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L1[00:00:12] <SoraFirestorm> (well, what used to be OpenComponents)

L2[00:00:12] <Kodos> OpenComponents? Wow, what version are you running?

L3[00:00:18] <Kodos> I was going to say

L4[00:00:22] <Kodos> That was integrated into OC ages ago

L5[00:00:28] <SoraFirestorm> yeah

L6[00:00:39] <Kodos> As far as OpenPeripheral.. I'm not sure that's even helpful to OC beyond one or two things

L7[00:00:43] <Kodos> I don't use it myself

L8[00:00:54] <SoraFirestorm> I kinda considered them separate pieces ther

L9[00:00:59] <SoraFirestorm> s/ther/there/

L10[00:01:00] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> I kinda considered them separate pieces there

L11[00:01:55] <SoraFirestorm> well,

L12[00:01:56] <SoraFirestorm> here

L13[00:02:29] <SoraFirestorm> http://pastebin.com/tTjLvg6c

L14[00:02:33] <SoraFirestorm> My modlist, more or less

L15[00:02:52] <Kodos> I'm working on a repeater construct atm that you can basically place every 350 blocks or so, and it'll relay network messages long distance

L16[00:02:54] * dangranos discovered that shift skips the dialogue scroll in undertale..

L17[00:02:54] <SoraFirestorm> anything in particular that Computronics will buy me in that list other than EnderIO

L18[00:03:26] <SoraFirestorm> Kodos: I wish I had the infrastructure to need that

L19[00:03:29] <SoraFirestorm> That sounds need

L20[00:03:34] <Kodos> http://wiki.vex.tty.sh/wiki:computronics

L21[00:03:53] <Kodos> Specifically, http://wiki.vex.tty.sh/wiki:computronics#blocks_from_other_mods

L22[00:03:53] <SoraFirestorm> right, I'll take a look

L23[00:03:59] *** Kasen is now known as rakiru|offline

L24[00:04:21] <SoraFirestorm> I don't have half of those mods :P

L25[00:04:38] <Kodos> Wouldn't hurt to check the components added by it, too

L26[00:04:43] <Kodos> I love my radar and chat box

L27[00:04:49] <Kodos> brb grabbing another coke

L28[00:05:01] <SoraFirestorm> dude, <3 chat boxen

L29[00:06:22] <dangranos> that greater doge is awesome

L30[00:07:24] <Kodos> Back, yeah chat box is great. I have software that is basically voice-reactive and can tell you various things depending on how you code it

L31[00:07:37] <Kodos> I call him Dave, or Data Analysis and Visualization Environment

L32[00:08:06] <Kodos> He can turn lights on, tell you how much energy is in your reactor, check the time (IRL or Ingame), and all sorts of other stuff

L33[00:08:28] <SoraFirestorm> That's pretty freakin awesome

L34[00:08:43] <Kodos> Yep, and you can even set it up to only work if you say it, or even work on a prefix trigger

L35[00:09:03] <Kodos> So you could talk to your buddies and not have him interact, but if you say 'Dave, can you open the door for Bob?', he'll open the door

L36[00:09:15] <SoraFirestorm> neat

L37[00:09:19] <Kodos> Because he can be coded to recognize 'Dave,' as his trigger

L38[00:09:51] <Kodos> And the way I have the software set up currently, you can have the same program work with other things too, like mag cards being swiped, motion detectors going off, etc

L39[00:09:58] <Kodos> Without interfering with his functinality

L40[00:10:00] <SoraFirestorm> sick

L41[00:10:02] <Kodos> +o

L42[00:10:20] <SoraFirestorm> s/functinality/functionality/

L43[00:10:21] <MichiBot> <Kodos> Without interfering with his functionality

L44[00:10:23] <dangranos> >dave

L45[00:10:27] <Kodos> I know

L46[00:10:30] <Kodos> I thought it was funny too

L47[00:10:36] <dangranos> inb4 you being called HAL by it

L48[00:10:52] <SoraFirestorm> It's been so long since I actually used the damn peripheral...

L49[00:10:59] <SoraFirestorm> which one was the one that did the voice?

L50[00:11:05] <dangranos> huh?

L51[00:11:13] <Kodos> That was MiscPeripherals iirc

L52[00:11:14] <SoraFirestorm> The only thing I remember is that it was a MiscPeripheral

L53[00:11:19] <SoraFirestorm> yeah

L54[00:11:25] <Kodos> One second. I actually have the source for that lying around, let me go look

L55[00:11:32] <SoraFirestorm> that was separate from the chatbox, right?

L56[00:12:32] <SoraFirestorm> I would definitely do computronics for the voice box

L57[00:12:46] <Kodos> It was just called "Speaker"

L58[00:12:57] <Kodos> 'Tronics only has the text chat box

L59[00:13:04] <Kodos> MaryTTS never got off the ground, iirc

L60[00:13:12] <SoraFirestorm> MaryTTS?

L61[00:13:29] <Kodos> Vex was going to add TTS to 'Tronics, but couldn't get MaryTTS working

L62[00:13:50] <SoraFirestorm> IIRC, MP used the system's local TTS system

L63[00:14:00] <SoraFirestorm> Which always worked fine for me on my Linux systems

L64[00:14:06] <SoraFirestorm> but apparently caused problems with other people

L65[00:14:15] *** gAway2002 is now known as g

L66[00:14:29] <Kodos> No idea. I just know that I have MP's src in my dropbox, given to me by RichardG himself

L67[00:14:48] <SoraFirestorm> I recall RG released the source publically

L68[00:15:50] <Kodos> Ah, so he did

L69[00:16:19] <SoraFirestorm> The top hit goes to a Mega download that is now stale

L70[00:16:38] <SoraFirestorm> But I found a Github repo which has the original source as the base commit

L71[00:18:07] <Kodos> Hm, how do you get power into a relay

L72[00:20:56] <Izaya> espeak always worked fine for me

L73[00:22:05] <SoraFirestorm> aha found it

L74[00:22:16] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, RG interfaced with a handful of TTS

L75[00:22:23] <SoraFirestorm> s/TTS/TTSes/

L76[00:22:25] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> yeah, RG interfaced with a handful of TTSes

L77[00:22:43] <SoraFirestorm> espeak, festival, google, osx, pico2wave, windows

L78[00:23:05] <SoraFirestorm> src/common/miscperipherals/speech/

L79[00:24:12] <SoraFirestorm> RG notes in the source that the Mac provider is broken

L80[00:24:58] <Kodos> I have no idea what I'm doing

L81[00:25:00] <Izaya> oh well not like anyone uses it anyway /s

L82[00:25:02] <Kodos> But this doesn't work or something

L83[00:25:17] <SoraFirestorm> Izaya: I certainly don't

L84[00:25:23] <SoraFirestorm> I am proud to be Apple-free

L85[00:25:30] <SoraFirestorm> So is the rest of my family, for that matter

L86[00:25:34] <SoraFirestorm> Thank God

L87[00:25:50] <SoraFirestorm> anyways

L88[00:25:58] <SoraFirestorm> Kodos: what doesn't work?

L89[00:26:00] * Kodos headdesks

L90[00:26:05] <Kodos> I'm trying to power a relay

L91[00:26:12] <Kodos> With a solar panel, a power converter, and a capacitor

L92[00:26:15] <Izaya> my mum is pretty against apple

L93[00:26:18] <Izaya> not even my doing

L94[00:26:19] <Kodos> The capacitor charges, but the relay doesn't get any power

L95[00:36:41] <Kodos> Now, let's see if I can teach myself how to use an unmanaged drive

L96[00:40:56] <Kodos> Nope

L97[00:44:20] <Kodos> I still wanna at some point get GC again, and program a drone to go through a stargate to a planet, collect information using the world sensor, and then come back through to transmit it to a server

L98[00:46:18] <SoraFirestorm> that sounds cool

L99[00:46:35] <Kodos> Which reminds me, I need to grab SGCraft again

L100[00:46:41] * Kodos sighs

L101[00:46:47] <Kodos> I should just boot my PC on onboard graphics and grab my instances

L102[00:46:48] <Kodos> Much easier

L103[00:48:12] <SoraFirestorm> what's wrong with your PC?

L104[00:48:19] <Kodos> My GPU died just before thanksgiving

L105[00:48:22] <Kodos> I've been using my wife's PC since

L106[00:48:24] <SoraFirestorm> ick

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L108[00:48:55] <Kodos> Ick indeed. And given my income, a new one isn't likely

L109[00:48:56] <MrWonderful2015> I just had an idea

L110[00:49:03] <Kodos> Do tell, MrWonderful2015

L111[00:49:16] <MrWonderful2015> gpu processing

L112[00:49:40] <MrWonderful2015> Have gpu be able to do non graphical processing

L113[00:49:51] <MrWonderful2015> make them very good at repitive tasks

L114[00:50:00] <SoraFirestorm> There's not really a point...

L115[00:50:10] <MrWonderful2015> yes there is

L116[00:50:11] <Kodos> Yeah, I'd need to hear a usecase

L117[00:50:28] <MrWonderful2015> Well in real life they are used all the time in cryptography

L118[00:50:29] <SoraFirestorm> The only thing I can think of is covered by the data card (whatever its called)

L119[00:50:36] <SoraFirestorm> We have a card for that in OC

L120[00:51:09] <MrWonderful2015> Yeah but what if you want to very quickly perform a very simple hash

L121[00:51:16] <MrWonderful2015> something like md5

L122[00:51:20] <SoraFirestorm> card

L123[00:51:22] <Kodos> Data card can do it

L124[00:51:27] <Kodos> There's even a program to do it

L125[00:51:28] <SoraFirestorm> or find a Lua implementation

L126[00:52:10] <MrWonderful2015> yeah but the idea is that certain types of calculations can be performed by the cpu instead of the gpu

L127[00:52:32] <MrWonderful2015> those types can be performed around 80-160 times faster than a cpu

L128[00:52:48] <SoraFirestorm> not worth it in an OC context imo

L129[00:52:50] <MrWonderful2015> An example of a real world use case is ocl hashcat

L130[00:53:03] <MrWonderful2015> oh well, just an idea I just ha

L131[00:53:04] <MrWonderful2015> d

L132[00:53:10] <MrWonderful2015> not really thought through

L133[00:53:36] <MrWonderful2015> and why wouldnt it be worth it in an OC contex

L134[00:53:47] <MrWonderful2015> it would give a unique programming challenge

L135[00:54:04] <MrWonderful2015> and give a very significant advantage for doing so

L136[00:54:27] <SoraFirestorm> It won't actually *do* anything to perf

L137[00:54:32] <dangranos> ^

L138[00:54:47] <SoraFirestorm> not unless you *actually* send it to a real GPU

L139[00:54:53] <SoraFirestorm> which is outside the scope of /any/ mod

L140[00:55:17] <SoraFirestorm> potato pototo here

L141[00:55:19] <greaser|q> i keep thinking md5 isn't parallelisable but i could be wrong

L142[00:55:36] <SoraFirestorm> doesn't matter if it is or isn't

L143[00:55:36] <greaser|q> AES, on the other hand... you can do that block by block if you have the right mode

L144[00:55:41] <greaser|q> actually it does

L145[00:55:52] <MrWonderful2015> it really does matter

L146[00:55:53] <SoraFirestorm> AES is also provided by the card, iirc

L147[00:56:10] <greaser|q> erm, i mean you can do the blocks in parallel for AES provided you have the right mode

L148[00:56:14] <greaser|q> e.g. CTR mode

L149[00:56:25] <SoraFirestorm> MrWonderful2015: doesn't matter in an OC context where everything is going to be run on the real-silicon CPU anyhow

L150[00:57:06] <MrWonderful2015> well you can allow commands to be sent to the gpu

L151[00:57:15] <SoraFirestorm> but that doesn't do you anything

L152[00:57:19] <SoraFirestorm> nothing at all

L153[00:57:22] <MrWonderful2015> it does them very slowly, but with extreme parrallel processing

L154[00:57:33] <SoraFirestorm> there is no parallel

L155[00:58:18] <MrWonderful2015> that is why gpu based processing would have a tangible advantage over cpu processing in some cases in game

L156[00:58:21] <SoraFirestorm> As far as I'm aware, each OC computer is essentially a coroutine

L157[00:59:09] <MrWonderful2015> would it be possible to give an OC computer multiple coroutines through an addon?

L158[00:59:24] <SoraFirestorm> probably

L159[00:59:38] <SoraFirestorm> I'm not even entirely sure that's how it works internally

L160[00:59:50] <MrWonderful2015> the gpu's could have maybe 20 couroutines but are insanely slow

L161[00:59:52] <SoraFirestorm> I know that's how ComputerCraft works internally

L162[00:59:59] <SoraFirestorm> But CC != OC

L163[01:00:11] <MrWonderful2015> why would that be pointless

L164[01:00:40] <SoraFirestorm> Creating the distinction within the game does not create a distinction on the real metal

L165[01:01:04] <SoraFirestorm> There's not really a way to limit the speed of a coroutine anyways

L166[01:01:18] <MrWonderful2015> yes there is

L167[01:01:31] <SoraFirestorm> If you need a 'multi-threaded' application in OC, just spin up as many coroutines as you want

L168[01:01:32] <MrWonderful2015> cpus have limitations on how fast they can make calls

L169[01:01:34] <SoraFirestorm> simple easy done

L170[01:01:54] <MrWonderful2015> 0.5 calls per second per tier

L171[01:02:18] <MrWonderful2015> give gpu's 30 couroutines, but make it 0.1 calls per second per tier

L172[01:03:28] <MrWonderful2015> maybe with a command like runGpu(command)

L173[01:04:06] <Kodos> Okay, so I'm stacking a raid and a rack vertically. I'm leaning towards the server rack on top, but I wanted everyone's opinion

L174[01:04:22] <SoraFirestorm> dunno

L175[01:04:31] <Kodos> I just mean for aesthetics

L176[01:04:35] <SoraFirestorm> I don't have an MC open right now and I don't feel like checking

L177[01:04:39] <SoraFirestorm> Kodos: yeah, I know

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L179[01:05:07] <SoraFirestorm> MrWonderful2015: coroutines are essentially free

L180[01:05:17] <SoraFirestorm> Your only limit is your memory

L181[01:05:39] <SoraFirestorm> You could spin up tons of coroutines on a high-end server

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L183[01:08:08] <Kodos> ~w hdd tutorial

L184[01:08:08] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/tutorial

L185[01:09:51] <SoraFirestorm> I'm starting to wonder if that was a purposeful troll or not

L186[01:10:26] <SoraFirestorm> or if my other party really didn't get why it would be pointless

L187[01:10:30] <Kodos> I love that you can prefix autorun.lua with a ., and it'll still work

L188[01:11:01] <Kodos> I'm glad I learned that trick :3

L189[01:13:31] <SoraFirestorm> Isn't that a behavior influenced from CC?

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L191[01:13:54] <Kodos> It's actually probably a real thing tbh

L192[01:14:03] <greaser|q> well yeah CC was a fun platform for making viruses for

L193[01:14:10] <Kodos> Regardless, being able to hide files from the standard dir/ls commands is great

L194[01:14:23] <MrWonderful2015> Yeah goes are used a lot for math heavy calculations

L195[01:14:40] <SoraFirestorm> the . thing is a Unix thing

L196[01:14:43] <MrWonderful2015> That can easily be divided into a ton of very simple instructions

L197[01:14:55] <MrWonderful2015> Modern goes have hundreds to thousands of cores

L198[01:14:56] <SoraFirestorm> But recognizing a dotted autorun is special behavior iirc

L199[01:15:01] <Kodos> Tell you what I'd really like. An EEPROM MCU program that will let me run a loop of code while a lever on the back of the MCU is flipped

L200[01:15:17] <MrWonderful2015> It is perfectly possible

L201[01:15:28] <greaser|q> also the ultimate way to hide files is to build a rootkit and shim the fs calls

L202[01:15:43] <MrWonderful2015> I wrote a micro controller program that is able to run code from a sign

L203[01:15:47] <SoraFirestorm> I'm still of the opinion that UCs should have a single external component available

L204[01:15:59] <MrWonderful2015> Can still be detected

L205[01:16:34] <Kodos> I don't need to 'hide' files per se, I just like that I can make them not visible in the regular dir

L206[01:16:36] <MrWonderful2015> Custom bios

L207[01:16:37] <Kodos> command

L208[01:16:57] <Kodos> Keeps visual bloat down when you have a ton of mini files for configs and other data you need stored

L209[01:17:00] <MrWonderful2015> It will prevent your average user from detecting it

L210[01:17:42] <SoraFirestorm> Most people that actually *use* CC/OC are by definition about average ;)

L211[01:17:48] <MrWonderful2015> To make it truly undetectable would require the implementing of memory and ssd failure

L212[01:17:55] <MrWonderful2015> Plus overclocking

L213[01:18:07] <SoraFirestorm> why would you need all those things?

L214[01:18:25] <MrWonderful2015> You overclock the cpu to give the roots it some processing power to play with

L215[01:19:02] <MrWonderful2015> you mark memory as bad so you can hide the root kit in it

L216[01:19:07] <MrWonderful2015> Do the same with ram

L217[01:19:27] <dangranos> well.. wouldn't say about CC

L218[01:19:32] <MrWonderful2015> Have it run at a lower level than the kernel

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L220[01:19:46] <SF-G3> You mean a 'rootkit'?

L221[01:20:00] <MrWonderful2015> Even formatting the hard drive wouldn't get rid of it

L222[01:20:04] <dangranos> ...

L223[01:20:19] <dangranos> just put it into bios/efi

L224[01:20:39] <MrWonderful2015> And if they remove the bios chip and put in a new one?

L225[01:20:58] <SF-G3> Anyone truly determined to find rootkits in OC will find them all

L226[01:21:14] <SF-G3> Easy

L227[01:21:16] <MrWonderful2015> And also how do you remotely install such a root kit

L228[01:21:33] <SF-G3> Keep the EEPROM code in memory

L229[01:21:45] <SF-G3> Flash it every so often

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L232[01:22:09] <SF-G3> Yay for crashing laptops btw

L233[01:22:35] <MrWonderful2015> Problem is that they can check free memory

L234[01:22:49] <greaser|q> MrWonderful2015: shim that ;)

L235[01:22:56] <SF-G3> Pretty much

L236[01:23:04] <MrWonderful2015> What do you mean by shim that

L237[01:23:08] <SF-G3> It's all of 4k max anyways

L238[01:23:25] <SF-G3> Not like people will notice on bigger machines

L239[01:23:39] <MrWonderful2015> I mean the ram that code you are remotely executing uses

L240[01:23:48] <MrWonderful2015> The root kit itself no

L241[01:23:54] <greaser|q> local s_get_memory = some_api.get_memory; function some_api.get_memory(...) return s_get_memory(...) - 1000 end

L242[01:24:13] <MrWonderful2015> We can't stop out of memory crashes

L243[01:24:24] <Kodos> Sure you can, download more

L244[01:24:24] <SF-G3> Pleeeease

L245[01:24:29] <MrWonderful2015> Or them physically checking how much ram they should have

L246[01:24:35] <dangranos> MrWonderful2015: hmm..

L247[01:24:40] <MrWonderful2015> And calculating it themselves

L248[01:24:43] <dangranos> a best solution would be:

L249[01:24:44] <SF-G3> They can't

L250[01:24:58] <greaser|q> yeah eventually the sandbox gets discovered through some form of hole

L251[01:24:58] <SF-G3> That's not possible with the tools they have

L252[01:25:07] <MrWonderful2015> You could write a program that repeatedly reads 1 byte

L253[01:25:08] <dangranos> put a wrapper into every bios there is

L254[01:25:15] <greaser|q> but you can at least make it hard

L255[01:25:15] <MrWonderful2015> Until it crashes

L256[01:25:20] <dangranos> that will push a code when you try to write into it

L257[01:25:27] <dangranos> that contains wrapper

L258[01:25:39] <dangranos> and don't let it to read it

L259[01:25:44] <greaser|q> of course if you want a plant job, you can just upgrade the RAM

L260[01:25:54] <MrWonderful2015> Well you can make it impossible to remove yes

L261[01:26:05] <greaser|q> as long as they don't open up the comp and look closely enough you're sorted

L262[01:26:08] <dangranos> or just make it incredibly annoying

L263[01:26:21] <MrWonderful2015> Then they will most certainly know

L264[01:26:35] <dangranos> greaser|q: you can add code that infects it every time you try to clean it

L265[01:26:45] <MrWonderful2015> Yeah

L266[01:26:56] <dangranos> and if you remove craft of default bios..

L267[01:26:59] <dangranos> hehehe

L268[01:27:10] <dangranos> welcome to NSA, minecraft edition

L269[01:27:19] <MrWonderful2015> But they will still know that there is a virus on the computer

L270[01:27:29] <dangranos> they won't be able to remove it

L271[01:27:49] <MrWonderful2015> Well they can remove the bios and hard drive

L272[01:27:52] <MrWonderful2015> Replace them both

L273[01:28:04] <greaser|q> i actually wrote one of the few not-shit CC viruses but mine's probably Gone Forever now

L274[01:28:11] <greaser|q> and i doubt anyone actually used it

L275[01:28:14] <greaser|q> but it was a proper quine

L276[01:28:15] <dangranos> with another infected bios, because every bios would be infected and there is no clean one

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L278[01:28:38] <SF-G3> I also don't see a point in viruses for OC

L279[01:28:41] <dangranos> ^

L280[01:28:42] <MrWonderful2015> You write the bios by hand on a non infected computer

L281[01:28:49] <SF-G3> Not unless it was some sort of RP

L282[01:29:04] <MrWonderful2015> Or in multiplayer pvp

L283[01:29:04] <dangranos> SF-G3: uh? oh

L284[01:29:09] <dangranos> or that

L285[01:29:20] <SF-MC> or if you wanted to keep your break-in super covert

L286[01:29:22] <dangranos> disrupting enemy's bases..

L287[01:29:25] <Kodos> If you really wanna 'pvp' with OC, just do what I'm going to do

L288[01:29:34] <Kodos> Have an MCU packet flood when a redstone signal is applied

L289[01:29:43] <SF-MC> MrWonderful2015: more effective to just nuke the place

L290[01:29:45] <SF-MC> seriously

L291[01:29:48] <SF-MC> less work probably to

L292[01:29:50] <greaser|q> wait, what IS an MCU packet flood

L293[01:29:51] <MrWonderful2015> Out rootkit on computer that remote controls their base

L294[01:29:53] <dangranos> SF-MC: too loud

L295[01:30:03] <dangranos> better to do it quetly

L296[01:30:18] <Kodos> greaser|q: I'm probably an idiot with terminology, but basically you have an MCU constantly broadcasting on as many ports as you can get open

L297[01:30:34] <greaser|q> define "MCU"

L298[01:30:35] <SF-MC> nah, decently acurate

L299[01:30:38] <Kodos> I have a program I'm working on, that checks ports for activity

L300[01:30:38] <SF-MC> microcontroller

L301[01:30:47] <MrWonderful2015> Why not just use ping

L302[01:30:49] <Kodos> Basically it'll open some odd ports for 30 seconds at a time

L303[01:31:01] <Kodos> MrWonderful2015: because that's part of Plan9k, and I don't use that

L304[01:31:03] <MrWonderful2015> Ping them with insanely large amounts of data

L305[01:31:09] <dangranos> ...

L306[01:31:16] <MrWonderful2015> Network floppy

L307[01:31:19] <dangranos> ping is part of high-level networking

L308[01:31:21] <MrWonderful2015> Comes with ping

L309[01:31:25] <dangranos> ._.

L310[01:31:27] <dangranos> man

L311[01:31:39] <Kodos> Besides, don't you have to know their address to ping them?

L312[01:31:42] <SF-MC> I'd be surprised if any 'real' OC network installations use the provided network stack

L313[01:31:43] <MrWonderful2015> Yeah but they are will always be listening for ping

L314[01:31:44] <dangranos> he is talking about networking outside of that protocol

L315[01:31:47] <SF-MC> I'd write my own

L316[01:31:51] <dangranos> SF-MC: there is one

L317[01:32:04] <dangranos> network floppy iirc has some kind of network stack

L318[01:32:08] <dangranos> oh

L319[01:32:18] * dangranos misread the message

L320[01:32:23] <SF-MC> right

L321[01:32:26] <SF-MC> that's what I'm saying

L322[01:32:36] <MrWonderful2015> So you have multiple computers send enough ping packets that are large enough that the target computer runs out of ram

L323[01:32:43] <dangranos> MrWonderful2015: question

L324[01:32:45] <SF-MC> I think it would be dumb to use that stack in a hostile environment

L325[01:32:45] <greaser|q> IIRC OC's network functionality is basically UDP but the packets are sent as args rather than having to be just one string

L326[01:32:50] <dangranos> WHAT IF THEY DONT HAVE THE NETWORK STACK

L327[01:33:04] <Kodos> Well

L328[01:33:08] <Kodos> My idea floods the relay, so it can't get message

L329[01:33:09] <Kodos> s

L330[01:33:10] <dangranos> the one in floppy

L331[01:33:10] <SF-MC> try to find known used ports and flood

L332[01:33:18] <Kodos> So I don't even need the ports they're using

L333[01:33:23] <Kodos> You're all overthinking it, imo

L334[01:33:29] <dangranos> ^

L335[01:33:31] <SF-MC> this assumes they are using relays

L336[01:33:40] <SF-MC> which may not be the case in some topologies

L337[01:33:43] <dangranos> SF-MC: who doesn't?

L338[01:34:18] <Kodos> Don't you need a wifi relay to get wireless messages, or can a computer with a WNC get them

L339[01:34:19] <MrWonderful2015> But how can you find used ports given that networking is up not tcp

L340[01:34:20] <SF-MC> ah

L341[01:34:36] <SF-MC> damn

L342[01:34:43] <SF-MC> it's not smart to /not/ use a relay

L343[01:34:48] * SF-MC is corrected

L344[01:35:17] <MrWonderful2015> Well you can also spam their screen with error messages

L345[01:35:17] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

L346[01:35:19] <Kodos> But yeah, I'm gonna do a microcontroller that just floods the relay constantly

L347[01:35:19] <dangranos> MrWonderful2015: throw the hell out that "tcp" word, there is no such thing in OC

L348[01:35:30] <SF-MC> Kodos: WNC equiped systems can get them directly

L349[01:35:45] <Kodos> Even better, that'd still flood them directly

L350[01:35:47] <dangranos> Kodos: with random noise?

L351[01:35:49] <Kodos> Sure

L352[01:35:51] <Kodos> Also, neat trick

L353[01:35:54] <Kodos> Give a linked card to a relay

L354[01:35:57] <SF-MC> wired modems indirectly via said relay

L355[01:36:03] <Kodos> You can have networks linked between dimensions, not just single computers

L356[01:36:10] <SF-MC> you can do that?

L357[01:36:11] <SF-MC> damn

L358[01:36:12] <Kodos> Yup

L359[01:36:14] <SF-MC> doing that when I do that

L360[01:36:21] <Kodos> >doing that when I do th at

L361[01:36:22] <SF-MC> I would have done it like that anyways

L362[01:36:32] <MrWonderful2015> Well don't rely on linked cards for security

L363[01:36:34] <SF-MC> just that the relays would have been the PCs

L364[01:36:45] <SF-MC> MrWonderful2015: why not?

L365[01:36:52] <MrWonderful2015> Not data can be modified

L366[01:36:56] <SF-MC> afaik no way to crack them

L367[01:37:26] <Kodos> I still want to know how to properly use the networking connection lines in a rack GUI effectively

L368[01:37:30] <Kodos> Use case, etc

L369[01:37:30] <dangranos> unless they were compromised

L370[01:37:41] <dangranos> as in, someone replaced one or took one

L371[01:37:52] <Kodos> Is there a way to prevent someone from opening a case's GUI?

L372[01:37:58] <SF-MC> ownership?

L373[01:38:13] <MrWonderful2015> If you know the nbt data of one, you can make one that matches it

L374[01:38:19] <SF-MC> only owners can do things like that to a PC IIRC

L375[01:38:28] <SF-MC> MrWonderful2015: such things require cheating

L376[01:38:30] <dangranos> MrWonderful2015: cheating, possible admin-only

L377[01:38:36] <Kodos> I wonder if you can hopper out components

L378[01:38:42] <dangranos> Kodos: heh

L379[01:38:42] <SF-MC> lol

L380[01:39:15] <MrWonderful2015> There are some exploits that let you modify nbt data if you have a mod that lets you move tile entities

L381[01:39:19] <Kodos> As far as ownership goes, I'm testing a few theories now

L382[01:39:23] <greaser|q> hmm, i wonder if you can do an encrypted subleq VM

L383[01:39:30] <Kodos> Just saved game and exited on my wife's account, time to go offline as me

L384[01:39:33] <SF-MC> subleq?

L385[01:39:48] <SF-MC> please expand

L386[01:39:52] <greaser|q> it's a form of one instruction computer, usually gets referred to as OISC

L387[01:40:02] <SF-MC> One Instruction?

L388[01:40:05] <Kodos> That reminds me, I still have to get a picture off of my phone

L389[01:40:05] <greaser|q> yep

L390[01:40:11] <SF-MC> ok

L391[01:40:18] <Kodos> My brother drove me to an electrical substation the other day, and I got a picture of their SCADA panel

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L393[01:40:35] <dangranos> security co-computer?

L394[01:40:37] <greaser|q> although it might be better to just go with an ARM or MIPS VM and decrypt one crypto block at a time

L395[01:40:54] <Kodos> SCADA, supervisory control and data acquisition

L396[01:41:19] * dangranos saw the video about security of PS3

L397[01:41:29] <dangranos> that was impressive

L398[01:41:31] <SF-G3> All this discussion ought to serve as a valuable lesson -

L399[01:41:41] <MrWonderful2015> What is that lesson

L400[01:41:43] <dangranos> .-.

L401[01:41:59] <SF-G3> Do your important computing on a non-networked host :P

L402[01:42:35] <MrWonderful2015> Well even then there are ways to hack such a machine

L403[01:42:50] <MrWonderful2015> Do they have an Internet card

L404[01:43:00] <MrWonderful2015> Do they have a t2 red stone card

L405[01:43:08] <SF-G3> That requires physical access pretty much

L406[01:43:19] <MrWonderful2015> Not for those two I told you

L407[01:43:32] <MrWonderful2015> Internet card it is pretty obvious

L408[01:43:34] <Kodos> T2 Redstone supports WRCBE and the like

L409[01:43:55] <MrWonderful2015> T2 network card supports some types of wireless red stone

L410[01:44:02] <Kodos> I've made a program that literally went through like 10 WRCBE channels and turned them all on

L411[01:44:05] <Kodos> 10k*

L412[01:44:12] <SF-G3> I'd not use wireless rs in security focused applications

L413[01:44:25] <MrWonderful2015> Would you use http

L414[01:44:35] <SF-G3> No

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L416[01:44:42] <Kodos> SF-G3: Even in non-security applications, someone meddling with your wireless redstone can cause problems

L417[01:44:45] <SF-G3> Direct wired redstone

L418[01:45:27] <SF-MC> awww

L419[01:45:30] <MrWonderful2015> Then there is always the question of physical security and social engineering

L420[01:45:37] <SF-MC> my performance is worse without Optifine :(

L421[01:45:45] <dangranos> >optifine

L422[01:45:46] <SF-MC> true

L423[01:45:54] <SF-MC> dangranos: yeah, I know I know

L424[01:46:15] <MrWonderful2015> "Accidentally" leave a supposedly secret and sensitive file that makes your target curious

L425[01:46:33] <dangranos> with autorun

L426[01:46:34] <MrWonderful2015> They put it int heir computer to read it and they get a virus

L427[01:46:59] <SF-MC> it runs playably without Optifine though

L428[01:47:07] <dangranos> bonus: actually add some info on the disk

L429[01:47:22] <MrWonderful2015> Also even wired redstone can be accessed remotely

L430[01:47:24] <dangranos> and hide autorun with some wrapping magic

L431[01:47:29] <Kodos> Or just dot it

L432[01:47:37] <SF-MC> iirc there is a way to prevent autorun from running

L433[01:47:48] <MrWonderful2015> Wireless redstone has an item that can be thrown that activates redstone

L434[01:47:53] <greaser|q> do you hold shift or something like that

L435[01:48:02] <SF-MC> idk tbh

L436[01:48:06] <greaser|q> i recall that was the shortcut on macs to enter maintenance mode

L437[01:48:13] <greaser|q> or some shit like that

L438[01:48:23] <dangranos> SF-MC: in /etc?

L439[01:48:31] <dangranos> nobody configures openos

L440[01:48:40] <MrWonderful2015> Also if it mass numbers of computers fork bombing themselves

L441[01:48:45] <SF-MC> I would

L442[01:48:47] <MrWonderful2015> Can take up all the threads

L443[01:48:51] <SF-MC> for tight security stuff

L444[01:48:51] <dangranos> SF-MC: oh rly?

L445[01:48:58] <MrWonderful2015> Freezing all the computers

L446[01:49:03] <dangranos> so, if you would need an another computer in your base..

L447[01:49:19] <MrWonderful2015> Potentially stopping many secure systems

L448[01:49:19] <dangranos> another to few dozens others

L449[01:49:25] <dangranos> hm

L450[01:49:27] <MrWonderful2015> By just freezing them

L451[01:49:27] <dangranos> no wait

L452[01:49:39] <MrWonderful2015> Some systems might fail open

L453[01:49:45] <dangranos> you would have a own configured os floppy by then..

L454[01:49:51] <dangranos> if not own OS and BIOS

L455[01:49:53] <MrWonderful2015> Impossible to stop

L456[01:50:08] <SF-MC> MrWonderful2015: OC has guards for that

L457[01:50:10] <dangranos> okaaay

L458[01:50:13] <MrWonderful2015> Like what

L459[01:50:18] <SF-MC> It will kill misbehaving PCs

L460[01:50:20] <dangranos> MrWonderful2015: they are not running in same thread

L461[01:50:23] <dangranos> iirc?

L462[01:50:34] <SF-MC> There are a couple threads

L463[01:50:36] <dangranos> there is some magic that doesn't lets to do that

L464[01:50:37] <MrWonderful2015> We build a ton of computers to use up all the threads

L465[01:50:41] <dangranos> no

L466[01:50:43] <SF-MC> How many depends on local configuration

L467[01:50:54] <MrWonderful2015> What happens if there is more computers than threads?

L468[01:50:58] <dangranos> MrWonderful2015: you'll get attention of admins

L469[01:51:17] <dangranos> wai

L470[01:51:19] <dangranos> hm

L471[01:51:24] <MrWonderful2015> Yeah but this is on a server I own where almost anything goes

L472[01:51:24] * dangranos pokes Sangar

L473[01:51:26] <SF-MC> because that kinda interferres with the servers operation

L474[01:51:33] <dangranos> ^

L475[01:51:50] <MrWonderful2015> Refer to what I said above

L476[01:51:56] <MrWonderful2015> I own the server tha

L477[01:52:06] <MrWonderful2015> and stuff like that is ok on my server

L478[01:52:08] <dangranos> OC is better than CC in terms of "freeze all computers"

L479[01:52:15] <MrWonderful2015> I agree

L480[01:52:22] <dangranos> as in, it doesn't works

L481[01:52:28] <MrWonderful2015> But it is still possible to at least slow them down

L482[01:52:32] <dangranos> or if it does.. that's would be the server lagging

L483[01:52:38] <SF-MC> yeah

L484[01:53:02] <MrWonderful2015> What if I build a hundred t3 computers and have them all do activities that max out the cup

L485[01:53:06] <MrWonderful2015> CPU

L486[01:53:16] <SF-MC> you have a laggy-ass server

L487[01:53:18] <dangranos> ^

L488[01:53:22] <SF-MC> that's pretty much it

L489[01:53:24] <Kodos> If not a dead one

L490[01:53:26] <dangranos> ^

L491[01:53:30] <Kodos> IIRC BTM was shitting out because of that

L492[01:53:31] <greaser|q> where can i get a laggy ass-server

L493[01:53:45] <dangranos> greaser|q: *insert some joke here*

L494[01:53:48] <MrWonderful2015> The hundred was an exaggeration

L495[01:53:53] <SF-MC> *sigh* the relavent xkcd again

L496[01:54:02] <dangranos> SF-MC: huh?

L497[01:54:06] <SF-MC> s/relavent/revalent/

L498[01:54:07] <MichiBot> <SF-MC> *sigh* the revalent xkcd again

L499[01:54:10] <MrWonderful2015> The point being that there is more computers than threads

L500[01:54:21] <dangranos> isn't it "relevant"?

L501[01:54:25] <MrWonderful2015> In which case I presume that threads are shared

L502[01:54:29] <MrWonderful2015> Is that right

L503[01:54:33] <greaser|q> it's relivent

L504[01:54:41] <greaser|q> wait

L505[01:54:45] <greaser|q> it's rellyvint

L506[01:54:54] <SF-MC> https://xkcd.com/37/

L507[01:54:55] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: Hyphen Posted on: 1/1/2006

L508[01:54:56] <dangranos> badum-ts

L509[01:55:12] <SF-MC> dangranos: that

L510[01:55:25] <MrWonderful2015> Lol

L511[01:55:26] <dangranos> badum ass-ts

L512[01:55:34] <SF-MC> classy

L513[01:55:41] <SF-MC> brb re-enabling optifine

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L515[01:55:47] <dangranos> we lost him

L516[01:56:12] <Izaya> game crashed/10

L517[01:56:45] <dangranos> 11 game crashes/10

L518[01:56:47] <MrWonderful2015> What if 5 computers execute commands at the same time

L519[01:56:51] <greaser|q> funny you should say that, my comp is freezing a lot as it's picking up bad sectors to attempt to download

L520[01:56:59] <MrWonderful2015> With only 4 worker threads

L521[01:57:02] <dangranos> MrWonderful2015: define what the fuck is "command"?

L522[01:57:24] <SF-G3> Game did not crash btw :P

L523[01:57:26] <MrWonderful2015> Any function or line of code that requires a worker thread

L524[01:57:49] <SF-G3> Nothing 'requires' a worker function

L525[01:57:49] <v^> MrWonderful2015, it just waits in the queue? im confused on the question

L526[01:57:56] <dangranos> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/58de9015c3e6fe1792b0adeb15c32f2df58ab4b7/src/main/resources/application.conf#L111

L527[01:57:57] <SF-G3> The premise is flawed

L528[01:57:58] <MrWonderful2015> Yeah

L529[01:58:05] <v^> multiple VMs can run in the same worker thread

L530[01:58:44] <dangranos> notice comment on 121-125

L531[01:58:52] <dangranos> specifically states about lockdown

L532[01:58:54] <MrWonderful2015> So if we use up enough worker threads by having a ton of computers run pointless code we can effectively dodos a computer with no network

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L534[01:59:16] <dangranos> you'll ddos the server

L535[01:59:20] <dangranos> *dos

L536[01:59:21] <v^> ^

L537[01:59:33] <dangranos> it's not even distributed, actually

L538[01:59:46] <MrWonderful2015> 5 computers running code won't dos the server

L539[02:00:34] <MrWonderful2015> It is entirely possible on a server for someone's computer to be slightly slowed down by mistake if 4 other people happen to be executing a function at the same time

L540[02:00:40] <dangranos> they won't lock out others

L541[02:00:49] <MrWonderful2015> Why

L542[02:00:56] * dangranos sighs

L543[02:00:58] <MrWonderful2015> What would happen instead

L544[02:01:02] <dangranos> look at what v^ said

L545[02:01:15] <dangranos> <+v^> multiple VMs can run in the same worker thread

L546[02:01:15] <SF-MC> it slows down

L547[02:01:20] <dangranos> slightly

L548[02:01:20] <MrWonderful2015> Yes they can

L549[02:01:25] <dangranos> not noticeably

L550[02:01:37] <dangranos> 4 threads is default, right?

L551[02:01:50] <MrWonderful2015> But if you do this at a big enough scale, you can make their computer unusable

L552[02:02:04] <SF-MC> at which point

L553[02:02:05] <dangranos> have you ever noticed slowdown on servers that isn't global server lag?

L554[02:02:08] <SF-MC> honestly

L555[02:02:13] <SF-MC> people will stop using computers

L556[02:02:23] <Kodos> Or server host will ban you for being a shitter

L557[02:02:26] <dangranos> ^

L558[02:02:32] <SF-MC> so then there will be noone to attack

L559[02:02:34] <MrWonderful2015> I will ban myself?

L560[02:02:39] <SF-MC> back to physical methods

L561[02:02:39] <dangranos> oh fuck

L562[02:02:47] <Kodos> If you're the host and you're being an asshole to others, no one will want to play with you

L563[02:02:52] <dangranos> ^

L564[02:02:54] <SF-MC> ^

L565[02:02:55] <dangranos> this

L566[02:03:04] <dangranos> fck those kind of admins

L567[02:03:19] <MrWonderful2015> It isn't really a public server for that reason

L568[02:03:29] <Kodos> And honestly, just from watching the last 15 minutes of your conversation, I already don't want to play with you, because you seem like a bit of a moron, and an asshole. Sorry to break the channel rules, but yeah

L569[02:03:44] <dangranos> >channel rules

L570[02:03:48] <dangranos> we have those?

L571[02:03:55] <SF-MC> I was about to say

L572[02:03:58] <Kodos> Yeah, rule 4 or something is be courteous to others

L573[02:03:59] <SF-MC> which rules?

L574[02:04:01] <Kodos> Link's in the topic

L575[02:04:03] <dangranos> i mean, they are actually used?

L576[02:04:08] <Kodos> Yes, quite often

L577[02:04:19] <MrWonderful2015> Honestly I've never done that

L578[02:04:47] <dangranos> i hear "yet"

L579[02:05:07] <greaser|q> better to be a theoretical arsehole than to put it into practice

L580[02:05:09] <sugoi> Kodos: you use openos?

L581[02:05:14] <Kodos> Usually, yes

L582[02:05:21] <Kodos> I want to learn how to use P9K tho

L583[02:05:30] <SF-MC> for the most part, most people just use OpenOS

L584[02:05:41] <sugoi> ok, i got something working bash-like

L585[02:05:43] <MrWonderful2015> I find it interesting to find ways to break systems but I do not enjoy making others upset

L586[02:05:49] <greaser|q> how much compat do OpenOS and P9K have appwise

L587[02:05:55] <dangranos> greaser|q: uh..

L588[02:05:56] <sugoi> it wasn't bad - but, it ....

L589[02:05:59] <SF-MC> mostly?

L590[02:06:01] <SF-MC> idk

L591[02:06:02] <dangranos> some?

L592[02:06:14] <dangranos> none in P9K-to-OOS

L593[02:06:14] <sugoi> Kodos: so, imagine os.execute("cd /path/foo/bar")

L594[02:06:24] <Kodos> sugoi: I've never used anything but a Windows PC, what little experience I have with Linux has been the Ubuntu I have on my netbook that's only been there since July, and I've only used to go on Weechat and to code in nano

L595[02:06:52] <sugoi> Kodos: fair enough -- my concern is how this bashness effects existing api

L596[02:06:55] <sugoi> such as os.execute

L597[02:06:55] <greaser|q> Kodos: i hope i can convince you to get hooked on vim

L598[02:07:04] <SF-MC> nonono Emacs! :P

L599[02:07:11] <Kodos> greaser|q: I looked at it, tried it once, and the way that commands and such are used, it was confusing for me

L600[02:07:22] <Kodos> Honestly, most of my coding is either done in NP++ or Atom

L601[02:07:25] <greaser|q> SF-MC: the second best text editor in the world, just behind vim ;)

L602[02:07:33] <sugoi> Kodos: i'm about to go to bed, i just want some short feedback. the thing is, os.execute() creates a new 'shell' to execute the command

L603[02:07:34] <SF-MC> :P

L604[02:07:43] <greaser|q> Kodos: don't wait until you're forced to use it due to RSI, you'll regret having not learnt it earlier

L605[02:07:52] <Kodos> RSI?

L606[02:07:54] <sugoi> so imagine, ... in windows cmd something like cmd /c cd foo/bar

L607[02:07:55] <Kodos> You have to speak English

L608[02:08:01] <greaser|q> repetitive strain injury

L609[02:08:07] <sugoi> everyone stop talking to Kodos !

L610[02:08:08] <SF-MC> carpal tunnel and junk

L611[02:08:10] <sugoi> i need his feedback

L612[02:08:12] <greaser|q> honestly it's something used in normal person english

L613[02:08:15] <sugoi> :)

L614[02:08:18] <Kodos> sugoi: I'm quite skilled at having multiple conversations, continue

L615[02:08:26] <sugoi> haha, ok ok fair enough

L616[02:08:42] <greaser|q> on unix systems it's usually cmd -c, or cmd --cflag

L617[02:08:49] <greaser|q> i say unix because i'm on freebsd right now

L618[02:08:50] <sugoi> so in windows, `cmd /c foo bar` in a cmd window would execute foo bar in a child cmd process, and return

L619[02:08:52] <Izaya> it's too peaceful here

L620[02:08:55] <Izaya> vim > emacs

L621[02:08:56] <Kodos> greaser|q: if you can find a WRITTEN (I hate videos) tutorial that a 12 year old could use to learn it, I will give it another shot

L622[02:08:59] <sugoi> os.execute (and shell.execute for that matter) do the same

L623[02:09:08] <SF-MC> s/>/</

L624[02:09:19] <SF-MC> s/\>/\</

L625[02:09:24] <SF-MC> oops

L626[02:09:25] <MrWonderful2015> And to be real if there is no way of remotely sending any signals to the target machine, there is no real way of hacking it besides social engineering and physical security

L627[02:09:26] <sugoi> but now i've corrected openos shell variables and state - so, something like os.execute("cd path") would NOT change the path of the parent process

L628[02:09:26] <Kodos> s/>/</g

L629[02:09:26] <MichiBot> <Izaya> vim < emacs

L630[02:09:32] <SF-MC> aha

L631[02:09:42] <greaser|q> Kodos: the australian APC magazine has a i think 18 part tutorial on linux itself (i think it's even on its website), or are you asking about vim?

L632[02:09:48] <MrWonderful2015> But then again there are situations where you NEED remote access

L633[02:09:52] <Kodos> greaser|q: vim

L634[02:09:53] <sugoi> >cd path -- this does, from the command line, it isn't spawning a new shell to execute this

L635[02:10:02] <Kodos> I'm perfectly happy with what I can already do in Linux

L636[02:10:04] <greaser|q> izaya, i am NOT untangling your fingers when they get jammed up

L637[02:10:19] <MrWonderful2015> I believe the path environmental variable is $PATH

L638[02:10:29] <greaser|q> Kodos: find a file called vimqrc.pdf, it's a 2-page guide to most of the keystrokes

L639[02:10:30] <sugoi> Kodos: the point is, is someone is trying to change alias or env vars via os.execute, it'll no longer work

L640[02:10:42] <sugoi> any thoughts?

L641[02:10:45] <greaser|q> Kodos: print it off, learn bits at a time

L642[02:10:53] <sugoi> this is correct behavior, just pointing out, it can break existing scripts

L643[02:10:58] <Izaya> greaser|q, better to have tangled fingers than not enough fingers to use the editor :D

L644[02:11:03] <MrWonderful2015> I would recommend Debian as opposed to Ubuntu

L645[02:11:05] <SF-MC> sugoi: that is the Right Thing afaic

L646[02:11:06] <Kodos> Well, why was it changing the parent in the first place?

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L648[02:11:17] <greaser|q> Izaya: for vim you only need two fingers ;)

L649[02:11:21] <SF-MC> Kodos: guessing it wasn't a fork

L650[02:11:30] <Izaya> greaser|q, I'm arguing for emacs

L651[02:11:31] <sugoi> Kodos: it was changing the parent in openos 1.5, legacy "hack", to be honest

L652[02:11:32] <Izaya> wat

L653[02:11:33] <Izaya> no

L654[02:11:36] <Izaya> I'm arguing for vim

L655[02:11:38] <Izaya> fuck I need coffee

L656[02:11:53] <SF-MC> lolololololol

L657[02:12:06] <Kodos> sugoi: I'd say run it by Sanger and see what he thinks, but I'm all for fixing stuff. I don't use execute usually so none of my stuff will break

L658[02:12:14] <dangranos> <Izaya> greaser|q, I'm arguing for emacs

L659[02:12:17] <dangranos> i'll save that

L660[02:12:26] <SF-MC> hahahahahaha

L661[02:12:30] <Izaya> dangranos, save the next 4 lines

L662[02:12:34] <Izaya> otherwise that's shady as

L663[02:12:38] <Kodos> greaser|q: any chance you know where to find that pdf?

L664[02:12:42] <sugoi> Kodos: will do, had planned to. just felt like getting feelers. he's been quite supportive so far

L665[02:12:43] <Kodos> I can get it on my Kindle and read it

L666[02:12:46] <Izaya> but anyway

L667[02:12:49] <dangranos> Izaya: phahaha, no

L668[02:12:50] <Izaya> emacs is a half-decent OS

L669[02:13:02] <Izaya> and it even has a half-good editor with evil mode

L670[02:13:06] <greaser|q> yeah, it's great if you're a pianist

L671[02:13:07] <SF-MC> why would you want to use an editor you couldn't read your mail in?

L672[02:13:10] <SF-MC> or do irc in?

L673[02:13:11] <SF-MC> :P

L674[02:13:17] <Kodos> Frankly, I want to do like Shuu and make my own offshoot of OpenOS, but I haven't a clue where to start

L675[02:13:18] <greaser|q> although probably more a jazz pianist

L676[02:13:26] <MrWonderful2015> You can do both of those in terminal

L677[02:13:35] <SF-MC> oddly enough

L678[02:13:36] <dangranos> greaser|q: that plays overly fast songs

L679[02:13:43] <SF-MC> That's something I find that Emacs *sucks* at

L680[02:13:47] <sugoi> Kodos: what kind of features would you like to develop? or, just as a fun challenge?

L681[02:13:48] <MrWonderful2015> I do that a lot

L682[02:13:49] <Izaya> SF-MC, nvim soon

L683[02:13:53] <SF-MC> render speed for its emulated terminals are attrocious

L684[02:14:06] <dangranos> eh?

L685[02:14:06] <SF-MC> otherwise I would just Emacs 24/7

L686[02:14:09] <MrWonderful2015> No rendering

L687[02:14:20] <greaser|q> Kodos: some wimps want a GUI, instead of writing another semi-unix attempt you might as well try that

L688[02:14:20] <MrWonderful2015> Text only

L689[02:14:33] <Kodos> sugoi: Mostly just customizing what things look like when they happen. Startup, motd, etc, with some added functionality in the default libs without having to have my own, or even making new libs for stuff that's missing and have them be default.

L690[02:14:33] <dangranos> SF-MC: seems fine for me

L691[02:14:39] <MrWonderful2015> Do you need graphics for email or irc?

L692[02:14:47] <Izaya> MrWonderful2015, you misunderstand

L693[02:14:53] <dangranos> i just run ncmpcpp in it's terminal

L694[02:14:58] <dangranos> turned on equalizer

L695[02:14:59] <MrWonderful2015> What did you mean

L696[02:15:03] <Kodos> I need graphics in my email for when my wife sends me dirty pictures

L697[02:15:05] <Izaya> emacs has to process the terminal escape codes

L698[02:15:09] <Izaya> and 'render' it in a frame

L699[02:15:12] <MrWonderful2015> Ah

L700[02:15:15] <Izaya> despite it being all text

L701[02:15:27] <SF-MC> Emacs is not fast at it

L702[02:15:30] <Kodos> iirc term has windwos that do that now, Izaya

L703[02:15:31] <dangranos> Kodos: use thunderbird

L704[02:15:53] <greaser|q> i thoroughly recommend thunderbird for people who are having issues with outlook

L705[02:16:07] <SF-MC> Thunderbird is probably the best desktop client

L706[02:16:10] <dangranos> greaser|q: is that a bad or good thing?

L707[02:16:12] <greaser|q> after all, at least thunderbird autodetects the SMTP+POP3 servers

L708[02:16:16] <dangranos> SF-MC: they dropped it

L709[02:16:16] <sugoi> Kodos: do you like how rc starts on real systems?

L710[02:16:29] <Izaya> it's too peaceful here

L711[02:16:32] <Izaya> systemd > sysvinit

L712[02:16:34] <greaser|q> honestly, email as it is can't hurry up and die fast enough

L713[02:16:36] <SF-MC> lol

L714[02:16:42] <SF-MC> I don't care honestly

L715[02:16:51] <greaser|q> Izaya: good luck finding where the unit files are from the documentation

L716[02:16:54] <MrWonderful2015> It is great that thunder bird supports encrypted emails

L717[02:16:54] <sugoi> Kodos: https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ0DSWQJSb1d1DZd-teM32PomPlYaeJRomatmcWvV35Ia3ahAuo

L718[02:16:55] <SF-MC> What I /will/ say

L719[02:16:57] <Kodos> sugoi: I had no idea what RC was before OC

L720[02:17:01] <dangranos> On December 1, 2015, Mozilla Chairperson, Mitchell Baker, announced in a company-wide memo that Thunderbird needs to be uncoupled from Firefox. She referred to Thunderbird as paying a tax on Firefox and said that she does not believe Thunderbird has the potential for "industry-wide impact" that Firefox does.

L721[02:17:05] <SF-MC> ED IS THE STANDARD EDITOR

L722[02:17:05] <Izaya> I start my computer once a week, it probably doesn't matter

L723[02:17:08] <greaser|q> i mean that's kinda important and if you're writing docs you should probably make that really fucking obvious

L724[02:17:20] <greaser|q> SF-MC: not if you work for fedora

L725[02:17:26] <Kodos> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/OpenOS/lib/term.lua#L136-L182

L726[02:17:28] <greaser|q> erm, for redhat, on fedora

L727[02:17:28] <SF-MC> what is it then?

L728[02:17:31] <SF-MC> seriously?

L729[02:17:34] <greaser|q> probably gedit

L730[02:17:35] <sugoi> Kodos: well, openos's rc is really nothing like the real thing. forgive the img for ants there, but i have some pretty upgrades for rc i'm working on, similar to that

L731[02:17:38] <sugoi> it'll change boot look

L732[02:17:45] <greaser|q> had to bootstrap my new HDD with CRUX using a Fedora 16 livecd

L733[02:17:47] <SF-MC> ed is still the standard editor :P

L734[02:17:57] <greaser|q> had to use firefox to grab the fucking iso because the dipshits didn't provide wget

L735[02:17:57] <dangranos> how is that magic works

L736[02:18:09] <Kodos> sugoi: As long as you make it so that it's easier for me to write a program and use it with rc

L737[02:18:09] <dangranos> ed i mean

L738[02:18:12] <Kodos> easier than it is now, anyway

L739[02:18:14] <SF-MC> don't provide wget?

L740[02:18:17] <Kodos> atm, I have no idea what I'm doing

L741[02:18:17] <SF-MC> what about curl?

L742[02:18:21] <Izaya> ed is easy enough to use

L743[02:18:47] <dangranos> ah

L744[02:18:49] <sugoi> Kodos: well, for me it'll be easier because i know real rc. but -- you're not the first to ask that (like the 5th, tbh)

L745[02:18:52] <Izaya> it has no insane modifier key combos after all

L746[02:19:07] <greaser|q> they probably forgot to include curl as well

L747[02:19:11] <SF-MC> I had a hard time figuring out how to drive vi

L748[02:19:20] <sugoi> Kodos: so keeping (or adding) a easy-to-use access is strongly being considered

L749[02:19:26] <SF-MC> I find it easy to drive Emacs in comparison

L750[02:19:32] <SF-MC> just my opinion

L751[02:19:57] <SF-MC> Search and replace in Emacs is alt-% (M-% in Emacs speak)

L752[02:19:58] <dangranos> interesting..

L753[02:20:01] <greaser|q> well yeah that's because emacs is closer to notepad

L754[02:20:01] <Kodos> sugoi, I had a ton of help with it, but this is currently the only RC program I have https://pastebin.com/gKPxknc8

L755[02:20:03] <SF-MC> I have no damn clue whatit is in vi

L756[02:20:05] <greaser|q> than vi is

L757[02:20:21] <Izaya> search and replace?

L758[02:20:30] <SF-MC> emacs is no where close to notepad :P

L759[02:20:34] <Izaya> :%s/from/to/g

L760[02:20:53] <Izaya> or minus the % if you want just that line

L761[02:21:01] <greaser|q> aaand i'm probably going to be bombarded with a metric fuckton of xterms once rsync realises the file it's trying to copy is never fucking going to work

L762[02:21:07] <sugoi> Kodos: private?

L763[02:21:08] <dangranos> % means whole file

L764[02:21:15] <Kodos> ohrightonesec

L765[02:21:37] <greaser|q> SF-MC: arrows to move and keys to type... vi requires you to be in the right mode

L766[02:21:40] <Kodos> https://pastebin.com/gKPxknc8

L767[02:21:43] <SF-MC> greaser|q: ?

L768[02:21:55] <SF-MC> greaser|q: yeah, ik

L769[02:22:00] <SF-MC> the ? was for the xterm thing

L770[02:22:13] <greaser|q> SF-MC: i'm copying shit off a dying hard disk

L771[02:23:15] <SF-MC> I like how OpenPrinter has a shredder

L772[02:23:16] <SF-MC> lol

L773[02:23:40] <Kodos> That was my suggestion :3

L774[02:23:44] <Kodos> Well, requestr

L775[02:23:50] <SF-MC> I find it silly but cool

L776[02:23:52] <Kodos> I had a ton of prints that I could do fuckall with

L777[02:23:54] <Kodos> Not really

L778[02:24:01] <Kodos> Lets you recycle otherwise unusable printed pages

L779[02:24:12] <Izaya> :< I went to hook up some 1280x1024s to replace my 1440x900s and then realised that the 1280x1024s have no digital input

L780[02:24:17] <SF-MC> you can actually do something with them?

L781[02:24:33] <sugoi> Kodos: yep i plan to support all of that just the same

L782[02:24:40] <greaser|q> Izaya: get an adaptor of some sort

L783[02:24:41] <Kodos> When you shred them you get paper shreds back, which you can craft with water I think to get paper back

L784[02:24:42] <SF-MC> hot damn you can

L785[02:24:45] <SF-MC> I had no idea

L786[02:24:51] <Izaya> greaser|q, it would require an active adaptor

L787[02:24:51] <SF-MC> it is water, btw

L788[02:25:00] <greaser|q> ah hmm

L789[02:25:02] <Izaya> HDMI -> DVI -> VGA is not going to work well

L790[02:25:12] <Kodos> But yeah, I was on the PCL server, and I was building an office, and needed a way to recycle irrelevant printed pages

L791[02:25:15] <Izaya> 'cause y'know

L792[02:25:16] <Kodos> Test pages, etc

L793[02:25:22] <Izaya> hurr durr 750Ti has no VGA out

L794[02:25:23] <SF-MC> right right

L795[02:25:40] <Kodos> http://puu.sh/kZ9ey/f0b8262bc4.png

L796[02:25:42] <Kodos> I also made that

L797[02:26:19] <SF-MC> lol cool

L798[02:26:34] <greaser|q> weird, seems i didn't get bombarded, anyway can finally open xterms again

L799[02:26:49] * SF-MC <3 tmux

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L802[02:27:32] <Kodos> I still get excited over http://puu.sh/luApk/985dd4fd76.png

L803[02:29:18] <Kodos> %tell Mimiru BTW That guy who was doing the OC controlled turret mod disappeared, and the mod is presumably dead, so you should totally still do turrets in OS

L804[02:29:19] <MichiBot> Kodos: Mimiru will be notified of this message when next seen.

L805[02:30:17] <Izaya> Aha, I know what I can use for my menu button! :D

L806[02:30:25] * Izaya goes to render a SVG into a PNG

L807[02:30:39] <Kodos> http://puu.sh/loCgu/aac92be3ad.png

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L810[02:34:45] <SoraFirestorm> updating modpack...

L811[02:35:34] <sugoi> Kodos: thanks for the chat :) good night

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L813[02:35:38] * sugoi is afk and asleep

L814[02:35:45] <Kodos> gn

L815[02:36:12] <SoraFirestorm> aahhh, having a desk is so nice

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L817[02:37:37] * Kodos goes back to coding things with light boards

L818[02:38:03] <Kodos> I still need to learn how to do switch statements, so I'm not using a fuckton of if elses

L819[02:38:17] <SoraFirestorm> switches are easy

L820[02:39:33] <Kodos> Wouldn't want to write up a small example, would ya?

L821[02:39:58] <SoraFirestorm> sure can

L822[02:40:07] <Kodos> Just something easy, like having red, green, or blue as strings make it print "The color of the string is (red, green, blue)"

L823[02:40:09] <SoraFirestorm> We're talking C or C++, right?

L824[02:40:10] <Kodos> Or something like that

L825[02:40:18] <Kodos> Whatever I can use in OC

L826[02:40:31] <SoraFirestorm> aaah

L827[02:40:41] <SoraFirestorm> lua doesn't have switch

L828[02:40:54] <SoraFirestorm> you can build what I like to call a switch table though

L829[02:41:08] <Kodos> I think that's what it is, according to http://lua-users.org/wiki/SwitchStatement

L830[02:41:51] <SoraFirestorm> something like that

L831[02:41:58] <Kodos> But you know, I need it in ELI5 fashion to get it. I'm a bit slow when it comes to most of Lua

L832[02:42:22] <SoraFirestorm> there are two 'types' of switch tables, in my mind

L833[02:42:29] <SoraFirestorm> There is a conversion table

L834[02:42:42] <SoraFirestorm> which does something like "1" -> "one"

L835[02:42:52] <SoraFirestorm> or is like the color or side APIs

L836[02:43:31] <SoraFirestorm> if instead you need a table that does actions,

L837[02:43:47] <SoraFirestorm> you write it so that the value associated with a key is a function

L838[02:43:48] <SoraFirestorm> ala

L839[02:44:19] <SoraFirestorm> { ["foo"] = function() -- do whatever when foo end }

L840[02:44:48] <SoraFirestorm> Am I making sense?

L841[02:45:03] <Kodos> Not really :x

L842[02:45:08] <Kodos> Basically, this is what I need

L843[02:45:39] <Kodos> if thishappens then do this, elseif that happens then do that other thing elseif thisotherthing happens then do nothing

L844[02:45:44] <Kodos> Only, like 10 more cases

L845[02:45:48] <SoraFirestorm> right

L846[02:46:10] <SoraFirestorm> lemme write up a small thing to throw on pastebin, see if that'll help

L847[02:46:14] <Kodos> k

L848[02:50:19] <SoraFirestorm> http://pastebin.com/JW53SLJN

L849[02:50:20] <SoraFirestorm> try that

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L851[02:51:27] <Kodos> Okay, I think I get it now. let me plug together some code and I'll let you know how it works

L852[02:51:39] <SoraFirestorm> Yup

L853[02:51:47] <SoraFirestorm> Hope I was helpful

L854[02:51:59] <SoraFirestorm> I traditionally have a hard time explaining damn near anything :P

L855[02:53:02] <Kodos> We shall see. I'm putting together a function that will 'initialize' a lightboard, depending on what is passed in the function's parameters. The first parameter will be the address of the lightboard, the second will be the 'type' of setup of lights. So if I've got it in 1x12 mode, I can tell it whether I want the green end of the meter on the left or the right, depending on the mode I want it set to

L856[02:53:38] <Kodos> But I'm going to put all the modes for all the different types of light board modes in a single switch statement

L857[02:53:49] <Kodos> So the function is universal, regardless of which setup of lights I have

L858[02:53:54] <Kodos> Or if I'm using multiple lb's

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L860[02:57:12] <SoraFirestorm> oops

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L862[02:57:34] <SoraFirestorm> there we go

L863[02:58:44] <Kodos> This is the code currently running in my office https://pastebin.com/WNQsW2iT

L864[02:59:45] <dangranos> Hm?

L865[03:00:07] <Kodos> Basically it controls the door, and runs Dave

L866[03:00:23] <Kodos> Getting ready to be able to tell Dave to change the radio station

L867[03:03:00] <SoraFirestorm> neat

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L869[03:03:48] <Kodos> Also, I remembered I have gVim on my USB stick

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L874[03:27:47] <Kodos> The hell

L875[03:27:57] <Kodos> component.br_turbine.getFluidFlowRateMaxMax

L876[03:27:58] <Kodos> wat

L877[03:29:30] <SoraFirestorm> sounds like someone goofed a function name

L878[03:30:58] <Kodos> Nah, I think I figured out what it is

L879[03:31:05] <Kodos> There's fluid flow rate, flow rate max, and flow rate max max

L880[03:31:19] <Kodos> I'm thinking max max is 2k, max is whatever you have the setting set to, and flow rate is just what is going through right that second

L881[03:31:29] <SoraFirestorm> makes sense, actually

L882[03:39:12] <Kodos> Okay, time to go back to tinkering with the data card

L883[03:40:43] <SoraFirestorm> I think I'll be off for the night

L884[03:41:10] <SoraFirestorm> Kodos: have MichiBot hit me up if you need any more help with the switch stuff

L885[03:41:17] <SoraFirestorm> Laters

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L888[03:42:25] <Kodos> I wonder if there's a way to do a loot disk via resource pack

L889[03:42:43] <Izaya> I think it is

L890[03:44:07] <Kodos> I wonder if there's an easy way to have a server write the exact same thing to all 3 secondary HDDs at a time.

L891[03:44:38] <Kodos> I guess it'd be easier if I was using unmanaged mode

L892[03:44:43] <Kodos> But I have no idea how to write data in that mode

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L894[03:57:15] <Kodos> What all consumes... let's say > 300k RF/t

L895[03:57:20] <Kodos> Anything you can think of at all

L896[03:57:21] <Kodos> Go

L897[03:57:34] <Kodos> Actually, not even that much

L898[03:57:40] <Kodos> Hang on

L899[04:00:48] <DeanIsaKitty> Kodos: A huge AE network

L900[04:01:01] <Kodos> True, actually

L901[04:01:23] <Kodos> I'm just trying to justify actually needing a reactor/turbine setup. I've got Advanced Generators, and I like the 2x2x3 shape of things, so I would prefer to use those

L902[04:02:04] <DeanIsaKitty> Kodos: Build a huge awesome looking reactor room and then justify huge reactors with the time it took you to build that reactor room :P

L903[04:03:13] <Kodos> I'm terrible with aesthetics, and frankly I haven't been able to have the attention span to keep a world. I mostly play in creative on Superflat

L904[04:03:43] <Kodos> This is mostly base design and setup, so when I get another GPU (Hoping for a miracle soon) I can have a good idea of what I want to do, instead of running around aimlessly

L905[04:04:42] <Kodos> I really wish I knew how ExU got the colors for fluid, for the drums, so I could do something similar for a light board fluid level meter

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L908[04:07:36] <Sandra> Kodos, a bunch of RFTools dimensions too.

L909[04:07:41] <Sandra> they expansive.

L910[04:07:42] <Kodos> Don't use it in this pack

L911[04:07:54] <Kodos> Wife doesn't want too many large mods so I don't kill her GPU too

L912[04:07:56] <Sandra> :(

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L916[04:15:45] <asie> Sangar: Charset 0.1.3 will fix passing "null" as WireFace to the wire

L917[04:15:47] <asie> just FIY

L918[04:15:49] <asie> FYI*

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L920[04:22:22] <Kodos> Okay, so

L921[04:22:28] <Kodos> I'm thinking I'll go ahead and have a reactor

L922[04:22:33] <Kodos> With a 2.5k RF/t generator as backup

L923[04:23:08] <Kodos> I wonder if anyone's looked into colored lighting for 1.8.9

L924[04:29:15] <Kodos> Is there an easy way to check if a number is a power of 2?

L925[04:29:56] <asie> Kodos: Forge has a lighting calculation pipeline in 1.8.9

L926[04:30:02] <asie> you can probably just reflect its lighting calc away

L927[04:30:06] <asie> and write your own

L928[04:30:07] <asie> voila, no coremod

L929[04:30:22] <Kodos> q.q I just wanted yellow lighting when the backup generators kicked in

L930[04:30:41] <Kodos> Also I could do a Trek-styled alert system =D

L931[04:31:40] <Kodos> Damn, my number is NOT a power of 2

L932[04:35:51] <Kodos> Anyone know of any assembled 1.8.9 packs?

L933[04:37:54] <asie> Not yet.

L934[04:37:58] <asie> Not enough mods

L935[04:38:04] <asie> Mine is slated for ~March at this rate?

L936[04:38:07] <asie> ~April.

L937[04:38:56] <Kodos> Thaumcraft 5.1 is out for it

L938[04:39:04] <Kodos> If OC didn't blacklist it, that could be fun

L939[04:40:05] <Vexatos> asie, portyourtronics when >_>

L940[04:41:11] <asie> Kodos: edit the config

L941[04:41:18] <asie> if it's blacklisted

L942[04:41:19] <Kodos> I'm aware

L943[04:52:13] <Kodos> Is there a way to use 'for k,v in pairs(mycomponenthere) do' to have it actually execute each function and print the output?

L944[04:52:17] <Kodos> Or some other way

L945[04:53:07] <Vexatos> Kodos, look at how my BR program I made for you handles connected turbines

L946[04:54:18] <Kodos> k

L947[04:54:22] <Kodos> Also, sweet jesus http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/2593634-practical-logistics-1-7-10-view-your-data-in-style

L948[04:54:43] <Kodos> It's OSS, bonus

L949[05:08:31] <Kodos> Ah, it doesn't like OC blocks

L950[05:09:41] <Kodos> Ah well, neat mod tho

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L956[05:14:12] <MindWorX> What do I need to make an addon for OC? Implement some interfaces?

L957[05:16:45] <Kodos> I'd recommend poking someone who's made one before

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L959[05:19:18] <MindWorX> Yeah, I'll do that a bit later :P I'll just give them a chance to reply first.

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L964[05:32:57] <Kodos> Vex, how hard would it be to make the light board take a table of integers as the parameter for the index of things like setActive, setColor, etc

L965[05:33:01] <Kodos> So we can do more than one pixel at a time

L966[05:33:17] <Kodos> Single ints should still work, obv

L967[05:33:39] <Izaya> http://imgur.com/a/Knaa5

L968[05:34:04] <Kodos> What flight stick is that

L969[05:34:10] <Kodos> Also, I'm going to come steal your server cabinet

L970[05:34:16] <Izaya> Logitech Attack 3

L971[05:34:26] <Izaya> also it's only a networking rack, it has 4 posts but it's not very deep

L972[05:36:22] <Izaya> wow I managed to get the year in the title wrong

L973[05:37:13] <Kodos> s/Vex/Vexatos/g

L974[05:37:13] <MichiBot> <Kodos> Vexatos, how hard would it be to make the light board take a table of integers as the parameter for the index of things like setActive, setColor, etc

L975[05:37:35] <Vexatos> You did ping me the first time...

L976[05:37:37] <Vexatos> No

L977[05:38:03] <Kodos> Ok

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L979[05:41:13] <Kodos> Grr, wtf is up with remote terminals

L980[05:41:30] <Kodos> Every now and then, the display on it will 'freeze', and nothing new will show up, but I can still operate the computer

L981[05:41:35] <Kodos> server, w/e

L982[05:42:30] <Kodos> Wow, wtf

L983[05:42:45] <Kodos> New terminal server, new remote terminal, rightclick the rem term, and it's STILL on the weird screen

L984[05:43:59] <Kodos> Okay, yeah, seems permaborked =(

L985[05:44:44] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/84sD6jz.jpg

L986[05:46:17] <Kodos> idk wtf I did, but anything at this coordinate is now brokeded

L987[05:46:26] <Kodos> Completely replaced everything

L988[05:46:27] <Kodos> Still busted

L989[05:46:54] <Izaya> have you tried logging out and back in?

L990[05:47:27] <Kodos> Yeah, just did, works now

L991[05:47:31] <Kodos> Dunno wtf that was

L992[05:47:55] <Izaya> SP or MP?

L993[05:48:03] <Kodos> SP

L994[05:48:08] <Izaya> hm

L995[05:48:12] <Izaya> try running a server maybe

L996[05:48:18] <Izaya> and if it happens while on the server

L997[05:48:30] <Izaya> check try logging out and in again

L998[05:48:39] <Izaya> and that'll tell you whether it's client-side or server-side

L999[05:48:49] <Izaya> or like report it if it happens again

L1000[05:48:50] <Izaya> \o/

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L1003[05:55:07] <Kodos> That awkward moment when you read a function you wrote at some point past and have trouble understanding part of it

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L1007[06:12:26] <Kodos> Neat, got the 2x 1x5 lights working as red/green notification lights

L1008[06:12:32] <Kodos> Working with my mag door program

L1009[06:12:38] <Kodos> But now the wife wants her PC, so I'll be back Soon(TM)

L1010[06:12:40] <Kodos> Ta

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L1015[07:04:09] * Elizabeth grabs vifino's hand, snuggles it then falls back to sleep in the process

L1016[07:04:54] * vifino giggles

L1017[07:05:23] * AntheusSleep wobbles

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L1019[07:06:17] <Antheus> %weather 76020

L1020[07:06:19] <MichiBot> Antheus: Current weather for 76020 Current Temp: 30°F/-1°C Feels Like: 20°F/-7°C Current Humidity: 84 Wind: From the NNW 10 Mph/15 Km/h Conditions: Clear

L1021[07:06:28] <Antheus> hm, 30F

L1022[07:11:12] <vifino> LactateFactate: http://files.phosphor.i0i0.me/cgi-bin/cgi_hello_world.vxe

L1023[07:11:15] <vifino> I DID IT

L1024[07:11:27] <vifino> LVX WRITTEN CGI HELLO WORLD

L1025[07:11:30] <vifino> IT WOOOORKS

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L1027[07:13:10] <vifino> I like CGI.

L1028[07:13:17] <vifino> So simple, yet so effective.

L1029[07:13:51] <vifino> FastCGI is useless, needlessly complicating simple things.

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L1032[07:18:59] * Elizabeth wakes up fully then wanders off to find food

L1033[07:20:01] * vifino follows Elizabeth

L1034[07:27:39] * MajGenRelativity shouts from the rooftops that NEI is dead

L1035[07:28:30] <Elizabeth> how so?

L1036[07:29:53] <MajGenRelativity> JEI is apparenly taking over for 1.8.x

L1037[07:30:04] <MajGenRelativity> #BTM is talking about it

L1038[07:30:26] <MajGenRelativity> I can't believe that one of the foundations of modded gameplay just got torn up :(

L1039[07:30:30] <MajGenRelativity> JEI has big shoes to fill

L1040[07:30:59] <Vexatos> it already did

L1041[07:31:04] <Vexatos> everything about it is better, trust me+

L1042[07:31:54] <MajGenRelativity> Vexatos, ok

L1043[07:31:54] <Elizabeth> does it use up a lot of ram when showing items? NEI is quite bad for that

L1044[07:32:03] <MajGenRelativity> USE ALL THE RAMS

L1045[07:32:10] <Elizabeth> well, ram and cpu time

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L1051[07:58:11] <Antheus> NEI is dead?!?!?!

L1052[07:58:26] <Antheus> HAS THE WORLD COME TO AN END

L1053[07:58:37] <Antheus> Find out next week on #OCDrama

L1054[08:02:08] <Daiyousei> nei men hva faen

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L1056[08:04:00] <Sandra> well, moreso that chickenbones hasn't been around to update NEI. and so JEI came out, with a much better development side API, and is more lightweight.

L1057[08:05:29] <MajGenRelativity> Antheus, the EqD reporting division will be covering the fall of NEI

L1058[08:05:31] <MajGenRelativity> Lol no

L1059[08:05:37] <MajGenRelativity> the EqD doesn't have a reporting division

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L1061[08:06:02] <Sandra> oh no wait ok.

L1062[08:06:20] <Antheus> zOMG JEI IS A COPY OF NEI WHICH IS A COPY OF TMI

L1063[08:06:23] <Antheus> SO MUCH COPYING

L1064[08:06:25] <Sandra> MajGenRelativity, why's equestria daily reporting on NEI?

L1065[08:06:25] <Antheus> ZAJGKLJA

L1066[08:06:46] <MajGenRelativity> Sandra, EqD is the Equilibriant Duality

L1067[08:06:54] <MajGenRelativity> My team I run on my server

L1068[08:07:08] <Sandra> righteo.

L1069[08:10:30] <Alex-Learning> Antheus execpt that nei won't exist anymore ....

L1070[08:10:53] <MajGenRelativity> Does TMI exist still?

L1071[08:10:53] <Alex-Learning> And jei is ligther than nei

L1072[08:11:02] <Izaya> yeah

L1073[08:11:04] <Alex-Learning> TMI?

L1074[08:11:13] <Izaya> IIRC its niche is non-forge Minecraft

L1075[08:11:19] <MajGenRelativity> Huh

L1076[08:11:20] <Izaya> ie you can use it with Better than Wolves

L1077[08:11:25] <MajGenRelativity> that's a pretty small niche XD

L1078[08:12:18] <Sandra> yeah. TMI works p well at being exactly the same thing as NEI without the recipe lists.

L1079[08:12:37] <DeanIsaKitty> Doesn't TMI work without forge for a "vanilla" minecraft?

L1080[08:12:38] <Sandra> and then JEI works p well at being exactly the same thing as NEI without some of the utils.

L1081[08:12:43] <Sandra> yup.

L1082[08:12:49] <Antheus> TMI is great at being there for those who like Vanilla and want a better creative menu

L1083[08:13:37] <Sandra> also the biggest annoyance about JEI for me is the search box being under the panel rather than under the inventory.

L1084[08:13:43] <Sandra> but I'm sure I'll get used to that.

L1085[08:13:47] <DeanIsaKitty> Or just want to spawn items in survival

L1086[08:18:45] <Sandra> I just discovered that my steam account is worth 2.6 thousand dollars.

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L1088[08:20:55] <MajGenRelativity> NOICE!

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L1095[08:27:54] <MindWorX> Sandra, How?

L1096[08:28:13] <Sandra> http://www.mysteamgauge.com/account?username=gjgfuj

L1097[08:28:22] <MindWorX> Most people tend to go by total cost of games, but that isn't really a good representation of what the account is worth.

L1098[08:28:29] <MindWorX> It only shows how much has been spent. :P

L1099[08:28:43] <nxsupert> Is there a program that stores the shell history on the hardrive so that when a computer crashes or restart the shell history is still available?

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L1102[08:30:34] <MindWorX> Sandra, http://www.mysteamgauge.com/account?username=76561197963816319

L1103[08:31:37] <MindWorX> We're only like, $1 apart :P

L1104[08:32:43] <Sandra> so indeed!

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L1106[08:33:13] <Roxox1> Hi

L1107[08:33:20] <Sandra> and you have 13 more games than me.

L1108[08:33:22] <Roxox1> Anyone mind helping me with a lua problem?

L1109[08:33:28] <Sandra> s/games/titles/

L1110[08:33:28] <MichiBot> <Sandra> and you have 13 more titles than me.

L1111[08:33:31] <MindWorX> Hehe

L1112[08:33:32] <Sandra> Roxox1, certainly.

L1113[08:33:53] <Sandra> please state whatever issue you're having.

L1114[08:33:53] <MindWorX> But my account is four times older :P

L1115[08:34:02] <Saphire> eh?

L1116[08:34:05] <Sandra> my goodness.

L1117[08:34:26] <dangranos> >13 games

L1118[08:34:28] <Roxox1> I'm getting input from a user in the form of a string, I'm trying to use that input to invoke a method on a OC Component.

L1119[08:34:28] <dangranos> hm

L1120[08:34:36] <Roxox1> I have the component address already

L1121[08:34:43] <Roxox1> The users input looks something like this

L1122[08:34:47] <Roxox1> function arg1 arg2 arg3

L1123[08:35:04] <Sandra> there's a way to split it i think.

L1124[08:35:08] <Roxox1> I'm converting that into a table, using string.gsub(input, "%S+")

L1125[08:35:18] <Roxox1> however, I can't use that table as input

L1126[08:35:22] <Roxox1> for component.invoke

L1127[08:35:44] <Roxox1> since component.invoke is like this component.invoke(address, function, args...)

L1128[08:36:13] <Roxox1> or, as described on the wiki page component.invoke(address:string, method:string[, ...]): ...

L1129[08:36:23] <Sandra> i think you can expand a table to be method arguments....

L1130[08:36:46] <Roxox1> The problem is that I think I need to change my table into a String...

L1131[08:37:19] <Sandra> Roxox1, try table.unpack(table)

L1132[08:37:26] <Roxox1> Will do

L1133[08:37:58] <Sandra> that iirc takes every thing in the table as return values, which you can then pass to a method.

L1134[08:38:44] <Roxox1> That doesn't throw an error, but only passes the first string in the table into the .invoke function

L1135[08:38:52] <Sandra> MindWorX, you also have no game more expensive than $40.

L1136[08:39:03] <Roxox1> Which means that the user provided arguments aren't getting passed.

L1137[08:39:12] <MindWorX> Hehe, I almost never buy new games. :P

L1138[08:39:38] <Sandra> I generally get indie titles, as I can fit them on my computer.

L1139[08:40:01] <MindWorX> Heh, yeah, me too :P And I'm a sucker for simple games

L1140[08:40:09] <MindWorX> Like Terraria which is obvious from my time played :P

L1141[08:40:12] <Roxox1> For refence, I'm using the method like this. component.invoke(address, table.unpack(userInput))

L1142[08:40:18] <Roxox1> reference*

L1143[08:40:19] <DeanIsaKitty> idie != simple though :P

L1144[08:40:22] <S3> BAH

L1145[08:40:27] <DeanIsaKitty> *indie

L1146[08:40:31] <S3> MindWorX, so have you found the secret key combo yet?

L1147[08:40:33] <MindWorX> DeanIsaKitty, Definitely not :P

L1148[08:40:43] <MindWorX> S3, Secret key combo? :P

L1149[08:40:46] <Sandra> Roxox1, if you pop the address at the top of the table then unpack the whole thing, does that work?

L1150[08:40:47] <S3> when you press them, it tilts the world view to be 3D and bam, it's minecraft

L1151[08:41:05] <S3> Lol. Just kidding. I had a dream about that once.

L1152[08:41:07] <Sandra> MindWorX, Terraria.... Simple?

L1153[08:41:13] <Sandra> really?

L1154[08:41:16] <Izaya> there was an MC mod that would turn MC 2D

L1155[08:41:18] <Izaya> it was cool

L1156[08:41:31] <DeanIsaKitty> Sethbling made 2D minecraft in excel.

L1157[08:41:36] <Izaya> but a) it broke stuff and b) it hasn't been updated since 1.2.5

L1158[08:41:53] <Sandra> is2g that I'm like the only person who doesn't like terraria.

L1159[08:42:05] <Sandra> and I also dislike the binding of isaac.

L1160[08:42:08] <Sandra> idk why.

L1161[08:42:10] <Antheus> ^

L1162[08:42:14] <Izaya> Terraria is okay with friends

L1163[08:42:19] <Sangar> o/

L1164[08:42:22] <Izaya> never played the binding of issac

L1165[08:42:25] <Izaya> \o

L1166[08:42:32] <Sandra> I remember that mod, it was quite cool indeed.

L1167[08:42:35] <DeanIsaKitty> Snagar!! \o/

L1168[08:42:38] <S3> how did it handle mobs Izaya ?

L1169[08:42:57] <Sandra> and it had both minecraft 2d, and terraria mode, (terraria mode gave you a higher jump iirc.)

L1170[08:43:13] <Izaya> S3, well it just either made invisible blocks around the edge of the world or something like that

L1171[08:43:23] <Izaya> put the camera at a fixed point relative to you

L1172[08:43:24] <S3> I see

L1173[08:43:30] <MindWorX> Sandra, Yeah, 2d games like platformers :P I'm a sucker for that

L1174[08:43:34] <S3> Izaya, it would probably be a lot easier to build now

L1175[08:43:37] <MindWorX> Gameplay shouldn't be simple though :P I love a challenge

L1176[08:43:38] <Roxox1> Again, that doesn't throw an error, but doesn't use the remaining arguments. I assume that because component.invoke only requires 2 inputs, it is only unpacking into them and ignoring the optional arguments.

L1177[08:43:41] <S3> with the new world gen and anvil

L1178[08:44:12] <S3> ALL PLATFORMERS ARE THE SAME

L1179[08:44:12] <Izaya> I distinctly remember that mod because it made Minecraft run half-not-terribly on my incredibly mediocre atom netbook I was using at the time

L1180[08:44:19] <S3> Every platformer

L1181[08:44:23] <S3> it's just the same frigging game

L1182[08:44:27] <S3> over and over

L1183[08:44:29] <Izaya> I played a platformer with time travel once

L1184[08:44:31] <MindWorX> ...

L1185[08:44:56] <S3> walk around jump on stuff collect items beat monsters bam done

L1186[08:45:01] <S3> over and over

L1187[08:45:01] <Roxox1> Out of curiosity, would allowing component.invoke to accept table inputs be a good suggestion to put on the github?

L1188[08:45:11] <MindWorX> So Super Mario, Terraria and Braid are all the same? :P

L1189[08:45:12] <Antheus> #SnagarMasterrace

L1190[08:45:34] <Sandra> I really need to buy as many metroidvanias I can get my hands on.

L1191[08:45:38] <Sandra> I just love em.

L1192[08:46:02] <S3> as much as you could argue it, Tererria isn't really a platformer

L1193[08:46:08] <S3> But I don't play it

L1194[08:46:19] <MindWorX> It's not a platformer ... ?

L1195[08:46:42] <S3> Not really

L1196[08:46:49] <MindWorX> Oookay

L1197[08:47:13] <DeanIsaKitty> MindWorX: According to wikipedia it really isn't. Terraria is prob more of a 2D rpg

L1198[08:47:21] <Sandra> idk why but starbound appeals to me, while terraria.... doesn't.

L1199[08:47:29] <dangranos> Undertale..

L1200[08:47:33] <MindWorX> Sandra, Opposite for me

L1201[08:47:38] <MindWorX> Starbound seems too unfinished

L1202[08:47:42] <S3> I generally wouldn't call a sandbox a platformer anyways either

L1203[08:47:48] <MindWorX> Last I tried it had just added that quest hub thing

L1204[08:48:07] <DeanIsaKitty> I play Terraria because Kilobyte is an idiot xP

L1205[08:48:16] <S3> MindWorX, keep in mind the actual definition of platformer

L1206[08:48:32] <Sandra> meanwhile terraria has just waaaaay too much stuff everywhere for me to really get invested enough.

L1207[08:48:41] <MindWorX> I don't really care, sorry. :P At platformer is a 2d side-view jumping game to me. :P

L1208[08:48:48] <Sandra> while starbound has a questline I can follow.

L1209[08:49:02] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty!

L1210[08:49:19] <S3> THIS, is a platformer MindWorX: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-xqBXG2Z_7o/hqdefault.jpg

L1211[08:49:37] <MindWorX> Ok :P

L1212[08:49:50] <S3> bet you can't name that game :)

L1213[08:49:56] <MindWorX> Lion King

L1214[08:50:00] <S3> from...

L1215[08:50:03] <MindWorX> I've played it :P

L1216[08:50:05] <MindWorX> Disney?

L1217[08:50:08] <MindWorX> I don't remember the studio :P

L1218[08:50:15] <S3> Were you born yet?

L1219[08:50:21] <MindWorX> ... Yes

L1220[08:50:26] <MindWorX> I'm 28 :P

L1221[08:50:28] <S3> Okay

L1222[08:50:35] <S3> yeh. It was lion king for SNES

L1223[08:50:41] <S3> or actually wait

L1224[08:50:46] <S3> yeh

L1225[08:50:46] <MindWorX> I don't remember playing it on the SNES

L1226[08:51:14] <MindWorX> Pretty sure I played it on a pc

L1227[08:51:15] <S3> They also made it for genesis

L1228[08:51:36] <S3> the genesis one was a bit more crap

L1229[08:51:42] <S3> but hey

L1230[08:52:14] <S3> They might have made it for PC-DOS

L1231[08:52:22] <S3> Yep

L1232[08:52:45] <S3> I never had it for PC, but I played the shit out of lemmings

L1233[08:52:56] <MindWorX> Yeah, me too

L1234[08:53:09] <MindWorX> Although, not the old one. I think I mostly played 2. The one with different worlds

L1235[08:54:46] <S3> DAFUQ is this

L1236[08:54:49] <S3> https://www.packtpub.com/packt/offers/free-learning

L1237[08:54:53] <S3> .....?!?!?!?! why

L1238[08:55:23] <S3> I don't know if I have ever seen lemmings 2

L1239[08:55:30] <DeanIsaKitty> Because little kids want to be cool and stuff

L1240[08:55:50] <S3> lemmings 1 was already crazy out of the world

L1241[08:56:11] <S3> they should make a lemmings mod for tererria though

L1242[08:57:39] <S3> terreria is 5 bucks on amazon

L1243[08:58:29] <Sandra> how good is terraria's mod support anyway?

L1244[08:58:50] <S3> No idea

L1245[08:59:10] <S3> there is a modloader

L1246[08:59:16] <S3> called tmodloader

L1247[08:59:26] <MindWorX> Considering it's C# and last I checked isn't obfuscated, modding it should be extremely simple.

L1248[08:59:28] <S3> using tapi

L1249[08:59:46] <S3> The only problem is that C# sucks

L1250[08:59:54] <MindWorX> ...

L1251[09:00:04] <MindWorX> I assume you speak from years of experience? :P

L1252[09:00:06] <DeanIsaKitty> Let the language wars begin~

L1253[09:00:17] <MindWorX> DeanIsaKitty, Sorry, you're right. :P I'll exit now.

L1254[09:00:27] <DeanIsaKitty> MindWorX: Thanks ;)

L1255[09:00:31] <MindWorX> <3

L1256[09:01:06] <Sandra> i mean the only terraria mod I'd ever wanna do is port new moon to it anyway.

L1257[09:01:27] <dangranos> eh?

L1258[09:01:31] <MindWorX> I would love to add more dimensions. Add some truly weird ones.

L1259[09:02:01] <MindWorX> I actually worked on a terraria clone once. I had an infinite overworld going and you could switch to one that had infinite dirt caverns in all directions.

L1260[09:02:31] <MindWorX> But like all other procrastinators, I found something more interesting before finishing :P

L1261[09:02:31] <S3> MindWorX, I hear great things about C#, but I don't want to use something that requires a giant fat runtime library collection to work

L1262[09:02:46] <Roxox1> As a workaround, I think I'm going to check the size of my table, and then reference it's elements manually. i.e, if #table == 1, invoke just function, if #table == 2 invoke function + 1 arg

L1263[09:02:56] <Roxox1> Since I know that the maximum amount of arguments is going to be 3.

L1264[09:03:07] <Sandra> MindWorX, why not just a starbound mod instead.

L1265[09:03:20] <MindWorX> Like I said, I don't really like starbound.

L1266[09:04:05] <MindWorX> Might be a bit biased though. Tiy managed to piss me off greatly :P

L1267[09:04:38] <Sandra> oh? what did tiy do?

L1268[09:04:56] <DeanIsaKitty> S3: Last time I checked the CLR wasn't too big. And its not like there aren't any lighter implementations around.

L1269[09:06:34] <MindWorX> Sandra, A long time ago, when Terraria was just surfacing, I had a few talks about helping out with development. But every time I had to deal with Tiy, he was behaving very obnoxiously, acting like an idiot. Even though we talked multiple times, each time he'd pretend he couldn't remember who I was.

L1270[09:06:47] <S3> Still

L1271[09:07:07] <S3> My C like languages usually dumb down to either C or Perl

L1272[09:07:31] <S3> and 99% of the time I want to write C, it is easier to write in assembly

L1273[09:08:00] <S3> Because I generally only do C on small microcontrollers

L1274[09:08:10] <MindWorX> Are you Chris Sawyer? :P

L1275[09:08:18] <S3> No lol

L1276[09:08:41] <MindWorX> I agree though, at least the Atmels I've worked with, I often end up doing a lot of ASM

L1277[09:08:44] <S3> You know what's disturbing and off topic?

L1278[09:08:49] <MindWorX> Mostly inline though.

L1279[09:08:59] <S3> Perl 6 specs are officially released now.. after 15 years.

L1280[09:09:16] <S3> as of a few weeks ago I guess

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L1282[09:09:52] <S3> I stay away from Perl6, but if the JVM integration begins to work just a bit better, I can at least write Minecraft mods with Perl6

L1283[09:10:04] <DeanIsaKitty> Well, its Perl. There really isn't an active community around perl anymore. Well for an interpreted language that is.

L1284[09:10:12] <S3> DeanIsaKitty, Totally not true!

L1285[09:10:31] <S3> also

L1286[09:10:47] <S3> you can't call Perl6 interpreted. It does have an interpreter, but it is not like you thinkj.

L1287[09:10:55] <DeanIsaKitty> S3: Comparing to Python (which is only 4 years younger), yes, that is true.

L1288[09:11:16] <S3> Perl is both compiled and interpreted.

L1289[09:11:19] <DeanIsaKitty> S3: I will call perl6 interpreted the same way I call Python interpreted.

L1290[09:11:29] <S3> I'm talking about perl5

L1291[09:11:34] <S3> yeah perl6 is different story atm

L1292[09:11:39] <S3> but Perl6 isn't Perl

L1293[09:11:46] <DeanIsaKitty> Every perl if you insist.

L1294[09:11:55] <S3> Perl5 is a compiled language bud.

L1295[09:12:03] <S3> It's very complicated.

L1296[09:12:07] <Daiyousei> perl 6 should have a different name imo

L1297[09:12:18] <S3> and yes it should have a different name

L1298[09:13:42] <vifino> purl.

L1299[09:14:08] <S3> Perl 5's compiler is quite complicated. It supports JIT and caching and a bunch of great stuff. there are several stages of interpretation and compiling but the interpreter is capable of interpreting most anything the compiler can compile, which is funny because, at any time in a program, Perl can be compiling or interpreting and there is no way you can tell what it is doing. It is also non deterministic; If you compile the same Perl5 code twice it will produce two

L1300[09:14:08] <S3> completely different programs, that do the same exact thing

L1301[09:14:33] <S3> the way it is compiled is based on "that exact scenario" to get the best performance optimizations, etc

L1302[09:14:43] <S3> and to work around the halting problem

L1303[09:15:03] <Daiyousei> i actually didn't know that

L1304[09:15:04] <Daiyousei> :o

L1305[09:15:32] <S3> I think it's pretty neat

L1306[09:15:44] <Inari> lol

L1307[09:16:26] <S3> But the other thing is the community, Perl still has a very healthy community, it just isn't as large as say Java. That doesn't really matter.

L1308[09:16:40] <S3> It's like saying that nobody lives in my town

L1309[09:16:51] <S3> I live in a small town, population 40,000

L1310[09:17:06] <S3> I walk into the street and there are people everywhere

L1311[09:17:15] <S3> but iof you lived in say san francisco

L1312[09:17:20] <Inari> psh my place has like 3000 people

L1313[09:17:20] <Inari> :P

L1314[09:17:21] <DeanIsaKitty> S3: Perls community is - compared to other languages that fill the same role - a) small b) inactive. Python's community is pretty much the most active there is for programming languages.

L1315[09:17:22] <S3> you'd say nobody lives here

L1316[09:17:35] <S3> Inari, I grew up in a town with no more than 1000, and the town next door was < 100

L1317[09:17:44] <S3> and everyone lived in skidder trails

L1318[09:17:46] <S3> on*

L1319[09:17:49] <Inari> lol

L1320[09:18:01] <S3> but like I said DeanIsaKitty

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L1322[09:18:25] <SeventhCore> hi guys

L1323[09:18:27] <Sandra> I have heard fantastic things about perl 6.

L1324[09:18:29] <S3> that's like comparing a large city to a small town. to the town, it's still very active and populated

L1325[09:18:41] <DeanIsaKitty> And - since its community is comparatively small and there is rather little corporate backing - its no wonder perl6 took so long.

L1326[09:18:43] <Sandra> i've heard it's one of the best languages ever designed.

L1327[09:18:56] <S3> perl6's community is tiny

L1328[09:19:18] <S3> Sandra, It should be usable with just a small touch of Java glue to create Minecraft mods.

L1329[09:19:43] <S3> I can't wait until a couple more features come out and I can write mods 100% in Perl 6. I'd learn the differences of Perl6 over Perl5 to at least do that

L1330[09:19:44] <SeventhCore> guys i have a small problem, im trying to bind a screen to a gpu but i get an error: stdin:1: malformed number near '4c82' (the number is parto of an screen adress

L1331[09:19:54] <Roxox1> OH Shit.

L1332[09:19:59] <S3> Racudo VM supports JVM

L1333[09:20:25] <Roxox1> @Sandra, I've just come to the realization, that your solution worked completely. But I'm passing strings into functions that require integers.

L1334[09:20:27] <Sandra> huh.

L1335[09:20:34] <Sandra> Roxox1, ah right.

L1336[09:20:54] <Sandra> that'll help to tonumber() them in that case.

L1337[09:20:56] <Roxox1> Sorry, stupid mistake.

L1338[09:21:28] <DeanIsaKitty> SeventhCore: make it a string. 4c82 *is* a malformed number :P

L1339[09:21:34] <Roxox1> Since the method I'm calling is completely variable, I'ma have to do some tricky stuff to find out what variables the function wants beforehand. But is meh

L1340[09:24:33] <SeventhCore> how can i do that? i have some basic understanding with lua but somethings are beyond me, and also how is the gpu.bind properly used? an example would be nice

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L1343[09:25:31] <S3> DeanIsaKitty, considering it was only a couple years ago when Perl had like 50-60,000 perl modules, now there are 157,871, I'd say the community is not dead.

L1344[09:25:55] <DeanIsaKitty> S3: Given your age, what is "a couple of years" for you?

L1345[09:25:57] <S3> on CPAN

L1346[09:26:07] <S3> this was like 2 or 3 years ago

L1347[09:26:11] <S3> hey, I am not OLD!

L1348[09:26:35] <Sandra> isn't it gpu.bind("xxxx-xxxx")

L1349[09:26:43] <DeanIsaKitty> SeventhCore: ^

L1350[09:26:45] <Sandra> ~w gpu

L1351[09:26:45] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:gpu

L1352[09:26:58] <S3> OMG

L1353[09:27:06] <S3> I need to plan out how OCBSD will handle the gpu

L1354[09:27:12] <S3> that's going to be weird..

L1355[09:27:31] <dangranos> OCBSD?

L1356[09:27:32] <dangranos> oh

L1357[09:27:39] <S3> Hey dangranos

L1358[09:27:44] <dangranos> devil comes to OC, yay

L1359[09:27:48] <dangranos> *"yay"

L1360[09:27:50] <dangranos> hi?

L1361[09:28:24] <S3> In a little bit, I'l reboot into FreeBSD and start doing more work on the BSD port

L1362[09:28:35] <SeventhCore> even with 2 gpu-s?

L1363[09:29:06] <SeventhCore> im trying to make a 2 screen program for statistics for bigreactors mod

L1364[09:29:18] <Elizabeth> DeanIsaKitty, https://imgur.com/gallery/yjZBshw

L1365[09:29:20] <SeventhCore> running from a server

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L1367[09:30:56] <S3> I thought there was a limitation of OC that only one gpu can be active at a time?

L1368[09:31:11] <S3> or only one display*

L1369[09:31:30] <DeanIsaKitty> Elizabeth: Yeah, Cologne was a shitfest. No wonder Trump jumped on that.

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L1371[09:34:27] <SeventhCore> that i am not certain of

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L1373[09:36:40] <Roxox1> Workaround: http://pastebin.com/22XyRe7B

L1374[09:37:17] <Roxox1> Need to write something to catch incorrect input formatting from the user, but that's meh stuff while in dev stage

L1375[09:39:58] <S3> welp

L1376[09:40:07] <S3> Cruor, 200/200 DRONE RUSH

L1377[09:41:12] <Cruor> no q_q

L1378[09:41:28] <Cruor> hopefully you "merged" them in to one drone :p

L1379[09:42:42] <Vexatos> Cruor, fully assembled drones?

L1380[09:43:00] <Cruor> Vexatos: no, stacked drones

L1381[09:43:52] * Vexatos pokes Cruor with a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf3UvwzGA8U

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L1384[09:47:08] <Cruor> Vexatos: best upgrade eu

L1385[09:47:52] * Vexatos adds an Overpowered Upgrade which sets cruor to creative mode

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L1387[09:54:05] <Antheus> %weather 76020

L1388[09:54:07] <MichiBot> Antheus: Current weather for 76020 Current Temp: 31°F/-1°C Feels Like: 20°F/-7°C Current Humidity: 76 Wind: From the NNW 11 Mph/17 Km/h Conditions: Sunny

L1389[09:54:15] <Antheus> still below freezing outside .-.

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L1391[09:56:56] *** Guest862 is now known as Magik6k

L1392[09:57:31] <S3> Cruor, well that sc2 match was a huge success

L1393[09:57:40] <S3> drone rush ftw

L1394[10:00:15] <Vexatos> %weather Bremen, Germany

L1395[10:00:17] <MichiBot> Vexatos: Current weather for Bremen, Germany Current Temp: 41°F/5°C Feels Like: 35°F/2°C Current Humidity: 87 Wind: From the SSE 9 Mph/15 Km/h Conditions: Partly Cloudy

L1396[10:00:42] <vifino> %weather Frankfurt am Main, Germany

L1397[10:00:43] <MichiBot> vifino: Current weather for Frankfurt Am Main, Germany Current Temp: 45°F/7°C Feels Like: 40°F/5°C Current Humidity: 87 Wind: From the SSE 8 Mph/13 Km/h Conditions: Partly Cloudy

L1398[10:01:04] <vifino> Vexatos: We're hotter than you! #confirmed

L1399[10:01:07] * vifino runs

L1400[10:01:51] <Vexatos> But I'm cooler than you!

L1401[10:02:21] <vifino> At least I'm hotter than you. :D

L1402[10:02:37] <Daiyousei> hey bacon

L1403[10:02:51] <vifino> Daiyousei: I prefer bacon-sensei.

L1404[10:02:57] <vifino> I make sushi out of you.

L1405[10:03:12] <Daiyousei> rip

L1406[10:13:03] <Roxox1> grr.

L1407[10:13:20] <Roxox1> Fuck it. I'm now going to start shameless blaming the API

L1408[10:13:28] <Roxox1> shamelessly*

L1409[10:14:12] <nxsupert> ?

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L1411[10:20:56] <Roxox1> Nope

L1412[10:21:03] <Roxox1> No longer shamelessly blaming the API

L1413[10:21:18] <Roxox1> Now repeatedly punching myself in the face.

L1414[10:21:39] <MindWorX> lol

L1415[10:22:06] <Roxox1> What is the pattern expression for integers?

L1416[10:22:21] <Roxox1> I know %S+ is for strings, not sure what the int version is

L1417[10:22:43] <MindWorX> D perhaps? That's the C version for regular decimal numbers.

L1418[10:22:57] <Roxox1> It's not a decimal, but I'll try that

L1419[10:23:05] <MindWorX> I is also an options.

L1420[10:26:26] <Roxox1> I?

L1421[10:26:28] <Roxox1> Oh

L1422[10:26:57] <Roxox1> %d+ works

L1423[10:27:12] <MindWorX> Nice

L1424[10:28:45] <MindWorX> In C, the difference between %d and %i is tiny. But not knowing it is annoying. :P Basically, %i will read out numbers with 0 infront as octals :P It's a hard bug to track down

L1425[10:29:02] <S3> bah

L1426[10:29:09] <Kubuxu> Vexatos: what is branch for OC1.6 in OC repo?

L1427[10:29:40] <Vexatos> master

L1428[10:31:38] <Antheus> race

L1429[10:32:28] <Kubuxu> Ahh, I reset to wrong branch

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L1432[10:36:25] <Roxox1> is there a pattern expression for just whitespaces? i.e, I want to use gmatch to seperate everything between spaces

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L1434[10:43:41] <Vexatos> I still can't setup my dev env

L1435[10:43:46] <Vexatos> it just won't download the deps

L1436[10:43:47] <Vexatos> damn

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L1438[10:45:23] <Magik6k> Sangar, u here?

L1439[10:49:02] <Magik6k> %tell Sangar this one is for you: http://hastebin.com/jifiqiviji.avrasm

L1440[10:49:03] <MichiBot> Magik6k: Sangar will be notified of this message when next seen.

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L1444[10:55:19] <Kubuxu> Vexatos: are you also stuck on Mantle.

L1445[10:59:51] <Sangar> Magik6k any context/way to reproduce?

L1446[11:02:10] <MindWorX> Out of curiousity, since there's a Lua BIOS, does this mean that OC could technically support other languages?

L1447[11:02:12] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, still resolving deps

L1448[11:02:20] <MindWorX> Like, could I make a C# scripting engine?

L1449[11:02:21] <Vexatos> Mantle and projectred repos are the worst

L1450[11:02:32] <Vexatos> MindWorX, sure

L1451[11:02:33] <LactateFactate> MindWorX: Yes.

L1452[11:02:36] <Vexatos> if you're able to sandbox is

L1453[11:02:37] <Vexatos> it*

L1454[11:02:40] <MindWorX> Interesting

L1455[11:02:43] <DeanIsaKitty> MindWorX: http://ocdoc.cil.li/tutorial:modding_architecture#registering_an_architecture

L1456[11:02:55] <MindWorX> I've actually done a lot of sandboxing using C#. It was all in .NET though.

L1457[11:03:19] <Magik6k> Sangar, just join our server ;p

L1458[11:03:24] <MindWorX> I might be able to put that knowledge to use, to create a sandboxed appdomain from java.

L1459[11:04:46] <MindWorX> Although I'm not sure i could get .NET to work with the whole state thing. I bet it's a lot of work. :P

L1460[11:04:50] <MindWorX> Interesting thought though.

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L1462[11:06:37] <MindWorX> I think I'll start out with creating my own peripheral :P I'll work my way up to custom arch's later :P

L1463[11:08:26] <Sangar> Magik6k, hang on, TextureFontRenderer? u no unifont?

L1464[11:08:50] <Magik6k> dunno lol, now it works

L1465[11:08:56] <Magik6k> just crashes randomly

L1466[11:08:58] <Antheus> "I think i'll learn Java" -me for the past year

L1467[11:09:17] <Sangar> so you haven't changed the client config to use the texture based font renderer?

L1468[11:10:21] <dangranos> "I think i'll finally do that thing" - me always

L1469[11:10:27] <Magik6k> It's set to unifont

L1470[11:10:34] <dangranos> and duh, nearly always..

L1471[11:10:48] <dangranos> i end up putting it into "todo"

L1472[11:11:23] <Sangar> Magik6k, nvm, derped :X

L1473[11:11:48] <Sangar> forgot they shared the base class

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L1475[11:13:33] <Vexatos> Sangar, I wanted to do a PR about three days ago

L1476[11:13:41] <Kubuxu> Vexatos: still resolving?

L1477[11:13:43] <Vexatos> but it fails to download the deps

L1478[11:13:44] <Vexatos> yep

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L1480[11:15:38] <Vexatos> gradle: Resolving deps since 1854.

L1481[11:15:59] <Sangar> :/

L1482[11:17:46] <asie> Vexatos: Yes, since 1854.

L1483[11:17:52] <asie> And, in fact, it's still resolving the very same deps.

L1484[11:17:55] <asie> :-)

L1485[11:18:09] <Vexatos> P:red maven is slow as heck

L1486[11:18:18] <Vexatos> and not even sure what's going on with the mantle one

L1487[11:18:24] <Vexatos> Sangar, mirrors when ;_;

L1488[11:18:30] <gamax92> PR A PR TO PR

L1489[11:19:28] <Kubuxu> Command line Russian roulette

L1490[11:19:31] <Kubuxu> [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf --no-preserve-root / || echo *Click*

L1491[11:19:52] <Kubuxu> after 20 minutes it finished :D

L1492[11:20:18] <gamax92> Kubuxu: I prefer my rm -rf with a side of blocking all signals and verbosity

L1493[11:20:57] <gamax92> Maybe even add in a dash of overwriting superblocks

L1494[11:23:01] <LactateFactate> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda

L1495[11:23:16] <gamax92> LactateFactate: boring and lame

L1496[11:23:22] <LactateFactate> ok

L1497[11:23:26] <LactateFactate> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda

L1498[11:23:34] <gamax92> LactateFactate: slower and lame

L1499[11:23:36] <LactateFactate> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/fb0

L1500[11:23:45] <gamax92> LactateFactate: slower and doesn't work most of the time

L1501[11:23:57] <LactateFactate> Actually, it works for me in a TTY

L1502[11:24:04] <gamax92> good for you?

L1503[11:24:08] <LactateFactate> Yeah

L1504[11:24:10] <LactateFactate> Good

L1505[11:24:11] <LactateFactate> For

L1506[11:24:11] <LactateFactate> Me

L1507[11:24:17] <gamax92> OI

L1508[11:24:24] <gamax92> WAT DA FAK M8

L1509[11:24:29] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, still resolving after half an hour

L1510[11:24:34] <gamax92> U WANNA HAVE A GARGLE

L1511[11:24:46] <Cruor> gamax92: 1v1 me at baron you scrub

L1512[11:25:39] <gamax92> I don't know where that is

L1513[11:25:44] <gamax92> please inform

L1514[11:28:02] <gamax92> Cruor: inform dammit

L1515[11:28:08] <gamax92> fukin scrub

L1516[11:30:06] <Cruor> pls

L1517[11:30:25] <gamax92> I'm not here to please you

L1518[11:30:28] <gamax92> I'm your boss

L1519[11:30:31] <Kubuxu> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: GradleStart ...

L1520[11:30:35] <gamax92> I want the report on my desk by 8:04pm

L1521[11:30:57] <Kubuxu> Ok, I know what it is.

L1522[11:31:17] <gamax92> you know what I do in instances like this?

L1523[11:31:32] <gamax92> purge the ~/.gradle folder and start over

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L1525[11:33:49] <gamax92> "a == b" is "abs(b - a) < epsilon"

L1526[11:36:56] <MindWorX> Which is the right way to do it :P

L1527[11:37:13] <MindWorX> Never do == with floating point values.

L1528[11:37:25] <gamax92> why not

L1529[11:37:47] <gamax92> what if you aren't retarded and don't want to be fooled by two close but not same values

L1530[11:38:29] <MindWorX> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1088216/whats-wrong-with-using-to-compare-floats-in-java

L1531[11:38:41] <MindWorX> Plenty of articles on floating point precision. I'm not going to lecture you. :)

L1532[11:38:50] <Kubuxu> gamax92: because 1/3+1/3+1/3 != 1

L1533[11:39:33] <Kubuxu> It might even be broken in Lua.

L1534[11:39:36] <Kubuxu> .l 1/3+1/3+1/3 == 1

L1535[11:39:36] <^v4> Kubuxu, true

L1536[11:39:41] <Kubuxu> Or might work.

L1537[11:40:02] <gamax92> Kubuxu: double is smarter than that.

L1538[11:40:10] <Kubuxu> no, it isn't

L1539[11:40:18] <gamax92> rather IEEE rounding behaviour

L1540[11:40:23] <gamax92> considering it just worked, yes it is

L1541[11:40:29] <Kubuxu> Double is just float with more bits

L1542[11:40:33] <gamax92> or are you blind to the "true"

L1543[11:40:40] <Kubuxu> nope, it just happen to be right

L1544[11:41:02] <Kubuxu> .l 0.3+0.6 == 0.9

L1545[11:41:02] <^v4> Kubuxu, false

L1546[11:41:06] <Kubuxu> gamax92: ^^

L1547[11:41:28] <Mimiru> %tell kodos give me a jar so I can decomp it re: the %tell you sent me

L1548[11:41:29] <MichiBot> Mimiru: kodos will be notified of this message when next seen.

L1549[11:41:32] <Mimiru> Err shit

L1550[11:41:37] <Mimiru> %tell Kodos give me a jar so I can decomp it re: the %tell you sent me

L1551[11:41:37] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Kodos will be notified of this message when next seen.

L1552[11:41:45] <Mimiru> I forgot it's case sensitive

L1553[11:41:48] <gamax92> hmm

L1554[11:42:02] <gamax92> #lua string.format("%.20f",0.3+0.6)

L1555[11:42:02] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0.89999999999999991118

L1556[11:42:05] <gamax92> #lua string.format("%.20f",0.9)

L1557[11:42:05] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0.90000000000000002220

L1558[11:42:15] <gamax92> mmhm

L1559[11:42:39] <Kubuxu> there ace cases when even order of operations will change result.

L1560[11:42:53] <Vexatos> day 556: Still resolving

L1561[11:43:05] <gamax92> see the thing about "epsilon" when I originally stated it

L1562[11:43:08] <Vexatos> my new year's resolution: Depencies.

L1563[11:43:17] <Vexatos> Dependencies >_>

L1564[11:43:32] <gamax92> is that "epsilon" was referring to the lowest number you could have while still being above 0

L1565[11:44:12] <Kubuxu> Nope, epsilon should be calculated basing on maximum imprecision of both of those numbers.

L1566[11:44:18] <gamax92> I know that

L1567[11:44:21] <gamax92> but in my statemtn

L1568[11:44:25] <gamax92> it was referring to that

L1569[11:44:31] <gamax92> I don't care what you can define it as

L1570[11:45:12] <S3> ok

L1571[11:45:21] <Kubuxu> You should.

L1572[11:45:21] <S3> fiance has bad anxiety attacks

L1573[11:45:28] <S3> fiance starts taking meds

L1574[11:45:33] <S3> 2 days later..

L1575[11:45:43] <S3> fiance having anxiety about getting anxiety

L1576[11:46:13] <Vexatos> how to solve: TAKE MOAR MEDS

L1577[11:46:14] <Vexatos> >_>

L1578[11:46:21] <S3> ...

L1579[11:46:24] <S3> ok.

L1580[11:46:32] <S3> Give me a bit and I will start working on OCBSD more

L1581[11:46:43] <gamax92> Kubuxu: why?

L1582[11:47:03] <Kubuxu> because otherwise stuff won't work

L1583[11:47:52] <Kubuxu> example: while making NOVA we had test suit for linear algebra. It was using plain comparison for doubles

L1584[11:48:17] <Kubuxu> when we changed few implementations tests broke

L1585[11:48:22] <Kubuxu> but results were still ok.

L1586[11:48:48] <Kubuxu> You just never should use == for floating point comparison.

L1587[11:49:01] <Antheus> It took 47min for gradlew to do it's thing

L1588[11:49:02] <Antheus> .-.

L1589[11:49:10] <gamax92> wtf you idiot I was talking about what epsilon was, not the idea of using ==

L1590[11:49:41] <gamax92> do you even listen

L1591[11:50:17] <Kubuxu> no I don't, I stop when someone calls me an idiot without a reason.

L1592[11:50:30] <gamax92> good, please stop, you wern't even trying at all

L1593[11:51:03] <S3> gamax92, parallel init system for ocbsd? feasible to a point it is worth it you thinks?

L1594[11:51:10] <S3> obviously rc based

L1595[11:51:15] <gamax92> ehh? parallel init?

L1596[11:51:29] <S3> like, rc.d, but parallel for faster boot

L1597[11:51:54] <S3> I don't think it's worth it

L1598[11:51:59] * gamax92 uses systemd

L1599[11:52:00] <Kubuxu> won't speed up anything, unless you have os.sleep(10) somewhere

L1600[11:52:25] <S3> Kubuxu, ocbsd forces you to sleep every time you make a system call

L1601[11:52:35] <S3> such as read() etc

L1602[11:52:45] <S3> without those, your programs are useless.

L1603[11:53:01] <S3> sneaky eh?

L1604[11:53:23] <gamax92> as long as you don't make it slower that openos ...

L1605[11:53:58] <Kubuxu> yes but those sleeps are os.sleep(0) telling: gimme the processor back, I am just sleeping so you can process data I gave you.

L1606[11:54:28] <S3> gamax92, I can't say much, but most of the speed decrease in openos I have seen is all disk IO

L1607[11:54:40] <S3> and if you enable sector cache in ocbsd.. not an issue.

L1608[11:54:41] <gamax92> true :P

L1609[11:55:06] <S3> because then itl just write either when it absolutely has to or once every X interval

L1610[11:55:12] <S3> or something

L1611[11:55:26] <S3> no more waiting for tons of IO to go through

L1612[11:55:31] <gamax92> that reminds me, does the GC remove stuff from a weak table when running out of memory?

L1613[11:56:08] <gamax92> like if I want to use a weak table as a cache

L1614[11:56:14] <S3> That's actually a pretty good wonder

L1615[11:56:26] <S3> from what I remember Sangar said once its out it's out

L1616[11:56:30] <S3> and bam crash

L1617[11:56:43] <S3> which is why I was talking about ds's vm

L1618[11:56:54] <gamax92> err, why crash?

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L1620[11:57:28] <gamax92> all that would happen is that you fetch a nil, realize it's no longer cached, and fetch the relevant thing

L1621[11:57:29] <S3> ever ran out of memory?

L1622[11:57:37] <Vexatos> Antheus, day 4122: still resolving dependencies.

L1623[11:57:39] <S3> in OC

L1624[11:57:45] <Antheus> :P

L1625[11:57:48] <Vexatos> I blame Sangar

L1626[11:57:54] <S3> I've done it without OpenOS and it took a giant crap

L1627[11:57:55] <gamax92> yeah

L1628[11:58:08] <S3> it was like, NOPE! shutdown.

L1629[11:58:22] <Kubuxu> Vexatos: I've resolved them (20mins again).

L1630[11:58:46] <Vexatos> I tried it for 6 hours

L1631[11:58:49] <Vexatos> about two days ago

L1632[11:58:59] <Vexatos> I don't even have network traffic right now

L1633[11:59:03] <Vexatos> it simply won't connect

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L1635[11:59:11] <CJNP> hi

L1636[11:59:36] <S3> Lua is so dependant of its stack, it makes me wonder if a stack overflow counts as an out of memory issue.

L1637[11:59:50] <gamax92> hi

L1638[12:00:00] <S3> I would assume it baloons until it hits the ceiling of memory

L1639[12:00:08] <gamax92> lua has a stack limit ...

L1640[12:00:13] <S3> oh really

L1641[12:01:47] <Kubuxu> http://hastebin.com/aducogejuv.pas

L1642[12:02:07] <CJNP> what is that

L1643[12:02:15] <CJNP> do i get haste

L1644[12:02:26] <Kubuxu> ??

L1645[12:02:29] <gamax92> ^

L1646[12:03:30] <gamax92> do you mean: do I know how to use a free service that anyone can use by opening a browser and going to hastebin.com, pasting stuff in, and saving it?

L1647[12:03:47] <S3> OK!

L1648[12:03:50] <Kubuxu> S3: so stack depth of Lua is about 1000000

L1649[12:03:53] <S3> I rebooted

L1650[12:04:03] <S3> that's a decent depth

L1651[12:04:08] <Kubuxu> But arguments are also passed by stack IIRC

L1652[12:04:10] <S3> I was worried I would worry about it in OCBSD

L1653[12:04:16] <S3> but I guess not.

L1654[12:04:26] <S3> yeah

L1655[12:04:33] <S3> Kubuxu: EVERYTHING goes on the stack

L1656[12:04:39] <S3> if you want to pass a C function to lua

L1657[12:04:42] <S3> it goes on the stack

L1658[12:04:53] <gamax92> ahh found it

L1659[12:04:55] <gamax92> S3: http://www.lua.org/source/5.2/luaconf.h.html#LUAI_MAXSTACK

L1660[12:04:57] <S3> if you want to add a variable it goes on the stack

L1661[12:04:59] <gamax92> (scroll up a little)

L1662[12:05:47] <S3> that's not a bad number

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L1664[12:06:09] <gamax92> so yeah, 1000000 unless you're 16bits only :P

L1665[12:06:10] <S3> gamax92: how is ocemu?

L1666[12:06:15] <gamax92> it's unchanged

L1667[12:06:19] <S3> hmm

L1668[12:06:24] <S3> I was going to try compiling it again

L1669[12:06:25] <S3> lol

L1670[12:06:30] <gamax92> okay feel free

L1671[12:06:44] <gamax92> oh wait, you're on BSD right?

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L1673[12:07:31] <S3> yep

L1674[12:07:36] <gamax92> okay, have fun then :P

L1675[12:07:47] <S3> gmake was successful so far..

L1676[12:07:53] <gamax92> can probably poke greaser|q though since iirc he's also on BSD and got it to compile

L1677[12:08:00] <S3> WOOT

L1678[12:08:06] <S3> I just remembver having problems

L1679[12:09:04] <S3> ok luafilesystem done

L1680[12:09:18] <S3> utf8...

L1681[12:09:30] <gamax92> :D

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L1683[12:09:32] <S3> luasocket... going good so far

L1684[12:09:34] <Vexatos> wait wat

L1685[12:09:35] <gamax92> :DD

L1686[12:09:39] <gamax92> Hi Vexatos

L1687[12:09:43] <Vexatos> My connected went derp

L1688[12:09:45] <gamax92> has your gradle cradled it self?

L1689[12:09:51] <Vexatos> couldn't load any video anymore

L1690[12:09:52] <S3> luasec.. OMG!

L1691[12:09:55] <Vexatos> then I realized

L1692[12:09:58] <S3> I think luasec failed last time

L1693[12:09:59] <Vexatos> Ctrl+Alt+Right

L1694[12:10:00] <Vexatos> And

L1695[12:10:01] <Vexatos> BEHOLD

L1696[12:10:04] <Vexatos> IT HAS RESOLVED

L1697[12:10:06] <gamax92> ... S3 are you using a script?

L1698[12:10:11] <S3> nope

L1699[12:10:14] <gamax92> okay :P

L1700[12:10:19] <Vexatos> Sangar, only took 90 minutes kthx

L1701[12:10:25] <S3> I'm reading the readme

L1702[12:10:27] <S3> now for luaffi

L1703[12:10:32] <gamax92> luaffi is problematic

L1704[12:10:37] <gamax92> also don't compile it on 5.3

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L1706[12:10:49] <S3> hrm

L1707[12:10:54] <S3> I dunno what I'm using

L1708[12:10:56] <S3> 5.2 I think

L1710[12:11:42] <gamax92> not 5.2.4 :o

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L1712[12:11:52] <gamax92> what are you, an out of date savage!

L1713[12:11:53] <S3> I haven't updated for a while

L1714[12:12:07] <S3> wat

L1715[12:12:08] <S3> ffi.c:2157:35: error: implicitly declaring library function 'cpow' with type '_Complex double (_Complex double, _Complex double)' [-Werror]

L1716[12:12:18] <gamax92> yeah greaser|q got that error

L1717[12:12:45] <gamax92> I don't remember what he said about it though ...

L1718[12:12:51] <S3> time to patch

L1719[12:14:29] <S3> I see why

L1720[12:14:45] <S3> it is expanding a macro called POWC

L1721[12:14:50] <S3> which just points to cpow()

L1722[12:14:51] <Magik6k> Sangar, any idea for that rendering issue? may that be corrupted server map?

L1723[12:15:30] <S3> FreeBSD iirc doesn't have a cpow gamax92 is all

L1724[12:15:55] * gamax92 shrugs

L1725[12:16:27] <gamax92> also I'm going to go revise my readme in a bit maybe ...

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L1730[12:29:36] <S3> gamax92: how dependent is ocemu on luaffi itself

L1731[12:29:39] <S3> that particular one

L1732[12:29:40] <S3> because:

L1733[12:29:42] <S3> 13:23 < BadCoderFinger> There's a lua52-alien which claims to be an interface to C FFI.

L1734[12:30:12] <gamax92> ._.

L1735[12:30:12] <Vexatos> CRAP

L1736[12:30:17] * gamax92 stabs S3

L1737[12:30:22] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, now it's stuck downloading ExtraCells

L1738[12:30:37] <Kubuxu> my just worked :D

L1739[12:31:41] <S3> this stuff is so weird

L1740[12:31:45] <S3> peanut butter flavored ramen

L1741[12:32:53] <Antheus> >Tries to copy 50GB of stuff from a HDD to SSD

L1742[12:32:57] <Antheus> >Windows Crashes

L1743[12:34:49] <S3> so I was being dangerous

L1744[12:35:05] <S3> and decided to disable warnings hoping that oceemu would NEVER use complex numbers (why would it)

L1745[12:35:09] <S3> and oops

L1746[12:35:12] <S3> /usr/local/lib/lua/5.2/ffi.so: Undefined symbol "cpow"

L1747[12:35:15] <S3> :D

L1748[12:35:17] <S3> first thing it does

L1749[12:35:27] <vifino> gamax92: web development in assembly

L1750[12:35:32] <vifino> I did it.

L1751[12:35:37] <MindWorX> Antheus, Sounds like one of the drives is failing :)

L1752[12:35:41] <S3> vifino: if it makes you feel better

L1753[12:35:47] <vifino> S3: No, no it doesn't.

L1754[12:35:51] <S3> I once write myscript.cgi with this:

L1755[12:35:59] <S3> #!/usr/local/bin/bf

L1756[12:36:00] <S3> :)

L1757[12:36:10] <S3> a long time ago

L1758[12:36:24] <Antheus> MindWorX, nah, it was just windows being windows

L1759[12:36:26] <vifino> Boring.

L1760[12:36:39] <MindWorX> Antheus, Windoes isn't going to crash on transfering between healthy drives.

L1761[12:36:43] <MindWorX> Why would it?

L1762[12:36:55] <MindWorX> Thousands of engineers. Can't code software to copy data?

L1763[12:36:57] <Antheus> MindWorX, It wasn't related to the files transfering

L1764[12:37:02] <Antheus> it was something else

L1765[12:37:20] <MindWorX> Phrasing then :P

L1766[12:37:25] <S3> gamax92: Another thing I could do is compile gmp

L1767[12:37:28] <S3> and use that

L1768[12:37:31] <S3> with a hack

L1769[12:38:07] <S3> I think that is what I will do

L1770[12:38:15] <vifino> http://files.phosphor.i0i0.me/cgi-bin/asm_hello_world.cgi

L1771[12:38:17] <vifino> woo

L1772[12:38:57] <vifino> Granted, I am forced to have libc linked, since I use printf. ¬_¬

L1773[12:39:56] <Antheus> ghijklmnop

L1774[12:40:32] * vifino reboots Antheus

L1775[12:40:49] <Antheus> Error is function "reboot"

L1776[12:41:14] * Saphire boops Antheus

L1777[12:41:38] * Antheus doops Saphire

L1778[12:41:48] <Antheus> Dangeros, why do you have two accounts

L1779[12:42:40] <gamax92> S3: can't you just copy the other POWC stub and replace it so it doesn't use cpow

L1780[12:42:53] <Saphire> Antheus: why not?

L1781[12:43:04] <gamax92> S3: like 6 lines below: #define POWC(l,r,s) (void) l, (void) r, memset(&s, 0, sizeof(s)), luaL_error(L, "NYI: complex pow")

L1782[12:43:04] <Antheus> Why so?

L1783[12:43:22] <Saphire> just for lulz?

L1784[12:43:32] <Antheus> just fo lulz.

L1785[12:43:51] <Saphire> too lazy to add main bouncer on phone client

L1786[12:44:01] <Antheus> I see

L1787[12:44:15] <Antheus> The app I was using now crashes when I try to connect to EnderBNC

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L1789[12:44:38] <S3> gamax92: I thought of it, but I was afraid that would break stuff

L1790[12:44:44] <gamax92> probably wont

L1791[12:44:46] <Saphire> but i DO use boucer.. the home bouncer

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L1793[12:44:49] <S3> then again compiling without warning errors is just as bad :D

L1794[12:44:52] <S3> or worse

L1795[12:46:27] <S3> omw the filesystem is full AGAIN

L1796[12:52:07] <Izaya> #lua 1000/32

L1797[12:52:07] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 31.25

L1798[12:52:13] <S3> gamax92: ... what's with the random (void) r ?

L1799[12:52:33] <gamax92> i guess to make the compiler shut up about unreferenced things

L1800[12:55:58] <S3> Ok we have a problem

L1801[12:56:08] <S3> at first I thought it was just a loose door

L1802[12:56:17] <S3> but my cat can open doors with doorknobs now

L1803[12:56:25] <S3> ...

L1804[12:56:36] <Sangar> Magik6k, did you play around with the setViewport thing?

L1805[12:57:04] <S3> yay next error

L1806[12:58:08] <Sangar> could be caused by a viewport > resolution. which should be impossible, but i suppose i missed something

L1807[12:58:45] <S3> oh, might help if I install SDL

L1808[12:59:31] <S3> gamax92: I got it to work!

L1809[12:59:39] <gamax92> yay

L1810[12:59:40] <S3> it just crashes when initializing components :D

L1811[12:59:43] <gamax92> oh ...

L1812[13:00:01] <S3> yield true false /lib/term.lua:228: attempt to call field 'getViewport' (a nil value)

L1813[13:00:12] <gamax92> SANGAR WHAT DID YOU DO

L1814[13:00:26] <S3> wasn't he just talking about that function?

L1815[13:00:52] <S3> so nope, setViewport

L1816[13:00:55] <S3> oh*

L1817[13:01:07] <S3> Sangar broke it

L1818[13:01:13] <Sangar> :P

L1819[13:01:27] <Sangar> i added get/setViewport

L1820[13:01:31] <gamax92> to what

L1821[13:01:34] <Sangar> gpu

L1822[13:01:37] <gamax92> okay

L1823[13:02:00] <S3> http://hastebin.com/abaqegaxob.rb

L1824[13:02:00] <S3> lolol

L1825[13:02:36] <greaser|q> S3: lemme guess, you replaced the call to cpow with an assert or made it use the "cpow not supported" path?

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L1827[13:03:24] <greaser|q> anyway all the non-corrupt files in my home directory are copied to my crux install so it probably won't be too long before i'm using linux full-time again

L1828[13:04:02] <gamax92> hey Sangar, nice copy pasted method documentation there ;)

L1829[13:04:05] <asie> greaser|q: yay

L1830[13:04:14] <S3> greaser|q: I actually considered seeing if libgmp had cpow but it doesn't. there's a macro right above CPOW that says not implemented, like gamax92 referred to, and that's all I did

L1831[13:04:20] <S3> but yes

L1832[13:04:48] <Sangar> gamax92, ah right, documentation :P

L1833[13:05:35] <gamax92> what exactly is this viewport thing ...

L1834[13:05:51] <Sangar> sets the area of the actual buffer that's displayed

L1835[13:06:13] <S3> WOO

L1836[13:06:16] <S3> that's amazing

L1837[13:06:27] <S3> we finally have disconnected framebuffers?!

L1838[13:06:36] <Sangar> gamax92, allows this e.g.: https://gfycat.com/SlushyMintyDiscus

L1839[13:06:38] <gamax92> Sangar: it only takes width and height?

L1840[13:06:39] <Sangar> well, sorta

L1841[13:06:40] <S3> so we can have offscreen rendering?

L1842[13:06:53] <Sangar> you can essentially use the not-viewport area as backbuffer and copy around

L1843[13:07:00] <gamax92> Sangar: oh, you're cheaply copying

L1844[13:07:03] <S3> so we can make sidescrollers?

L1845[13:07:09] <S3> :D

L1846[13:07:17] <Sangar> gamax92, yeah, viewport always starts at 0,0

L1847[13:07:28] <gamax92> okay, so viewport is now resolution and resolution is now buffer size

L1848[13:07:42] <Sangar> basically

L1849[13:07:49] <S3> is there a way to have more than one viewport and have others invisible? so that we can swap them in and out

L1850[13:08:00] <Sangar> but to keep things compatible resolution is still called that, and also sets the viewport

L1851[13:08:00] <gamax92> Sangar: what happens if you set the resolution below the viewport size?

L1852[13:08:03] <S3> that could be useful for vtys

L1853[13:08:26] <gamax92> okay so: resolution sets viewport size and buffer size, and viewport sets viewport size?

L1854[13:08:33] <Sangar> yep

L1855[13:09:17] <Sangar> only one buffer and main viewport for now at least

L1856[13:09:44] <Magik6k> Sangar, nope

L1857[13:10:11] <Sangar> Magik6k, hrm. because that could have explained it. darn.

L1858[13:10:13] <Magik6k> but

L1859[13:10:25] <Vexatos> Sangar, can you still set pixels on non-displayed spaces?

L1860[13:10:26] <Magik6k> I had set resolution of one of screens-

L1861[13:10:31] <Sangar> Vexatos, yes

L1862[13:10:36] <Vexatos> gewd

L1863[13:10:50] <Vexatos> oh nice

L1864[13:10:57] <Vexatos> it's resolving all the provided deps now

L1865[13:10:59] <Vexatos> PROGRESS

L1866[13:11:03] <Sangar> Magik6k, from to?

L1867[13:11:27] <Magik6k> From T3 to something smallish up to 20

L1868[13:12:05] <S3> there.

L1869[13:12:22] <Sangar> hrm, going up again also works as expected here

L1870[13:12:28] <Sangar> strange

L1871[13:13:03] <Sangar> you say it happens 'randomly'?

L1872[13:13:09] <S3> gamax92: so, I'm assuming that ocemu won't work with openos sources and stuff until it is updated for the new graphics stuff?

L1873[13:13:21] <gamax92> I'm hackfixing it right now

L1874[13:13:23] <S3> with new openos sources*

L1875[13:13:24] <S3> lol

L1876[13:13:27] <Magik6k> Nah, its 100% of time you join server and look at that screen

L1877[13:13:33] <Sangar> ah, ok

L1878[13:13:41] <Sangar> can you get me the nbt of the screen?

L1879[13:13:56] <Magik6k> Randomly as some ppl who didn't see it servived

L1880[13:14:03] <Magik6k> And it only crashed on join

L1881[13:14:07] <S3> woah

L1882[13:14:11] <Magik6k> aaand will ry

L1883[13:14:12] <Sangar> right

L1884[13:14:16] <S3> 21 deletions to readme.md within the past hour

L1885[13:14:18] <Sangar> thanks

L1886[13:14:49] <gamax92> S3: done

L1887[13:14:52] <S3> whee!

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L1889[13:15:06] <S3> WORKS!

L1890[13:15:10] <S3> gamax92 saves the day

L1891[13:15:27] <S3> I am so happy I can finally do OCBSD work without dealing with minecraft omg

L1892[13:15:43] <S3> minecraft makes the eeprom / disk / yada yada crap take forever

L1893[13:15:53] <Inari> it does?

L1894[13:15:56] <S3> Inari: well

L1895[13:15:58] <Inari> well eeprom i guess

L1896[13:16:03] <S3> having 2 or 3 oc computers and swapping between them

L1897[13:16:04] <S3> etc

L1898[13:16:07] <S3> rewriting them..

L1899[13:16:12] <Inari> but disk not really

L1900[13:16:13] <S3> moving stuyff back and forth

L1901[13:16:14] <S3> testing

L1902[13:16:17] <Inari> assuming you turn off the buffer thingy

L1903[13:16:21] <S3> yeah.. but eeprom is stored in nbt

L1904[13:16:23] <S3> or was at least

L1905[13:16:29] <S3> yeah I turned that off fast

L1906[13:16:30] <gamax92> still is iirc

L1907[13:16:43] <Inari> S3: what are you doint even?

L1908[13:16:43] <S3> I'm surprised eeprom is nbt honestly

L1909[13:16:46] <gamax92> why not just do a EEPROM -> file redirector

L1910[13:17:07] <Inari> either that or let the pc flash its own eeprom and then reboot on it

L1911[13:17:08] <Inari> xD

L1912[13:17:09] <gamax92> have the EEPROM cheaply load a file called /.eeprom.lua and boot that

L1913[13:17:23] <gamax92> so it's easier to do EEPROM development

L1914[13:17:40] <S3> yeah could

L1915[13:17:48] <S3> iirc that's why I had like 3 OC computers in my house

L1916[13:17:51] <S3> next to eachother

L1917[13:18:02] <S3> on one of them

L1918[13:18:09] * Inari reprograms S3's EEPROM

L1919[13:18:11] * Inari reboots S3

L1920[13:18:12] <S3> I had a gzip mounted thingy going on

L1921[13:18:18] <S3> so when I wrote to the disk

L1922[13:18:24] <S3> it would gzip/gunzip for me

L1923[13:18:33] <S3> but I still had to wait for update

L1924[13:18:54] <S3> so let's see here..

L1925[13:19:25] <S3> time to figure out how to add an unmanaged drive to OCEmu

L1926[13:21:48] <S3> looks like I have to write a drive component

L1927[13:22:03] <Turtle> hmh, I should probably try MC 1.8 now that mods are porting over to it

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L1929[13:30:28] <S3> WHAT

L1930[13:30:42] <S3> I think I found a problem with OC's key_down event

L1931[13:30:44] <S3> thing

L1932[13:30:47] <S3> or something

L1933[13:31:03] <S3> I guess I'll have to do it with software

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L1935[13:33:03] <S3> it appears that when I hold the control key down and press a key, weird things happen

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L1939[13:43:07] <S3> Sangar: I know this is going to sound reallly weird, but could I recommend a patch or even supply one for OC to fix the control key?

L1940[13:43:35] <S3> or maybe it is working and I just am not realizing it

L1941[13:44:05] <S3> you know, I think I know what I'm doing

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L1943[13:45:23] <S3> I remember this actually working

L1944[13:45:54] <S3> for some reason it freaked me out that when I look at the dmesg from key_down ctrl doesn't cut the first two bits off of the number

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L1946[13:49:42] <vifino> 540 bytes. I did it.

L1947[13:50:16] <vifino> While I can't say every byte is justified, I sure as hell say I'm happy with that size.

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L1949[13:53:11] <S3> what you doin

L1950[13:53:44] <vifino> S3: x86 assembly.

L1951[13:54:00] <S3> That won't fit in an MBR :D

L1952[13:54:18] <vifino> I'm not trying to.

L1953[14:00:50] <Kubuxu> Sangar: so I will work on Advanced Internet Card. It would work by assigning each cards of those IPv6 basing on their UUID from range specified in config. It would require configuration outside of config file. You would have to have whole block of IPv6 routed to the host machine and binding chosen block as AnyIP and enabling nonlocal bind. It is peaty straightforward and with little guide in config

L1954[14:00:52] <Kubuxu> file someone even without much experience will be able to do it.

L1955[14:00:54] <Kubuxu> The card itself would be in two tiers, one giving exactly one address and one giving 256 of them for advanced usage. The cost of a card would have to be higher than cost of linked card but it is that is not an obstacle.

L1956[14:02:33] <S3> gamax92: where the heck is the filesystem for ocemu

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L1961[14:07:39] <Kodos> o/

L1962[14:07:54] <Kodos> Uhhh

L1963[14:08:01] <Kodos> Mimi, you around?

L1964[14:08:40] <Sangar> Kubuxu, sounds good to me

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L1966[14:09:07] <Vexatos> Sangar, still resolving

L1967[14:09:12] <Sangar> S3, what's broken with ctrl?

L1968[14:09:19] <Soni> 819 L->allowhook = 0; /* stop debug hooks during GC metamethod */

L1969[14:09:20] <Soni> 820 g->gcrunning = 0; /* avoid GC steps */

L1970[14:09:20] <Soni> 821 setobj2s(L, L->top, tm); /* push finalizer... */

L1971[14:09:20] <Soni> 822 setobj2s(L, L->top + 1, &v); /* ... and its argument */

L1972[14:09:20] <Soni> 823 L->top += 2; /* and (next line) call the finalizer */

L1973[14:09:20] <Soni> 824 status = luaD_pcall(L, dothecall, NULL, savestack(L, L->top - 2), 0);

L1974[14:09:22] <Soni> 825 L->allowhook = oldah; /* restore hooks */

L1975[14:09:24] <Soni> 826 g->gcrunning = running; /* restore state */

L1976[14:09:32] <vifino> .

L1977[14:09:37] <Kodos> !kickban Soni Spam

L1978[14:09:37] *** Soni was kicked by zsh ((Kodos) Spam))

L1979[14:09:37] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

L1980[14:09:44] <vifino> Thanks Kodos.

L1981[14:09:48] <Kodos> Indeed

L1982[14:10:29] <Kodos> Apparently that's some sort of __gc exploit?

L1983[14:10:50] <Kubuxu> I would request at minimum block of /96 which gives 2^32 addresses. Collision risk is low enough and standard dedicated server coming with /64 has 2^32 spaces like that.

L1984[14:11:10] <Kodos> What are we discussing? Sounds interesting

L1985[14:11:57] <Alex-Learning> Soni got kickbanned everywhere lol

L1986[14:12:06] <Alex-Learning> gets *

L1987[14:12:18] <Kodos> That's because she's an annoying twat

L1988[14:12:28] <vifino> So, what is that what they pasted?

L1989[14:12:30] <Alex-Learning> he

L1990[14:12:31] <Kodos> Apparently she's also no longer going to report security issues

L1991[14:12:38] <Kodos> vifino: GC exploit that disables gc

L1992[14:12:39] <Alex-Learning> its a guy..

L1993[14:12:45] <Kodos> Presumably for OC

L1994[14:12:57] <Kodos> Alex, iirc Soni is trans

L1995[14:12:57] <vifino> Kodos: that sounds nice.

L1996[14:13:05] <Kodos> No idea for sure though

L1997[14:13:08] <Kodos> you never know on the internet

L1998[14:14:05] <Magik6k> Sangar, I got that info from marcin212: http://hastebin.com/itavegakah.avrasm http://img.bymarcin.com/screenshot-210816-100116.png

L1999[14:14:11] <vifino> Kodos: Also, I doubt it is for OC. That code looks like C.

L2000[14:14:27] <vifino> Though I have no idea

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L2002[14:14:46] <vifino> At least it's not running *in* oc computers, so it basically doesn't matter.

L2003[14:15:18] <Kodos> No idea. Soni posted it, so I automatically don't give a shit

L2004[14:15:35] <MindWorX> Can anyone point me to a tutorial on how to make my own peripheral?

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L2007[14:16:41] <MindWorX> Or just perhaps some decently commented source code for a simple peripheral? :P

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L2009[14:17:11] <CJNP> hi

L2010[14:17:38] <CJNP> e

L2011[14:17:41] <CJNP> s

L2012[14:17:51] * g looks around

L2013[14:17:54] <Kodos> CJNP: Don't spam, please

L2014[14:18:00] <CJNP> sorry

L2015[14:18:26] <g> MindWorX: BigReactors has one, but I think that may just be a ComputerCraft one (since OC supports those)

L2016[14:19:23] <Vexatos> MindWorX, just look at https://github.com/MightyPirates

L2017[14:19:31] <Vexatos> there is a lot of "OC-Example" repos

L2018[14:19:43] <MindWorX> Awesome

L2019[14:19:46] <MindWorX> I'll give it a try

L2020[14:19:50] <Vexatos> you probably want example-tileentity

L2021[14:19:57] <MindWorX> Yeah, already opened it :P

L2022[14:20:00] <Vexatos> or blockdriver if it's not your mod

L2023[14:20:11] <Vexatos> or if it's not a computer mod at all

L2024[14:21:45] <MindWorX> I'm guessing blockdriver is for blocks that don't implement an interface?

L2025[14:21:56] <MindWorX> So like, to drive a vanilla piston, I'd use a blockdriver.

L2026[14:22:07] <MindWorX> But to give my own blocks funcionality, I use tilenentity?

L2027[14:22:19] <g> I guess it adds OC support to blocks that have already been registered

L2028[14:22:31] <g> rather than you making a block/tileentity that supports OC directly

L2029[14:22:58] <Mimiru> g, I wrote the initial OC support for BR, it's not just piggybacked on the CC support.

L2030[14:23:07] <Mimiru> Sangar, rewrote it before it got pulled though

L2031[14:23:10] <g> Mimiru: \o/

L2032[14:26:21] <Kodos> Mimiru: Remind me what my tell was :x

L2033[14:26:31] <greaser|q> morning

L2034[14:26:45] <greaser|q> i have no clue why soni was posting that shit anyway, it seems to ahve been copy-pasted from the lua source

L2035[14:26:54] <Mimiru> something about turrets

L2036[14:26:57] <Mimiru> Kodos,

L2037[14:28:03] <Kodos> Oh, right

L2038[14:28:08] <Kodos> Uhh the jar is on my computer

L2039[14:28:23] <Mimiru> bleh..

L2040[14:28:32] <Kodos> Just a sec

L2041[14:29:13] <Sangar> Magik6k, thanks. now... can you grab me the 08cebd..._buffer file from worldsave/opencomputers/state/...? :X

L2042[14:29:46]

<Mimiru> test

L2043[14:29:49]

<Mimiru> yay

L2044[14:29:50] <Kodos> Mimiru: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4kkmdubumsbj7nh/modid-1.0.jar?dl=0

L2045[14:30:03] <Kodos> Forgot he gave me a link to it via reddit

L2046[14:30:04] <Kodos> Tada

L2047[14:30:25] <Mimiru> "modid"

L2048[14:30:25] <Mimiru> lol

L2049[14:30:44] <Kodos> I know lol

L2050[14:31:15] <Inari> whats BR

L2051[14:31:21] <Daiyousei> br? br!

L2052[14:31:25] <Daiyousei> huehuehueHUEHUE

L2053[14:31:26] <Inari> oh

L2054[14:31:28] <Inari> bigreactors

L2055[14:31:45] <Elizabeth> Bigfoot's Rectum

L2056[14:31:46] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/9XdacHl

L2057[14:33:16] <Mimiru> FutureComputers...

L2058[14:33:19] <MindWorX> Vexatos, They seem a bit dated :P Still using manual ids. I'm guessing I need to look up some changelogs and perhaps update the gradle settings a bit? :P

L2059[14:33:59] <Vexatos> <MindWorX> But to give my own blocks funcionality, I use tilenentity?

L2060[14:34:01] <Vexatos> Not necessarily

L2061[14:34:16] <Vexatos> only implement Environment if your block is actually related to computers somehow

L2062[14:34:25] <Vexatos> if it's just a pulverizer, use a driver anyway

L2063[14:34:30] <Vexatos> Mekanism only uses block drivers

L2064[14:34:44] <MindWorX> Fair enough

L2065[14:34:45] <Vexatos> RotaryCraft doesn't and that makes it pretty much not work with OC at all.

L2066[14:35:04] <Kodos> s/pretty much//g

L2067[14:35:05] <MichiBot> <Vexatos> RotaryCraft doesn't and that makes it not work with OC at all.

L2068[14:35:17] <MindWorX> Okay

L2069[14:35:49] <MindWorX> Well, my idea is to make a mod kinda like Steve's Factory Manager, but for OC.

L2070[14:35:57] <Mimiru> Ok Kodos I'll work on it as I get time

L2071[14:36:00] <MindWorX> So a bunch of peripherals with very simple functionality

L2072[14:36:27] <Kubuxu> How does AnyIP work: https://ipfs.pics/QmRkEBN8R1MMLYBLyZKWsTK7hQeioJTbVr913iavrhyJnj

L2073[14:36:36] <Vexatos> MindWorX, soo like the OC transposer?

L2074[14:36:37] <Magik6k> Sangar, http://cloud.bymarcin.com/index.php/s/sbHl4O6QYyX8gKR/download

L2075[14:36:49] <S3> whee

L2076[14:37:14] <MindWorX> Vexatos, Transposer?

L2077[14:37:24] <Kodos> ~w transposer

L2078[14:37:24] <ocdoc> Predicted http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-assert

L2079[14:37:26] <Kodos> ...

L2080[14:37:34] <Kodos> Where the hell is our docs guy

L2081[14:37:34] <MindWorX> Hah :P

L2082[14:37:36] <Kodos> Seriously

L2083[14:37:42] * DeanIsaKitty hides

L2084[14:38:09] <Temia> Yeah, I ran into issues finding absolutely no info about the transposer a while back too

L2085[14:39:29] <Temia> It's only fortunate that component API methods offer an explanitory blurb when printed now.

L2086[14:39:39] <g> <@Elizabeth> Bigfoot's Rectum

L2087[14:39:45] <g> you must have an interesting downloads folder

L2088[14:39:50] <g> :P

L2089[14:41:05] <Vexatos> Ah right

L2090[14:41:11] <Sangar> Magik6k, thanks

L2091[14:41:13] <Vexatos> Still too lazy to read the damn manual

L2092[14:41:17] <S3> What is a folder?

L2093[14:41:22] <Vexatos> Also NEI is a thing <_>

L2094[14:41:31] <g> directory, whatever

L2095[14:41:32] <Mimiru> Oh for fucks sake whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

L2096[14:41:35] <S3> :D

L2097[14:41:43] <S3> g: there is a difference!

L2098[14:41:50] <Mimiru> "GameRegistry cannot be resolved"

L2099[14:41:52] <Mimiru> \o/

L2100[14:41:54] <g> yes, but it's trivial at this level of conversation

L2101[14:41:58] <S3> lolol

L2102[14:42:00] <g> like Ribesg and his mibibytes

L2103[14:42:00] <g> :P

L2104[14:42:07] <MindWorX> Okay, found some info on the transposer. :P

L2105[14:42:46] <MindWorX> Vexatos, In that case, no. It's more in the area of block detection, removing and adding blocks, picking up or dropping items.

L2106[14:42:50] <Mimiru> Oh.. because it's still loading the fucking 1.8 deps

L2107[14:42:52] <Mimiru> why eclipse..?

L2108[14:42:53] <Mimiru> why?

L2109[14:42:57] <MindWorX> Things robots can do, but simplified down to a factory kinda system.

L2110[14:43:03] <MindWorX> So each block will do a single task.

L2111[14:43:52] <MindWorX> Useful for various tasks which involve placing blocks/dropping items like Botania :)

L2112[14:44:10] <MindWorX> Or just something like a simple tree farm. Place a sapling, detect a log, chop a tree, repeat.

L2113[14:44:23] <Vexatos> Pretty sure ASM it supposed to be getting OC interfaces

L2114[14:44:27] <Vexatos> if it doesn't have those already

L2115[14:44:39] <MindWorX> ASM?

L2116[14:46:47] <Vexatos> the SFM successor

L2117[14:47:11] <MindWorX> Didn't even know about that. :)

L2118[14:47:14] <MindWorX> Gotta check it out

L2119[14:47:51] <MindWorX> Advanced Systems Manager?

L2120[14:48:15] <S3> Sangar: I guess nothing. I got confused because I can't find the source code to half of my projects right now in lua for OC, and key_down wasn't giving me the right keycodes when I held down control

L2121[14:48:34] <S3> I am thinking I didn't pull from key_down then when I wrote my stuff

L2122[14:49:26] <Elizabeth> g, i thought that up on the spot

L2123[14:49:34] <g> Elizabeth, exactly!

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L2125[14:50:31] * Elizabeth sighs

L2126[14:51:19] <S3> man what happened to my miniforth

L2127[14:51:40] <Elizabeth> hello pit of despair, how have you been?

L2128[14:51:54] <g> I hope you know I'm not being serious

L2129[14:51:57] <g> ._.

L2130[14:52:27] <g> Sorry if I touched a nerve

L2131[14:52:35] <Elizabeth> g, i know. and the despair comment wasn't from you

L2132[14:52:46] <S3> ok. found miniforth

L2133[14:52:51] <S3> cant' find my partitioner

L2134[14:52:54] <g> Alright

L2135[14:53:05] <Elizabeth> I just feel really shit every now and then

L2136[14:53:51] <g> Is that a condition, or circumstantial?

L2137[14:54:02] <Elizabeth> I have no idea

L2138[14:54:24] <g> Alright, fair enough

L2139[14:54:27] <g> Feel better soon

L2140[14:54:28] * g pats

L2141[14:54:41] * vifino picks up Elizabeth and puts her on his shoulders

L2142[14:55:13] * Elizabeth purrs from pets

L2143[14:55:47] <S3> Where did lizzy go?>

L2144[14:55:57] <S3> apparently she doesn't like us anymore

L2145[14:56:05] <vifino> S3: Elizabeth is Lizzy.

L2146[14:56:12] <vifino> >.<

L2147[14:56:16] <S3> I know lol

L2148[14:56:20] <S3> I was just jesting

L2149[14:56:21] <vifino> ¬_¬

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L2155[15:05:55] <Sangar> hmmm, Magik6k, is it a multiblock screen?

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L2157[15:09:19] <Magik6k> Sangar, dunno, wait a sec

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L2159[15:11:01] * Elizabeth is currently serenading vifino with my amazing singing skills singing along to Bohemian Rhapsody

L2160[15:11:34] * vifino enjoys Elizabeth singing

L2161[15:14:00] <Kubuxu> Sangar: how does that works: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/scala/li/cil/oc/Settings.scala#L535 ?|

L2162[15:14:03] <Kubuxu> Because neither I nor Magik can figure it out.

L2163[15:14:05] <Magik6k> Sangar, apparently it's not: http://img.bymarcin.com/screenshot-221304-100116.png

L2164[15:14:20] <Kubuxu> Sangar: ok sorry

L2165[15:14:23] <Kubuxu> I know now

L2166[15:14:35] <Kubuxu> It returns lambd

L2167[15:15:58] <S3> ooh

L2168[15:16:11] <S3> Is lambd a daemon that creates shepherds' pies?

L2169[15:16:18] <S3> yum

L2170[15:16:22] <Kubuxu> Mhm

L2171[15:16:25] <S3> :)

L2172[15:18:51] <Mimiru> Kodos, http://michi.pc-logix.com/Minecraft_1.7.10_2016-01-10_15-18-36.png :P

L2173[15:20:24] <Kodos> Cool

L2174[15:20:32] <Kodos> Now get it to track entities so I don't have to use the ridiculous aiming

L2175[15:20:47] <Mimiru> Use an entity detector :P

L2176[15:20:58] <Kodos> Anything but the 0-1 shyt

L2177[15:21:28] <Mimiru> lol

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L2179[15:22:26] <Mimiru> Wish I had actual source.. some of this is a fun mess

L2180[15:23:04] <Inari> them textures

L2181[15:23:07] <S3> NOP

L2182[15:23:22] <SoraFirestorm> Hey, Mimiru, who do I go to about for building a new native library?

L2183[15:23:36] <SoraFirestorm> (well, anyone can answer)

L2184[15:23:51] <Mimiru> I'd guess Sangar..?

L2185[15:24:07] <SoraFirestorm> Figured as much. That'll be difficult time-wise, but that's alright

L2186[15:24:29] <Mimiru> He's around-ish atm

L2187[15:24:31] <SoraFirestorm> I think I have an idea for a patch to Lua to track per-coroutine memory usage

L2188[15:24:34] <Mimiru> %seen Sangar

L2189[15:24:35] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Sangar was last seen 18m 39s ago.

L2190[15:25:11] <SoraFirestorm> I haven't actually done it yet; just getting things lined up for when I do

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L2192[15:27:19] <SoraFirestorm> I've expressed interest in having the per-coroutine memory stuff, but would it be something Sangar would accept a patch for?

L2193[15:27:36] <Inari> dunno, open an issue and ask

L2194[15:27:49] <SoraFirestorm> Right, right

L2195[15:28:28] <SoraFirestorm> Think I'll just do the patch first

L2196[15:28:32] <SoraFirestorm> Sounds easy enough

L2197[15:28:33] <Sangar> SoraFirestorm, https://github.com/MightyPirates/OC-Natives clone that, ./gradlew x64RelNaSh

L2198[15:28:34] <Mimiru> Oh, Kodos possibility of generating the sound json on the fly, so no more having to modify the sounds.json

L2199[15:28:42] <Mimiru> Also, possibly loading from outside the jar

L2200[15:28:45] <Kodos> For the alarms?

L2201[15:28:46] <SoraFirestorm> ooooh, ok

L2202[15:28:48] <SoraFirestorm> Thanks Sangar

L2203[15:28:49] <Mimiru> Yes

L2204[15:28:50] <Kodos> Also

L2205[15:28:59] <Kodos> Are you planning on making any rack mounted versions of OS blocks?

L2206[15:29:00] <Sangar> just remember to clone with --recursive

L2207[15:29:09] <Mimiru> I sorta doubt it ATM

L2208[15:29:12] <Kodos> k

L2209[15:29:15] <Sangar> Magik6k, dang

L2210[15:29:28] <Mimiru> My co-worker goes back to school next week

L2211[15:29:40] <Mimiru> which leaves me having to do the wonderful high stress shit myself at work

L2212[15:29:42] <Mimiru> ._.

L2213[15:29:45] <Kodos> =\

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L2215[15:30:17] <Mimiru> Also, woo texture. http://michi.pc-logix.com/Minecraft_1.7.10_2016-01-10_15-30-09.png

L2216[15:30:31] <Mimiru> I'll work on it to make it look a bit more OS-y

L2217[15:30:37] <Kodos> btw

L2218[15:30:41] <Kodos> I pm'd the guy asking about sourcew

L2219[15:30:43] <Kodos> I'll keep you posted

L2220[15:30:56] <SoraFirestorm> And actually, before I start on the patch, I'd like opinions about what I should do for LuaJ

L2221[15:31:03] <SoraFirestorm> I don't actually have a plan for that

L2222[15:31:12] <Mimiru> Kodos, k

L2223[15:31:27] <SoraFirestorm> actually

L2224[15:31:29] <SoraFirestorm> holdon

L2225[15:31:45] <SoraFirestorm> I'll just do whatever OC does with getMemoryWhatever()

L2226[15:32:11] <Mimiru> Now to figure out how to aim and fire this damn thing to see if my port, worked...

L2227[15:32:15] <Mimiru> then I can work on modifying it

L2228[15:32:23] <Kodos> What are the method names

L2229[15:32:28] <SoraFirestorm> bye for now

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L2231[15:33:14] <Mimiru> erm, moveTo, fire, isReady, isOnTarget, getPitch, getYaw

L2232[15:33:21] <Mimiru> fire just returns 0.. gotta dig into why

L2233[15:33:36] <Mimiru> ahh 0 is success

L2234[15:33:40] <Mimiru> but nothing seems to happen

L2235[15:34:17] <Mimiru> Ahh

L2236[15:34:19] <Mimiru> it fired

L2237[15:34:21] <Mimiru> and killed a zombie

L2238[15:35:09] <Kodos> moveTo(pitch 0-1, .75 is 270 degrees clockwise, yaw same thing

L2239[15:35:14] <Kodos> 1 is straight up

L2240[15:35:41] <Mimiru> Yeah I got it

L2241[15:35:42] <Mimiru> woo

L2242[15:36:55] <Kodos> I'm excited. Last night I got the magcard door program working with a light board, so in addition to logging whether a player was allowed access, it also flashes a light either red or green, depending

L2243[15:40:38] <Mimiru> Nice

L2244[15:40:45] <Inari> sign up at onlinestore, choose password, get a signup confirmation email with your email address adn plaintext password in it, oh yesss always a sign of quality

L2245[15:40:56] <Kodos> lol

L2246[15:41:11] <Mimiru> I always send a sha512 hash of their password in the welcome email.

L2247[15:41:12] <Mimiru> :P

L2248[15:41:23] <Inari> you could like just not send it at all ;-;

L2249[15:41:35] <Mimiru> It was a joke...

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L2251[15:56:44] <MajGenRelativity> what is the hardness and blast resistance of chamelium?

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L2253[15:58:08] <Elizabeth> :3

L2254[15:58:19] * Elizabeth falls asleep in vifino's arms

L2255[15:58:30] <vifino> Aww :)

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L2258[16:16:18] <SoraFirestorm> Is there a separate Eris for Lua 5.3, or am I good just to make the change in the one place?

L2259[16:17:56] <SoraFirestorm> oops, nvm

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L2265[16:52:57] <vifino> https://i.imgur.com/Q9AkJ4j.jpg

L2266[16:53:05] <Kodos> Heh

L2267[16:53:18] <SoraFirestorm> lol

L2268[16:54:29] <SoraFirestorm> How do I test my new native lib?

L2269[16:54:50] <Kodos> What kind of lib is it

L2270[16:55:05] <SoraFirestorm> uh... a Linux shared object?

L2271[16:55:25] <Kodos> Oh, no idea then

L2272[16:55:25] <SoraFirestorm> Native library meaning OC native library

L2273[16:56:12] <DeanIsaKitty> SoraFirestorm: Do you want to do serious testing? Then write unit test in a scripting language of your choice that can do C bindins (e.g. Python)

L2274[16:59:24] <SoraFirestorm> DeanIsaKitty: it's the library that provides Lua to OC

L2275[17:00:14] <Skye> #p

L2276[17:00:15] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0.749641966 Seconds passed.

L2277[17:01:12] <SoraFirestorm> ought to just test with std Lua first...

L2278[17:03:11] <SoraFirestorm> I'll just do that

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L2285[17:26:23] <S3> Skye:

L2286[17:26:29] <S3> ever met anyone with the nickname grownd?

L2287[17:26:40] <Skye> Don't think so, why?

L2288[17:26:45] <S3> Think about it.

L2289[17:28:03] <S3> gamax92: so uh

L2290[17:28:09] <gamax92> no uh

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L2294[17:28:31] <MajGenRelativity> THE ENSHENYA SHALL RISE!

L2295[17:28:39] <MajGenRelativity> IT BEGINS!

L2296[17:28:49] <S3> you realize

L2297[17:28:54] <S3> that the last part of that word says enya

L2298[17:28:59] <S3> so I read it as the enya will rise

L2299[17:29:15] <MajGenRelativity> ?

L2300[17:29:26] <S3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuRWL82Ki0

L2301[17:29:28] <MichiBot> S3: Enya - Only Time MUSIC VIDEO | length: 5m 54s | Likes: 8478 Dislikes: 174 Views: 1071465 | by Sergei Aks

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L2303[17:30:30] <MajGenRelativity> S3, The Enshenya is bae

L2304[17:30:37] <MajGenRelativity> It is a flying fortress of godness

L2305[17:31:01] <gamax92> s/fortress of godn/godd/

L2306[17:31:04] <MichiBot> <MajGenRelativity> It is a flying goddess

L2307[17:31:13] <MajGenRelativity> gamax92, no

L2308[17:31:19] <gamax92> yes

L2309[17:31:46] <MajGenRelativity> I will command the main gunnery bay to nuke your house

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L2311[17:32:52] <MajGenRelativity> gamax92, it is either that, or deploy special forces onto your face

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L2313[17:33:33] <gamax92> umm excuse me?

L2314[17:33:40] <vifino> gamax92!

L2315[17:33:49] <gamax92> no no vifino not now

L2316[17:33:53] <gamax92> MajGenRelativity: excuse me?

L2317[17:33:58] <vifino> :(

L2318[17:34:30] <gamax92> tuna :D?

L2319[17:34:58] * gamax92 pokes vifino

L2320[17:36:20] <MajGenRelativity> yes

L2321[17:36:21] <MajGenRelativity> pick

L2322[17:36:25] * MajGenRelativity is away

L2323[17:50:18] <MajGenRelativity> gamax92

L2324[17:50:27] <MajGenRelativity> do you want your house nuked or special forces deployed onto your face?

L2325[17:50:30] * MajGenRelativity is away again

L2326[17:50:31] <gamax92> if

L2327[17:50:37] <gamax92> if I don't choose, I get neither

L2328[17:50:44] <MajGenRelativity> You have to choose

L2329[17:50:59] <gamax92> S3: what did you want to tell me btw?

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L2331[17:55:17] <MajGenRelativity> gamax92, the only way to avoid picking is to prevent the Enshenya from being completed

L2332[17:55:59] <Mimiru> Or... OR.. I could just mute the channel, and set -z ^_^

L2333[17:56:16] <SoraFirestorm> Meaning of '-z' for the noob?

L2334[17:56:27] <Temia> Gamax picks soft moo hugs.

L2335[17:56:29] * Temia hugs Gamax.

L2336[17:56:32] <Temia> <3

L2337[17:56:43] * gamax92 hugs Temia n.n

L2338[17:56:49] <Mimiru> No, +z means that even if banned, or quieted ops can still see messages from users

L2339[17:57:05] <SoraFirestorm> ah

L2340[17:57:18] <SoraFirestorm> gamax92: you don't sound too happy about that hug :P

L2341[17:57:33] <gamax92> "n.n"

L2342[17:57:44] <SoraFirestorm> bleh, I read that wrong

L2343[17:58:03] <SoraFirestorm> I'm obviously a moron'

L2344[17:59:02] <CompanionCube> MajGenRelativity, how would you prevent the thing from being completed

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L2346[18:00:00] <SoraFirestorm> Anyone familiar with Lua's C API?

L2347[18:01:10] <SoraFirestorm> Need some help figuring out how to poke a lua thread (coroutine) on the stack

L2348[18:03:08] <MajGenRelativity> CompanionCube, you would stop it by explosions

L2349[18:03:28] * CompanionCube detonates many many bombs to stop it

L2350[18:03:31] <CompanionCube> Done.

L2351[18:03:39] <MajGenRelativity> explosions on my server

L2352[18:04:07] <CompanionCube> oh

L2353[18:04:09] <CompanionCube> fuck

L2354[18:04:40] <MajGenRelativity> One does not simply stop me that easily :P

L2355[18:05:13] * CompanionCube sets off a logic bomb in any present computers

L2356[18:06:10] * MajGenRelativity computer continues to function

L2357[18:06:28] <MajGenRelativity> also, that doesn't stop me from using another computer to build the Enshenya

L2358[18:06:34] <SoraFirestorm> Found the function I wanted

L2359[18:07:16] <Inari> is there some website where you put your PC specs and it automatically suggests upgrades? :P

L2360[18:07:25] <MajGenRelativity> Idk

L2361[18:07:42] <SuPeRMiNoR2> pcpartpicker can help check compatibility of upgrades

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L2365[18:23:17] <SoraFirestorm> I think my coroutine memory patch is mostly working now

L2366[18:23:18] <SoraFirestorm> yay

L2367[18:23:46] <gamax92> SoraFirestorm: oooh?

L2368[18:24:22] <SoraFirestorm> I have patched the Lua thread structure to have a memory alloc count

L2369[18:24:31] <SoraFirestorm> Which is updated when the Lua allocator does anything

L2370[18:24:43] <SoraFirestorm> So, essentially, memory is charged per-coroutine

L2371[18:24:48] <gamax92> want

L2372[18:24:54] <SoraFirestorm> damn straight 'want'

L2373[18:24:58] <SoraFirestorm> That's why I'm doing it :P

L2374[18:25:34] <SoraFirestorm> It helps that, internally, there is a single function that does memory allocs/reallocs/frees

L2375[18:26:03] <SoraFirestorm> so, hopefully, Sangar will take my patch :P

L2376[18:26:10] <SoraFirestorm> oh, which reminds me

L2377[18:26:10] * vifino noms the tuna

L2378[18:26:58] <SoraFirestorm> Hey Sangar, the changes I'm making are technically to Eris, but are specifically for OC. Should the commits go to Eris or OC-Native?

L2379[18:28:34] <gamax92> sangar is away

L2380[18:28:41] <SoraFirestorm> Seems so

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L2383[18:29:18] <SoraFirestorm> I have to see what OC does with memory requests from the Java Lua

L2384[18:29:21] <gamax92> No I mean, he's literally marked as away

L2385[18:29:30] <SoraFirestorm> Does anyone know off-hand what OC does?

L2386[18:31:00] <SoraFirestorm> I almost want to say 'ensure you are using persistent Lua before making memory queries'

L2387[18:31:05] <SoraFirestorm> Does that sound reasonable?

L2388[18:32:13] <gamax92> oh, because luaj ... hmm

L2389[18:32:17] <SoraFirestorm> right

L2390[18:32:32] <SoraFirestorm> I'm going to start up MC with the luaj

L2391[18:32:41] <SoraFirestorm> see what it does when you ask for memory info

L2392[18:32:44] <SoraFirestorm> Go from there

L2393[18:32:59] <gamax92> luaj has no memory limit

L2394[18:34:27] <SoraFirestorm> right

L2395[18:34:31] <SoraFirestorm> but what does it *do*

L2396[18:34:35] <SoraFirestorm> does the function not exist?

L2397[18:34:38] <SoraFirestorm> return -1?

L2398[18:34:47] <SoraFirestorm> return "infinite" ?

L2399[18:35:44] <MajGenRelativity> return "your face"

L2400[18:35:49] <SoraFirestorm> ofcourse

L2401[18:36:09] <vifino> return math.huge

L2402[18:36:23] <DeanIsaKitty> (apply brick MGR-face)

L2403[18:36:43] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty!

L2404[18:36:47] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino!

L2405[18:36:50] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty!!

L2406[18:36:52] <SuPeRMiNoR2> return "╭∩╮(Ο_Ο)╭∩╮"

L2407[18:36:55] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino!

L2408[18:36:59] * vifino hugs DeanIsaKitty

L2409[18:37:03] * DeanIsaKitty hugs vifino

L2410[18:37:12] <vifino> Now, time to sleep.

L2411[18:37:14] <vifino> \o

L2412[18:37:17] * MajGenRelativity punches DeanIsaKitty

L2413[18:37:23] * vifino stabs MajGenRelativity

L2414[18:37:27] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino: Night :*

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L2417[18:39:05] <SF-MC> uh

L2418[18:39:06] <SF-MC> well

L2419[18:39:16] <SF-MC> LuaJ is /somehow/ keeping track

L2420[18:39:47] <MajGenRelativity> SF-MC, are you SoraFirestorm?

L2421[18:39:50] <SF-MC> yessir

L2422[18:40:13] <MajGenRelativity> you looking for a server? :P

L2423[18:40:26] <SF-MC> not particularly

L2424[18:40:30] <MajGenRelativity> k

L2425[18:40:34] <SF-MC> thanks though

L2426[18:40:40] <MajGenRelativity> LuaJ is keeping track of the universe

L2427[18:40:42] <MajGenRelativity> all the time

L2428[18:41:02] <SF-MC> I'm having it build a huge table

L2429[18:41:58] <MajGenRelativity> SF-MC it is storing your table in /dev/null

L2430[18:42:50] <SF-MC> had it crash from not yielding

L2431[18:42:54] <SF-MC> wheeee

L2432[18:44:36] <gamax92> alright so, need to figure out wtf this file is.

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L2434[18:44:43] <SF-MC> seems like the memory used to memory total is a fix ratio with LuaJ

L2435[18:44:56] <SF-MC> not done testing though

L2436[18:49:57] <gamax92> huh, I have no idea why the file is here then.

L2437[18:51:08] <gamax92> it's a GRLDR file, oddly named GRFWK

L2438[18:51:23] <SF-MC> What does file(1) say?

L2439[18:51:37] <gamax92> "data"

L2440[18:51:40] <gamax92> sooo :P

L2441[18:51:41] <SF-MC> :/

L2442[18:51:58] <SF-MC> that was not helpful :P

L2443[18:52:40] <MajGenRelativity> it contains all the data

L2444[18:52:41] <SF-MC> yeah

L2446[18:52:59] <MajGenRelativity> gamax92, I'm assuming this isn't an OC file?

L2447[18:53:03] <gamax92> no

L2448[18:53:05] <SF-MC> luaj reports that free memory == used memory / 2

L2449[18:53:13] <SF-MC> s/used/total/

L2450[18:53:13] <MichiBot> <SF-MC> luaj reports that free memory == total memory / 2

L2451[18:54:01] <gamax92> trying to figure out what grub4dos version this is so I can compare it and see if it's changed

L2452[18:55:43] <DeanIsaKitty> Nooooooooo~~

L2453[18:55:59] <MajGenRelativity> DeanIsaKitty Yessssssssssss

L2454[18:56:01] <DeanIsaKitty> My jar of nutella is empty... *sniff*

L2455[18:56:17] <SF-MC> so, there's technically a way to tell LuaJ vs Eris

L2456[18:56:36] <SF-MC> But it's not great

L2457[18:56:57] <gamax92> well no shit there is :P

L2458[18:57:15] <SF-MC> What ways are programmatic?

L2459[18:58:07] <gamax92> trying to remembmer ...

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L2462[18:59:54] <MrWonderful2015> hi

L2463[19:00:08] <SoraFirestorm> anyways

L2464[19:00:19] <MrWonderful2015> can pings be spoofed with the computronics spoofing card

L2465[19:00:24] <SoraFirestorm> I'm still torn on how to solve the problem

L2466[19:00:44] <SoraFirestorm> It's eaiser to say 'make sure you have it before you use it', but I'm not sure if that's best

L2467[19:00:52] <DeanIsaKitty> SoraFirestorm: Rub some bacon on it!

L2468[19:04:28] <SoraFirestorm> uh

L2469[19:04:31] <SoraFirestorm> no

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L2471[19:06:22] <MrWonderful2015> you cant?

L2472[19:06:24] <MrWonderful2015> shame

L2473[19:06:36] <SoraFirestorm> MrWonderful2015: wasn't responding to you

L2474[19:06:38] <SoraFirestorm> No idea

L2475[19:06:41] <SoraFirestorm> go try it :P

L2476[19:09:15] <MrWonderful2015> ok

L2477[19:09:29] <MrWonderful2015> I would have to write my own ping util

L2478[19:09:33] <MrWonderful2015> but that is fine

L2479[19:09:45] <MrWonderful2015> I probably only have to change about 30 lines

L2480[19:10:20] <MrWonderful2015> tops

L2481[19:10:30] <LactateFactate> gamax92: The way numbers are parsed I think

L2482[19:10:40] <LactateFactate> Thats a thing that you can tell between LuaJ and native

L2483[19:10:59] <MrWonderful2015> and time to figure out why it says in the comments that : makes ping derp hard

L2484[19:11:06] <MrWonderful2015> I already have an idea

L2485[19:11:12] <MrWonderful2015> but I want to test it

L2486[19:11:27] <LactateFactate> #lua 0X1.921FB54442D18P+1

L2487[19:11:27] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 3.1415926535898

L2488[19:11:42] <MrWonderful2015> hopefully I found a ping of death issue

L2489[19:11:56] <MrWonderful2015> If that is the case I'll report it

L2490[19:12:28] <LactateFactate> gamax92: can you try and push 0X1.921FB54442D18P+1 through tonumber in java?

L2491[19:13:12] <SoraFirestorm> I suppose that if my patch is taken as-is, the check would be if coroutine.usedMemory() is available or not :P

L2492[19:14:04] <SoraFirestorm> I'd honestly prefer if LuaJ memory options were something truly rediculous

L2493[19:14:15] <SoraFirestorm> s/options/operations/

L2494[19:14:17] <MichiBot> <SoraFirestorm> I'd honestly prefer if LuaJ memory operations were something truly rediculous

L2495[19:14:22] <SoraFirestorm> something like returning -1 for both

L2496[19:14:31] <SoraFirestorm> or equally obvious

L2497[19:15:53] <MrWonderful2015> any good addons for opencomputers besides computronics

L2498[19:16:13] <SoraFirestorm> OpenSecurity

L2499[19:17:20] <Mimiru> OpenSec, OpenPrinters, OpenLights, OpenFM... :P

L2500[19:17:27] <Mimiru> I may be biased on all of them though

L2501[19:17:39] <MrWonderful2015> can opensecurity mag cards be copied

L2502[19:17:54] <MrWonderful2015> as in scan one and copy it

L2503[19:18:11] <Mimiru> TO an extent... each card gets a UUID assigned that never changes

L2504[19:18:23] <Mimiru> so you can copy the data from card to card, but not the id

L2505[19:19:03] <MrWonderful2015> Would a card with identicle data scan as valid

L2506[19:19:17] <Mimiru> Assuming you don't check the UUID in the scan then yes

L2507[19:19:59] <MrWonderful2015> can the data be determined in a scan or just whether it is correct or not

L2508[19:19:59] <S3> https://drscdn.500px.org/photo/82180423/m%3D2048/d656de1e21c6359b99a351267b9077f2

L2509[19:20:14] <Mimiru> You get data in the scan event

L2510[19:20:19] <MrWonderful2015> Good

L2511[19:20:34] <Mimiru> https://github.com/PC-Logix/OpenSecurity/wiki

L2512[19:20:39] <MrWonderful2015> ok

L2513[19:20:49] <MrWonderful2015> then there is a physical security issue

L2514[19:20:59] <MrWonderful2015> tablet with rfid scanner card

L2515[19:21:14] <MrWonderful2015> scan their rfid, create a copy of the scanned one

L2516[19:21:20] <Mimiru> UUIDs there too

L2517[19:21:25] <Mimiru> use them. :P

L2518[19:22:16] <MrWonderful2015> ok

L2519[19:22:29] <MrWonderful2015> how could that be subverted

L2520[19:23:16] <MrWonderful2015> if rfids are created and disassembled on a massive scale, is it possible to get one with the same uuid

L2521[19:23:44] <Inari> thats pretty much an issue wiht everything UUID

L2522[19:23:52] <Mimiru> Errr, are UUID collisions possible? yes..

L2523[19:23:52] <Inari> and UUIds are specifically engineered to be unlikely to collide, no? xD

L2524[19:23:54] <Mimiru> but good luck

L2525[19:25:36] <Mimiru> Ugh, I'm not going to finish the laser stuff tonight I don't think

L2526[19:26:12] <MrWonderful2015> ok

L2527[19:26:58] <Inari> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1155008/how-unique-is-uuid

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L2529[19:28:02] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, it's *possible* to get a UUID collision

L2530[19:28:06] <MrWonderful2015> so assuming that the uuid is generating in a perfectly random way no

L2531[19:28:11] <SoraFirestorm> in practice though, it's never going to happen

L2532[19:28:22] <dfo> is it possible to have a robot "press" a key while using a tool? for example can i have a robot "alt right click" a tool?

L2533[19:28:29] <MrWonderful2015> unless there is a flaw in the implementation

L2534[19:28:40] <MrWonderful2015> java time

L2535[19:28:44] <SoraFirestorm> dfo: why alt click?

L2536[19:28:50] <SoraFirestorm> It can do shift click afaik

L2537[19:29:19] <dfo> yeah i need it to alt click

L2538[19:29:57] <dfo> alt right click*

L2539[19:30:07] <SoraFirestorm> but why/

L2540[19:30:11] <SoraFirestorm> what tool?

L2541[19:30:46] <dfo> because i need it to alt right click, not shift click

L2542[19:31:19] <SoraFirestorm> *why* do you need alt click?

L2543[19:31:39] <dfo> *why* does that matter

L2544[19:31:45] <Inari> sigh

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L2546[19:32:10] <dfo> it doesnt appear to be possible to do it anyway, no way to pass a key press in the robot api it looks like

L2547[19:32:19] <MrWonderful2015> it looks like the seed can be predicted

L2548[19:32:45] <MrWonderful2015> is both practice and theory

L2549[19:33:11] <MrWonderful2015> it would take hours though

L2550[19:33:24] <SoraFirestorm> dfo: it matters because there may be an alternate way to do what you want

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L2552[19:33:34] <MrWonderful2015> and a pretty powerful cpu or some gpu accelerating processing

L2553[19:33:35] <SoraFirestorm> But I have no idea unless I know what tool and what the end goal is

L2554[19:34:14] <MrWonderful2015> player detection cane easily be subverted with robots

L2555[19:34:16] <MrWonderful2015> can

L2556[19:34:39] <MrWonderful2015> but that uuid

L2557[19:35:24] <Mimiru> The card writer can also flash EEPROMs

L2558[19:35:47] <MrWonderful2015> thats cool

L2559[19:35:56] <MrWonderful2015> not terribly useful but cool

L2560[19:36:47] <MrWonderful2015> hmm how would a rfid with an arbitrary uuid be created

L2561[19:36:59] <Mimiru> It wouldn't

L2562[19:37:01] <MrWonderful2015> collisions doesnt seem like an option

L2563[19:37:09] <Mimiru> You'd have to NBTEdit it

L2564[19:37:18] <SoraFirestorm> ^

L2565[19:37:25] <MrWonderful2015> If the server is off for the night, it can be possible to predict them

L2566[19:38:20] <Mimiru> Yes, and given enough time, I could guess the powerball numbers.... but will I?

L2567[19:38:28] <Mimiru> Probably not.

L2568[19:38:47] <MrWonderful2015> it is possible

L2569[19:38:57] <Mimiru> And there is A LOT less entropy in the powerball numbers than UUIDs.

L2570[19:41:18] <MrWonderful2015> the way it is implemented in java has a vulnerbility that makes java random numbers predictable

L2571[19:41:25] <MrWonderful2015> if you have a lot of data

L2572[19:41:31] <SoraFirestorm> sure

L2573[19:41:33] <MrWonderful2015> due to seed collisions

L2574[19:41:36] <SoraFirestorm> exploit it in OC

L2575[19:42:34] <MrWonderful2015> the tough part is getting tens to hundreds of thousands of seeds to be generated

L2576[19:43:18] <MrWonderful2015> so maybe but probably not

L2577[19:43:36] <MrWonderful2015> they has to be a more simple way

L2578[19:43:46] <SoraFirestorm> You're not going to practically pull it off

L2579[19:44:39] <gamax92> hehehe

L2580[19:45:11] <gamax92> added a VHD to the bootloader and successfully booted off it

L2581[19:45:23] <MrWonderful2015> well then, getting the computer running the rfid reader to crash might do the trick

L2582[19:45:36] <gamax92> need to add some fonts though

L2583[19:45:56] <SoraFirestorm> you make me want to play on some sort of RP server where you do 'cyber warfare'

L2584[19:46:50] <MrWonderful2015> it looks like the rfid reader has no issues by itself

L2585[19:47:17] <MrWonderful2015> however, there might be some issues in the implementation

L2586[19:47:32] <SoraFirestorm> You're not going to reasonable crack the cards

L2587[19:47:37] <gamax92> there we go, fonts fixed

L2588[19:47:58] <MrWonderful2015> and look at that

L2589[19:48:01] <MrWonderful2015> http://franklinta.com/2014/08/31/predicting-the-next-math-random-in-java/

L2590[19:48:05] <MrWonderful2015> and no I am not

L2591[19:48:30] <MrWonderful2015> I am going to try to send the reader data that will crash the computer running the reader

L2592[19:49:00] <MrWonderful2015> hopefully

L2593[19:49:11] <SoraFirestorm> that will only do something if you program your reader software like a damn moron

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L2595[19:50:21] <SoraFirestorm> You'd have to exploit a buffer overflow at best

L2596[19:50:28] <SoraFirestorm> but that is fixed with enough memory

L2597[19:50:44] <SoraFirestorm> even then, that only works to just crash the PC

L2598[19:50:45] <MrWonderful2015> #lua print("'a")

L2599[19:50:45] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 'a | nil

L2600[19:50:49] <MrWonderful2015> ah

L2601[19:51:29] <SoraFirestorm> It hopefully won't open the door or whatever its supposed to do

L2602[19:52:18] <MrWonderful2015> well then, my target cant use it either

L2603[19:52:26] <MrWonderful2015> so they are locked out of their base

L2604[19:52:43] <SoraFirestorm> they can probably get in through other means

L2605[19:52:49] <SoraFirestorm> They're called fail-safe systems

L2606[19:53:22] <MrWonderful2015> well then why couldnt I use those same means

L2607[19:53:36] <SoraFirestorm> Nothing is stopping you

L2608[19:53:50] <SoraFirestorm> Lack of resources to build backup systems is the only thing stopping you

L2609[19:54:51] <MrWonderful2015> actually, if they are using the opensecurity door

L2610[19:54:57] <MrWonderful2015> if it crashes while open

L2611[19:54:59] <MrWonderful2015> it stays open

L2612[19:55:06] <SoraFirestorm> you break and replace the door

L2613[19:55:07] <SoraFirestorm> easy

L2614[19:55:52] <MrWonderful2015> well then

L2615[19:56:17] <SoraFirestorm> Like I said eariler

L2616[19:56:22] <MrWonderful2015> it lives up to its name

L2617[19:56:32] <SoraFirestorm> It's probably better in most cases to do physical breakins

L2618[19:56:56] <Mimiru> I've been told it's annoyingly too secure..

L2619[19:57:06] <MrWonderful2015> yeah

L2620[19:57:15] <MrWonderful2015> the uuid part is a bit silly

L2621[19:57:43] <MrWonderful2015> in real life scanning a rfid card and then duplicating it is done to bypass rfid security

L2622[19:57:58] <SoraFirestorm> It's consistent with the rest of OpenComputers though

L2623[19:58:04] <SoraFirestorm> Damn near everything has a UUID

L2624[19:58:30] <MrWonderful2015> yeah, which is why I use the spoofing card

L2625[19:58:32] <Mimiru> someone requested the UUIDs.. I just don't remember who

L2626[19:58:35] <MrWonderful2015> lets you spoof the uuid

L2627[19:59:15] <MrWonderful2015> if uuids could be spoofed like MAC addresses can in real life it wouldn't feel like it is way to secure

L2628[20:00:22] <MrWonderful2015> plus why on earth would a rfid card have a MAC address

L2629[20:00:35] <Mimiru> It's more like a serial number...

L2630[20:00:51] <MrWonderful2015> why cant it be modified

L2631[20:01:18] <SoraFirestorm> It's more secure ;)

L2632[20:01:18] <gamax92> why would it

L2633[20:01:55] <MrWonderful2015> it should be security be design not security be arbitrary mechanic that makes no sense

L2634[20:02:33] <gamax92> calm down

L2635[20:02:59] <SoraFirestorm> It is secure by design

L2636[20:03:09] <SoraFirestorm> It's the mod's design, not yours is all

L2637[20:03:14] <MrWonderful2015> A very strange sort of design

L2638[20:03:21] <MrWonderful2015> I just dont like the design

L2639[20:05:04] <Mimiru> I could add a config option to make the UUIDs always return -1 or something.

L2640[20:05:30] <SoraFirestorm> Sounds reasonable I guess

L2641[20:06:21] <SoraFirestorm> That kinda breaks existing programs

L2642[20:06:22] <SoraFirestorm> but

L2643[20:06:26] <SoraFirestorm> doesn't matter

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L2645[20:07:31] <Mimiru> And, he wasn't even here for the idea..

L2646[20:07:32] <Mimiru> lol

L2647[20:07:39] <SoraFirestorm> :P

L2648[20:08:26] <SoraFirestorm> I mean he's not totally coming out of left field with that but

L2649[20:08:37] <SoraFirestorm> That makes the RFID cards inconsistent with the rest of OC

L2650[20:13:40] <SoraFirestorm> There's nothing stopping you from ignoring the UUID

L2651[20:15:24] <SoraFirestorm> And depending on the system that might be a reasonable design

L2652[20:27:21] <Antheus> Mimiru: I will have you know I have got awesome working on arch

L2653[20:27:24] <Antheus> and it is awesome

L2654[20:27:33] <Antheus> also have 6 potatoes in the oven to be baked

L2655[20:27:33] <SoraFirestorm> awesome is awesome

L2656[20:27:35] <Mimiru> Good for you.

L2657[20:27:38] <Antheus> will be done in ~45 min

L2658[20:29:31] <Mimiru> K, config option added

L2659[20:29:43] <Mimiru> it defaults to the current behavior though

L2660[20:29:57] <SoraFirestorm> yup

L2661[20:30:13] <Mimiru> I don't have time to test it though

L2662[20:30:57] <SoraFirestorm> I'm not going to turn it off honestly

L2663[20:31:16] <Mimiru> "RFID and Mag cards will return '-1' for UUIDs, Allows for less secure security."

L2664[20:32:57] <SoraFirestorm> haha +1 for "less secure security"

L2665[20:34:03] <Mimiru> Also planning to add a config option for the Ops/Creative/Owner only being able to break the doors/door controller

L2666[20:34:19] <Mimiru> Because hey, if you wanna let people break your shit, K.

L2667[20:34:22] <Mimiru> :D

L2668[20:34:34] <SoraFirestorm> That's not already a thing?

L2669[20:36:06] <Mimiru> No, it's not a config option... Currently only Creative, Op, or owner can break door things

L2670[20:36:21] <Antheus> Mimiru: add a flamingo

L2671[20:36:27] <Antheus> those are all the rage right now

L2672[20:36:28] <Mimiru> …

L2673[20:36:40] <SoraFirestorm> Not that it was config, but that creative / op can do shtuff

L2674[20:36:41] <Antheus> :P

L2675[20:37:03] <Mimiru> Yes, it's currently like that.

L2676[20:37:39] <SoraFirestorm> ah

L2677[20:37:40] <SoraFirestorm> ok

L2678[20:37:52] <SoraFirestorm> ooooh

L2679[20:37:59] <SoraFirestorm> you mean if someone *isn't* one of those things

L2680[20:38:30] <Mimiru> Yes

L2681[20:39:38] <Antheus> No

L2682[20:39:49] <SoraFirestorm> that's where my confusion lied

L2683[20:40:04] <SoraFirestorm> Mimiru: at that point though, why the hell use the damn door in the first place?

L2684[20:40:46] <Mimiru> IDK... Ask the people who've asked for it in the past.

L2685[20:41:03] <Antheus> Mimiru: add a whitelist thing per player

L2686[20:41:26] <Antheus> like, player1 types a command in chat that allows player2 to break his blocks

L2687[20:42:43] <SoraFirestorm> why?

L2688[20:42:45] <SoraFirestorm> I mean

L2689[20:42:48] <Antheus> yes

L2690[20:43:48] <SoraFirestorm> the only thing I can think you'd want to share would be the door access

L2691[20:45:44] <SoraFirestorm> and you can do RFID cards for that

L2692[20:46:18] <Mimiru> We use mag cards for Chernobyl on my server

L2693[20:47:04] <SoraFirestorm> heh

L2694[20:48:09] <Mimiru> Super wrote a pretty extensive program for managing cards/doors

L2695[20:48:45] <SoraFirestorm> I've been intending to write a program for that

L2696[20:49:40] <Mimiru> Super's is pretty nice

L2697[20:51:00] <SoraFirestorm> I'll take your word for it

L2698[20:51:15] <SoraFirestorm> imo, I tend to find it is more fu to engineer your own solutions in Minecraft :)

L2699[20:52:56] <Mimiru> I'm also lazy, and was usually busy making sure the reactors/turbines were running decently

L2700[20:53:09] <SoraFirestorm> yeah

L2701[20:53:10] <Mimiru> And trying to figure out why my damn ZettaIndustries OC cables kept going poof

L2702[20:53:48] <Mimiru> I should login and check on everything... it's been running unattended for like a month now

L2703[20:53:53] <Antheus> I'm trying to figure out how to bind my volume keys to incerase and decrease volume

L2704[20:53:53] <Mimiru> good thing they don't explode

L2705[20:54:06] <Antheus> and I don;t know what the key is called

L2706[20:57:39] <SoraFirestorm> yeah

L2707[20:57:43] <SoraFirestorm> Kinda wish they were able to

L2708[20:58:34] <SoraFirestorm> Sometimes I'd like some more difficulty

L2709[20:58:51] <SoraFirestorm> Nothing like GregTech or IE:E though

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L2713[21:16:21] <AntheusAway> :P

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L2718[21:26:23] <Antheus> SoraFirestorm, GregTech is still around?

L2719[21:26:34] <SoraFirestorm> I have no idea

L2720[21:26:42] <SoraFirestorm> I was never a fan

L2721[21:28:48] <SoraFirestorm> There might be GregTech-likes ala BluePower or Project Red

L2722[21:32:57] <Antheus> you know

L2723[21:33:10] <Antheus> I forgot why I went through the struggle of installing arch

L2724[21:33:13] <Antheus> but it was fun

L2725[21:33:14] <Antheus> :P

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L2727[21:33:20] <SoraFirestorm> :P

L2728[21:33:27] <MrWonderful2015> what was the list of addons you recomend again

L2729[21:33:40] <Antheus> %weather 76020

L2730[21:33:41] <MichiBot> Antheus: Current weather for 76020 Current Temp: 38°F/4°C Feels Like: 36°F/2°C Current Humidity: 60 Wind: From the ENE 4 Mph/6 Km/h Conditions: Clear

L2731[21:33:53] <MrWonderful2015> or just a list of all addons of oc

L2732[21:33:57] <MrWonderful2015> %help

L2733[21:34:03] <MrWonderful2015> %commands

L2734[21:34:28] <MrWonderful2015> %no

L2735[21:34:31] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: yes

L2736[21:34:35] <SoraFirestorm> haha

L2737[21:34:39] <MrWonderful2015> %drama

L2738[21:34:41] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: copygirl and nallar get into a drama fight on Twitch

L2739[21:34:48] <MrWonderful2015> %drama

L2740[21:34:50] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: Logistics Pipes fans claim that LittleMaidMob should have better better SMP support

L2741[21:34:57] <Antheus> MrWonderful2015> any good addons for opencomputers besides computronics

L2742[21:34:57] <Antheus> <SoraFirestorm> OpenSecurity

L2743[21:34:57] <Antheus> <Mimiru> OpenSec, OpenPrinters, OpenLights, OpenFM... :P

L2744[21:35:09] <MrWonderful2015> ok

L2745[21:35:44] <MrWonderful2015> how do I pm MichiBot

L2746[21:35:51] <MrWonderful2015> I cant find michibo in the users list

L2747[21:35:57] <MrWonderful2015> oh there

L2748[21:36:00] <MrWonderful2015> sorry

L2749[21:36:08] <Mimiru> MichiBot, doesn't reply to PMs for anything other than %wa

L2750[21:36:35] <Mimiru> If that... it's annoying to support PM and channels in pircbotx

L2751[21:36:50] <MrWonderful2015> Ok

L2752[21:37:14] <MrWonderful2015> %ping MrWonderful2015

L2753[21:37:18] <MichiBot> Ping reply from MrWonderful2015 1.63s

L2754[21:37:27] <Mimiru> you can omit the nick if you want the bot to ping you

L2755[21:37:30] <Mimiru> %p

L2756[21:37:32] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Mimiru 0.49s

L2757[21:37:35] <SoraFirestorm> %p

L2758[21:37:37] <MichiBot> Ping reply from SoraFirestorm 0.61s

L2759[21:37:45] <SoraFirestorm> MichiBot is awesome

L2760[21:37:51] <Mimiru> Thanks :P

L2761[21:37:55] <SoraFirestorm> Thanks for being awesome, MichiBot :D

L2762[21:37:55] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: You're welcome!

L2763[21:37:57] <MrWonderful2015> %ping nonrealuser

L2764[21:38:05] <SoraFirestorm> <3

L2765[21:38:09] <MrWonderful2015> %p

L2766[21:38:11] <MichiBot> Ping reply from MrWonderful2015 1.36s

L2767[21:38:41] <MrWonderful2015> %meh

L2768[21:38:44] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: hai Kodos

L2769[21:38:51] <MrWonderful2015> %yes

L2770[21:38:54] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: no

L2771[21:39:01] <MrWonderful2015> it is quite contrary

L2772[21:39:09] <SoraFirestorm> bots are like that :P

L2773[21:39:17] <MrWonderful2015> %tell hi

L2774[21:39:18] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: What did you want to say to hi?

L2775[21:39:23] <MrWonderful2015> hi

L2776[21:39:37] <MrWonderful2015> %tell MrWonderful2015 hi

L2777[21:39:39] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: MrWonderful2015 will be notified of this message when next seen.

L2778[21:39:51] <MrWonderful2015> cool

L2779[21:39:56] <SoraFirestorm> Does that work?

L2780[21:40:00] <MrWonderful2015> yes

L2781[21:40:16] <SoraFirestorm> %tell SoraFirestorm friendly hello hi

L2782[21:40:18] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: SoraFirestorm will be notified of this message when next seen.

L2783[21:40:29] <MrWonderful2015> %addcommands

L2784[21:40:38] <MrWonderful2015> %addcommand

L2785[21:40:58] <MrWonderful2015> %addcommand test

L2786[21:41:06] <MrWonderful2015> %test

L2787[21:41:22] <MrWonderful2015> %addcommand test /whois MrWonderful2015

L2788[21:41:27] <MrWonderful2015> %test

L2789[21:41:32] <MrWonderful2015> %addcommand %test /whois MrWonderful2015

L2790[21:41:35] <MrWonderful2015> %test

L2791[21:41:38] <Mimiru> Yeah, that wouldn't work anyway..

L2792[21:41:38] <MrWonderful2015> nope

L2793[21:41:39] <Mimiru> :P

L2794[21:41:51] <Mimiru> Also

L2795[21:41:54] <SoraFirestorm> I think MichiBot will only let certain people do that

L2796[21:41:58] <MrWonderful2015> ah

L2797[21:42:04] <Mimiru> And yes, that

L2798[21:42:09] <MrWonderful2015> %flip

L2799[21:42:09] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵

L2800[21:42:20] <MrWonderful2015> %commands

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L2802[21:42:27] <SoraFirestorm> MichiBot: there's no table there D:

L2803[21:42:37] <Mimiru> Because %flip takes... args

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L2805[21:42:41] <Mimiru> %flip shit

L2806[21:42:41] <MichiBot> Mimiru: (╯°□°）╯︵ʇıɥs

L2807[21:42:45] <Mimiru> Or, test

L2808[21:42:46] <Mimiru> %flip ^

L2809[21:42:47] <MichiBot> Mimiru: (╯°□°）╯︵ʇsǝʇ 'ɹO

L2810[21:42:53] <MrWonderful2015> %flip %flip

L2811[21:42:55] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵dılɟ%

L2812[21:43:00] <SoraFirestorm> %flip ^

L2813[21:43:00] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: (╯°□°）╯︵ʇsǝʇ 'ɹO

L2814[21:43:11] <Mimiru> it won't flip it's own output... yet

L2815[21:43:13] <SoraFirestorm> %flip teh table

L2816[21:43:14] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: (╯°□°）╯︵ǝlqɐʇ ɥǝʇ

L2817[21:44:16] <MrWonderful2015> %flip ␀

L2818[21:44:16] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵␀

L2819[21:44:37] <SoraFirestorm> %flip <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵␀

L2820[21:44:38] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: (╯°□°）╯︵␀︵╯）°□°╯) :ϛ⇂0ⵒlnɟɹǝpuoMɹW <ʇoℇıɥɔıW>

L2821[21:44:38] <MrWonderful2015> %flip

L2822[21:44:39] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵

L2823[21:44:46] <SoraFirestorm> I can make it do that though :D

L2824[21:45:08] <Mimiru> https://git.io/vuhWI

L2825[21:45:13] <SoraFirestorm> %flip <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: (╯°□°）╯︵␀︵╯）°□°╯) :ϛ⇂0ⵒlnɟɹǝpuoMɹW <ʇoℇıɥɔıW>

L2826[21:45:13] <SoraFirestorm> <MrWonderful2015> %flip

L2827[21:45:13] <SoraFirestorm> <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵

L2828[21:45:14] <SoraFirestorm> <SoraFirestorm> I can make it do that though :D

L2829[21:45:16] <SoraFirestorm>

L2830[21:45:20] <SoraFirestorm> D:

L2831[21:45:24] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: (╯°□°）╯︵<MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵␀︵╯）°□°╯) :ɯɹoʇsǝɹıℲɐɹoS <ʇoℇıɥɔıW>

L2832[21:45:26] <SoraFirestorm> %flip <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: (╯°□°）╯︵␀︵╯）°□°╯) :ϛ⇂0ⵒlnɟɹǝpuoMɹW <ʇoℇıɥɔıW>

L2833[21:45:27] <SoraFirestorm> <MrWonderful2015> %flip

L2834[21:45:27] <SoraFirestorm> <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵

L2835[21:45:29] <MrWonderful2015> %flip /0

L2836[21:45:31] <SoraFirestorm> <SoraFirestorm> I can make it do that though :D

L2837[21:45:32] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵0/

L2838[21:45:34] <SoraFirestorm>

L2839[21:45:36] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: (╯°□°）╯︵<MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵␀︵╯）°□°╯) :ɯɹoʇsǝɹıℲɐɹoS <ʇoℇıɥɔıW>

L2840[21:45:40] <SoraFirestorm> awww

L2841[21:45:51] <MrWonderful2015> %flip /x00

L2842[21:45:51] <MichiBot> MrWonderful2015: (╯°□°）╯︵00x/

L2843[21:46:15] <SoraFirestorm> %flip \x00

L2844[21:46:16] <MichiBot> SoraFirestorm: (╯°□°）╯︵00x\

L2845[21:46:22] <Mimiru> ._.

L2846[21:46:26] <Mimiru> QUit spammin %flip

L2847[21:46:34] <SoraFirestorm> right, sorry

L2848[21:47:12] <Mimiru> Ugh

L2849[21:47:13] <Mimiru> so tired

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L2851[21:47:21] <SoraFirestorm> Sorry Mimiru :(

L2852[21:47:25] <abc> %flip سمووحخ ̷̴̐ خ ̷̴̐ خ ̷̴̐ خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐ خ

L2853[21:47:25] <MichiBot> abc: (╯°□°）╯︵خ ̴̷̐ خيتراما خ ̴̷̐ خ ̴̷̐ خ ̴̷̐ خحوومس

L2854[21:47:56] <Mimiru> Ahem... I know who that is btw.

L2855[21:48:12] <Mimiru> I also JUST linked the characters it can flip

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L2857[21:48:42] <SoraFirestorm> Mimiru: was that MrWonderful2015 ?

L2858[21:48:49] <Mimiru> Yes

L2859[21:49:05] <Mimiru> [MrWonderful2015] (webchat@97-93-112-245.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) abc (webchat@97-93-112-245.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com)

L2860[21:50:41] <Saphire> Oh yay, mobile inet \o/

L2861[21:51:18] <MrWonderful2015> yay

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L2863[21:52:45] <Antheus> all dat michibot spam

L2864[21:52:45] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

L2865[21:52:52] <LactateFactate> %flip datass

L2866[21:52:52] <MichiBot> LactateFactate: (╯°□°）╯︵ssɐʇɐp

L2867[21:52:54] <Antheus> about as spammy as hawaii

L2868[21:52:57] <LactateFactate> %flip ¯\_( ͡¬ ͜ʖ ͡¬)_/¯

L2869[21:52:57] <MichiBot> LactateFactate: (╯°□°）╯︵¯/‾(¬͡ ʖ͜ ¬͡ )‾\¯

L2870[21:53:01] <LactateFactate> lol

L2871[21:53:09] <SoraFirestorm> Antheus: only because we love MichiBot :P

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L2876[22:15:41] <S3> WELL

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L2878[22:15:50] <S3> This is certainly the most expensive shelf I have EVER seen

L2879[22:15:55] <S3> https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12523019_542188455944688_573889236696321739_n.jpg?oh=ab4f22bc4c74d28e31997d9306bb95af&oe=5712B6AF

L2880[22:16:16] <SoraFirestorm> S3: how much?

L2881[22:16:34] <SuPeRMiNoR2> That is a piano

L2882[22:16:44] <SuPeRMiNoR2> So, a lot?

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L2884[22:17:12] <S3> yeh

L2885[22:17:21] <S3> pianos like that go for like

L2886[22:17:24] <S3> 10 to 20 grand easy

L2887[22:17:41] <S3> that's a baby grand

L2888[22:17:44] <SuPeRMiNoR2> How grand

L2889[22:17:50] <S3> lol

L2890[22:17:51] <S3> actually

L2891[22:17:57] <S3> yes, it's a baby grand.

L2892[22:18:01] <S3> defination

L2893[22:18:07] <S3> definately*

L2894[22:19:22] <lashtear> %flip bird

L2895[22:19:22] <MichiBot> lashtear: (╯°□°）╯︵pɹıq

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L2901[22:37:16] <S3> weird people and their unicode support

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L2913[23:31:51] <Thorinori> Hello!

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L2915[23:33:01] <Thorinori> Does anypne have experience with OC/AE2 Integration?

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L2920[23:38:12] <SoraFirestorm> Sorry, no

L2921[23:38:41] <Thorinori> Dang, k

L2922[23:38:53] <Thorinori> Trying to find a way to add stuff to a database from inside an AE system

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L2963[23:40:47] <^v4> Oh noes! aperture split 3:

L2964[23:40:47] <^v> Oh noes! aperture split 3:

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L2981[23:40:57] <Thorinori> o.o

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L2988[23:45:03] <Thorinori> So no one had any ideas for AE while I was gone right lol had to refresh my page

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L2991[23:46:00] <Izaya> I haven't used it with AE2, no, nor has anyone else online apparently

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L2993[23:46:17] <Izaya> Hang around and see if anyone does though

L2994[23:46:23] <Thorinori> Sounds good, thanks

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