OCLogs: 2016-01-19.log

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L1[00:00:11] <greaser|q> ok, does anyone have any idea why the hell there's a 64KB volume that gets mounted on every damn system

L2[00:00:20] <SoraFirestorm> Is that the tmpfs?

L3[00:00:27] <SoraFirestorm> We were discussing the tmpfs earilre

L4[00:00:32] <SoraFirestorm> s/earilre/eariler/

L5[00:00:32] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> We were discussing the tmpfs eariler

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L7[00:01:25] <greaser|q> yes, does it actually affect RAM usage

L8[00:02:02] <greaser|q> for whatever reason it's actually part of the bloody system and not part of the OS

L9[00:02:10] <greaser|q> erm, not just some virtual drive in the OS

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L11[00:03:37] <sugoi> greaser|q: comment out the tmpfs mount in init.lua and retest free mem

L12[00:03:59] <sugoi> sorry

L13[00:03:59] <greaser|q> sugoi: it shows up even when not using OpenOS

L14[00:04:04] <sugoi> boot/02_os.lua

L15[00:04:15] <greaser|q> it's a fixed 64KB volume that always exists

L16[00:04:36] <sugoi> there is definitely NOT 64k allocated by the time init is called, ffiw

L17[00:04:55] <sugoi> as soon as eeprom hands boot over to me (i==openos, init.lua) there is only ~12k allocated

L18[00:05:30] <greaser|q> https://i.imgur.com/21rC5Jg.png

L19[00:05:54] <greaser|q> note i'm on 1.5 because 1. no 1.6 dev builds for 1.8.9 and 2. where the fuck IS the 1.6 source anyway

L20[00:06:05] <SoraFirestorm> It's the master branch

L21[00:06:14] <SoraFirestorm> It's also on it's own branches

L22[00:06:32] <greaser|q> is it actually called 1.5.22

L23[00:06:55] <sugoi> greaser|q: i sympathize, it took me a bit to find

L24[00:07:01] <sugoi> and at the moment, i dont even know how i found it

L25[00:07:24] <greaser|q> master-MC1.8.9 is 1.5.22 or something like that

L26[00:08:16] <SoraFirestorm> so

L27[00:08:19] <SoraFirestorm> I have a challenge

L28[00:08:41] <SoraFirestorm> https://github.com/RobertCochran/lua53mod

L29[00:08:50] <SoraFirestorm> This is the repo with my modified vanilla Lua 5.3

L30[00:09:03] <sugoi> whay do you mean "vanilla lua 5.3"

L31[00:09:10] <sugoi> i mean, how is it modified?

L32[00:09:11] <SoraFirestorm> Not OC's Lua

L33[00:09:22] <sugoi> i totally quoted the wrong part

L34[00:09:29] <SoraFirestorm> It has a patch to support the per-coroutine stuff

L35[00:09:33] <sugoi> i meant at first to ask, "what do you mean "modified" vanilla..."

L36[00:09:39] <sugoi> oh thats that one

L37[00:09:40] <sugoi> ok

L38[00:09:51] <SoraFirestorm> Need to find a better way to charge allocations

L39[00:10:03] <SoraFirestorm> Then I can 'port' it over to JNLua

L40[00:10:32] <SoraFirestorm> gamax92: you around?

L41[00:10:45] <SoraFirestorm> I'd like to see that script you were testing my patch with

L42[00:11:08] <sugoi> on a side note, why does my superflat test world always revert difficulty when i reenter the world?

L43[00:11:21] <sugoi> the first thing i'm always doing is /difficulty 0

L44[00:11:51] <SoraFirestorm> That might not save

L45[00:11:53] <SoraFirestorm> dunno though

L46[00:14:17] <Shuudoushi> uh huh... http://puu.sh/mBcRk/764bd8d762.png

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L48[00:15:09] <Shuudoushi> oh...

L49[00:15:18] <SoraFirestorm> I take it you're on the 5.3 arch?

L50[00:15:30] <Shuudoushi> I forgot to preload it with the rest of thepackages...

L51[00:15:39] <SoraFirestorm> oops

L52[00:15:47] <Shuudoushi> yeah, which I readded bit32 to

L53[00:16:59] <Shuudoushi> yeah.. that bit at the end of the 'package.preload' stuff was missing >.> http://puu.sh/mBcYU/f4f2783023.txt

L54[00:17:16] <Sharidan> can custom events be added to the event queue?

L55[00:17:34] <sugoi> yes

L56[00:17:52] <SoraFirestorm> just use the pushing mechanisms

L57[00:18:06] <SoraFirestorm> It's different between OSes/the 'bare metal'

L58[00:19:01] <SoraFirestorm> For OpenOS, use the event library

L59[00:19:14] <SoraFirestorm> for the 'bare metal', use computer.pushSignal()

L60[00:19:22] <SoraFirestorm> for any other OS... check your manual :)

L61[00:19:26] <Shuudoushi> hmmm, I wonder what email address i'll find this time http://puu.sh/mBd6j/321c9a4802.png

L62[00:19:47] <Shuudoushi> yeah... totally legit... http://puu.sh/mBd7O/5739ea6f3d.png

L63[00:19:48] <Sharidan> I was looking at the event api on the wiki, looking for a method to queue up custom events, but I can't see any push/queue method there. am I blind?

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L65[00:20:02] <SoraFirestorm> ~w event

L66[00:20:02] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:event

L67[00:20:14] <Sharidan> oh ok

L68[00:20:31] <Shuudoushi> event.listen() is one you can use

L69[00:20:43] <SoraFirestorm> That doesn't push events though

L70[00:20:46] <SoraFirestorm> It merely listens

L71[00:20:48] <Sharidan> doesnt that only tie into an event listener/trigger?

L72[00:20:49] <Sharidan> ye

L73[00:20:50] <Shuudoushi> true enough

L74[00:21:08] <SoraFirestorm> that's weird

L75[00:21:17] <SoraFirestorm> There's not an event call AFAIT

L76[00:21:19] <Sharidan> Sora said the computer api has a pushSignal method (looking it up now..)

L77[00:21:48] <Sharidan> nice - thanks Sora!

L78[00:21:51] <SoraFirestorm> yup

L79[00:22:12] <SoraFirestorm> I find it weird that OpenOS does not have facilities for pushing events

L80[00:22:31] <SoraFirestorm> But it would probably be just a thin wrapper anyways

L81[00:22:37] <Sharidan> true

L82[00:22:48] <SoraFirestorm> hell, I'd even do something like

L83[00:22:57] <SoraFirestorm> event.push = computer.pushSignal

L84[00:23:03] <SoraFirestorm> Literally make them the same function

L85[00:23:51] <Sharidan> I guess manipulating the event queue could be considered slightly more advanced scripting than what was intended for OpenOs

L86[00:26:09] <SoraFirestorm> that was fun news

L87[00:26:35] <SoraFirestorm> I think the correct term is "great uncle", he died

L88[00:26:49] <Shuudoushi> SoraFirestorm: explain more of this idea about event.push = computer.pushsignal?

L89[00:26:49] <Sharidan> who?

L90[00:27:00] <SoraFirestorm> Sharidan: one of my family members

L91[00:27:22] <Sharidan> oh - I'm sorry for your loss

L92[00:27:25] <SoraFirestorm> Shuudoushi: just that I find it weird that the event library has no pushing mechanisms

L93[00:27:49] <Shuudoushi> I'm thinking about added it to SOS at least

L94[00:27:52] <Sharidan> probably a simple oversight, but easily fixable

L95[00:27:57] <SoraFirestorm> But unless I'm mistaken, pushing isn't as complicated as pulling is from an event library standpoint

L96[00:28:13] <SoraFirestorm> I know there's special processing for event pulling

L97[00:28:22] <SoraFirestorm> not sure if there is anything special for pushing

L98[00:28:32] <SoraFirestorm> thanks Sharidan btw

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L101[00:29:14] <Shuudoushi> function event.push(...) computer.pushSignal(...) end it is then

L102[00:29:24] <SoraFirestorm> why do that?

L103[00:29:37] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: lighter weight to just event.push=computer.pushSignal

L104[00:29:38] <SoraFirestorm> Just do event.push = computer.pushSignal

L105[00:29:46] <Shuudoushi> fine

L106[00:29:50] <SoraFirestorm> technically more efficient :P

L107[00:30:02] <sugoi> i'll add it to openos if The One wants it so

L108[00:30:04] <Sharidan> overly complicated ... event.push = computer.pushSignal creates a pointer instead of a full function reference

L109[00:30:06] <sugoi> i've nothing against doing so

L110[00:30:25] <SoraFirestorm> wha?

L111[00:30:39] <Shuudoushi> XD

L112[00:30:42] *** Kasen is now known as rakiru|offline

L113[00:30:50] <SoraFirestorm> oh, that was an argument for, not against

L114[00:31:02] <SoraFirestorm> I read that like "don't do that! It's bad because xyz"

L115[00:31:03] <sugoi> i'll even put in the comments above that assignment

L116[00:31:11] <sugoi> -- SoraFirestorm said this was an oversight

L117[00:31:21] <SoraFirestorm> XD

L118[00:31:23] <sugoi> or, said not having this was ...

L119[00:31:45] <Shuudoushi> sugoi: did you get your thingy yet?

L120[00:32:08] <sugoi> what was my thingy?

L121[00:32:24] <SoraFirestorm> Shuudoushi: you talking about the 'special thinger'?

L122[00:32:24] <Shuudoushi> for some reason, this just looks like it's going to break stuff.. event.push = computer.pushSignal

L123[00:32:29] <Shuudoushi> yes

L124[00:32:43] <Shuudoushi> I couldn't remember what it was called >.>

L125[00:32:43] <SoraFirestorm> Shuudoushi: I'd be greatly surprised if it broke things

L126[00:33:05] <sugoi> i can tell you, in openos, it is not a functional problem to allow this

L127[00:33:08] <sugoi> to assign that

L128[00:33:11] <Shuudoushi> so would I, but it just looks broken b/c of the missing '()' lol

L129[00:33:17] <sugoi> oh :)

L130[00:33:24] <SoraFirestorm> oh

L131[00:33:26] <SoraFirestorm> nopes

L132[00:33:31] <SoraFirestorm> as intended :)

L133[00:33:32] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: i'm not sure what thing you're talking about, sorry

L134[00:33:48] <Shuudoushi> the special thinger...

L135[00:33:55] <SoraFirestorm> sugoi: the little robot parrot that contributors get

L136[00:33:59] <Shuudoushi> the fucking robot shoulder thing

L137[00:34:07] <sugoi> oh that

L138[00:34:08] <SoraFirestorm> What is the requirements for a special thinger anyways?

L139[00:34:12] <sugoi> haha

L140[00:34:18] <sugoi> i didn't know it could be referred to as that

L141[00:34:23] <sugoi> no, i haven't, but i'm fine without

L142[00:34:27] <Shuudoushi> 'great contribution to OC'

L143[00:34:33] <SoraFirestorm> ah

L144[00:34:33] <sugoi> well

L145[00:34:42] <sugoi> openos 1.6 isn't out yet

L146[00:34:48] <Shuudoushi> basically at least

L147[00:34:49] <sugoi> so technically, i've not contributed 'great'

L148[00:34:55] <SoraFirestorm> heh

L149[00:35:04] <sugoi> i have 2 PRs for openos 1.6

L150[00:35:12] <sugoi> first, the big dump and ram killer

L151[00:35:19] <sugoi> second, this optimization crap

L152[00:35:28] <Shuudoushi> lol

L153[00:35:30] <sugoi> btw, i didn't really kill that much ram

L154[00:35:32] <SoraFirestorm> if I get my patch in

L155[00:35:32] <sugoi> honestly

L156[00:35:54] <SoraFirestorm> that thought went nowhere

L157[00:35:55] <SoraFirestorm> nvm

L158[00:35:59] <sugoi> but ... openos 1.5 is SO close to the hard limit that suddenly my upgrades goes into the red

L159[00:36:37] <sugoi> right now i'm ~17k over 1.5

L160[00:36:44] <sugoi> out of ~200

L161[00:36:47] <sugoi> not huge,imo

L162[00:36:52] <SoraFirestorm> I think that the default memory values aren't high enough

L163[00:36:54] <Shuudoushi> I've been thinking about PRing this to OC (after clean up) but idk really https://github.com/Shuudoushi/SecureOS/blob/dev/lib/util.lua

L164[00:37:32] <Shuudoushi> we need t4 stuffz!

L165[00:37:50] <SoraFirestorm> Shuudoushi: you can do the stuff in util.readableNumber() with a logarithm

L166[00:37:59] <SoraFirestorm> no need for the if-else chain

L167[00:38:20] <Shuudoushi> thus why I said 'after clean up' lol

L168[00:38:36] <SoraFirestorm> I actually wrote a similar function in vanilla using said technique

L169[00:38:39] <SoraFirestorm> lemme see if I can find it

L170[00:39:09] <Shuudoushi> if your way is cleaner, I might just steal it >.>

L171[00:39:14] <Shuudoushi> lol

L172[00:39:38] <Shuudoushi> I also still have to fix my updater script >.>

L173[00:39:56] <SoraFirestorm> found it

L174[00:40:05] <Shuudoushi> it's SOOOO bad right now... https://github.com/Shuudoushi/SecureOS/blob/dev/sbin/update.lua

L175[00:41:04] <Shuudoushi> I should maybe move the 'event.push' thing to the top of the event lib...

L176[00:41:21] <SoraFirestorm> http://pastebin.com/1qMd2T4j

L177[00:41:35] <SoraFirestorm> Shuudoushi: throw a 'Sora helped me' somewhere and feel free to use

L178[00:42:08] <Shuudoushi> SoraFirestorm: to the 'readme' your name goes! I do need the link to your github though

L179[00:42:18] <SoraFirestorm> github.com/RobertCochran

L180[00:42:44] <SoraFirestorm> It feels so weird writing my real name :P

L181[00:43:21] <Shuudoushi> XD

L182[00:44:04] <Shuudoushi> what's the bit at the very bottom for?

L183[00:44:14] <SoraFirestorm> I originally wrote this as a Unix filter

L184[00:44:25] <SoraFirestorm> go ahead and strip that out

L185[00:44:27] <Shuudoushi> ah

L186[00:44:51] <Shuudoushi> ah, yes, I see the bash stuff at the top now

L187[00:44:57] <SoraFirestorm> yup

L188[00:45:03] <Shuudoushi> bash is a bad way to put it... but still

L189[00:45:16] <SoraFirestorm> The shebang

L190[00:46:16] <Shuudoushi> lol

L191[00:46:29] <SoraFirestorm> That's what its called :P

L192[00:46:35] <Shuudoushi> I also still need to get 'sudo !!' working come to think of it...

L193[00:46:36] <sugoi> openos checks for it too

L194[00:46:45] <SoraFirestorm> kinda neat actually

L195[00:46:51] <SoraFirestorm> that OpenOS checks for it

L196[00:47:05] <SoraFirestorm> Functionality that almost noone will use though

L197[00:47:11] <sugoi> heh yeah

L198[00:47:19] <Shuudoushi> I have forgotten how I was going to do this...

L199[00:47:24] <sugoi> also that still *.lua is hard coded into path resolution

L200[00:47:30] <Shuudoushi> holy fuck I really do need sleep...

L201[00:48:17] <sugoi> come one be less than 219k!!!!!

L202[00:48:29] <Shuudoushi> s/one/on

L203[00:48:29] <MichiBot> <sugoi> come on be less than 219k!!!!!

L204[00:48:49] <Sharidan> uhm, what is a good way to determine memory spendage on a script?

L205[00:48:59] <sugoi> s#/on#/on/#

L206[00:49:02] <SoraFirestorm> There's not

L207[00:49:14] <sugoi> Sharidan: excellent question :)

L208[00:49:21] <Sharidan> lol

L209[00:49:28] <SoraFirestorm> I mean

L210[00:49:41] <SoraFirestorm> The only way to do it atm is to measure free memory before and after

L211[00:49:43] <Sharidan> so it's basically shoot and hope you don't hit the max

L212[00:49:52] <SoraFirestorm> And that is subject to the GC doing its thinga

L213[00:49:57] <SoraFirestorm> s/thinga/thing/

L214[00:49:57] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> And that is subject to the GC doing its thing

L215[00:50:16] <SoraFirestorm> when (if) I complete my coroutine patch

L216[00:50:21] <SoraFirestorm> You can just query it

L217[00:50:25] <SoraFirestorm> until then

L218[00:50:30] <SoraFirestorm> good luck :P

L219[00:51:04] <sugoi> Sharidan: before you call your script, call collectgarbage (in oc we can't directly)

L220[00:51:11] <Shuudoushi> I have a function for benchmarking, but it only does how long the script takes to run atm...

L221[00:51:49] <Sharidan> hoki

L222[00:52:24] <Shuudoushi> does this look right? http://puu.sh/mBeGM/189a81799c.txt

L223[00:53:03] <Shuudoushi> thinking about how to do sudo bang bang fucked up my train of thought on the task at hand again...

L224[00:54:23] <SoraFirestorm> If the only place you are going to use the round() function is in my formatter

L225[00:54:32] <SoraFirestorm> Don't bother tonumber()ing it

L226[00:54:37] <SoraFirestorm> That was a mistake in my original

L227[00:54:58] <SoraFirestorm> Because I tend directly turn around and make it a string again

L228[00:55:09] <SoraFirestorm> other than that

L229[00:55:13] <SoraFirestorm> looks fine to me

L230[00:55:59] <Shuudoushi> so the first local and the if can all get removed

L231[00:56:27] <SoraFirestorm> no,

L232[00:56:31] <SoraFirestorm> what I'm saying is

L233[00:56:34] <greaser|q> ok, the amount of free RAM reported tends to fluctuate

L234[00:56:37] <SoraFirestorm> in the body for local function round()

L235[00:56:40] <SoraFirestorm> instead of

L236[00:56:44] <SoraFirestorm> return tonumber(blah)

L237[00:56:46] <sugoi> greaser|q: welcome to my hell

L238[00:56:51] <SoraFirestorm> just do return blah

L239[00:57:00] <SoraFirestorm> as long as you aren't relying on it to return a number elsewhere

L240[00:57:06] <SoraFirestorm> That's a mistake in my original

L241[00:57:09] <greaser|q> sometimes it's ~20KB used, sometimes it's ~100KB used

L242[00:57:10] <sugoi> SoraFirestorm: ok this is crazy

L243[00:57:20] <SoraFirestorm> the tonumber() is pointless in my usecase because I turn it back into a string directly after

L244[00:57:32] <Shuudoushi> ah, ok

L245[00:57:32] <sugoi> adding ONLY i promise ONLY event.push=computer.pushSignal to event.lua -- adds 8k allocation of ram on boot

L246[00:57:39] <SoraFirestorm> wtf

L247[00:57:41] <SoraFirestorm> no

L248[00:57:42] <SoraFirestorm> no

L249[00:57:42] <sugoi> i tested like 4 times, removed it, 8k back

L250[00:57:43] <Shuudoushi> brain less scrambled now

L251[00:58:11] <SoraFirestorm> why the hell?

L252[00:58:13] <Shuudoushi> lol, how the actual fuck

L253[00:58:14] <sugoi> greaser|q: call os.sleep(0) or computer.pushSignal(0) 20 times

L254[00:58:27] <greaser|q> yeah ok i think i know why it fluctuates, GC buildup

L255[00:58:51] <SoraFirestorm> just

L256[00:58:52] <SoraFirestorm> I don

L257[00:58:53] <SoraFirestorm> 't

L258[00:58:56] <SoraFirestorm> whaaa?

L259[00:59:00] <SoraFirestorm> that makes no sense

L260[00:59:06] <sugoi> yes, and bc we dont have collectgarbage in oc sandbox, The Brown let's it be called when the machine host gets yield back 20 times

L261[00:59:31] <Shuudoushi> ...

L262[00:59:49] <Shuudoushi> we need to figure out how to sandbox collectgarbage...

L263[00:59:53] <SoraFirestorm> yeaaah

L264[01:00:10] <SoraFirestorm> I don't quite understand why it needs to be sandbox-ed out

L265[01:00:16] <SoraFirestorm> But that's my inexperience showing

L266[01:00:28] <Shuudoushi> writes to host HDD?

L267[01:00:32] <Sharidan> forgive me for planting that oversight out there sugoi (event.push)

L268[01:00:36] <Shuudoushi> idfk either

L269[01:00:52] <Shuudoushi> Sharidan: it'll be added to SOS at least

L270[01:00:57] <SoraFirestorm> I suppose the answer would be to ask Sangar

L271[01:01:19] <Shuudoushi> sora just pinged The Wizard!

L272[01:01:30] <Sharidan> honestly I don't care where I have to place the call, as long as I can do it :)

L273[01:01:39] <Shuudoushi> lol, oh god this is going to get out of hand XD

L274[01:01:51] <SoraFirestorm> Sharidan: in the mean time, just use computer.pushSignal()

L275[01:01:56] <sugoi> well, if we could at least config it back in

L276[01:02:03] <sugoi> that'd be good enough for me

L277[01:02:04] <SoraFirestorm> Shuudoushi: how is this going to get out of hand?

L278[01:02:07] <Sharidan> that's the plan Sora :)

L279[01:02:12] <Shuudoushi> well, sugoi is also having to build for computers running on one t1 ram

L280[01:02:13] <SoraFirestorm> Did I just seriously mess up or something?

L281[01:02:34] <Shuudoushi> with the nicknames to avoid pinged The Brown

L282[01:02:53] <SoraFirestorm> The Brown?

L283[01:03:13] <Shuudoushi> He Who Don't Ping Needlessly

L284[01:03:33] <SoraFirestorm> oh, nicknames to avoid pinging who I just pinged?

L285[01:03:35] <greaser|q> i call him that because i endeavour to make it my duty to make him shit himself

L286[01:03:38] <Shuudoushi> s/He Who Don't Ping Needlessly/He Who We Don't Ping Needlessly

L287[01:03:38] <MichiBot> <Shuudoushi> He Who We Don't Ping Needlessly

L288[01:03:44] <greaser|q> see: video codec @ BTM

L289[01:03:46] ⇦ Quits: septi25 (~septi25@ipb21a8a62.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) (Ping timeout: 186 seconds)

L290[01:04:26] <Shuudoushi> SoraFirestorm: yes

L291[01:04:30] <SoraFirestorm> ah

L292[01:04:33] <SoraFirestorm> alright then

L293[01:04:59] <SoraFirestorm> I still need a way to get Emacs to yell or something when someone pings me

L294[01:05:03] <SoraFirestorm> Haven't quite figured that out yet

L295[01:05:28] <Shuudoushi> so till The Master speaks again, we'll just keep coming up with nicknames for The Brown and make sure The Wizard is highly confused :D

L296[01:05:33] <sugoi> he's probably used to seeing pings when he logs back

L297[01:05:39] <SoraFirestorm> probably

L298[01:06:22] <Shuudoushi> yeah, but this is still funny as hell XD

L299[01:07:04] <Sandra> ffs ace attorney. "The victim, Mr Deid Mann."

L300[01:07:43] <Shuudoushi> lol

L301[01:07:47] <Sharidan> can the cursor position be set through gpu?

L302[01:07:53] <Shuudoushi> yes

L303[01:07:59] <Shuudoushi> though it's a bit of a pain

L304[01:08:10] <Shuudoushi> ~w gpu

L305[01:08:10] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:gpu

L306[01:08:32] <Sharidan> so it would be easier to use term.setCursor() for that

L307[01:08:33] <Shuudoushi> Sharidan: take a look at your init.lua to see it in action

L308[01:08:42] <Shuudoushi> oooooh yesss

L309[01:08:43] <Shuudoushi> lol

L310[01:09:31] <Sandra> and don't forget the defendant, Mr Mack Rell.

L311[01:09:56] <Shuudoushi> I think it's something like 'component.gpu.fill(1,1)' to set cursor pos

L312[01:09:58] <Sharidan> I'm doing the UI for my ticket stand and I've been trying to avoid referencing term

L313[01:10:16] <SoraFirestorm> Sharidan: any particular reason?

L314[01:10:27] <Shuudoushi> I could be wrong on that one though

L315[01:10:32] <Sharidan> one less lib to reference :)

L316[01:10:45] <Shuudoushi> Sharidan: just use GMl like everyone else lol

L317[01:10:48] <Sharidan> less libs require'd should mean less memory usage

L318[01:11:05] <SoraFirestorm> indeed

L319[01:11:09] <SoraFirestorm> just curious

L320[01:11:17] <Sharidan> well, eventually I might cook up a competitor to gml

L321[01:12:22] <sugoi> how important is it that a lib/library have a queriable interface? :) like...for method in pairs(lib) do print(method) end ?

L322[01:12:40] <SoraFirestorm> I do it all the time

L323[01:12:45] <sugoi> yeah...'

L324[01:13:09] <sugoi> so even lib.method = function(...)end for 12 methods is costing me 3k

L325[01:13:17] <sugoi> with empty functions

L326[01:13:32] <SoraFirestorm> why does that feel so very wrong/

L327[01:13:35] <SoraFirestorm> I mean

L328[01:13:37] <SoraFirestorm> 3k

L329[01:13:39] <SoraFirestorm> srsly?

L330[01:13:42] <sugoi> yeah

L331[01:14:28] <Shuudoushi> ok... wtf SOS? http://puu.sh/mBfCX/540122f7b9.png

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L333[01:15:25] <Shuudoushi> sugoi: any ideas?

L334[01:16:48] <sugoi> SoraFirestorm: so i'm creating a lazy loader

L335[01:16:56] <sugoi> those 12 methods fully loaded cost 5k

L336[01:17:06] <sugoi> but that stupid redirect load ALONE costs 3k

L337[01:17:09] <sugoi> so i'm saving 2k

L338[01:17:13] <SoraFirestorm> I don't even

L339[01:17:13] <sugoi> it's so very painfully lame

L340[01:17:18] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: um

L341[01:17:22] <sugoi> i dunno :)

L342[01:17:26] <sugoi> i could probably help

L343[01:17:28] <sugoi> but...

L344[01:17:39] <sugoi> my brain is upset about lua memory atm

L345[01:18:10] <Shuudoushi> i'm just highly confused as to wtf is going on with SOS atm myself...

L346[01:18:18] <SoraFirestorm> hm

L347[01:18:28] <SoraFirestorm> I think I know how to fix my patch

L348[01:18:38] <sugoi> each redirect must be a static function address, in case a user tries to local grab one

L349[01:18:40] <Shuudoushi> DOOOO EEEET

L350[01:18:54] <sugoi> so i'm trying to find the least overhead in doing so

L351[01:19:07] <sugoi> but this is kicking my butt, 400 bytes per redirect?! really?1

L352[01:19:41] <Shuudoushi> doesn't each line of code add so much extra ram usage/

L353[01:20:02] <Shuudoushi> limit all those to just one line and see happens?

L354[01:20:06] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/8SBTy91.png http://i.imgur.com/GpbnDHS.png I can't decide whether to contemplate my life choices or go "this'll be so good when it's finished! :D "

L355[01:20:15] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: i would have said no, that'd make no diff

L356[01:20:30] <sugoi> but then again i just saw 8k vanish for a stupid event.push=computer.pushSignal line

L357[01:20:34] <sugoi> so what the crap do i know

L358[01:21:05] <Shuudoushi> Izaya: ...

L359[01:21:23] <Izaya> I haven't even written any code for it yet

L360[01:21:27] <Izaya> but this'll be glorious

L361[01:21:30] <Shuudoushi> get the fuck back in your cage and think about your life for awhile...

L362[01:21:53] <Izaya> it took me most of a day to collect those

L363[01:22:01] <Izaya> :<

L364[01:22:33] <Shuudoushi> sugoi: I'm going to laugh like a fucking madman and get the cops called to my house if putting all that shit on one line greatly lowers ram usage

L365[01:22:52] <Shuudoushi> Izaya: I'll trade you some TNT for that sppon

L366[01:22:55] <Shuudoushi> spoon*

L367[01:23:13] <Izaya> which spoon

L368[01:23:25] <Shuudoushi> the one you're digging that hole with

L369[01:23:26] <Izaya> I only have a knife on my desk

L370[01:24:14] <Shuudoushi> my southern humor is lost on you I see...

L371[01:24:39] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: it dropped from 3k to ~2.8k

L372[01:24:41] <Izaya> usually we dig holes with shovels or associated tools

L373[01:24:45] <sugoi> but, nothing that small can be trusted

L374[01:25:13] <Shuudoushi> sugoi: tbh... I'm shocked it dropped at all...

L375[01:25:26] <sugoi> well that mystery 8k came back on the first test :)

L376[01:25:42] <Shuudoushi> lol, wtf

L377[01:25:52] <Shuudoushi> maybe the emu has a bug?

L378[01:26:55] <sugoi> i'm not in the emu for memory testing

L379[01:27:14] <sugoi> HA

L380[01:27:15] <Shuudoushi> I have not a single fucking clue then yo...

L381[01:27:22] <sugoi> so i luaminified it for kicks and giggles

L382[01:27:31] <sugoi> now i have 9k lost

L383[01:27:41] <Shuudoushi> you did what to it?

L384[01:27:49] <sugoi> https://mothereff.in/lua-minifier

L385[01:27:52] <greaser|q> mine's probably quite heavy for RAM usage

L386[01:27:57] <greaser|q> well, heavyish

L387[01:27:59] <Shuudoushi> OOOOHHHH

L388[01:28:09] <Shuudoushi> lua minified

L389[01:28:35] <Shuudoushi> gotcha

L390[01:29:08] <SoraFirestorm> ok

L391[01:29:10] <SoraFirestorm> soooo

L392[01:29:20] <Shuudoushi> ok, fuck it, people ar just going to have to require bit32 in their programs

L393[01:29:27] <SoraFirestorm> https://github.com/RobertCochran/lua53mod/tree/alloc-fix

L394[01:29:28] * Shuudoushi flips the table.

L395[01:29:32] <SoraFirestorm> Maybe that fixes my alloc stuff

L396[01:29:34] <SoraFirestorm> who knows

L397[01:29:41] <Izaya> I wrote a function to flip tables

L398[01:29:48] <SoraFirestorm> Smart people (including gamax92): test this please

L399[01:29:57] <Izaya> it puts them in reverse order

L400[01:30:00] <SoraFirestorm> I meant for that to ping

L401[01:30:01] <Izaya> even the string ones

L402[01:30:03] <Izaya> don't ask me why

L403[01:30:05] <sugoi> you know..i think i know what this myster 8k thing is

L404[01:30:15] <sugoi> i think...somewhere...files are being cached

L405[01:30:20] <sugoi> outside of openos

L406[01:30:31] <sugoi> and when i change one ENOUGH, it gets the system mad at me

L407[01:30:35] <Shuudoushi> sugoi: MURDER THEM!!!!!!!

L408[01:30:35] <sugoi> and makes ME pay for it

L409[01:30:44] <Shuudoushi> lol

L410[01:30:52] <sugoi> but i'm serious

L411[01:30:57] <sugoi> i minify and mem goes up 8k

L412[01:31:04] <sugoi> so i close mc

L413[01:31:22] <Shuudoushi> you have buffering enabled in the config don't you?

L414[01:31:30] <sugoi> well i shutdown oc first, close out, recopy files, restart mc and my oc pc, and 8k is back

L415[01:31:37] <sugoi> i have buffering off

L416[01:31:43] <sugoi> should be direct file writes

L417[01:31:43] <Shuudoushi> o.O

L418[01:31:51] <Shuudoushi> wtf...

L419[01:32:05] <sugoi> it gets the NEW file fine

L420[01:32:10] <sugoi> but i think....the OLD file is still cached

L421[01:32:11] <Shuudoushi> sounds like it may be scala/java side then...

L422[01:32:30] <sugoi> and i think MY oc computer (in-game) is paying for that cache

L423[01:32:39] <Shuudoushi> seems it

L424[01:33:08] <sugoi> if someone would just make a fully functional memory usage tool for an emulator....

L425[01:33:33] <Saphire> Heh

L426[01:33:43] <sugoi> i wonder .. if i make sure to delete any oc state files (from the save/)

L427[01:33:49] * sugoi tries this

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L429[01:34:43] <Saphire> Q_Q

L430[01:34:47] <sugoi> oh...that crashes mc

L431[01:35:10] * Saphire catastrophically overate

L432[01:35:17] <sugoi> did i just lose my test world...

L433[01:35:37] <sugoi> .................

L434[01:35:41] <SoraFirestorm> oops

L435[01:35:48] * sugoi .....

L436[01:35:50] <Sharidan> real men don't make backups. they just spend tons of money on shrinks when they need their backups :)

L437[01:35:51] <Shuudoushi> OH MOTHERFUCKING HELL...

L438[01:35:55] <Saphire> #blamesora

L439[01:36:01] <SoraFirestorm> wait what/

L440[01:36:02] <Shuudoushi> I for got to push my changes to github -_-

L441[01:36:18] <SoraFirestorm> why are we blaming me?

L442[01:36:19] <Shuudoushi> the package.preload works fine -_-

L443[01:36:57] <Saphire> Dunno

L444[01:37:00] <sugoi> so yeah

L445[01:37:03] <sugoi> new superflat

L446[01:37:43] <Shuudoushi> sugoi: at least you weren't on a server :D

L447[01:38:03] * sugoi is a server

L448[01:38:12] <Shuudoushi> pretty sure you'd be getting lynched right about now :D

L449[01:39:08] <SoraFirestorm> uh

L450[01:39:10] <SoraFirestorm> nvm on that patch

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L452[01:39:13] <SoraFirestorm> It's still broken

L453[01:39:18] <Shuudoushi> i think I'm going to take a page from Magik6k's book and build openloader into SOS

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L455[01:40:18] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: well i'm not running this oc test stuff on an active world :)

L456[01:40:26] <Shuudoushi> lol

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L458[01:49:35] <Shuudoushi> now to watch as shit explodes :D

L459[01:59:55] <Shuudoushi> strange... http://puu.sh/mBhxx/11b07fd771.png

L460[02:00:14] <SoraFirestorm> lol

L461[02:00:19] <Shuudoushi> oh wait... did I ever add rm to the update path...

L462[02:00:21] * Sharidan offers fresh coffee [_P to everyone in channel

L463[02:00:29] <SoraFirestorm> hmmmmm coffee

L464[02:00:30] <SoraFirestorm> do want

L465[02:00:41] <SoraFirestorm> *ought*to go make some

L466[02:00:46] <Shuudoushi> fuck no I didn't

L467[02:00:47] <SoraFirestorm> But I'm a lazy bastard

L468[02:01:17] <SoraFirestorm> aha

L469[02:01:19] <Sharidan> there's always a pot of fresh coffee on my table :)

L470[02:01:23] <SoraFirestorm> now I know what's wrong

L471[02:03:55] <Shuudoushi> you know... forgetting to add shit to the update path could very well be the reason my keyboard wouldn't work the first time I tried adding multi-monitor support update...

L472[02:04:07] <SoraFirestorm> There's a situation that I'm not handling in the allocator...

L473[02:04:09] <Shuudoushi> adding the*

L474[02:04:15] <SoraFirestorm> well, may not be handling

L475[02:04:23] <SoraFirestorm> that would explain the discrepancy

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L477[02:13:40] <SoraFirestorm> wellll

L478[02:13:46] <SoraFirestorm> Maybe it's the way I've done my math here

L479[02:13:55] <SoraFirestorm> I'd be kinda surprised if it changes anything

L480[02:15:38] <SoraFirestorm> alright

L481[02:15:38] <SoraFirestorm> so

L482[02:15:51] <SoraFirestorm> there are 1552 bytes that Lua has that I am not aware of

L483[02:16:11] <SoraFirestorm> soooo

L484[02:16:20] <Sharidan> overhead?

L485[02:16:32] <SoraFirestorm> overhead for?

L486[02:16:56] <Sharidan> dunno - just wondering if that 1.5kb could be overhead of some sort

L487[02:17:12] <SoraFirestorm> I'm hooked into the allocator that Lua gets most of its memory from

L488[02:17:19] <SoraFirestorm> (obviously not all)

L489[02:17:20] <SoraFirestorm> so

L490[02:17:26] <SoraFirestorm> I'm confused where the extra is coming from

L491[02:17:35] <SoraFirestorm> Especially because the difference is a constant 1552

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L493[02:17:41] <SoraFirestorm> It's not fluctuating

L494[02:17:51] <Sharidan> static reference maybe

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L496[02:18:36] <SoraFirestorm> And it's the same after stopping the process and starting another

L497[02:18:37] <SoraFirestorm> so

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L500[02:35:29] <SoraFirestorm> I think its a mismatch with tracking of the GCdebt

L501[02:35:37] <SoraFirestorm> I'm still not even sure what that bit does though

L502[02:39:05] <Sharidan> gah .. it's really difficult shoehorning an app on a t1.5 setup, when most of the required libs eat up 14-19kb :/

L503[02:39:35] <SoraFirestorm> I know this was a long time ago

L504[02:39:42] <SoraFirestorm> But whoever mentioned T4 kit

L505[02:39:46] <SoraFirestorm> Why?

L506[02:39:49] <SoraFirestorm> And what would it be?

L507[02:40:08] <Sharidan> got roughly 60kb left to work with, of which the libs eat 14-17kb

L508[02:40:30] <Sharidan> may have to require a slightly bigger memory setup to get this running :/

L509[02:41:56] <SoraFirestorm> Sharidan: what are you writing again?

L510[02:42:12] <Sharidan> ticket stand for railcraft destinations

L511[02:42:58] <Sharidan> using the ticket machine from openperipherals to print the tickets. ticket stand uses a 3x3 screen block touch setup, for ticket destination selection

L512[02:43:29] <SoraFirestorm> sounds fine to me

L513[02:43:39] <SoraFirestorm> but maybe I don't understand things well enough

L514[02:44:49] <Sharidan> I'm just trying to figure out what the minimum memory requirements would be for the ticket stand app to run

L515[02:45:10] <SoraFirestorm> No idea

L516[02:45:20] <SoraFirestorm> Doesn't sound like it should be tons and tons though

L517[02:45:25] <Sharidan> on our live server, we've got roughly 170 stations that each would need a stand-alone ticket stand with an OC setup

L518[02:45:34] <SoraFirestorm> I think you'll fit plenty within 60k

L519[02:45:56] <SoraFirestorm> Do all your destinations fit on a single monitor?

L520[02:45:59] <Sharidan> sometimes it'll start, sometimes it wont

L521[02:46:00] <SoraFirestorm> Or will you need scrolling?

L522[02:46:03] <SoraFirestorm> hm

L523[02:46:25] <Shuudoushi> this is going to take for forever...

L524[02:46:25] <SoraFirestorm> mind if I look at the code?

L525[02:46:26] <Sharidan> I'll need scrolling or letter sorting to find the destinations - havnt written that yet

L526[02:47:03] <Sharidan> most of the code is still messy because I'm still experimenting and learning the OC way of doing things. I'm used to CC

L527[02:47:14] <Shuudoushi> bringing over the changes of edit and term are going to be the end of me...

L528[02:49:08] <SoraFirestorm> There's that 1552 number again

L529[02:49:15] <Sharidan> I was just wondering if I could get it running on the smaller t1.5 setup. since I need touch screens for destination selection, it will have to run on a t2 machine regardless, which by default means more memory

L530[02:49:46] <SoraFirestorm> you mean can take more memory?

L531[02:49:59] <Sharidan> I'll have more memory available

L532[02:50:05] <Sharidan> to spend

L533[02:50:50] <SoraFirestorm> s/take/put in/

L534[02:50:52] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> you mean can put in more memory?

L535[02:50:58] <SoraFirestorm> that's what I meant to say

L536[02:51:54] <Sharidan> well, I figured I might aswell just throw in a t2 memory stick in the t2 case for the ticket stand

L537[02:52:08] <SoraFirestorm> sure

L538[02:52:26] <SoraFirestorm> sounds like you're far enough into the game that you can toss a bit more gold into it

L539[02:52:35] <Sharidan> the t2 stick is bigger than the t1.5 stick, so I'll have more free memory to work with :)

L540[02:52:49] <SoraFirestorm> And you'll probably be fine with that

L541[02:53:10] <Sharidan> gold is not that big an issue anymore. I'm running the rail network, which has about 170 stations spread over roughly 12k blocks in total

L542[02:53:24] <Sharidan> players "pay" a gold nugget per trip they take

L543[02:53:39] <SoraFirestorm> Figured about as much

L544[02:53:44] <SoraFirestorm> Lots and lots of stations though

L545[02:53:45] <SoraFirestorm> wow

L546[02:53:58] <Sharidan> yup - took ages to build, but it's pretty cool :)

L547[02:54:26] <SoraFirestorm> I admittedly have yet to do a good build with OC

L548[02:54:43] <Sharidan> at any given time, some 290 trains are roaming the tracks - about half of them are passenger trains, the other half is goods transportation (items and liquids)

L549[02:54:53] <SoraFirestorm> cool

L550[02:55:15] <SoraFirestorm> wish I had some friends to play with

L551[02:55:22] <SoraFirestorm> my friends tend not to play anymore

L552[02:55:25] <SoraFirestorm> especially modded

L553[02:55:25] <Sharidan> eventually I'd like to build up a centralized control office for the entire rail network, where I can remote control the ticket stands, when adding new stations or retiring old ones

L554[02:55:33] <SoraFirestorm> we've had... not good experiences

L555[02:55:52] <Sharidan> ugh - doesnt sound good. griefing?

L556[02:55:59] <SoraFirestorm> kiiiiinda

L557[02:56:05] <Sharidan> crashing mods?

L558[02:56:07] <Sharidan> :P

L559[02:56:11] <SoraFirestorm> younger siblings

L560[02:56:19] <Sharidan> ah yes

L561[02:56:29] <Sharidan> fun times.

L562[02:56:36] <SoraFirestorm> I had one friend's little sister ban evade

L563[02:56:39] <SoraFirestorm> was so pissed off

L564[02:56:59] <Sharidan> not fun at all

L565[02:57:09] <SoraFirestorm> and other times it was us the main players

L566[02:57:20] <SoraFirestorm> we were not always the most mature with each other

L567[02:58:12] <SoraFirestorm> no one involved was particularly fond of mods ever since

L568[02:58:29] <Sharidan> stuff happens and people move on

L569[02:58:32] <SoraFirestorm> yeah

L570[02:58:41] <SoraFirestorm> part of the problem in finding a server is that I do my own pack

L571[02:58:55] <SoraFirestorm> I haven't done any of the mainline FTB stuff or anything like that in quite some time

L572[02:58:55] <Shuudoushi> well, edit is finally done...

L573[02:59:01] <Shuudoushi> onto to ls x.x

L574[02:59:28] <SoraFirestorm> and so long as there would be only 5 or 6 of us

L575[02:59:29] <Sharidan> we're running with a custom pack on our setup too

L576[02:59:32] <SoraFirestorm> I would totally host

L577[02:59:49] <SoraFirestorm> I have my own launcher and everything (kinda)

L578[02:59:57] <Sharidan> nice :)

L579[03:00:40] <SoraFirestorm> the friend who is actually hosting the files is having trouble with his server though

L580[03:00:47] <SoraFirestorm> so it hasn't been working right lately

L581[03:01:03] <Sharidan> that sucks :/

L582[03:01:07] <SoraFirestorm> yeah

L583[03:01:34] <SoraFirestorm> the other part of the problem is that a lot of people don't share my mod sensibilities

L584[03:01:51] <Sharidan> like?

L585[03:01:59] <SoraFirestorm> None of my friends are particular fond of Flan's Mod, particularly the guns

L586[03:02:16] <SoraFirestorm> I'm a gun person, so I like having them

L587[03:02:27] <SoraFirestorm> Even though you could easily build TiCons far more powerful

L588[03:02:36] <SoraFirestorm> s/TiCons/TiCon tools/

L589[03:02:36] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> Even though you could easily build TiCon tools far more powerful

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L591[03:03:14] <SoraFirestorm> actually, that's the only disliked one I can think of off-hand

L592[03:03:22] <SoraFirestorm> but that was a big barrier to entry for some people

L593[03:03:25] <SoraFirestorm> :/

L594[03:03:54] <Sharidan> I usually don't have much use of the combat system, as I'm usually the tech & infrastructure builder

L595[03:04:12] <SoraFirestorm> I do have lots and lots of tech mods

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L597[03:04:28] <SoraFirestorm> I offer the "choice" of Thermal Suite, Mekanism, and EnderIO

L598[03:04:39] <Sharidan> oh that reminds me: is enderio supported in oc?

L599[03:04:46] <SoraFirestorm> can't recall

L600[03:05:08] <Sharidan> as in the redstone conduits - similar to the bundled cables from projectred/redlogic

L601[03:05:14] <SoraFirestorm> oh

L602[03:05:17] <SoraFirestorm> uuuuhhh

L603[03:05:20] <SoraFirestorm> still dunno

L604[03:05:24] <SoraFirestorm> preeetty sure

L605[03:05:24] <Sharidan> I havnt seen enderio mentioned anywhere

L606[03:06:00] <SoraFirestorm> well

L607[03:06:07] <SoraFirestorm> We have wrench intergration

L608[03:06:21] <SoraFirestorm> no bundle support it seems :/

L609[03:06:49] <greaser|q> i have enough of a filesystemsystem that i can run dh0:bin/echo.lua

L610[03:07:00] <SoraFirestorm> I recall hearing offhand that Computronics had support?

L611[03:07:07] <SoraFirestorm> Don't 100% remember

L612[03:07:10] <Sharidan> there are ways to convert if needed

L613[03:08:18] <SoraFirestorm> checking...

L614[03:09:06] <SoraFirestorm> yes, Computronics supports "Any EnderIO device"

L615[03:09:32] <Sharidan> oki cool. thanks for checking :)

L616[03:09:36] <SoraFirestorm> yup

L617[03:09:49] <Sharidan> btw - you and I are name brothers - heh

L618[03:10:07] <SoraFirestorm> ?

L619[03:10:15] <Sharidan> Robert - my first name too

L620[03:10:20] <SoraFirestorm> ah

L621[03:10:21] <SoraFirestorm> cool

L622[03:10:37] <SoraFirestorm> *still* feels weird writing my real name on the Internet :P

L623[03:10:49] <Sharidan> I feel the same way! :D

L624[03:13:03] <Saphire> Q_Q

L625[03:13:08] <SoraFirestorm> Saphire: ?

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L627[03:13:35] <SoraFirestorm> Sharidan: pretty sure I'll start transitioning to using my real name soonish

L628[03:13:36] <Saphire> somewhy if name ends with aeiou i assume it's female

L629[03:14:04] <SoraFirestorm> Saphire: that did not make any sense. please try again.

L630[03:14:27] <Sharidan> how come Sora?

L631[03:14:37] <SoraFirestorm> Sora from Kingdom Hearts

L632[03:14:54] <Saphire> :c

L633[03:15:26] <Saphire> rl name is Danil, fucking overused here

L634[03:15:33] <SoraFirestorm> :(

L635[03:15:40] <SoraFirestorm> sorry

L636[03:15:55] <Saphire> Hm?

L637[03:16:24] <SoraFirestorm> forget it

L638[03:16:31] <SoraFirestorm> I'm now totally confused

L639[03:16:38] <SoraFirestorm> thinking is hard

L640[03:17:29] <Saphire> As for what i said before.. if name matches regexp [aeiou]$ i think that it's a female name because in my (russian) language female names end with vowels

L641[03:17:53] <SoraFirestorm> okay

L642[03:18:03] <Sharidan> cultural differences ftw :)

L643[03:18:11] <SoraFirestorm> yeah

L644[03:18:25] <SoraFirestorm> I've been told that apparently Sora is a girl's name

L645[03:18:38] <SoraFirestorm> Even though I totally stole it from a male character

L646[03:18:47] <Saphire> (attached regexp will match every string (a name in this case) that ends with a, e, i, o or u)

L647[03:18:56] <Saphire> SoraFirestorm: yeah

L648[03:18:57] <SoraFirestorm> Saphire: I saw

L649[03:19:07] <SoraFirestorm> "Sora" is Japanese for sky

L650[03:19:13] <Saphire> Ah

L651[03:19:18] <SoraFirestorm> and that makes it a girl's name idk

L652[03:19:26] <Lizzy> "<SoraFirestorm> thinking is hard" I can confirm

L653[03:19:33] <SoraFirestorm> Thank you Lizzy :P

L654[03:19:37] <Cruor> SoraFirestorm: then what about KH :I

L655[03:19:41] <Saphire> Hi Lizzy

L656[03:19:43] <Lizzy> hi

L657[03:19:44] <SoraFirestorm> Cruor: yeah idk

L658[03:19:58] * Saphire waits for dentist in line :c

L659[03:20:00] <SoraFirestorm> Most people on the internet just assume I'm a guy

L660[03:20:05] <Cruor> and NGNL

L661[03:20:08] <SoraFirestorm> Some get the reference

L662[03:20:19] <Cruor> seems rather unisex :p

L663[03:20:29] <SoraFirestorm> I guess

L664[03:20:35] <Sharidan> had to go look it up tbh when you mentioned the reference Sora

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L666[03:20:46] <SoraFirestorm> I've only had the one person tell me Sora is a female name

L667[03:20:47] <SoraFirestorm> so

L668[03:20:48] <Saphire> with sounds of drill on background and smell of.. something .-.

L669[03:21:09] <Saphire> SoraFirestorm: someone who isn't me?

L670[03:21:21] <SoraFirestorm> yeah

L671[03:21:28] <SoraFirestorm> it was a while ago

L672[03:21:28] <Saphire> Huh

L673[03:21:29] * Lizzy is downloading GTAV to her laptop using her work's internet + some VPN tunnels at about 11MB/s

L674[03:21:32] <SoraFirestorm> Don't remember where it was

L675[03:21:42] <SoraFirestorm> > 11MBs

L676[03:21:47] <SoraFirestorm> ;_;

L677[03:21:51] <Saphire> Must have been some russian/slavic :D

L678[03:21:59] <Shuudoushi> I really wish I could remember what I changed in the term lib so I can redo it once I merge the changes from OOS...

L679[03:22:22] <SoraFirestorm> Lizzy: 2MB up 1MB down

L680[03:22:26] <SoraFirestorm> life is hard

L681[03:22:40] <SoraFirestorm> (MB being megabyte)

L682[03:22:42] <Lizzy> SoraFirestorm, yep, work has 1Gbit internet links

L683[03:23:06] <SoraFirestorm> eventually we'll have fiber

L684[03:23:07] <SoraFirestorm> eventually

L685[03:23:09] <Sharidan> nice place to work :)

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L687[03:23:28] <Lizzy> SoraFirestorm, heh, my dad has fiber. get about 30/5 there

L688[03:23:30] <Lizzy> well

L689[03:23:34] <Lizzy> in a speedtest anyway

L690[03:23:34] <SoraFirestorm> Apparently the local municipal internet provider is going to do fiber around here

L691[03:23:40] <Lizzy> steam doesn't go above 6MB/s

L692[03:23:42] <SoraFirestorm> which would be nice

L693[03:24:38] <Lizzy> also talking of fiber, all the switches in this building are linked together with either 1Gbit or 1Gbit fiber to the core and these switches achieve near-line-speeds

L694[03:24:52] <SoraFirestorm> jelly

L695[03:24:55] <SoraFirestorm> incredibly so

L696[03:25:25] <Lizzy> yeah, i wish i had it for home internet

L697[03:25:26] <SoraFirestorm> can we hurry up on getting ISPs reclassed as common carriers already?

L698[03:25:41] <Saphire> uuuugh

L699[03:26:16] <Saphire> Why people confuse name 'Danil' with 'Denis'?

L700[03:26:25] <SoraFirestorm> It's a one letter difference

L701[03:26:34] <Lizzy> 2, actually

L702[03:26:43] <SoraFirestorm> oops

L703[03:26:46] <SoraFirestorm> yup

L704[03:27:41] <SoraFirestorm> Lizzy: wouldn't happen to be familiar with the Lua internals, would you?

L705[03:28:03] <Lizzy> heh, just monitoring iftop on my server that i'm VPN'd into, it's currently showing high bandwidth to steam/valve servers :P

L706[03:28:08] <Lizzy> SoraFirestorm, in what way?

L707[03:28:18] <SoraFirestorm> I'm trying to fix my coroutine memory patch

L708[03:28:23] <Lizzy> ah, then no

L709[03:28:38] <SoraFirestorm> And there is this diffence of 1552 bytes between what Lua reports and what I report

L710[03:29:32] <SoraFirestorm> I have no idea where this extra 1552 is

L711[03:29:38] <Saphire> Up or down?

L712[03:29:50] <SoraFirestorm> Lua's is 1552 up from mine

L713[03:30:00] <Saphire> Ah

L714[03:30:29] <Saphire> some overhead that doesn't gets captured by your code?

L715[03:31:13] <SoraFirestorm> I doubt it, but that might be it

L716[03:31:30] <SoraFirestorm> I'm hooked into the allocator that almost everywhere else gets its memory from

L717[03:31:43] <Saphire> >almost

L718[03:31:51] <SoraFirestorm> well, not that 1552! :P

L719[03:32:07] <SoraFirestorm> I have no idea where this alloc is coming from though

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L721[03:35:25] <Sharidan> don't let those 1552 bytes haunt your mind Sora

L722[03:35:44] <SoraFirestorm> :P

L723[03:36:04] <Saphire> Just add magical number \o/

L724[03:36:11] <SoraFirestorm> eeeeh

L725[03:36:14] <Sharidan> excellent idea! :D

L726[03:36:17] <SoraFirestorm> I need to do more science before I do that

L727[03:36:22] <Saphire> >:)

L728[03:36:39] <Sharidan> "There's only one thing left to do: I'm gonna have to science the shit outta this."

L729[03:37:42] <Shuudoushi> what the actual fuck did I change in the term lib to warrant me putting it in the update path...

L730[03:38:31] <Sharidan> comments & notes .. hint, hint

L731[03:38:38] <Saphire> Ident changes?

L732[03:38:47] <SoraFirestorm> made it change

L733[03:38:52] <Shuudoushi> may have been indents...

L734[03:38:59] <SoraFirestorm> %calc 1624 - 1552

L735[03:38:59] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: 72

L736[03:39:17] <Saphire> git diff *path*

L737[03:39:24] <Sharidan> so what did you do to make it change?

L738[03:39:28] <Shuudoushi> I really should start leaving notes on what i edit and where so I can figure this shit out...

L739[03:39:33] <SoraFirestorm> created a coroutine

L740[03:39:45] <Saphire> Ah?

L741[03:39:49] <Sharidan> corotine pointer table maybe?

L742[03:39:54] <Shuudoushi> let me look at my github history for term

L743[03:40:21] <SoraFirestorm> 72

L744[03:40:28] <SoraFirestorm> 72 is the magic increase number

L745[03:40:57] <SoraFirestorm> woaaah

L746[03:41:09] <SoraFirestorm> made the difference go down *drastically*

L747[03:41:16] <SoraFirestorm> from 1600 to 888

L748[03:41:28] <SoraFirestorm> (did a collectgarbage() btw)

L749[03:42:08] <Saphire> Hm?

L750[03:42:24] <Shuudoushi> Oh cock sucking motherfucking whore bag of a cum guzzling slut of a turkey fucking nun -_-

L751[03:42:34] <SoraFirestorm> uh

L752[03:42:35] <SoraFirestorm> no?

L753[03:42:49] <Shuudoushi> it landed in the update path b/c of changes to OC main -_-

L754[03:43:05] <Saphire> Uh

L755[03:43:17] <Saphire> What do you mean?

L756[03:43:35] <Shuudoushi> SOS is built from OpenOS

L757[03:43:54] <Shuudoushi> so it shares a lot of the same libs and programs

L758[03:44:25] <Shuudoushi> and anytime there is a change to OpenOS on the OC repo, I mirror the changes in SecureOS

L759[03:44:54] <Shuudoushi> in other words, I can just copy paste the whole fucking term.lua and not make SOS explode

L760[03:46:50] <Shuudoushi> https://github.com/Shuudoushi/SecureOS/commit/e2513966bc9d105bd59fd4bf115106a5f2a9f6a5

L761[03:48:37] <Shuudoushi> github... stop smokeing meth... I only changed like 4 line for sh.lua...

L762[03:50:08] <DeanIsaKitty> Thats git's diff function for you :P

L763[03:50:18] <SoraFirestorm> the way that diff comes up with the patch bands can be really weird

L764[03:51:48] <SoraFirestorm> Shuudoushi: you know what that looks like?

L765[03:51:53] <SoraFirestorm> Line ending conversions

L766[03:51:57] <Shuudoushi> a fucking mess/

L767[03:52:08] <Shuudoushi> I think you're right...

L768[03:52:13] <SoraFirestorm> run this diff on the commandline

L769[03:52:17] <Shuudoushi> I use linux line endings...

L770[03:52:21] <SoraFirestorm> See if you can find "^M"s

L771[03:52:39] <Shuudoushi> yeah, no need

L772[03:53:00] <Shuudoushi> I already know it's the line endings, I just recently switched to the linux ones

L773[03:53:36] <SoraFirestorm> any editor worth using will only use CRLF line endings only if the file already is CRLF

L774[03:54:02] <SoraFirestorm> quite honestly, the only editor that I know of that is too dumb to do CRLFs is Notepad

L775[03:54:11] <SoraFirestorm> s/CRLF/LF/

L776[03:54:11] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> quite honestly, the only editor that I know of that is too dumb to do LFs is Notepad

L777[03:54:35] <SoraFirestorm> Some other editors may not be smart enough to do LF as default though

L778[03:54:35] <Sharidan> the perfect M$ tool at it's best :)

L779[03:54:57] <Shuudoushi> I setup atom to automatically convert all line endings to the linux ones

L780[03:55:20] <SoraFirestorm> Sharidan: Most of that problem is that Notepad hasn't significantly changed in the last 40 years

L781[03:55:35] <Sharidan> hence why it's useless :)

L782[03:55:55] <Shuudoushi> the only change I can think of is that it went from C# to C++

L783[03:56:25] <Shuudoushi> C#? ... fuck it

L784[03:56:54] <Sharidan> M$ is of the oppinion, that it's best to sell the same product to each customer at least 10 times, due to licensing differences, but never actually change the product itself

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L786[03:57:54] <Shuudoushi> lol... in my frenzy to update SOS before i pass out... I forgot to make sure this ended back in the event lib... event.push = computer.pushSignal

L787[03:58:03] <SoraFirestorm> lol

L788[03:58:35] <Sharidan> oops - heh

L789[03:58:43] <Shuudoushi> there, fucking fixed, now let's see if SOS explodes

L790[03:58:55] * Sharidan hands Shuudoushi a stick of TNT

L791[03:58:58] <Sharidan> try with that :)

L792[03:59:09] <Shuudoushi> I really do have some TNT

L793[03:59:13] <Shuudoushi> ...

L794[03:59:22] <Sharidan> lol

L795[04:00:03] <Sharidan> never code on your 22nd hour of no sleep

L796[04:00:49] <Turtle> grr ms office is acting up

L797[04:01:21] <Sharidan> kill TrustedInstaller, kill office, reboot :P

L798[04:01:54] <Turtle> Visio is randomly going crashy crashy presumably b/c addins, which I don't have in safe-mode

L799[04:02:20] <Shuudoushi> shit has exploded... http://puu.sh/mBmjY/fc75adfea9.png

L800[04:03:58] <Shuudoushi> ummm... http://puu.sh/mBmns/bc20a2c729.png

L801[04:04:27] <Shuudoushi> wtf?

L802[04:04:41] <Turtle> the function doesn't exist?

L803[04:04:58] <Shuudoushi> 12~14 local function gpu()

L804[04:04:58] <Shuudoushi> return select(2, term.getGPU())

L805[04:04:58] <Shuudoushi> end

L806[04:05:07] <Turtle> getGPU =/= gpu

L807[04:05:50] <Shuudoushi> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/commit/29c49e0cf7c8862b2f3fa2f178344991cb19acd3#diff-5001003922125adb1f8c83a0d465b039R13

L808[04:06:00] <Shuudoushi> wow, big link...

L809[04:06:18] <Turtle> oh hurr

L810[04:06:24] <Turtle> uhh... term.getGPU no exist.

L811[04:06:50] <Shuudoushi> if it's freaking about the APU I'm using in the computer, someone is getting a boot in the ass -_-

L812[04:07:13] <Turtle> vOv, but term.getGPU doesn't exist, go figure out why

L813[04:08:22] <Sharidan> .getGPU is not natively in the term api - is it custom to SOS?

L814[04:08:41] <Shuudoushi> term.lua l210 function methods:getGPU()

L815[04:08:52] <Shuudoushi> no

L816[04:09:03] <Shuudoushi> latest ver of OC 1.5

L817[04:09:18] <Sharidan> ah ok

L818[04:09:48] <Sharidan> I'm stuck on 1.5.21 due to 1.7.10 environment

L819[04:10:25] <Lizzy> Sharidan, the latest OC releases (1.6 which is currently in-dev) still work on 1.7.10

L820[04:11:13] <Sharidan> I got this version off curse a few days ago. was the newest 1.7.10 release I could find there

L821[04:11:30] <SoraFirestorm> Because it's the latest stable

L822[04:11:36] <Sharidan> gotcha

L823[04:11:46] <SoraFirestorm> You can build the devel version from Github if you felt like it

L824[04:12:44] <Sharidan> true I could. just havnt had the time yet

L825[04:13:49] <Aedda> I had an odd, glitch, it only happened once but I am curious if anyone has heard of it. The Screen and Case are both T3, both were dyed with black dye. I went exploring, came back to this https://i.imgur.com/XUBrJmG.png note neither is dyed black any longer, the Screen is facing the wall.

L826[04:13:54] <SoraFirestorm> Believe it's even available via Jenkins

L827[04:14:20] <SoraFirestorm> Aedda: weird

L828[04:14:32] <Sharidan> lovely glitch you have there Aedda :)

L829[04:15:13] <Shuudoushi> lol, wtf

L830[04:17:03] <Aedda> I have since re-placed the Screen and dyed both purple, waiting to see if it happens again.

L831[04:17:14] <Saphire> Whew

L832[04:17:27] <Saphire> Got permanent tooth.. patch?

L833[04:17:36] <Shuudoushi> oh fuck this shit, I'll work on it tomorrow -_-

L834[04:17:45] <Saphire> And there wasn't even any pain \o/

L835[04:18:03] <Shuudoushi> ... later today it is then... I'm not going to get much of shit worth sleep...

L836[04:18:06] <Aedda> It has happened again!

L837[04:18:20] <Saphire> Though now i have awful taste of meds and pulverised tooth in my mouth

L838[04:18:28] <SoraFirestorm> Aedda: Is this SSP?

L839[04:18:39] <Aedda> yes

L840[04:18:55] <Shuudoushi> have you tried turning it off and on?

L841[04:19:01] <SoraFirestorm> back to blue monitor backwards and grey case?

L842[04:19:08] <Aedda> https://i.imgur.com/yNOUmiT.png

L843[04:19:08] <SoraFirestorm> at any rate

L844[04:19:13] <SoraFirestorm> Try a full restart of MC

L845[04:19:25] <Aedda> Shuudoushi: It isn't even powered yet lol

L846[04:19:31] <SoraFirestorm> just the monior this time

L847[04:19:32] <Aedda> SoraFirestorm: That seems to be what is causing it

L848[04:19:32] <Shuudoushi> lol

L849[04:19:37] <Shuudoushi> yep, night all o/

L850[04:19:43] <Aedda> Sleep well Shuudoushi

L851[04:26:30] <SoraFirestorm> Going to hop off IRC too

L852[04:26:34] <SoraFirestorm> laters yall

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L855[04:41:53] <Saphire> Hi g

L856[04:42:23] <g> o/

L857[04:42:42] <Lizzy> o/

L858[04:43:08] <Saphire> o/

L859[04:48:42] <g> Sup?

L860[04:50:45] <Turtle> uggghhhh.... future me is going to hate me for ripping this code apart and making it a seperate lib

L861[04:59:34] <Turtle> ... wait what the hell do I call a hacky mess that controls an instance of chrome to provide an api onto a fuckmess of js.

L862[05:01:17] <Lizzy> Does anyone know of any IPv6 ULA-sending linux daemons?

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L874[06:33:53] <Lizzy> :< kebab shop doesn't open till 1pm

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L880[06:35:10] <Mimiru> o_O

L881[06:36:01] <Lizzy> ?

L882[06:36:04] <MajGenRelativity> Mimiru, how do I figure out things like the cooldown rate and movement speed of laser turrets?

L883[06:36:14] <MajGenRelativity> are they methods I can call?

L884[06:36:23] <MajGenRelativity> s/they/there

L885[06:36:23] <MichiBot> <MajGenRelativity> are there methods I can call?

L886[06:37:07] <Mimiru> Well, you can call isReady to see if the gun has cooled

L887[06:37:18] <Mimiru> as far as movement speed... no theres no method for it

L888[06:37:40] <MajGenRelativity> want to give me some super special dev knowledge about the movement speed? :P

L889[06:37:45] <Mimiru> but the base is 0.005 and each speed upgrade adds 0.002

L890[06:37:54] <MajGenRelativity> ok, thank you!

L891[06:38:13] <Mimiru> When I get the chance to add tiers t2 upgrades will add more

L892[06:38:13] <MajGenRelativity> OS is in my modpack, and I have the latest version as of yesterday

L893[06:38:18] <MajGenRelativity> :O

L894[06:38:28] <Mimiru> but that's a while off

L895[06:38:55] <MajGenRelativity> ok

L896[06:39:15] <MajGenRelativity> Mimiru, want me to hit you up with a modpack link so you can see what I have with your mod, or nah?

L897[06:41:00] <Mimiru> Also, Lizzy my o_O was to the fact that shift-clicking a channel closes it, and I left OC cause of it :P

L898[06:41:09] <Lizzy> ah

L899[06:42:49] <Sharidan> hmm .. is there a way to unreference or force a reload of libraries, when editing them in an external editor?

L900[06:42:58] <Sharidan> without having to reboot the comp I mean

L901[06:43:02] <Mimiru> yes

L902[06:43:16] <Mimiru> I just can't remember exactly how to

L903[06:43:17] <Mimiru> lol

L904[06:45:44] <Mimiru> Sharidan, package.loaded.Name = nil

L905[06:46:20] <Mimiru> iirc

L906[06:46:32] <Sharidan> is it added to package when you require() some lua file?

L907[06:47:32] <Mimiru> yes

L908[06:48:20] <Sharidan> hokay, so I should really use that to clean up after my app when it's done I guess

L909[06:49:28] <Sharidan> yea this definately works. thank you Mimiru :)

L910[06:52:02] <Mimiru> np

L911[06:58:29] <Mimiru> Next project is OpenPrinter for 1.8... maybe it'll be easier then OS for 1.8

L912[06:58:57] <Mimiru> I'll just nuke the 3d model...

L913[07:00:12] <MajGenRelativity> Just have the printer use the "missing block" model

L914[07:00:17] <MajGenRelativity> who needs textures anyways?

L915[07:01:04] <Mimiru> It already has a block texture :P

L916[07:01:20] <MajGenRelativity> get rid of it

L917[07:01:25] <MajGenRelativity> who needs textures anyways?

L918[07:01:37] <MajGenRelativity> :P

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L920[07:02:10] <MajGenRelativity> anyways, did you want a modpack link Mimiru, or nah?

L921[07:02:31] <Mimiru> Nah, not right now anyway

L922[07:02:34] <MajGenRelativity> Ok

L923[07:02:51] <MajGenRelativity> Let me know if you ever do, I try to update all the mods once a month

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L925[07:04:48] <MajGenRelativity> Next update will hopefully include the new update to Draconic Evolution that will make my armor good again

L926[07:06:14] <Sharidan> where would be a good/correct location to put config files for a script? should I place my configs in the usr folder somewhere or is there a different recomended location?

L927[07:07:29] <Saphire> /etc

L928[07:07:43]

<Mimiru> Configs? Pffft hardcode everything!

L929[07:08:04] <Sharidan> hehe wish I could, but not quite an option in this case, sadly :)

L930[07:08:13] <Saphire> that's the FHS

L931[07:08:24] <Sharidan> fhs?

L932[07:08:30] <Saphire> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard >/etc >Host-specific system-wide configuration files

L933[07:08:50] <Sharidan> aah ok

L934[07:08:50]

<Mimiru> Fish high school

L935[07:08:54]

<Mimiru> :p

L936[07:08:55] <Sharidan> lol

L937[07:08:59] <Saphire> Or that :D

L938[07:09:53] <Sharidan> on cc everything's one huge mess and no real standard ways of doing things. here I'd like to try to follow intended standards when possible

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L940[07:12:44] <Sharidan> thank you for the link Saphire :)

L941[07:15:28] <Saphire> \o/

L942[07:15:48] <Saphire> CC is mess

L943[07:15:57] <Sharidan> true - heh

L944[07:16:16] <Saphire> if someone tries to follow *nix standards... they hit the /rom and other RO things

L945[07:17:37] <Mimiru> 95% of 16GB of ram...

L946[07:17:40] <Mimiru> and mosto f it is fucking chrome

L947[07:17:53] <Sharidan> ick!

L948[07:18:02] <MajGenRelativity> Install Google Ultron :P

L949[07:18:15] <Mimiru> MajGenRelativity, it's getting old man

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L951[07:18:41] <MajGenRelativity> Mimiru, alright, I'll save it for later

L952[07:18:42] <Lizzy> ^

L953[07:18:55] <Saphire> and even if they ignore the ROM, they hit the problem of other programs messing the standards

L954[07:19:07] <MajGenRelativity> Mimiru, do you have a laptop or desktop?

L955[07:19:11] <Saphire> and nobody uses CC without premade programs

L956[07:19:26] <Mimiru> MajGenRelativity, Neither

L957[07:19:36] <MajGenRelativity> All-in-one thingy?

L958[07:19:39] <MajGenRelativity> what is it?

L959[07:19:41] <Mimiru> I do everything on an original RasPi

L960[07:19:48] <MajGenRelativity> with 16 GB of RAM

L961[07:19:51] <Mimiru> Yep

L962[07:19:55] <MajGenRelativity> :\

L963[07:20:03] <MajGenRelativity> Pretty sure that wasn't the factory specification

L964[07:20:20] <Mimiru> I didn't say it was stock, I said it's an original

L965[07:20:29] <MajGenRelativity> Ah

L966[07:20:33] * Mimiru ** SysInfo ** Client: HexChat 2.10.2 (x64) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro ** CPU: AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor (4.00 GHz) ** RAM: 16333 MB Total (4150 MB Free) ** VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 ** Uptime: 225.66 Hours **

L967[07:20:39] <Mimiru> It also has a FX8350..

L968[07:20:44] <Mimiru> which was really hard to get working

L969[07:21:56] <Mimiru> It's a desktop..

L970[07:22:15] <Lizzy> No, you clearly said it was an original Raspberry Pi

L971[07:22:23] <Lizzy> :P

L972[07:22:25] <Mimiru> lol

L973[07:22:26] <MajGenRelativity> Why do you have all of this on a Raspberry Pi

L974[07:22:38] <Mimiru> Why not man?

L975[07:22:38] <MajGenRelativity> How does that not defeat the purpose of its existence

L976[07:22:40] <Lizzy> "Because why not"?

L977[07:22:59] <Sharidan> Saphire: so true ... they usually shout at me to load up their turtles with my scripts

L978[07:23:08] <Saphire> users?

L979[07:23:09] <MajGenRelativity> How does the motherboard have the expansion slots for all this stuff?

L980[07:23:11] <Saphire> Q_Q

L981[07:23:34] <Lizzy> MajGenRelativity, I2C hackery

L982[07:23:38] <Sharidan> Saphire: the bunch I usually play with yea. I think I've spoiled them with my scripts

L983[07:23:40] <Mimiru> Yep

L984[07:23:45] <MajGenRelativity> I2C?

L985[07:24:00] <Saphire> Sharidan: throw them to wol... forums

L986[07:24:21] <Mimiru> %g i2c

L987[07:24:22] <MichiBot> Mimiru: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%C2%B2C - I��C - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Alternatively I��C is spelled I2C (pronounced I-two-C) or IIC (pronounced I-I-C).

L988[07:25:13] <Sharidan> they are already requesting ports of my turtle scripts over to OC robots - heh

L989[07:25:46] <Saphire> yay \o/

L990[07:26:34] <Mimiru> https://mojang.com/2016/01/announcing-minecraft-education-edition/

L991[07:26:47] <Saphire> um

L992[07:27:02] <Sharidan> I wrote a rather movement efficient cuboid digging script for turtles. not sure how that will translate over to robots and their power spendage

L993[07:27:30] <Saphire> isn't there MCEdu or something like that?

L994[07:27:42] <Mimiru> Yes, read the article :P

L995[07:28:25] <Saphire> Oh. They brought it out?

L996[07:28:29] <Mimiru> Yep

L997[07:29:05] * Saphire is scared of MS

L998[07:29:39] <Saphire> they bought one the most popular games.. and then the education project based on it..

L999[07:29:40] <Sharidan> just show MS some cash and you've got full control Saphire ;)

L1000[07:34:31] <Turtle> Isn't MS just funding it with relatively minor manglement?

L1001[07:35:58] <Turtle> like, I get the feeling they're doing it for exclusivity

L1002[07:36:29] <Sharidan> MS is probably doing to Mojang, what they did to every other gaming company they previously "aquired"

L1003[07:36:46] <Mimiru> I should update OpenFM to 1.8.9.. and just jump OP to it as well

L1004[07:37:06] <Sharidan> what is OpenFM ?

L1005[07:37:20] <Mimiru> My streaming radio mod

L1006[07:37:28] <Sharidan> sweet! :D

L1007[07:37:29] <Mimiru> with OC control

L1008[07:37:39] <Sharidan> of course :)

L1009[07:38:49] <Mimiru> http://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/openfm the UI looks a BIT different these days though heh

L1010[07:41:48] <Sharidan> very nice!

L1011[07:42:35] <Sharidan> gawd - seems I'll be doing a major update of our pack again sometime soon(tm). add in a few more OC related mods :D

L1012[07:42:57] <Mimiru> Theres also OpenPrinter, which adds... a printer :P

L1013[07:43:23] <Sharidan> similar to the printer in cc? or something entirely different?

L1014[07:43:31] <Mimiru> That also scans, it has a shredder, and a (IMO) Neat File Folder that lets you put pages in it to view kinda like a book

L1015[07:43:49] <Mimiru> like CC's but better :P

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L1017[07:44:41] <Sharidan> of course it is :)

L1018[07:45:10] <Sharidan> I've (sadly!) only recently moved over to OC from CC, but from what I've seen so far, everything OC is light years ahead of CC

L1019[07:45:33] <Mimiru> http://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/openprinter

L1020[07:46:01] <Mimiru> I need to update the CF page with the new mod stuff.. but lazy dev mode engage

L1021[07:46:50] <Sharidan> both of these your mods?

L1022[07:46:55] <Mimiru> Yeah

L1023[07:46:59] <Sharidan> love the model for the printer

L1024[07:47:05] <MajGenRelativity> Sharidan, check out Open Security

L1025[07:47:08] <Sharidan> very nicely done :)

L1026[07:47:09] <MajGenRelativity> it has laser turrets

L1027[07:47:14] <Sharidan> link me :D

L1028[07:47:15] <MajGenRelativity> Also by Mimiru

L1029[07:47:16] <Sharidan> pls

L1030[07:47:24] <Mimiru> http://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/opensecurity

L1031[07:47:29] <MajGenRelativity> http://www.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/231687-opensecurity

L1032[07:47:44] <MajGenRelativity> snipe

L1033[07:47:49] <Mimiru> Theres also http://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/openlights but it doesn't support colored lighting ATM

L1034[07:48:32] <Mimiru> ColoredLightsCore broke for me a while back and I got fed up trying to support it so I yanked it

L1035[07:48:41] <Mimiru> so it just does block coloring and white light :P

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L1037[07:49:05] <Sharidan> oh I know someone who's gonna love those laser turrets :)

L1038[07:50:10] <Sharidan> well, I've bookmarked all of them and they'll go into our update pool next weekend :)

L1039[07:50:32] <Sharidan> I do have one "complaint" about OC tho ...

L1040[07:50:40] <Mimiru> They're brand new, so if you find issues please let me know, either on the OC forums, or github

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L1042[07:51:24] <Sharidan> absolutely - you need the feedback we can provide you with :)

L1043[07:51:54] <Sharidan> the "complaint" I have is that there are too many cool features in OC, so I keep getting sidetracked in random directions :P

L1044[07:52:01] <Mimiru> lmao

L1045[07:52:03] <Mimiru> https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/831-iso-files/ o_O

L1046[07:52:05] <Sharidan> :D

L1047[07:53:09] <Sharidan> uhm, somebody's not quite getting it in that thread me tinks

L1048[07:55:49] <Mimiru> anyway, gotta run, taking Naomi for breakfast, then work

L1049[07:55:49] <Sharidan> on the other hand, it seems I can get OC to do all the things that failed misserably with CC

L1050[07:56:00] <Sharidan> enjoy your breakfast :)

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L1052[07:57:59] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos

L1053[07:59:35] <_habnabit> http://i.imgur.com/qmppScy.png tracking chemical data using opencomputers and influxdb

L1054[08:00:49] <dangranos> \o/

L1055[08:01:08] <dangranos> ...wai what the data is taken from?

L1056[08:01:12] <dangranos> *where

L1057[08:01:15] <Vexatos> mekanism.

L1058[08:01:24] <_habnabit> http://i.imgur.com/XSqh8Y1.png fixed the axes labels (chronograf is weird)

L1059[08:01:44] <_habnabit> dangranos, pressure pipes tanks with data ports

L1060[08:01:53] <dangranos> what is going on with oxygen?

L1061[08:02:39] <_habnabit> there's a check valve between the water supply and the electrolytic separator (which produces oxygen) which opens only when oxygen gets below 99% full

L1062[08:03:09] <_habnabit> it fills quickly and shuts off, but the drain rate is more constant

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L1065[08:09:44] <SM2k> followed crafting recipe for inventory upgrade on wiki. it calls for 1 hopper, 1 piston, 1 dispenser, 1 chest, 1 tier 1 microchip and 4 planks. can't seem to make it work.

L1066[08:10:07] <Saphire> >using wiki for recipes

L1067[08:10:20] <Saphire> >not using in-game guide book

L1068[08:10:33] * SM2k hits self in face and hangs head

L1069[08:10:35] <Saphire> >not even trying to use NEI to look up recipe

L1070[08:10:57] <SM2k> I don't have any other mods loaded. running on 1.8.9 so NEI isn't ported forward yet afaik :)

L1071[08:10:58] <Saphire> (It's R when hovering over item, and usage is U)

L1072[08:11:07] <Saphire> ah

L1073[08:11:09] <Saphire> sowwy

L1074[08:11:21] <SM2k> but I have to have built one before to hover over it correct? :)

L1075[08:11:32] <Saphire> ...

L1076[08:11:41] <Saphire> there is list of items on the right :P

L1077[08:11:50] <Saphire> (and search bar on the bottom)

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L1079[08:16:51] <SM2k> thanks for you help @Saphire brb

L1080[08:17:14] <Saphire> \o/

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L1083[08:20:39] zsh sets mode: +v on Kodos

L1084[08:20:54] <Kodos> x.x

L1085[08:21:06] <MajGenRelativity> Hi Kodos

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L1088[08:22:48] <Lizzy> o/

L1089[08:22:53] <Lizzy> ohai spaces

L1090[08:23:13] <Kodos> Wiide Oopen Spaaaces

L1091[08:23:27] * vifino curls up on Lizzy

L1092[08:23:55]

<Cazzar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myEOJaNMQZo

L1093[08:23:57] <MichiBot> Corded: Spaaace | length: 11s | Likes: 688 Dislikes: 5 Views: 113025 | by emptyangel

L1094[08:30:02] <Kodos> Railcraft is about to go die in a fire in all my packs

L1095[08:30:23] <Lizzy> ?

L1096[08:30:44] <Kodos> I don't know how or why, but residual heat blocks keep reenabling themselves

L1097[08:30:50] <Kodos> And it's pissing me the fuck off

L1098[08:32:06] <Mimiru> #blamedan200

L1099[08:32:16] <Lizzy> ^

L1100[08:32:25] <Kodos> No, I'll blame CovertJaguar and his bullshit feature that no one fucking uses

L1101[08:32:44] <MajGenRelativity> residual heat blocks?

L1102[08:33:05] <Kodos> Yes

L1103[08:33:07] <MajGenRelativity> would you care to enlighten me on what those are, Kodos?

L1104[08:33:33] <Kodos> You can use trackman's goggles to 'track' where a player has been, with the residual heat blocks. They basically linger anywhere a player's stood for more than 2 ticks for 30 minutes

L1105[08:33:57] <MajGenRelativity> O_O

L1106[08:34:04] <MajGenRelativity> That sounds incredibly useful

L1107[08:34:15] <Kodos> But they're tile entities, so they break any kind of multiblock that isn't coded with block.isAir() instead of checking for ID 0

L1108[08:34:28] <MajGenRelativity> oh

L1109[08:34:42] * dangranos pokes asie

L1110[08:34:43] <MajGenRelativity> yeah that sounds annoying

L1111[08:34:47] * MajGenRelativity pokes dangranos

L1112[08:34:52]

<Cazzar> Better, block.isReplaceable()

L1113[08:34:57] <asie> dangranos: ?

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L1115[08:35:16] <dangranos> asie: where do i get this awesomeness?

L1116[08:35:23] <asie> LuPi?

L1117[08:35:26] <asie> i'm rewriting it right now

L1118[08:35:28] <dangranos> mhm

L1119[08:35:29] <asie> we have framebuffer blitting

L1120[08:35:31] <asie> full unifont support

L1121[08:35:36] <asie> and now i'm making it go FAST

L1122[08:35:54] <dangranos> well, i meant the OC compatability layer? or is it included?

L1123[08:36:10] <asie> included

L1124[08:36:16] <asie> LuPi is designed solely to emulate OC

L1125[08:36:17] <asie> as /sbin/init

L1126[08:36:42] <dangranos> :O

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L1129[09:08:57] * Michiyo quits job

L1130[09:09:27] * MajGenRelativity hires Michiyo

L1131[09:11:09] <Michiyo> No... noooo

L1132[09:12:07] <MajGenRelativity> I echo that with my server

L1133[09:12:10] * Lizzy hires Michiyo

L1134[09:12:10] <MajGenRelativity> It keeps crashing on me

L1135[09:12:23] * dangranos has no job

L1136[09:12:25] <dangranos> yet

L1137[09:12:35] <dangranos> yet = at least few more years

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L1139[09:14:54] * Michiyo Gladly accepts the position with Lizzy

L1140[09:15:27] <Michiyo> Hope I can telecommute :p

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L1142[09:24:39] * vifino yawns and flops on Lizzy

L1143[09:25:06] <dangranos> "open terminal failed: missing or unsuitable terminal: tmux-256color"

L1144[09:25:09] <dangranos> Q_Q

L1145[09:25:19] * dangranos flops next to vifino

L1146[09:25:38] * vifino stabs dangranos and pushes him away

L1147[09:25:50] <dangranos> :C

L1148[09:29:04] *** amadornes is now known as amadornes[AFK]

L1149[09:37:31] <Vexatos> https://beam.pro/asiekierka so cute

L1150[09:37:34] <Vexatos> that zipit

L1151[09:37:35] <Vexatos> ;_;

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L1155[09:46:14] * vifino returns with pepsi and coke, putting it next to Lizzy, curling up on her

L1156[09:48:52] * Lizzy pets vifino and sips pepsi#

L1157[09:49:42] * vifino purrs

L1158[09:51:23] <Skye> Someone stepped on my hand today.

L1159[09:51:58] <MajGenRelativity> ow

L1160[09:52:35] <vifino> Skye: Are they table dancers?

L1161[09:53:02] <Skye> No

L1162[09:53:11] <Skye> I fell onto the floor

L1163[09:53:16] <vifino> .-.

L1164[09:53:24] <Skye> And they stepped on my hand and didn't even say sorry

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L1166[09:54:03] <MajGenRelativity> that stinks

L1167[09:54:22] <MajGenRelativity> I was on my knees to get something from a printer behind a counter, and one of my co-workers nearly trampled me

L1168[09:54:37] <vifino> s/am/um/

L1169[09:54:38] <MichiBot> <MajGenRelativity> I was on my knees to get something from a printer behind a counter, and one of my co-workers nearly trumpled me

L1170[09:55:58] <Skye> Ouch

L1171[09:56:00] <MajGenRelativity> of course vifino

L1172[09:59:37] *** MajGenRelativity is now known as MGR|away

L1173[10:01:53] <Kodos> Welp, 4 hours later, and I give up

L1174[10:06:44] <DeanIsaKitty> Kodos: ?

L1175[10:07:13] <Kodos> I was trying to make my own rack mountable raids

L1176[10:12:17] <Kodos> It didn't end well

L1177[10:13:31] * Michiyo flips some more tables

L1178[10:13:36] <Michiyo> %flip tables

L1179[10:13:36] <MichiBot> Michiyo: (╯°□°）╯︵sǝlqɐʇ

L1180[10:14:08] * DeanIsaKitty walks behind Michiyo and returns the tables to the upright position

L1181[10:14:17] * Michiyo flips DeanIsaKitty

L1182[10:14:20] <Michiyo> %flip DeanIsaKitty

L1183[10:14:20] <MichiBot> Michiyo: (╯°□°）╯︵ʎʇʇı丬ɐsIuɐǝᗡ

L1184[10:14:48] <DeanIsaKitty> %flip ʎʇʇı丬ɐsIuɐǝᗡ

L1185[10:14:48] <MichiBot> DeanIsaKitty: (╯°□°）╯︵DeanIsaKitty

L1186[10:15:35] <Skye> Can I flip the universe?

L1187[10:16:12] <DeanIsaKitty> %flip the universe

L1188[10:16:12] <MichiBot> DeanIsaKitty: (╯°□°）╯︵ǝsɹǝʌıun ǝɥʇ

L1189[10:16:14] <DeanIsaKitty> Yep.

L1190[10:16:32] <Skye> :D

L1191[10:16:43] <MGR|away> %flip MajGenRelativity

L1192[10:16:45] <MichiBot> MGR|away: (╯°□°）╯︵ʎʇıʌıʇɐlǝᴚuǝפɾɐW

L1193[10:16:55] <DeanIsaKitty> MichiBot: Are you ok with me totally stealing the %flip idea?

L1194[10:17:00] <DeanIsaKitty> Michiyo: *

L1195[10:17:43] <dangranos> Shocky has flip too

L1196[10:19:17] * Michiyo shrugs

L1197[10:19:32] <Michiyo> MichiBot's flip chars were stolen from shocky too :P

L1198[10:21:20] <Michiyo> %flip ^

L1199[10:21:20] <MichiBot> Michiyo: (╯°□°）╯︵Ԁ: ooʇ ʎʞɔoɥs ɯoɹɟ uǝloʇs ǝɹǝʍ sɹɐɥɔ dılɟ s,ʇoℇıɥɔıW

L1200[10:22:18] <Kodos> %flip ^

L1201[10:22:18] <MichiBot> Kodos: (╯°□°）╯︵Ԁ: ooʇ ʎʞɔoɥs ɯoɹɟ uǝloʇs ǝɹǝʍ sɹɐɥɔ dılɟ s,ʇoℇıɥɔıW

L1202[10:22:29] <Kodos> Shouldn't it reflip the flip?

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L1204[10:27:00] <asie> yes

L1205[10:27:02] <asie> %flip ^

L1206[10:27:03] <MichiBot> asie: (╯°□°）╯︵sǝʎ

L1207[10:28:16] <Michiyo> No, cause the output of flip isn't stored in the message table

L1208[10:28:21] <Kodos> oh

L1209[10:28:27] <Michiyo> I mean it COULD be...

L1210[10:28:31] <Michiyo> but I don't do it..

L1211[10:29:15] <Kodos> Indeed

L1212[10:29:25] <Michiyo> But yeah, commands, and command output aren't put into the messages list, I HAD a reason for it when I did it

L1213[10:29:30] <Michiyo> I don't remember what it was..

L1214[10:29:44] <Kodos> #blameshuu

L1215[10:29:50] <Michiyo> lol, sounds good.

L1216[10:30:10] <Michiyo> No one has opened any issues about the new Turrets, so I'm gonna say they work pretty well

L1217[10:30:17] <Kodos> Neat

L1218[10:31:20] <Michiyo> Oh.. at the time it was a timed hashlist and it seemed kinda silly to bother putting them in it.

L1219[10:31:49] <Michiyo> cause stuff fell off within 5 minutes..

L1220[10:31:54] <Michiyo> now it's 150? entries

L1221[10:32:20] <MGR|away> Michiyo, putting the upgardes into the turrets is a bit wonky

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L1223[10:32:26] <Michiyo> Oh?

L1224[10:32:28] <Michiyo> Also customer AFK

L1225[10:32:38] <MGR> shift clicking them doesn't always work

L1226[10:32:43] <MGR> sometimes it freezes your inventory

L1227[10:35:01] <MGR> all you need to do to clear it is close your inventory and re-open

L1228[10:37:53] <Michiyo> I tested that quiet a bit and never had issues...

L1229[10:37:57] <Michiyo> I'll look into it though

L1230[10:38:45] * MGR shrugs

L1231[10:38:49] <MGR> could just be me

L1232[10:43:59] <Corded> * Pwootage complains about x86

L1233[10:44:02]

<Pwootage> In other news, good morning

L1234[10:44:20] <Kodos> o7

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L1236[10:44:57] <MGR> Hi Pwootage

L1237[10:47:31] <Michiyo> I really need a MC install at work..

L1238[10:47:56] <Michiyo> sadly my bench PC is a P4 with 1.5 GB of RAM, and Windows 7 sitting idle makes the CPU fan try to move the thing off the bench

L1239[10:49:15] <Michiyo> So, I don't think firing up MC would work.. lol

L1240[10:49:49] <g> Michiyo: someone plays our modpack of 160 mods on 2GB of RAM

L1241[10:49:53] <Inari> sounds like a terrible PC with a terrible fan :P

L1242[10:49:54] <Kodos> %weather 62012

L1243[10:49:56] <MichiBot> Kodos: Current weather for 62012 Current Temp: 18°F/-8°C Feels Like: 5°F/-15°C Current Humidity: 67 Wind: From the SE 12 Mph/19 Km/h Conditions: Partly Cloudy

L1244[10:49:59] <g> so I'm sure you could do an MC install with the basics

L1245[10:50:07] <MGR> g, I play my modpack of 140 mods on 2 GB of RAM too

L1246[10:50:21] <Michiyo> A single core 1.whatever P4 though?

L1247[10:50:34] <Michiyo> that sites at 60% CPU doing *nothing*?

L1248[10:50:37] <g> try it

L1249[10:50:37] <Michiyo> sits*

L1250[10:50:51] <Michiyo> I opened firefox today, and had to walk away

L1251[10:51:03] <MGR> XD

L1252[10:51:35] <Michiyo> anyway.. afk

L1253[10:51:41] <Michiyo> I have a bunch of not work to not do...

L1254[10:53:17] <Kodos> And I have more failing at coding a rack raid to do

L1255[10:54:00]

<Pwootage> It's always good to get some perspective... I was complaining about my work PC having too slow of an SSD and not enough ram (16gb), I guess it could be way worse

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L1257[10:58:47] <reinei> o/

L1258[10:58:59] <Kodos> Project Red alternatives for 1.7.10, go

L1259[10:59:21] <g> 1, project red

L1260[10:59:23] <g> 2, project red

L1261[10:59:25] <g> 3, project red

L1262[10:59:27] <reinei> 3, charset

L1263[10:59:32] <reinei> aww too slow

L1264[10:59:39] <Inari> opencomputers

L1265[11:00:29] <DeanIsaKitty> Depending on what you want, Immibis

L1266[11:00:44] <Kodos> https://gyazo.com/74d49b22fafa94efc6d2989befcdc0ce

L1267[11:00:47] <Kodos> Also, there's that

L1268[11:01:11] <Kodos> I basically need bundled redstone that works with OC, preferably with some way of having a control panel as compactly as possible

L1269[11:01:15] <Kodos> I'm currently using Project Blue

L1270[11:01:26] <Kodos> But P:R is a pain to update, and its ingots look fucking weird with SoS

L1271[11:01:57] <Vexatos> Kodos, redlogic

L1272[11:01:58] <Vexatos> redlogic

L1273[11:01:59] <Vexatos> redlogic

L1274[11:02:09] <Vexatos> my three suggestions

L1275[11:02:10] <Michiyo> P:R really needs a AIO jar.. lol

L1276[11:02:15] <Kodos> Does it have any sort of control panels

L1277[11:02:21] <Vexatos> Michiyo, would kill their business model

L1278[11:02:32] <Vexatos> 6 adf.ly links, 6 projects on curse to gain points from

L1279[11:02:39] <Michiyo> int num_fucks_given = 0;

L1280[11:02:45] <Kodos> http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/greg.ewing/minecraft/mods/ProjectBlue/doc/ControlPanel.html

L1281[11:02:51] <Kodos> I need this, basically

L1282[11:03:40] <reinei> I could bet no other mod has that kind of functionality

L1283[11:03:51] <Vexatos> TIS-3D does

L1284[11:04:02] <reinei> actually, true yeah

L1285[11:04:14] <Kodos> Oh?

L1286[11:04:18] <Kodos> How? Got code handy?

L1287[11:04:26] <reinei> but its 'just' a numpad

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L1289[11:04:46] <reinei> then again, doesn't the redstone module support charset '+' wires?

L1290[11:05:00] <reinei> (did asie even put in bundled cables yet? O.o)

L1291[11:05:34] <Kodos> Honestly, I may just deal with P:R for teh time being. It adds too much that I rely on

L1292[11:05:54] <asie> reinei: Yes

L1293[11:06:00] <Vexatos> one module to turn decimal into hex numbers

L1294[11:06:08] <Vexatos> one module or two to set bundled redstone signals

L1295[11:06:14] <Vexatos> I did that on BTM

L1296[11:06:15]

<Pwootage> I really need to try out charset wires... hm

L1297[11:06:21] <Vexatos> to flip colours on a colorful lamp

L1298[11:06:27] <Vexatos> flip bits of the colour*

L1299[11:06:55] <Vexatos> So I guarantee it is possible :P

L1300[11:07:53] <Kodos> Well

L1301[11:07:55] <Kodos> I'm bad at MOV

L1302[11:08:04] <Kodos> So unless someone wants to make a control panel setup for me

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L1304[11:08:18] * reinei MOV Kodos, ACC

L1305[11:08:26] * reinei ADD 0xFF

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L1307[11:15:36] <Kodos> https://gyazo.com/32b97ad9cdb0fc4e1733387fec62710a This is why I Project:Red

L1308[11:15:51] <Kodos> That's pretty much the only reason

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L1311[11:23:54] <Michiyo> someone should come buy like $10,000 in stuff from me today

L1312[11:24:00] <Michiyo> that'd be great

L1313[11:30:10] <Kodos> If I had money, I'd come buy all the toggle switches and other shit I need for my cockpit

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L1315[11:48:46] <Inari> if i had money, i'd order from amazon

L1316[11:49:20] <Michiyo> But buying from amazon doesn't help me q_q

L1317[11:49:35] <Inari> but your store probably has no website, or it sucks

L1318[11:49:42] <vifino> If I had money, I would pack my things and get a plane ticket.

L1319[11:49:43] <Michiyo> ...

L1320[11:51:33] <Inari> vifino: psh, if you had money you'd use a private jet

L1321[11:52:08] <vifino> nah, I wouldn't waste money for that.

L1322[11:52:26] <Inari> but for a plane ticket? :P

L1323[11:53:10] <vifino> Well, duh, how else would I get to Lizzy?

L1324[11:53:32] <Inari> train, boat, car

L1325[11:53:49] <vifino> Not fast enough

L1326[11:54:09] <Inari> DHL express shipping?

L1327[11:54:32] <vifino> Not enough shut up Inari.

L1328[11:54:37] <Inari> lol

L1329[11:56:58] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Do you know what DHL express shipping is? Exactly. A plane ticket for your cargo.

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L1331[11:57:15] <Skye> The UK train network is both horrifying and amazing

L1332[11:57:44] <Skye> The Eurostar is the on the fastest line

L1333[11:58:41] <Lizzy> Inari, we've discussed this, mailing yourself via a postal services wouldn't work

L1334[12:06:22] <Kodos> Anything new in TIS3D since RAM Module

L1335[12:11:24] <Vexatos> SD module

L1336[12:11:27] <Vexatos> obviously

L1337[12:11:54] <Kodos> I meant int he base mod, I saw that it updated yesterday

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L1339[12:25:57] <Magik6k> ~w internet component

L1340[12:25:57] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:internet

L1341[12:28:36] <Inari> Lizzy: we did?

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L1347[12:37:43] <Inari> "My favourite part of the bible is when god gives everyone free will and then drowns everyone for not acting the way he wanted"

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L1350[12:39:23] <DeanIsaKitty> God gave free will? From how I read it free will was an unwanted side effect of creating in God's own likeness.

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L1352[12:42:31] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/FGh4Sp4 thats creepy

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L1354[12:47:07] <Izaya> Inari, that's terrifying

L1355[12:47:22] <Inari> :P

L1356[12:47:35] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndsaoMFz9J4 with sound

L1357[12:47:36] <MichiBot> Inari: MEOW | length: 56s | Likes: 520188 Dislikes: 4856 Views: 13106680 | by Markiplier

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L1359[12:56:00] <DeanIsaKitty> I just realized that this cat http://imgur.com/gallery/8ZsXWZG signs a mixture of "more" and "fill" in ASL. (Well, as good as a cat can do that at least) *~* Cuteness overload

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L1361[12:56:25] <sugoi> Vexatos: hi

L1362[12:58:34] <Vexatos> hi

L1363[12:59:07] <sugoi> say we have some core library, x (such as text, term, filesystem, etc)

L1364[12:59:17] <sugoi> and i find i can save a lot of memory cost with some hackery

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L1366[13:01:50] <Inari> DeanIsaKitty: how does "more" and "fill" relate to ASL and why do you ask a cat it?

L1367[13:01:58] <sugoi> sorry, mtg, talk later

L1368[13:02:16] <Inari> mtg?

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L1370[13:02:52] <asie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI_A1iNITsI

L1371[13:02:54] <MichiBot> asie: OpenComputers: Now in your pocket! (WIP) | length: 27s | Likes: 1 Dislikes: 0 Views: 4 | by asciicharismatic

L1372[13:02:54] <asie> Sangar: ^

L1373[13:02:55] <vifino> Inari: ASL = American sign langage.

L1374[13:02:57] <asie> this so much

L1375[13:03:12] <vifino> asie: I want all your pipits.

L1376[13:03:21] <vifino> All of them pipits.

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L1378[13:05:52] <Inari> "lf a World War 3 happens, it would get really awkward online as we are able to talk with our enemies" heh

L1379[13:06:01] <Aedda> That is awesome

L1380[13:06:52] <asie> Vexatos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI_A1iNITsI

L1381[13:06:52] <MichiBot> asie: OpenComputers: Now in your pocket! (WIP) | length: 27s | Likes: 2 Dislikes: 0 Views: 16 | by asciicharismatic

L1382[13:07:31] <Aedda> "Hey are you who just tried to bomb me?" "Maybe" "Well you missed." "Meh, wanna play CoD?" "Yeah sure."

L1383[13:08:00] <Vexatos> Cruor ^

L1384[13:08:44] <MajGenRelativity> if World War 3 happened, nukes

L1385[13:09:43] <Magik6k> Vexatos, + that https://youtu.be/rks9KR2HVYM

L1386[13:09:57] <Vexatos> wee

L1387[13:09:58] <Magik6k> [that ram amount]

L1388[13:10:14] <asie> Sangar: ^ that too

L1389[13:10:18] * Inari notes to not open yT links for the next few days

L1390[13:10:19] <Vexatos> Magik6k, just say "way too much RAM"

L1391[13:10:44] <asie> Inari: why?

L1392[13:11:03] <Inari> cause all of them now seem to be running lua on <thingy> and im not very interested xD

L1393[13:11:08] <asie> it's not just lua

L1394[13:11:13] <asie> it's lua with OC's API, coded to run as /sbin/init

L1395[13:11:35] <asie> and a custom framebuffer renderer

L1396[13:11:40] <Inari> yeah, i just dont see any use :P

L1397[13:11:43] <asie> SOON(tm)

L1398[13:11:49] <Inari> if i wanna use OC i'll use an emu or MC

L1399[13:12:04] <asie> this is an emu

L1400[13:12:07] <Izaya> it's all just lua

L1401[13:12:12] <asie> (it can also run in a terminal, and i might make an SDL backend later)

L1402[13:12:31] <asie> it also happens this emu is coded entirely in C and will probably be more compatible soon

L1403[13:12:32] <Inari> asie: yeah but we had emus for a while

L1404[13:12:39] <asie> yeah but this one's better

L1405[13:12:42] <asie> \o/

L1406[13:12:49] <Inari> sure, then run it on windows and i'll have a use

L1407[13:12:55] <asie> oh

L1408[13:12:57] <asie> not gonna happen

L1409[13:13:02] <asie> this thing depends on linux apis in half the code

L1410[13:13:06] <Kubuxu> Inari: Magik will be making his amplifier include RPi with that.

L1411[13:13:16] <Inari> i just dont get the point of booting it on a device with a weird keyboard thats nobody gonna use xD

L1412[13:13:27] <asie> Inari: the second video is a Raspberry Pi

L1413[13:14:03] <Inari> well my point kind of is, if i wanna use OC, i'll do so on a proper PC

L1414[13:14:31] <Magik6k> Inari, the point is to port OC to IoT

L1415[13:14:32] <Kubuxu> You will use it on something that can interface with real world, 99% of PCs can't.

L1416[13:15:00] <Inari> Kubuxu: sure but the pi already does that

L1417[13:15:22] <Kubuxu> Yes but only real simple programming interface is python.

L1418[13:15:22] <Inari> not that i can think of any use for a pi in general either

L1419[13:15:23] <Inari> so xD

L1420[13:15:52] <Inari> hm i thought you could use machine-code for a pi, interesting

L1421[13:16:07] <Kubuxu> Only that I know of.

L1422[13:16:13] <vifino> asie: luajit support when

L1423[13:16:15] * vifino runs

L1424[13:16:20] <asie> vifino: no

L1425[13:16:24] <Inari> i guess i'd see more use if i saw more use for IoT

L1426[13:16:25] * asie catches vifino and throws him into the nearest pit

L1427[13:16:31] <Kubuxu> vifino: luajit hasn't ported from 5.1

L1428[13:16:38] <asie> luajit is in some weird mid-5.1/5.2 state

L1429[13:16:43] <asie> and it's not interested in porting to 5.3

L1430[13:17:18] <Inari> once IoT chips are reasonably good, very small (about the size of an SD card maybe), have good battery life, and cost like $1 there would be many uses

L1431[13:17:26] <vifino> asie: https://github.com/katlogic/ljx

L1432[13:17:37] <asie> vifino: we rely on 5.3 for a lot of stuff

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L1434[13:18:01] <g> <Kubuxu> Yes but only real simple programming interface is python.

L1435[13:18:01] <g> <Inari> hm i thought you could use machine-code for a pi, interesting

L1436[13:18:05] <g> with an SD, you can install linux

L1437[13:18:07] <g> it's a computer..

L1438[13:18:18] <Inari> :p

L1439[13:18:45] <vifino> asie: does plan9k automatically yield and stuff?

L1440[13:18:49] <asie> vifino: ask Magik

L1441[13:18:59] <vifino> Magik6k: does plan9k automatically yield and stuff?

L1442[13:19:06] <Turtle> Wait, buildcraft updated the RF api for itself?

L1443[13:19:16] <asie> Turtle: Used Vanhal's version

L1444[13:19:20] <asie> which is the mostly-agreed-upon port

L1445[13:19:21] <Magik6k> vifino, for most things yes

L1446[13:19:23] <Turtle> aaah.

L1447[13:19:24] <asie> from Progressive Automation

L1448[13:19:45] <vifino> Magik6k: It doesn't make use of the debug library though, right?

L1449[13:19:57] <vifino> not sure if it s a thing in oc even

L1450[13:20:04] <Magik6k> nope, it yields from it's syscalls

L1451[13:20:22] <vifino> ah, interesting.

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L1454[13:24:05] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: What vifno said, and I couldn't possibly imagining a cat asking for more or to fill a certain bowl at all. :P

L1455[13:25:12] <Inari> eh

L1456[13:25:16] <Inari> it would proabbly be able to ask for "more"

L1457[13:25:21] <Inari> if you teach it thats how it gets more food

L1458[13:25:29] <Inari> it wouldnt really understand much other than doing that gives food though

L1459[13:27:48] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Cats can learn human language just like every other higher mammal. They just don't have the vocal cords to speak. So they meow.

L1460[13:28:16] <Inari> again, i doubt they actually learn any language, they just connect certain tones or such to things

L1461[13:28:36] <DeanIsaKitty> That would be the definition of learning :P

L1462[13:28:52] <Inari> not if they dont really understand the actaul meaning and such

L1463[13:29:18] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: You just connect an idea "meaning" to a sound/graphic. Its not that much more complex

L1464[13:29:25] <Inari> theres a diference between picking up random tidbits and learning xD thats why chatbots suck despite having huge databases to draw from

L1465[13:30:56] <Inari> maybe its jsut the scael im complaining about

L1466[13:31:12] <Inari> i.e. i know random words and meanings in italian, japanese, latin, etc, but iw ouldtn claim to have learned any of those langauges

L1467[13:31:24] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Yes, but there is no difference between connection things/ideas/principles to other thing/ideas/principles and learning

L1468[13:31:51] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: If you would know enough of them and some concepts (grammar that is) then you would have learned the whole language

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L1470[13:32:07] <DeanIsaKitty> Because humans basically all work the same so does language

L1471[13:32:13] <IzayaMC> EiraIRC is great.

L1472[13:32:36] <Inari> i've found a second monitor to be better

L1473[13:33:06] <g> EiraIRC is so friggin' broken

L1474[13:33:25] <g> last time I used it at least

L1475[13:33:30] <DeanIsaKitty> s/EiraIRC/Minecraft/g

L1476[13:33:30] <MichiBot> <g> Minecraft is so friggin' broken

L1477[13:33:35] <DeanIsaKitty> ftfy

L1478[13:33:47] <g> can't really blame minecraft for EiraIRC relaying things only 50% of the time

L1479[13:33:50] <g> forge's hooks work fine

L1480[13:34:02] <g> or for EiraIRC eating messages starting with certain characters

L1481[13:34:04] <g> :P

L1482[13:34:06] <DeanIsaKitty> g: I blame Minecraft for *everything* in Minecraft

L1483[13:34:07] <IzayaMC> EiraIRC means I don't have to tab out, it's pretty nice IMO

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L1486[13:48:30] <sugoi> vex[tab][tab]

L1487[13:48:33] <sugoi> DANGIT

L1488[13:48:38] * sugoi cries

L1489[13:48:40] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/he2gcHN well i havents een that one before

L1490[13:48:46] * DeanIsaKitty hugs sugoi

L1491[13:48:48] <DeanIsaKitty> Poor sugoi

L1492[13:49:29] <sugoi> Inari: mtg==meeting

L1493[13:49:38] * sugoi is at work

L1494[13:49:41] <Inari> not magic the gathering?

L1495[13:50:07] <sugoi> heh, nope

L1496[13:50:12] <DeanIsaKitty> Moar than gaming?

L1497[13:50:21] * sugoi wonders if employees at wizards of the coast have mtg mtgs

L1498[13:50:54] <sugoi> ok so the question i had for vex

L1499[13:51:00] <sugoi> and please, everyone with an opinion, answer

L1500[13:51:06] <sugoi> say we have some core library (openos)

L1501[13:51:10] <DeanIsaKitty> sugoi: The answer is no

L1502[13:51:15] <DeanIsaKitty> there, opinion

L1503[13:51:19] <sugoi> like, filesystem, process, DeanIsaKitty, event, etc

L1504[13:51:19] <DeanIsaKitty> whats the question again?

L1505[13:51:34] <DeanIsaKitty> I'm a core library \o/

L1506[13:51:49] <sugoi> and you can query that library like for k,v in pairs(core_lib) do print(k) end

L1507[13:51:54] <sugoi> now...

L1508[13:52:07] <DeanIsaKitty> sugoi: <.< What does it return for me >.

L1509[13:52:08] <DeanIsaKitty> >

L1510[13:52:21] <sugoi> what if i were to tell you that: 1. next(core_lib) WILL NOT produce a complete set of keys, you must use pairs for that

L1511[13:52:34] <sugoi> and 2. the value given by pairs() may be different every time

L1512[13:52:42] <sugoi> usable, but possible different

L1513[13:53:26] <sugoi> #lua DeanIsaKitty={}

L1514[13:53:27] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1515[13:53:31] <DeanIsaKitty> :(

L1516[13:53:45] <Izaya> #lua DeanIsaKitty

L1517[13:53:46] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > table: 0x7f7fc41a7ca0

L1518[13:53:57] <sugoi> #lua DeanIsaKitty.status=function()return "running like a boss"end

L1519[13:53:57] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1520[13:54:04] <sugoi> #lua DeanIsaKitty.status()

L1521[13:54:04] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > running like a boss

L1522[13:54:08] <DeanIsaKitty> :3

L1523[13:54:17] <vifino> #lua DeanIsaKitty=math.huge

L1524[13:54:17] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1525[13:54:21] * vifino runs

L1526[13:54:25] <sugoi> haha

L1527[13:54:40] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino: Are you trying to tell me I'm fat. If so, fuck off <.>

L1528[13:54:54] * vifino pets DeanIsaKitty

L1529[13:55:00] <vifino> It was the amount of pets I give.

L1530[13:55:02] * DeanIsaKitty scratches vifino's hand

L1531[13:55:13] <vifino> ow :<

L1532[13:55:14] <DeanIsaKitty> #lua DeanIsaKitty=0

L1533[13:55:15] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1534[13:55:21] <DeanIsaKitty> thats the amount of fucks I give

L1535[13:55:26] <vifino> Damn.

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L1537[13:55:47] <DeanIsaKitty> #lua DeanIsaKitty.fucksgiven=0

L1538[13:55:47] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to index a number value (global 'DeanIsaKitty')

L1539[13:55:52] <DeanIsaKitty> damn

L1540[13:56:05] <DeanIsaKitty> #lua DeanIsaKitty={} DeanIsaKitty.fucksgiven=0

L1541[13:56:05] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1542[13:56:11] <vifino> #lua DeanIsaKitty={fucksgiven=0}

L1543[13:56:11] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1544[13:56:33] <sugoi> but any thoughts?

L1545[13:56:52] <vifino> on DeanIsaKitty? yes.

L1546[13:57:06] <vifino> Great library. 10/10 would recommend.

L1547[13:57:06] <Skye> # lua return DeanIsaKitty.fucksgiven

L1548[13:57:06] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0

L1549[13:57:13] <DeanIsaKitty> sugoi: Then you had a pretty screwed core library. What is your actual question?

L1550[13:57:39] <sugoi> is that acceptable

L1551[13:57:44] <sugoi> would a user really even care

L1552[13:58:15] <sugoi> do people actually use next() for querying a library and not a custom table?

L1553[13:58:24] <sugoi> lua doesn't give me a metatable intercept for next, only pairs

L1554[13:58:26] <DeanIsaKitty> sugoi, if you provide some abstractions for the general usecase then yes

L1555[13:59:04] <sugoi> and the values returned are not always the same, but that should matter

L1556[13:59:06] <sugoi> what i mean is

L1557[13:59:21] <sugoi> the function pointers may be different function pointers

L1558[13:59:48] <sugoi> they may be temporary wrappers

L1559[13:59:53] <DeanIsaKitty> sugoi: Again, if you have a stable api for a general usecase and advertise it as such nobody will care

L1560[14:00:21] <sugoi> so i'm trying to reduce openos boot ram cost

L1561[14:00:49] <sugoi> and i'm finding i can cut the cost of any library function

L1562[14:00:51] *** surferconor425|Away is now known as surferconor425

L1563[14:00:54] <sugoi> and essentially make it delay load

L1564[14:01:10] <sugoi> problem: i can't reduce that cost to <400 bytes PER FUNCTIN

L1565[14:01:13] <sugoi> function*

L1566[14:01:16] <sugoi> which really adds up

L1567[14:01:28] <sugoi> also -- that cost adds on top of the real function

L1568[14:01:43] <sugoi> so if everything loads, i've signficantly increased the total ram cost

L1569[14:01:53] <sugoi> but, if it is okay to jack pairs and such

L1570[14:01:57] <IzayaMC> So while it boots with less memory it uses more in the long run?

L1571[14:01:58] <sugoi> i could reduce this cost a LOT more

L1572[14:02:18] <sugoi> IzayaMC: yes, which i predicted and am okay with...but not when the per-lazy cost is 400 bytes

L1573[14:02:21] <Ivoah> #lua for i, v in _G do print(i, v) end

L1574[14:02:21] <sugoi> that adds up very fast

L1575[14:02:22] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to call a table value

L1576[14:02:42] <sugoi> #lua for i, v in pairs(_G) do print(i, v) end

L1577[14:02:42] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Output: http://hastebin.com/raw/supefedeti

L1578[14:02:51] <Ivoah> ah yeah

L1579[14:03:06] <Skye> IzayaMC, did you know that OpenOS cannot unload libraries

L1580[14:03:14] <sugoi> Skye: ?

L1581[14:03:20] <sugoi> sure it can

L1582[14:03:20] <Skye> hm?

L1583[14:03:25] <Skye> well

L1584[14:03:41] <sugoi> it cannot unload libraries that have critical local state, such as filesystem

L1585[14:03:44] <Skye> then there's the problem that the next program that uses them causes them to be reloaded, right?

L1586[14:04:02] <sugoi> yes, that's possible

L1587[14:04:03] <Izaya> I have a script that can crash the FS library and take the OS with it

L1588[14:04:09] <sugoi> :)

L1589[14:04:21] * Lizzy sighs deeply and flops on vifino

L1590[14:04:30] <sugoi> filesystem, process, package <- some libs that will be unhappy if unloaded

L1591[14:05:13] <sugoi> anyways, i have a lot of really great ideas to drop memory costs

L1592[14:05:28] <sugoi> but they have side affects that could affect the knit picky

L1593[14:05:35] <sugoi> is that nit or knit?

L1594[14:05:56] <Skye> nit

L1595[14:06:05] <Inari> #lua for k, v in pairs(DeanIsaKitty) do print(tostring(k), tostring(v)) end

L1596[14:06:09] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > fucksgiven 0 | nil

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L1598[14:06:13] <Inari> :p

L1599[14:06:16] <sugoi> :)

L1600[14:06:17] * vifino pets Lizzy

L1601[14:06:36] <Inari> #lua for k, v in pairs(t) do print(tostring(k), tostring(v)) end

L1602[14:06:36] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 1 a | 2 b | nil

L1603[14:06:44] <asie> MineOS native! http://img.asie.pl/6p28

L1604[14:06:47] <asie> dangranos: ^

L1605[14:07:04] <Michiyo> man.. today just needs to be over.

L1606[14:07:19] <Skye> asie, that's a bit underpowered for a ThinkPad

L1607[14:08:03] <Ivoah> does the #lua thing ever get reset?

L1608[14:08:24] <Michiyo> Ivoah yes, when someone resets it

L1609[14:08:24] <asie> #lua?

L1610[14:08:31] <sugoi> #lua ?

L1611[14:08:31] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: unexpected symbol near '?'

L1612[14:08:57] <sugoi> #lua coroutine.yield()

L1613[14:08:57] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1614[14:09:21] <sugoi> #lua _G={}

L1615[14:09:21] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1616[14:09:27] * sugoi hdies

L1617[14:09:29] <sugoi> HIDES*

L1618[14:09:34] * sugoi dies

L1619[14:09:40] <g> asie: woah, it's not half in russian o.o

L1620[14:09:52] <Skye> #lua print(_ENV)

L1621[14:09:52] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > table: 0x7f7fc41639c0 | nil

L1622[14:10:06] <Skye> #lua print(_G)

L1623[14:10:06] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > table: 0x7f7fc4174dc0 | nil

L1624[14:10:34] <Skye> #lua OLD_G = ENV._G

L1625[14:10:34] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to index a nil value (global 'ENV')

L1626[14:10:42] <Skye> #lua OLD_G = _ENV._G

L1627[14:10:42] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1628[14:11:04] <Skye> #lua _ENV._G = nil

L1629[14:11:04] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1630[14:11:09] <Skye> #lua _G

L1631[14:11:09] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1632[14:11:22] <Skye> #lua _G = OLD_G

L1633[14:11:22] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1634[14:11:27] <Skye> #lua _G

L1635[14:11:27] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > table: 0x7f7fc4174dc0

L1636[14:11:40] <Skye> #lua _ENV._G

L1637[14:11:40] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > table: 0x7f7fc4174dc0

L1638[14:11:47] <Lizzy> ....#

L1639[14:11:49] <Ivoah> #lua for i, v in pairs(_G) do print(i, v) end

L1640[14:11:49] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1641[14:11:53] <gamax92> skye

L1642[14:11:54] <gamax92> staph

L1643[14:11:56] <gamax92> go in pm

L1644[14:12:41] <Skye> sorry

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L1646[14:22:37] <vifino> #resetlua

L1647[14:22:38] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Sandbox Reset!

L1648[14:22:41] <vifino> "oops".

L1649[14:22:52] <gamax92> vifino: I had someone tell me oops today

L1650[14:22:55] <gamax92> I drowned

L1651[14:23:05] <vifino> ben drowned.

L1652[14:23:13] <gamax92> My name isn't ben

L1653[14:23:30] <vifino> then you didn't drown

L1654[14:23:40] <gamax92> how do you know

L1655[14:23:47] <vifino> you aren't ben

L1656[14:23:51] <gamax92> and?

L1657[14:23:59] <vifino> ben drowned.

L1658[14:24:02] <gamax92> and?

L1659[14:24:07] <vifino> you didn't

L1660[14:24:12] <gamax92> I did

L1661[14:24:19] <vifino> nope, you aren't ben

L1662[14:24:27] <IzayaMC> Soon: Gamax Drowned

L1663[14:24:37] <gamax92> vifino: and?

L1664[14:24:51] <vifino> gamax92: ben drowned

L1665[14:24:54] <gamax92> and?

L1666[14:24:58] <vifino> you aren't ben

L1667[14:25:00] <gamax92> and?

L1668[14:25:08] <vifino> and you are still asking questions

L1669[14:25:16] <gamax92> Yes because I don't see your point

L1670[14:25:17] <vifino> even though ben has drowned

L1671[14:25:22] <vifino> poor ben

L1672[14:25:26] <gamax92> cool, sucks to be ben

L1673[14:26:37] <vifino> big ben drowned too, happens every night

L1674[14:26:53] <Skye> wat

L1675[14:27:10] <Lizzy> can confirm, vifino is drunk

L1676[14:27:32] <vifino> lies, Lizzy only wishes that so she can...

L1677[14:27:34] <vifino> nevermind.

L1678[14:28:39] <gamax92> so she can abuse your body without you remembering a thing

L1679[14:28:57] <Lizzy> ^

L1680[14:29:02] * Lizzy hides

L1681[14:29:56] <DeanIsaKitty> Do me a favour and at least use protection. The last thing we need is a small lizzy/vifno hybrid running around here.

L1682[14:30:15] <IzayaMC> Small children are evil enough without that factor

L1683[14:30:19] <Lizzy> DeanIsaKitty, but wouldn't that be awesome and cute?

L1684[14:30:25] <Inari> no

L1685[14:30:26] <DeanIsaKitty> IzayaMC: objection

L1686[14:30:28] <Skye> DeanIsaKitty, DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS

L1687[14:30:30] <Inari> children are ugly and terrible

L1688[14:30:50] <Lizzy> I mean, it's going to be mine and vifino's, it's going to be sarcastic shortly after it can talk

L1689[14:30:55] <DeanIsaKitty> Lizzy: A tad, but I don't want to play mama for a little goddess while you are out doing whatever it is you do all day <.>

L1690[14:31:24] <vifino> me

L1691[14:31:37] <DeanIsaKitty> Except for that

L1692[14:31:44] <vifino> more me

L1693[14:31:56] <DeanIsaKitty> Although I have to look after your little poopmachine even then.

L1694[14:32:38] <Skye> I doubt #oc can be trusted to create robots to take care of anything

L1695[14:33:13] <DeanIsaKitty> Skye: That's why you don't let CompanionCube near your children.

L1696[14:33:34] <Skye> to be honest

L1697[14:33:56] <Skye> I'd prefer companioncube to... IzayaMC's drone swarm

L1698[14:34:20] <IzayaMC> Drone swarms are not meant for such things

L1699[14:34:25] <IzayaMC> or are we speaking about in general?

L1700[14:34:33] <DeanIsaKitty> Skye. DO. NOT. I REPEAT. DO NOT LET IZAYA NEAR YOUR CHILDREN FFS

L1701[14:34:46] <Lizzy> DeanIsaKitty, but it would poop rainbows and other fun stuff

L1702[14:35:02] <IzayaMC> Thanks for the vote of confidence. You're probably right but \o/

L1703[14:35:28] * Lizzy hmms

L1704[14:35:40] <DeanIsaKitty> Lizzy: Its only fun if you don't have to clean it. Do you have any idea how fucking hard it is to get rainbow stains from a table??

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L1706[14:36:20] <DeanIsaKitty> IzayaMC: At best you would just put them on the ground a la 'Nope, not dealing with this little shit right here'. At worst... "TOUCHDOWN!"

L1707[14:37:20] <Lizzy> DeanIsaKitty, kinda?

L1708[14:37:28] <IzayaMC> I hadn't considered that last one.

L1709[14:37:33] <Lizzy> uhoh

L1710[14:37:42] <DeanIsaKitty> Lizzy: I raised an unicorn. Its hard af. Just don't. <.>

L1711[14:37:51] <Lizzy> okay

L1712[14:38:08] * Lizzy scratches that out on her gene manipulation ideas pad

L1713[14:38:45] * vifino throws peanut butter at DeanIsaKitty

L1714[14:38:57] * DeanIsaKitty catches and throws tuna at vifino

L1715[14:39:06] <vifino> :O

L1716[14:39:08] <vifino> *.*

L1717[14:39:11] * vifino noms

L1718[14:40:17] <Inari> peanut butter cherry time

L1719[14:44:09] <vifino> Inari: jelly, not cherry.

L1720[14:44:11] <vifino> get it right.

L1721[14:44:28] <Inari> nah

L1722[14:44:36] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: PB Cherry time \o/

L1723[14:44:46] <DeanIsaKitty> I'ma gonna always say that from now on :3

L1724[14:44:52] <Inari> lol

L1725[14:44:53] <sugoi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4

L1726[14:44:56] <MichiBot> sugoi: It's Peanut Butter Jelly Time!!! | length: 1m 46s | Likes: 76710 Dislikes: 6093 Views: 25989432 | by mycreed

L1727[14:45:07] <sugoi> look.at.that.view.count

L1728[14:45:40] <Skye> wait... Lizzy has a gene manipulation ideas pad? should I run?

L1729[14:45:41] <DeanIsaKitty> Also, apparently cloudberries are a thing :D

L1730[14:45:59] <DeanIsaKitty> Skye: Nah, I still need you she won't use you... for now.

L1731[14:50:47] <Michiyo> ugh... dis chick.. I don't wanna say she's as dumb as a box of rocks... cause that's mean to rocks

L1732[14:50:55] <Michiyo> but.. I just can't think of anything more fitting

L1733[14:51:16] <sugoi> #lua Michiyo+context

L1734[14:51:16] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value (global 'Michiyo')

L1735[14:51:52] <DeanIsaKitty> #lua Michiyo="god"

L1736[14:51:52] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1737[14:52:07] <Michiyo> She works at sears next door, they're owned by the same guy... and she keeps coming over here bugging the hell outa me..

L1738[14:52:09] <Izaya> muahahahaha

L1739[14:52:09] <DeanIsaKitty> #lua context=" does not exist"

L1740[14:52:10] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1741[14:52:12] <Izaya> it works

L1742[14:52:12] <Izaya> :D

L1743[14:52:14] <DeanIsaKitty> sugoi: now

L1744[14:52:19] <Michiyo> #lua Michiyo="goddes"

L1745[14:52:19] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1746[14:52:22] <Michiyo> ahem.

L1747[14:52:30] <Michiyo> :P

L1748[14:52:31] <sugoi> #lua Michiyo= Michiyo .."s"

L1749[14:52:31] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1750[14:52:32] <vifino> #lua Michiyo="goddess"

L1751[14:52:32] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1752[14:52:35] <Lizzy> you can't even spell it right you tit

L1753[14:52:38] <Michiyo> right... 2ss

L1754[14:52:45] <DeanIsaKitty> #lua Michiyo+context

L1755[14:52:45] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value (global 'Michiyo')

L1756[14:52:50] <Michiyo> lal

L1757[14:52:53] <sugoi> this isn't js

L1758[14:52:53] <vifino> #lua Michiyo..context

L1759[14:52:54] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > goddess does not exist

L1760[14:53:02] <DeanIsaKitty> See, that does not work

L1761[14:53:05] <Michiyo> lol

L1762[14:53:14] <DeanIsaKitty> sugoi: wat

L1763[14:53:21] <sugoi> #js

L1764[14:53:21] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > null

L1765[14:53:24] <Michiyo> Lua is totally JS.

L1766[14:53:32] <sugoi> #js "a"+"b"

L1767[14:53:32] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "ab"

L1768[14:53:35] <Michiyo> michibot has a very basic shitty js parser...

L1769[14:53:38] <sugoi> #lua "a"+"b"

L1770[14:53:38] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value

L1771[14:53:43] <IzayaMC> #js {}+{}

L1772[14:53:48] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > NaN

L1773[14:53:49] <Michiyo> %js "a"+"b"

L1774[14:53:51] <MichiBot> Michiyo:

L1775[14:53:52] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Thread count: 37

L1776[14:53:55] <Michiyo> lol...

L1777[14:54:02] <DeanIsaKitty> #js []+1

L1778[14:54:02] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "1"

L1779[14:54:02] <Michiyo> "shitty"

L1780[14:54:05] <DeanIsaKitty> #js []-1

L1781[14:54:06] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > -1

L1782[14:54:07] <Michiyo> I never finished it

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L1784[14:54:19] <sugoi> ANYways

L1785[14:54:26] <sugoi> Michiyo: what's something she has said?

L1786[14:54:29] <Skye> #js "1"+"1"

L1787[14:54:29] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "11"

L1788[14:54:32] <Skye> #js "1"+"1" + 1

L1789[14:54:32] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "111"

L1790[14:54:42] <Skye> #js 1+ "1"+"1"

L1791[14:54:42] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "111"

L1792[14:54:50] <Skye> #js ("1"+"1") + 1

L1793[14:54:51] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "111"

L1794[14:54:53] <IzayaMC> why people wanted JS on serverside is beyond me

L1795[14:54:53] <Skye> #js ("1"+"1") + 2

L1796[14:54:54] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "112"

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L1798[14:55:00] <Skye> #js ("1"+"1") + 1.2

L1799[14:55:00] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "111.2"

L1800[14:55:03] <sugoi> ok ok

L1801[14:55:13] <Skye> #js ("1"+1)

L1802[14:55:13] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "11"

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L1804[14:55:33] <DeanIsaKitty> #js Array(16).join("wat" - 1) + " Batman"

L1805[14:55:33] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN Batman"

L1806[14:55:46] <IzayaMC> :3

L1807[14:55:51] <DeanIsaKitty> x3

L1808[14:56:02] <IzayaMC> Perhaps that's why they wanted JS on the server side

L1809[14:56:20] <IzayaMC> grats?

L1810[14:56:45] <Michiyo> sugoi well, she lets her phone almost die, comes over here wants me to open a iphone charger off the shelf to charge her phone. I have one that's been opened at the desk, so I use it.. she lets it charge for like 10 minutes then comes to get it. then can't understand why it's dying again 20 minutes later

L1811[14:57:21] <sugoi> :)

L1812[14:57:35] <Michiyo> This happens every. single. day.

L1813[14:57:39] <Inari> lol

L1814[14:58:21] <Michiyo> Boss won't give her the wifi password for her iphone, and she expects me to just give it to her, knowing that I know that he doesn't want her to have it.

L1815[14:58:36] <Michiyo> cause he knows giving it to her will mean she'll do nothing but sit on her phone *all* day

L1816[14:58:45] <Michiyo> or.. should I say on her phone MORE *all* day.

L1817[14:58:52] <Michiyo> fak cust.

L1818[14:58:53] <Michiyo> afk

L1819[14:59:25] <sugoi> gamax92: ha! it's back! no idea why, totally random (sdl window frame)

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L1821[14:59:58] zsh sets mode: +v on v^

L1822[15:00:13] <sugoi> oh crazy

L1823[15:00:30] <sugoi> so when sdl window frame is created, I can't snap to side (windows features)

L1824[15:00:42] <sugoi> HA all this time, and i thought it would be nice to have that sdl frame...

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L1826[15:02:54] <CompanionCube> what JS engine is behind the #js command?

L1827[15:02:56] <CompanionCube> v8?

L1828[15:03:14] <Inari> i wish we had bucket in here

L1829[15:03:23] * Lizzy makes a bucket

L1830[15:03:45] <Inari> :P

L1831[15:03:58] <Inari> http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Bucket

L1832[15:04:07] <CompanionCube> http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/61126

L1833[15:04:41] * Lizzy opens a can of tuna and gives it to vifino

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L1835[15:04:57] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos

L1836[15:05:11] * CompanionCube would likely not be terrible with children

L1837[15:05:18] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, ^

L1838[15:05:25] <vifino> *.*

L1839[15:05:31] * vifino noms om tuna and Lizzy

L1840[15:06:49] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: I don't really know you that well. All I know that I'm always the one who is okay with kids and suddenly I'm guarding a horde of 10 <8y olds <.>

L1841[15:07:36] <CompanionCube> wow

L1842[15:08:42] <Izaya> small children are evil

L1843[15:09:23] <DeanIsaKitty> CC, so the chances that I would have to deal with any offspring Lizzy & vifno may or may not produce are pretty high ^^

L1844[15:09:23] <sugoi> i'd be more afraid of giant children

L1845[15:09:38] <Inari> #lua _ENV=""

L1846[15:09:38] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1847[15:09:42] <IzayaMC> ... so would I, actually

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L1849[15:10:03] <IzayaMC> But *evil*

L1850[15:10:10] <Inari> #lua print("A")

L1851[15:10:11] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > A | nil

L1852[15:10:13] <Inari> aw :P

L1853[15:10:37] <Inari> does _ENV just not work anymore in 5.3? xD or does it make a new env for each cmd

L1854[15:11:59] <Michiyo> bleh

L1855[15:12:38] <CompanionCube> #js clear(this);

L1856[15:12:38] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > clear is not defined

L1857[15:12:42] <CompanionCube> aw

L1858[15:13:01] <CompanionCube> #js process

L1859[15:13:02] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > process is not defined

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L1861[15:15:33] <Michiyo> %flip ^

L1862[15:15:33] <MichiBot> Michiyo: (╯°□°）╯︵pǝuıɟǝp ʇou sı ssǝɔoɹd <

L1863[15:15:44] <CompanionCube> #js eval();

L1864[15:15:45] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > null

L1865[15:16:36] <CompanionCube> #js global.eval();

L1866[15:16:37] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > global is not defined

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L1868[15:19:28] <SoraFirestorm> hey you lot

L1869[15:19:37] <sugoi> SoraFirestorm: welcome

L1870[15:19:41] <Dashkal> o/

L1871[15:20:44] <DeanIsaKitty> SoraFirestorm you sucker how have you been? :P

L1872[15:20:50] <SoraFirestorm> I been alright

L1873[15:21:07] <SoraFirestorm> Today has been a day for Python so far

L1874[15:21:38] <DeanIsaKitty> A day of cringeworthiness or sunshine for you?

L1875[15:21:46] <SoraFirestorm> Mostly sunshine

L1876[15:22:10] * Michiyo yawns

L1877[15:22:22] <Michiyo> it's only 3:20... and I'm about to fall asleep

L1878[15:22:25] <Michiyo> ._.

L1879[15:22:36] <DeanIsaKitty> Michiyo: Coffee.

L1880[15:22:43] <Michiyo> can't

L1881[15:22:44] <sugoi> so

L1882[15:22:45] <DeanIsaKitty> and if that doesn't help, more coffee

L1883[15:22:45] <SoraFirestorm> Michiyo: lots of it

L1884[15:22:50] <SoraFirestorm> :P

L1885[15:22:51] <sugoi> you know how we're all in the this same place

L1886[15:22:55] <sugoi> #oc that is

L1887[15:23:03] <sugoi> yet...we're so distant, too

L1888[15:23:03] <Michiyo> I'm totally not in #oc

L1889[15:23:17] <SoraFirestorm> that's so deep

L1890[15:23:21] <sugoi> i just considered...this world is more than 3 dimensional

L1891[15:23:27] <DeanIsaKitty> sugoi: duh

L1892[15:23:33] <sugoi> yep

L1893[15:23:37] <sugoi> duh indeed

L1894[15:23:47] * Dashkal bends sugoi's spacetime

L1895[15:23:58] <DeanIsaKitty> sugoi: Depending on what your fix is its somewhere between 4 and 12 dimensional

L1896[15:23:58] <Michiyo> Oh yeah, bend that spacetime

L1897[15:24:17] <DeanIsaKitty> Show me that sigularity yeah baby

L1898[15:24:38] <Dashkal> Never, that stays hidden behind the horizion

L1899[15:24:47] <SoraFirestorm> y'all are weird :P

L1900[15:24:53] <DeanIsaKitty> SoraFirestorm: duh

L1901[15:24:54] <Dashkal> I certainly hope so

L1902[15:24:59] <Michiyo> Well, yeah

L1903[15:25:14] <sugoi> SoraFirestorm: so remember that400 byte per function redirect cost i was hitting?

L1904[15:25:29] <Inari> Dashkal: where all lines meet?

L1905[15:25:58] <Dashkal> Parallel lines, perpendicular lines, opposing vectors...

L1906[15:26:00] <sugoi> SoraFirestorm: i have been thinking, right my best solution is to redirect pairs and index

L1907[15:26:10] <Inari> Dashkal: technically you shoudl be able tos ee the singularity

L1908[15:26:12] <Inari> if you do it right

L1909[15:26:32] <Dashkal> The math required to end up with a naked singularity is beyond my area of study.

L1910[15:26:44] <SoraFirestorm> sugoi: what brings you to that conclusion?

L1911[15:27:41] <Inari> In general relativity, the mathematical condition for the existence of a black hole with an event horizon is simple. It is given by the following inequality: M^2 > (J/M)^2 + Q^2, where M is the mass of the black hole, J is its angular momentum and Q is its charge.

L1912[15:27:41] <Inari> Getting rid of the event horizon is simply a question of increasing the angular momentum and/or charge of this object until the inequality is reversed.

L1913[15:27:41] <Inari> supposedly

L1914[15:27:56] * Dashkal nods

L1915[15:28:06] <Dashkal> Yeah, I've seen the math. I just haven't studied the concepts enough to follow it.

L1916[15:28:12] <sugoi> to iterate my options...let us assume a few requirements. 1 i cannot trim any more fat, the api cannot shrink, but may grow

L1917[15:28:17] <Dashkal> I reserve my math study time for a very different field.

L1918[15:28:27] <SoraFirestorm> sugoi: alright

L1919[15:28:30] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: whats your IQ again? <.<

L1920[15:28:43] <sugoi> 2. i cannot split the core libraries, that would confuse the namespace

L1921[15:28:50] <Inari> DeanIsaKitty: ?

L1922[15:28:53] <sugoi> 3. i cannot load a core library in full, too much ram cost

L1923[15:29:10] <sugoi> thus, i have to partially load libraries, thus i have to redirect calls to lazy load

L1924[15:29:18] <vifino> Inari: DeanIsaKitty wants to know if you are smurt or a goofball.

L1925[15:29:22] <SoraFirestorm> alright

L1926[15:29:24] <SoraFirestorm> makes sense

L1927[15:29:31] <sugoi> simple redirection costs 400 bytes per function, with the most simple of wrappers

L1928[15:29:40] <Inari> no clue what my IQ is :P im jus twondering why DeanIsaKitty asks

L1929[15:29:42] <sugoi> that cost is simply too much for me, i'm not happy

L1930[15:29:50] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino: I know Inari is a genius. I want to know how much more of a genius than the rest of us she is.

L1931[15:29:57] <Inari> i am?

L1932[15:29:58] <SoraFirestorm> DeanIsaKitty + vifino: That sentence has marks of being copy-pasted

L1933[15:30:13] <Inari> not sure where you're getting that from xD

L1934[15:30:14] <sugoi> so, A solution is to NOT create a rediret for each, but HANDLE calls when made (metatable __idnex)

L1935[15:30:21] <DeanIsaKitty> SoraFirestorm: Not based on this single sentence

L1936[15:30:24] <sugoi> i haven't been able to find a cheaper redirection

L1937[15:30:30] <Dashkal> I'm not sure how much stock I'm willing to put into those numbers... I remember mine, but I don't tend to say since it gives an odd impression.

L1938[15:30:33] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Mostly talking to you

L1939[15:30:40] <Inari> and yeha that was copypaasted

L1940[15:30:41] <SoraFirestorm> sugoi: sounds sane

L1941[15:30:47] <SoraFirestorm> called it

L1942[15:30:49] <Inari> hence the "supposedly" :P

L1943[15:30:53] <Inari> from an article i had once read about that

L1944[15:30:58] <Inari> ( http://www.technologyreview.com/view/419351/how-to-destroy-a-black-hole/ )

L1945[15:31:36] <DeanIsaKitty> Dashkal: They're pretty good at being comparable values is a specific area. But they are rather bad at being a measurement of general intelligence

L1946[15:32:03] <Dashkal> Indeed. Another place I haven't spent the time researching.

L1947[15:32:31] <DeanIsaKitty> Dashkal: Given you said odd impression I'm gonna assume 130+ :P

L1948[15:32:45] <Dashkal> >.>

L1949[15:33:00] <DeanIsaKitty> Or at least very close :P

L1950[15:33:21] <DeanIsaKitty> Also the average of maths in university is pretty high, I think something around 115

L1951[15:33:33] <DeanIsaKitty> As in average IQ of math students

L1952[15:34:25] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: How goofball am I on your IQ scale?

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L1954[15:36:11] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino: On my or on the medical?

L1955[15:36:39] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: Both?

L1956[15:36:43] <vifino> I dunno.

L1957[15:37:20] <vifino> Given that the answer to my question is purely for entertainment purposes, it doesn't matter.

L1958[15:37:24] <DeanIsaKitty> On my you are above average on a medical one you would probably score a very high number

L1959[15:38:19] <vifino> Wow, that's too... realistic. I was expecting a funny response. ._.

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L1961[15:38:49] <DeanIsaKitty> I don't analyze people funnily, you should know that by now

L1962[15:38:52] <sugoi> mine*

L1963[15:39:02] * SoraFirestorm is back

L1964[15:39:07] <SoraFirestorm> and there was much rejoicing

L1965[15:39:11] <DeanIsaKitty> SoraFirestorm you sucker how have you been? :P

L1966[15:39:14] <SoraFirestorm> XD

L1967[15:39:16] * Lizzy wanders off to have a shower

L1968[15:40:42] * vifino coughs and dissapears into a totally random direction

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L1971[15:41:18] <DeanIsaKitty> How much Sex can a human being have until its becomes dangerous in a medical sense? <.<

L1972[15:42:08] <Skye> wat

L1973[15:42:26] <DeanIsaKitty> Skye: You're to young to understand. Go back to your lego.

L1974[15:42:41] <sugoi> i like legos

L1975[15:42:41] <IzayaMC> Man I wish I still had my lego

L1976[15:42:47] <Skye> ._.

L1977[15:43:15] * Skye tactically places lego in the worse possible places on the floor

L1978[15:43:23] <DeanIsaKitty> I still have my lego \o/

L1979[15:43:30] <SoraFirestorm> Skye: you evil

L1980[15:43:45] * Skye places upturned 3 pin plugs

L1981[15:43:49] * Aedda puts up a fence around the lego to prevent steppage

L1982[15:44:03] <IzayaMC> My dad has my lego so I don't expect to see that again \o/

L1983[15:44:04] * Skye places upturned 3 pin plugs everywhere else

L1984[15:44:24] <DeanIsaKitty> IzayaMC: My dad never liked lego so I got that going for me :D

L1985[15:44:35] <Michiyo> I miss my Legos...

L1986[15:45:11] <DeanIsaKitty> to all iOS devs in here: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/689526387254800384

L1987[15:45:13] <MichiBot> Tue Jan 19 13:14:36 CST 2016 @tqbf: iOS devs: this is one of the most important jobs on the Internet, and it’s open. Go take it. https://t.co/JspGn3sVWV

L1988[15:45:16] <Aedda> I have a box of lego in storage, it is a fairly good box, I think I like MC more now though

L1989[15:46:42] <SoraFirestorm> how is it important?

L1990[15:46:58] <SoraFirestorm> Apple trash by definition is not important

L1991[15:47:17] <Izaya> SoraFirestorm, but people have to interact with people with apple trash

L1992[15:47:31] <Izaya> and as such some form of encryption would be nice

L1993[15:47:33] <DeanIsaKitty> SoraFirestorm: Its not about Apple its about trustworthy crypto

L1994[15:48:48] <SoraFirestorm> It's crypto? That wasn't obvious...

L1995[15:50:05] <DeanIsaKitty> SoraFirestorm: Signal is probably the only reliable, good crypto messaging app out there outside of straight XMPP + Otr.

L1996[15:50:29] <Dashkal> So, seriously considering yet another project too big for my motivation.

L1997[15:50:40] <Dashkal> I have a toy language project that at some point I'll make an OC arch.

L1998[15:50:42] <DeanIsaKitty> Dashkal: Sure, I'll help

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L2000[15:50:58] <Dashkal> Giving some serious thought to not having syntax in the normal sense. You just operate on the AST with tool support.

L2001[15:51:48] <Dashkal> The gifs here give the idea: http://www.lamdu.org/

L2002[15:52:00] <Dashkal> You're not so much editing text as you're editing a tree.

L2003[15:53:36] * CompanionCube pokes at s-expressions being basically an AST imho

L2004[15:53:46] <SoraFirestorm> I'll agree with that ^

L2005[15:53:53] * Izaya mumbles something about FORTH having no syntax anyway

L2006[15:53:58] <SoraFirestorm> I think a Lisp arch would be pretty cool tbh

L2007[15:54:13] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya: it does... just a really primitive one

L2008[15:54:15] <Izaya> bring back the lisp machines of old

L2009[15:54:15] <CompanionCube> SoraFirestorm, Kawa implements Scheme in Java

L2010[15:54:52] <Izaya> hey CompanionCube, you could have Emacs OS

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L2012[15:55:07] <SoraFirestorm> 11/10 Emacs OS

L2013[15:55:07] <AntheusSleep> \o/ my mic is in

L2014[15:55:09] *** AntheusSleep is now known as Antheus

L2015[15:55:12] <CompanionCube> Izaya, well

L2016[15:55:20] <CompanionCube> for that you'd need elisp

L2017[15:55:27] <Antheus> Izaya, i'll be on the server later

L2018[15:55:35] <CompanionCube> I believe Guile could do that if you made java bindings

L2019[15:56:09] * CompanionCube wants to try GNU Guix at some point

L2020[15:56:19] <Antheus> wat

L2021[15:56:21] <Antheus> is

L2022[15:56:23] <Antheus> dat

L2023[15:56:25] <Antheus> .-.

L2024[15:56:29] <CompanionCube> Antheus, ever heard of Nix?

L2025[15:56:31] <greaser|q> FORTH syntax is basically: <stat> ::= {<word>}

L2026[15:56:34] <Izaya> guix is NixOS but using lisp

L2027[15:56:41] <Antheus> link *nix

L2028[15:56:47] <CompanionCube> which imho is a better choice than a weird DSL

L2029[15:56:49] <Antheus> oh

L2030[15:56:51] <Dashkal> Lisps would be interesting as well.

L2031[15:56:54] <Antheus> wat

L2032[15:56:55] <Dashkal> But I love me some lambda-calculus

L2033[15:56:57] <Antheus> i'm lost

L2034[15:57:01] <Antheus> ;aklgjasd

L2035[15:57:03] <Antheus> gf

L2036[15:57:07] <Antheus> also

L2037[15:57:11] <Antheus> I HAVE A NICE NEW HEADSET

L2038[15:57:11] <Dashkal> Start with lambda and application expressions. Everything else is sugar on top.

L2039[15:57:11] <greaser|q> also in my heart it isn't lisp unless you can do map over a function

L2040[15:57:15] <Antheus> AND IT"S BLUE

L2041[15:57:19] <CompanionCube> Antheus, http://nixos.org/

L2042[15:57:46] <SoraFirestorm> There are papers that suggest that you need somewhere in the line of 6 or 7 different primitives

L2043[15:57:48] <CompanionCube> http://nixos.org/nix/

L2044[15:58:06] <Antheus> JLKGDSiogas

L2045[15:58:08] <CompanionCube> Dashkal, so something like Scheme perhaps?

L2046[15:58:09] <Antheus> FUckin internet

L2047[15:58:23] <Antheus> spiriteddusty hasn't been on in a long time

L2048[15:58:25] <Antheus> .-.

L2049[15:58:33] <greaser|q> you CANNOT do map over a function in scheme because code is compiled and is its own type

L2050[15:58:50] <CompanionCube> might it not depend on the impl?

L2051[15:58:54] <Dashkal> CompanionCube: A scheme-like would definitely be interesting. Just not my thing.

L2052[15:58:54] <SoraFirestorm> greaser|q: uh

L2053[15:59:00] <SoraFirestorm> Most Common Lisps are compiled

L2054[15:59:06] <SoraFirestorm> They can do maps over functions

L2055[15:59:26] <Dashkal> I have lambda, application, name binding, and string/long/double literals

L2056[15:59:31] <greaser|q> pretty sure scheme won't let you though

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L2058[15:59:40] <SoraFirestorm> CMUCL and fork SBCL, for example

L2059[15:59:45] <Izaya> CompanionCube, my issue with using a real programming language for defining your OS

L2060[15:59:55] <Izaya> is how long until your OS definition is also your editor?

L2061[15:59:56] <greaser|q> and i do mean "feed a function into map to be mangled and shit out another function"

L2062[15:59:57] <Dashkal> Coming next is external calls and a better binding stack paradigm (I need them accessible to save them to NBT so my stuff persists)

L2063[16:00:22] <SoraFirestorm> uhm

L2064[16:00:27] <SoraFirestorm> http://www.cs.rpi.edu/courses/fall00/ai/scheme/reference/schintro-v14/schintro_106.html

L2065[16:00:31] <SoraFirestorm> This is mapping in Scheme

L2066[16:00:31] <greaser|q> trying to remember if it's picolisp or newlisp that lets you simply feed a lambda into map and it becomes a lambda

L2067[16:00:32] <CompanionCube> Izaya, meaning?

L2068[16:00:38] <SoraFirestorm> Am I missing something?

L2069[16:00:47] <Izaya> You'll end up with insanity in your configuration files.

L2070[16:00:47] <greaser|q> i think it's picolisp, whereas iirc newlisp requires you to tag it as a lambda somehow

L2071[16:00:56] <Antheus> stupid steam is being stupid

L2072[16:00:59] <CompanionCube> how so?

L2073[16:01:05] <SoraFirestorm> It appears that they are implementing their own map

L2074[16:01:13] <SoraFirestorm> But it's clearly possible if they're doing it :P

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L2076[16:02:06] <CompanionCube> seeing as your configuration files are written in a real programming language, you can simply refactor them

L2077[16:02:09] <CompanionCube> like you would a program#

L2078[16:03:09] * Izaya arghs

L2079[16:03:13] <Izaya> I'm not good at explaining

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L2081[16:07:43] <Izaya> CompanionCube, how about this

L2082[16:07:57] <Izaya> how is defining it with a programming language any different to using a program to write your config files?

L2083[16:08:53] <sugoi> :)

L2084[16:09:02] <sugoi> so a program's code is a configuration file for its host machine

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L2086[16:09:46] * Michiyo squits

L2087[16:10:01] <DeanIsaKitty> Holy shit I misread that as squirts <.<

L2088[16:10:05] <Michiyo> o_O

L2089[16:10:07] <Michiyo> O_O

L2090[16:10:08] <vifino> <.<

L2091[16:10:17] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: You weren't the only one

L2092[16:10:41] <DeanIsaKitty> Michiyo: definitely your fault :P

L2093[16:10:45] * Michiyo rsquits

L2094[16:10:47] <Michiyo> better?

L2095[16:11:03] <DeanIsaKitty> yep

L2096[16:11:27] <Michiyo> I dunno why I'd remote server quit right now..

L2097[16:11:28] <Michiyo> but sure

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L2100[16:13:04] <SoraFirestorm> I think I want real Common Lisp anyways

L2101[16:13:16] <SoraFirestorm> Scheme is all differenty in a couple places :P

L2102[16:16:18] <g> SoraFirestorm: Hy

L2103[16:16:35] <SoraFirestorm> ?

L2104[16:16:37] <g> SoraFirestorm: http://docs.hylang.org/en/latest/

L2105[16:17:05] <SoraFirestorm> I just realized that I am very ed-like

L2106[16:17:21] <IzayaMC> A confusing line editor?

L2107[16:17:33] <IzayaMC> (That I have written several clones of)

L2108[16:18:50] <SoraFirestorm> Whenever I don't understand

L2109[16:18:50] <SoraFirestorm> I just do '?'

L2110[16:18:50] <SoraFirestorm> ed must be my spirit editor or something...

L2111[16:19:11] <CompanionCube> Izaya, the latter cuts out the step of using a program to dit

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L2113[16:19:45] <g> SoraFirestorm, I figure you might prefer that to common lisp since you seem to like python

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L2116[16:20:25] <SoraFire`> ick

L2117[16:20:35] <SoraFire`> I lagged out

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L2121[16:21:43] <g> <g> SoraFirestorm, I figure you might prefer that to common lisp since you seem to like python

L2122[16:24:15] <g> ..oh, he left

L2123[16:24:16] <g> derp

L2124[16:28:36] <Michiyo> erm.. and came back

L2125[16:28:48] <Michiyo> And disconencted again

L2126[16:28:49] <Michiyo> lol

L2127[16:28:51] <Michiyo> wow

L2128[16:29:25] <Michiyo> Top tier internet there

L2129[16:29:33] * Antheus slaps Michiyo with a large floppy disk

L2130[16:29:34] * EnderBot2 laughs

L2131[16:29:46] <Antheus> :P

L2132[16:29:55] *** Michiyo sets mode: +q Antheus!*@*

L2133[16:30:01] <Antheus> .-.

L2134[16:30:06] <Michiyo> Sadly that doesn't fix shit for me..

L2135[16:30:08] <DeanIsaKitty> No, dont....

L2136[16:30:10] <DeanIsaKitty> To late

L2137[16:30:10] <gamax92> z

L2138[16:30:12] <Michiyo> cause I can still see it :p

L2139[16:30:16] *** Michiyo sets mode: -q Antheus!*@*

L2140[16:30:46] * Antheus sets quiet on *!*@*

L2141[16:30:53] * greaser|q forces Antheus to use the IBM PC floppy disk controller

L2142[16:31:11] <greaser|q> is more horrifying than slapping someone with a full-sized 8" floppy disk drive

L2143[16:31:15] <Michiyo> AFK.. -_-

L2144[16:31:24] <greaser|q> WD1772 is a nice FDC though

L2145[16:31:34] <greaser|q> but whatever the hell the intel one is called, AVOID

L2146[16:31:51] <gamax92> greaser|q: name a terrible ide chip

L2147[16:33:05] <greaser|q> ah, it's apparently the 82077AA

L2148[16:33:17] <greaser|q> gamax92: can't, i just know how shit the ibm pc fdc is to code for

L2149[16:33:22] <gamax92> I can, CMD640

L2150[16:33:44] <greaser|q> the atari ST uses the WD1772 for its floppies and, well, it's actually nice to use

L2151[16:33:48] <greaser|q> at least in an emulator

L2152[16:33:58] <greaser|q> the 82077AA is a bitch even when it's in an emulator

L2153[16:34:58] <Inari> DeanIsaKitty: i woudl have thougth that from talkng to me you would rate me rather low on the IQ scale :P

L2154[16:35:13] <_habnabit> http://i.imgur.com/4JjL0z6.png graphs from a mekanism fusion reactor, collected with OC

L2155[16:35:27] <greaser|q> to read a sector on the WD1772: DAT=track, CMD=seek+step=3us, enable DMA, wait until completed, SEC=sector, CMD=read

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L2157[16:35:53] <greaser|q> _habnabit: nice

L2158[16:36:30] <Lizzy> Izaya, https://imgur.com/gallery/1wJ5qzm

L2159[16:36:55] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Nah, quite the opposite

L2160[16:37:08] <gamax92> greaser|q: the CMD640 chip responds to certain floppy commands and corrupts harddrive io, accessing both primary and secondary channels at the same time leads to corruption, prefetch mode generally leads to corruption, no 32bit writes

L2161[16:37:18] <greaser|q> oh lovely

L2162[16:37:27] <sugoi> ngramdly

L2163[16:37:29] <sugoi> nice

L2164[16:37:47] <Inari> DeanIsaKitty: interesting :P

L2165[16:37:59] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Yes, you are indeed :P

L2166[16:38:05] <Inari> haha

L2167[16:38:41] <greaser|q> gamax92: you're reminding me of something i read in psx-spx: the sony pocketstation has a lot of functions pretty much devoted to resetting the realtime clock

L2168[16:38:56] <Inari> i dont think im very high in terms of IQ, i even did a crappy IQ test once for a company where i did internship for 1-2 months (no clue why they wanted one) and was told it was "average" :P to be fair, i kind of suck at the pattern matching stuff

L2169[16:39:06] <Inari> and i had no clue wtf a pascals triangle is

L2170[16:39:07] <Inari> xD

L2171[16:39:17] <Inari> thats my main gripe with IQ tests though

L2172[16:39:26] <greaser|q> invalid commands tend to reset the RTC, some commands will reset the RTC as it goes along, sometimes it'll just randomly reset all by itself

L2173[16:39:32] <Inari> it seems you can practice for them too much for them to have a real value

L2174[16:39:33] <gamax92> >_> pascal's triangle isn't very hard to grasp

L2175[16:39:37] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Crappy IQ tests are worth nothing though :P

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L2177[16:40:05] <greaser|q> it's not hard to grasp, but just saying "draw pascal's triangle" is a general knowledge thing

L2178[16:40:07] <Inari> gamax92: it is when you've never seen it, have no clue what the heck the question is asking of you and are annoyed by having to take a stupid IQ test for some stupid company you want to do internship at XD

L2179[16:40:13] <greaser|q> rather than a technical knowledge thing

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L2181[16:40:23] <Inari> i dont remember the actual Q though

L2182[16:40:36] <greaser|q> pascal's triangle is fucking weird

L2183[16:40:37] <Lizzy> https://imgur.com/gallery/Dxlvr

L2184[16:40:44] <greaser|q> simple, but there's a lot of fun patterns in it

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L2186[16:42:53] <greaser|q> Lizzy: lost it at the suzie one

L2187[16:42:57] <greaser|q> *susie

L2188[16:43:08] <Inari> but yeah, i do sucka t pattern amtching xD

L2189[16:43:11] <IzayaMC> I love carpenter's garage doors

L2190[16:43:20] <Inari> DeanIsaKitty: well i'd like to some day take a real one, with having some preparation fro it too xD

L2191[16:43:30] <Inari> DeanIsaKitty: where i also gett old the actual score :P

L2192[16:43:32] <Inari> not just "average"

L2193[16:43:39] <Inari> thouhg im good in some things and bad in others

L2194[16:43:43] <Inari> so i dotn think it'll turn out very high

L2195[16:48:08] <Izaya> io.popen is for opening a process and reading stdout, right?

L2196[16:58:52] <gamax92> or for writing it it's stdin

L2197[16:59:07] <gamax92> but not both, you can only have one or the other

L2198[17:00:27] <IzayaMC> seeya

L2199[17:00:33] <IzayaMC> wait this is still IRC

L2200[17:00:35] <IzayaMC> damnit

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L2206[17:17:55] <sugoi> openos 1.6 will have popen!

L2207[17:19:52] <Michiyo> well... we made -8.36 in cash today

L2208[17:19:58] <Michiyo> I have no idea how to cash that out.

L2209[17:20:07] <sugoi> another return?

L2210[17:20:18] <Michiyo> yeah...

L2211[17:20:20] <sugoi> or just sales-your_pay?

L2212[17:20:25] <Michiyo> return

L2213[17:20:40] <Michiyo> we made like 240 in check/credit

L2214[17:20:46] <Michiyo> but.. I have to cash out the drawer..

L2215[17:20:50] <sugoi> the product i work on is free to use

L2216[17:20:51] <Michiyo> and we made -8.36

L2217[17:21:07] <sugoi> haha wow

L2218[17:21:29] <Michiyo> so 8.36-240 we still made profit

L2219[17:21:36] <Michiyo> but I dunno wtf to take out of the drawer.. lol

L2220[17:22:25] <sugoi> the software i work on uses a subscription payment model. but - it is free if you make <100k/year

L2221[17:23:38] <sugoi> we have a lot of users, but very few who pay

L2222[17:23:49] <sugoi> i'm amazed we have as many on the team as we do

L2223[17:24:06] <Magik6k> %tell Sangar Placing TIS blocks causes robots to wrap in cube: https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/1453245790.png

L2224[17:24:07] <MichiBot> Magik6k: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.

L2225[17:25:00] <CompanionCube> sugoi, why was me first thought Unity or UE4

L2226[17:26:14] <sugoi> http://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/overview

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L2230[17:47:50] <_habnabit> oh, openos doesn't have reparenting

L2231[17:47:56] <_habnabit> sugoi, is this something you worked on?

L2232[17:48:07] <sugoi> yes indeed

L2233[17:48:14] <sugoi> openos 1.6 is being optimized

L2234[17:48:24] <_habnabit> neat

L2235[17:48:28] <sugoi> the ram cost is a bit high

L2236[17:48:51] <sugoi> after i get ram cost to awesome levels, then i'll be ready to submit

L2237[17:49:06] <sugoi> i have the first PR ready, which is the bulk of the work

L2238[17:49:12] <sugoi> what reparenting do you want?

L2239[17:49:34] <_habnabit> sugoi, if a process dies on a unixy OS, its parent is set to the parent of its parent

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L2241[17:50:33] <_habnabit> sugoi, also i added pids to openos last night. is your code on github, then?

L2242[17:51:13] <sugoi> ok about pids, i have a lot in store for process data and even future support for things like something top like, or ps like

L2243[17:51:17] <sugoi> will kill support even

L2244[17:51:24] <_habnabit> okay neat

L2245[17:51:25] <sugoi> so,....mind if i review it?

L2246[17:51:33] <_habnabit> i'll post a patch; one sec

L2247[17:51:39] <sugoi> i'm not the final gatekeeper, but i'd like to weigh in on it

L2248[17:52:01] <IzayaMC> Review?

L2249[17:52:04] <_habnabit> i probably should submit it upstream but i'm sitting on a bunch of patches across several mods at this point

L2250[17:52:05] <sugoi> haha, not "will kill support" i meant "with kill support"

L2251[17:52:06] <IzayaMC> 10/9 with rice

L2252[17:54:46] <sugoi> _habnabit: as for reparenting, the process "stack" isn't how i want it yet with 1.6

L2253[17:55:01] <sugoi> i have more ideas, but i need to release at some point

L2254[17:55:29] <sugoi> so while i could support reparenting for 1.6 -- it might be best for something like 1.7

L2255[17:55:37] <_habnabit> okay

L2256[17:55:43] <sugoi> just because of how much i want to change about the process stack in general

L2257[17:57:20] <sugoi> also, about process death and reparenting, i thought the way it worked was for children to get new parents

L2258[17:57:32] <sugoi> you make it sound like if a child dies the parent gets a new parent

L2259[17:57:35] <sugoi> sorry if i misread

L2260[17:57:35] <_habnabit> that doesn't seem to be the case at the moment, but i'm not entirely sure

L2261[17:57:43] <_habnabit> at the moment, the child does not get a new parent

L2262[17:57:43] <sugoi> i'm not talking abotu openos

L2263[17:57:47] <sugoi> i do no reparenting in openos

L2264[17:57:47] <_habnabit> oh

L2265[17:57:51] <_habnabit> right ok

L2266[17:58:00] <sugoi> ok, we're on the same page then

L2267[17:58:15] <_habnabit> yes, on a unixy os, if you spawn a process and then exit, that process is reparented to your own parent

L2268[17:58:28] <_habnabit> all processes (except pid 1) must have an alive parent

L2269[17:58:32] <sugoi> yes, that's a better way to phrase it

L2270[17:59:47] <sugoi> _habnabit: when i work on 1.7 process changes, i'll make sure to ping you :)

L2271[17:59:53] <sugoi> always looking for feedback from ppl that care

L2272[17:59:54] <_habnabit> okay cool

L2273[18:00:09] <_habnabit> did you work on rc/service support? because you didn't ping me about that :p

L2274[18:00:25] <sugoi> i didn't forget :) and no, probably not for 1.6........but maybe

L2275[18:00:28] <sugoi> here's my roadmap

L2276[18:00:46] <sugoi> PR1 (bulk feature set) is done and in: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/pull/1610

L2277[18:00:57] <sugoi> PR2: memory optimizations

L2278[18:01:04] <sugoi> PR3: rc boot changes

L2279[18:01:10] <sugoi> PR2 is required for oc 1.6

L2280[18:01:11] <_habnabit> ah ok

L2281[18:01:15] <sugoi> i HAVE to get that done

L2282[18:01:27] <sugoi> PR3 is in the hope-chest :)

L2283[18:01:36] <sugoi> i have an rc-dev branch

L2284[18:01:47] <sugoi> it's fun, but not release ready and partially done

L2285[18:01:48] <_habnabit> sugoi, http://paste.pound-python.org/show/pFOOdsuScjFSloyQ2SDK/

L2286[18:01:49] <sugoi> so...yeah

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L2288[18:03:50] <sugoi> haha ok this is good stuff but also

L2289[18:03:51] <sugoi> ...

L2290[18:03:58] <sugoi> are you giving random names to processes?!

L2291[18:04:01] <_habnabit> yes

L2292[18:04:05] <sugoi> haha, that's awesome

L2293[18:04:08] <_habnabit> i posted a screencap earlier

L2294[18:04:17] <_habnabit> http://i.imgur.com/4c4MG8W.png

L2295[18:04:26] <sugoi> haah

L2296[18:04:35] <sugoi> i've never considered something like that

L2297[18:04:37] <sugoi> fun

L2298[18:04:45] <_habnabit> more memorable than numbers

L2299[18:04:49] <Izaya> not eldrich horror enough

L2300[18:04:52] <_habnabit> haha

L2301[18:04:57] <Izaya> generate a random string

L2302[18:05:26] <Izaya> fuyhwenmc

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L2304[18:05:35] <CompanionCube> inb4 lisp machine in OC

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L2306[18:11:51] <sugoi> i like how you separate load and spawn

L2307[18:12:06] <sugoi> i would leave the choice to take the naming to The One

L2308[18:12:10] <_habnabit> yeah, i needed spawn

L2309[18:12:24] <sugoi> i personally thinks it's fun, but not something i consider core

L2310[18:12:33] <sugoi> i add function option to load

L2311[18:12:56] <_habnabit> you remember the issue i had a while ago with coroutine spontaneously dying? i fixed that with process.spawn

L2312[18:12:59] <sugoi> but i can see the logic in having another api for functions

L2313[18:13:25] <sugoi> i dont, why/how was it dieing? did you lose a handle to it?

L2314[18:13:45] <sugoi> does a suspended thread get gc'd in lua?

L2315[18:13:53] <sugoi> i would think not, i haven't tested that

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L2318[18:14:13] <_habnabit> i was calling coroutine.create from an rc start function

L2319[18:14:46] <_habnabit> the coroutine was getting gc'd because process.running has weak keys

L2320[18:14:51] <sugoi> yes

L2321[18:14:52] <sugoi> but -

L2322[18:15:07] <sugoi> back to my question, is a suspended thread ready ... i guess it could be

L2323[18:15:10] <sugoi> i had not considered this

L2324[18:15:18] * sugoi ponders

L2325[18:15:24] <sugoi> ok this is important

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L2327[18:15:47] <Shuudoushi> adding multi-threading or something sugoi?

L2328[18:15:56] <sugoi> yeah a suspended thread is just an object, lua gc doesn't care

L2329[18:16:00] <Izaya> oh hey it's Shuudoushi

L2330[18:16:11] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: no more than openos is already mutlithreaded i guess

L2331[18:16:17] <Shuudoushi> lol

L2332[18:16:22] <sugoi> just cleaning things up

L2333[18:16:31] <Izaya> take a guess at what I did with those 150 pictures?

L2334[18:16:33] <Shuudoushi> I've only caught a little bit of what's going on

L2335[18:17:07] <Shuudoushi> Izaya: masturbated ferociously to them till you passed out?

L2336[18:17:14] <Izaya> ha ha ha

L2337[18:17:15] <Izaya> no

L2338[18:17:16] <Izaya> http://shadowkat.science/yuki/

L2339[18:17:41] <CompanionCube> when does that domain expire

L2340[18:17:53] <Izaya> soon(TM)

L2341[18:17:56] <Izaya> I need a new one

L2342[18:17:57] <sugoi> _habnabit: back to load vs spawn

L2343[18:18:06] <sugoi> i decided to keep just one api, for simplicity

L2344[18:18:09] <Izaya> can't decide whether to splurge $30/year on a .su or go for something cheaper

L2345[18:18:12] <Izaya> .xyz is cheap

L2346[18:18:23] <CompanionCube> Izaya, github's edu pack gives you a free .me for a year

L2347[18:18:31] <sugoi> but why does your spawn take env - are you swaping out _G when you resume?

L2348[18:18:38] <sugoi> bc there is no setfenv anymore

L2349[18:18:42] <Shuudoushi> . Is also very cheap :D

L2350[18:18:51] <_habnabit> sugoi, not reason other than process.load already did

L2351[18:19:00] <sugoi> ok

L2352[18:19:13] <sugoi> so in my load overload to accept functions, i actually assert the user isn't trying to give env as well

L2353[18:19:17] <_habnabit> ah ok

L2354[18:19:25] <sugoi> i also needed load to take function, for popen actually

L2355[18:19:27] <_habnabit> that probably makes sense since you're calling the function anyway

L2356[18:19:46] <IzayaMC> Ohai.

L2357[18:19:51] <IzayaMC> damnit this is still IRC

L2358[18:19:58] <Mimiru> gg

L2359[18:20:01] <Shuudoushi> fucking dumbass

L2360[18:20:02] <_habnabit> i mean, because it's being called

L2361[18:20:09] <_habnabit> and you can provide whatever you want

L2362[18:20:12] <sugoi> yeah

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L2364[18:21:04] <Shuudoushi> who the shit buckets was the one that added multi monitor and shit?

L2365[18:21:16] <sugoi> mpmz...something

L2366[18:21:26] <sugoi> why?

L2367[18:21:41] <Shuudoushi> once MC boots up, I'll show you

L2368[18:21:57] <Shuudoushi> going to be a bit, we have a lot of mods...

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L2370[18:23:10] <sugoi> _habnabit: so....i was playing with removing "v" mode from the process list

L2371[18:23:17] <_habnabit> sugoi, oh?

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L2373[18:23:27] <sugoi> i have a branch that handles aborts and such

L2374[18:23:35] <sugoi> rather than just letting gc get things

L2375[18:23:51] <sugoi> i...

L2376[18:24:32] <sugoi> (err, "k" mode, the keys are the threads, you know what i meant :P)

L2377[18:24:54] <sugoi> but i didn't think ths was high priority until i could spend some more time on the process stack

L2378[18:24:56] <Shuudoushi> sugoi: ok, while MC boots, I'll give you a run down of the issue I'm having atm. this is erroring saying that term.getGPU() cannot be found https://github.com/Shuudoushi/SecureOS/blob/dev/bin/sh.lua#L13 , but it's right here https://github.com/Shuudoushi/SecureOS/blob/dev/lib/term.lua#L210-L213

L2379[18:25:16] <sugoi> _habnabit: you've done good stuff, it's not wrong, and would be easy to work on reparenting

L2380[18:25:24] <_habnabit> sugoi, cool

L2381[18:25:32] <_habnabit> sugoi, i'm glad i'm bringing these things up, at least

L2382[18:25:36] <Mimiru> yay, my local server just bit it

L2383[18:25:48] <Shuudoushi> ...

L2384[18:25:51] <Shuudoushi> again?

L2385[18:25:58] <sugoi> but...could we shelf part of this for a bit?

L2386[18:26:04] <_habnabit> sugoi, oh yeah np

L2387[18:26:14] <_habnabit> sugoi, with openos at least it's easy to modify the files locally

L2388[18:26:23] <sugoi> i will definitely make coroutines-started-from-rc safe with openos 1.6

L2389[18:26:44] <sugoi> i'll make that a high priority, i'll visit this issue for pr2

L2390[18:26:59] <Shuudoushi> sugoi: keep in mind, this only starts after a login: http://puu.sh/mCbtE/c8d1490586.png

L2391[18:27:04] <_habnabit> sugoi, thank you!

L2392[18:27:42] <sugoi> oh no thank you :) at the end of the day, i'm not the gatekeeper on this, but this has been my second job for some time

L2393[18:27:47] <sugoi> so i appreciate your support as well

L2394[18:29:29] <sugoi> i'm not sure the state of SOS

L2395[18:29:38] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: ok, now, reading your text, sorry

L2396[18:29:47] <Shuudoushi> np lol

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L2398[18:30:15] <Shuudoushi> oh, and login is handled as a boot script unless 'logout' is used

L2399[18:30:28] <Inari> halp

L2400[18:30:33] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/RuofZbu its so cute

L2401[18:31:26] <sugoi> so just talking out loud (typing out loud?) here Shuudoushi ... the methods:... are for each term instance

L2402[18:31:31] <sugoi> there should bea create ctor like thing..

L2403[18:31:36] * sugoi reads more

L2404[18:31:57] <sugoi> yeah, at the end

L2405[18:32:14] <Shuudoushi> sugoi: I directly ported the changes...

L2406[18:32:16] <sugoi> it creats the term object methods

L2407[18:32:34] <sugoi> well i'd have to debug it

L2408[18:32:44] <sugoi> don't hate me :) it works for me :/

L2409[18:32:51] <sugoi> (not sos, but i merged with it for openos)

L2410[18:33:02] <_habnabit> aaaaaaugh lua

L2411[18:33:07] <_habnabit> every now and then i get surprised

L2412[18:33:24] <Shuudoushi> I'LL KILL YOUUUUU

L2413[18:33:27] <Shuudoushi> nah, lol

L2414[18:33:33] <sugoi> _habnabit: i love learning new stuff, what is it this time?!

L2415[18:33:35] <Shuudoushi> n man, just when you have time

L2416[18:33:40] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: soooo

L2417[18:33:45] <sugoi> sec..

L2418[18:34:04] <sugoi> ok so this is without my pr (obviously..)

L2419[18:34:12] <_habnabit> apparently if you do `local function a() local function x() return y() end; local function y() ... end; return x; end` and try to call `a()()`, y will be nil

L2420[18:34:18] <_habnabit> and calling nil does nothing

L2421[18:34:23] <sugoi> so your term.write is still essentially a "render text right to gpu)

L2422[18:34:28] <_habnabit> i had no idea why my function wasn't running

L2423[18:34:46] <sugoi> so .. maybe try to print some debug stuff...see if the term object is built correctly during those end lines

L2424[18:35:00] <_habnabit> you have to do `local function a() local y; local function x() return y() end; function y() ... end; return x; end`

L2425[18:35:12] <sugoi> _habnabit: oh yes, i've hit that too

L2426[18:35:23] <sugoi> upvalue capturing cares about order of declaration

L2427[18:35:24] <_habnabit> `local y; ... local function y` makes a _new_ local binding and x won't see it

L2428[18:35:47] <_habnabit> ah well at least i figured it out

L2429[18:36:14] <Shuudoushi> the source btw, just encase I fucked up with a misspelling again >.> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/commit/29c49e0cf7c8862b2f3fa2f178344991cb19acd3

L2430[18:36:24] <sugoi> #lua local y;y=function(n)if n>100 then return n;end return y(n*2)end;return y(1)

L2431[18:36:24] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 128

L2432[18:37:01] <sugoi> but if i remove that first declaration

L2433[18:37:09] <sugoi> #lua local y=function(n)if n>100 then return n;end return y(n*2)end;return y(1)

L2434[18:37:09] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to call a nil value (global 'y')

L2435[18:37:22] <sugoi> same type of problem that you saw

L2436[18:37:48] <_habnabit> _oh_ i know why i wasn't seeing that calling nil wasn't producing an error: there was nothing to trap and display that error

L2437[18:38:05] <_habnabit> apparently when event.timer calls a function errors are discarded

L2438[18:38:23] <sugoi> would you like those logged to $TMPDIR/event.log ?

L2439[18:38:26] <sugoi> :)

L2440[18:38:35] <_habnabit> i keep thinking about how to do logging in openos

L2441[18:38:37] <sugoi> or pushed to stderr

L2442[18:38:52] <_habnabit> what would be nice is a paper ticker or something, because disk space is kind of precious

L2443[18:39:06] <sugoi> paper ticker?

L2444[18:39:21] <Shuudoushi> the fuck o.O

L2445[18:39:22] <_habnabit> a peripheral that 'prints' to 'paper'

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L2447[18:39:49] <Shuudoushi> my local copy (on the server) doesn't have the if statement o.O

L2448[18:40:13] <Shuudoushi> http://puu.sh/mCcmp/0e719f4176.png

L2449[18:40:45] <sugoi> haahah

L2450[18:40:48] <sugoi> NICE

L2451[18:40:56] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: you just made my day :)

L2452[18:41:03] <sugoi> we've all done it man

L2453[18:41:05] <sugoi> merge issues, that is

L2454[18:41:12] <Shuudoushi> ?

L2455[18:41:13] <sugoi> in japanese there is a phrase

L2456[18:41:20] <sugoi> "even monkies fall from trees"

L2457[18:41:27] <sugoi> monkeys*

L2458[18:42:04] <Shuudoushi> I'm lost now >.>

L2459[18:42:38] <sugoi> _habnabit: what makes me discouraged a bit at the moment about openos future development is that we are on the hard line of memory usage

L2460[18:42:59] <_habnabit> sugoi, do you have a good way of doing memory profiling? i've run out of memory a few times

L2461[18:43:05] <Shuudoushi> looks like I messed something up in my init somehow... http://puu.sh/mCcv8/dd7871ad61.png

L2462[18:43:09] <sugoi> i have a lot of aggressive memory saving ideas, some i even shared with an expert coworker today (he created the whole memory model for autodesk inventor)

L2463[18:43:23] <sugoi> and we had a good discussion (yes, he's interested in my openos work)

L2464[18:43:27] <_habnabit> ha neat

L2465[18:43:28] <sugoi> so i think i can really shave some bits

L2466[18:44:01] <sugoi> but, man...future features are going to a continued fight to fit

L2467[18:44:31] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: such a beautiful color of blue, isn't it?!

L2468[18:44:41] <Shuudoushi> what the shit biscuits...

L2469[18:44:45] <sugoi> _habnabit: memory profiling?! oh man i wish

L2470[18:44:51] <Shuudoushi> sugoi: I want to make it red

L2471[18:44:53] <_habnabit> sugoi, :C

L2472[18:45:03] <sugoi> i've have memroy logging in my tests, but it is NOT consistent, and .. just painful

L2473[18:45:30] <sugoi> also i just learned last night, haven't proven it, but i'm 95% sure ---

L2474[18:46:13] <sugoi> that .. if you loadfile a file, shutdown your computer (in-game) swap that file out on disk, then reboot and loadfile the new one -

L2475[18:46:20] <sugoi> you are PAYING FOR BOTH loads in ram

L2476[18:46:26] <_habnabit> oh ick

L2477[18:46:53] <sugoi> it can be gc'd later, but that is still murky as to when you reclaim that ram

L2478[18:47:16] <sugoi> yes i can computer.pushSignal(0) 20 times to beg the oc runtime to collectgarbage

L2479[18:47:16] <_habnabit> so the whole state isn't dumped on shutdown?

L2480[18:47:26] <sugoi> but that doesn't free this loadfile caching the runtime is ALSO doing

L2481[18:47:36] <_habnabit> ah

L2482[18:47:48] <sugoi> this must be at the scala level

L2483[18:48:02] <sugoi> and our "machines" are paying for the cache

L2484[18:48:12] <sugoi> eventually, yes, it is reclaimed

L2485[18:48:25] <sugoi> but when you're profiling and retesting and retesting and retesting....

L2486[18:48:25] <Shuudoushi> The Brown still hasn't shown himself again I take it?

L2487[18:48:33] <sugoi> and then suddenly a 1 line change costs 9k in ram!?

L2488[18:48:40] <Mimiru> Shuudoushi, ?

L2489[18:48:47] <sugoi> Shuudoushi: nope

L2490[18:49:01] <Shuudoushi> oh yeah, Mimiru missed all that last night and this morning XD

L2491[18:49:15] <sugoi> _habnabit: anywho, so my logs of my homemade memory profiling are most of the time consistent

L2492[18:49:25] <Shuudoushi> Mimiru: we kept coming up with random nicknames for san to keep from pinging him

L2493[18:49:25] <sugoi> consistent of a virtual machine state of madness...

L2494[18:49:31] <Mimiru> o_o

L2495[18:49:43] <sugoi> but then i'll change a file and it gets double-cached and everything goes wrong

L2496[18:50:04] <sugoi> but i didn't understand/notice clearly this problem until last night

L2497[18:50:18] <sugoi> so at least now when i see a mem spike i can consider the culprit may not be me

L2498[18:50:31] <sugoi> Mimiru: i call him The One now

L2499[18:51:08] <Shuudoushi> He Who We Must not Needlessly Ping, is my contribution lol

L2500[18:51:18] <sugoi> Those That Must Be Kept

L2501[18:51:24] <sugoi> know the ref?

L2502[18:51:43] * Shuudoushi just read sugoi's messages about "theOne" and falls over laughing.

L2503[18:52:10] <Shuudoushi> wow english is hard tonight...

L2504[18:52:51] <sugoi> what's your naturaly spoken language?

L2505[18:52:57] <Shuudoushi> english...

L2506[18:53:02] <sugoi> hehe, ok

L2507[18:53:18] <Shuudoushi> only writen lang i know on top of it...

L2508[18:53:26] <_habnabit> sugoi, so you do automated testing for analyzing memory usage?

L2509[18:53:33] <sugoi> yes

L2510[18:53:39] <sugoi> well, mostly automated

L2511[18:54:14] <sugoi> at the very head of init, i create some _G.mem_* methods

L2512[18:54:21] <sugoi> like mem_history, which stores the log

L2513[18:56:37] <sugoi> then when shell fully loads and term.read is ready for the user, i dump the history to a log file in csv format

L2514[18:56:38] <Mimiru> god fucking damn it gradle

L2515[18:56:44] <sugoi> and i review it all in a merged excel sheet

L2516[18:57:12] <Mimiru> "Inherited json file (1.8.9) not found! Maybe you are running in offline mode?"

L2517[18:57:32] <Mimiru> All I want to do is setupDecompWorkspace

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L2519[18:59:47] <sugoi> _habnabit: btw, when you first asked "was this something you worked on?"

L2520[18:59:53] <sugoi> i thought you were asking about processes in oepnos

L2521[18:59:54] <sugoi> openos

L2522[19:00:02] <sugoi> were you actually asking about fusion 360?

L2523[19:00:07] <_habnabit> sugoi, oh, no, i don't think so

L2524[19:00:13] <_habnabit> sugoi, i don't even know what that is

L2525[19:00:19] <sugoi> oh sorry, nevermind

L2526[19:00:33] <sugoi> i had pasted a link to fusion 360 just above that question from you

L2527[19:00:36] <_habnabit> ah

L2528[19:02:32] <scj643> https://github.com/ABusers/A-Certain-Magical-API

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L2531[19:09:34] <sugoi> _habnabit: i wonder what bugs in user code we'll expose with a more robust process stack :)

L2532[19:09:38] <sugoi> seriously, tho

L2533[19:09:40] <_habnabit> ha

L2534[19:10:26] <_habnabit> actually, while i'm thinking about it: what all can oppm install? any file anywhere?

L2535[19:10:59] <sugoi> yes, but i think (it's been a while) it will not overwrite

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L2537[19:11:08] <sugoi> maybe i'm wrong there

L2538[19:11:17] <sugoi> default paths are /usr

L2539[19:11:26] <sugoi> but a programs.cfg can define absolute paths

L2540[19:13:44] <Shuudoushi> why the shit muffins is 'dofile' making SOS crash...

L2541[19:23:27] <Shuudoushi> hmmm... when you have two monitors and two keyboards, 'string.<whatever>' instantly returns nil still...

L2542[19:25:10] <Shuudoushi> and it looks like the other crash is really line 28 of my login script... which is just 'term.write("User: ")'...

L2543[19:29:28] <Shuudoushi> _habnabit, sugoi: oppm install <program> [path]

L2544[19:29:52] <_habnabit> hm ok

L2545[19:30:44] <Shuudoushi> default is /usr

L2546[19:30:48] <_habnabit> oh, /usr/lib is on package.path

L2547[19:30:52] <_habnabit> that'll work

L2548[19:31:42] <Shuudoushi> so if in programs.cfg you have '/lib/<name>' it'll got to '/usr/lib/<name>', but if you do '//lib/<name>', it'll go to '/lib/<name>'

L2549[19:34:58] <_habnabit> uggghhhh oppm needs an internet card

L2550[19:35:08] <Shuudoushi> welll... yeah

L2551[19:35:09] <_habnabit> i was hoping it would do something tricky to avoid that

L2552[19:35:16] <Shuudoushi> lol, no

L2553[19:35:53] <gamax92> _habnabit: let me access the internet without having internet access

L2554[19:35:54] <gamax92> yeah okay.

L2555[19:36:04] <sugoi> :) oh come on

L2556[19:36:11] <sugoi> i was starting a project for justtaht

L2557[19:36:12] <sugoi> that*

L2558[19:36:17] <sugoi> back before openos took over my life

L2559[19:36:25] <_habnabit> gamax92, the realism in OC is... variable

L2560[19:36:34] <gamax92> so?

L2561[19:36:34] <Shuudoushi> iirc, there is a config setting to make it so you don't need an internet card to access the internet

L2562[19:36:41] <gamax92> ... wat?

L2563[19:36:43] <_habnabit> gamax92, so... why not?

L2564[19:36:44] <gamax92> that makes no sense

L2565[19:36:45] <sugoi> i was making a 'router' program that would run on one machine

L2566[19:36:58] <sugoi> and then all other machines could just get internet access via network cards

L2567[19:37:05] <_habnabit> oh i like that

L2568[19:37:14] <gamax92> sugoi: that still counts as having internet access

L2569[19:37:23] <sugoi> :)

L2570[19:37:26] <_habnabit> it does mean you need a networking card in each computer too

L2571[19:37:33] <sugoi> well...yes

L2572[19:37:36] <sugoi> :)

L2573[19:37:48] <Mimiru> lots of luck with all of the programs that hard check for internet cards.. :P

L2574[19:38:00] <sugoi> Mimiru: fake the component

L2575[19:38:07] <_habnabit> i wanted oppm for distributing my own code tbqh

L2576[19:38:23] <gamax92> _habnabit: explain to me how you are going to access the internet without an internet card, even if "realism in OC is variable"

L2577[19:38:44] <gamax92> because if you could magically do so without an internet card, then wtf is the point of the internet card

L2578[19:38:47] <gamax92> OH I KNOW

L2579[19:38:51] <gamax92> SO YOU CAN ACCESS THE INTERNET WITH IT

L2580[19:39:05] <_habnabit> gamax92, builtin "oppm" component

L2581[19:39:18] * sugoi is afk

L2582[19:39:23] <gamax92> oppm is literally just a program

L2583[19:39:33] <Mimiru> The import java.util.List cannot be resolved Neat...

L2584[19:39:51] <_habnabit> gamax92, sure. but if you moved it lower in the stack it could install programs without an internet card

L2585[19:40:07] <gamax92> ... if I do what now?

L2586[19:40:21] <_habnabit> push the functionality into scala, not lua

L2587[19:40:21] <Shuudoushi> you lost me as well...

L2588[19:40:28] <Shuudoushi> ...

L2589[19:40:30] <gamax92> ...

L2590[19:40:31] <Shuudoushi> SANDBOX

L2591[19:40:51] <_habnabit> sandbox?

L2592[19:41:04] <Shuudoushi> and it is in scala, the component just exposes the methods

L2593[19:41:15] <_habnabit> no, i mean oppm, not the internet card

L2594[19:41:26] <Shuudoushi> still, SANDBOX

L2595[19:41:31] <_habnabit> i don't know what that means

L2596[19:41:47] <Shuudoushi> building oppm into OC as scala code whould mean shit explodes

L2597[19:42:07] <gamax92> also that makes no sense and would just be more complicated

L2598[19:42:18] <Shuudoushi> sandbox means that lua and java/scala remains seperate

L2599[19:42:21] <gamax92> you'd still need a lua program to use the oppm component

L2600[19:42:35] <Shuudoushi> no way to write to scala from within OC

L2601[19:42:38] <_habnabit> gamax92, correct

L2602[19:42:49] <_habnabit> Shuudoushi, you'd have to patch the scala code, yes

L2603[19:43:25] <Shuudoushi> wtf would be the point in an 'oppm component' anyway? just make a fucking internet card an an oppm floppy

L2604[19:43:47] <_habnabit> effort

L2605[19:44:03] <Shuudoushi> uni task components like that are a 100% waste of time and resources

L2606[19:44:29] <Shuudoushi> like an oppm component would take any less effort to make than an internet card and a floppy

L2607[19:44:46] <_habnabit> i mean built in to the lua processors, not an item

L2608[19:44:52] <Shuudoushi> ...

L2609[19:45:00] <Shuudoushi> again... wtf would the point be?

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L2612[19:46:07] <_habnabit> effort. at this point i'm just going to continue tracking revisions to my code by looking on the minecraft server fs in world/opencomputers

L2613[19:46:15] <_habnabit> (which is a git repo)

L2614[19:46:34] <Shuudoushi> if you REALLY wanted to be lazy, make a PR that just adds the contents of the oppm disk to the internet cards filesystem

L2615[19:47:09] <Shuudoushi> craft internet card, have oppm, done

L2616[19:47:45] <Shuudoushi> that or just go into your mods folder and do it manually for local use

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L2619[19:51:33] <Shuudoushi> and I still can't figure out why this shit is hard crashing when calling 'term.write()' in my login script...

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L2621[19:52:47] <sugoi> well dont call term.write :)

L2622[19:52:58] <sugoi> i'm kidding ... and i shouldn't be here

L2623[19:53:06] <_habnabit> haha

L2624[19:53:09] <Shuudoushi> ...

L2625[19:53:44] <Shuudoushi> I'm going to watch some youtube or something then get some sleep... I still have to workon my car more tomorrow x.x

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L2633[20:47:00] <Mimiru> 116 errors left in OP for 1.8.9

L2634[20:47:45] <Mimiru> then I have to do the JSON crap

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L2636[20:53:45] <Kodos> Mimiru: I saw that OP got an update not long ago, but I couldn't find any commits, is there a hidden branch?

L2637[20:53:54] <Mimiru> no..?

L2638[20:54:23] <Kodos> https://gyazo.com/74ddce35078e77aad3a3243cab1da80c

L2639[20:54:26] <Kodos> Odd

L2640[20:55:18] <Mimiru> Yeah that's not loading..

L2641[20:55:27] <Mimiru> There it goes

L2642[20:55:28] <Mimiru> maybe

L2643[20:56:19] <Mimiru> Or maybe chrome is just being fucking stupid

L2644[20:56:20] <Mimiru> whatever

L2645[20:56:54] <Mimiru> Who is saying it was updated an hour ago?

L2646[20:57:21] <Mimiru> Oh

L2647[20:57:23] <Mimiru> OH

L2648[20:57:25] <Mimiru> OOOOH

L2649[20:57:54] <Mimiru> I recreated the 1.8 branch

L2650[20:58:31] <Mimiru> wtf...

L2651[20:58:42] <Mimiru> is there no dev builds of 1.8.9 oc?

L2652[20:58:55] <Mimiru> api, javadoc, sources, and jar...

L2653[20:58:57] <Mimiru> but no dev

L2654[21:02:51] <Mimiru> 1.8-1.5.10.24 has a -dev

L2655[21:04:10] <Mimiru> 1.5.20.41-dev..

L2656[21:04:24] <Mimiru> 21.42-dev...

L2657[21:04:42] <Mimiru> 1.8.8 and higher don't though ¬_¬

L2658[21:28:59] <greaser|q> tbh i have no idea where the sources for 1.6 are

L2659[21:29:23] <greaser|q> unless the master branch is actually 1.6 for 1.7.10 and 1.5.22 for 1.8.9

L2660[21:29:25] <Mimiru> I don't need 1.6

L2661[21:29:29] <greaser|q> well, master branches

L2662[21:29:31] <greaser|q> i kinda do ish

L2663[21:29:40] <Mimiru> but afaik master IS 1.6

L2664[21:29:51] <greaser|q> master-1.8.9 is definitely 1.5

L2665[21:30:15] <greaser|q> as in i built it and it was 1.5.22 or something... and broke so i then went with a dev build

L2666[21:30:25] <greaser|q> and afaik master-1.8.9 is 1.5

L2667[21:30:27] <Mimiru> master 1.8+ is 1.5 it seems

L2668[21:30:29] <greaser|q> erm, master is 1.5

L2669[21:30:53] <Mimiru> master1.7 is 1.6

L2670[21:31:05] <Mimiru> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/build.properties#L4

L2671[21:31:45] <Mimiru> That's... interesting

L2672[21:33:35] <Mimiru> Fuck it.. I'm going to bed

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L2674[21:42:20] <gamax92> .-.

L2675[21:42:29] <gamax92> Mimiru: you around still by any chance?

L2676[21:43:38] <gamax92> You can just run oc through BON2 to get a dev version

L2677[21:43:46] <sugoi> greaser|q: http://ci.cil.li/job/OpenComputers-dev-MC1.7.10/

L2678[21:44:21] <greaser|q> ah.

L2679[21:45:26] <Sandra> anyone want a copy of xcom/civ5?

L2680[21:46:03] <Sandra> or wait... never mind that.

L2681[21:49:07] <Sandra> also, anyone know an extension or something that lets me cap my youtube to a certain level?

L2682[21:49:13] <Sandra> i.e. 360p?

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L2685[22:05:47] <greaser|q> woohoo i have cat working \:D/

L2686[22:06:14] <gamax92> greaser|q: what was wrong with cat?

L2687[22:06:20] <gamax92> purring motor got jammed up?

L2688[22:06:21] <greaser|q> gamax92: i'm writing a replacement OS

L2689[22:06:39] <gamax92> was it's meow too squeaky?

L2690[22:06:48] <greaser|q> the best thing is it even works with the amigados-style pathing i have

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L2692[22:09:57] <_habnabit> 'amigados' sounds like the worst OS possible

L2693[22:10:12] <_habnabit> did you add drive letters

L2694[22:10:27] <gamax92> _habnabit: no Skye did ;)

L2695[22:14:15] <greaser|q> woohoo faster term.write \:D/

L2696[22:14:54] <Temia> Amiga DOS is not the worst OS possible :c

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L2698[22:15:04] <Temia> How rude to claim it is!

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L2700[22:17:10] <greaser|q> _habnabit: amigados is better than that, it has drive *strings*

L2701[22:17:19] <greaser|q> df0:virus.lua

L2702[22:17:25] <_habnabit> ech

L2703[22:17:27] <greaser|q> dh0:bin/sh.lua

L2704[22:17:33] <greaser|q> oh yeah did i mention the shell works?

L2705[22:17:48] <_habnabit> is df0:virus.lua relative, and df0:/virus.lua absolute?

L2706[22:17:53] <greaser|q> they're both absolute

L2707[22:17:59] <greaser|q> at least in the system i'm doing

L2708[22:18:01] <_habnabit> oh

L2709[22:18:06] <_habnabit> well, that was the worst feature of dos, so

L2710[22:18:07] <greaser|q> but basically drives are easier to handle than mountpoints

L2711[22:18:27] <greaser|q> put it this way, i am not doing per-drive directory tracking

L2712[22:18:35] <_habnabit> you mean, to implement, or to use?

L2713[22:18:50] <_habnabit> i'd argue it's simpler for users to have just a root fs with mount points

L2714[22:19:16] <greaser|q> to implement

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L2716[22:19:45] <greaser|q> oh yeah this OS abuses the living shit out of setmetatable

L2717[22:19:53] <greaser|q> it's basically a replacement kernel for OpenOS

L2718[22:20:48] <gamax92> greaser|q: but does it run on 1 T1 stick

L2719[22:20:50] <greaser|q> yes

L2720[22:20:57] <gamax92> better than OpenOS

L2721[22:21:04] <greaser|q> it's a replacement *kernel*

L2722[22:21:19] <greaser|q> i'm aiming for at least some userland compat

L2723[22:21:30] <greaser|q> though i may end up splitting this into two files, "boot" and "core"

L2724[22:21:36] <greaser|q> it IS called bootcore after all

L2725[22:22:02] <gamax92> err ... what does it replace of OpenOS then?

L2726[22:22:15] <gamax92> and don't say kernel because there is no kernel.lua >_>

L2727[22:22:25] <Sandra> gamax92, there is a boot.lua

L2728[22:22:25] <greaser|q> there's an init.lua and an EEPROM ;)

L2729[22:22:31] <Sandra> or that one, sorry.

L2730[22:22:44] <greaser|q> it basically reimplements the APIs

L2731[22:22:52] <greaser|q> i've blown over the 4KB EEPROM limit so i'll need to do that split

L2732[22:22:58] <gamax92> and runs on 1 T1 o.o;

L2733[22:23:04] <greaser|q> yeah, sadly edit doesn't work yet

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L2735[22:28:52] <sugoi> my spidey sense tells me there is dissenting talk in opposition to openos

L2736[22:30:22] <greaser|q> i get the feeling cd.lua is going to need modifications

L2737[22:30:54] <sugoi> yeah?

L2738[22:31:11] <greaser|q> well shit the lua prompt kinda works

L2739[22:31:32] <greaser|q> just don't prefix your stuff with an = or else it'll complain about a lack of serialization module

L2740[22:33:27] <sugoi> gamax92: mutlimon should have been a separate loot disc :)

L2741[22:33:36] <sugoi> multi*

L2742[22:33:55] <sugoi> or an oppm

L2743[22:33:58] <sugoi> meh

L2744[22:34:04] <gamax92> multimon?

L2745[22:34:11] <sugoi> multi-monitor support

L2746[22:34:20] <gamax92> is this what causes openos to be bloaty?

L2747[22:34:26] <gamax92> memory wise

L2748[22:34:32] <sugoi> yeah, it was a big hit

L2749[22:34:40] <sugoi> but there are many areas

L2750[22:34:53] <sugoi> 5-10k here, 5-10k there

L2751[22:34:56] <sugoi> it adds up fast

L2752[22:35:09] <lashtear> now installing openos. Please insert disk 19 of 34.

L2753[22:35:11] <gamax92> I wonder if it can be consolidated and dynamically turned on

L2754[22:35:37] <sugoi> i've working on iteration...4? of that idea

L2755[22:35:42] <sugoi> all ideas have worked

L2756[22:35:46] <sugoi> but cost more than i'd like

L2757[22:36:16] <sugoi> i think this has the right balance of maintainability and efficiency

L2758[22:37:04] <sugoi> greaser|q: boots on 1x T1? nice, how much free at shell prompt?

L2759[22:37:11] <greaser|q> not sure

L2760[22:37:48] <sugoi> local m=0 for i=1,20 do computer.pushSignal(0) m=math.max(m,computer.freeMemory()) end print(m)

L2761[22:38:13] <gamax92> >_> wat?

L2762[22:38:36] <gamax92> why max of several rounds?

L2763[22:38:55] <sugoi> but things wiggle, and The One told me this is the best way

L2764[22:39:14] <sugoi> the 20 yields He said will invite a colectgarbage

L2765[22:39:44] <sugoi> the max will give a reasonable memory cost of what YOU have allocated, and not other noise

L2766[22:39:45] <gamax92> oh right nvm, free not used

L2767[22:39:47] <gamax92> carry on

L2768[22:40:02] * sugoi carries on

L2769[22:41:04] <greaser|q> i've got i think about 140KB free

L2770[22:41:07] * Antheus slaps gamax92

L2771[22:41:07] * EnderBot2 chuckles

L2772[22:41:32] <sugoi> 140k free!?!

L2773[22:41:34] <sugoi> of 1 T1?

L2774[22:41:41] <gamax92> sugoi: reminder, not much exists

L2775[22:41:51] <sugoi> 1 T1 is 192k, that means you've allocated only 52

L2776[22:42:03] <sugoi> and init is called with ~11k already allocated

L2777[22:42:11] <sugoi> thus yo've only taken ~41k

L2778[22:42:31] <sugoi> not much exists, but 41k is hardly a fart

L2779[22:43:00] <sugoi> every stupid function(...) invoke(...) end costs about 400 bytes alone

L2780[22:44:02] <sugoi> openos passed the 52k mark ... after package, filesystem, and io are loaded. and before ANY boot scripts, before text, shell, keyboard, term, ...etc

L2781[22:44:12] <sugoi> anyways, yeah, that's low

L2782[22:44:17] <greaser|q> i don't have package right now, just require

L2783[22:44:24] <gamax92> sugoi: where are these function() invoke end stuff?

L2784[22:44:25] <greaser|q> for component and filesystem i have metatables

L2785[22:44:35] <sugoi> gamax92: it was an example

L2786[22:44:39] <greaser|q> and functions to create more metatabled objects for wrapping and shit

L2787[22:44:40] <sugoi> i did simple function costs

L2788[22:44:58] <gamax92> sugoi: oh, so that's not an actual thing?

L2789[22:45:02] <sugoi> riht

L2790[22:45:04] <sugoi> right*

L2791[22:45:16] <gamax92> and i don't mean literally a function that does function(...) invoke(...) end, you know what I meant

L2792[22:45:21] <greaser|q> but yeah, hella metatable abuse, it's likely to thrash the living shit out of the GC though

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L2798[23:29:49] <sugoi> greaser|q: what are some of your reasons for so much meta?

L2799[23:30:02] <greaser|q> keeps the code size waaaaaaaay down

L2800[23:30:31] <sugoi> an if is an if, but i trust you mean what you say. care to give an example?

L2801[23:31:25] <sugoi> i, for example, use a meta table so i dont have to capture any upvalues

L2802[23:31:46] <sugoi> it's a little thing, but it adds up

L2803[23:32:16] <sugoi> in this case, i need the metatable anyways, so i might as well use the callback for the object

L2804[23:42:10] <sugoi> there isn't some type of local environment table is there?

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L2806[23:42:35] <sugoi> because that'd be pretty cool

L2807[23:43:43] <greaser|q> C=component; local function cwrap(addr) return setmetatable({},{__index=function(t,k)return function(...)return C.invoke(addr,k,...)end end,__call=function()return addr end})end; _G.component=setmetatable({},{__index=function(t,k)return C[k]or C.list(k)()end})

L2808[23:44:06] <greaser|q> not tested btw

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