannot keep it's voltage stable at all

L2328[17:51:07] <Lizzy> #p

L2329[17:51:12] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Timeout.

L2330[17:51:38] <Lizzy> #p

L2331[17:51:39] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0.832204057 Seconds passed.

L2332[17:52:31] <vifino> #p Lizzy

L2333[17:52:32] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 1.456664592 Seconds passed.

L2334[17:52:38] <vifino> #p Skye

L2335[17:52:43] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Timeout.

L2336[17:52:54] <vifino> #p AngieBLD

L2337[17:53:00] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Timeout.

L2338[17:53:03] <Saphire> #p

L2339[17:53:09] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Timeout.

L2340[17:53:31] <Saphire> Stupid phone irc client can't ctcp

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L2342[18:05:46] <MalkContent> Saphire: feature request?

L2343[18:05:58] <Saphire> Mhm

L2344[18:07:10] <MalkContent> seems more of an issue when i see the item, click on it and get the untyped version

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L2350[18:32:39] <MalkContent> baaaa. robot use duration is in seconds x)

L2351[18:39:28] <MalkContent> and still can't use items that require button down use properly. drats

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L2354[18:49:57] <vifino> If jesus would be a cat... https://i.imgur.com/knovjFH.jpg

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L2356[19:14:30] <Altenius> fuckin' C++ errors /usr/include/c++/5.3.0/ext/new_allocator.h:93:7: error: 'const _Tp* __gnu_cxx::new_allocator<_Tp>::address(__gnu_cxx::new_allocator<_Tp>::const_reference) const [with _Tp = const ComponentMethodEntry; __gnu_cxx::new_allocator<_Tp>::const_pointer = const ComponentMethodEntry*; __gnu_cxx::new_allocator<_Tp>::const_reference = const ComponentMethodEntry&]' cannot be overloaded

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L2358[19:14:46] <Altenius> wrong channel :(

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L2370[19:33:03] <Temia> A day in the life of a Linux user.

L2371[19:33:25] <Temia> "welp just pacaur -Syu'd oh man everything is broken ever, time to reboot"

L2372[19:33:37] <Temia> "oh great cower's broken gotta rebuild manually"

L2373[19:33:52] <Temia> "oh great Quassel Qt5 installed now my fonts look like ass, may as well see if there's a fix"

L2374[19:34:09] <Temia> "oh great Vivaldi's SSL is COMPLETELY BROKEN"

L2375[19:36:07] <malcom2073> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1870209289/Nelsonfinal_400x400.png

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L2377[19:47:07] <vifino> Temia: I'm not saying it's your fault, but....

L2378[19:47:25] <vifino> ... I use arch and didn't have anything break not being my fault. ever.

L2379[19:48:25] <malcom2073> Inappropriate anecdote is inappropriate

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L2381[19:54:31] <MalkContent> if i plonk down a bunch of wireless relays that overlap, does that lead to network circles?

L2382[19:54:53] <Temia> Well, I've dealt with all of the issues, and they were completely out of my control.

L2383[19:55:11] <Temia> A library update, xfce's config tools and Qt5 not communicating at all

L2384[19:55:43] <malcom2073> That's like saying driving a car on ice is completly out of your control. You got in the car, started it up, and drove off, knowing well in advance that it was icy out there and you should've taken the truck :-P

L2385[19:57:06] <Temia> Except I didn't have any reason to expect any updates to break shit.

L2386[19:57:43] <Temia> Either way user error was not involved in any way.

L2387[19:58:05] <Temia> Some were the consequences of standard updating, some were just slipping through the cracks

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L2389[20:03:16] <Temia> Plus it's not like anything's actually damaged, it's all being resolved quite cleanly. c.c;

L2390[20:04:26] <gamax92> Temia: are the updates now as clean as polished soap?

L2391[20:04:46] <Temia> More or less.

L2392[20:04:59] <malcom2073> Polished turd, which mythbusters proved actually polish up quite shiny

L2393[20:05:02] <Temia> I realised I had some superfluous packages from changing needs so I have to deal with those later.

L2394[20:05:03] <gamax92> what is more clean than polished soap

L2395[20:05:32] <Temia> Also for some reason Vivaldi's ffmpeg codecs package was trying to pull a gigabyte-large tarball of Chromium

L2396[20:05:40] <Temia> (I do NOT want to hear the story behind that one)

L2397[20:06:09] <gamax92> o.o

L2398[20:06:26] <vifino> o.O

L2399[20:06:45] <malcom2073> Holy hell the maintainer of your distro rocks heh

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L2401[20:06:53] <Temia> It's an AUR package.

L2402[20:07:00] <Temia> The distro maintainers have no involvement. c.c;

L2403[20:08:28] <gamax92> AUR is neat

L2404[20:13:48] <Dashkal> There's a very good reason why I try to strictly limit my pulls from AUR.

L2405[20:13:53] <Temia> ...Hm. Sound seems largely fucked.

L2406[20:13:56] <Dashkal> I'll often just install locally as my normal user to avoid it

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L2408[20:14:25] <NOIAMNOTVIFINO> tty.sh will be rebooting. Hopefully it doesn't explode.

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L2410[20:16:20] <Temia> That I may have to take one for. I guess I'll figure out what's going on in due time...

L2411[20:16:43] <NOIAMNOTVIFINO> I hate killing my uptime. ._.

L2412[20:22:45] <Temia> ...okay I'd really love to know how I managed to end up with no audio output whatsoever. Quassel WAS working but now it's silent too.

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L2418[20:41:23] <Temia> My sound card configuration changed and added an extraneous PCM channel that was 0ed out :T

L2419[20:41:33] <Temia> I feel like an idiot now.

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L2421[20:44:43] <Temia> So I looked closely at what vivaldi-beta-ffpmeg-codecs was doing

L2422[20:44:58] <Temia> It was literally downloading that gigabyte-large Chromium tarball off Google's own servers

L2423[20:45:04] <Temia> Then taking libffmpeg.so and throwing the rest out.

L2424[20:45:06] <Temia> It's kind of amazing.

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L2426[20:47:02] <Temia> (why Vivaldi can't use existing ffmpeg installations, I have no idea)

L2427[21:00:45] <Kodos> o/

L2428[21:03:44] <Temia> Oh thank god.

L2429[21:04:11] <Temia> There's an unofficial repository called herecura that saves me the hellishness of trying to download 1GB for a 1MB file over a 2mbit line.

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L2431[21:11:30] <Kodos> Lost my mom's spare phone charger somewhere in town tonight =(

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L2449[23:41:03] <sugoi> hello all

L2450[23:44:26] <Kodos> Interesting, OpenOS now has a home dir for default, but it still boots out of /?

L2451[23:46:56] <Kodos> Oh man, we have grep now?

L2452[23:47:58] <Kodos> What's the source.lua file/command do?

L2453[23:58:53] <sugoi> Kodos: :) what do you mean "boots out of /"

L2454[23:59:20] <sugoi> /home is the default boot point because the is more "user centric"

L2455[23:59:21] <Kodos> As in all the old directories like bin, lib, etc and init.lua are in /, but you start in the home pwd

L2456[23:59:32] <sugoi> i'd rather do that than create a default/force a useradd

L2457[23:59:43] <sugoi> yeah, like /home/Kodos

L2458[23:59:51] <sugoi> except, we're not going to force a "user"

L2459[23:59:57] <Kodos> Right