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L5[00:41:35] <Dashkal> Yay. Toy language exists. A half step above the lambda calculus, but it's a thing now.

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L22[02:26:26] <Vexatos> Hey Sangar, is there any way to synchronize data server->client?

L23[02:26:45] <Vexatos> for rack mountables

L24[02:44:49] <AntheusAsleep> I just watched Inside Out

L25[02:44:53] <AntheusAsleep> And I cri

L26[02:44:57] <AntheusAsleep> Much sadness

L27[02:45:08] <AntheusAsleep> Much emotion

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L31[03:27:11] <Sandra> google put a "Warning, this email may be phishing" on their own email...

L32[03:31:51] <dangranos> heh

L33[03:38:40] <Inari> terasology makes me feel sick xD

L34[03:42:45] <Izaya> fun fact: despite having crazy shaders and shit terasology runs on my old atom netbook at 30FPS (screen refresh speed)

L35[03:42:51] <Izaya> Minecraft runs at about 10

L36[03:43:18] <asie> yeah

L37[03:45:07]

<Elizabeth> o/

L38[03:45:20] <Inari> fun fact: with crazy shaders and shit terasology runs crappy to me :P

L39[03:48:31] <Inari> was Sangar's question about "what if you want to worry about packets" ever answered btw

L40[03:48:43] <Inari> (in the terasology talk

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L42[03:52:03] <Vexatos> sooo while I've been in bed I thought about a funny mathematical concept and proved it impossible >_>

L43[04:06:12] <Elizabeth> well now i know why my laptop took so long to hibernate yesterday

L44[04:06:18] <Elizabeth> i left chrome and MC running

L45[04:13:18] <Vexatos> Uuuh Sangar how do you interact with a rack mountable from a server?

L46[04:13:30] <Vexatos> if you, say, have no bus connectable at all

L47[04:13:43] <Elizabeth> Vexatos, you should

L48[04:15:29] <Vexatos> Well, that is my question: Are bus connectables just for allowing packet reading or are they also used for connecting components/nodes to servers

L49[04:15:58] <Elizabeth> by bus connections i assume you mean the thicker lines, they are component access, yes

L50[04:17:45] <Vexatos> wait there is such a thing as thicker lines?

L51[04:18:03] <Vexatos> ah I see

L52[04:18:04] <Vexatos> hmmm

L53[04:18:11] <Vexatos> well that's different then though

L54[04:18:18] <Vexatos> that means I don't need any bus connectables at all

L55[04:18:22] <Vexatos> unless I want them

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L58[04:58:01] <Vexatos> Sooo sangar

L59[04:58:15] <Vexatos> how do I synchronize a mountable to the client

L60[04:58:20] <Vexatos> need to know this for Kubuxu >_>

L61[04:58:35] <Kubuxu> :D

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L66[05:29:47] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, What would the texture look like

L67[05:29:48] <Vexatos> also I guess I'll add a setBlink() and setBlinkSpeed()

L68[05:37:10] <vifino> Vexatos.setBlink(ExtremeMode);

L69[05:37:30] <vifino> Vexatos.setBlinkSpeed(ExtremeMode);*

L70[05:37:35] * vifino shrugs

L71[05:37:51] <vifino> I shall get a coffee.

L72[05:38:01] * vifino grabs Elizabeth and goes to get a coffee

L73[05:42:29] <Kubuxu> similar to any other rack mountables, meaning IDK

L74[05:45:32] <Sangar> o/

L75[05:47:49] <Vexatos> Hi snagar

L76[05:47:55] <Vexatos> have fun reading all my pings

L77[05:48:00] <Vexatos> also https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/1602

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L79[05:48:51] <Sangar> uhh, TooManyPingsException

L80[05:49:04] <Sangar> short version?

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L82[05:55:10] <asie> Sangar: Charset 0.1.0 should hopefully come out today

L83[05:56:07] <Sangar> yay!

L84[05:56:29] <Vexatos> <Vexatos> Sooo sangar

L85[05:56:29] <Vexatos> <Vexatos> how do I synchronize a mountable to the client

L86[05:56:29] <Vexatos> <Vexatos> need to know this for Kubuxu >_>

L87[05:56:37] <Vexatos> that's the short version

L88[05:57:51] <Sangar> Vexatos, send your own packet, getTileEntity cast to rack get mountable

L89[05:57:54] <Sangar> sorry, tis not tis

L90[05:58:16] <Vexatos> but what is getData even used for then

L91[05:58:37] <Sangar> slower data transfer

L92[05:59:22] <Sangar> i mean if that's quick enough for you and you don't send too much you can probably just use that?

L93[06:00:50] <Vexatos> I mean why does it exist

L94[06:00:56] <Vexatos> as a method you need to implement

L95[06:01:02] <Vexatos> if there is no way to use it

L96[06:01:50] <Vexatos> I would just use it to get LED data

L97[06:01:58] <Vexatos> since it gets thrown directly into the event

L98[06:02:01] <Vexatos> but how do I even call this

L99[06:02:04] <Vexatos> or make OC call it

L100[06:02:19] <Sangar> Rack.markChanged

L101[06:02:29] <Vexatos> and how do I get the slot?

L102[06:02:58] <Sangar> ?

L103[06:03:13] <Vexatos> markChanged takes the index of the mountable you want to mark as changed

L104[06:03:18] <Vexatos> how do I know which slot I am in?

L105[06:03:18] <Sangar> yes?

L106[06:03:27] <Vexatos> there is nothing like the Robot's componentSlot()

L107[06:03:29] <Vexatos> for racks

L108[06:04:14] <Sangar> just check which slot your stack is in in createEnv

L109[06:05:13] <Sangar> or getMountable to check if it's this in getData

L110[06:05:17] <Vexatos> ehm

L111[06:05:31] <Vexatos> Sooo

L112[06:05:32] <Vexatos> http://paste.asie.pl/JzC2

L113[06:05:36] <Vexatos> .... are you serious?

L114[06:05:49] <Vexatos> like, everything in the OC API is so neat and convenient

L115[06:05:53] <Vexatos> and then I have to do THIS

L116[06:05:56] <Vexatos> .-.

L117[06:06:18] <Sangar> i suppose i've been spoilt by scala too much :P

L118[06:06:23] <Sangar> > new component.DiskDriveMountable(rack, rack.indexOf(stack))

L119[06:07:06] <Vexatos> well you use tileentity.Rack

L120[06:07:12] <Vexatos> not api.internal.rack

L121[06:07:18] <Vexatos> so you're cheating anyway

L122[06:07:26] <Sangar> would still work

L123[06:07:27] <Vexatos> assuming no addon will ever make custom racks

L124[06:07:32] <Sangar> because it only uses IInventory

L125[06:07:48] <Sangar> well, yeah :P

L126[06:08:11] <Vexatos> so why not have something like a robot's componentSlot()

L127[06:08:17] <Vexatos> mountableSlot() or something

L128[06:08:19] <Vexatos> >_>

L129[06:08:22] <Sangar> yeah

L130[06:08:39] <Sangar> as i said, spoilt by scala so i didn't realize some poor fellas might need it :P

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L134[06:22:33] <Vexatos> Sangar, how many lights should a light board have?

L135[06:22:44] <Vexatos> Kubuxu said "four to six" :P

L136[06:22:56] <Vexatos> but that's not quite precise enough

L137[06:23:12] <Sangar> depends on what you're going for and how complicated you want the implementation to get :P

L138[06:24:56] <Inari> lightboard?

L139[06:25:14] <Kubuxu> Vexatos: I gave the range so it fits nicely visially

L140[06:25:17] <Sangar> if you want to go crazy, us a custom texture and have 3x14 pixels/lights

L141[06:25:27] <Sangar> otherwise use the 1x12 strip

L142[06:25:35] <Vexatos> Sangar, I think it should have about the size of the Server's activity LED

L143[06:25:37] <Sangar> and maybe leave one space between leds

L144[06:25:38] <Vexatos> how many pixels is those

L145[06:25:48] <Sangar> 2 or three?

L146[06:25:53] <Vexatos> I'll check

L147[06:26:08] <Kubuxu> Inari: rack mountable lights, for displaying status for example.

L148[06:26:09] <Vexatos> now how to use NBT Tag lists >_>

L149[06:26:15] <Inari> neat

L150[06:26:26] <Vexatos> what the heck is that second parameter in getTagList .-.

L151[06:26:38] <Sangar> the type of whats in the list

L152[06:27:08] <Sangar> see net.minecraftforge.common.util.Constants.NBT

L153[06:27:54] <Kubuxu> Vexatos: also please make the call direct and low cost. Just discard changes if they happen to frequently. I can help you with concurrency problems if you want.

L154[06:28:11] <Kubuxu> and if they happen any

L155[06:28:13] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, I'd just have stolen stuff from the Colorful robot upgrade

L156[06:28:16] <Vexatos> 0.2 OC per call

L157[06:28:17] <Vexatos> and direct

L158[06:28:24] <Vexatos> updating once a tick if stuff changed

L159[06:28:56] <Sangar> if you use markDirty, that only triggers a getData once per tick anyway

L160[06:29:01] <Vexatos> Oh

L161[06:29:02] <Sangar> also indexOfMountable is up

L162[06:29:14] <Vexatos> so you mean markChanged

L163[06:29:18] <Vexatos> I assume

L164[06:29:21] <Sangar> err yes

L165[06:29:31] <Vexatos> blergh. using getData() I have to send every single LED if any of them changed :/|

L166[06:29:46] <Vexatos> but I don't want to make a custom packet just for this

L167[06:30:02] <Sangar> true. but: the position of the nbt will still use most of the packet data anyway :P

L168[06:30:24] <Sangar> well, unless you go full 24bit rgb per light :X

L169[06:30:55] <Vexatos> I was thinking 24-bit RGB, a boolean and two doubles

L170[06:31:08] <Vexatos> actually floats, I guess

L171[06:31:17] <Vexatos> and that's per-light

L172[06:31:29] <Sangar> what's the floats for o.O

L173[06:31:55] <Vexatos> first one the duration of the "on" blink, second the duration of the "off" part of the blink

L174[06:32:07] <Vexatos> if second float is negative it'll use the first for both

L175[06:32:15] <Vexatos> boolean saying if it blinks at all

L176[06:32:26] <asie> >24-bit

L177[06:32:27] <Kubuxu> Github is not IPv6 :/

L178[06:32:28] <asie> >not 15-bit

L179[06:32:32] <asie> Sangar: ready to implement multipart charset wire support?

L180[06:32:33] <Kubuxu> :((((

L181[06:32:35] <asie> i'm almost done to ship

L182[06:32:39] <asie> but i need to check if anyone can implement that

L183[06:32:44] <asie> regular redstone will work by default

L184[06:32:47] <asie> bundled one is a bit more problematic

L185[06:32:52] <asie> i'm adding a helper function to the Charset API for this right now

L186[06:33:20] <Sangar> the multipart can't just implement the regular bundled api?

L187[06:33:50] <asie> Sangar: not yet

L188[06:33:58] <asie> we're waiting on changes in Forge for that

L189[06:34:02] <Sangar> i see

L190[06:34:06] <asie> however, currently Charset provides you a nice API in CharsetHelper.instance

L191[06:34:08] <asie> public abstract <T> T getInterface(Class<T> clazz, World world, BlockPos pos, EnumFacing side);

L192[06:34:10] <asie> should be enough :D

L193[06:34:24] <Sangar> manual proxying ftw \o/

L194[06:34:27] <asie> yeah

L195[06:34:38] <asie> and it's in Charset's API, so you don't need to pull in MCMP to compile

L196[06:34:44] <asie> i just need someone to test if the API is even functional

L197[06:34:46] <asie> so hang on

L198[06:34:47] <Sangar> now i just need a provider interface to implement for this to get the interfaces out of my te ;)

L199[06:34:50] <asie> i'll get you two deobf JARs

L200[06:35:01] <asie> Sangar: actually, things are coming in Forge

L201[06:35:05] <asie> for now it's kludges, but cpw is working on a thing

L202[06:35:07] <Sangar> so i hear

L203[06:35:14] <Sangar> yah

L204[06:35:22] <asie> Sangar: https://gist.github.com/amadornes/c6c9506994d640623921

L205[06:35:24] <asie> look at this

L206[06:35:28] <asie> is this not all you'd ever wanted?

L207[06:35:45] <asie> https://github.com/cpw/MinecraftForge/tree/capabilities/src/main/java/net/minecraftforge/common/capabilities wip

L208[06:35:52] <asie> comment to cpw and amadornes for any input

L209[06:36:08] * Sangar processes

L210[06:36:13] <asie> https://github.com/cpw/MinecraftForge/blob/capabilities/src/main/java/net/minecraftforge/common/capabilities/Capability.java

L211[06:36:18] <asie> things

L212[06:36:30] <asie> proxying will become the official way of handling TE interfaces in Forge itself

L213[06:36:32] <asie> forever

L214[06:36:34] <asie> no more @Optional hell

L215[06:36:37] <Vexatos> asie, the colorful upgrade already supports 24-bit due to robot.setLightColor being 24-bit

L216[06:36:48] <asie> that's why you have to use kludges right now - we're working on solutions and are too lazy to make hacks

L217[06:36:49] <Vexatos> Of course I could make the LEDs 15-bit

L218[06:36:53] <Vexatos> I'm not sure

L219[06:37:31] <Sangar> enums for singletons, that's an approach i hadn't seen yet :X

L220[06:37:48] <asie> this is all a lot of tempcode

L221[06:38:12] <Sangar> so

L222[06:38:17] <asie> also

L223[06:38:22] <asie> the CharsetHelper handles both TEs and multiparts

L224[06:38:22] <Sangar> a capability is a driver, an interaction is a component in oc terms?

L225[06:38:24] <asie> so you needn't worry about that

L226[06:38:27] <asie> Sangar: very likely

L227[06:38:29] <asie> what I see it as

L228[06:38:36] <asie> is a capability defines some sort of interface, the interaction is the implementation

L229[06:38:43] <asie> and the storage is the information necessary to pick the implementation up

L230[06:38:44] <Sangar> mhm

L231[06:38:47] <asie> so a capability would be RFProvider

L232[06:38:51] <asie> an interaction would be IEnergyHandler

L233[06:39:00] <asie> and storage would be, well, setInteger("energy"...)?

L234[06:39:02] <asie> something like that

L235[06:39:04] <asie> not sure

L236[06:39:06] <asie> anyway

L237[06:39:09] <asie> i'm pushing you two deobfs

L238[06:39:14] <asie> please adapt TIS-3D to ensure it works

L239[06:39:19] <asie> Charset 0.1.0 will be out today, possibly w/o gates

L240[06:39:37] <alekso56> enter key abuse :<

L241[06:39:38] <Sangar> intentionally doesn't handle getDescriptionPacket stuffs?

L242[06:39:54] <asie> probably

L243[06:39:59] <asie> this is meant for interactions

L244[06:40:02] <Sangar> because if the write is used for both, that's come to bite me in the ass with oc as we all know :P

L245[06:40:03] <asie> or maybe they didn't think of it

L246[06:40:05] <asie> remember

L247[06:40:10] <asie> this is for cross-mod interactions, not internal designs

L248[06:40:12] <asie> talk to cpw about it

L249[06:40:28] <Sangar> is there an issue for discussing it?

L250[06:40:37] <asie> for now just IRC

L251[06:40:41] <asie> issues end not-so-well

L252[06:40:41] <Sangar> k

L253[06:40:47] <asie> also, get your objections in now

L254[06:40:51] <asie> before it goes behind the lex firewall

L255[06:40:55] <Sangar> mhm

L256[06:41:00] <asie> okay so

L257[06:41:01] <asie> you'll need this

L258[06:41:10] <asie> http://asie.pl/MCMP-1.0.3-deobf.jar

L259[06:41:12] <asie> for testing

L260[06:41:22] <Sangar> stable_20 mappings?

L261[06:41:25] <asie> nah

L262[06:41:27] <asie> slightly later

L263[06:41:29] <asie> well no

L264[06:41:31] <asie> MCMP-1.0.3 is stable_20

L265[06:41:35] <asie> mine are snapshot but i'll send you an obf

L266[06:41:51] <asie> http://asie.pl/Charset-0.1.0-t-obf.jar

L267[06:41:56] <asie> i'll set up a maven on release

L268[06:41:57] <asie> maybe

L269[06:42:09] <Sangar> i still don't know how to load obf'ed ones in dev env >_>

L270[06:42:20] <Sangar> do i just throw it in libs?

L271[06:42:31] <Vexatos> deobfCompile(anythinginlibs)

L272[06:42:31] <Vexatos> >_>

L273[06:42:35] <Vexatos> (no idea)

L274[06:42:36] <Sangar> k

L275[06:42:37] <asie> Sangar: nope

L276[06:42:40] <asie> deobfCompile only works for maven

L277[06:42:41] <Sangar> k

L278[06:42:41] <Sangar> :P

L279[06:42:44] <asie> you need to BON it

L280[06:42:49] <Sangar> oh right

L281[06:42:53] <Sangar> now i remember

L282[06:43:42] <Sangar> oh my

L283[06:43:48] <Sangar> bon is user friendly now

L284[06:43:49] <Sangar> what is this

L285[06:43:52] <Sangar> heresy

L286[06:44:15] <asie> yes

L287[06:44:17] <asie> just use 2.2.3+

L288[06:44:20] <Sangar> yeah

L289[06:46:49] <Vexatos> hmmm uuuh

L290[06:46:58] <Vexatos> any way to get whether a rack is currently running on the client?

L291[06:46:59] <Vexatos> hmm

L292[06:47:42] <asie> yes

L293[06:47:46] <asie> raytrace to the closest rack's power LED

L294[06:47:51] <asie> and grab the GL framebuffer

L295[06:47:53] <asie> to get its color value

L296[06:47:57] <Sangar> ^

L297[06:48:03] <Sangar> pretty simple really

L298[06:48:11] <asie> yeah

L299[06:48:17] <asie> much simpler than finding the right field or method in the rack

L300[06:48:19] <asie> honest

L301[06:48:38] <Vexatos> Sangar, Guess I have to manually synchronize in getData for something like setBoolean(node().getGlobalBufferSize()>0)

L302[06:48:43] <Vexatos> right?

L303[06:48:45] <Vexatos> :/

L304[06:49:03] <Elizabeth> .load

L305[06:49:04] <EnderBot2> CPU: 0.64 0.64 0.61 , RAM: 14.4G/31.3G (~45.8%), SWAP: 411.4M/88.2G (~0.5%)

L306[06:49:06] <asie> also once you port TIS-3D to Charset 0.1.0 you can probably port OpenComputers too, hopefully

L307[06:49:16] <asie> i do not promise the API works however

L308[06:49:54] <Sangar> Vexatos, look for interal.Server in rack

L309[06:50:02] <Sangar> check if getCurrentState == IsWorking

L310[06:50:28] <Sangar> in theory anyway, won't promise that actually works on the client because i'm not sure the required state is synced

L311[06:50:33] <Sangar> but if it's not i can add that

L312[06:51:19] <Vexatos> obtw, if you connect a mountable to a server using those magic GUI wires

L313[06:51:25] <Sangar> asie, is this required btw: http://git.io/vuzjH

L314[06:51:26] <Vexatos> is that Visibility.Neighbors

L315[06:51:31] <Vexatos> or Visibilty.Network

L316[06:51:35] <Sangar> i.e. do i need to do the connectivity check myself?

L317[06:51:36] <Vexatos> Visibility*

L318[06:51:57] <Sangar> Vexatos, it's "i forward network messages and that's it"

L319[06:52:02] <Vexatos> wait

L320[06:52:05] <Sangar> not a real network connection

L321[06:52:14] <Vexatos> what is that bigger wire then

L322[06:52:22] <Vexatos> what's the difference of that to smaller ones .-.

L323[06:52:22] <Sangar> the server's main connection

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L325[06:52:29] <Sangar> that's just a normal "cable" so to say

L326[06:52:32] <asie> Sangar: nope

L327[06:52:34] <Vexatos> That's what I mean

L328[06:52:37] <asie> the functions gladly check connection for you

L329[06:52:54] <Sangar> asie, cool, so i just need getInterface(IBundledEmitter.class, ...)?

L330[06:52:57] <asie> yes

L331[06:52:59] <Vexatos> Sangar, so a normal cable then means .Network?

L332[06:53:00] <Sangar> \o/

L333[06:53:20] <asie> however there's a minor flaw there

L334[06:53:21] <Sangar> Vexatos, uhm, well. a normal cable means nothing. it just merges two networks

L335[06:53:27] <Sangar> it has no influence over visibility

L336[06:53:30] <asie> i need to throw in another one Sangar

L337[06:53:38] <asie> the one you should probably use when dealing with wires

L338[06:53:38] <Vexatos> Sangar, but which visibility do I need on my node

L339[06:53:40] <asie> public static <T> T getInterface(Class<T> clazz, IMultipartContainer container, EnumFacing side, EnumFacing face);

L340[06:53:42] <Vexatos> for a server to be able to talk to it

L341[06:53:44] <asie> as, since this only picks up interfaces for now

L342[06:53:46] <Vexatos> THAT IS MY QUESTION

L343[06:53:47] <asie> it will pick up a random one

L344[06:53:50] <asie> not the highest-signal-strength one

L345[06:53:53] <Sangar> Vexatos, then say that :P

L346[06:53:57] <asie> and with my wires you need to read all of the ones you can reach

L347[06:53:58] <asie> and get the sum

L348[06:54:04] <asie> so let me expose that one too

L349[06:54:04] <Sangar> if it's a mountable, network

L350[06:54:10] <asie> (if side == null it's freestanding btw)

L351[06:54:12] <Vexatos> damnit

L352[06:54:24] <Vexatos> wouldn't that mean that things outside the server could talk to it, too?

L353[06:54:30] <Vexatos> outside the rack*

L354[06:54:58] <Sangar> asie, isn't WireFace.CENTER freestanding?

L355[06:55:01] <asie> Sangar: it is

L356[06:55:03] <Sangar> ah

L357[06:55:10] <asie> but Charset's lib API does not use WireFace

L358[06:55:10] <Sangar> ah

L359[06:55:16] <asie> as I said

L360[06:55:23] <asie> it's a kludgy workaround for the next few weeks

L361[06:55:31] <asie> building new JAR

L362[06:56:08] <Sangar> so i'll need to getInterface for all 5/7 possibilities, right

L363[06:56:10] <asie> but yeah, get the side/faces you need (side is the one outputting to, face are all the faces around that one)

L364[06:56:12] <asie> yes.

L365[06:56:14] <Sangar> k

L366[06:56:24] <asie> you need 1 side and 4 faces (side == face is redundant)

L367[06:56:30] <asie> and then you need side == null and then face can also be null

L368[06:56:42] <Sangar> the 'illegal' faces are noops i hope?

L369[06:56:55] <Sangar> and don't error? :X

L370[06:57:12] <asie> actually

L371[06:57:18] <asie> let me fix that one sec

L372[06:57:19] <alekso56> inb4 they all error

L373[06:58:05] <asie> fixed

L374[06:58:08] <asie> side == face will now not error

L375[06:58:16] <asie> and side == face.getOpposite() will return null immediately as intended

L376[06:58:17] <Sangar> \o/

L377[06:58:23] <Sangar> so i can just enumerate over it

L378[06:58:24] <Sangar> good

L379[06:58:26] <asie> yup

L380[06:58:52] <asie> http://asie.pl/Charset-0.1.0-test2-obf.jar

L381[06:58:54] <asie> try this

L382[06:59:02] <Sangar> will do

L383[06:59:12] <asie> found a minor bug in it but it won't affect wire stuff

L384[06:59:15] <asie> so don't worry

L385[06:59:17] <asie> fixed it already

L386[06:59:22] <Sangar> okeh

L387[07:00:12] <Vexatos> Hmm, what would be the best data structure to hold 4 LEDs

L388[07:00:28] <Vexatos> with 4 values each

L389[07:00:49] <alekso56> Vexatos: enums?

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L391[07:03:22] <asie> Sangar: remember - if it doesn't work, it may be my fault

L392[07:03:59] <Sangar> blargh, need to add mcmp to libs :X

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L394[07:04:42] <Sangar> (because partslot)

L395[07:05:18] <asie> where am I using partslot?

L396[07:05:20] <asie> in the API

L397[07:05:25] <asie> oh

L398[07:05:27] <asie> in WireFace.

L399[07:05:29] <asie> GAH

L400[07:05:32] <asie> sorry

L401[07:05:42] <asie> removed it

L402[07:05:45] <asie> apparently nothing in the code uses it

L403[07:05:53] <Sangar> :P

L404[07:05:55] <asie> wait no, two places

L405[07:06:32] <asie> uploading

L406[07:06:47] <Sangar> now to decipher class not found errors...

L407[07:07:03] <asie> http://asie.pl/Charset-0.1.0-test3-obf.jar

L408[07:07:13] <Sangar> thanks

L409[07:08:49] <Magik6k> ~w gpu

L410[07:08:49] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:gpu

L411[07:10:06] <vifino> Does anybody know what kind of instructions a plotter, laser cutter and similar stuff use?

L412[07:10:16] <vifino> Like, whats the name for that.

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L414[07:12:17] <amadornes> I guessed I'd join, since I haven't been here in aaaaaaaages :P

L415[07:12:18] <amadornes> o/

L416[07:13:00] <Sangar> \o

L417[07:13:52] <asie> yes

L418[07:13:59] <asie> we're all watching with silence as Sangar makes TIS-3D support my new wires

L419[07:14:04] <Sangar> pleasedontcrashpleasedontcrashpleasedontcrashpleasedontcrashpleasedontcrash

L420[07:14:10] <Sangar> ffs

L421[07:14:12] <asie> lol

L422[07:14:16] <amadornes> lol

L423[07:14:18] <asie> #MoreExcitingThanBTM

L424[07:15:23] <Sangar> asie, http://pastebin.com/CZjtjZWJ ideas? :/ don't see any of the usual suspects (unmapped names), so i don't really know what might be causing it

L425[07:15:48] <asie> oh

L426[07:15:53] <amadornes> you don't have MCMP, lol

L427[07:15:53] <asie> Charset needs MCMP to boot, obviously

L428[07:15:57] <asie> wait

L429[07:15:59] <asie> you do

L430[07:16:02] <asie> UC mcmultipart{1.0.2} [MCMultiPart] (MCMP-1.0.3-deobf.jar)

L431[07:16:02] <amadornes> wat

L432[07:16:15] <amadornes> wat

L433[07:16:18] <amadornes> 1.0.3?

L434[07:16:25] <asie> amadornes: "1.0.3"

L435[07:16:25] <amadornes> that's not even built

L436[07:16:32] <asie> it's the build i use

L437[07:16:39] <amadornes> eeeeeeeeehhhhhhhh

L438[07:16:40] <asie> hmm

L439[07:16:42] <asie> try throwing MCMP into libs/

L440[07:16:46] <asie> maybe it needs to do so

L441[07:16:59] <asie> (or, throw just the charset API in libs/ and then MCMP+charset in run/mods but that's mor ework)

L442[07:17:00] <Sangar> i do

L443[07:17:02] <amadornes> so... you've renamed it yourself, right?

L444[07:17:07] <Sangar> k

L445[07:17:34] <asie> yep amadornes

L446[07:17:35] <Sangar> in libs i right now just have charset api, in run/mods the both deobf jars

L447[07:17:38] <asie> okay

L448[07:17:39] <amadornes> oh, okay

L449[07:17:40] <asie> let's see

L450[07:18:17] * Sangar tries something

L451[07:18:27] <Sangar> meh

L452[07:18:27] <Sangar> :X

L453[07:18:37] <asie> odd.

L454[07:18:48] <Sangar> oh! now i have a different one

L455[07:18:56] <Sangar> and this is mapping... dafuq

L456[07:19:05] * Sangar recopies api

L457[07:19:12] <asie> grab from deobf

L458[07:19:22] <Sangar> that's what i thought i did

L459[07:19:31] <Sangar> but i may have fucked up :X

L460[07:19:46] <Vexatos> Hmmm Sangar, Kubuxu, how should blinking work? Should it be synchronized with ticks? Or go by system time? (then it'd also work while the game was paused :/)

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L462[07:20:02] *** AntheusAsleep is now known as AntheusSchool

L463[07:20:19] * npe|office is curious

L464[07:20:23] <Sangar> ticks i'd say

L465[07:20:31] <npe|office> blinking as in teleport?

L466[07:20:35] <Sangar> WE HAVE LIFTOFF!

L467[07:20:39] <Vexatos> blinking as in blinking

L468[07:20:45] <amadornes> woot!

L469[07:20:53] <npe|office> as in flashing lights?

L470[07:21:21] <npe|office> or blinking with your eyes?

L471[07:22:11] <npe|office> nvm. just found the scrollbar :D

L472[07:22:13] <Sangar> are bundled cables multipart by default?

L473[07:22:20] <asie> all cables are

L474[07:22:24] <Sangar> k

L475[07:22:25] <asie> there is no non-multipart version anymore/for now

L476[07:22:28] <asie> as MCMP is slated to go into Forge

L477[07:22:36] <asie> so... why bother?

L478[07:23:44] <Sangar> well, it partially works

L479[07:24:04] <asie> hm?

L480[07:24:35] <Sangar> looks like there's no block update when power goes back down / to zero?

L481[07:25:13] <Sangar> might be me tho, will do more testing

L482[07:25:30] <Sangar> hrm

L483[07:25:33] <asie> possible

L484[07:25:38] <asie> entirely possible, i never really tested

L485[07:25:40] <asie> this

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L487[07:26:19] <Sangar> but only yellow does this :X

L488[07:26:24] <Sangar> well

L489[07:26:26] <asie> what

L490[07:26:28] <Sangar> of the colors i've tested

L491[07:26:28] <asie> O _ O

L492[07:26:35] <Vexatos> Sangar, I hate Java modulus

L493[07:26:36] <Sangar> white and orange work

L494[07:26:37] <Sangar> i don't

L495[07:26:39] <Kubuxu> Vexatos: I would prefer to make blinking manually. This way when computer dies then light stops blinking.

L496[07:26:39] <asie> whattttt

L497[07:26:40] <Vexatos> it's soooooooooo ermahgurd

L498[07:26:42] <Vexatos> look at this

L499[07:26:43] <Vexatos> http://paste.asie.pl/Mv5U

L500[07:26:45] <Vexatos> LOOK

L501[07:26:46] <Vexatos> AT

L502[07:26:47] <Vexatos> IT

L503[07:26:53] <Vexatos> It's soooo goood

L504[07:26:55] <Vexatos> ;_;

L505[07:27:03] <asie> oh right

L506[07:27:05] <asie> public int getBundledSignalLevel(int i) {

L507[07:27:07] <asie> return 0;

L508[07:27:09] <asie> }

L509[07:27:11] <asie> i'm a bloody idiot

L510[07:27:18] <Sangar> \o/

L511[07:27:37] <asie> oh no

L512[07:27:39] <asie> that's PartWireNormal

L513[07:27:41] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, I guess

L514[07:27:41] <asie> that's good

L515[07:27:47] <Vexatos> setActive would allow setting blink manually

L516[07:27:50] <Sangar> hm

L517[07:27:51] <Vexatos> no need for all this shite

L518[07:28:08] <Sangar> output doesn't seem to work either. time to throw some breakpoints at this

L519[07:28:15] <asie> the bundled ones might be bugged

L520[07:28:31] <Vexatos> wahahaa

L521[07:28:58] <Vexatos> Sangar, speaking of network bloat: I now send a tag containing one boolean and one tag list containing 4 tags containing one integer and one boolean each.

L522[07:29:02] <asie> let me also add another function to charsethelper

L523[07:29:04] <asie> getInterfaceList

L524[07:29:09] <Vexatos> AM I DOING THIS RIGHT

L525[07:29:56] <amadornes> oh, Vexatos

L526[07:30:00] <amadornes> I think it's worth mentioning

L527[07:30:08] <amadornes> heldplayer and I are doing evil stuffs

L528[07:30:09] <amadornes> http://puu.sh/mkQQL.png

L529[07:30:15] <amadornes> that's uncooked and cooked walrus meat

L530[07:30:17] <amadornes> flamingo is next

L531[07:30:29] <vifino> o_o

L532[07:30:47] <Vexatos> amadornes, can't good a deity

L533[07:30:48] <amadornes> I was not the one that came up with the idea, I just made the textures... xD

L534[07:30:59] <Vexatos> I'll personally learn ASM and make your mod useless if you do that

L535[07:31:01] <Vexatos> :P

L536[07:31:12] <amadornes> it's not *MY* mod

L537[07:31:14] <amadornes> it's helds :P

L538[07:31:15] <Vexatos> (I'd just remove the recipe in Flamingo)

L539[07:31:18] <Vexatos> well, go tell him

L540[07:31:26] <asie> Sangar: i might look itno it myself later

L541[07:31:39] <amadornes> and yes, you're actually going to slice one of your flamingos in half to get flamingo meat :')

L542[07:31:41] <Sangar> asie, http://imgur.com/CGgvos9 is what i'm seeing

L543[07:31:49] <Vexatos> amadornes, as I said

L544[07:31:51] <Sangar> getBundledSignal is called on the casing

L545[07:31:54] <Sangar> and returns the correct values

L546[07:31:57] <Vexatos> I'll simply patch the Flamingo mod to get rid of that

L547[07:31:59] <Sangar> but bundled cable don't care

L548[07:31:59] <Vexatos> if you do it

L549[07:31:59] <Vexatos> :P

L550[07:32:01] <Sangar> it just stays off

L551[07:32:02] <Sangar> :P

L552[07:32:06] <asie> Sangar: try using red alloy wire

L553[07:32:06] <amadornes> heh :P

L554[07:32:09] <asie> instead of redstone wire

L555[07:32:10] <Vexatos> it's not funny

L556[07:32:14] <Vexatos> I am serious.

L557[07:32:14] <asie> handling vanilla redstone is NOT precise

L558[07:32:21] <Vexatos> You can not get meat out of wool

L559[07:32:24] <Sangar> m

L560[07:32:25] <asie> in fact

L561[07:32:26] <Vexatos> the Flamingo is meant to be useless

L562[07:32:28] <asie> hm

L563[07:32:34] <Vexatos> you are ruining the entire mod by doing this

L564[07:32:42] <amadornes> I AM NOT >_>

L565[07:32:45] <amadornes> held is >_>

L566[07:32:48] <Vexatos> then go tell held

L567[07:32:50] <Vexatos> tell him now

L568[07:32:52] <amadornes> already did

L569[07:32:54] <Vexatos> good

L570[07:33:06] <asie> Sangar: also i assume you do return 0-15 values

L571[07:33:06] <vifino> Donut. Ruin. Thy. Flamingo.

L572[07:33:14] <Vexatos> ^

L573[07:33:26] <amadornes> but you'll be able to make flamingos out of dyed meat and leather D:

L574[07:33:32] <amadornes> they'll still be useless

L575[07:33:47] <Sangar> asie, o right, there was that. lemme retry with that :X

L576[07:33:53] <amadornes> and flamingo meat probably won't restore much :P

L577[07:34:07] <amadornes> it'll most likely give you food poisoning

L578[07:34:43] <npe|office> could make you stand on one leg only if you eat it.

L579[07:34:52] <Vexatos> amadornes, NO.

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L581[07:34:53] <npe|office> don't punch me.

L582[07:34:57] <Vexatos> Simple as that.

L583[07:34:58] <Vexatos> No

L584[07:35:07] <Vexatos> I can say No in multiple languages if you want that

L585[07:35:10] <Vexatos> but it stays a No

L586[07:35:11] <Sangar> asie, allright, boiled it down to: when signal goes off, i don't get onBundledInputChanged called on the casing

L587[07:35:18] <amadornes> I'm not the one to stop :P

L588[07:35:21] <amadornes> I just made the texture

L589[07:35:23] <amadornes> go tell held :P

L590[07:35:23] <Vexatos> THEN GO TELL HELD

L591[07:35:34] <Sangar> everything else seems to work from what i can tell

L592[07:35:49] <amadornes> I'm not going to eat flamingo, that's for sure

L593[07:36:10] <amadornes> I like them too much to even get close to them with a knife

L594[07:36:59] <asie> Sangar: mhm

L595[07:37:43] <vifino> Vexatos: Thy musteth stop the thy flamingo deuselessifier!

L596[07:37:46] <Sangar> so yeah, any other changes in strength trigger an update

L597[07:37:50] <Sangar> but going to zero does nothing

L598[07:38:29] <asie> yes

L599[07:38:30] <Alex-Learning> https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/3zpd1j/ftb_infinity_server_without_paid_minecraft_account/

L600[07:38:32] <asie> zero is a special case...

L601[07:38:34] <asie> may i have a build?

L602[07:38:39] <Sangar> sure

L603[07:39:54] <Sangar> asie, https://www.dropbox.com/s/wpr2fj1j10aro09/TIS-3D-MC1.8.9-0.8.2%2B4c6e8af.jar?dl=0

L604[07:42:42] <asie> Sangar: that /is/ weird

L605[07:43:45] <asie> Sangar: yup, bug

L606[07:43:52] <Sangar> wub

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L608[07:44:00] zsh sets mode: +v on Kodos

L609[07:44:25] <Inari> all the bugs

L610[07:44:36] <Sangar> btbtm

L611[07:44:53] <Inari> haha

L612[07:45:52] <asie> Sangar: fixed

L613[07:45:54] <asie> compiling

L614[07:45:59] <Kodos> Good morning!

L615[07:46:02] <asie> was a pretty good find

L616[07:46:05] <Sangar> yey

L617[07:46:08] <Sangar> morning Kodos

L618[07:46:16] <Inari> Cruor: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18783800/html5test/yuru2.mp4 those 2 are just gold

L619[07:46:32] <Kodos> Sangar! =D Any more thoughts on my issue/request and/or my special thinger request?

L620[07:46:48] <Kodos> Can get links to both if you ned a refresher

L621[07:46:52] <Kodos> need, too

L622[07:47:02] <asie> Sangar: http://asie.pl/Charset-0.1.0-test5-obf.jar

L623[07:47:04] <asie> plonk

L624[07:49:09] <asie> does this work?

L625[07:49:14] <Sangar> testing

L626[07:49:34] <Sangar> jup

L627[07:49:39] <asie> excellent

L628[07:49:41] <Sangar> now one more effect i need to figure out whose fault it is :X

L629[07:49:42] <asie> time to release Charset 0.1.0

L630[07:49:44] <asie> oh

L631[07:49:46] <asie> ok

L632[07:49:52] <asie> i'll wait

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L634[07:50:58] <Sangar> ah. right. need to getInterface when sending onBundledInputChanged too

L635[07:52:31] <asie> yes.

L636[07:52:34] <Sangar> yep

L637[07:52:35] <Sangar> done

L638[07:53:05] <Sangar> yep, reading works too, all looking good :)

L639[07:53:08] <asie> yay

L640[07:53:10] <asie> time to release :D

L641[07:53:10] <Kodos> asie, charset has bundled cables and whatnot?

L642[07:53:23] <asie> Kodos: yes

L643[07:53:32] <asie> also a (~25%) selection of RP2 logic gates, but those are still WIP

L644[07:53:40] <Kodos> Would you be willing to put in control panels a la Project: Blue?

L645[07:53:42] <asie> yes

L646[07:53:48] <asie> actually, I/O panels is something i dearly missed in RedLogic

L647[07:53:51] <Kodos> Do that, and I will gladly uninstall P:R, since that's all I use them for

L648[07:53:56] <asie> Kodos: but i'm on 1.8

L649[07:53:58] <asie> so you won't

L650[07:53:59] <Kodos> I never used RedPower, tbqh

L651[07:54:00] <asie> :D

L652[07:54:07] <asie> P:R has low chances of coming to 1.8.9 as FMP is on its way out

L653[07:54:09] <Kodos> asie, you didn't hear? I have a 1.8 pack

L654[07:54:12] <asie> and P:R would need a near-completer ewrite

L655[07:54:17] <asie> so you won't uninstall P:R, you just will never install it.

L656[07:54:19] <asie> :)

L657[07:54:20] <Kodos> Because Mirrors (Crayfish's furniture mod)

L658[07:54:31] <Sangar> asie, will that charset version be 1.8.8 too? aka should i backport that stuff or just keep it in 1.8.9?

L659[07:54:48] <asie> Sangar: 1.8.9.

L660[07:54:53] <Sangar> okeh

L661[07:55:00] <Kodos> Cryptography challenge! Translate this! åæàñæÆÉÊØÅÏßÉ

L662[07:55:01] <asie> for 1.8.8, just use Charset 0.0.5 compat

L663[07:55:27] <asie> also, Charset 0.1.0 will have a deobf JAR

L664[08:00:34] <vifino> Kodos: "I like trying out all the umlauts on my keyboard.".

L665[08:01:22] <asie> http://charset.asie.pl/changelog

L666[08:01:32] <Kodos> vifino: made my brother laugh =D

L667[08:02:05] <vifino> :P

L668[08:02:15] <Kodos> Whatever it is, it's in English

L669[08:02:22] <Kodos> I'm firing up OC now to get the raw byte data

L670[08:02:29] <Kodos> Then I'm gonna use those as keyboard key numbers

L671[08:02:32] <Kodos> And see what comes up

L672[08:03:08] <vifino> I think I killed the gpu in my server.

L673[08:03:08] <vifino> :v

L674[08:03:59] <vifino> Let's put another one in.

L675[08:04:10] <vifino> Like the gpu of my not-yet-finished rig.

L676[08:04:14] <vifino> A 980ti.

L677[08:04:22] <vifino> Le sigh. Reconfiguring all the things.

L678[08:04:40] <Mimiru> I found the cause of all of my GPU issues was my power supply ._.

L679[08:04:45] <Mimiru> Stole Naomi's...

L680[08:04:46] <Mimiru> lol

L681[08:04:53] <asie> Sangar: okay, mine's out

L682[08:04:57] <vifino> Haaa.

L683[08:05:10] <vifino> Mimiru: Well, my server doesn't have power issues.

L684[08:05:24] <vifino> Two 1.2kw psus...

L685[08:05:24] <Mimiru> Put mine in my server's since it only pulls like 200 watts, and put the server's psu in her's since it was 500

L686[08:05:26] <Mimiru> so it all works out

L687[08:05:52] <Mimiru> Mine was a 850, but it was still failing :P

L688[08:06:32] * Elizabeth is going to upgrade her PC at the end of the month

L689[08:06:38] <vifino> But, since my 980ti needs more juice than I can provide from the servers psu, lets add another one. And the only one I have that can supply it enough... 1kw!

L690[08:06:44] <vifino> /Yay/.

L691[08:06:59] <vifino> Elizabeth: :D

L692[08:07:08] <vifino> What do you plan on upgrading/upgrading to?

L693[08:07:10] <Vexatos> Sangar, Kubuxu, these are the positions of lights I was able to come up with http://i.imgur.com/EKPNXbu.png

L694[08:07:17] <Vexatos> do you have any better idea?

L695[08:07:28] <Vexatos> Because none of these I actually like

L696[08:07:30] <vifino> blinken lights

L697[08:07:38] <Kubuxu> IMHO the first one

L698[08:07:48] <Elizabeth> Gonna get new MainBoard+CPU+RAM, CPU cooler and PSU and perhaps a few HDDs so i can turn my old hardware into a server

L699[08:07:55] <Sangar> Vexatos, first one looks fine yeah

L700[08:07:58] <Vexatos> ok

L701[08:08:06] <Sangar> asie, k, will push in a bit

L702[08:08:08] <Elizabeth> vifino, Haswell-based probably, DDR4

L703[08:08:09] <Kodos> Vexatos: Whatcha makin?

L704[08:08:11] <Vexatos> Sangar, TIL gimp can open and save psd

L705[08:08:19] <vifino> Elizabeth: Haswell and ddr4?

L706[08:08:23] <vifino> You mean, haswell-e?

L707[08:08:47] <Elizabeth> vifino, someting that was in the haswell section of scan.co.uk that supported DDR4

L708[08:08:58] <vifino> Elizabeth: Link?

L709[08:09:33] <vifino> -_- right, detached ssd

L710[08:09:34] <Elizabeth> vifino, i would but it's on my main pc and the cache expired so i don't have a good link at the moment

L711[08:10:05] <vifino> Elizabeth: How many cores does the cpu have? 6/8? If so, it is haswell-e

L712[08:10:12] <vifino> anyhow, rebooooooting

L713[08:10:14] <vifino> :(

L714[08:10:34] <Elizabeth> i can't remmeber

L715[08:13:03] <vifino> And I'm back!

L716[08:13:05] <vifino> \o/

L717[08:13:32] <Kodos> Thank you, big brother, for not telling me their was a "password key file" until I'm knee deep in website tabs

L718[08:14:50] <vifino> Elizabeth: I can't recommend going with haswell-e though, if you want ddr4 and good performance, go with skylake, it has some very nice imrpovements

L719[08:15:09] <vifino> well, haswell-e with the lower end chips and not the biggest one, at least

L720[08:15:23] <vifino> but the biggest one costs a shit ton.

L721[08:16:58] <Sangar> allright, new tis build is up, and i'll be off for probably the rest of the day, so o/

L722[08:17:09] <vifino> Sangar: See ya! \o

L723[08:18:32] <Kodos> o7

L724[08:21:16] <asie> Sangar: When you come back

L725[08:21:23] <asie> what's your opinion on an item detection module for TIS-3D?

L726[08:21:25] <asie> for pipes

L727[08:22:41] <dangranos> asie: basically redstone emitting detector?

L728[08:22:48] <dangranos> or is it something more comples?

L729[08:22:50] <dangranos> *x

L730[08:23:12] <asie> dangranos: item detection would give you an unique hash of the block type in 16 bits

L731[08:23:18] <asie> type/metadata

L732[08:23:23] <asie> item type/metadata*

L733[08:24:32] <dangranos> huh, sounds usefull

L734[08:26:16] <Izaya> right

L735[08:26:27] <Izaya> I need to build a modpack for my next LAN party

L736[08:26:48] <Kodos> What the hell kind of encryption generates a file called "password.key"

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L738[08:34:56] <Vexatos> asie, comparator

L739[08:35:02] <Vexatos> add comparator interaction

L740[08:35:03] <asie> Vexatos: no

L741[08:35:13] <Vexatos> TIS-3D: If it can be done with redstone, do it with redstone

L742[08:35:23] <Vexatos> Only add new modules if you absolutely positively have to

L743[08:35:53] <Vexatos> add a detector block which you can place next to a pipe

L744[08:35:57] <Vexatos> which has comparator interaction

L745[08:35:58] <Vexatos> whatever

L746[08:36:08] <Vexatos> but don't add a module for something that just asks for redstone

L747[08:37:16] <Vexatos> uuuuuuuuuuh

L748[08:37:24] <Kodos> I have no idea what I'm doing with this

L749[08:37:41] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, what should the functions do if you pass an invalid index?

L750[08:38:03] <asie> Vexatos: no, you don't get it

L751[08:38:08] <asie> the TIS-3D would give you a 16-bit hash

L752[08:38:14] <asie> the detector would just look for specific items

L753[08:38:43] <Kubuxu> Vexatos: with diodes? nil, index out of range

L754[08:39:22] <Vexatos> but nil is bad

L755[08:39:35] <Vexatos> because if board.isActive(i) then

L756[08:39:43] <Vexatos> nil would just be interpreted as false :P

L757[08:40:39] <Vexatos> I guess I could throw an error

L758[08:40:57] <Vexatos> but stuff like "not enough energy" will simply return false

L759[08:41:10] <Vexatos> since those may not be avoidable

L760[08:41:15] <Vexatos> but a bad index definitely is

L761[08:51:26] <Vexatos> Welll uuuuuuh

L762[08:51:38] <Vexatos> hmm

L763[08:54:40] <Kodos> Vex, what was the program you were mentioning right before you logged off yesterday

L764[08:54:43] <Kodos> About this time

L765[08:54:53] <Kodos> I was going to ask you for it, but you logged before I could

L766[08:55:21] <Vexatos> which program

L767[08:55:35] <Kodos> It was something I was talking about, and you chimed in that you had a program for it already, then logged

L768[08:56:41] <Kodos> Elizabeth: do you remember?

L769[08:56:52] <Vexatos> err I talked about my big reactors program .-.

L770[08:59:23] <Kodos> bleh, wish I had logs

L771[09:00:20] <Kodos> I think it was microcontroller stuff?

L772[09:00:26] <Kodos> Oh yeah, the stuff you had on BTM

L773[09:00:27] <Kodos> For the redstone

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L775[09:02:05] <Vexatos> ah

L776[09:02:09] <Vexatos> I made two MCUs

L777[09:02:16] <Vexatos> one sent bundled signal from the control room

L778[09:02:26] <Vexatos> the other one received it and emitted it to bundled redstone again

L779[09:02:30] <Vexatos> below the dance floor

L780[09:02:34] <Vexatos> Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh sangar......

L781[09:02:40] <Kodos> Yeahh, if I could get that code from you, that'd be great

L782[09:03:05] <Vexatos> Kodos, I guess it vanished with BTM's server :P

L783[09:03:13] <Vexatos> Sangar: My light board doesn't show as a component ;_;

L784[09:03:18] <Vexatos> like

L785[09:03:22] <Vexatos> it's not there

L786[09:03:23] <Kodos> You don't keep it externally stored somewhere?

L787[09:03:24] <Vexatos> at all

L788[09:03:29] <Vexatos> Kodos, this one? no

L789[09:03:35] <Vexatos> because it was like 10 lines

L790[09:03:49] <Vexatos> but it used creative MCU cases

L791[09:03:51] <Vexatos> and linked cards

L792[09:04:13] <Kodos> Well, I'm basically just wanting to set up an MCU to put the signal strengths of all 16 colors on a sign on the front, 4 channels per line

L793[09:04:41] <Kodos> Which sounds easy enough, but I'm using this to teach myself how to program at the hardware level

L794[09:07:18] <Vexatos> well why would you want my code then :P

L795[09:07:59] <Kodos> To reverse engineer, learn from, and try to make something using what I learn

L796[09:09:18] <Kodos> I have a fun idea

L797[09:09:37] <Kodos> Give me something similar to what you had, but broken. That way, I have a basis to work from, but I still have to selfteach to get it to work

L798[09:11:54] <Kodos> Yes? No?

L799[09:16:34] <Vexatos> >_>

L800[09:16:41] <Vexatos> I can't make broken code on purpose >_>

L801[09:17:27] <Kodos> Then make the fixed version and just let me look at that?

L802[09:18:02] <Kodos> You said yourself it's like 10 lines, if that. Surely, it can't possibly take long enough that you can't take the time to make a quick pastebin

L803[09:18:05] <Alissa> if you ever want somethign broken to work on just choose a random project from my GitHub repo :P

L804[09:18:29] <Kodos> It's not that I want something broken to work on, it's that what he wrote is very similar to what I want to learn how to do

L805[09:24:22] <Vexatos> Yup, Sangar, can confirm the component doesn't appear at all

L806[09:24:25] <Vexatos> and I have no idea why :D

L807[09:25:06] <Kodos> He's off for the rest of the day most likely

L808[09:30:36] <dangranos> lol

L809[09:30:38] <dangranos> http://imgur.com/gallery/Vcpsk

L810[09:30:51] <dangranos> ctrl+f, "linux", "Phrase not found"

L811[09:33:18] <Kodos> I'm looking forward to Crackdown 3

L812[09:39:31] <nxsupert> Kon'nichiwa

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L814[10:02:26] <Kodos> Vexatos: do me a favor. Next time you remember you have code, don't mention having it unless you're okay with sharing it. It's no help to someone who asks about something, you saying 'Oh yeah, I've done that' and then not being helpful in any way

L815[10:02:40] <Kodos> It makes you look like an ass

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L818[10:09:09] <Temia> Dangranos: weeeak

L819[10:09:31] <nxsupert> Naming programs is hard.

L820[10:10:14] <Kodos> thingdoer.lua

L821[10:10:40] <vifino> >not even thingie

L822[10:10:44] <vifino> I am dissapoint, Kodos.

L823[10:11:01] <nxsupert> Well. It is a bios that have a very limited terminal in it.

L824[10:11:35] <Ivoah> http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/10/27/one-of-the-coders-hardest-problems/

L825[10:15:14] <Kodos> Parzi's Star Wars mod looks neat

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L829[10:39:13] <Kodos> Okay, I have a test program reading/writing from/to a file, saving bundled redstone states

L830[10:41:35] <Kodos> I see now why Vex's program was only 10 lines

L831[10:41:58] <Kodos> Since all you'd have to do is read the redstone status, serialize the resulting table, transmit it, unserialize it, and use the table as the new setting

L832[10:47:00] <Kodos> Now the fun part, figuring out how to do this on an MCU vs a server

L833[10:48:24] <Kodos> Okay, so Goal: Make two MCUs, one with a control panel with 16 levers, one with a control panel with 16 lamps. Using a wireless network card, have the lamp board update in real time when I flip a switch on the other board

L834[10:56:58] <Temia> Well, what are you using for bundled wires?

L835[10:59:38] <Kodos> atm Project Red, but as soon as I stop being lazy and get my 1.8 pack off of my computer or put together a new one which will likely be the better option,and asie finishes control panels, Charset

L836[11:00:14] <Kodos> I've already accomplished 90% of what I want to do, the difficulty lies in the fact that i Have no idea how to program an EEPROM to make an MCU do it

L837[11:00:21] <Kodos> But I have server racks doing it already

L838[11:00:26] <asie> no promises on that the control panels will be anywhere near to P:Blue tho

L839[11:00:36] <asie> i was considering more a 16-button hardcoded input panel, much like levers but for bundled signaling.

L840[11:00:49] <Temia> There's a bundled input panel circuit. o3o

L841[11:01:10] <Kodos> Maybe a tool to toggle either per-lever or the entire board between lever and button mode?

L842[11:02:00] <Kodos> Temia, http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/greg.ewing/minecraft/mods/ProjectBlue/doc/ControlPanel.html

L843[11:02:01] <Temia> ah... I'm too sleepy to be saying things.

L844[11:02:59] <Kodos> Wow, wtf Gyazo

L845[11:03:11] <Kodos> I can't even access a picture i took 3 seconds ago and forgot to copy the link to

L846[11:03:15] <Kodos> without making an account

L847[11:03:21] <Kodos> I see it right here on the history screen

L848[11:03:26] <Kodos> But it won't let me click it without having an account

L849[11:04:24] <Kodos> Welp, uninstalled that bullshit

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L851[11:04:52] <Kodos> Apparently either my detabling function is broken, or OC is

L852[11:04:59] <Kodos> Was trying to screenshot the error, but no dice

L853[11:07:37] <Kodos> https://github.com/MyNameIsKodos/OpenComputers-Programs/blob/master/lib/kodos.lua#L66-L72 Aside from formatting, anyone see any issues with that?

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L855[11:28:48] <Kodos> Well, Lizzy was right. Vex was an arse about sharing code

L856[11:28:54] <Kodos> That's the last time I say he's helpful

L857[11:29:08] <Kodos> And the last time I ask him for anything

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L867[11:41:39] <Kodos> ~w linked card

L868[11:41:39] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:tunnel

L869[11:42:30] <Kodos> ~w custom os

L870[11:42:30] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/tutorial:custom_oses

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L876[11:53:51] <Kodos> Can you pass additional parameters when starting something via rc?

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L887[12:07:02] <reinei> yay, so apparently backups are important, even before a chkdsk -.-

L888[12:08:11] <gamax92> chkdsk can WREKT your drives

L889[12:09:29] <gamax92> A Better CD Encoder, ABCDE

L890[12:09:53] <CompanionCube> reinei, what was rekt

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L892[12:10:21] <gamax92> reinei was rekt

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L894[12:12:57] <sugoi> gamax92: popen is done-done as of last night. feels awesome to have finally out of the way. i even ran my tests inside another popen :)

L895[12:13:27] <gamax92> sugoi: did you test it in real MC

L896[12:13:31] <gamax92> and on a T1.5 system?

L897[12:13:54] <sugoi> that's next. started building the test machines in mc

L898[12:14:26] <sugoi> then i'll start looking at optimizing memory costs and what not

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L900[12:17:37] <reinei> CompanionCube: everything?

L901[12:17:49] <CompanionCube> O.o

L902[12:17:53] <reinei> it booted up OK once more, now the whole drive is gone

L903[12:18:03] <reinei> albeit after a recovery attemp its gone

L904[12:18:09] <reinei> attempt*

L905[12:18:44] <reinei> luckily, I outsourced most of my programs to an external drive

L906[12:18:45] <sugoi> reinei: i am not immune to that level of failure. but i use btrfs and am looking into implementing send/recv to mirror my backups on a separate pool

L907[12:18:56] <sugoi> which would protect me from any failure

L908[12:19:05] <reinei> sugoi, I will probably just started taking backups more frequently

L909[12:19:14] <CompanionCube> sugoi, don't rsync.net do something similar with ZFS

L910[12:19:29] <reinei> and the worst part is: I don'T care about my lost programs, my lost save files are MUCH MUCH worse

L911[12:19:30] <sugoi> CompanionCube: yes, it is similar. but i'm a love of btrfs

L912[12:19:35] <Temia> f2fs for my primary disk here. o/ Though my media disk is ext4... as is my rsync external...

L913[12:19:50] <sugoi> CompanionCube: a lover*

L914[12:20:00] <CompanionCube> as in

L915[12:20:09] <sugoi> a bin fan*

L916[12:20:12] <sugoi> big*

L917[12:20:14] <CompanionCube> they're a 'cloud' storage provider that supports ZFS send/recv

L918[12:20:14] <sugoi> the typos!

L919[12:20:17] <Temia> Ah well.

L920[12:20:28] <Temia> Still way better than NTFS.

L921[12:20:45] <sugoi> CompanionCube: oh it's hosted? i was thinking you just meant using rsync to mirror zfs pools

L922[12:20:51] <sugoi> CompanionCube: i'm very much not into hosted clouds

L923[12:20:55] <sugoi> i host all my own stuff

L924[12:21:06] * gamax92 gives Temia HPFS

L925[12:21:09] <sugoi> cheaper? no. more reliable? probably not. fun? yes :)

L926[12:21:15] * CompanionCube gives Temia HFS

L927[12:21:15] <sugoi> and trusted? completely

L928[12:21:27] * sugoi gives Temia a high five

L929[12:21:33] <Inari> Temia: New Temia File System?

L930[12:21:52] <asie> Not Temia's File System

L931[12:21:54] <reinei> but its fun to see that I apparrently visit youtube enough to have ff cache the thumbnails of the channels and some videos to disk xD

L932[12:21:55] <asie> :D

L933[12:22:07] <gamax92> New Temia, but then where is Old Temia?

L934[12:22:22] <Inari> the other Temia

L935[12:22:27] <Inari> but you cant know which is which

L936[12:22:28] <Temia> Asie wins.

L937[12:22:31] <Inari> because you dont ask a cow her age

L938[12:22:31] <reinei> Iff I knew how to write a filesystem windows could read, I'd do OTFS

L939[12:23:00] <sugoi> speaking of cross platform

L940[12:23:02] <gamax92> Temia: :v Mine wasn't even related to that.

L941[12:23:13] <sugoi> what's a good filesystem windows, mac, and linux and read and write to?

L942[12:23:18] <Inari> OTFS?

L943[12:23:25] <sugoi> if 3rd party drivers are required for windows, that's fine

L944[12:23:36] <gamax92> Temia: You wouldn't use a filesystem that's called HIGH PERFORMANCE FILESYSTEM?

L945[12:23:38] <Temia> Define "good"

L946[12:23:46] <sugoi> Temia: good == works

L947[12:23:48] <sugoi> :)

L948[12:23:52] <Temia> FAT32.

L949[12:23:54] <Temia> Next question.

L950[12:23:56] <nxsupert> FAT or ExFAT

L951[12:23:57] <sugoi> ok

L952[12:24:03] <sugoi> good == works and >4GiB files

L953[12:24:19] <nxsupert> Actually. Can Linux read ExFAT?

L954[12:24:25] <Temia> Yeah.

L955[12:24:58] <Temia> ExFAT support has been around for a while. Can't remember if it's a ko or fuse driver though.

L956[12:25:06] <Temia> Anyway sugoi, ExFAT as nxsupert said

L957[12:25:06] <gamax92> I think both exist

L958[12:25:11] <Inari> gamax92: oppai

L959[12:25:12] <sugoi> k

L960[12:25:28] <gamax92> boooooobs

L961[12:25:28] <Temia> noppai

L962[12:25:39] <Temia> :T

L963[12:25:44] * Inari slaps Temia's boobs

L964[12:25:44] * EnderBot2 rulls on the floor laughing

L965[12:25:51] <Temia> *miss*

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L968[12:25:57] <Inari> :P

L969[12:26:00] <Temia> Can't hit something that isn't there :v

L970[12:26:03] <CompanionCube> inb4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_File_System

L971[12:26:07] <Inari> haha

L972[12:26:07] <gamax92> ... self burn?

L973[12:26:14] <Temia> <-- pettancow

L974[12:26:25] * gamax92 gives Temia a glass of milk

L975[12:26:25] <Temia> Also ew, Cube. ewww.

L976[12:26:33] * Inari slaps Elizabeth's oppai then :<

L977[12:26:33] * EnderBot2 laughs

L978[12:26:38] * Temia ...

L979[12:26:41] <gamax92> almond milk

L980[12:26:42] <CompanionCube> Max. volume size 20 MiB

L981[12:26:46] * Temia sips begrudgingly. ¬3¬

L982[12:26:58] * Inari hands Temia some rat milk

L983[12:27:04] <gamax92> wat no.

L984[12:27:19] <Temia> no.

L985[12:27:25] <Inari> hm

L986[12:27:27] * vifino slaps Inari a few times

L987[12:27:27] * EnderBot2 high-fives vifino

L988[12:27:31] * Inari hands Temia the milk of human kindness?

L989[12:27:33] <Inari> D:

L990[12:27:36] * Inari dies

L991[12:27:41] <vifino> No touchy.

L992[12:27:49] * CompanionCube slaps vifino

L993[12:27:49] * vifino slaps CompanionCube with a great big, wet, 100% rubber DUCK!

L994[12:27:49] * EnderBot2 laughs

L995[12:27:54] <Temia> what is this even.

L996[12:28:00] <gamax92> Temia: almond milk

L997[12:28:04] <Temia> Nah.

L998[12:28:10] <Inari> http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/milk-human-kindness :s

L999[12:29:44] <Temia> Indeed, for the nearest way is a minotaur's way

L1000[12:30:06] <Temia> Our hereditary pathfinding algorithms say it is so.

L1001[12:30:20] <sugoi> this channel is odd

L1002[12:30:34] <Vexatos> mmmh got a new mouse pad

L1003[12:30:35] <Vexatos> Hi folks

L1004[12:30:36] <Temia> It's just a few nutjobs.

L1005[12:30:49] <Elizabeth> Temia, that's an understatement

L1006[12:30:51] <Inari> lol

L1007[12:30:53] <sugoi> Vexatos: yeah!?

L1008[12:30:54] <Temia> Yeah.

L1009[12:30:58] <Temia> A few utter loons.

L1010[12:31:06] <Inari> udder loons

L1011[12:31:06] <Inari> :3

L1012[12:31:14] * Temia slap

L1013[12:31:16] <Vexatos> Hi sugoi

L1014[12:31:18] <Inari> D:

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L1016[12:36:39] <Vexatos> Hey sangar, do you happen to have a base icon for rack mountables?

L1017[12:39:20] <sugoi> Vexatos: anything cool printed on your mouse pad?

L1018[12:39:34] <Vexatos> whales >_>

L1019[12:39:45] <Vexatos> I just bought one that didn't look too horrible

L1020[12:40:08] <Vexatos> since my old one broke and the one I had before that refuses to stick to glass

L1021[12:40:16] <Vexatos> (my desk is made out of glass)

L1022[12:41:02] <Temia> That explains the need for a mousepad to boot

L1023[12:45:45] <gamax92> pj's are comfy

L1024[12:46:23] * Elizabeth starts playing the bass line to Zombie by The Cranberries

L1025[12:46:54] <gamax92> Temia: https://i.imgur.com/AhwuaDW.png<b>

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L1027[12:48:07] <Vexatos> Temia, yea, laser mice + glass isn't really working well

L1028[12:48:23] <Vexatos> it's like it just ignores the surface ;_;

L1029[12:48:34] <gamax92> why do you have a glass desk, what if it shatters on you

L1030[12:48:41] <gamax92> Computronics would be r.i.p

L1031[12:49:01] <sugoi> do you guys use the java jre that comes bundled with minecraft?

L1032[12:49:13] <gamax92> ... minecraft ships with java?

L1033[12:49:16] <sugoi> i haven't used the official launcher for a LONG time, i use multimc

L1034[12:49:19] <gamax92> same

L1035[12:49:19] * Elizabeth doesn't use the vanilla launcher so no

L1036[12:49:20] <sugoi> gamax92: it does now

L1037[12:49:30] <gamax92> I use multimc

L1038[12:49:51] <sugoi> some reviews show that the jre bundled with minecraft runs faster

L1039[12:50:08] <sugoi> than stock jre 8 40

L1040[12:50:16] <gamax92> do they also show proof or explanation?

L1041[12:50:29] <sugoi> i spent about 10 seconds skimming headlines

L1042[12:50:40] <sugoi> it was more of a "I'll look into this later"

L1043[12:50:44] <Inari> java ships with minecraft Kappa

L1044[12:51:02] <gamax92> it does, http://java.com/minecraft

L1045[12:51:14] <Inari> lol

L1046[12:51:29] <sugoi> what is mc kappa?

L1047[12:51:56] <gamax92> MinotaurCraft

L1048[12:52:37] <gamax92> the new entity that mod brings was modeled after our very own minotaur

L1049[12:52:38] <Vexatos> gamax92, 1cm of metal-supported glass is a lot harder to shatter than you'd think

L1050[12:52:46] <gamax92> Vexatos: you didn't say metal supported

L1051[12:52:59] <gamax92> Vexatos: also DFPWM steaming cards when?

L1052[12:53:01] <Vexatos> Well certainly it doesn't stand on glass.

L1053[12:53:03] <sugoi> i have a glass desk as well

L1054[12:53:43] <Vexatos> >http://java.com/minecraft

L1055[12:53:43] <Vexatos> wat

L1056[12:53:44] <Vexatos> ;_;

L1057[12:54:00] <Vexatos> that's better than downloadmoreram.com

L1058[12:54:00] <Vexatos> D:

L1059[12:54:13] * Temia would be the cutest mob. owo

L1060[12:54:14] <Temia> Like

L1061[12:54:19] <Temia> Move over, golems

L1062[12:54:24] <Temia> Move over, GOG

L1063[12:54:43] <Temia> (especially move over GOG, you frickin' MGE-loving wankfest)

L1064[12:54:49] <gamax92> o.o

L1065[12:54:52] <gamax92> that escalated quickly

L1066[12:54:59] <Temia> I HATE THE MGE.

L1067[12:54:59] <Temia> D:

L1068[12:55:15] <sugoi> Vexatos: did you follow the link, it's just a info page about mc on java.com

L1069[12:55:23] <Vexatos> I know

L1070[12:55:46] <sugoi> i'm sure with the millions of 10-14 year olds mad about "java breaking their minecraft games", java.com had had enough complaints

L1071[12:55:47] <Vexatos> Temia, doesn't GOG add minotaurs? :P

L1072[12:55:57] <Temia> Yes but they're the MGE kind.

L1073[12:56:03] <vifino> Good old Golems?

L1074[12:56:07] <Temia> And I'm cuter.

L1075[12:56:08] <Temia> No.

L1076[12:56:11] <Temia> Grimoire of Gaia.

L1077[12:56:26] <vifino> Same thing.

L1078[12:56:32] <Temia> Not really.

L1079[12:56:38] <vifino> .-.

L1080[12:56:42] <Temia> Sure there are a couple of golems in it

L1081[12:56:51] <Temia> But that mod is pretty much everything trying to kill you

L1082[12:57:19] <Vexatos> GOG can be summarized in one word: JAOWEOUTXNA

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L1084[12:58:12] <gamax92> asie: DFPWM Streaming card?

L1085[12:58:26] <Vexatos> (Come on, somebody please get the reference D:)

L1086[12:58:44] <gamax92> Vexatos: maybe if you respond to my question I'll get the reference

L1087[12:58:56] <Vexatos> gamax92, no

L1088[12:59:02] <gamax92> yes

L1089[12:59:07] <Vexatos> >_>

L1090[12:59:33] <Vexatos> mDiyo's let's play was really neat :P

L1091[12:59:42] <gamax92> who?

L1092[12:59:52] <Vexatos> mDiyo, guy who made TConstruct and Natura

L1093[12:59:55] <Vexatos> and Infitools

L1094[13:00:00] <gamax92> made what now?

L1095[13:00:03] <Vexatos> D;

L1096[13:00:03] <gamax92> never heard of them

L1097[13:00:29] <Vexatos> Temia, https://youtu.be/jKYqk7v49Aw?t=6m watch 6:00-8:00 <3

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L1099[13:03:47] <Temia> ahh

L1100[13:03:59] <Temia> pretty much

L1101[13:04:21] <Temia> Even outside of the MGE stuff, GoG has some serious jerk mobs like the bone knight

L1102[13:04:30] <gamax92> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLGezFX4qCs

L1103[13:04:32] <MichiBot> gamax92: Walking Animation | length: 16s | Likes: 55 Dislikes: 0 Views: 812 | by mDiyo

L1104[13:04:43] <gamax92> ohai michibutt

L1105[13:05:44] <Mimiru> Oh hai Gaymax

L1106[13:05:57] <Alissa> gaymax69, Mimiru.

L1107[13:06:11] <Mimiru> fairnuff

L1108[13:06:19] <gamax92> Bitchiru

L1109[13:06:35] <Mimiru> Flattery will get you nowhere.

L1110[13:06:46] <gamax92> dammit

L1111[13:07:13] <Mimiru> ^_^

L1112[13:07:25] <Mimiru> Alas, I must return to my place of employment

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L1114[13:20:46] <Kubuxu> Is reddit also 503 for you?

L1115[13:23:18] <gamax92> no

L1116[13:27:50] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, uuuh suggestion for a texture?

L1117[13:28:07] <Vexatos> I'm uploading one right now but.... it's.... too plain imo

L1118[13:28:11] <Kubuxu> You have how many pixels left :P

L1119[13:28:14] <Kubuxu> ?

L1120[13:28:16] <Vexatos> you'll see yourself in a sec

L1121[13:28:20] <Vexatos> the item texture

L1122[13:28:28] <Kubuxu> Ahh

L1123[13:29:23] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, http://gfycat.com/NippyWastefulGarpike

L1124[13:29:43] <Vexatos> the 3rd thing in the rack is what it looks like when off

L1125[13:30:09] <Vexatos> I don't really like the texture but I barely have anything to put anywhere

L1126[13:30:11] <Vexatos> since, well

L1127[13:30:18] <Vexatos> it's just an LED board >_>

L1128[13:30:50] <Kubuxu> Hmm I was thinking about having icon in L shape as it is just LEDs so you don't need that much of a board

L1129[13:31:12] <Vexatos> well that would mean I'd have to change the renderer itself though

L1130[13:31:19] <Vexatos> since it renders as a full cuboid in the rack

L1131[13:31:26] <Vexatos> like everything else

L1132[13:31:39] <Kubuxu> Is is visible at all?

L1133[13:31:48] <Vexatos> if there is nothing above or below, sure

L1134[13:32:17] <Kubuxu> You have to really just change texture of top and bottom

L1135[13:32:22] <Vexatos> so I just made it a controller and a bunch of wires on the texture :/

L1136[13:32:23] <Kubuxu> as you won't see it from back

L1137[13:32:44] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, I would have to remove the entire renderer

L1138[13:32:47] <gamax92> Vexatos: just use a maze generator to make textures

L1139[13:32:48] <Vexatos> I am not even sure if that's possible

L1140[13:33:04] <Vexatos> gamax92, I think my hand-drawn wires are random enough >_>

L1141[13:33:05] <Kubuxu> Can you have custom texture of rendered box?

L1142[13:33:12] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, yes, but why would I

L1143[13:33:16] <Vexatos> My issue is the item texture

L1144[13:33:18] <Vexatos> not the rack one

L1145[13:33:21] <Vexatos> the rack one is done

L1146[13:33:23] <Vexatos> and fine

L1147[13:33:54] <Vexatos> and I'll be able to test once Sangar tells me why my server doesn't have access to this thing

L1148[13:34:10] <Kubuxu> You said that problem of making item L shaped is that you would have to change rendering of the rack

L1149[13:34:24] <Vexatos> yes, Sangar draws a cuboid

L1150[13:34:40] <Vexatos> It's not me doing that

L1151[13:34:46] <Vexatos> he draws a cuboid for any mountable

L1152[13:34:46] <Kubuxu> but it is enough to change the texture of rack's cuboid to include transparent regions

L1153[13:34:57] <Vexatos> I cannot change the texture

L1154[13:35:01] <Vexatos> I could just add an overlay texture

L1155[13:35:02] <Kubuxu> Oh. Ok

L1156[13:35:08] <Kubuxu> Nah, don't bother

L1157[13:35:16] <Vexatos> that's what I mean

L1158[13:35:21] <Vexatos> hence why it's just a bunch of wires

L1159[13:35:31] <Vexatos> it'll obviously be pretty cheap

L1160[13:35:37] <Vexatos> I wonder what it'd be crafted with

L1161[13:35:54] <Kubuxu> Colorful lamp + some componetns

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L1163[13:36:58] <Vexatos> Yea, it's definitely a tier 1 thinger

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L1172[13:59:16] <sugoi> Vexatos: a part from what you dont want in openos (i.e. less/insufficient free memory :D) what would you like added?

L1173[13:59:41] <Vexatos> nothing

L1174[13:59:44] <Vexatos> OpenOS is fine as it is

L1175[13:59:52] <Vexatos> for everything else, we have two package managers

L1176[14:05:24] <sugoi> do you have an interest in the correctness of the system?

L1177[14:05:47] <sugoi> my question was not just (e.g.) "what is missing in /bin ?"

L1178[14:05:54] <Kubuxu> sugoi: but what is wrong in your opinion?

L1179[14:07:27] <sugoi> Kubuxu: piping stdout stderr, cli parsing, env vars (they dont get unset correctly between shells and processes)

L1180[14:07:39] <sugoi> some other things, i dont have a list ready to fully answer

L1181[14:08:06] <Kubuxu> env vars should follow into process

L1182[14:08:21] <sugoi> i know how they should work, openos has bugs with this model

L1183[14:08:59] <Kubuxu> then report them and/or fix them

L1184[14:09:03] <sugoi> i am

L1185[14:09:32] <sugoi> it's been my #1 hobby project for some time

L1186[14:10:57] <Vexatos> sugoi, If you want correctness, use plan9k

L1187[14:11:02] <Vexatos> simple as that

L1188[14:13:39] <Vexatos> Sangar, suggestion: Multi-line tooltips for ![]() in manual

L1189[14:17:51] <gamax92> Vexatos: plan9k is kinda shitty though

L1190[14:18:14] <Vexatos> Magik6k ^

L1191[14:18:35] <Magik6k> qq

L1192[14:19:38] <Magik6k> actually, avrything what sugoi said is warking in plan9k

L1193[14:20:04] <gamax92> Magik6k: are you drunk?

L1194[14:20:18] <Magik6k> nah, can't keyboard

L1195[14:20:23] <gamax92> okay

L1196[14:20:46] <Magik6k> +this kbd: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/KB_Dvorak_Left.svg/2000px-KB_Dvorak_Left.svg.png

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L1199[14:21:22] <Magik6k> *this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg/2000px-KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg.png

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L1201[14:25:04] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, what should the maintenance cost be

L1202[14:25:09] <Vexatos> I'd say 2 RF for changing colour

L1203[14:25:17] <Vexatos> and how much per tick and lamp for keeping it active?

L1204[14:25:31] <Kubuxu> 1RF?

L1205[14:25:39] <Kubuxu> /t

L1206[14:25:53] <Vexatos> It needs to be per tick and lamp

L1207[14:25:53] <Vexatos> sooo

L1208[14:25:55] <Magik6k> I'd say 1rf/ per lit panel

L1209[14:25:57] <Vexatos> 0.2 RF?

L1210[14:26:08] <Vexatos> since there are 5 lamps

L1211[14:26:15] <Vexatos> so it'd use 1 RF if all are on

L1212[14:26:18] <Vexatos> i.e. 0.1 OC unit

L1213[14:26:25] <Vexatos> per tick

L1214[14:26:27] <Kubuxu> Works for me

L1215[14:26:29] <Vexatos> so 2 OC per second

L1216[14:26:33] <Vexatos> or 20 RF

L1217[14:26:42] <Vexatos> not sure if that's too much or too little

L1218[14:26:54] <Kubuxu> It is good IMHO

L1219[14:26:55] <Magik6k> Flood lights use 1 RF/t

L1220[14:27:10] <Kubuxu> it should cost something, but almost nothing

L1221[14:28:00] <Vexatos> yea, because then I can make it go all off on power loss

L1222[14:28:04] <Vexatos> without having to code anything mad

L1223[14:28:18] <Vexatos> I can just "did you consume power? no? ok, turn off"

L1224[14:28:22] <Vexatos> super simple this way

L1225[14:28:59] <Vexatos> Ok, done

L1226[14:29:01] <Vexatos> entire thing

L1227[14:29:02] <Vexatos> all done

L1228[14:29:10] <Vexatos> only one thing: It doesn't work

L1229[14:29:11] <Vexatos> at all

L1230[14:29:22] <Vexatos> The component isn't recognized by connected servers

L1231[14:29:24] <Kubuxu> Thanks Vexatos :D

L1232[14:29:26] <Vexatos> and I have no idea why

L1233[14:29:32] <Kubuxu> Hehhehe

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L1235[14:31:10] <Vexatos> http://git.io/vuVCJ

L1236[14:31:15] <Vexatos> you're free to tell me what's wrong

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L1243[15:04:00] * vifino yawns and falls asleep on Elizabeth

L1244[15:04:08] * Elizabeth pets vifino

L1245[15:04:15] * vifino purrs

L1246[15:09:01] <Inari> Vexatos: whys it called Driver ;-;

L1247[15:09:26] <Vexatos> Inari, because everything in OC is a driver

L1248[15:09:33] <Inari> not components? D:

L1249[15:10:00] <Vexatos> Basically, the item is the driver

L1250[15:10:11] <Vexatos> and it adds an environment

L1251[15:10:12] <Inari> hmm i prefer oc's internal way i guess haha

L1252[15:10:17] <Vexatos> it's like item and itemstack

L1253[15:10:23] <Vexatos> This is OC's internal way

L1254[15:10:32] <Vexatos> just that OC has most of it abstracted internally using traits

L1255[15:10:38] <Inari> OC internal seems to separate between what has the functions and what creates the environment

L1256[15:10:40] <Vexatos> but there is virtually no difference otherwise

L1257[15:10:49] <Vexatos> Inari, exactly

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L1259[15:11:02] <Vexatos> the class I linked there is the Environment

L1260[15:11:17] <Inari> but the driverm akes it, isnt it

L1261[15:11:21] <Inari> im confused

L1262[15:11:45] <Vexatos> I would not want to call my items Drivers

L1263[15:11:53] <Vexatos> so I call the ManagedEnvironments drivers instead

L1264[15:11:59] <Vexatos> since Environment is an ugly word for a name

L1265[15:12:01] <Inari> heh :P

L1266[15:12:19] <Inari> well in OC therse the item, the driver and the component

L1267[15:12:20] <Vexatos> when I use actual drivers, I do it differently

L1268[15:12:23] <Inari> the component being the environment

L1269[15:12:31] <Inari> or maybe its different fro rack mountables

L1270[15:12:32] <Inari> no clue :P

L1271[15:12:39] <Vexatos> https://gist.github.com/Vexatos/d9bad498ecce257de8b4

L1272[15:12:46] <Vexatos> this is my intelliJ template for actual mod drivers

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L1283[15:31:25] <gamax92> www.

L1284[15:39:08] <Kodos> rotten

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L1288[15:52:34] <malcom2073> Are two monitors side by side considered two components?

L1289[15:54:26] <Inari> i dont think so?

L1290[15:54:26] <Kodos> Are they dyed separate colors, or are you doing a 2x1 multiblock scren

L1291[15:54:34] <Inari> wait wait

L1292[15:54:37] <Inari> you can dye monitors?

L1293[15:54:39] <malcom2073> It's a 2x1 screen

L1294[15:54:41] <Kodos> And cases

L1295[15:54:45] <Inari> omg

L1296[15:54:47] <Kodos> Then no, one screen component

L1297[15:54:49] <Inari> why didnt anyone tell me

L1298[15:54:49] <Inari> :P

L1299[15:55:11] <malcom2073> Hmm odd. Sometimes when loading, my PC won't load, says too many components (17/16), but it boots when I hit the power button (at 16/16)

L1300[15:55:34] <malcom2073> Inari: Didn't you watch the mod tutorial on youtube? They go over that :P

L1301[15:55:40] <Kodos> That's because it takes a second for the multiblock to form, so that can happen

L1302[15:55:53] <Inari> why would i watch that

L1303[15:55:53] <Inari> :p

L1304[15:55:56] <malcom2073> Kodos: Is there a good way to prevent that, other than keeping a 1 component buffer?

L1305[15:56:37] <Kodos> Honestly? If you're running at 16/16, you may look into using a server instead of a computer

L1306[15:57:05] <malcom2073> Heh, probably a good idea

L1307[15:57:29] <malcom2073> I need more anyway

L1308[15:59:47] <Inari> sounds like a bug that should be fixed though xP

L1309[16:00:27] <Kodos> It's not a bug though

L1310[16:00:48] <Kodos> Screens are multiblock when there's more than one, and when you first load into MC, afaik most multiblocks are unformed for a split second

L1311[16:01:01] <Kodos> Which is what's breaking his setup

L1312[16:01:07] <Inari> thats a bug though (that it breaks the component limit by that)

L1313[16:01:53] <Kodos> What solution do you propose that would fix it?

L1314[16:02:38] <Inari> dunno, wait till you know if its a joined or a separate monitor?

L1315[16:03:39] <malcom2073> Or an option to auto-boot a computer?

L1316[16:03:51] <malcom2073> If I could auto-start/autorun, it'd be a non issue

L1317[16:04:25] <Inari> you could do that with a wake setting i believe, not sure

L1318[16:04:40] <Kodos> wake on redstone or network message

L1319[16:08:32] <Elizabeth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=695yTVlq4i0 i love this guy's commentary

L1320[16:08:33] <MichiBot> Elizabeth: Fallout 4 Sanctuary Settlement #1 - Base Building Timelapse - Fallout 4 Settlement Building [PC] | length: 12m 25s | Likes: 4327 Dislikes: 224 Views: 214883 | by Petard

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L1322[16:15:18] <Alex-Learning> http://strawpoll.me/6468750

L1323[16:15:49] <CompanionCube> might it be worth filing an issue on github for to see if anything could be done?

L1324[16:18:03] <malcom2073> Elizabeth +1, commentary is awesome

L1325[16:24:00] <Kodos> https://twitter.com/SangarWasTaken/status/684383785320841216 So uhh

L1326[16:24:02] <MichiBot> Tue Jan 05 08:39:44 CST 2016 @SangarWasTaken: Welp, @asiekierka made me do it.

L1327[16:28:00] <asie> Kodos: viewports

L1328[16:28:44] <Kodos> Ah

L1329[16:29:16] <Kodos> I'm guessing he's got all the frames in the offscreen area, and using gpu.copy?

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L1334[16:42:22] <Kodos> Okay, now that my internet is done being a shitter

L1335[16:48:54] <_habnabit> actually, related to multiblock screens, is it intentional that WAILA reports the uuid of each screen individually instead of the uuid of the whole multiblock screen?

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L1337[16:50:19] <Kodos> Ehh, probably not, but those UUIDs don't matter, only the one closest to the computer iirc

L1338[16:50:26] <Kodos> Whichever one the screen component reports

L1339[16:51:07] <gamax92> all of the screens have their own uuid's yes, but all of them except one have visibility of None to the computer

L1340[16:54:18] <_habnabit> iirc the screen component reports a uuid that isn't used by any individual screen

L1341[16:54:25] <_habnabit> i.e. it's a new uuid generated for the multiblock thing

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<Mimiru> So, "new" WD 1.5 TB hdd, 133 bad sectors overnight. I say "new" cause it was bought 5 years ago, and put on a shelf, and never used...

L1364[18:23:23]

<Mimiru> opened it yesterday to use, installed windows, rebooted this morning and it wouldn't boot.

L1365[18:27:37] <gamax92> :(

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L1367[18:27:49] <gamax92> that sucks ...

L1368[18:29:13]

<Mimiru> 133 Relocated sectors o_O

L1369[18:37:00] <CompanionCube> does it pass SMART?

L1370[18:38:00]

<Mimiru> lolno

L1371[18:38:22] <CompanionCube> at least you found it was dead soon

L1372[18:38:31] <CompanionCube> rather than after you had transferred all the datas

L1373[18:38:41]

<Mimiru> Yeah, it was about to go out to payroll

L1374[18:39:23]

<Mimiru> It would have replaced the only payroll computer they have

L1375[18:39:29]

<Mimiru> so.. no checks \o/

L1376[18:39:30]

<Mimiru> lol

L1377[18:41:21] <CompanionCube> was a blessing in disguise then

L1378[18:41:33] <CompanionCube> although that's just a timebomb waiting to happen

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<Mimiru> The current payroll computer is a P4, with 1.5 GB ram installed, the computer only sees 1 GB

L1381[18:42:52]

<Mimiru> it's constantly at 75-100% CPU usage

L1382[18:42:56]

<Mimiru> and 80+% RAM

L1383[18:50:05]

<Mimiru> But yeah: http://michi.pc-logix.com/CrystalDiskInfo_6.6.1_x64_2016-01-06_18-49-43.png

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L1399[22:52:42] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/Nm7Y2G4.png

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L1402[23:06:47] <Xal> what is that image?

L1403[23:08:02] <Izaya> it's a minimal (but more powerful than T20) CPU architecture I was working on

L1404[23:08:09] <Izaya> I don't have any code but I needed a specification

L1405[23:08:57] <Xal> Huh, cool! You should try writing a transistor-level emulator of a simple CPU sometime, it's fun

L1406[23:09:26] <Izaya> I tried a logic gate simulator once.

L1407[23:09:33] <Xal> I never wrote visualisation module, but it was cool to step through programs then probe the state of various CMOS devices in the chip

L1408[23:09:33] <Izaya> Shot myself in the foot with timings though.

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L1411[23:18:00] <Izaya> http://lain.shadowkat.science/~izaya/desktop-up.jpg meanwhile

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