OCLogs: 2016-01-04.log

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L6[00:09:10] <dangranos> huh

L7[00:09:15] <dangranos> no vexatos?

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L23[00:10:50] <dangranos> esper is ded

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L63[02:50:06] * dangranos falls on floor from poke

L64[02:50:29] <dangranos> Vexatos: esper seems stable enough?

L65[02:50:51] <dangranos> So, i created the repo..

L66[02:50:54] * vifino stretches

L67[02:50:58] <vifino> Morning everyone.

L68[02:51:04] <dangranos> Hi vifino!

L69[02:51:16] <vifino> Hello, dangranos.

L70[02:52:13] <Vexatos> dangranos, http://git.io/vus5Y

L71[02:52:20] <Vexatos> glhf with any file > ram

L72[02:52:34] <vifino> Vexatoast!

L73[02:53:02] <dangranos> um?

L74[02:53:28] <dangranos> hm..

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L76[02:54:49] <Wolf480pl> Is there going to be a low-level network API, like there is low-level block device API?

L77[02:55:45] <dangranos> Wolf480pl: what?

L78[02:56:53] <Izaya> Evening vifino

L79[02:57:50] <vifino> How's things, Izaya?

L80[02:58:08] <Izaya> Pretty good, reinstalling my laptop, even more paranoid than last time

L81[02:58:21] <Izaya> 19/10 instead of 11/10

L82[02:58:39] <vifino> Haha.

L83[02:58:49] <vifino> Let me guess, encryption everywhere?

L84[02:58:57] <Izaya> Everything.

L85[02:59:01] <Izaya> Deniable encryption, even.

L86[02:59:02] <vifino> Nice.

L87[02:59:14] <Izaya> It won't even get to the BIOS without a password now.

L88[02:59:30] <vifino> Yeah, my old laptop has that too.

L89[02:59:53] <vifino> I never cared about full encryption, I rather want the performance.

L90[02:59:55] <vifino> \o/

L91[03:00:23] <vifino> Also, >mfw standing up at 8:30

L92[03:00:49] <vifino> I used to be awake until that point, and one day later I wake up at that time?

L93[03:01:23] <Wolf480pl> dangranos, there's that Drive API which allows you to access disks and floppies on sector-level, now it'd be cool to have some kind of low-level network access, without automatically-assigned addresses/UUIDs

L94[03:02:11] <dangranos> ...

L95[03:02:13] <dangranos> man

L96[03:02:20] <dangranos> UUIDs are basically mac addresses

L97[03:02:42] <dangranos> it's quite lowlevel

L98[03:02:47] <vifino> Hrrm.

L99[03:02:56] <vifino> I think I'll switch to wayland sooner or later.

L100[03:03:03] <Wolf480pl> dangranos, you can spoof mac addresses IRL

L101[03:03:14] <Wolf480pl> also, promiscious mode is a thing

L102[03:03:15] <Wolf480pl> IRL

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L104[03:03:22] <vifino> Wayland + Weston + Sway + XWayland.

L105[03:03:32] <vifino> But, that means no awesome for me.

L106[03:03:36] <vifino> :(

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L108[03:03:37] <dangranos> vifino: too much Ws

L109[03:03:56] <vifino> dangranos: Shush with you.

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L111[03:05:31] <vifino> >~/code/backdoor.sh

L112[03:05:49] <Izaya> vifino, unfortunately I need a copy of Windows on my laptop

L113[03:05:51] <vifino> I... what.

L114[03:05:54] <Izaya> but oh well veracrypt for it

L115[03:05:59] <vifino> Izaya: RIP you.

L116[03:06:29] <Izaya> can I put Program Files in an ecrypted partition?

L117[03:06:46] <vifino> You aren't asking me, are you?

L118[03:06:53] <Wolf480pl> Izaya, why you no put whole Windows in a KVM vm?

L119[03:06:56] <dangranos> ouch

L120[03:07:00] <Izaya> I'm asking the channel

L121[03:07:05] <Izaya> Wolf480pl, well mainly video performance

L122[03:07:16] <Izaya> one of the reasons I need Windows on my laptop is so I can host multiplayer games

L123[03:07:17] <dangranos> cursor on remote terminal icon and in screen itself.. they are completely out of sync :|

L124[03:07:52] <dangranos> huh, there is du

L125[03:07:55] <vifino> ;o my android

L126[03:07:57] <vifino> .-.

L127[03:08:02] <dangranos> even has -h option..

L128[03:08:03] <vifino> ;o my android's two ssh servers are both still up

L129[03:08:20] <vifino> Thy shalt be blesseth, android.

L130[03:09:13] <vifino> Hmm.

L131[03:09:42] <vifino> Theoretically, I can completely move my alpine install's /usr to /usr, since android doesn't have that.

L132[03:10:00] <Izaya> android has /system doesn't it?

L133[03:10:05] <vifino> Yes.

L134[03:10:36] <Izaya> I should like

L135[03:10:45] <Izaya> install FoxyProxy on the FF on the school debian lab

L136[03:10:53] <Izaya> and then scrape the config file for passwords

L137[03:12:02] <dangranos> XD

L138[03:12:22] <dangranos> *log?

L139[03:12:42] <Izaya> well I could do that too

L140[03:13:00] <dangranos> Um, what those wires in rack do? ._.

L141[03:14:41] <dangranos> specifically this small little wire

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L143[03:15:06] <Izaya> 64GB SSD is $55, 128GB SSD is $62, why is 240GB SSD $105 instead of $69?

L144[03:15:49] <vifino> Because.

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L146[03:16:42] <Izaya> Also why are mPCIe SSDs so much more expensive? >.<

L147[03:16:51] <vifino> Because speeeeeeeed.

L148[03:16:54] <Izaya> not sure if my laptop would support booting from one though

L149[03:17:22] <vifino> As long as it is not nvme, it should.

L150[03:17:23] <Vexatos> Izaya, why are you so paranoid

L151[03:17:35] <Izaya> Vexatos, why are you not?

L152[03:18:22] <Izaya> also note to self use ethernet to transfer 150GB of data, not wifi

L153[03:18:55] <vifino> I made an irc printer.

L154[03:19:01] <vifino> Time to make an irc scanner.

L155[03:20:02] <dangranos> huh?

L156[03:21:04] <Izaya> Vexatos, at current my laptop dual-boots Arch and Windows. Windows uses veracrypt to encrypt all the actual data, while the linux uses dm-crypt

L157[03:21:16] <Izaya> my /boot is unfortunately not encrypted but I'll get to that soon

L158[03:21:23] <Izaya> GRUB supports encryption for /boot

L159[03:21:38] <Izaya> I also want to try to actually encrypt the whole Windows system

L160[03:21:41] <Izaya> but at current

L161[03:21:44] <Izaya> that is not enough

L162[03:23:41] <vifino> Woooot.

L163[03:23:47] <vifino> I unbroke php on tty.sh!11111

L164[03:23:54] <vifino> bored.cf works again!

L165[03:23:55] <vifino> Yay!

L166[03:23:56] <Izaya> evidently not

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L168[03:26:17] <Izaya> ETA on transfer: too long

L169[03:26:54] <vifino> lol

L170[03:28:27] <Izaya> mind you I'm getting 15MB/s over 10/100

L171[03:28:48] <vifino> o_O where is the znc add user button

L172[03:28:55] <vifino> ...

L173[03:28:57] <vifino> I am stupid.

L174[03:33:48] * dangranos pokes Vexatos

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L176[03:34:13] <dangranos> computer with T2 memory

L177[03:34:26] <dangranos> seems to work fine?

L178[03:34:45] <dangranos> it only grabs 8KB at once

L179[03:35:01] <Inari> vifino: i stll dont get your weird obsession with the concept of an "irc printer"

L180[03:35:12] <dangranos> What is an "irc printer"?

L181[03:35:19] <dangranos> printer that works trough IRC?

L182[03:35:27] <vifino> "weird obsession"

L183[03:35:29] <dangranos> or that prints the IRC (somehow)?

L184[03:35:42] <vifino> dangranos: A printer that prints to irc.

L185[03:35:51] <Izaya> how am I getting 15MB/s over 10/100?

L186[03:35:55] <vifino> dangranos: https://github.com/vifino/ircprinter

L187[03:35:58] <Inari> apparently just something that takes the thing, uploads it somewhere and then links that to irc

L188[03:35:58] <Inari> :P

L189[03:36:18] <dangranos> Vexatos: nope, no OOM

L190[03:36:37] <Izaya> does NFS do compression?

L191[03:37:19] <Vexatos> mhm

L192[03:37:28] <dangranos> by default?

L193[03:37:52] <Izaya> well I specified no extra options

L194[03:38:01] <Izaya> just a soft mount

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L196[03:58:17] <Antheus> Good morning everyone

L197[03:58:26] <Izaya> Evening Antheus

L198[03:58:32] <Antheus> :P

L199[03:58:45] <Antheus> IDK why but I woke up at 3:30 AM on a school day

L200[03:58:54] <Izaya> seems like a convenient time to wake up

L201[03:58:58] <Izaya> plenty of time to get ready

L202[03:59:00] <Elizabeth> Morning

L203[03:59:05] <Antheus> and play some games^

L204[03:59:12] <Izaya> well that too

L205[03:59:22] <Antheus> I have to leave at 6:30 or 7:30

L206[03:59:32] <Izaya> that's fucking terrible

L207[03:59:35] <Izaya> the 6:30 one

L208[03:59:40] <Izaya> I have to leave at 7:30 but

L209[03:59:51] <Izaya> not for another 2-3 weeks :D

L210[04:00:02] <Antheus> Izaya, It depends on when my parents have to go to work

L211[04:00:12] <Antheus> If my dad works, I have to leave at 6:30

L212[04:00:24] <Antheus> if my dad doesn't work or my mom has the day off, 7:30

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L215[04:04:57] <vifino> Elizabeth! \o/

L216[04:05:01] * vifino snuggles Elizabeth

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L219[04:06:22] <Antheus> Vexatos, We're sorry; you have reached a human that has been disconnected or is no longer in service. If you feel you have reached this recording in error, please check the human and try your poke again.

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L230[04:52:06] <Izaya> Grub can read btrfs, right?

L231[04:58:05] <vifino> Yes.

L232[04:58:16] <Turtle> Welp, public transit jesus did not want me to attent lectures.

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L234[05:03:28] <vifino> Can I write SANE backends using bash? o.O

L235[05:07:19] <Turtle> Can: Yes, Should: Maybe noooo

L236[05:08:07] <vifino> Turtle: I wrote my irc printer in bash. It works, get out.

L237[05:08:36] <vifino> I may end up converting it to perl or something.

L238[05:09:33] <Izaya> and you're complaining about bash being insane

L239[05:09:43] <vifino> When?

L240[05:09:54] <Izaya> wait

L241[05:10:01] <Izaya> something tells me that was misread

L242[05:10:16] <vifino> Yeah.

L243[05:10:23] <vifino> SANE is the scanner thing.

L244[05:10:53] <vifino> I think Turtle didn't know that either.

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L246[05:15:49] <dangranos> https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=well%20that%20escalated%20quickly

L247[05:15:56] <dangranos> self-describing

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L249[05:20:35] <Izaya> that's an incredibly satisfying graph

L250[05:22:45] <dangranos> you could say that.. it escalated quickly

L251[05:22:59] <vifino> https://puu.sh/mj9uH/2b8989ec75.png

L252[05:23:34] <dangranos> ...

L253[05:23:50] <dangranos> why is that even a thing?

L254[05:23:51] <Skye> you can print to an IRC channel?

L255[05:23:58] <vifino> I can.

L256[05:24:02] <vifino> Also, "In it the unix printing software LPR was used to queue mp3 files into a playlist on a server. "

L257[05:24:10] <vifino> Someone is as insane as I am! :D

L258[05:24:13] <dangranos> so.. will it print something like "this is a picture of a cat sitting in a bowl"?

L259[05:24:40] <vifino> Skye, dangranos: Join #V and see for yourself.

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L263[05:27:17] <vifino> Skye: Hurry up.

L264[05:27:52] <Skye> vifino, is it #V on espernet?

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L266[05:28:13] <vifino> Skye: Yes.

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L268[05:29:47] <Antheus> Nothing like a warm cup of coffee in the morning :3

L269[05:34:45] <Izaya> well there's actually a few things like a warm cup of coffee in the morning

L270[05:34:59] <Izaya> for example, a warm cup of hot chocolate or mocha or however you spell it

L271[05:35:05] <Izaya> a hot or cold up of coffee also

L272[05:35:08] <Izaya> as opposed to warm

L273[05:39:19] <Inari> a hot cup of tea

L274[05:39:20] <Inari> ;9

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L276[05:39:56] <Izaya> screw tea

L277[05:40:29] <Antheus> yah screw tea

L278[05:40:51] <Antheus> I naturally want to dump it into a harbor of somesort on the east coast

L279[05:40:57] <Inari> lol

L280[05:41:09] <Vexatos> sooo guys, what is your opinion on https://github.com/asiekierka/Computronics/issues/168

L281[05:41:12] <Antheus> unless it's sweat iced tea

L282[05:41:12] <Vexatos> any ideas?

L283[05:41:53] <Antheus> um

L284[05:42:03] <Antheus> uuuummmm

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L286[05:42:10] <Izaya> add a confirm to it

L287[05:42:18] <Antheus> for k,v in pairs do print(table)

L288[05:42:20] <Antheus> err

L289[05:42:28] <Izaya> like 'are you fucking sure you want to write your shitty music to this beautiful tape?'

L290[05:42:39] <Antheus> ^

L291[05:42:47] <Izaya> and that can be their ctrl-alt-C

L292[05:42:53] <Temia> >sweat iced tea

L293[05:42:53] <Izaya> they can cancel it before it starts

L294[05:42:59] <Antheus> Temia, shut up

L295[05:42:59] <Temia> >___>

L296[05:43:03] <Temia> NOPE

L297[05:43:05] <Inari> Vexatos: program source?

L298[05:43:08] <Antheus> s/sweat/sweet

L299[05:43:12] <Temia> Totally thinking terrible things now

L300[05:43:12] <Vexatos> but why would you run a "tape write <extremelylongstuff --withsomeoptions" and not be sure?

L301[05:43:14] <Temia> It's too late

L302[05:43:21] <Vexatos> Inari, https://github.com/asiekierka/Computronics/blob/master/src/main/resources/assets/computronics/lua/component/tape_drive/bin/tape.lua

L303[05:43:35] <Izaya> so I nested tmux

L304[05:43:36] <Antheus> Temia, gotta use those pits for something

L305[05:44:54] <Inari> Vexatos: just push/pull?

L306[05:45:04] <Vexatos> Inari, what?

L307[05:45:12] <Inari> push a signal

L308[05:45:16] <Inari> pull signals til you get the pushed one

L309[05:45:20] <Inari> i theres an interrupt, interrpt?

L310[05:45:20] <Inari> xD

L311[05:45:30] <Kubuxu> There is check for "was interrupted'

L312[05:45:37] <Kubuxu> you can just check that

L313[05:46:01] <Kubuxu> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/OpenOS/lib/event.lua#L216-L227

L314[05:46:03] <Kubuxu> Vexatos: ^^

L315[05:46:22] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, isn't that still pretty slow?

L316[05:46:51] <Kubuxu> It just checks if keys are pressed. It is for sure faster than os.sleep(0)

L317[05:47:22] <Vexatos> that is true

L318[05:47:33] <Kubuxu> If you did that once 3-5 seconds and if either of those os.sleep

L319[05:47:48] <Inari> oh, interrupt is just an openos thing? :P

L320[05:47:51] <Inari> i thought it was an OC thing

L321[05:48:11] <Kubuxu> It is openos thingy

L322[05:48:32] <Vexatos> but that is a component.getPrimary("keyboard") every single time

L323[05:48:36] <Vexatos> is that direct?

L324[05:48:51] <Inari> uh

L325[05:48:52] <Vexatos> oh wait, that's an OpenOS thing, no?

L326[05:49:19] <Vexatos> I just want to avoid sleeps and nondirect component access

L327[05:49:45] <Antheus> event.listen()?

L328[05:50:03] <Vexatos> event.listen() implies I have os.sleep somewhere

L329[05:50:20] <Wolf480pl> How do I list all packages availabie via mpt ?

L330[05:51:31] <Kubuxu> It is just getPrimary which is openos lib

L331[05:51:59] <Kubuxu> and keys are cached as keyboard posts events, but it might be not possible to get keyboard codes w/o sleeping

L332[05:52:15] <Kubuxu> So os.sleep once as 5 or 10 seconds might not be bad

L333[05:52:49] <Vexatos> yea not possible without os.sleep

L334[05:53:08] <Vexatos> put having to perss Ctrl+C for 5 seconds? Noone would think of that

L335[05:53:18] <Vexatos> and every 3 seconds would make sense but that is way too much

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L337[05:53:59] <Inari> uh

L338[05:54:11] <Inari> just use x to interrupt

L339[05:54:12] <Inari> and tell them taht

L340[05:54:13] <Inari> :P

L341[05:54:47] <Vexatos> that also means I need to os.sleep somewhere

L342[05:54:58] <Vexatos> keyboard cache doesn't update until I os.sleep

L343[05:55:21] <Inari> uh

L344[05:55:25] <Inari> you just pull the char events

L345[05:55:30] <Inari> well

L346[05:55:31] <Inari> signals

L347[05:55:57] <Vexatos> which would mean I'd have to event.listen for a keyboard event

L348[05:56:02] <Inari> no event api

L349[05:56:04] <Inari> no keybaord

L350[05:56:06] <Vexatos> which would mean I would have to os.sleep for that to be processed

L351[05:56:09] <Inari> just the actual signals :<

L352[05:56:21] <Vexatos> that would mean I would have to computer.pullSignal

L353[05:56:30] <Vexatos> which would completely block the program until anyone presses a key

L354[05:56:30] <Inari> yeah

L355[05:56:40] <Inari> except when you push or specify a timeout :D

L356[05:57:13] <Vexatos> Yea right

L357[05:57:15] <Vexatos> ehm

L358[05:57:17] <Vexatos> .....

L359[05:57:26] <Vexatos> do... do you know what we are talking about?

L360[05:57:43] <Inari> why? xD

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L362[05:58:17] <Kubuxu> which is same as sleeping

L363[05:58:24] <Inari> not directly

L364[05:59:06] <Inari> but yeah, of course you cant get any events without fetching them :P

L365[05:59:15] <Inari> well, signals

L366[06:00:55] <Inari> so you have to yield, not directly sleep

L367[06:01:02] <Inari> and the shortest yield probably means waiting a tick?

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L369[06:02:17] <Vexatos> the shortest yield is os.sleep(0)

L370[06:02:21] <Vexatos> which would still process every event handler

L371[06:03:04] <Inari> the shortest yield is a yield

L372[06:03:21] <Inari> via computer.pullSignal

L373[06:03:22] <Vexatos> that's not how it works

L374[06:05:08] <Inari> anyway, you dont get any shorter than just yielding anyway xD

L375[06:05:23] <Inari> so im not really sure what you'Rea sking o.o

L376[06:07:10] <Inari> if theres a way to hinder openos from processin gall the things if you yield?

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L378[06:07:39] <Vexatos> nope

L379[06:14:26] <asie> Sangar: MCMP will be released and on maven tomorrow

L380[06:14:36] <asie> same with charset 0.1.0

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L382[06:16:38] <Vexatos> Sangar, TIS-3D 1.0.0 when

L383[06:17:42] * vifino throws a SurfaceFlinger at ds84182

L384[06:21:19] * DeanIsaKitty flings a surface at vifino

L385[06:21:35] <vifino> ow. :<

L386[06:22:55] * vifino stares at DeanIsaKitty

L387[06:23:57] * DeanIsaKitty plusters up and hisses at vifino while staring him down

L388[06:24:08] <vifino> :<

L389[06:24:28] <Skye> uhm

L390[06:24:43] * Skye looks at DeanIsaKitty and vifino

L391[06:24:47] <Skye> D:

L392[06:24:56] * vifino stares at Skye with killer eyes

L393[06:24:57] * Izaya whispers to Skye "Just leave them be"

L394[06:25:13] <Izaya> something something not our business

L395[06:25:28] * vifino gives Izaya a virtual cookie

L396[06:25:41] * Izaya noms it before Elizabeth can steal it

L397[06:25:48] * Skye backs away

L398[06:26:06] <vifino> Elizabeth already got a ton of cookies from me, don't worry.

L399[06:26:09] <Elizabeth> :<

L400[06:26:27] <vifino> You want more, don't you, Elizabeth?

L401[06:26:36] * vifino gives Elizabeth a few more cookies

L402[06:26:40] * Elizabeth noms

L403[06:26:44] <Elizabeth> :3

L404[06:26:49] <vifino> :3

L405[06:27:04] <Izaya> so apparently 75GB should take about 1.8 hours to transfer

L406[06:27:09] <Izaya> it's taken at least 2

L407[06:27:31] <DeanIsaKitty> something something windows transfer dialogue?

L408[06:27:41] <Izaya> this is using rsync

L409[06:28:20] <DeanIsaKitty> local-local or over a network?

L410[06:28:39] <Izaya> uh, local-nfs

L411[06:28:43] * vifino sighs

L412[06:28:47] * vifino walks up to DeanIsaKitty and hugs

L413[06:28:53] <DeanIsaKitty> And then you worry about 10% longer transfer? :D

L414[06:29:04] <Izaya> eh I guess

L415[06:29:09] * DeanIsaKitty guts vifino, reassembles him and hugs

L416[06:29:19] <Izaya> still, I'm getting 15MB/s over 10/100 at some points

L417[06:29:47] <DeanIsaKitty> 120 Mbit/s over a 100 Mbit Network card?

L418[06:29:49] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: My guts are fine, thank you. >.<

L419[06:30:08] <Izaya> I'm thinking NFS is doing compression magic

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L421[06:30:11] <DeanIsaKitty> Dude, most 1000 cards manage waaaay more. sometimes even up to 8 Gbit/s

L422[06:30:21] <reinei> o/

L423[06:30:25] <DeanIsaKitty> \o

L424[06:30:28] <Izaya> I have been lied to.

L425[06:30:31] <Izaya> D:

L426[06:30:48] <Izaya> so why are my 10/100 cards not doing like 150Mbps?

L427[06:30:54] <DeanIsaKitty> Izaya: Network card caps are soft ones. But firmware blobs make it hard to remove them.

L428[06:31:01] <Izaya> oh

L429[06:31:08] <Izaya> that figures

L430[06:31:18] <Izaya> IT FINISHED :D

L431[06:31:23] <DeanIsaKitty> But some freaks do it. I talked to a guy who had his network card running at 10 Gbit/s for a long time w/o issues.

L432[06:31:34] <Elizabeth> also depends on the switches and what packet transfer speed they have

L433[06:31:56] <DeanIsaKitty> Elizabeth: 140 Gbit/s fiber link directly to DE-CIX. :P

L434[06:32:54] <Izaya> Elizabeth, well I have a 10/100 Cisco enterprise switch and a 10/100 cheapass D-link 8-port switch between the servers and my desktop

L435[06:33:45] <Elizabeth> the cisco switch probably has a high packet switching rate but the d-link switch is probably not that fast

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L438[06:53:42] <vifino> God damn. People building render farms using CUPS.

L439[06:53:51] <vifino> And I thought I was insane making an IRC Printer.

L440[06:54:15] <vifino> Actually.

L441[06:54:19] <vifino> It's not that far off.

L442[06:55:09] <vifino> I mean, attaching a 3d printer to CUPS would be pretty cool. It would have a queue, interfaces everywhere, remote printing, etc..

L443[06:55:13] <vifino> Hrrrm.

L444[06:59:38] <Izaya> that would make a lot of sense actually

L445[06:59:51] <vifino> Yeah.

L446[07:00:02] <vifino> Not really sure why others didn't do it yet.

L447[07:00:47] <Izaya> does the lates Arch iso actually work?

L448[07:00:49] <Sangar> o/

L449[07:01:01] <Izaya> hai Sangar

L450[07:01:07] <DeanIsaKitty> Snagar! \o/

L451[07:01:19] <dangranos> Hallo Sangar

L452[07:01:34] <dangranos> Did you put your jaw back after BTM? XD

L453[07:01:48] <Sangar> yeah, i also had a really long shower right now :P

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L455[07:02:08] <Sangar> asie, cool! i'll look into it once i've oc 1.6 on 1.8 :)

L456[07:02:21] <dangranos> what about textures? XD

L457[07:02:25] <Alissa> Izaya: mine does

L458[07:02:32] <Alissa> for EFI.

L459[07:02:38] * dangranos remembers the 1.8 panel on BTM

L460[07:02:57] <Sangar> dangranos, oc *did* look like that when i started the original port to 1.8 ;)

L461[07:04:12] <Izaya> oh

L462[07:04:17] <Izaya> the machine I want to use is BIOS

L463[07:04:27] <Izaya> the september iso didn't work

L464[07:05:00] <Alissa> if you have a working Arch build you could probably pacstrap it onto an SD card

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L466[07:05:20] <Izaya> eh the one before that works fine

L467[07:05:27] <Izaya> just dunno if I want to bother downloading a new one

L468[07:05:39] <Izaya> is there a reason to download new ones, anyway?

L469[07:05:54] <Vexatos> sangar!

L470[07:05:57] <Vexatos> Two questions

L471[07:07:33] <Wolf480pl> vifino, CUPS-based CI build farm?

L472[07:07:58] <Sangar> Vexatos, idk, idk

L473[07:08:12] <Vexatos> :/

L474[07:08:15] <Sangar> :P

L475[07:08:37] <Vexatos> Because CC allows having a single mount for all your stuff if it's RO

L476[07:08:59] <Vexatos> I figured while the managed environment must be different due to node, the abstract fs itself may not

L477[07:09:12] <reinei> also, Vexatos: what did I say about letting the snow pass? YOU LET IT GET TO ME!! why?

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L479[07:09:34] <Vexatos> also yea, everytime you think the CC API can't possibly get worse

L480[07:09:38] <Vexatos> you find something new in it

L481[07:09:45] <vifino> Wolf480pl: Apparently.

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L484[07:10:02] <Vexatos> like not being able to mount something into /rom directly. I had to mount into /rom/autorun and /rom/programs separately

L485[07:10:08] <Vexatos> for one single file each

L486[07:10:10] <Vexatos> two mounts

L487[07:10:11] <Vexatos> :|

L488[07:10:23] <Vexatos> Oh and I hate to write my own mount implementation using your code, sangar

L489[07:10:30] <Sangar> :X

L490[07:10:43] <Vexatos> because apparently CC only accepts places outside of jar files if you are in the CC dev environment

L491[07:10:45] <Sangar> from the component wrapper?

L492[07:10:52] <Sangar> *peripheral wrapper

L493[07:10:55] <Vexatos> if you are in any other dev env, it must be in a jar

L494[07:11:12] <Vexatos> Sangar, http://git.io/vuZtH

L495[07:11:21] <Vexatos> Look at me translation slkillz

L496[07:11:29] <Sangar> :X

L497[07:11:35] <Vexatos> That's FileSystem.fromClass, btw+

L498[07:11:36] <Sangar> oh, from FileSystem?

L499[07:11:38] <Sangar> heh

L500[07:11:42] <Vexatos> so yea

L501[07:11:51] <Vexatos> basically "use CC impl if jar file and custom impl if not"

L502[07:12:16] <Sangar> so what was the q again?

L503[07:12:19] <Inari> whats MCMP

L504[07:12:25] <Sangar> ama's multipart

L505[07:12:36] <Sangar> for 1.8

L506[07:12:40] <Inari> which is better than the old multipart`?

L507[07:12:48] <Sangar> supposedly :P

L508[07:12:51] <Inari> ^^

L509[07:13:03] <Sangar> i've not worked with it yet; asie has

L510[07:13:19] <Sangar> he'll tell you it's better alone due to the fact that it's java and doesn't use asm magicks :D

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L512[07:14:45] <Inari> Magik6k's?

L513[07:15:01] <Inari> -'

L514[07:18:43] <Sangar> :P

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L516[07:23:51] <Vexatos> Sangar, q?

L517[07:23:55] <Vexatos> the question? :P

L518[07:23:59] <Sangar> yes

L519[07:24:14] <Vexatos> http://git.io/vuZOC

L520[07:24:24] <Deiwos> Oh wow, wocchat

L521[07:24:27] <Vexatos> Do I need a custom filesystem object for each tile

L522[07:24:35] <Vexatos> and the other question: TIS-3D 1.0.0 when

L523[07:24:36] <Vexatos> >_>

L524[07:26:48] <Sangar> you kinda do, because the number of open handles is limited. so if you have a bunch of "evil" machines that don't close their file handles, other machines couldn't read from the fs

L525[07:27:06] <Vexatos> ok

L526[07:27:16] <Sangar> if you decide you don't care about that, then no, for readonly you can do with one, it should all be synchronized correctly

L527[07:27:23] <Sangar> *should* :X

L528[07:27:36] <Vexatos> nah, I'll stay safe

L529[07:27:38] <Vexatos> soooo

L530[07:27:42] <Vexatos> whataboutatisrelease

L531[07:27:45] <Sangar> or was that in the component >_>

L532[07:27:51] <Sangar> yeah, better stay safe

L533[07:27:57] <Sangar> it is released :P

L534[07:28:18] <Sangar> i suppose i can bump the versioning to 1.0 to make that clearer with one of the next updates

L535[07:28:39] <Sangar> going by the downloads at least a few people got their hands on it by now, and there were surprisingly few bug reports

L536[07:29:20] <DeanIsaKitty> Soooo either people are bad at reporting bugs or they are so bored that they don't even search? :P

L537[07:29:23] <Vexatos> Just want to rather have a stable computer mod to depend on :P

L538[07:29:44] <Vexatos> I mean 2/3 computer mods I am depending on right now are stable, I just want both to be stable officially >_>

L539[07:33:17] <Inari> Sangar: "so you dont have to reabse again" hehe ^^

L540[07:35:37] <Inari> hm for a hwile that part may also have been getting the entity and/or tileentity, so maybe its because of that too

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L544[07:50:32] <Inari> learning all the scala mistakes \o/

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L546[07:53:24] <Inari> hm damn i now realize i could have done those if's in a nicer way by doing myOptionVar match { Some(val) => //use val ] stuff

L547[07:53:37] <Inari> instead of if(optionVal.isDefineD) { use optionVal by optionVal.orNull }

L548[07:56:41] <Sangar> yeah; but then you'd have returns in cases again which is also meh, so i didn't comment on that :P

L549[07:57:01] <Sangar> (or massive nesting)

L550[07:57:10] <Inari> hmm

L551[07:57:13] <Inari> yeah D:

L552[07:57:25] <Inari> i dont like the trade() c ode much :P it feels kinda clunky and bloated

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L554[07:57:51] <dannysmc95> Hello, I am a little stuck, what is the best OC emulator that I can use?

L555[07:58:07] <Inari> gamax's ocemu i guess?

L556[07:58:14] <dannysmc95> I have used it but it just errors

L557[07:58:17] <Sangar> it's pretty long yeah :P but sometimes that's a necessary evil. don't look at my fake player code >_>

L558[07:58:20] <dannysmc95> I want to install on win

L559[07:58:21] <Inari> what error

L560[07:58:24] <dangranos> dannysmc95: define "errors"

L561[07:58:27] <dangranos> win?

L562[07:58:29] <dangranos> GLHF

L563[07:58:31] <dannysmc95> windows

L564[07:58:46] <dangranos> aka "good luck, have fun"

L565[07:58:47] <dannysmc95> How do I even install it?

L566[07:58:55] <dangranos> there are instructions

L567[07:59:20] <dannysmc95> Where?

L568[07:59:32] <dangranos> right on the page of it?

L569[07:59:37] <dannysmc95> Yeah wait

L570[07:59:56] <Inari> whats with code things and being obsessed about new line at end of file

L571[08:00:34] <dangranos> it's nice?

L572[08:00:43] <dangranos> oh, tell me that you use hard tabs

L573[08:00:53] <Inari> hard tabs?

L574[08:01:08] <Inari> i tend to use whatever the editors feels like using

L575[08:01:51] <dannysmc95> When trying to make the luaffi file it just says compilation terminated

L576[08:02:10] <dangranos> uh

L577[08:02:18] <dannysmc95> It says I need to add pkg-config search path?

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L582[08:05:20] <Inari> Sangar: does OC do any tests? and if so, where at

L583[08:05:55] <Sangar> no. tests are for people who make mistakes.

L584[08:06:16] <Sangar> :P

L585[08:06:44] <Sangar> seriously though, no, there aren't, because i can't be bothered to write any

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L587[08:09:15] <Skye> Sangar, can you explain the graphics card call budget?

L588[08:10:46] <Sangar> each call costs the tier specific value currently hardcoded in the arrays, each machine has a call budget per tick, based on cpu tier and ram tier (and possibly other things i forget)

L589[08:11:48] <Sangar> oh, right. Inari, manual entry where? :X

L590[08:14:19] <Inari> oh right :P

L591[08:14:50] <Inari> *never uses manual * haha

L592[08:15:36] <Skye> Sangar, how hard would it be to have call budget calculations in Lua code?

L593[08:16:25] <Sangar> Inari, would you mind writing me at least a basis for the english one? i can go over it, but would be super handy to have something to start from.

L594[08:17:04] <Sangar> well, as long as you assume the hardcoded values don't change, not that hard i guess?

L595[08:19:20] <Skye> Sangar, so a call budget is per computer

L596[08:19:37] <Skye> and it's used up by every call to a component?

L597[08:19:55] <Sangar> yes

L598[08:20:27] <Skye> hmm

L599[08:21:03] <Skye> how reasonable would it be to add a way to get the current call budget and the costs to an API on the computer?

L600[08:24:51] <Skye> Sangar?

L601[08:28:17] <Inari> Sangar: sounds fine to do~ should i commit it then? or just send you or something? XD

L602[08:28:21] <Inari> *to you

L603[08:41:13] <Sangar> if you want the commit, push it, else just send it to me :P

L604[08:41:26] <Skye> Sangar, how reasonable would it be to add a way to get the current call budget and the costs to an API on the computer?

L605[08:41:27] <Sangar> Skye, eh, don't really want to expose that, too implementation detail

L606[08:41:30] <Skye> gah

L607[08:41:39] <Skye> but I need it for an idea I had

L608[08:41:54] <Skye> I wanted to make a library that helped you optimise graphics

L609[08:42:22] <Sangar> well, keep a manually maintained lookup table in that then

L610[08:43:30] <dangranos> so..

L611[08:43:51] <dangranos> is the thing that asie used for steaming published yet?

L612[08:44:02] * Inari steams some dangranos buns

L613[08:44:58] <Skye> Sangar, but that would be different for different computers

L614[08:46:32] <Inari> Sangar: https://gist.github.com/Inari-Whitebear/cd58da908a41c83a8c89 well... not much of an entry? xD

L615[08:46:32] <Sangar> true, but my assumption was that when doing stuff like this you'd always just use t3 everything anyway :P

L616[08:46:42] <Sangar> it's a start, thanks ;)

L617[08:47:37] <Skye> Sangar, meh

L618[08:47:46] <Inari> Skye: moo

L619[08:47:58] <dangranos> hmmm

L620[08:48:03] <Skye> It would be nice to be able to calculate without having to guess

L621[08:48:07] <dangranos> twitch plays twitch

L622[08:48:11] <dangranos> heh

L623[08:49:07] <Skye> Sangar, is there a way to detect if I had to wait for a tick?

L624[08:49:15] <Skye> and is a tick a special tick of a minecraft tick?

L625[08:49:22] <dangranos> inb4 syncing

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L627[08:50:19] <Inari> Skye: well you dont really have to guess, no?

L628[08:50:49] <Skye> I'm assiming that no-one changed the callbudgets

L629[08:51:26] <Inari> so you're trying to write something that figures out the call budget?

L630[08:55:01] <Inari> hm btw

L631[08:55:10] <Inari> OC shader program could still be a thing...

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L633[08:56:57] <Inari> maybe as a string: "fFF0000bFFFFFFs10 10 "abc"" because... well i might be wrong, but direct calls do marshalling? and apprently the context switching and such is quite expensive there, so why not allow to program and run shaders made of strings like that, that only have to do that whole stuff once and then do all operatioons wanted instead of many times in a row... thouhg maybe im just missing a

L634[08:57:01] <Inari> detail or misunderstanding something :P

L635[08:58:10] <Skye> well

L636[08:58:24] <Skye> shaders should be things that take up one entire call budget to upload

L637[08:58:28] <Skye> but take no call budget to run

L638[09:00:30] <Inari> well it was meant to reduce the internal computational overhead OC has to deal with

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L640[09:09:37] <Izaya> right, installing the relevant Windows

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L642[09:16:51] <Antheus|School> \o/

L643[09:17:11] <Inari> why are you happy about school

L644[09:17:22] <Antheus|School> Finally found an irc client for iPhone

L645[09:17:48] <Inari> soundslike that wouldnt be rare

L646[09:18:01] <Antheus|School> Using mutter

L647[09:19:09] <Antheus|School> Vexatos: s' is acceptable. S' and s's are interchangeable

L648[09:21:59] <dangranos> so..

L649[09:22:07] <dangranos> are there any good OC servers? ._.

L650[09:22:20] * dangranos pokes Izaya

L651[09:23:14] * Elizabeth might be reviving her server soon

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L654[09:26:05] <Izaya> dangranos, only if I get off my ass

L655[09:26:09] <Izaya> read: probably not

L656[09:26:36] <Skye> Sangar, so I'm going to have to be guessing values for my call budget prediction

L657[09:26:38] <Skye> ?

L658[09:28:45] <Skye> Sangar, also is a tick a minecraft tick (20 times a second)

L659[09:30:18] <cloakable> yes

L660[09:30:51] <Izaya> so evidently I need to boot into windows safe mode to install a non-MS-certified driver

L661[09:31:18] <dangranos> uh

L662[09:31:25] <dangranos> in win7 you can do that freely?

L663[09:31:30] <Izaya> nop

L664[09:31:34] <Izaya> just did a fresh installed

L665[09:31:42] <Izaya> my patched intel hd drivers wouldn't installeed

L666[09:31:46] <Izaya> wouldn't install

L667[09:31:47] <DeanIsaKitty> dangranos: Probably not if its not signed at all.

L668[09:31:50] <Skye> why do you patch them?

L669[09:32:01] <Izaya> (y'know, patched so I could install them on server versions of Windows)

L670[09:32:11] <DeanIsaKitty> Izaya: If you care you can sign the driver yourself and accept that signature

L671[09:32:37] <Izaya> eh I don't need the patches, went with stock Intel drivers

L672[09:34:07] <Elizabeth> Izaya, if it's x64 i think there's a boot option to disable driver signature checking

L673[09:36:34] <Izaya> Okay, created myself a 'root' account that I'll need to put in the password for to install stuff on there

L674[09:36:53] <Antheus|School> Elizabeth tell me when you get it up

L675[09:36:56] <Izaya> no sense in letting stuff like that happen without a password being entered

L676[09:37:49] <Antheus|School> So, not standing for the pledge of aligence to the US and Texas flag is considered wrong

L677[09:38:25] <Antheus|School> ffs I feel awful if I stand up today

L678[09:38:30] <Elizabeth> Antheus|School, to hell with those people

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L680[09:41:25] <Antheus|School> Spanish assignment: write one page on your New Years resolutions

L681[09:42:04] <Antheus|School> Nothing to do with Spanish ._.

L682[09:45:12] <Izaya> fuhh why is wifi on this box so flaky

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L685[09:45:34] <Izaya> ethernet > wifi

L686[09:45:48] <Antheus|School> Can confirm

L687[09:45:56] <Izaya> fucking hell

L688[09:46:04] <Izaya> the button does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

L689[09:46:07] <Antheus|School> Lol

L690[09:46:19] <Izaya> to be fair the wifi never worked on windows on this box anyway

L691[09:46:31] * Antheus|School pushes izaya s button

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L694[09:48:05] <Sangar> Skye, yes and yes

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L696[09:49:20] <Sangar> Inari, i stopped noting every nitpick and i'm refactoring a bit of stuff into InventoryUtils, but one thing i found: http://git.io/vunTK getLoadedEntityList is client only :P watch out for evil @SideOnly annotations!

L697[09:49:41] <Izaya> windows complains about a hardware switch

L698[09:49:48] <Izaya> the hardware switch does exactly nothing

L699[09:49:50] <Inari> <.<

L700[09:49:58] <Inari> *makes note to test on dedicated server* xD

L701[09:50:00] <Izaya> all it does

L702[09:50:06] <Sangar> indeed :3

L703[09:50:16] <Izaya> is to press a key

L704[09:50:16] <Inari> haha, sorry fro all the things to nitpick :P

L705[09:50:19] <Izaya> as in a keyboard key

L706[09:50:23] <Sangar> no worries :)

L707[09:50:33] <Inari> looking forward to see the refactored versionx D

L708[09:50:44] <Antheus|School> Eat \n Nop \n rlx \n jro -3

L709[09:50:54] <Sangar> heh

L710[09:51:09] <Inari> hey, its one way of learning xD

L711[09:51:37] <Sangar> glad you see it that way ^^

L712[09:51:44] <Sangar> and not as me butchering your code :X

L713[09:51:50] <Elizabeth> Izaya, ethernet will always be better than wifi, unless you're using a hub for multiple devices, then it'll be the same as wifi

L714[09:52:00] <Inari> haha, nah~ and im pretty new to scala and mc modding anyway :p

L715[09:52:20]

<nxsupert> Kon'nichiwa.

L716[09:52:43] <Elizabeth> does AE2 have source code viewable?

L717[09:53:04]

<nxsupert> I think it is fully open source.

L718[09:53:17] <Sangar> the save/load is still making me unhappy. i'd like to generically do that via the Agent interface, but for robots proxies sortakinda require a special case :/

L719[09:53:19] <cloakable> check the github

L720[09:53:21] <Elizabeth> yep, just found the repo

L721[09:53:27]

<nxsupert> https://github.com/AppliedEnergistics/Applied-Energistics-2

L722[09:53:38] <Inari> Sangar: hehe, was mostly the best way i could think of to find the agent again xD

L723[09:53:49] <Inari> or do you mean how its split into its own class?

L724[09:54:03] <Sangar> oh that's fine

L725[09:54:42] <Sangar> i mean the case robot: / case: robotProxy... i can do one with agent: Agent, but the proxy still needs special casing

L726[09:54:56] <Inari> ah

L727[09:55:02] <Sangar> (want it via the Agent interface to theoretically support addon agents, not that those exist or probably ever will, but hey)

L728[09:55:07] <Izaya> among other things I never stuck on the network drive: veracrypt and classic shell

L729[09:55:13] <Izaya> because naturally I use classic shell on Windows 7

L730[09:55:22] <Inari> addon agents? :o

L731[09:56:39] <Elizabeth> .load

L732[09:56:39] <EnderBot2> CPU: 2.3 2.21 2.23 , RAM: 15.9G/31.3G (~50.9%), SWAP: 474.8M/88.2G (~0.5%)

L733[09:58:00] <Sangar> Inari, theoretically possible, yes

L734[10:10:13] <Antheus|School> .-.

L735[10:14:33] <Izaya> man why is windows so sucky for theming

L736[10:14:46] <Elizabeth> Windows Blinds!

L737[10:14:49] <Izaya> you either burn up your GPU or run CDE

L738[10:15:00] * Elizabeth remembers her XP looking like Mac OS X

L739[10:15:35] <Antheus|School> I remember XP

L740[10:15:47] <Antheus|School> BACK in kindergarten

L741[10:15:49] <Izaya> Elizabeth, are you running pirated or free?

L742[10:16:03] <Antheus|School> All the way to 6th grade

L743[10:16:03] <Izaya> Antheus|School, I remember XP, in the end of primary school

L744[10:16:06] <Izaya> yep

L745[10:16:07] <Izaya> 7th

L746[10:16:18] <Elizabeth> windows blinds? I think i pirated it way back when. i don't use it anymore though

L747[10:16:28] <Antheus|School> 7th through now [11th] is win 7

L748[10:16:37] <Izaya> I'll go yarr a copy then

L749[10:16:43] <Izaya> because this classic theme looks like ass

L750[10:16:55] <Izaya> it wouldn't look so bad if Windows didn't put these fucking white borders on everything

L751[10:17:03] <Elizabeth> the windows 7 'basic' theme is complete trash, i hate that

L752[10:17:14] <Elizabeth> i don't mind the aero

L753[10:17:21] <Izaya> I dislike aero

L754[10:17:25] <Izaya> it's unneccesary fluff

L755[10:17:55] <Antheus|School> Like my life

L756[10:17:56] <dangranos> it was nice at first..

L757[10:18:00] <dangranos> but, well

L758[10:18:05] <dangranos> nobody uses gradients now

L759[10:18:08] <dangranos> uinless they are flat

L760[10:18:25] <Izaya> it does fucking blurring

L761[10:18:32] <Izaya> that's an expensive operation

L762[10:23:53] <Izaya> what else do I need to do to ensure a semi-sane Windows experience?

L763[10:24:09] <Elizabeth> not windows

L764[10:24:54] <Kubuxu> GOGOGOGO, buy tin foil hat today: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shieldapparel/shield-the-world-s-first-signal-proof-headwear /s

L765[10:42:57] <Izaya> SP1 is the bane of my existance

L766[10:43:03] <Izaya> it's such a fucking pain to make it install

L767[10:55:02] <Elizabeth> Izaya, can you get htop up on the vps i run for you and tell me how many CPU cores you have?

L768[10:55:29] <Izaya> pretty sure it's two but I'll check

L769[10:55:30] <Elizabeth> trying to determin if virt-manager is being stupid or not

L770[10:55:42] <Izaya> yep 2

L771[10:55:54] <Elizabeth> cool

L772[10:56:02] <Elizabeth> not sure why Virtmanager is showing 1

L773[10:59:14] <DeanIsaKitty> Virtual vs physical cores (as in Intel hyperthreading)

L774[10:59:16] <DeanIsaKitty> ?

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L777[11:00:08] <Elizabeth> DeanIsaKitty, not sure if it uses the hyperthreaded cores or the main ones, it's just showing as 1 cpu exposed to the guest

L778[11:10:12] <Izaya> it took windows no less than 22 tries to install SP1

L779[11:10:44] <Izaya> but it is installed

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L781[11:11:25] <CompanionCube> Izaya, you know

L782[11:11:27] <MajGenRelativity> Is there any way to write the following statement more compactly in LUA

L783[11:11:29] <CompanionCube> alternate windows shells exist

L784[11:11:54] <Izaya> CompanionCube, I know

L785[11:11:56] <MajGenRelativity> X~=a AND x~=b AND X~=C

L786[11:12:00] <Izaya> they just all suck more than the default

L787[11:12:12] * CompanionCube liked the idea of bumptop

L788[11:12:57] * MajGenRelativity is freezing to death while asking Lua questions

L789[11:13:00] <CompanionCube> 3D desktop? Want.

L790[11:13:15] <Izaya> freaking veracrypt

L791[11:13:16] <Izaya> okay

L792[11:13:26] <Izaya> windows is only going to be used for 'clean' stuff

L793[11:13:42] <CompanionCube> are you going full paranoia

L794[11:13:51] <Izaya> CompanionCube, if last time was 11/10

L795[11:13:54] <Izaya> this time is 19/10

L796[11:14:07] <MajGenRelativity> Edward Snowden is listening to your emails

L797[11:14:13] <CompanionCube> why not grab a copy of Qubes and heavily use Xen?

L798[11:14:23] <Izaya> no VT-x

L799[11:14:30] <Izaya> liberated laptop and all

L800[11:14:51] <MajGenRelativity> Anyone have any answers to my Lua question?

L801[11:15:34] <Izaya> CompanionCube, I do intend to abuse both btrfs and LXC though

L802[11:15:53] <CompanionCube> Izaya, subvolumes and snapshots?

L803[11:16:10] <Izaya> CompanionCube, okay so know how you can have a root fs as a btrfs subvolume

L804[11:16:22] <Izaya> how's 3 different distros on the same btrfs sound?

L805[11:16:37] <Daiyousei> cansur b0ss

L806[11:16:44] <CompanionCube> OK, if you're willing to write the bootloader hackery

L807[11:16:57] <Izaya> CompanionCube, who do you think I am

L808[11:17:05] <MajGenRelativity> John Cena

L809[11:17:09] <dangranos> >asie >bootloaders

L810[11:17:11] <dangranos> >_<

L811[11:17:13] <Izaya> this will be beautiful in the ugliest way

L812[11:17:14] <dangranos> derp

L813[11:17:15] <dangranos> *>izaya

L814[11:17:30] <MajGenRelativity> And his name is

L815[11:17:33] <dangranos> izaya and bootloaders.. better not part them

L816[11:17:35] <CompanionCube> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html might be worth a read if you're not against uselessd

L817[11:17:35] <MajGenRelativity> JOHN CENAAAAAA

L818[11:17:40] <Izaya> this will be a piece of wizardry of epic proportions

L819[11:17:55] <MajGenRelativity> Even more so than TACEATS4?

L820[11:17:57] <dangranos> JOHN LOSOSINA

L821[11:18:01] <Izaya> MajGenRelativity, yes

L822[11:18:05] <MajGenRelativity> Really

L823[11:18:07] <MajGenRelativity> Idk

L824[11:18:13] * dangranos runs away laughing with a terrible russian accent

L825[11:18:17] <MajGenRelativity> TACEATS4 intense

L826[11:18:18] <Izaya> can it run 3 different linux distros at the same time on the same machine

L827[11:18:20] <Izaya> without virt?

L828[11:18:29] <CompanionCube> it's a blogpost

L829[11:18:36] <MajGenRelativity> I'm also crying so hard from cold I can barely read

L830[11:19:21] <MajGenRelativity> Izaya, TACEATS4 will turn PvP into PvC

L831[11:19:44] <MajGenRelativity> It will be the pinnacle of my programming work

L832[11:19:54] <Izaya> CompanionCube, know what's really nice about the Windows setup?

L833[11:19:57] <MajGenRelativity> Hell, it could work in real life

L834[11:20:01] <Izaya> it makes a convenient 100M partition for me

L835[11:20:21] <CompanionCube> that should be enough

L836[11:20:23] <Izaya> to put grub and such into

L837[11:20:32] <CompanionCube> what are your 3 distros of choice?

L838[11:20:43] <Izaya> gonna stick debian and arch on there for sure

L839[11:20:49] <Izaya> haven't decided on the third

L840[11:20:55] <Izaya> but it's scaleable if it works

L841[11:21:10] <CompanionCube> since you're going full paranoia, perhaps tails/whonix?

L842[11:21:14] <MajGenRelativity> My hands are turning numb

L843[11:21:18] <Izaya> that'd be an idea

L844[11:22:13] <Izaya> CompanionCube, you can mount non-top-level btrfs subvols, right?

L845[11:22:23] <CompanionCube> Izaya, should do

L846[11:22:34] <MajGenRelativity> Oh no

L847[11:22:36] <MajGenRelativity> Snow

L848[11:22:37] <MajGenRelativity> Why

L849[11:22:41] <Izaya> -o subvol=/dir/subvola?

L850[11:22:56] <CompanionCube> Izaya, yep

L851[11:23:01] <Izaya> Now, where's a good place to hide a system?

L852[11:23:04] <Izaya> LXC default dir?

L853[11:23:15] <MajGenRelativity> In your Documents folder

L854[11:23:15] <CompanionCube> I'd go for some place deep in /usr/share

L855[11:23:17] <CompanionCube> or /usr/lib

L856[11:23:22] <MajGenRelativity> Labeled top secret

L857[11:23:49] <Izaya> /usr/share/system/macfags/beware/here/be/dragons/debian

L858[11:24:02] <Izaya> yeah? :D

L859[11:24:04] <CompanionCube> or

L860[11:24:15] <vifino> Izaya: /usr/share/man/zh_TW/man9/

L861[11:24:23] <CompanionCube> that works

L862[11:24:46] <Izaya> hah

L863[11:24:46] <MajGenRelativity> Beware of Edward Snowden

L864[11:24:47] <MajGenRelativity> He is reading this now

L865[11:25:03] <MajGenRelativity> He will know where you hide your distros

L866[11:25:16] <CompanionCube> MajGenRelativity, and he is using the powerful and dangerous weapon

L867[11:25:23] <CompanionCube> called 'monospaced fonts'

L868[11:25:39] <MajGenRelativity> I thought you were going to say Nvidia

L869[11:26:13] <MajGenRelativity> Nvidia trumps all but Google Ultron and Adobe Reader

L870[11:26:31] <vifino> MajGenRelativity: He is hacking your system with his open cl powered tree and grep!

L871[11:26:48] * MajGenRelativity installs Google Ultron

L872[11:26:51] <MajGenRelativity> Hah

L873[11:27:05] <MajGenRelativity> The best of security from Internet Explorer 5

L874[11:27:20] <CompanionCube> I just infected your shit with Jitterbug

L875[11:27:31] * MajGenRelativity uninstalls Ultron

L876[11:27:44] * MajGenRelativity installs Adobe Reader

L877[11:28:17] <MajGenRelativity> Heh

L878[11:28:38] <MajGenRelativity> No comeback to Adobe Reader

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L880[11:28:54] <CompanionCube> orly

L881[11:28:58] <AndroUser2> Ye

L882[11:29:04] <AndroUser2> Welp

L883[11:29:05] * CompanionCube infects Adobe Reader with Jitterbug

L884[11:29:10] <AndroUser2> My nick went away

L885[11:29:27] <AndroUser2> Jitterbug isn't a virus

L886[11:29:37] <Izaya> Oh man I forgot how godly my laptop

L887[11:29:38] <AndroUser2> You cannot infect something with it

L888[11:29:42] <Izaya> 's keyboard is

L889[11:29:47] <Izaya> this is why I'm using one from 2010

L890[11:29:56] <Izaya> cause the keyboard doesn't totally suck

L891[11:30:08] <CompanionCube> Izaya, so on your linux boxen how will you sync your configuration and personal data

L892[11:30:10] <AndroUser2> I'm home

L893[11:30:15] <CompanionCube> perhaps have a shared subvolume for /home?

L894[11:30:18] <AndroUser2> But I lost my hands

L895[11:30:27] <Izaya> eh same home for multiple distros gets screwy

L896[11:30:37] <Izaya> but I will share the steam library

L897[11:30:38] <Izaya> because fuck

L898[11:30:41] *** AndroUser2 is now known as MGR

L899[11:30:42] <Izaya> that gets HUGE

L900[11:30:47] <MGR> Steam

L901[11:30:54] <MGR> Praise lord GabeN

L902[11:30:54] * CompanionCube has a SteamLibrary subvolume on his exthdd

L903[11:31:33] <MGR> I must go

L904[11:31:42] <MGR> My people need me

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L907[11:33:41] <Izaya> 2M/s sustained transfer

L908[11:33:53] <Izaya> this is why I install linux at 4:30 AM in the morning

L909[11:37:23] <CompanionCube> https://github.com/mschwager/dhcpwn

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L911[11:39:40] <CompanionCube> Izaya, ^ any of your networks vuln?

L912[11:40:45] <Izaya> most of my stuff is static

L913[11:43:02] <tim4242> Does anyone know if there is a character limit for a single post on the OC forums?

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L915[12:05:04] <Inari> Sangar: so you ended up not minding the icon? xD

L916[12:05:38] <Inari> oh you tweaked it

L917[12:05:55] <Inari> looks good

L918[12:07:37] <Inari> the naming stuff is a bit confusing ,since in some placed upgrade seems to go first in others not

L919[12:08:51] <gamax92> Inari: you're confusing

L920[12:09:03] <Inari> how so :P

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L922[12:09:55] <gamax92> undefined reference to `_'

L923[12:10:04] <Inari> wat

L924[12:11:26] <gamax92> volumeicon refusing to compile

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L926[12:16:47] <dangranos> my typo of the day: "do you pacmake manage?"

L927[12:17:00] <dangranos> was supposed to be "package"

L928[12:17:12] <dangranos> (that guy used make uninstall to uninstall znc

L929[12:18:52] <CompanionCube> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/194710/laptop-unusable-after-deleting-bin

L930[12:18:54] <CompanionCube> rip.

L931[12:20:15] <Inari> Sangar: nice refactor of inv utils haha, makes the trade much mroe clean, along with using those helpfunctiosn

L932[12:20:17] <dangranos> so..

L933[12:20:26] <dangranos> sitting on hypeirc (irc in darknet)

L934[12:20:31] <Inari> and MC had IMerchant? :x totally missed that

L935[12:20:50] <dangranos> said about my age (it's 15, btw)

L936[12:21:13] <dangranos> some guy i knew for a while took off his hat for me XD

L937[12:21:36] <Inari> tophat?

L938[12:22:33] <dangranos> well, a 15 years old sitting on darknet that at least requires some knowledge of linux

L939[12:22:36] <dangranos> and in irc

L940[12:23:02] <CompanionCube> and?

L941[12:23:17] <dangranos> well, he was impressed i guess ._.

L942[12:23:35] <Elizabeth> i guess by darknet you don't mean the one lalli's connected to

L943[12:23:56] <dangranos> that one, yup

L944[12:24:01] <dangranos> oh wai

L945[12:24:04] <dangranos> nope

L946[12:24:23] <sugoi> veltas: hello?

L947[12:24:32] <dangranos> i mean, i do have connection to it on lalli, but not your irc net, nope

L948[12:24:36] <veltas> sugoi: yes?

L949[12:24:39] <Inari> why linux?

L950[12:24:39] <CompanionCube> so

L951[12:24:41] <dangranos> ...this is a mess

L952[12:24:42] <CompanionCube> hypeirc?

L953[12:24:52] <sugoi> veltas: i need your help :)

L954[12:25:11] <veltas> I am just about to go to sleep but what is it

L955[12:25:15] <sugoi> veltas: oh..ok

L956[12:25:37] * Skye hands Sangar a cup of cold milk and pokes them to read the issues list

L957[12:25:44] <dangranos> CompanionCube: hypeirc - an irc server on hyperboria; hyperboria - a darknet based on cjdns; cjdn - a p2p routing and meshnet software

L958[12:25:48] <sugoi> say you have a tool that prints teh results of one read, like io.read('*l') or io.read()

L959[12:25:53] <sugoi> where it waits for newline

L960[12:25:56] <dangranos> i kinda tried to use cjdns on windows.. but it was painful

L961[12:26:05] <veltas> sugoi: Yeah

L962[12:26:06] <Inari> dangranos: the real pros can do it

L963[12:26:10] <dangranos> so i just said "fck it" and switched to linux

L964[12:26:21] <Inari> psh, easymode noobs </s>

L965[12:26:21] <Inari> :p

L966[12:26:23] <dangranos> Inari: </sarcasm> ?

L967[12:26:29] <CompanionCube> most uncommon VPNs on windows are pain

L968[12:26:40] <dangranos> Inari: oh, you closed it before me

L969[12:26:58] <dangranos> Okay, i'm a mess. I'm going to sleep

L970[12:27:00] <sugoi> veltas: sorry, sec

L971[12:27:16] <dangranos> Good night/evening/day/morning everyone.

L972[12:27:34] <dangranos> or whatever _other_ time of day you have

L973[12:28:17] <gamax92> Swiffy and Shumway

L974[12:28:45] <gamax92> one converts Flash to HTML5 and one runs Flash using HTML5

L975[12:28:54] <sugoi> veltas: but, what do i do with popen

L976[12:28:57] <sugoi> where i don't print the newline

L977[12:29:13] <sugoi> consider echo -n hi | ./readline-and-print

L978[12:29:24] <sugoi> that will print hi because the 1st command dies/completes

L979[12:29:59] <gamax92> that will print hi because the read finishes since the stream ended (because the previous command died)

L980[12:30:08] <sugoi> but if i popen('readline-and-print') and then write('hi') without newline

L981[12:30:33] <sugoi> veltas: there is no "and now the first command dies" to close the stream and readline-and-print never completes its read

L982[12:30:37] <gamax92> as soon as you close your popen, the stream will end and you'll get "hi"

L983[12:30:51] <sugoi> gamax92: popen close should do the same?

L984[12:30:53] <sugoi> ok

L985[12:31:12] <gamax92> believe so

L986[12:31:12] <sugoi> p=popen(...);p:write('hi');p:close() should print hi?

L987[12:31:17] <sugoi> that's interesting

L988[12:31:24] <gamax92> sugoi: it's to do with the stream ending

L989[12:31:51] <sugoi> sure.that's possible, just not what i was assuming

L990[12:32:03] <sugoi> just seems weird...to resume the popen prog on close

L991[12:32:20] <sugoi> so should prog run to end on popen close?

L992[12:32:24] <sugoi> thats...also weird to me

L993[12:32:34] <sugoi> because at that point, all reads would nil out

L994[12:32:38] <sugoi> because stream closed

L995[12:32:54] <gamax92> and?

L996[12:33:22] <sugoi> i'll just test this on a real popen

L997[12:33:29] <sugoi> i can implement what you say

L998[12:33:34] <sugoi> it's just not what i expected

L999[12:34:00] <veltas> I would try and follow whatever popen does on your computer

L1000[12:34:04] <sugoi> besides this (stream closed) popen read and writes are working!

L1001[12:34:25] <sugoi> veltas: yeah, just felt like asking here

L1002[12:34:27] <gamax92> echo -n "hello" |lua -e "repeat local blob=io.stdin:read(1)print(blob)until not blob"

L1003[12:34:29] <sugoi> but i will

L1004[12:34:34] <gamax92> h, e, l, l, o, nil

L1005[12:35:00] <veltas> Yeah that looks right

L1006[12:35:18] <vifino> gamax92: isn't that a syntax error or do you really not need an end there?

L1007[12:35:33] <gamax92> repeat until doesn't need an end

L1008[12:35:43] <sugoi> that is literally a pipe

L1009[12:35:51] <sugoi> which i understand is the basis of a popen

L1010[12:35:57] <sugoi> or that they are the same idea

L1011[12:36:06] <sugoi> it's just .. odd to me that a stream close would resume a prog

L1012[12:36:52] <gamax92> well you are working in a cooperative multitasking world

L1013[12:38:52] <veltas> There is a yield() between

L1014[12:39:19] <veltas> So the program would resume on input, surely?

L1015[12:39:24] <veltas> Anyway off to bed

L1016[12:39:36] <Inari> wut

L1017[12:39:46] <Inari> rotarycraft things act like components and cables ;-;

L1018[12:39:51] <gamax92> Inari: yep

L1019[12:40:02] <Inari> thats.. weird

L1020[12:40:05] <gamax92> yep

L1021[12:40:11] <Inari> reika pls

L1022[12:40:28] <Inari> but that will crash my pc if i connect too many

L1023[12:40:29] <Inari> D:

L1024[12:40:50] <gamax92> yep.

L1025[12:40:59] <Inari> so what do i do about that

L1026[12:41:00] <Inari> D:

L1027[12:41:28] <gamax92> figure out how the fuck to build Rotarycraft with it's non gradle repository

L1028[12:41:49] <gamax92> or get a bytecode editor and patch the relevant sections like how I did it before.

L1029[12:43:18] <Inari> ...

L1030[12:43:30] <Inari> oh reika, why you hate me so

L1031[12:45:04] <Antheus|School> 0/

L1032[12:45:29] <gamax92> I should learn how to coremod it, seems like it'd be easy.

L1033[12:46:50] <Inari> https://github.com/ReikaKalseki/Reika_Mods_Issues/issues/415

L1034[12:47:19] <Inari> how bull shit is that answer from 0 to jarmod?

L1035[12:47:43] <Inari> i dont knwo enough OC to judge it :P

L1036[12:48:03] <gamax92> eeeh, Reika didn't say Neighbor visibility which is what I patched it to.

L1037[12:49:54] <gamax92> it's not Component, Network, None, it's Network, Neighbors, None which Neighbors would be better since that makes it that EVERYTHING EVER DOESN'T TRY TO CONNECT

L1038[12:49:59] <gamax92> only block touching the computer would then connect

L1039[12:50:46] <Inari> hm

L1040[12:51:04] <Inari> well we lack a "reachable by cable but doesnt act as cable" :P

L1041[12:51:39] <Skye> What do people think of https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/1597 ?

L1042[12:51:43] <gamax92> Sangar: does a block with visibility of Neighbor transmit through a cable?

L1043[12:51:50] <gamax92> but not allow things to transmit through it

L1044[12:52:48] <gamax92> I guess you could probably just black-magic it by searching the network for computers and specifically only connecting to them

L1045[12:54:12] <Inari> hm

L1046[12:54:17] <Inari> can a computer case output redstone? xD

L1047[12:54:28] <Elizabeth> if it has the redstone card, yes

L1048[12:54:59] <Inari> oh that exists

L1049[12:54:59] <Inari> neat

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L1052[12:55:59] <Inari> whats with the component presents anyway ;-;

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L1055[13:00:39] <Vexatos> asie: push when

L1056[13:00:42] <Vexatos> also hi

L1057[13:00:44] <Vexatos> I'm back

L1058[13:00:51] <Vexatos> from the lands of uni and versity

L1059[13:21:17] <Sangar> Inari, yeah, just touched the texture up a little to make it fit better with the others ;)

L1060[13:21:23] <Sangar> also thanks for the pr in general!

L1061[13:21:42] <Inari> haha, well you ahd to adjust lots of stuff xD

L1062[13:23:37] <Inari> but you're welcome :p might try taking up some other for-adoption thingy haha

L1063[13:23:38] <gamax92> Sangar D:<

L1064[13:23:41] <Sangar> gamax92, with neighbor they still act as 'cables' but they'll only expose the component to nodes directly connected to them (i.e. neighboring blocks)

L1065[13:23:47] <S3> Hey guys.

L1066[13:23:52] <S3> Finally got my BSD box back up

L1067[13:24:32] <gamax92> Sangar: ._.

L1068[13:24:50] <gamax92> Sangar: If I have a block with visibility Neighbor, can I still use a cable to connect it to a computer?

L1069[13:25:30] <Sangar> gamax92, no, computer needs to be right next to it then

L1070[13:25:43] <Inari> ~oc event

L1071[13:25:43] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:event

L1072[13:25:58] <Izaya> hai S3

L1073[13:26:04] <Izaya> just finished reinstalling my laptop

L1074[13:26:05] <S3> Hey Izaya

L1075[13:26:10] <Sangar> re rc: fwiw, i personally don't think that's how it should work, but i'm not the type to tell others how to play the game. the only thing bothering me is that people don't just accept that cranking up the component limit is essentially a requirement for rc packs, and instead complain about the limits being there in the first place

L1076[13:26:12] <S3> Oh?

L1077[13:26:25] <Izaya> if last time's paranoia was 11/10

L1078[13:26:28] <Izaya> this time is 19/10

L1079[13:26:39] <S3> 19/10?

L1080[13:26:43] <Izaya> yes

L1081[13:26:45] <S3> of?

L1082[13:26:52] <Izaya> paranoia

L1083[13:26:54] <S3> of

L1084[13:26:58] <Izaya> well

L1085[13:27:00] <S3> ...

L1086[13:27:03] <Izaya> even GRUB wants a password

L1087[13:27:08] <S3> ......

L1088[13:27:09] <Izaya> the BIOS wants a password to boot

L1089[13:27:11] <S3> um

L1090[13:27:15] <S3> whyyy

L1091[13:27:18] <Izaya> both linux and windows are encrypted

L1092[13:27:28] <S3> well it's a good thing then that you do not have a thinkpad. Know why?

L1093[13:27:42] <Izaya> spyware in the UEFI?

L1094[13:28:00] <S3> If you ever lost the bios password to your thinkpad, you are ligitimately screwed unless you love desoldering the SPI eeprom that holds the encrypted password

L1095[13:28:10] <Izaya> well you see

L1096[13:28:20] <S3> you used to be able to read it on the parallel eeproms but now it's all serial

L1097[13:28:21] <Izaya> my laptop has the CMOS backed to an EEPROM too

L1098[13:28:37] <Izaya> like it'll reset the clock but not the password

L1099[13:28:38] <S3> used to be able to just use a meter*

L1100[13:28:44] <S3> heh

L1101[13:28:53] <Izaya> but I did put the password somewhere secure

L1102[13:29:01] <S3> your head?

L1103[13:29:09] <Izaya> and one other place

L1104[13:29:12] <lashtear> that requires foil shielding

L1105[13:29:13] <Izaya> that no-one will ever find

L1106[13:29:30] <Izaya> lashtear, wouldn't want the aliens reading it would we?

L1107[13:29:32] <S3> the most secure place your password can be is in your head

L1108[13:29:39] <S3> ironically it's not very secure either

L1109[13:29:45] <Izaya> it's secure but lossy

L1110[13:29:50] <S3> that's fine

L1111[13:29:56] <S3> it keeps honest people like you out.

L1112[13:30:03] <S3> Which is what passwords are meant to do

L1113[13:30:31] <Izaya> so anyway encryption and if the laptop was stolen it's a very flat paperweight

L1114[13:30:45] <lashtear> heh. I've run (in emulation) machines so old that logins had no concept of password. Just a name...

L1115[13:31:06] <Izaya> lashtear, I've played with systems where it was considered polite to log in

L1116[13:31:15] <Izaya> in VMs of course

L1117[13:31:21] <lashtear> yeah.

L1118[13:31:26] <S3> I need to start writing the OC eeprom that can read FAT12

L1119[13:31:30] <lashtear> woo pdp-10 ITS

L1120[13:31:41] <Izaya> ^

L1121[13:31:50] <Vexatos> Hmmm guys, would there be a general demand for a Collections library on OPPM/mpt? :/

L1122[13:31:52] <Vexatos> I am bored

L1123[13:31:57] <Vexatos> so that's why I'm asking

L1124[13:31:58] <S3> problem is, once it reads FAT12, what should it look for

L1125[13:32:03] <Vexatos> I mean, it's not really needed

L1126[13:32:08] <gamax92> io.sys ;3

L1127[13:32:10] <Vexatos> it would just be... safety?

L1128[13:32:12] <Izaya> it's 6:30 AM what should I eat?

L1129[13:32:17] * Vexatos asks Snagar too

L1130[13:32:35] <vifino> Izaya: Tuna.

L1131[13:32:44] <gamax92> S3: why not just make it load init.lua like anything else

L1132[13:32:47] <Elizabeth> Izaya, people

L1133[13:33:13] <S3> gamax92: not a bad idea

L1134[13:33:24] <S3> gamax92: I could reinvent the idea of an MBR

L1135[13:33:30] <S3> and just reserve 4K at the beginning of the disk :P

L1136[13:33:46] <S3> like a chainload EEPROM, but I want to avoid it

L1137[13:34:17] <Sangar> Vexatos, i remember seeing something collection-ish in sugoi's openos rework stuff i think? might want to expand on that unless i'm misremembering

L1138[13:34:24] <Izaya> vifino, a solid idea

L1139[13:35:18] <vifino> Indeed.

L1140[13:35:55] <Vexatos> Sangar, The only Collection you'd ever need in Lua is a table, after all. I'd just think having a stack/deque/queue could be.... convenient? Don't know

L1141[13:36:04] <Vexatos> probably wouldn't ever be worth depending on

L1142[13:36:09] <S3> gamax92: you know what I never looked up, how a legacy BIOS with GPT support handles the boot process when there is a lack of an MBR. how does it bootstrap?

L1143[13:36:22] <gamax92> idunno

L1144[13:36:35] <Sangar> found it, http://git.io/vucDe Vexatos

L1145[13:36:41] <Sangar> it's more operations on tables

L1146[13:36:45] <Sangar> not collections per-se

L1147[13:36:55] <Vexatos> well for that we have Selene

L1148[13:37:01] <gamax92> nobody uses Selene

L1149[13:37:03] <Vexatos> WAY more functions :P

L1150[13:37:10] <Vexatos> gamax92, magik used it once

L1151[13:37:15] <gamax92> once

L1152[13:37:16] <gamax92> used

L1153[13:37:16] <Vexatos> also Cruor pretends not to use it

L1154[13:37:35] <sugoi> ?

L1155[13:37:45] <Sangar> ohai sugoi!

L1156[13:37:54] <Sangar> how's it going? :D

L1157[13:38:04] <sugoi> popen ate my xmas break

L1158[13:38:06] <sugoi> :)

L1159[13:38:09] <sugoi> but it was a ton of fun

L1160[13:38:13] <Sangar> haha, so did btm mine :P

L1161[13:38:17] <sugoi> it's down to 99% done

L1162[13:38:17] <Sangar> ditto

L1163[13:38:18] <vifino> Why does ts use 100% cpu...

L1164[13:38:18] <Vexatos> heh, most of these functions actually are in Selene

L1165[13:38:19] <Vexatos> k

L1166[13:38:30] <Sangar> awesome!

L1167[13:38:33] <Vexatos> <_>

L1168[13:38:43] <Sangar> i'll be starting on porting 1.6 to 1.8 in the next couple of days

L1169[13:38:49] <sugoi> Sangar: i am just leanring that pclose runs the forked child to end with all io reads getting nil for stream closed

L1170[13:38:50] <Vexatos> vifino, whenever I have certain websites open, xorg uses 100% CPU

L1171[13:38:54] <Vexatos> and it's single-threaded

L1172[13:38:56] <Vexatos> i.e. lag

L1173[13:39:11] <CompanionCube> doesn't GPT have a BIOS Boot Partition

L1174[13:39:11] <Vexatos> 10/10 would use X again

L1175[13:39:15] <CompanionCube> for exactly that reason

L1176[13:39:17] <sugoi> Vexatos: what tx method did you have need of?

L1177[13:39:27] <Vexatos> sugoi, need what

L1178[13:39:29] <Vexatos> ;_;

L1179[13:39:40] <Sangar> he's bored and wants to build queues

L1180[13:39:41] <sugoi> tx, transforms -- table methods i'm adding to openos

L1181[13:39:48] <sugoi> ah

L1182[13:39:55] <Sangar> or similar :X

L1183[13:39:58] <vifino> Vexatos: gg

L1184[13:40:11] <Sangar> Vexatos, port tapes to 1.8 if you're bored

L1185[13:40:12] <Vexatos> vifino, I know, right

L1186[13:40:22] <Vexatos> sugoi, nothing, just said all those things are in Selene, too

L1187[13:40:27] <Vexatos> because Sangar pointed me to your code

L1188[13:40:35] <Vexatos> weeeeeeeee

L1189[13:40:44] <Vexatos> better not make OpenOS standards-incompatible kthx

L1190[13:40:57] <Vexatos> and yes, additional functions in table count to that

L1191[13:41:02] <Sangar> quite the opposite is the plan :P

L1192[13:41:03] <sugoi> they're not literally table.methods

L1193[13:41:07] <Vexatos> good

L1194[13:41:26] <sugoi> i may have intercept coroutines :)

L1195[13:41:27] <Vexatos> Sangar, os.loadAPI in ComputerCraft does not count and actually is a good thing? kthen

L1196[13:41:36] <sugoi> but it is heavily tested to be transparent

L1197[13:41:43] <Vexatos> it's called "confusing"

L1198[13:41:44] <Vexatos> :P

L1199[13:41:53] <Sangar> it's a lib >_>

L1200[13:42:11] <sugoi> Sangar: btw, process.info() rocks

L1201[13:42:12] <Sangar> os.loadAPI is mostly terrible because it doesn't behave like require, and partially because it's in os

L1202[13:42:18] <Sangar> much like sleep in oc >_>

L1203[13:42:21] <sugoi> i love it for my coroutine intercept - much better than _G

L1204[13:42:25] <Sangar> :D

L1205[13:42:36] <sugoi> with _G, you break it, yo udie

L1206[13:42:41] <Inari> im confused D:

L1207[13:42:42] <sugoi> with process, you can just yield out

L1208[13:42:47] <sugoi> super nice

L1209[13:42:50] <gamax92> Sangar: inject a virus into OpenOS that migrates legacy code

L1210[13:42:52] <Vexatos> I still think Lua libs should not be touched in OpenOS itself

L1211[13:43:07] * Sangar injects sugoi into OpenOS

L1212[13:43:13] <sugoi> too late

L1213[13:43:13] <Vexatos> It's like findbugs placing itself inside javax

L1214[13:43:22] <Vexatos> confusing as hell

L1215[13:43:36] <gamax92> oc.sleep

L1216[13:43:39] <Inari> why do i get events for a side changing that didnt change

L1217[13:43:40] <sugoi> Vexatos: with my coroutine library, i could implement kill now

L1218[13:43:41] <Inari> pls rs card

L1219[13:43:41] <Vexatos> os.sheep

L1220[13:43:44] <Sangar> Vexatos, wtf did i miss? where does it touch standard libs?

L1221[13:43:54] <Vexatos> Sangar, something something coroutines

L1222[13:43:55] <gamax92> oc.countSheep(20)

L1223[13:43:59] <gamax92> *1 second passes*

L1224[13:44:09] <Sangar> that's transparent

L1225[13:44:14] <Vexatos> gamax92, alternative for i = 1, 20 do os.sleep(1) end

L1226[13:44:16] <Sangar> in the german sense :X

L1227[13:44:23] <sugoi> Vexatos: if it's not transparent, that'sa bug (and let me know)

L1228[13:44:25] <gamax92> but 20 seconds passes then

L1229[13:44:38] <Vexatos> sugoi, you should probably un-lowlevel-ify your docs a little :P

L1230[13:44:51] <sugoi> Vexatos: i'm taking applications

L1231[13:44:58] <Vexatos> <_>

L1232[13:45:08] <gamax92> I'm taking hostages

L1233[13:45:36] <vifino> gamax92: No, you are taking hosts ages.

L1234[13:45:39] <Sangar> D: sugoi, http://git.io/vuc5T such inconsist

L1235[13:45:48] <Vexatos> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

L1236[13:45:50] <Vexatos> ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

L1237[13:45:54] <Sangar> :P

L1238[13:45:54] <Vexatos> that foreach

L1239[13:45:54] * Skye hugs Vexatos

L1240[13:45:58] <Vexatos> so nonstandard

L1241[13:46:01] <Vexatos> I can't

L1242[13:46:02] <Vexatos> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

L1243[13:46:06] * Vexatos ewwwwwwwwwwws along

L1244[13:46:10] * Sangar stabs Vexatos

L1245[13:46:12] <sugoi> Sangar: yeah, i have cleanups to do :)

L1246[13:46:19] * sugoi points to branch name, sh-dev4 :)

L1247[13:46:20] <Sangar> :3

L1248[13:46:25] <Sangar> hehe

L1249[13:46:32] <Vexatos> also wat

L1250[13:46:34] <Vexatos> 'text'

L1251[13:46:34] <Vexatos> wat

L1252[13:46:36] <Vexatos> how

L1253[13:46:46] <Vexatos> D:

L1254[13:46:52] <Sangar> ?

L1255[13:46:56] <Sangar> that's been there forever?

L1256[13:46:58] <Vexatos> ewwwwwwwww

L1257[13:47:04] * Sangar stabs Vexatos some more

L1258[13:47:07] <Vexatos> Sangar, INCONSISTENT!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111one

L1259[13:47:08] <gamax92> Sangar: SH-4 architecture for OC?

L1260[13:47:09] <Sangar> go back to using CraftOS then :P

L1261[13:47:17] <Vexatos> that's much worse though :P

L1262[13:47:19] <gamax92> Sangar: also can we have PowerVR based Graphics Cards?

L1263[13:47:20] <Inari> ~oc redstone

L1264[13:47:21] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:redstone

L1265[13:47:32] <Sangar> gamax92, idk, can we?

L1266[13:47:33] <Inari> im confsued :x

L1267[13:47:34] * Skye hugs Vexatos

L1268[13:47:36] <gamax92> Sangar: you want

L1269[13:47:38] <Vexatos> Sangar, so how about implementing Selene in OpenOs while you're at it

L1270[13:47:40] <sugoi> Sangar: i have a feeeling i'll be just as busy when 1.6 ships as i have been up to now

L1271[13:47:40] * Sangar infuses Inari

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L1273[13:47:50] <gamax92> :o

L1274[13:47:56] <Vexatos> I have a feeling you just want OpenOS to require tier 3 ram D:

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L1276[13:48:10] <Vexatos> Hi skye

L1277[13:48:12] * Vexatos hugs skye

L1278[13:48:20] <Sangar> nah, i just want it pipier :P

L1279[13:48:31] <gamax92> OpenOS better have lower tier modes

L1280[13:48:33] <Sangar> sugoi, haha

L1281[13:48:33] <Vexatos> Sangar, lib.foreach so pipey

L1282[13:48:46] <gamax92> Sangar: remember that time where I had to patch the installer so it would run on T1 >_>

L1283[13:48:53] <gamax92> don't do that again

L1284[13:48:53] <Vexatos> This lib looks amazing as an external lib

L1285[13:48:58] <Vexatos> but please don't put it into OpenOS

L1286[13:49:06] <sugoi> Vexatos: transforms?

L1287[13:49:08] <Sangar> does it even still run on t1?

L1288[13:49:12] <Vexatos> No

L1289[13:49:13] <gamax92> idunno :P

L1290[13:49:16] <Sangar> see :P

L1291[13:49:16] <Vexatos> T1.5 minimum

L1292[13:49:28] <Vexatos> But don't let sugoi make that T2

L1293[13:49:31] <Sangar> embrace the bloat \o/

L1294[13:49:31] <Skye> do I need to start work on MiniOS again?

L1295[13:49:45] <Vexatos> Because otherwise T1 cases are literally positively useless

L1296[13:49:48] <Vexatos> without a custom OS

L1297[13:50:07] <Sangar> eh, as long as no massive data structures are held; code itself isn't very memory hungry

L1298[13:50:11] <Inari> uhhhh

L1299[13:50:13] <Inari> i dont get it

L1300[13:50:14] <Vexatos> sugoi, yea, transforms

L1301[13:50:26] <Vexatos> this looks neat but not like anything that should ever go into OpenOS

L1302[13:50:28] <Vexatos> much like Selene

L1303[13:50:33] <Inari> redstone_changed is ev, addr, side, old, new ?

L1304[13:50:40] <sugoi> Vexatos: i use it a TON in sh parsing

L1305[13:50:49] <Skye> port the text editor to miniOS, then use it? :P

L1306[13:51:01] <Vexatos> well then, don't PR your sh parsing

L1307[13:51:03] <Vexatos> easy enough

L1308[13:51:05] <sugoi> haah

L1309[13:51:10] <Vexatos> sorry, but this is really bad

L1310[13:51:15] <sugoi> Vexatos: for example?

L1311[13:51:16] <Vexatos> 10.2 KB

L1312[13:51:18] <Vexatos> that lib alone

L1313[13:51:31] <Vexatos> OpenOS right now requires T1.5 RAM to launch

L1314[13:51:36] <Vexatos> with this much stuff added

L1315[13:51:40] <Vexatos> it would require T2

L1316[13:51:47] <gamax92> D:< greaser|q you have a pulseaudio wrapper but it does oss

L1317[13:51:48] <Sangar> why are you so sure of that?

L1318[13:51:48] <Vexatos> which means T1 cases WILL NOT EVER run

L1319[13:52:08] <sugoi> Vexatos: i dont think so, but i'll test tonight

L1320[13:52:13] <Vexatos> Sangar, if a single library uses 10kB already?

L1321[13:52:21] <Vexatos> sugoi, make sure to not just launch it but to actually run something >_>

L1322[13:52:34] <sugoi> i'll run my 880 unit tests :)

L1323[13:52:38] <Sangar> i can make a 10 kb lib that uses 10 byte in memory or so. with enough whitespace and comments :P

L1324[13:52:56] <Vexatos> Sangar, this doesn't look like whitespace to me

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L1326[13:52:58] <Skye> the issue is that libraries are not unloaded?

L1327[13:53:04] <Sangar> source code size does not directly correlate to memory usage

L1328[13:53:05] <sugoi> Skye: package.loaded

L1329[13:53:08] <Vexatos> the issue is that these can't be unloaded

L1330[13:53:11] <Sangar> even if it's not whitespace

L1331[13:53:12] <Vexatos> due to being required by sh

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L1333[13:53:25] * Sangar shrugs

L1334[13:53:31] <CompanionCube> why not simply include it on a lootdisk

L1335[13:53:34] <Skye> maybe make it so that libraries get unloaded when there's little free memory?

L1336[13:53:35] <Sangar> just saying should be tested before jumping to conclusions

L1337[13:53:36] <CompanionCube> as a sh 2.0 or something

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L1339[13:53:42] <sugoi> the improvements i've made to sh are pretty awesome, btw

L1340[13:53:42] <Vexatos> Sangar, sure, but loadfile reads the entire file into memory on launch at least once

L1341[13:53:55] <gamax92> make a simple shell, and call it ash

L1342[13:54:07] <Vexatos> CompanionCube, that'd be cool

L1343[13:54:09] <Sangar> no. vsh, the Vexatos shell

L1344[13:54:10] <Vexatos> call it... besh!

L1345[13:54:19] <Vexatos> Better Shell!

L1346[13:54:22] <Vexatos> Such unique

L1347[13:54:25] <Vexatos> very novel

L1348[13:54:27] <gamax92> why not detect how much memory is in the machine and dynamically enable features

L1349[13:54:31] <CompanionCube> besh is already in use

L1350[13:54:34] <Vexatos> It's not

L1351[13:54:35] <Vexatos> :D

L1352[13:54:35] <Skye> sugoi, can you optimise the shell?

L1353[13:54:36] <Vexatos> D;

L1354[13:54:45] <Vexatos> besh disk got removed

L1355[13:54:52] <Vexatos> since besh got merged into OpenOS >_>

L1356[13:55:06] <Sangar> EMBRACE THE BLOODY BLOAT ALREADY \o/

L1357[13:55:09] <gamax92> Sangar:

L1358[13:55:14] <Vexatos> Sangar, no

L1359[13:55:14] <CompanionCube> Sangar, no

L1360[13:55:16] <CompanionCube> bloat is bad

L1361[13:55:17] <Sangar> :P

L1362[13:55:19] <Vexatos> This is it

L1363[13:55:20] <gamax92> ooooh i know

L1364[13:55:22] <Vexatos> OpenOS is bloated

L1365[13:55:24] <Vexatos> everyone know

L1366[13:55:24] <ds84182> BLOAT BOAT

L1367[13:55:24] <sugoi> guys guys

L1368[13:55:27] <Sangar> well, it's not bloat tho, it actually has use, so

L1369[13:55:27] <Vexatos> everyone knows*

L1370[13:55:31] <Vexatos> and it's more or less ok

L1371[13:55:31] <gamax92> with OCEmu, you can check how much memory something is using

L1372[13:55:32] <Skye> sugoi, can you optimise the shell if it's too large?

L1373[13:55:34] <Mimiru> Sangar Gates

L1374[13:55:36] <Vexatos> but you should not intentionally push it

L1375[13:55:39] <Sangar> also it still needs to be proved it's bloat at all

L1376[13:55:44] <Vexatos> and what sugoi is doing IS intentionally bloating it

L1377[13:55:54] <sugoi> seriously - the work i've done for openos is not bloat. i work really hard to compute only what i need to

L1378[13:55:58] * Elizabeth bloats Vexatos

L1379[13:55:59] <Skye> OpenOS is the "Windows" of OC

L1380[13:56:00] <Vexatos> Sangar, it used to run on a single T1 stick. Q.E.D.

L1381[13:56:01] <S3> Okay. I think that's what I'm going to do. I will write the EEPROM to read SOPT 1.1x partition tables, or fallback to a magic number + first 4K of disk.

L1382[13:56:02] <sugoi> Vexatos: wow..ok

L1383[13:56:19] <Vexatos> sugoi, not saying your code is inefficient

L1384[13:56:20] <CompanionCube> why not ship it as part of OpenOS

L1385[13:56:23] <MajGenRelativity> I have a lua question

L1386[13:56:26] <CompanionCube> but not as the default shell

L1387[13:56:26] <Vexatos> I say it's bloaty if put into OpenOS

L1388[13:56:29] <Vexatos> since it does not belong there

L1389[13:56:38] <Sangar> Vexatos, yes, OpenOS also used to suck balls usability wise

L1390[13:56:40] <Vexatos> bloat is stuff inside of a thing that is not really necessary

L1391[13:56:42] <Skye> CompanionCube, so a "low memory" mode?

L1392[13:56:54] <sugoi> Skye: transforms is the core lib text.tokenize uses. which is the basis for sh input parsing

L1393[13:56:58] <Vexatos> sugoi, your shell stuff is awesome

L1394[13:57:01] <CompanionCube> that way you have a 'basic' shell at /bin/sh.lua

L1395[13:57:07] <MajGenRelativity> Is it possible to make the statement "if x~=A AND x~=B AND x~=C then" any shorter?

L1396[13:57:09] <Vexatos> but it simply does not belong into OpenOS natively

L1397[13:57:21] <CompanionCube> and a more advanced shell also installed at say, /bin/bash.lua

L1398[13:57:27] <Vexatos> because it is WAY easier to add code to OpenOS manually/by OPPM/by mpt/by loot disks

L1399[13:57:31] <Vexatos> than it is to remove some

L1400[13:57:35] <Vexatos> so let them have a choice

L1401[13:57:44] <sugoi> Vexatos: thanks, i am trying to say that the user input parsing robustness i've added isn't bloat

L1402[13:57:51] <Sangar> this is what i imagine "what belongs into a linux distribution" flame wa- discussions are like >_>

L1403[13:57:52] <gamax92> looking at stackoverflow stuffs, sees "Please never write Lua in all-caps. It is not an acronym."

L1404[13:57:58] <gamax92> :P

L1405[13:57:59] <sugoi> Sangar: :)

L1406[13:58:06] <Vexatos> Sangar, using linux mint here, can confirm it's bloated as fudge

L1407[13:58:15] <Vexatos> (get it? fudge? Bloated? HAHAHAHAHA ok sorry)

L1408[13:58:24] <gamax92> Vexatos: using ubuntu mate here, can confirm it's not horribly out of date like linux mint

L1409[13:58:29] <S3> Vexatos: Should use FreeBSD :)

L1410[13:58:32] <sugoi> look, i'll test and report

L1411[13:58:33] <MajGenRelativity> I use Windows

L1412[13:58:36] <DeanIsaKitty> Sangar: Eh, if they have a philosophy the wars are rather specific. *cough* debian-live *cough*<.<

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L1414[13:58:43] <Sangar> let's just all use lfs \o/

L1415[13:58:46] <S3> MajGenRelativity: Isn't that some kind of virus?

L1416[13:58:48] <CompanionCube> no

L1417[13:58:56] <MajGenRelativity> S3 no

L1418[13:59:00] <S3> Sangar: I've built LFS by hand several times

L1419[13:59:00] <Vexatos> gamax92, wat, nothing wrong with linux 3.16 and an ibus that makes IDEA crash

L1420[13:59:04] <MajGenRelativity> I armor it with Google Ultron and Adobe Reader

L1421[13:59:05] ⇦ Parts: lperkins2 (~perkins@63.227.187.208) ())

L1422[13:59:06] <CompanionCube> let's all use a hex editor to write an MBR.

L1423[13:59:08] <Inari> so uhhh

L1424[13:59:11] <S3> back when I had a Pentium III

L1425[13:59:14] <CompanionCube> and from there an entire OS.

L1426[13:59:15] <Inari> the only setOutput in my script uses side 5

L1427[13:59:18] <MajGenRelativity> Master Boot Record or a typo of MGR?

L1428[13:59:24] <Inari> but for some reasons i get events for side 4 and side 5 changin to 15

L1429[13:59:25] <Inari> <.<

L1430[13:59:34] <S3> MajGenRelativity: MBR.

L1431[13:59:39] <MajGenRelativity> I thought so

L1432[13:59:39] <Sangar> let's throw out lua and code java bytecode instead, lua is way too bloated anyway

L1433[13:59:50] <MajGenRelativity> Well

L1434[13:59:50] <Vexatos> Sangar, how about ASM

L1435[13:59:57] <MajGenRelativity> I'm just starting to get good at Lua

L1436[13:59:58] <S3> Let's all stop doing that and write in lolcode.

L1437[14:00:03] <MajGenRelativity> lolcode?

L1438[14:00:04] <DeanIsaKitty> Vexatos: Waaaaay to bloated. Real programmers write machine code

L1439[14:00:04] <gamax92> Vexatos: I upgraded to ubuntu mate, and found out that I was relying on several ppa's that gave backported newer stuff for trusty

L1440[14:00:05] <S3> CAN HAS COMPONENT?

L1441[14:00:14] <DeanIsaKitty> S3: KTHXBYE

L1442[14:00:15] <S3> VISIBLE Sangar

L1443[14:00:18] <Sangar> anyway... let's simply not jump to any conclusions yet, kthx

L1444[14:00:19] <S3> GTFO

L1445[14:00:26] <MajGenRelativity> Is it possible to make the statement "if x~=A AND x~=B AND x~=C then" any shorter?

L1446[14:00:35] <DeanIsaKitty> S3: BTW Sangar is useless

L1447[14:00:36] <MajGenRelativity> I do have that serious question

L1448[14:00:44] <MajGenRelativity> I would like to know the answer

L1449[14:00:51] <Sangar> no

L1450[14:00:58] <Vexatos> gamax92, ubuntu m8?

L1451[14:01:00] <sugoi> Vexatos: so the goal is to run openos on a single T1.5 memory stick?

L1452[14:01:04] <gamax92> ubuntu m8

L1453[14:01:10] <Vexatos> sugoi, and to launch legit programs on it

L1454[14:01:13] <MajGenRelativity> sugoi, I did that all the time on my old server

L1455[14:01:21] <Sangar> as in use edit

L1456[14:01:23] <sugoi> the unit test bed is definitely a fair test of that

L1457[14:01:26] <S3> I am a little concerned about memory with OCBSD

L1458[14:01:37] <MajGenRelativity> Snagar, I used edit and stuff on a signle 1.5

L1459[14:01:41] <sugoi> and i'll test edit of the largest files

L1460[14:01:46] <Vexatos> sugoi, use computer.freeMemory()

L1461[14:01:48] <S3> because OCBSD will have a fully featured kobj + VFS setup

L1462[14:01:59] <Vexatos> to see how much it uses

L1463[14:02:05] <sugoi> roger

L1464[14:02:07] <S3> somebody told me they somehow found a way to hack swap into OC

L1465[14:02:08] <Vexatos> meanwhile I'll use it on my instance to see how much it uses without

L1466[14:02:09] <MajGenRelativity> Vexatos, use Chrome.eatMemory(all)

L1467[14:02:12] <S3> I'm curious how that works

L1468[14:02:16] <gamax92> S3: I wouldn't believe them

L1469[14:02:18] <S3> because it seems impossible to me

L1470[14:02:21] <gamax92> same

L1471[14:02:29] <CompanionCube> MajGenRelativity, no need to explicitly call it

L1472[14:02:31] <S3> I think it was Magik6k that said it gamax92

L1473[14:02:35] <Sangar> * use freeMemory 10 or so times with os.sleeps inbetween and take the max to get a reliable value because gc

L1474[14:02:37] <gamax92> Magik6k: oi

L1475[14:02:37] <sugoi> Vexatos: i have a LOT of debug lines in that branch, fyi

L1476[14:02:38] <CompanionCube> it's called automatically by the rendering engine

L1477[14:02:41] <CompanionCube> and fork code

L1478[14:02:47] <gamax92> Sangar: can't you just call the gc

L1479[14:02:50] <S3> swap would be slow but bice

L1480[14:02:51] <S3> nice*

L1481[14:02:56] <Sangar> gamax92, not in the sandbox

L1482[14:02:58] <Vexatos> Sangar, yes

L1483[14:02:58] <S3> to prevent crashes

L1484[14:03:02] <MajGenRelativity> CompanionCube, but I want to call it even more

L1485[14:03:07] <gamax92> Sangar: please expose that

L1486[14:03:17] <CompanionCube> MajGenRelativity, heh

L1487[14:03:25] <S3> That's one thing that irks me a bit

L1488[14:03:35] * CompanionCube managed to break GNU Smalltalk's GC so badly it began to eat all the RAM instead of reclaiming it

L1489[14:03:39] <S3> I see no way to implement memory overflow safety with OCBSD

L1490[14:03:47] <Vexatos> Ok, sugoi, benchmark: launch fresh OpenOS installation, run lua, enter "local m = 0 for i = 1, 10 do m = math.max(m, computer.freeMemory()) end return m"

L1491[14:03:49] * MajGenRelativity gives thumbs up at CompanionCube

L1492[14:04:00] <CompanionCube> it wasn't even that difficult

L1493[14:04:01] <gamax92> S3: you could run a lua vm on lua i guess

L1494[14:04:07] <Vexatos> (amirite sangar >_> )

L1495[14:04:09] <S3> That would be so slow..

L1496[14:04:09] <CompanionCube> all it took was redefining one of the core classes to nil

L1497[14:04:14] <MajGenRelativity> Do any of you work for manyullyn?

L1498[14:04:17] <sugoi> Vexatos: also, for testing, that branch has a LOT of dofile's where they should be requires

L1499[14:04:18] <gamax92> S3: nah, ds did it and it's not that bad

L1500[14:04:21] <S3> and unnecessary

L1501[14:04:24] <MajGenRelativity> Because I could make a kick-ass TACEATS4 with you

L1502[14:04:25] <S3> wut

L1503[14:04:27] <Sangar> Vexatos, print(m)

L1504[14:04:31] <Sangar> i think

L1505[14:04:36] <Sangar> not sure if return works there

L1506[14:04:37] <Sangar> but yeah

L1507[14:04:41] <Vexatos> sugoi, well that'd make your OS use quite a bit less RAM, no?

L1508[14:04:51] <Vexatos> Sangar, return works in the REPL

L1509[14:04:57] <S3> gamax92: if it is quite performant and lightweight, lol then I could run processes inside of that and keep the kernel outside of it

L1510[14:05:00] <Sangar> kthen

L1511[14:05:17] <sugoi> no, libs are still held in package.loaded

L1512[14:05:25] <sugoi> but for testing some libs, i dofile instead

L1513[14:05:32] <sugoi> so, duplicate copies

L1514[14:05:49] <S3> It'd be cool if there was a directory in the config for OC I could just throwe lua C libs in

L1515[14:05:58] <S3> for packages

L1516[14:06:22] <Sangar> someone tried that, it didn't work for some reason even though it should have

L1517[14:06:23] <S3> because then I could implement fork()

L1518[14:07:02] <Cruor> Vexatos: since when did i secretly use selene :I

L1519[14:07:07] <Vexatos> ok, according to the benchmark I have 9kB left right after launch and ~50kB after _gc kicked in

L1520[14:07:24] <S3> however, maybe I should also continue starting on my lua virtualization cpu for OC

L1521[14:07:32] <S3> that could prove useful for parallel stuff

L1522[14:07:39] <Vexatos> actually, 75kB

L1523[14:07:43] <Vexatos> it cleaned a little more

L1524[14:08:01] <Sangar> Vexatos, 64 or 32 bit, for reference

L1525[14:08:06] <Vexatos> 64

L1526[14:08:17] <Vexatos> yup, it balanced out at ~75kB+

L1527[14:08:28] <sugoi> so 75kB free of what?

L1528[14:08:29] <Vexatos> and T1 goes OOM as soon as it enters the shell

L1529[14:08:32] <Vexatos> free wam

L1530[14:08:42] <Vexatos> usable wam

L1531[14:08:43] <sugoi> i mean, of how much total

L1532[14:08:47] <Vexatos> err

L1533[14:08:49] <sugoi> oh oh

L1534[14:09:11] <Vexatos> 262144B

L1535[14:09:18] <Vexatos> sooo

L1536[14:09:25] <Vexatos> .calc 262144 - 75000

L1537[14:09:25] <^v4> Vexatos, 187144

L1538[14:09:31] <Vexatos> it uses around 187kB

L1539[14:09:59] <S3> ds84182:

L1540[14:10:11] <S3> ds84182: You should tell me about this Lua VM?

L1541[14:10:12] <S3> :)

L1542[14:11:23] <ds84182> Uh

L1543[14:11:25] <ds84182> Oh hai

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L1545[14:11:27] <sugoi> Vexatos: if loaded memory is really the issue, /lib/sh is the hog

L1546[14:11:51] <ds84182> S3: It works, but there is some memory bloat since I read bytecode into a table structure in memory

L1547[14:11:53] <sugoi> i'll do some tests, and consider some reductions

L1548[14:12:02] <Vexatos> sugoi, what does your OS say

L1549[14:12:15] <ds84182> It's not a super high level VM either. It integrates with the types from the running Lua VM directly

L1550[14:12:40] <ds84182> Lua 5.1 and Lua 5.2 are supported right now. Lua 5.3 bytecode can be read, but not executed yet

L1551[14:12:41] <sugoi> Vexatos: on free mem? i'm at work and can't test this. i'm only looking at file size atm. /lib/sh.lua is 29K

L1552[14:12:48] <Vexatos> ah

L1553[14:12:49] <sugoi> i know this doesn't map to memory usage exactly

L1554[14:12:55] <sugoi> but it's something to check

L1555[14:13:06] <ds84182> Executing 5.3 bytecode should be easy, you just need to copy 5.2's implementation and add the missing bitwise operators

L1556[14:13:15] <Vexatos> OpenOS' /lib/shell.lua is 5kB

L1557[14:13:17] <Vexatos> soooooooo

L1558[14:13:20] <Vexatos> yea

L1559[14:13:22] <S3> ds84182:

L1560[14:13:25] <Vexatos> :P

L1561[14:13:31] <S3> damn, so definately not usable for running a bunch of processes in an OC?

L1562[14:13:34] <S3> OS*

L1563[14:13:38] <sugoi> but what was 1.5's /bin/sh.lua ?

L1564[14:13:43] <ds84182> S3: Well, it is kinda

L1565[14:13:50] <Vexatos> S3, Inari (I think) showed me this http://d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

L1566[14:14:00] <ds84182> I made an OS some time ago that let me use the VM if enabled in the config

L1567[14:14:07] <Vexatos> sugoi, let me check

L1568[14:14:28] <S3> ds84182: that's what I was thinking of doing

L1569[14:14:38] <ds84182> Other thing is you may be able to get away with preempt multithreadding with the VM, you just need to make sure that you aren't in a place that cannot yield

L1570[14:14:54] <gamax92> the idea is that you could say binary serialize a table off to a file/tape and then unload it from memory while the process isn't being worked on

L1571[14:14:57] <Vexatos> sugoi, 15kB

L1572[14:14:57] <S3> I will continue to spell definately the way it should be spelled, the way my accent works. Thanks :)

L1573[14:15:03] <sugoi> ha...ok

L1574[14:15:07] <Sangar> reminds me of http://shouldiblamecaching.com/ :P

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L1576[14:15:51] <Vexatos> gamax92, swap? >_>

L1577[14:15:58] <sugoi> Vexatos: let me finalize popen (very close) .. and then i'll do some clean up .. and then i'll test and report and look for feedback :)

L1578[14:16:14] <gamax92> Vexatos: ketchup?

L1579[14:16:38] <ds84182> swap is doable with LuaVM :P

L1580[14:16:55] <ds84182> You would just have to dump all the registers, and then dump the program counter

L1581[14:17:27] <gamax92> hmm, swapping out an entire process, guess it's possible too

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L1583[14:18:22] <ds84182> you could just swap out induvidual closures, since LuaVM spawns a new VM instance for each closure

L1584[14:18:23] <gamax92> the only thing I'd worry about regarding unloading tables is references, you'd have to check the registers and do reference checking

L1585[14:18:56] <MajGenRelativity> I want to insert an element into a Lua table at position 1

L1586[14:19:01] <MajGenRelativity> I use table.insert() right?

L1587[14:19:04] <gamax92> yes

L1588[14:19:05] <ds84182> well, closure unloading is problematic due to upvalues

L1589[14:21:09] <MajGenRelativity> can I use table.pack() to make a blank table?

L1590[14:21:38] <vifino> ds84182: I got i3 running on my phone.

L1591[14:21:41] <vifino> 1v1

L1592[14:21:43] <Vexatos> MajGenRelativity, local t = {}

L1593[14:21:52] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: table.pack would give you {n=0} i think, just = {}

L1594[14:22:03] <MajGenRelativity> Ok

L1595[14:22:10] <MajGenRelativity> So local playerTable =

L1596[14:22:16] <MajGenRelativity> {}

L1597[14:22:19] <sugoi> yes

L1598[14:22:26] <Vexatos> Sangar, I'll port Computronics to 1.8 as soon as more than 10% of the mod can actually be ported

L1599[14:22:35] <Vexatos> and as soon as asie rips out another 30%

L1600[14:22:47] <Vexatos> Rest in Pieces, Computronics

L1601[14:22:48] <MajGenRelativity> and then playerTable=table.insert(0, "MajGenRelativity") would insert the value MajGenRelativity at index 0?

L1602[14:22:49] <ds84182> vifino: the fucks an i3

L1603[14:22:53] <asie> Vexatos: it already can

L1604[14:22:55] <Sangar> just make tapes and such standalone already :P

L1605[14:22:57] <asie> the peripherals themselves

L1606[14:22:58] <asie> Sangar: i am!

L1607[14:22:59] * vifino flips ds84182

L1608[14:23:01] <ds84182> ok

L1609[14:23:03] <asie> it's going into CharsetAudio in January

L1610[14:23:07] <asie> they will also be OC-standalone too

L1611[14:23:08] <Sangar> heh

L1612[14:23:08] <vifino> ds84182: i3wm

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L1614[14:23:10] <asie> tho

L1615[14:23:12] <vifino> a tiling window manager

L1616[14:23:13] <Vexatos> along with iron note blocks

L1617[14:23:16] <asie> yes

L1618[14:23:22] <asie> iron note blocks will change completely tho

L1619[14:23:25] <Vexatos> and probably some other things too

L1620[14:23:32] <asie> i also want to implement some of SoniEx2's ideas

L1621[14:23:36] <asie> (i can't believe i just typed that0

L1622[14:23:39] <asie> 0

L1623[14:23:41] <asie> )

L1624[14:23:48] <Vexatos> but I can't port it without some boilerplate lib

L1625[14:23:56] <Vexatos> I don't want to write all that shitty code myself

L1626[14:23:56] <Vexatos> :/

L1627[14:23:56] <asie> merge asielib into computronics

L1628[14:23:59] <asie> then remove the useless stuff

L1629[14:24:03] <asie> as i'm also stealing asielib's chat stuff

L1630[14:24:07] <asie> possibly item name dyeing too

L1631[14:24:10] <Vexatos> chat tweaks?

L1632[14:24:12] <asie> yes

L1633[14:24:18] <asie> rewriting them from scratch tho

L1634[14:24:22] <asie> the codebase sucks really badly

L1635[14:24:26] <asie> and i'd rather have something more like

L1636[14:24:30] <asie> Lua-scriptable chat management

L1637[14:24:35] <asie> afk

L1638[14:24:38] <Vexatos> so uuuh

L1639[14:24:43] <Vexatos> I can remove all the audio stuff, etc

L1640[14:24:46] <Vexatos> so that's good

L1641[14:24:47] <Vexatos> but

L1642[14:24:53] <Vexatos> what about rendering ;_;

L1643[14:25:17] <Vexatos> I have two ISBRHs ;_;

L1644[14:25:23] <Vexatos> Oh wait

L1645[14:25:24] <Vexatos> no

L1646[14:25:30] <Vexatos> one of them can't be ported ye

L1647[14:25:32] <Vexatos> yet*

L1648[14:25:33] <Vexatos> >_>

L1649[14:25:34] <sugoi> Sangar: will i be able to measure from inside openos memory usage per coroutine, or per table?

L1650[14:25:49] <Vexatos> Computronics literally is nothing without all the mod integration and half of its blocks

L1651[14:25:53] <Vexatos> :'(

L1652[14:25:59] <Vexatos> and without CC integration

L1653[14:26:03] <asie> uh

L1654[14:26:07] <asie> camera, radar, etc

L1655[14:26:24] <Sangar> sugoi, nope, just overall

L1656[14:27:23] <sugoi> but asking for free mem n times (~10) and getting max...is sufficient for gc?

L1657[14:27:38] <Vexatos> asie, 6 blocks

L1658[14:27:39] <Vexatos> out of 9

L1659[14:27:40] <Sangar> yeah. iirc every 10th resume it forces a gc

L1660[14:27:45] <gamax92> the 10 times is because every so often that happens ^

L1661[14:27:46] <Vexatos> 30% of the blocks gone

L1662[14:27:55] <Vexatos> together with 95% of mod integration

L1663[14:28:03] <Vexatos> which itself makes 55% of Computronics

L1664[14:28:11] <Vexatos> that together leaves Computronics at around 20%

L1665[14:28:15] <Vexatos> of what it is right now

L1666[14:28:27] <gamax92> Vexatos: OpenTapes

L1667[14:28:28] <sugoi> Skye: what if ...

L1668[14:28:29] <Vexatos> i.e. OC cards/upgrades, 6 blocks, and 3 TIS-3D modules

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L1670[14:29:09] <Sangar> the anatomy of a mod >_>

L1671[14:29:10] <Vexatos> since dan has no plans to port CC to 1.8.8 or 1.8.9 any time soon unless his company pays for it

L1672[14:29:25] <Vexatos> so it would temporarily be a pure OC/TIS-3D addon

L1673[14:29:32] <Vexatos> (and charset wires)

L1674[14:29:40] <sugoi> Skye: right now i'm feeeling less excited about adding rc to openos. if my memory footprint is already bloated, rc will only be worse. BUT -- assuming i add rc and everyone is happy. we could allow some rc init levels special for low mem runtimes

L1675[14:29:42] <`-`> ...whynotOpenCC

L1676[14:29:47] * `-` leaves

L1677[14:29:47] <gamax92> whynotboth

L1678[14:30:03] <Sangar> isn't there a basic rc implementation there already?

L1679[14:30:18] <Sangar> something Wobbo pr-ed a long time ago?

L1680[14:30:21] <gamax92> brb gonna go do illegal things now

L1681[14:30:27] <gamax92> OH NOES CALL DA KAPS ON ME

L1682[14:30:30] <Sangar> have fun

L1683[14:30:36] <sugoi> Sangar: yeah, i just ... well before Vexatos whines (legitimately so) about memory, i had plans to make rc take over boot and such

L1684[14:30:42] <Vexatos> my onion is that anything that could be considered bloat for OpenOS would fit well into plan9k

L1685[14:30:45] <Sangar> ah

L1686[14:30:47] <Vexatos> since that's a full-blown unix anyway

L1687[14:31:02] <Vexatos> and not intended to be used by "noobs"

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L1689[14:31:13] <Vexatos> like the damn DEFAULT RECOMMENDED OS

L1690[14:31:17] <vifino> Vexatos: You have an onion? Cool

L1691[14:31:22] <CompanionCube> sugoi, why not make an expansion-pack of sorts for OpenOS

L1692[14:31:23] <gamax92> also just wondering, what 1.8.8 or 1.8.9 forge version are people devving for?

L1693[14:31:29] <Vexatos> vifino, my o(π)nion

L1694[14:31:31] <sugoi> all i had in mind was 1. sh parsing, 2. popen, and 3. rc

L1695[14:31:43] <sugoi> sh parsing is done and awesome, popen is 99%, rc is not started

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L1697[14:31:56] <Vexatos> sugoi, so what? There is an entire floppy disk containing just a dig program

L1698[14:32:02] <Vexatos> there was one just improving the shell

L1699[14:32:05] <sugoi> well, i have rc wip in a another project -- but prototype really

L1700[14:32:11] <gamax92> I guess I'll just look at OC and see what forge versions it has

L1701[14:32:30] <gamax92> 1.8.8=11.15.0.1653-1.8.8 and 1.8.9=11.15.0.1663

L1702[14:32:32] <sugoi> Vexatos: my point was, i wasn't trying to bloat openos

L1703[14:32:50] <sugoi> to me, those few things were very basic

L1704[14:33:11] <Vexatos> in other news, Computronics just got overpowered http://git.io/vuCY7

L1705[14:33:24] <Vexatos> sugoi, the implementation isn't basic though :P

L1706[14:33:32] <Vexatos> it's like besh

L1707[14:33:37] <Vexatos> besh had pipes before OpenOS had it

L1708[14:33:43] <Vexatos> so it was put on a loot disk

L1709[14:33:50] <Vexatos> since it was considered useful

L1710[14:33:52] <vifino> Vexatos: who needs hard drives anymore!

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L1712[14:34:00] <Vexatos> (that was before OPPM or mpt were a thing)

L1713[14:34:06] <Sangar> and it was horrible because it couldn't hook into the os as deeply as necessary / didn't have the required support from the os

L1714[14:34:06] <Vexatos> vifino, ikr

L1715[14:34:12] <Vexatos> Tapes > HDDs again

L1716[14:34:15] <Vexatos> praise the asie

L1717[14:34:31] <Sangar> egads the powercreep :O

L1718[14:34:57] <Vexatos> I know

L1719[14:35:04] <Vexatos> this is the most overpowered thing in the game

L1720[14:35:06] <Sangar> (lovin' it)

L1721[14:35:07] <Vexatos> by far

L1722[14:35:14] <CompanionCube> no, the most overpowered thing

L1723[14:35:16] <Vexatos> I mean, y u no cache manually

L1724[14:35:28] <CompanionCube> is the 4096k RAM

L1725[14:35:51] <sugoi> Vexatos: let's consider a hypothetical. if i removed all the extra mem cost, why does the correctness of the shell matter to you? why not make it better?

L1726[14:36:16] <Vexatos> sugoi, it's memory

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L1728[14:36:19] <sugoi> i didn't make it work less, just better. like -- you don't need whitespace pipes

L1729[14:36:27] <Vexatos> I don't want a player new to the mod

L1730[14:36:30] <Vexatos> probably used to CC

L1731[14:36:42] <Vexatos> <insert Cruor here>

L1732[14:36:45] <MajGenRelativity> I have a question

L1733[14:36:50] <gamax92> shh

L1734[14:36:55] <MajGenRelativity> How do I get the value of a particular item from a table?

L1735[14:36:57] <sugoi> Vexatos: ok, so it being complex is not the problem, but the memory only?

L1736[14:37:01] <Vexatos> <Cruor> Vexatos: OC is evil :I

L1737[14:37:01] <Vexatos> <Cruor> i had to deal with RAM

L1738[14:37:01] <Vexatos> <Cruor> like wtf

L1739[14:37:11] <Vexatos> and then you aren't even able to run the default OS on the basic computer

L1740[14:37:13] <MajGenRelativity> for instance value at index 1 of table pTable?

L1741[14:37:16] <Vexatos> that's the only issue I have

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L1743[14:37:20] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: pTable[1]

L1744[14:37:25] <gamax92> sugoi: yeah memory is kinda largest concern to be honest :/

L1745[14:37:26] <MajGenRelativity> I thought so

L1746[14:37:30] <Sangar> so you're arguing we should remove power use because people coming from cc aren't used to it? >_>

L1747[14:37:37] <Vexatos> Sangar, no

L1748[14:37:39] <Sangar> (sorry, had to)

L1749[14:37:41] <MajGenRelativity> Snagar, don't remove power use

L1750[14:37:44] <MajGenRelativity> Never remove power use

L1751[14:37:46] <Vexatos> I am arguing that the basic OS has to run at least on the basic Case

L1752[14:37:58] <Vexatos> with sufficient free memory left to do things

L1753[14:38:02] <Vexatos> that's my only concern

L1754[14:38:02] <gamax92> to run edit

L1755[14:38:04] <sugoi> gamax92: i can support that, i was trying to ask if there was a problem Vexatos has with openos have more linux-like behaviors -- or if memory is the only problem

L1756[14:38:04] <Sangar> well, define "deal with ram" then

L1757[14:38:04] <gamax92> :p

L1758[14:38:09] <Sangar> because you'll still need ram

L1759[14:38:19] <Vexatos> Sangar, that was just Cruor muttering, ignore him

L1760[14:38:20] <sugoi> Vexatos: ok cool, i'll look into this

L1761[14:38:22] <Vexatos> he likes your mod

L1762[14:38:33] <gamax92> "> GC overhead limit exceeded" what?

L1763[14:38:37] <Vexatos> sugoi, only memory, pretty much

L1764[14:38:38] <Sangar> :P

L1765[14:38:41] <gamax92> gradle what are you doing

L1766[14:39:00] <Vexatos> I want the default OS to run on a T1 case with enough memory to still do stuff

L1767[14:39:06] <Vexatos> 50kB at least I'd think

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L1769[14:39:26] <Sangar> ok, so. *if* this rework makes things need too much memory - big if - the route will be to try and make it more modular, as in an additional shell next to a primitive one that doesn't even pipe

L1770[14:39:28] <sugoi> what were you saying about 75kB free but OOM on shell?

L1771[14:39:40] <Sangar> and then everyone is happy?

L1772[14:39:44] <Vexatos> Sangar, like the old days :D

L1773[14:39:51] <Sangar> except not on loot disk :P

L1774[14:39:51] <Vexatos> sugoi, T1 OOM on shell

L1775[14:39:55] <sugoi> Sangar: i really want to test and measure first

L1776[14:39:56] <Vexatos> T1.5 has 75k free

L1777[14:40:02] <Deiwos> Does OpenOS not work in a T1 case? I've only gone straight to T3

L1778[14:40:03] <sugoi> before we look for an escape pod

L1779[14:40:04] <Sangar> sugoi, yeah

L1780[14:40:06] <Vexatos> I am saying T1.5

L1781[14:40:08] <Vexatos> since T1 is lost

L1782[14:40:09] <Vexatos> forever

L1783[14:40:10] <Vexatos> RIP

L1784[14:40:13] <Sangar> :3

L1785[14:40:17] <Sangar> t1 is for mcus

L1786[14:40:25] <vifino> Sangar: or... bump all the memories!!!!11111¹¹¹¹

L1787[14:40:26] <Sangar> and drones

L1788[14:40:28] <gamax92> oh right, I was going to work on a table memory calculator

L1789[14:40:30] <Vexatos> i.e. only a crafting item

L1790[14:40:35] <gamax92> to use in ocemu

L1791[14:40:52] <Sangar> vifino, no, please don't play the soni, just, don't :P

L1792[14:41:07] <sugoi> Sangar: i've done no optimizing besides just my own style of things, there has got to be room for cleanup

L1793[14:41:11] <gamax92> sugoi: would you be interested in that?

L1794[14:41:18] <Vexatos> Sangar, how about we add segfaults to Lua as a feature though

L1795[14:41:21] <gamax92> GRADLE FUCKING BUILD

L1796[14:41:22] <vifino> Wow, that was a pretty hard insult, sugoi :<

L1797[14:41:25] <vifino> Sangar*

L1798[14:41:38] <Vexatos> Still better than Sangu

L1799[14:41:39] <Vexatos> ;_;

L1800[14:41:45] <Sangar> sugoi, yeah, just clarifying ram use is the *only* concern here

L1801[14:41:50] <vifino> Sangoi

L1802[14:42:01] <sugoi> gamax92: would be map to os free mem consistently?

L1803[14:42:04] <Vexatos> vifino, there was a person called Sangu in here

L1804[14:42:06] <Vexatos> a few days ago

L1805[14:42:11] <vifino> ahahaha

L1806[14:42:20] <sugoi> gamax92: because absolutely i would. i was going to write a test file to load and unload and test free mem just for that purpose

L1807[14:42:22] <Vexatos> RIP tab complete

L1808[14:42:34] <Sangar> only the lowest of blows

L1809[14:42:39] <Deiwos> Time to /nick Sangan

L1810[14:42:51] <gamax92> sugoi: well, you'd give it a table and it'd kinda calculate how much rams it's using

L1811[14:42:54] * Vexatos is now known as Sangal

L1812[14:42:58] <sugoi> gamax92: also sorry for typos, asking "would it* map"

L1813[14:43:02] <Vexatos> wait

L1814[14:43:02] * Vexatos is now known as SangAI

L1815[14:43:16] <Vexatos> Or Kethtar?

L1816[14:43:18] <Vexatos> U:

L1817[14:43:22] * vifino is now known as Vexatos please stop ok kbai

L1818[14:43:41] <gamax92> lua has duplicate string saving stuffs so that may or may not always be accurate

L1819[14:44:09] <MajGenRelativity> welp

L1820[14:44:09] <sugoi> ok

L1821[14:44:14] <MajGenRelativity> I just invented Skynet

L1822[14:44:30] <MajGenRelativity> more correctly, I invented TACEATS5

L1823[14:44:32] <gamax92> Sangar: help ;-;

L1824[14:44:57] <gamax92> I can't setup a 1.8.8 forge it just errors with "GC overhead limit exceeded" on decompileMc

L1825[14:45:10] <Sangar> gamax92, 64 bit java?

L1826[14:45:20] <Sangar> java 8?

L1827[14:45:26] <gamax92> yes yes

L1828[14:45:29] <sugoi> Vexatos: i lost our chat, too much to read -- so you said your test told you 75kB free

L1829[14:45:29] <Sangar> welp

L1830[14:45:37] <Vexatos> sugoi, yep

L1831[14:45:42] <Sangar> join the club of screwed people over there

L1832[14:45:43] <sugoi> Vexatos: and you want 50kB, so we're .. good?

L1833[14:45:50] <gamax92> Sangar: should i downgrade to java 8

L1834[14:45:50] <Vexatos> I guess

L1835[14:45:52] <gamax92> 7*

L1836[14:45:55] <Vexatos> Selene itself is 50kB

L1837[14:46:00] <Vexatos> and I'd love it to run on T1

L1838[14:46:02] <Sangar> you can try

L1839[14:46:07] <Vexatos> but that's obviously not a requirement :P

L1840[14:46:09] <sugoi> Vexatos: i'll still run my code and do some measurements

L1841[14:46:37] <Vexatos> soo yea, I think 50kB is sufficient for basic programs

L1842[14:46:50] <Sangar> Vexatos, make SeleneOS, just a lua interpreter with selene running it :P

L1843[14:47:10] <sugoi> Vexatos: what about the OOM, what caused that?

L1844[14:47:10] <Vexatos> Sangar, BehindTheMoonOS

L1845[14:47:17] <Vexatos> sugoi, that was the T1 stick

L1846[14:47:20] <sugoi> DarkSideOfTheLua

L1847[14:47:22] <Vexatos> which is lost already

L1848[14:47:26] <sugoi> Vexatos: ok

L1849[14:47:29] <Vexatos> don't mind that poor guy

L1850[14:47:32] <sugoi> how much ram does t1 have?

L1851[14:47:48] <Vexatos> |------------------| this much

L1852[14:47:55] <Sangar> * approximately

L1853[14:47:55] <Vexatos> I think it used to be 128 but I am not sure

L1854[14:48:00] <Vexatos> no wait

L1855[14:48:02] <Vexatos> uuh

L1856[14:48:04] <Vexatos> well maybe

L1857[14:48:28] <Vexatos> or 192?

L1858[14:48:31] <Vexatos> can't remember

L1859[14:48:34] <Vexatos> T1.5 is 256

L1860[14:49:02] <Vexatos> considering openOS apparently uses 187

L1861[14:49:07] <sugoi> maybe i'll write a 'bios' os

L1862[14:49:14] <Vexatos> biOS?

L1863[14:49:20] <gamax92> gayos

L1864[14:49:21] <Vexatos> how about triOS

L1865[14:49:21] <sugoi> JUSt to print free mem

L1866[14:49:25] <Vexatos> adds ternary operators

L1867[14:49:27] <sugoi> and load files

L1868[14:49:30] <gamax92> Vexatos: lol

L1869[14:50:05] <sugoi> so no term

L1870[14:50:12] <sugoi> just some gpu printing

L1871[14:50:26] <sugoi> you want to test another lib load, shutdown, flash the new load instruction, boot

L1872[14:50:28] <sugoi> :)

L1873[14:50:41] <gamax92> Sangar: i fixed it

L1874[14:50:48] <Vexatos> gamax92, There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, those who don't, and those who didn't see a ternary joke coming.

L1875[14:51:01] <gamax92> -Dorg.gradle.jvmargs=-Xmx2G --refresh-dependencies

L1876[14:51:22] <Vexatos> Sangar, I mean I could try porting Computronics

L1877[14:51:28] <Vexatos> as soon as someone finds me boilerplate to use

L1878[14:51:29] <Vexatos> ;_;

L1879[14:51:43] <gamax92> Vexatos: don't worry m8 I may got you covers

L1880[14:51:44] <vifino> -Dorg.gamax.greetperson=vifino --refresh-greeters

L1881[14:51:50] <gamax92> Hey vifino

L1882[14:51:53] <vifino> :D

L1883[14:51:57] <vifino> Hey gamax92! :D

L1884[14:52:19] <Sangar> gamax92, well done!

L1885[14:52:30] <Sangar> Vexatos, tis3d? :P

L1886[14:52:53] <gamax92> fernflower was apparently patched which I may or may not have had in my gradle cache so i did the refresh, and then I set the jvm args anyway

L1887[14:53:37] <Sangar> Vexatos, i like how the ternary variant is apparently more popular than the original by now :X

L1888[14:53:54] <Sangar> (I also like how the joke is extensible ad infinitum)

L1889[14:55:13] <vifino> gamax92: I'm getting a roland audio interface :3

L1890[14:55:36] * vifino had the choice between two audio interfaces he liked, chose roland because roland

L1891[14:56:59] <MajGenRelativity> I have a question

L1892[14:57:02] <MajGenRelativity> I have a table

L1893[14:57:18] <MajGenRelativity> If there is nothing stored at a particular index, shouldn't pTable[compareIndex] return nil?

L1894[14:57:28] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: yes

L1895[14:57:34] <MajGenRelativity> hm

L1896[14:57:34] <Sangar> unless metatable

L1897[14:57:37] <Elizabeth> Mimiru, you about

L1898[14:57:38] <sugoi> :)

L1899[14:57:41] <sugoi> unless metatable :)

L1900[14:57:43] <Elizabeth> Mimiru, you about?

L1901[14:57:46] <MajGenRelativity> Sangar, I don't even know what a metatable is

L1902[14:57:49] <Mimiru> Not really, trying to fix GPU issues

L1903[14:57:52] <MajGenRelativity> I doubt I managed to create it

L1904[14:57:58] <Mimiru> I'm here for about 3 mire minutes though

L1905[14:58:00] <MajGenRelativity> How does one make a table meta?

L1906[14:58:01] <Sangar> MajGenRelativity, it's a table overriding behavior of another table

L1907[14:58:01] <Elizabeth> Mimiru, close enough, where are your mods these days?

L1908[14:58:08] <MajGenRelativity> Sangar, nope

L1909[14:58:12] <Sangar> how: setmetatable

L1910[14:58:14] <MajGenRelativity> pTable isn't remotely meta

L1911[14:58:30] <Mimiru> Elizabeth, curseforge for the most part, the ones that aren't are on ci.pc-logix.com

L1912[14:58:42] <Mimiru> The ones that are on CF redirect you when you try to download them

L1913[14:58:54] <Vexatos> Sangar, ...and those who thought quaternary didn't exist

L1914[14:59:00] <Elizabeth> Mimiru, thanks

L1915[14:59:00] <sugoi> #lua t={'a',[3]='b'} return t[2]

L1916[14:59:01] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1917[14:59:08] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: ^ 1 and 3 are defined, 2 is not

L1918[14:59:17] <sugoi> #lua t={[1]='a',[3]='b'} return t[2]

L1919[14:59:17] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1920[14:59:33] <MajGenRelativity> That would make sense

L1921[15:00:27] <MajGenRelativity> Hmmmmmm

L1922[15:00:28] <sugoi> #lua t=setmetatable({[1]='a',[3]='c'},{__index=function()return 'keynotfound'end})return t[2]

L1923[15:00:28] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to index a nil value (global 't')

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L1926[15:01:50] <Vexatos> Sangar, The things I hate the most are the client-side things

L1927[15:01:55] <Vexatos> rendering, GUIs

L1928[15:02:00] <Vexatos> (and probably networking)

L1929[15:02:02] <MajGenRelativity> sugoi, I have a program at http://pastebin.com/tkXzN7nU

L1930[15:02:15] <MajGenRelativity> I put only my name into playerTable

L1931[15:02:16] <Vexatos> and unfortunately both rendering AND GUIs changed in 1.8

L1932[15:02:23] <Vexatos> so asielib won't save me

L1933[15:02:24] <Vexatos> :(

L1934[15:02:29] <Thutmose> idk, guis didn't change that much

L1935[15:02:33] <MajGenRelativity> As far as the last loop, it runs once, and then crashes with invalid arguement

L1936[15:02:46] <Sangar> Vexatos, yeah, GUIs i fully understand, rendering is... while a lot of rework once, actually a lot nicer in 1.8 imho

L1937[15:02:52] <MajGenRelativity> lua:25 argument #2

L1938[15:02:59] <Vexatos> Sangar, but I don't know how!

L1939[15:03:02] <Thutmose> I think updating the pokecube guis consisted of adding a 0 to some of the constructors for things, and adding throws declarations to some methods

L1940[15:03:12] <Vexatos> I'd have to spend 5 hours learning just to be able to dynamically colour a damn cube

L1941[15:03:29] <MajGenRelativity> I put an if statement at the end that should have broken the loop before the second run, but it seemingly didn't trigger

L1942[15:03:33] <MajGenRelativity> What'd I mess up?

L1943[15:03:40] <Sangar> Vexatos, pester fry :P

L1944[15:03:46] <Sangar> (or asie)

L1945[15:03:58] <Mimiru> Oh man, I think I can count the pixels in my current resolution

L1946[15:04:07] <asie> Vexatos: uhh

L1947[15:04:21] <asie> i'm also stealing the colorful lamp

L1948[15:04:25] <asie> as i'm making an rp2-esque lamp module

L1949[15:04:28] <Vexatos> take this http://git.io/vuCBX, remove .audio, .tweak, .chat and that's it probably

L1950[15:04:32] <asie> i'm also adding the colorful flat flamp

L1951[15:04:34] <Vexatos> OH LOOK, ANOTHER BLOCK GONE

L1952[15:04:42] <Vexatos> NOW IT'S ONLY FIVE

L1953[15:05:00] <Vexatos> inb4 asie steals cipher block because it's most useful with bundled redstone anyway

L1954[15:05:02] <asie> is it stealing if it's my stuff to begin with?

L1955[15:05:04] <asie> also no

L1956[15:05:07] <Vexatos> It is not

L1957[15:05:15] <asie> the only people who care about it are the starchasers

L1958[15:05:18] <asie> and tbh they can code their own

L1959[15:05:21] <asie> so they'll steal it from you

L1960[15:05:22] <Vexatos> I am just saying I would have to rewrite more boilerplate than the mod would bring contents

L1961[15:05:24] <asie> instead of me

L1962[15:05:31] <Vexatos> how nice to know

L1963[15:05:35] <asie> let's see what's left

L1964[15:05:41] <asie> i might as well take the chat box if i'm taking everything

L1965[15:05:56] <Temia> What's asie working on now? o.o

L1966[15:05:57] <asie> leaves the camera, the cipher block, the radar, and the railcraft stuff

L1967[15:05:57] <Vexatos> morse-code chat message synthesis

L1968[15:06:05] <asie> AND

L1969[15:06:05] <Vexatos> railcraft stuff gone because 1.8

L1970[15:06:07] <asie> a million cards

L1971[15:06:10] <asie> AND

L1972[15:06:12] <asie> a million turtles

L1973[15:06:16] <Vexatos> gone because 1.8.8

L1974[15:06:19] <asie> uh, no

L1975[15:06:26] <asie> all of the cards can be ported righ tnow

L1976[15:06:29] <asie> including the drone docking station

L1977[15:06:32] <asie> because 1.8.8

L1978[15:06:34] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: you start compareIndex to 1 on line 10

L1979[15:06:38] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: and never reset it

L1980[15:06:42] <asie> also

L1981[15:06:44] <Temia> Ah, porting Computronics?

L1982[15:06:47] <asie> all of the turtles, when CC moves (not too long)

L1983[15:06:48] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: advice: decalre+initialize variables close to where they are needed

L1984[15:06:54] <Vexatos> <Vexatos> since dan has no plans to port CC to 1.8.8 or 1.8.9 any time soon unless his company pays for it

L1985[15:06:57] <asie> and also Charset computer compat

L1986[15:07:03] <asie> Vexatos: then everyone will move to OC

L1987[15:07:06] <MajGenRelativity> sugoi, I want compareIndex to start at 1

L1988[15:07:09] <Vexatos> No

L1989[15:07:09] <asie> and you will be able to kill CC compat once and for all

L1990[15:07:12] <asie> and we will

L1991[15:07:14] <asie> rule the world

L1992[15:07:14] <Vexatos> Oddstr13 won't move from 1.8

L1993[15:07:16] <Vexatos> until CC does :P

L1994[15:07:17] <MajGenRelativity> and then I want it to advance

L1995[15:07:20] <MajGenRelativity> OH

L1996[15:07:21] <Sangar> MUHAHAHAHAHA

L1997[15:07:22] <asie> Vexatos: they said the same about RP2

L1998[15:07:25] <asie> remember?

L1999[15:07:25] <MajGenRelativity> OH I KNOW

L2000[15:07:27] <asie> Kappa

L2001[15:07:30] <Sangar> [/obligatory]

L2002[15:07:32] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: yes, but you don't reset it. you increment on line 28

L2003[15:07:34] <Vexatos> asie, :mappa

L2004[15:07:35] * MajGenRelativity facepunches

L2005[15:07:35] <asie> someone will just clone CC

L2006[15:07:41] <asie> you know, a certain German pirate

L2007[15:07:41] <Vexatos> and dan will sue them

L2008[15:07:44] <MajGenRelativity> I need to reset it if I break the loop!

L2009[15:07:44] <asie> Kappa

L2010[15:07:47] <Vexatos> MCEdu will sue them*

L2011[15:07:54] <Vexatos> no wait

L2012[15:07:57] <Vexatos> dan owns it

L2013[15:07:58] <Sangar> inb4 oc dmcaed

L2014[15:08:04] <Vexatos> dan will sue them using MCEdu money

L2015[15:08:09] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: you should use ipairs

L2016[15:08:14] <asie> oh! Vexatos

L2017[15:08:17] <asie> also

L2018[15:08:19] <asie> you can port flamingo compat

L2019[15:08:19] <MajGenRelativity> sugoi, what?

L2020[15:08:24] <MajGenRelativity> What are ipairs?

L2021[15:08:25] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: 'you should' sounds very pedantic, sorry. but i recommend you use ipairs

L2022[15:08:28] <Vexatos> asie, true :/

L2023[15:08:31] <asie> and storage drawers cmpat

L2024[15:08:37] <Vexatos> asie, you ported Flamingo to 1.8.9 yet?

L2025[15:08:40] <asie> and betterstorage crates once charset gets them

L2026[15:08:43] <asie> Vexatos: 1.8.8 == 1.8.9

L2027[15:08:46] <Vexatos> orly

L2028[15:08:46] <asie> 1.8.9 adds 1 bugfix and twitch support

L2029[15:08:48] <asie> err

L2030[15:08:51] <asie> realms update

L2031[15:08:53] <asie> and 1 bugfix.

L2032[15:08:55] <asie> yeah

L2033[15:08:59] <asie> so... even the mappings are identical

L2034[15:09:02] <asie> :D

L2035[15:09:03] <asie> well, with srg, anyway.

L2036[15:09:09] <Vexatos> twitchplaysasiestreamingminecraftontoanocscreen

L2037[15:09:13] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.3/manual.html#pdf-ipairs and http://www.lua.org/pil/7.3.html

L2038[15:09:23] <sugoi> MajGenRelativity: consider:

L2039[15:09:27] <asie> but yeah Vexatos

L2040[15:09:32] <asie> there's quite a lot of stuff staying in computronics

L2041[15:09:34] <asie> as you can see

L2042[15:09:35] <Vexatos> asie, you are talking about all the fun things

L2043[15:09:37] <asie> even now

L2044[15:09:40] <asie> and railcraft will port eventually

L2045[15:09:40] <Vexatos> yea, 20% of the mod roughly

L2046[15:09:42] <asie> i would do it but it's not FOSS

L2047[15:09:46] <Sangar> realms with forge support when?

L2048[15:09:49] <Vexatos> but I'd need about as much boilerplate

L2049[15:09:53] <Vexatos> and I do not want to do that

L2050[15:09:54] <sugoi> #lua t={'sugoi','Vexatos','your mom'} for i,name in ipairs(t) do print(name) end

L2052[15:09:56] <gamax92> well that's great, eclipse is unusable

L2053[15:10:00] <Vexatos> It's just BLEARGH

L2054[15:10:06] <gamax92> it's tooltips are black, which black text on black background = black

L2055[15:10:50] <asie> also, Vexatos

L2056[15:10:53] <asie> new mods to add APIs to

L2057[15:10:54] <asie> such as Charset

L2058[15:10:57] <asie> or https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/3zgf4v/rftools_189420beta2_released/

L2059[15:13:45] <Temia> Wait, mcJty ported the RF API to 1.8?

L2060[15:15:20] <Sangar> well, there's been a... "official by consensus" rf api on 1.8 since forever :P (progressive automation and oc being the first to use it i think)

L2061[15:15:23] <gamax92> hmm, being told to downgrade to Eclipse luna instead of marse

L2062[15:15:49] <Temia> Oh.

L2063[15:15:58] <Temia> I was not in fact aware.

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L2065[15:16:34] <Temia> Last I heard, all power management in OC was still disabled for 1.8

L2066[15:17:34] <Thutmose> OC still needs power in 1.8.9 if a mod has a generator

L2067[15:18:19] <Sangar> Temia, http://git.io/vuCzU

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L2069[15:18:29] <Sangar> march '15 :3

L2070[15:18:53] <Temia> I really need to pay attention.

L2071[15:18:54] <Temia> c.c;

L2072[15:19:11] <Sangar> hehe

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L2074[15:38:44] <CompanionCube> https://dzone.com/articles/a-qa-with-haiku-developer-waddlesplash

L2075[15:41:26] <vifino> Does waddlesplash waddle his paddle to haiku?

L2076[15:41:38] <Antheus|School> http://imgur.com/qzvfBXD Izaya

L2077[15:43:38] <Antheus|School> Yes.

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L2082[15:50:27] <Inari> hrm

L2083[15:50:35] <Inari> either this is a bug or im doing something wrong

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L2085[15:51:58] <minetech48> hello

L2086[15:52:46] <minetech48> goodbye

L2087[15:53:04] <Inari> http://akari.in/pinky_SjbfP im only toggling and using setOutput for side 5 :/

L2088[15:53:44] <Inari> http://akari.in/pinky_sCsKr <- thats the setup, 4 is left, right is 5..

L2089[15:54:03] <Inari> also despite it claiming 15 RS, waila says 10

L2090[15:54:14] <Inari> on side 4 that is

L2091[15:55:54] <vifino> Gotta love people who say they want to talk, and if you say "sure", they reply with "since you clearly don't want to, bye."

L2092[15:56:06] <vifino> %flip everything except Elizabeth

L2093[15:58:47] <Inari> ~oc redstone

L2094[15:58:47] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:redstone

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L2096[15:59:41] <Inari> oh..

L2097[16:00:01] <Antheus|School> Oh?

L2098[16:01:02] <Inari> hm no that cant be it

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L2101[16:02:33] <Temia> Bleh.

L2102[16:02:50] <Antheus|School> Blarg

L2103[16:02:53] <Temia> I really wish II redstone connectors had a bundled cable interface for OC. .-.

L2104[16:03:24] <Inari> eh, I'll open a ticket on it

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L2132[16:05:52] <^v> Oh noes! anarchy split 3:

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L2134[16:06:42] <cloakable> woop

L2135[16:07:46] <MajGenRelativity> sugoi, thanks for all your help

L2136[16:07:50] <Elizabeth> Temia, II's redstone stuff can support bundled cable from P:Red and probably others. though if you asking for direct stuff it doesn't sadly

L2137[16:07:50] <sugoi> np

L2138[16:07:53] <MajGenRelativity> I can now read and write from a file

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L2140[16:08:18] <MajGenRelativity> now, I can finally edge on to rolling out TACEATS1

L2141[16:08:23] <Temia> Yeah, that's my problem .-.

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L2164[16:25:00] <MajGenRelativity> sugoi, is there an easy way to tell if there is any more characters left in a file?

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L2166[16:29:08] <gamax92> sugoi: lua and memory usage is weird .-.

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L2169[16:30:56] <gamax92> you'd think that {1} and {[1]=1} would give the same usage result but instead I get 72 and 96

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L2172[16:31:35] <gamax92> the 96 makes more sense than the 72

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L2174[16:34:05] <S3> foobar[0]

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L2176[16:35:24] <gamax92> and then something like {q=1,e=1} gives 188 which makes sense: unique strings so 45+string length, numbers so 20, table so 56

L2177[16:35:28] <gamax92> #lua 56+46*2+20*2

L2178[16:35:28] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 188

L2179[16:35:42] <gamax92> but then {q=1,e=1,h=1} is 294 and not 254

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L2181[16:37:57] <greaser|q> the reason for the extra bytes is because it's assuming you want it on the hash table rather than on the array

L2182[16:38:28] <greaser|q> well for {1} and {[1]=1} anyway

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L2186[16:42:20] <MajGenRelativity> well

L2187[16:42:26] <MajGenRelativity> this program be brokeded

L2188[16:42:32] <MajGenRelativity> Time to take a rest

L2189[16:43:38] <gamax92> greaser|q: :/

L2190[16:44:51] <greaser|q> as for {q=1,e=1,h=1} i'm guessing it's allocating extra space for nulls in the hash table

L2191[16:46:26] <greaser|q> MajGenRelativity: i'm guessing there's an fp:eof(), otherwise just do a read and if it's nil or "" then you're at the end

L2192[16:46:39] <greaser|q> fp:eof() itself doesn't exist but there may be some feof equivalent

L2193[16:46:58] <Sangar> read() returning nil means eof

L2194[16:47:11] <MajGenRelativity> well the problem with doing a read is how to check for nil and if it isn't nil then storing that

L2195[16:48:04] <greaser|q> local s = fp:read(len); if s then store(s); else dont_store(s); end

L2196[16:48:21] <greaser|q> note that nil and false are the only values that are false, everything else is true

L2197[16:50:49] <MajGenRelativity> greaser|q thank you

L2198[16:50:53] <MajGenRelativity> that is an excellent idea

L2199[16:51:19] <MajGenRelativity> I shall implement it tomorrow

L2200[16:51:33] <gamax92> "Thanking you sooo much. May you have 20 wives and 64 children."

L2201[16:51:36] <gamax92> wat

L2202[16:51:50] <MajGenRelativity> and then I need to fix a couple of other bugs, and TACEATS1 will be ready for distrobution

L2203[16:51:57] <MajGenRelativity> distribution*

L2204[16:54:49] <Inari> gamax92: ew children

L2205[16:55:03] <greaser|q> MajGenRelativity: what *is* TACEATS1 anyway

L2206[16:55:29] <MajGenRelativity> Total Area Computing Environment And Tactical System

L2207[16:55:41] <MajGenRelativity> A.K.A. the end of PvP and the beginning of PvC

L2208[16:57:09] <MajGenRelativity> greaser|q you have helped bring about my rise to power

L2209[16:57:10] <MajGenRelativity> sort of

L2210[16:57:22] <gamax92> Inari: Javascript won't let an element commit suicide, but it does permit infanticide

L2211[16:58:07] <MajGenRelativity> more like my important bases can't be defeated

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L2213[16:59:44] <S3> I am really mad at the kxstudio project

L2214[16:59:55] <S3> because their cross platform code is crap

L2215[17:00:05] <S3> I can't compile carla on FreeBSD because of it :P

L2216[17:01:21] <MajGenRelativity> eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy it's S3

L2217[17:02:25] <gamax92> S3: What about kX audio

L2218[17:02:55] <S3> ?

L2219[17:02:59] <vifino> S3: jack on freebsd must suck regardless.

L2220[17:03:04] <vifino> after all OSS.

L2221[17:03:13] <S3> there is tons of oss support for jack

L2222[17:03:26] <vifino> oss is bad and you should feel bad.

L2223[17:03:27] <S3> you pretty much do it the same way as alsa

L2224[17:03:29] <S3> with oss2jack

L2225[17:03:30] <S3> etc

L2226[17:03:47] <S3> well I dunno, sometimes I like it better than alsa

L2227[17:03:56] <gamax92> /dev/dsp

L2228[17:04:05] <vifino> gamax92: /dev/dsp4.0

L2229[17:04:09] <S3> but the thing is Jack is different. Jack is an audio over ethernet router

L2230[17:04:10] <gamax92> D:<

L2231[17:04:21] <S3> jack doesn't need a sound card to transmit or route sound

L2232[17:04:22] <vifino> >audio over ethernet router

L2233[17:04:25] <S3> or any sound hardware

L2234[17:04:26] <vifino> >ethernet

L2235[17:04:31] <gamax92> >net

L2236[17:04:32] <S3> which is nice

L2237[17:04:44] <vifino> S3: jack has nothing to do with ethernet.

L2238[17:04:51] <S3> vifino: shush :)

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L2240[17:05:04] <vifino> JACK is an audio *server*.

L2241[17:05:30] <gamax92> vifino: it was an example, calm yo self

L2242[17:05:33] <vifino> S3: last time i tried jack on freebsd it just segfaulted trying to initialize.

L2243[17:05:33] <S3> vifino: whatever you say, I know that, I -am- using it as a drop in replacement for hardware audio over ethernet

L2244[17:05:41] <vifino> .-.

L2245[17:05:44] <vifino> netjack?

L2246[17:05:46] <S3> I have it running over a network of machines with VST and etc all interconnected over the network

L2247[17:05:49] <S3> :)

L2248[17:05:55] <S3> and the latency is unbelievably low

L2249[17:05:59] <vifino> Of course.

L2250[17:06:05] <S3> then again, I'm also not using wireless..

L2251[17:06:15] <vifino> But really, netjack?

L2252[17:06:16] <gamax92> I am using wireless and pulse, what is wrong with me

L2253[17:06:19] <greaser|q> jack on freebsd is fine

L2254[17:06:24] <S3> what I want to do

L2255[17:06:31] <greaser|q> it's better than pulseaudio on freebsd

L2256[17:06:31] <S3> is get it working on Xen

L2257[17:06:35] <S3> in virtualization

L2258[17:06:37] <greaser|q> which oddly enough is better than pulseaudio on linux

L2259[17:06:56] <vifino> greaser|q: Pulseaudio doesn't set the standart pretty high. >_>

L2260[17:06:58] <greaser|q> but as we already have kernel-mixed OSS there's no real reason to use pulseaudio other than "this particular piece of shit uses it"

L2261[17:07:00] <S3> greaser|q: an issue I had is that I wanted to compile carla on freebsd

L2262[17:07:04] <S3> but the code is junk

L2263[17:07:07] <greaser|q> >standart

L2264[17:07:09] <greaser|q> GERMAN DETECTED

L2265[17:07:19] <vifino> Deal with it.

L2266[17:07:21] <vifino> ¬_¬

L2267[17:07:23] <S3> carla is amazing

L2268[17:07:29] <vifino> S3: Claudia > carla

L2269[17:07:40] <greaser|q> then again english is something like 26% german anyway

L2270[17:07:50] <S3> I played with claudia

L2271[17:07:50] <gamax92> garten

L2272[17:07:53] <Negi> vifino: Claudia as in the audio software?

L2273[17:07:53] <S3> I didn't like claudia at all

L2274[17:08:14] <vifino> Negi: Claudia as in the ladish version of catia as in jack patchbay.

L2275[17:08:18] <Negi> Yeah.

L2276[17:08:20] <gamax92> S3: question, if I want to route audio output of my computer to my phone, how do

L2277[17:08:21] <Negi> Blech.

L2278[17:08:32] <vifino> S3: But ladish ._.

L2279[17:08:46] <S3> I know I know

L2280[17:08:49] <greaser|q> hmm i wonder if simplescreenrecorder has a port, i had to do a few fixes to it (disable some linux-specifics and with help from the lead dev massage the C++ into working with clang)

L2281[17:09:04] <S3> gamax92: to your phone? you're probably screwed

L2282[17:09:05] <S3> :P

L2283[17:09:15] <S3> Why would you want to do that?!

L2284[17:09:26] <gamax92> pocket headphones

L2285[17:09:35] <S3> vifino: what I was thinking of doing is hooking up our asterisk box to the jack server

L2286[17:09:47] <S3> and routing in certain extensions to event inputs

L2287[17:09:49] <greaser|q> gamax92: rtmp streaming or some shit like that

L2288[17:09:57] <S3> and allow for SIP control of Jack

L2289[17:09:59] <gamax92> i tried and failed to do that

L2290[17:10:11] <greaser|q> got ffmpeg? it *might* let you do it

L2291[17:10:12] <vifino> Oh, yeah, since some cool people seem to be using jack here, https://github.com/vifino/k20 </almostshamelessplug>

L2292[17:10:20] <S3> gamax92: you're better off just streaming audio from your desktop over OBS :P

L2293[17:10:33] <S3> and logging your phone onto it

L2294[17:10:35] <Negi> vifino: Now with 2% shame!

L2295[17:10:48] <vifino> Negi: More like 3%. ._.

L2296[17:10:50] <greaser|q> it's so fucking annoying that redhat don't realise that the solution for a good desktop sound system is jack, not fucking pulse

L2297[17:10:58] <vifino> ^

L2298[17:10:59] <vifino> ^^^^

L2299[17:11:12] <vifino> Like holy shit, I have pulse breaking all the time.

L2300[17:11:16] <Negi> tho mixing

L2301[17:11:19] <vifino> You configure jack once and it never breaks.

L2302[17:11:20] <vifino> :v

L2303[17:11:21] <S3> That's another thing I like about jack, jack stays out of your frigging way

L2304[17:11:28] <vifino> ^

L2305[17:11:29] <S3> Jack doesn't really interferer

L2306[17:11:32] <S3> interfere*

L2307[17:11:36] <S3> it's like, a sidechain

L2308[17:11:37] <greaser|q> it just needs a simple wrapper lib to let you read/write in integer formats

L2309[17:11:42] <greaser|q> and resample

L2310[17:11:50] <greaser|q> i have one but the resampling is just ZOH

L2311[17:12:31] <vifino> S3: I have my asterisk box with crazy routing and lua dialplan, I'm up for that.

L2312[17:12:59] <greaser|q> tbh jack could do with one addition to the API: allow marking ports as "if someone out there is listening, just hook me up to system in/out"

L2313[17:13:00] <vifino> Though, I may have broken a few things in the process.

L2314[17:13:01] <vifino> Oops.

L2315[17:13:18] <gamax92> greaser|q: i mean i did it successfully but the latency was much worse than my current setup (80ms)

L2316[17:13:18] <S3> You may sometimes need speical software (which is easy to get) to get non jack compatible applications to work with jack (like alsa2jack, jack2alsa, asiobridge, etc) ... but nothing in Jack will ever prevent your programs from directly writing to the hardware if it really wanted to

L2317[17:13:21] <greaser|q> it's ultimately up to whatever daemon's noseying around

L2318[17:13:22] <S3> which is nice

L2319[17:13:37] <gamax92> S3: can you do jack2alsa on top of alsa2jack

L2320[17:13:48] <S3> I believe kxstudio does that

L2321[17:13:52] <S3> for you

L2322[17:13:56] <S3> but kxstudio is ubuntu :(

L2323[17:14:02] <greaser|q> y'know the laggiest thing i have ever seen on jack?

L2324[17:14:08] <gamax92> pulse?

L2325[17:14:10] <greaser|q> it introduces >1 second of audio lag

L2326[17:14:12] <S3> 5000 VST plugins?

L2327[17:14:15] <greaser|q> that

L2328[17:14:25] <greaser|q> the jack module for pulse

L2329[17:14:29] <gamax92> XD

L2330[17:14:43] <S3> I use JACK for streaming and stuff, I get about a 300ms delay at most with like 20 VST plugins. I'm not worried. It doesn't matter

L2331[17:14:45] <Negi> Pulse itself is so slow a snail would beat it.

L2332[17:14:53] <S3> if you're streaming and recording a little bit of latency is meh

L2333[17:15:02] <greaser|q> it's also amusing how pulse defaults to "fucktons of lag"... you can make it not lag, but you can't make it consistently work without fucking up

L2334[17:15:13] <greaser|q> oh yeah S3 have you patched your JACK so that OSS doesn't wrap when it peaks

L2335[17:15:20] <greaser|q> or did they fix that on upstream

L2336[17:15:29] <vifino> S3: I run with like 5ms on intel hda. On a laptop.

L2337[17:15:39] <S3> I haven't been able to get jack really going on FreeBSD yet greaser|q

L2338[17:15:41] <vifino> God bless the audio part of this macbook. \o/

L2339[17:15:48] <S3> vifino: yeah it's usually really low

L2340[17:15:56] <greaser|q> qjackctl makes things easier

L2341[17:16:06] <S3> vifino: I think on windows my 300 ms latency might be frigging asiobridge or some shit

L2342[17:16:09] <vifino> Like intel hda? This is like... audio interface level.

L2343[17:16:12] <greaser|q> i think i can get it below 5ms if i try and if i'm not using autotalent

L2344[17:16:23] <S3> because carla is showing that jack is super responsive

L2345[17:16:30] <S3> I don't even notice the delay inside of the vst plugins

L2346[17:16:31] <greaser|q> i've yet to get sound out of the HDA directly but i did roughly try once

L2347[17:16:44] <S3> I really need a line level audio input card

L2348[17:16:50] <S3> but I have not found any pcie ones

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L2350[17:16:57] <S3> my desktop has no PCI slots, just pcie

L2351[17:17:00] <greaser|q> i have a very basic kernel which is for experimenting with the intel genx GPUs

L2352[17:17:01] <vifino> S3: I attached a cheap ass guitar to my laptop and connected it to my headphones, I thought it didn't work. Why? Because it was instant.

L2353[17:17:04] <gamax92> oh right forgot to mention

L2354[17:17:07] <greaser|q> (basically GMA and up)

L2355[17:17:12] <S3> so if somebody can find me a line level input card I will be so happy

L2356[17:17:23] <vifino> er

L2357[17:17:24] <greaser|q> all i've had success with wrt the HDA so far is reading the wallclock register

L2358[17:17:25] <gamax92> this is SoundWire over Android USB tether

L2359[17:17:28] <S3> I have seen ones with XLR connections for PCI and PCIxin the past

L2360[17:17:28] <vifino> cheap ass guitar interface*

L2361[17:17:30] <gamax92> which gives 50ms

L2362[17:17:32] <vifino> the guitar was expensive xD

L2363[17:17:33] <S3> PCIx*

L2364[17:18:03] <S3> I have to fiddle with my live rack so much

L2365[17:18:19] <greaser|q> tbh if you want 5ms latency on an android you're gonna need root and you're gonna have to go pretty close to the metal

L2366[17:18:20] <S3> because consumer level audio cards are crap

L2367[17:18:44] <vifino> greaser|q: I may do that.

L2368[17:18:48] <greaser|q> my raspi has an issue with jack where it usually just bus errors when i load it

L2369[17:18:57] <greaser|q> but when it isn't doing that it works alright

L2370[17:19:01] <vifino> I got alpine linux on my phone and a patched sound thing with all the alsa stuffs you could ever want.

L2371[17:19:15] <vifino> So... let's run jack

L2372[17:19:16] <vifino> !

L2373[17:19:21] <S3> I could get a USB audio card that is line level.. maybe that's what I should do. I could throw in a live recorder into my rack that has USB and can do live passthrough

L2374[17:19:29] <gamax92> greaser|q: how possible would it be to do Intel HDA on DOS and emulate other cards

L2375[17:19:29] <S3> and then snake a long usb cable to my computer

L2376[17:19:29] <greaser|q> raspis are actually pretty good for audio really

L2377[17:19:37] <S3> whatta ya think of that idea?

L2378[17:19:48] <vifino> greaser|q: Not... really.

L2379[17:20:03] <S3> I can throw it on the seccond output of my compressor

L2380[17:20:05] <greaser|q> gamax92: not sure, you'd probably need to get a V86 monitor for the 16-bit realmode stuff and a whole DPMI server for the 32-bit protmode stuff

L2381[17:20:18] <vifino> Well, not the worst, but definitly not good from the integrated audio part.

L2382[17:20:25] <S3> that way it won't bother the amplifier

L2383[17:20:26] <vifino> Holy shit is that part picky.

L2384[17:20:40] <greaser|q> V86 monitors are... not terribly hard, but you do need to get into protected mode first and that's kinda fiddly

L2385[17:20:47] <greaser|q> also you need an opcode reference handy

L2386[17:21:07] <gamax92> I'm not writing that any time soon :P

L2387[17:21:19] <greaser|q> oh yeah, and don't expect to have working OPL2/3 emulation, that's a royal pain in the arse

L2388[17:21:25] <gamax92> definitely no

L2389[17:21:29] <S3> something like this might work: http://proav.roland.com/products/ar-3000sd/

L2390[17:21:47] <gamax92> was talking about the not synth part of a SB16, something like that

L2391[17:21:47] <S3> if I could get live output on USB I'll be all set

L2392[17:21:50] <greaser|q> if you want to do this for impulsetracker, grab the source code and a version of tasm that'll compile the damn sound drivers

L2393[17:22:02] <vifino> I'll be getting a roland quad capture soonish, I'm gonna pray it'll work under alsa.

L2394[17:22:06] <greaser|q> and then start chipping away at getting the HDA working

L2395[17:22:12] <vifino> If so, hooray!

L2396[17:22:26] <S3> heh.

L2397[17:22:36] <S3> vifino: how different is that from something like this?

L2398[17:22:42] <greaser|q> well ok you'd probably want to do the testing in a separate project

L2399[17:23:19] <S3> vifino: I'm for one really tired of using the mic and line in of my sound card. I have to turn down the gain like crazy so I don't blow the PCM

L2400[17:23:29] <greaser|q> but once you've had some success you could just copy the SB16 drivers (you'll probably want to fuck with the MMX mixer enabled one so you can get resonant filters) and replace the SB16-specifics with HDA-specifics

L2401[17:23:32] <S3> which decreases my S/N

L2402[17:23:38] <S3> because I have to turn it back up from my computer

L2403[17:23:57] <S3> which 99% of all the noise I have on my signal is in the damned sound card of my computer .. sheesh, consumer audio cards suck :)

L2404[17:24:42] <S3> I have a fantastic S/N on my IRL live rack, and my compressor takes any else away with the expander

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L2406[17:25:00] <gamax92> greaser|q: oh you mean in impulse tracker

L2407[17:25:02] <greaser|q> yeah

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L2409[17:25:12] <greaser|q> it's open source since end of last year

L2410[17:25:17] <vifino> S3: Quad capture is tiny, non-rackmount, has only few IO (two combi input plug things for xlr and 6.3 mm mono, two out 6.3mm mono, two digital)

L2411[17:25:20] <vifino> plus midi in out

L2412[17:25:28] <S3> Ah

L2413[17:25:40] <S3> I wouldn't mind a non rack mount except that I have an audio rack

L2414[17:25:43] <S3> so it kind of makes sense

L2415[17:25:51] <S3> to get a rackmount that is

L2416[17:25:54] <vifino> S3: http://www.rolandus.com/products/quad-capture/

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L2418[17:26:33] <S3> vifino: so you know that mixer that Soarin uses for his live streaming?

L2419[17:26:46] <vifino> Hmm?

L2420[17:26:52] <vifino> Soaryn?

L2421[17:26:56] <vifino> Nope.

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L2423[17:27:53] <vifino> S3: anyhow, check that quad capture out, it may be worth your time.

L2424[17:27:54] <S3> it's a Behringher XR18. I know that Behringer has had a history of cheap parts and hardware thatl last only a single tour till it fries, but a new company is making all their parts for the past 2 or 3 years now

L2425[17:28:01] <S3> well he has the X18 or so

L2426[17:28:12] <S3> but the XR18 is a rackmount mixer. all it is is a unit that has its IO

L2427[17:28:19] <DeanIsaKitty> Hmmm, I am strangely satisfied by the guy from LinusTechTips losing all their data because he has no idea how to do stuff.

L2428[17:28:20] <S3> and then you control it from a remove computer. I may be getting one

L2429[17:28:30] <S3> remote*(

L2430[17:28:39] <S3> YEah I'm looking at the quad now

L2431[17:28:46] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: You are a person fullfilled by schadenfreude. You're nice, I like you.

L2432[17:29:17] <S3> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XR18

L2433[17:29:19] <S3> vifino: ^^^

L2434[17:29:32] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino: Just in this one case. He is kind of a show-off.

L2435[17:29:55] <S3> vifino: iirc somebody told me the software for it is in Java, so making our own software to control it may not be a big deal

L2436[17:30:35] <vifino> S3: Yeah, I'd totally help you. You just, uh, gotta send one to me. *whistles*

L2437[17:30:43] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: Yeah, he is.

L2438[17:30:44] <S3> lolol

L2439[17:30:48] <S3> vifino: you like that eh?

L2440[17:30:58] <S3> vifino: yeah my friend and I are buying a house

L2441[17:31:05] <S3> and we're getting like 50 down 5+ up

L2442[17:31:13] <S3> (they actually give you like 10 up)

L2443[17:31:14] <vifino> Cool.

L2444[17:31:20] <S3> and we're going to do some streaming

L2445[17:31:34] <S3> I have a nice condenser mic now on a suspended arm

L2446[17:31:44] <vifino> S3: But seriously, you can send me some stuffs you don't need...

L2447[17:31:47] * vifino coughs

L2448[17:32:01] <S3> lol

L2449[17:32:11] <S3> I do have an 8 channel mixer lying around..

L2450[17:32:14] <vifino> :D

L2451[17:32:15] <S3> but the stereo channel is blown..

L2452[17:32:19] <S3> and it needs to be put back together..

L2453[17:32:37] <S3> https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.audiofanzine.com%2Fimage.php%3Flang%3Dja%26identifier%3Did%26size%3Dthumb2%26module%3Dproduct%26product_id%3D19217&f=1

L2454[17:32:38] <vifino> I'm bored, have a lot of time and like fixing things. :D

L2455[17:32:41] <S3> fostex 450 ^

L2456[17:32:55] <vifino> S3: Me wants. Me can has?

L2457[17:32:58] <S3> I've been trying to replace it

L2458[17:33:08] <S3> I dunno if it will ever work again. I have it somewhere..

L2459[17:33:15] <S3> but it only does mono out

L2460[17:33:47] <vifino> That would be cool too.

L2461[17:33:47] <S3> I completely blew one of the output channels because I was an idiot and hooked up an unbalanced cable by accident

L2462[17:33:57] <vifino> Ouch.

L2463[17:34:14] <S3> it's very old though

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L2465[17:34:37] <vifino> S3: As long as something works and it looks cool, I want it :P

L2466[17:35:16] <S3> yeah it's 8 channel 4 aux bus, 4 track and supports reel to reel tape control iirc.. all inputs are TRS and XLR with phantom power

L2467[17:35:31] <S3> it also supports balanced RCA input

L2468[17:35:48] <S3> I used to hook my N64 to it and stuff

L2469[17:35:56] <S3> and route the surround encoding through it

L2470[17:36:09] <vifino> I also need to put one of the dead mobos I have here on the wall and put a sign saying "vifino - The destroyer of three motherboards and counting! Thanks ASSUS."

L2471[17:36:24] <S3> which I JUST got a new video cable for my N64 today!!!!

L2472[17:36:26] <S3> I'm so excited!

L2473[17:36:32] <vifino> woohoo

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L2475[17:36:34] <S3> I've been without one for like 5 years.

L2476[17:36:55] <S3> Do you know how hard it is to play paper mario on an emulator? annoying

L2477[17:37:17] <vifino> Paper mario is such a wonderful game.

L2478[17:37:26] <S3> I think so

L2479[17:37:38] <S3> I've beaten it several times, but I was dissapointed with the thousand year door

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L2482[17:40:24] <vifino> S3: Check your pm's :P

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L2484[17:41:22] <gamax92> S3: I do know what it's like to play paper mario on an emulator

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L2486[17:41:28] <gamax92> FLICKERING INTENSIFIES

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L2490[17:51:25] <S3> so uh

L2491[17:51:39] <S3> gamax92: it's totally epilepsy

L2492[17:52:41] <S3> YIL that a big mac counts for 50% of your daily calorie limit.

L2493[17:52:44] <S3> er

L2494[17:52:46] <S3> not calorie

L2495[17:52:49] <S3> cholesterol&*

L2496[17:53:21] <S3> There is more cholesterol in a big mac than there are in an entire thing of eggs

L2497[17:53:23] <S3> ...

L2498[17:55:51] <Deiwos> So SNES emulator on OC, possible? :D

L2499[17:56:14] <vifino> No.

L2500[17:56:27] <vifino> At least not in lua.

L2501[17:58:23] <gamax92> why wouldn't it be possible

L2502[17:58:40] <gamax92> probably not feasible or worth it though

L2503[17:59:55] <CompanionCube> in theory

L2504[18:00:05] <gamax92> also resolution and colors

L2505[18:00:07] <CompanionCube> you could write a SNES emulator and accompanying operating system

L2506[18:00:28] <Deiwos> SNESOS

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L2508[18:00:41] <CompanionCube> oh

L2509[18:00:44] <CompanionCube> did I say emulator

L2510[18:00:47] <CompanionCube> I meant Architecture

L2511[18:01:41] <gamax92> Spastic Nature Edge Sprites Of Simplicity

L2512[18:02:17] <vifino> gamax92: Refresh rate of the gpu, cpu limit, etc..

L2513[18:02:22] <vifino> Definitly not in real time.

L2514[18:02:33] <gamax92> exactly

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L2516[18:03:56] <MajGenRelativity> alright

L2517[18:03:59] <gamax92> no

L2518[18:04:11] <MajGenRelativity> time to test your idea greaser|q

L2519[18:04:48] <MajGenRelativity> gamax92, why you salty?

L2520[18:05:27] <gamax92> I've been crying too much, haven't bothered to remove the salt

L2521[18:05:44] <MajGenRelativity> why u sed

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L2523[18:06:16] <gamax92> My pet ded is bird

L2524[18:06:50] <MajGenRelativity> what is a pet ded?

L2525[18:06:55] <MajGenRelativity> and why is it bird?

L2526[18:07:00] <MajGenRelativity> Did it get shot with a knife?

L2527[18:07:38] <gamax92> You know how sometimes your smooth is running very car?

L2528[18:07:46] <MajGenRelativity> Oh yeah

L2529[18:07:49] <MajGenRelativity> I'm well aware of that

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L2532[18:08:31] <MajGenRelativity> what's up with your smooth gamax92?

L2533[18:08:35] <gamax92> I wish procyon would stop putting (Object) where D:<

L2534[18:08:38] <MajGenRelativity> Is it to do with your pet ded?

L2535[18:08:53] <S3> I have a pet muxdemux

L2536[18:09:08] <S3> what goes in must come out

L2537[18:09:18] <gamax92> Procyon be like: String S3 = (Object)blah.someFunctionThatReturnsString();

L2538[18:09:33] <S3> GROSS

L2539[18:09:37] <S3> is that a template?!

L2540[18:09:40] <gamax92> no?

L2541[18:09:45] <MajGenRelativity> Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy it's S3!

L2542[18:09:46] <S3> oh

L2543[18:09:50] <S3> that's a parenthesis

L2544[18:10:00] <MajGenRelativity> And his name is JOHN CENA!

L2545[18:10:03] <S3> Hey MajGenRelativity

L2546[18:10:06] <S3> I saw you earlier

L2547[18:10:10] <MajGenRelativity> Yes you did

L2548[18:10:12] <S3> but you were busy

L2549[18:10:12] <S3> lol

L2550[18:10:13] <MajGenRelativity> I'm everywhere

L2551[18:10:17] <MajGenRelativity> I'm inside your head

L2552[18:10:20] <MajGenRelativity> outside your window

L2553[18:10:21] <S3> ...

L2554[18:10:21] <gamax92> S3: List<String, List<Integer, Double>>

L2555[18:10:27] <MajGenRelativity> I am gamax92 's pet ded

L2556[18:10:32] <S3> MajGenRelativity: you might be very cold if you were outside my window

L2557[18:10:37] <MajGenRelativity> S3 bro

L2558[18:10:39] <S3> I mean I wasn't cold out there but it's windy and...

L2559[18:10:44] <MajGenRelativity> I walked home in subzero without gloves

L2560[18:10:55] <MajGenRelativity> My hands were freezing off while I asked Lua questions

L2561[18:11:01] <gamax92> S3: did you not see my <>'s?

L2562[18:11:24] <S3> 9F / -13 C

L2563[18:11:33] <S3> gamax92: lol

L2564[18:11:43] <S3> gamax92: I'm staying away from that :D

L2565[18:11:56] <Deiwos> I wish it were -13 C here

L2566[18:12:05] <S3> what is it?

L2567[18:12:08] <MajGenRelativity> I AM THE UNIVERSE

L2568[18:12:13] <MajGenRelativity> And his name is JOHN CENA!

L2569[18:12:36] <Deiwos> Currently 22C but fog-level humid

L2570[18:12:46] <S3> I see

L2571[18:12:51] <S3> it's windy out which makes it a bit cooler

L2572[18:13:05] <Deiwos> Oh, wind sucks

L2573[18:13:09] <S3> It gets doiwn to -40/-40 in january about this time usually but el nino this year

L2574[18:13:09] <gamax92> I haven't tested cfr but as I remember it doesn't put (Object) on everything

L2575[18:13:15] <S3> with wind chill

L2576[18:14:03] <S3> Almost time for some Starcraft II

L2577[18:14:10] <S3> MajGenRelativity should get on SC2 too

L2578[18:14:25] <MajGenRelativity> M8

L2579[18:14:26] <MajGenRelativity> I would

L2580[18:14:29] <MajGenRelativity> If I had SC2

L2581[18:14:33] <S3> blast it

L2582[18:14:41] <MajGenRelativity> Instead, I am John Raynor

L2583[18:14:44] <S3> Cruor has it

L2584[18:14:49] <MajGenRelativity> and Arcturus Mengsk

L2585[18:14:54] <MajGenRelativity> and Sarah Kerrigan

L2586[18:15:02] <S3> I don't even know these people

L2587[18:15:08] <MajGenRelativity> Wat

L2588[18:15:13] <MajGenRelativity> Have you played the campaign?

L2589[18:15:15] <gamax92> neither do I

L2590[18:15:23] <S3> Oh yeah I know john

L2591[18:15:33] <S3> If you saysd tychus findlay I would have recognized it

L2592[18:15:36] <S3> and no

L2593[18:15:42] <S3> I haven't played the campaign

L2594[18:15:45] <MajGenRelativity> Well apparently reading the entire wiki trumps playing the actual game XD

L2595[18:15:48] <S3> I just play multiplayer, have for years

L2596[18:15:54] <MajGenRelativity> Ahhhhhhh

L2597[18:16:01] <S3> I mean I played like 4 or 5 missions

L2598[18:16:08] <S3> but I find campaign boring

L2599[18:16:22] <S3> I'm a zerg only player and I just want to wreck shit in sc2

L2600[18:16:25] <gamax92> I've never played Warzone2100 online before

L2601[18:16:29] <MajGenRelativity> Zerg Rush

L2602[18:16:40] <S3> Oddly enough I'm not really a rusher

L2603[18:16:48] <MajGenRelativity> Ultralisks?

L2604[18:17:00] <S3> I almost always open up with a 7 roach rush but I do it to build my economy, not to cheese the opponent early on

L2605[18:17:10] <S3> because you send your roaches over and lair + expand

L2606[18:17:15] <S3> so you get early massive minerals

L2607[18:17:17] <Deiwos> SC2 with the latest expansion has good stuff IMO

L2608[18:17:20] <S3> and creep spread is fasta fter that

L2609[18:17:40] <S3> the roach rush is super useful for that, and I can still make spine crawlers etc if I'm playing against zerg, etc

L2610[18:17:45] <S3> get an early spire.. whatever

L2611[18:17:54] <S3> because with early expansion I can pull gas fast

L2612[18:17:59] <MajGenRelativity> True true

L2613[18:18:10] <S3> and if I don't wnat to, I can just keep my roaches

L2614[18:18:12] <MajGenRelativity> Deiwos, Legacy of the Void is good? good to remember

L2615[18:18:23] <MajGenRelativity> S3, If I played, I would probably be Protoss

L2616[18:18:25] <S3> I haven't upgraded yet

L2617[18:18:32] <S3> my bud I play with plays protoss

L2618[18:18:35] <MajGenRelativity> I'm a tank guy

L2619[18:18:36] <Deiwos> I really love the stuff LotV adds yeah

L2620[18:18:50] <S3> what does lotv add?

L2621[18:19:02] <MajGenRelativity> I would rather have 100 Zombie-sized ducks than 100 duck-sized zombies

L2622[18:19:02] <S3> I don't even have HOTS

L2623[18:19:06] <Deiwos> Brood War style Dark Archons :D

L2624[18:19:07] <MajGenRelativity> S3

L2625[18:19:09] <MajGenRelativity> Well

L2626[18:19:18] <S3> I shoulda bought it when it was on sale for 10 bucks this november..

L2627[18:19:20] <MajGenRelativity> You should get them all

L2628[18:19:30] <S3> well I don't play campaign

L2629[18:19:48] <S3> all it does in multiplayer HOTS that is is give me what swarm hosts and those flying things that drag things around.?

L2630[18:19:51] <S3> vipers

L2631[18:20:04] <Deiwos> I actually am not sure what the difference is for multiplayer, because presumably everyone will have all the available units and buildings

L2632[18:20:07] <S3> which are useful for ultralisks, but I don't see much point otherwise.

L2633[18:20:24] <S3> yeah I can play HOTS games with just the standard

L2634[18:20:30] <S3> but I have to play with someone that has hots iirc

L2635[18:20:35] <S3> and set my expansion level

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L2638[18:20:56] <MajGenRelativity> S3, you have to play with someone who has hots?

L2639[18:20:58] <MajGenRelativity> XD

L2640[18:21:05] <Deiwos> Oh, that's weird

L2641[18:21:05] <S3> something like that

L2642[18:21:13] <S3> I dunno what the details really are

L2643[18:21:18] <gamax92> S3: do you have or had a dreamcast

L2644[18:21:20] <MajGenRelativity> Pls capitalize, otherwise I start giggling like an idiot

L2645[18:21:27] <S3> I can't play unranked or ranked matchmaking without buying hots for the hots units

L2646[18:22:04] * MajGenRelativity snickers

L2647[18:22:12] <S3> I have never had a dreamcast, but I always wanted one. They have 56K modems!

L2648[18:22:27] <MajGenRelativity> I'm not snickering at you not having HoTS

L2649[18:22:35] <MajGenRelativity> I'm snickering at "hots"

L2650[18:22:40] <vifino> I want a ps4, they can run windows.

L2651[18:22:41] <vifino> er

L2652[18:22:42] <S3> I always wanted one to play Fantasy Star Online using original hardware.

L2653[18:22:42] <vifino> wat

L2654[18:22:45] <vifino> i mean, linux

L2655[18:22:47] <vifino> wtf

L2656[18:22:59] <S3> Phantasy Star Online for GC has always been like 100 - 200 bucks or some shit

L2657[18:23:05] <S3> I don't get it

L2658[18:23:37] <vifino> Brain: Dreamcast -> runs windows or something -> S3 wants that -> i want a console too -> ps4 -> ps4 had a talk at 32C3 for alternative os on it -> ?!?!?!?!

L2659[18:23:38] <MajGenRelativity> vifino, you want Windows

L2660[18:23:48] * MajGenRelativity throws Windows at vifino

L2661[18:23:57] <vifino> MajGenRelativity: Yeah, sure I do. That's the reason I don't use it

L2662[18:23:59] <vifino> Oh wait.

L2663[18:24:25] <gamax92> vifino: uhh, Dreamcast does not run windows >_>

L2664[18:24:28] <S3> I wouldn't be surprised if the dreamcast actually runs on top of saturn code

L2665[18:24:51] <gamax92> don't think so, same processors brands but different processors

L2666[18:24:57] <S3> really?

L2667[18:25:05] <MajGenRelativity> vifino, you don't use Windows because you can't handle the truth

L2668[18:25:15] <MajGenRelativity> and it's name is JOHN CENA

L2669[18:25:15] <S3> MajGenRelativity: Do you use Windows?

L2670[18:25:20] <MajGenRelativity> S3, yup

L2671[18:25:26] <S3> MajGenRelativity: What is it like?

L2672[18:25:28] <MajGenRelativity> Thing to remember about me, I love IT

L2673[18:25:32] <gamax92> Saturn had a SH-1 or SH-2, one of those

L2674[18:25:34] <S3> you should do a ctcp version on me :)

L2675[18:25:36] <gamax92> Dreamcast has a SH-4

L2676[18:25:36] <MajGenRelativity> I don't do IT though XD

L2677[18:26:01] <MajGenRelativity> S3, windows is pretty nice

L2678[18:26:06] <MajGenRelativity> For one thing, it is no longer Vista

L2679[18:26:11] <XDjackieXD> S3: nice domain ^^

L2680[18:26:17] <S3> wait what

L2681[18:26:22] <Deiwos> Wocchat can't ctcp apparently

L2682[18:26:28] <XDjackieXD> S3: 9600-baud.net

L2683[18:26:32] <MajGenRelativity> In all my 1 1/2 years of having this laptop, I haven't had a single crash or BSOD

L2684[18:26:33] <XDjackieXD> your hostname

L2685[18:26:34] <gamax92> Deiwos: sorry

L2686[18:26:34] <S3> Oh yes

L2687[18:26:37] <S3> I'm not masked haha

L2688[18:26:42] <S3> XDjackieXD: yes. It's my domain

L2689[18:26:45] <vifino> gamax92: Some weird console runs windows ce

L2690[18:26:52] <S3> XDjackieXD: best domain ever

L2691[18:26:57] <Deiwos> Haha gamax

L2692[18:27:01] <vifino> I'm not sure which one.

L2693[18:27:14] <S3> gamax92 and vifino love my domain name

L2694[18:27:15] <gamax92> well ... Dreamcast had Windows CE stuff

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L2696[18:27:31] <XDjackieXD> MajGenRelativity: well I haven't had a single kernel panic that I didn't cause myself by beeing dumb (like unloading my gpu driver on a running system :3)

L2697[18:27:33] <S3> gamax92: no wayt

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L2699[18:27:39] <S3> way*

L2700[18:27:46] <gamax92> but it's not that all games used Windows CE, also I don't believe that it was a full operating system just various libraries to dev with

L2701[18:28:11] <MajGenRelativity> XDjackieXD, I'm not properly equipped with IT knowledge to fight a OS flamewar

L2702[18:28:20] <MajGenRelativity> I'm pulling the ripcord on that discussion

L2703[18:28:30] <vifino> I am though, just not about windows.

L2704[18:28:31] <S3> The last kernel panic I ever had was when I mounted a partition from an ubuntu VM on one of my Xen Dom0s

L2705[18:28:33] <vifino> :D

L2706[18:28:42] <S3> it really did not like that VM

L2707[18:28:44] <S3> :(

L2708[18:28:47] <XDjackieXD> windows ce is a running windows system. I have a dvb-s receiver I got for 2.50€ that runs windows ce with explorer.exe :P

L2709[18:28:51] <MajGenRelativity> And OC discord picked a perfect time to disconnect from IRC

L2710[18:28:55] <MajGenRelativity> ./tableflip

L2711[18:29:00] <S3> and it could mount anybody elses partitions

L2712[18:29:02] <S3> but for some reason

L2713[18:29:08] <MajGenRelativity> %flip MajGenRelativity

L2714[18:29:09] <gamax92> Fun fact, all games that use Windows CE are unplayable on any emulator except for latest Demul, cause WinCE games mean you must have a fully working MMU

L2715[18:29:14] <S3> whenever I made a loop device and mounted the ubuntu partitions it would crash the server

L2716[18:29:20] <MajGenRelativity> ./tableflip

L2717[18:29:25] <gamax92> and from what I understand doing that is intensely slow

L2718[18:29:28] <S3> I blame Ubuntu :)

L2719[18:29:35] <gamax92> except somehow demul has full speed mmu

L2720[18:29:42] <gamax92> probably massive hacks

L2721[18:29:46] <XDjackieXD> gamax92: there are games on wince? D:

L2722[18:30:05] <gamax92> http://segaretro.org/Windows_CE

L2723[18:30:07] * Mimiru sighs

L2724[18:30:17] <vifino> You okay, Mimiru?

L2725[18:30:39] <S3> see, the video game system that I came up with with my friends, if you're playing say like a sports game and need lots of controller ports, you need a multitap right?

L2726[18:30:40] * XDjackieXD shudders

L2727[18:30:47] <S3> here's a compatible multitap for our system: http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-SG105-Gigabit-Ethernet-Desktop/dp/B00A128S24%3Fpsc%3D1%26SubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-ffsb-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB00A128S24

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L2729[18:30:59] <S3> adds four controllers

L2730[18:31:01] <XDjackieXD> :D

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L2733[18:31:11] <S3> neat idea, eh?

L2734[18:31:15]

<MajGenRelativity> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

L2735[18:31:18] <gamax92> S3: hehe

L2736[18:31:18] <MajGenRelativity> HERE WE GO

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L2738[18:31:34] <S3> We recommend you use stranded wire or tetherwire ethernet cables

L2739[18:31:38] <XDjackieXD> S3: yeah

L2740[18:31:38] <vifino> S3: As long as it also allows for a debug solution and stuff, yes.

L2741[18:31:40] <S3> ones that are flexible if you know what I mean

L2742[18:31:49] <S3> well

L2743[18:31:54] <S3> guess how wireless controllers work?

L2744[18:31:54] <S3> :)

L2745[18:32:00] <XDjackieXD> vifino: debug solutions aka wireshark ^^

L2746[18:32:11] <vifino> XDjackieXD: I rather meant ssh to the console.

L2747[18:32:11] <S3> another idea we had, was to put an SD card slot on the controllers

L2748[18:32:23] <S3> and you can store button layouts on it

L2749[18:32:28] <S3> bring it to your friends and boom, your custom controls

L2750[18:32:33] <S3> everywhere you go

L2751[18:32:35] <gamax92> ehh?

L2752[18:32:35] <XDjackieXD> you can use esp8266 modules for the controllers :)

L2753[18:32:38] <gamax92> i don't get it

L2754[18:32:51] <S3> wireless controllers can charge via PoE

L2755[18:32:52] <Deiwos> wocchat is amazing, by the way gamax :P

L2756[18:32:56] <gamax92> yay

L2757[18:32:57] <S3> just need a poE switch

L2758[18:33:06] <gamax92> S3: http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-PoE150S-Gigabit-Injector-compliant/dp/B001PS9E5I/ref=pd_sim_147_10?ie=UTF8&dpID=41nX9YF4%2BUL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=124HK1DGSHFKBTWYXC7B

L2759[18:33:08] <gamax92> ?

L2760[18:33:15] <S3> and the cpu we decided on was a Cortex A15 ARM chip with virtualization.

L2761[18:33:25] <vifino> S3: Mod freebsd like the ps4, with drive letter prefixes in paths for it :D

L2762[18:33:37] <S3> vifino: thats what we want to do

L2763[18:33:40] <S3> we want to use Bhyve

L2764[18:33:46] <S3> when the ARM bhyve support comes out

L2765[18:33:57] <vifino> Well, that doesn't have much to do with that...

L2766[18:34:04] <S3> we wanted to do it with vanilla FreeBSD

L2767[18:34:13] <vifino> boooring

L2768[18:34:17] <S3> nah

L2769[18:34:24] <vifino> boooooooooring.

L2770[18:34:24] <S3> we will still make our own dashboard etc

L2771[18:34:32] <S3> then all of the games run as VMs

L2772[18:34:34] <gamax92> O_O

L2773[18:34:40] <gamax92> this controller i got, has autorun

L2774[18:34:44] <S3> gamax92: wut?

L2775[18:34:53] <gamax92> you plug it in and it pops up a fake storage device with drivers

L2776[18:35:00] <vifino> "drivers"

L2777[18:35:03] <S3> vifino: the reason is so that you can keep the system up to date

L2778[18:35:10] <S3> without worrying about our kernel hacks

L2779[18:35:15] <vifino> .-.

L2780[18:35:32] <vifino> system0://our_stuff.elf

L2781[18:35:33] <S3> we can automate and perfect freebsd-udate

L2782[18:35:34] <S3> update(*

L2783[18:35:52] <vifino> controller0://button_mappings.cfg

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L2785[18:36:45] <S3> but the thing is, by having controllers ethernet, it is very easy for me during the prototyping process to plug my xbox controller into my desktop, make a perl script that translates my controllers events into packets for the game console, and bam

L2786[18:38:33] <vifino> S3: at least make a library that injects into everything and replaces the paths with the drive lettering system thing, because its cool as fuck

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L2788[18:38:54] <S3> hmm

L2789[18:38:54] <vifino> also allows devs to be lazy and there will be no need for long paths and shit

L2790[18:39:15] <S3> vifino: why do that if you could just have a symlinked mount point or something..?

L2791[18:39:26] <vifino> S3: because its longer

L2792[18:39:30] <S3> lol?

L2793[18:39:37] <vifino> also, it looks cooler

L2794[18:39:38] <vifino> :D

L2795[18:39:49] <S3> you want a C drive?

L2796[18:39:53] <vifino> No.

L2797[18:39:57] <S3> lolol

L2798[18:40:00] <vifino> I want real names not letters.

L2799[18:40:08] <vifino> system://pathhere

L2800[18:40:08] <XDjackieXD> ^^

L2801[18:40:09] <S3> so you want resources

L2802[18:40:12] <S3> I see.

L2803[18:40:18] <vifino> Yeah.

L2804[18:40:26] <vifino> So it doesn't matter which backend provides what.

L2805[18:40:48] <S3> well you don't necessarily need a library to do that. you can do it with like a mountpint registry or symlink registry and then put it in your SDK and dashboard.

L2806[18:41:11] <S3> you'd be able to type it all in and bam

L2807[18:41:18] <S3> games://

L2808[18:41:22] <S3> music://

L2809[18:41:25] <vifino> S3: a library which is preloaded, because it can overwrite standart system calls and stuff with the modded paths.

L2810[18:41:34] <S3> hmm

L2811[18:41:47] <vifino> it is very very useful because you can change the providing elements and yet don't have to change a line.

L2812[18:41:57] <S3> I suppose the best way to do that is to create a library with macros

L2813[18:42:04] <vifino> >_>

L2814[18:42:24] <vifino> Or... just make a library which overwrites these calls, it being preloaded into the executables

L2815[18:42:25] <S3> well otherwise you're bottlenecking filepaths in function calls

L2816[18:42:47] <S3> overwriting the actual call to functions like open, etc seems like a bad idea

L2817[18:42:53] <gamax92> this controller is garbage

L2818[18:42:54] <S3> we know what happened to ssl

L2819[18:43:01] <gamax92> absolute garbage

L2820[18:43:01] <S3> what kind of controller?

L2821[18:43:13] <gamax92> it's a ps2 clone with USB

L2822[18:43:15] <vifino> S3: ps4 and stuff does that, it's pretty cool.

L2823[18:43:25] <vifino> I really really like that idea.

L2824[18:43:52] <vifino> Not really for a desktop system, but for embedded systems, it is very cool.

L2825[18:44:40] <gamax92> on the first stick: moving left affects axis 0 and 2, up affects 1

L2826[18:44:43] <vifino> If you just have your mounts and stuff in /mounts/namehere/path, what happens if you change that mount path?

L2827[18:45:05] <gamax92> on the second stick: moving up affects 2 and 3, and moving left causes 2 to jitter

L2828[18:45:21] <vifino> You *can* make macros which call the converting functions, but really, don't do anything else.

L2829[18:45:24] <gamax92> also the second stick causes button presses

L2830[18:45:40] <MajGenRelativity> well then, I'm hurrying on towards a working version of TACEATS1

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L2832[18:45:44] <MajGenRelativity> I fixed the deleting files issue

L2833[18:46:12] <gamax92> the back two buttons on top are also loose-ish and you have to hit the top of them

L2834[18:46:13] <vifino> The overhead will be barely noticable, since it won't be called in a loop a thousand times.

L2835[18:46:28] <vifino> You don't open, delete, etc.. anything in a loop that often, really.

L2836[18:46:39] <vifino> The IO will still be the slowest part of it anywy.

L2837[18:47:28] <S3> vifino: I'd be worried about security vulnerabilities

L2838[18:47:42] <S3> I would rather wrap it because of that honestly

L2839[18:47:43] <vifino> Oh, please.

L2840[18:48:04] <S3> however

L2841[18:48:06] <vifino> S3: You're rewriting paths and calling the normal functions.

L2842[18:48:10] <vifino> Not more, not less.

L2843[18:48:34] <S3> it may be safest to modify the VFS

L2844[18:48:46] <S3> instead of rewriting the functions, do it right at the core

L2845[18:49:24] <MajGenRelativity> S3, if you are worried about security, install Adobe Reader

L2846[18:50:41] <S3> What's that?

L2847[18:51:16] <MajGenRelativity> Adobe Reader

L2848[18:51:29] <MajGenRelativity> It fixes everything turning a computer off and on can't

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L2850[18:53:58] <gamax92> yeah, axis 2 on this controller is broken, if it worked, this controller would be usable

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L2852[18:54:26] <gamax92> also all the axis move too fast, they hit full range before I physically at full range

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L2855[19:03:53] <MajGenRelativity> Have a good night guys!

L2856[19:03:53] <gamax92> hmm, this is actually apparently a linux kernel bug

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L2858[19:04:16] <gamax92> about the axis being broken, everything moving too fast is probably the controllers fault

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L2861[19:21:36] <S3> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXxhoHRWAAAwAHP.jpg

L2862[19:21:37] <S3> gamax92: ^

L2863[19:21:59] <gamax92> y

L2864[19:22:04] <S3> BECAUSE

L2865[19:22:08] <gamax92> BECAUSE Y

L2866[19:22:19] <S3> because you can throw a DAC in there or a DAC

L2867[19:22:24] <S3> and then put it into sound

L2868[19:22:27] <gamax92> what about a DAC

L2869[19:22:27] <S3> put a speaker in the hose

L2870[19:22:36] <gamax92> or how about a DAC

L2871[19:22:40] <S3> both

L2872[19:24:40] <S3> http://www.amazon.com/Tmvel-RCACVS-Composite-Converter-Blue-Ray/dp/B009A6PJKQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1451957066&sr=8-3&keywords=composite+to+hdmi

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L2875[19:37:33] <S3> ooh

L2876[19:37:35] <S3> cheap

L2877[19:37:45] <S3> http://www.amazon.com/Skhxdd-S-video-Capture-Composite-Supported/dp/B00YBIHHL2

L2878[19:38:06] <S3> I might get one for my n64

L2879[19:38:09] <S3> and PSX

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L2886[20:12:54] <S3> whee

L2887[20:13:01] <S3> I feel like it's about time for PS2

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L2890[20:31:55] <AntheusSleep> It's almost #oc's 2nd birthday

L2891[20:32:43] <AntheusSleep> ????????????

L2892[20:35:00] <AntheusSleep> Elizabeth: can you combine Antheus and PotatoTrumpet on the oc stats page under Antheus?

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L2896[20:42:33] <yoshifan> I am having a problem getting my server on the internet

L2897[20:42:58] <yoshifan> It's got an internet card in it, but running IRC gives "module 'internet' not found:"

L2898[20:43:03] <AntheusSleep> Like.. MC server?

L2899[20:43:08] <yoshifan> no, ingame server

L2900[20:43:13] <AntheusSleep> Um

L2901[20:43:16] <yoshifan> it is running on an MC server, if that matters

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L2904[20:43:41] <CompanionCube> LOL

L2905[20:43:43] <AntheusSleep> Are you sure it's an Internet card and not a network card?

L2906[20:43:45] <CompanionCube> notepad has 4 karma

L2907[20:43:52] <yoshifan> I'll look

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L2909[20:44:07] <yoshifan> It is an internet card

L2910[20:44:08] <AntheusSleep> CompanionCube ????

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L2912[20:44:15] <CompanionCube> AntheusSleep,

L2913[20:44:21] <CompanionCube> 1 notepad 4 Vexatos, DarkIRC, Skye, ds84182

L2914[20:44:25] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: notepad++ and stuff :P

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L2916[20:44:32] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, ik

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L2918[20:44:47] <ds84182> what the fuck?

L2919[20:44:56] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: I'm actually surprised that C doesn't have a lot of karma though xD

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L2924[20:45:32] <yoshifan> Are internet cards disabled within OpenComputers servers?

L2925[20:45:36] <yoshifan> Maybe to prevent abuse

L2926[20:45:40] <AntheusSleep> yoshifan have the condos been changed in anyway?

L2927[20:45:50] <AntheusSleep> configs*

L2928[20:46:01] <yoshifan> I've only turned down power consumption

L2929[20:46:29] <AntheusSleep> Also, is the server hosted on a server hosted?

L2930[20:46:39] <AntheusSleep> Or are you running it?

L2931[20:46:41] <yoshifan> What do you mean?

L2932[20:47:02] <yoshifan> I am running the server on my home machine

L2933[20:47:10] <yoshifan> if that's what you are asking

L2934[20:47:52] <AntheusSleep> Make sure you are using the Internet card and not the wireless network or network card

L2935[20:47:58] <yoshifan> I just did

L2936[20:48:01] <AntheusSleep> Reboot the computer

L2937[20:48:08] <yoshifan> I've done so twice

L2938[20:48:28] <AntheusSleep> Delete oc config and restart server?

L2939[20:48:38] <yoshifan> I'll do that

L2940[20:49:53] <yoshifan> Same problem

L2941[20:50:03] <yoshifan> It isn't logging anything either

L2942[20:50:06] <AntheusSleep> .-.

L2943[20:50:09] <yoshifan> to the console I mean

L2944[20:50:39] <AntheusSleep> I have no idea then

L2945[20:50:56] <yoshifan> I have looked in all the locations it referenced, and no mention of internet

L2946[20:51:07] <yoshifan> Maybe my OPPM install is corrupt, let me reinstall it real quick

L2947[20:51:50] <AntheusSleep> yoshifan: go into lua and type '=component.list"

L2948[20:52:51] <AntheusSleep> See if Internet is one of the things

L2949[20:54:10] <S3> wtf is the = for

L2950[20:54:18] <AntheusSleep> =component.list()

L2951[20:54:22] <S3> wat

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L2953[20:54:33] <S3> is that a repl feature?

L2954[20:54:35] <yoshifan> I am reinstalling openos

L2955[20:54:47] <AntheusSleep> S3: it prints what the function returns

L2956[20:54:54] <S3> I see that

L2957[20:54:56] <S3> but ...

L2958[20:55:08] <S3> I didn't realize you could do it that way

L2959[20:55:09] <S3> heh

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L2961[20:56:09] <yoshifan> Reinstalling OpenOS made it work

L2962[20:56:15] <yoshifan> I'm not sure why it stopped working

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L2964[20:57:02] <AntheusSleep> #BlameSangar

L2965[20:58:31] <AntheusSleep> Well I'm off to bed now

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L2970[21:32:14] <sugoi> gamax92: if gc gets the popen stream, should it "close" it, forcing it to run to completion?

L2971[21:32:31] <sugoi> or let it fade into the eather?

L2972[21:32:34] <sugoi> :)

L2973[21:32:50] <gamax92> oh, you mean __gc metamethod?

L2974[21:32:53] <sugoi> yes

L2975[21:32:59] <gamax92> why not test it out on real lua :3

L2976[21:33:05] <gamax92> that's interesting

L2977[21:33:52] <sugoi> in real lua, how can i force the gc?

L2978[21:33:59] <gamax92> collectgarbage()

L2979[21:35:00] <gamax92> yeah, it seems to be close on collect

L2980[21:36:58] <sugoi> i dont see the output though

L2981[21:37:02] <sugoi> something liek this

L2982[21:37:15] <gamax92> io.popen("lua -e 'while io.stdin:read(1) do end print(\"Hello\")'","w")

L2983[21:37:18] <gamax92> collectgarbage()

L2984[21:37:24] <gamax92> > Hello

L2985[21:37:42] <sugoi> oh der

L2986[21:37:44] <sugoi> haha

L2987[21:37:57] <sugoi> silly user error, ok ..

L2988[21:38:40] <sugoi> oh AND it starts up the coroutine immediately

L2989[21:38:45] <sugoi> hmm, ok

L2990[21:42:26] <gamax92> how are you running processes

L2991[21:45:30] <sugoi> you mean coroutine.resume?

L2992[21:45:48] <sugoi> gamax92: so this will be interesting, we'd have gc picking up the close

L2993[21:45:54] <sugoi> but....in openos, the gc thread isn't a "process"

L2994[21:46:06] <sugoi> a feature that predates my refactor

L2995[21:46:15] <gamax92> gc ... thread?

L2996[21:46:24] <gamax92> isn't it just a lua thing

L2997[21:46:33] <sugoi> yes, but it's running on a coroutine

L2998[21:46:47] <gamax92> I don't understand what that mean o.o

L2999[21:46:51] <sugoi> so during gc, coroutine.status() is a different one

L3000[21:46:58] <sugoi> err, srorry

L3001[21:47:01] <sugoi> coroutine.running()

L3002[21:47:07] <sugoi> #lua coroutine.running()

L3003[21:47:07] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > thread: 0x7f9f3406e4a8 | false

L3004[21:47:24] <gamax92> wtf are you talking about though, lua isn't doing stuff while the gc is active

L3005[21:47:46] <gamax92> oh, __gc?

L3006[21:47:56] <sugoi> yes, the __gc metamethod

L3007[21:48:07] <sugoi> which i have to meta call in order for the popen to close

L3008[21:48:12] <sugoi> (if the user didn't)

L3009[21:48:39] <sugoi> so in that callback - the coroutine is "unknown' to openos

L3010[21:48:49] <sugoi> s/'/"/

L3011[21:48:56] <gamax92> kibided

L3012[21:49:06] <sugoi> kibided?

L3013[21:49:13] <gamax92> kibided.

L3014[21:49:29] <Mimiru> %sed list

L3015[21:49:34] * Mimiru sighs

L3016[21:49:44] <gamax92> does kibided ping you :P

L3017[21:49:48] <Mimiru> No

L3018[21:49:49] <sugoi> nay

L3019[21:49:55] <gamax92> oh...

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L3023[21:50:59] <sugoi> gamax92: so...yeah, you'd have a process tree whilst(openos specific thing) whilst in the __gc call

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L3026[21:51:20] <sugoi> so your popen close would be...essentially unassociated

L3027[21:51:24] <sugoi> which has isues

L3028[21:51:30] <gamax92> no?

L3029[21:51:49] <Mimiru> %sed list

L3030[21:51:53] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Enabled SED channels: [#PCL-Minecraft, #MichiBot, #oc]

L3031[21:52:02] <sugoi> foo

L3032[21:52:04] <sugoi> s/foo/bar/

L3033[21:52:05] <MichiBot> <sugoi> bar

L3034[21:52:16] <gamax92> hold on i need to look up gc metamethod

L3035[21:53:54] <gamax92> yeah, __gc passes the object itself to the function

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L3037[21:54:35] <gamax92> so if popen is implemented properly which it probably isn't, then you just mark a flag in the stream object that it's closed

L3038[21:54:48] <gamax92> and then later invokes will see and return nil

L3039[21:55:53] <sugoi> gamax92: obviously it isn't correct :) but, the problem is how openos resolve metadata about coroutines

L3040[21:56:14] <gamax92> I haven't looked into any multi process related stuff about openos

L3041[21:56:17] <sugoi> if you run a coroutine that openos didn't create, it'll fail to load io and some other data

L3042[21:56:55] <sugoi> i can work around this, but...this is a frustrating detail of popen

L3043[21:57:45] <sugoi> oh wait.....ok...good news

L3044[21:58:26] <sugoi> well, the thread is known, atm i'm confused which thread it is

L3045[21:58:45] <sugoi> ok ok ... well thanks for your help

L3046[21:58:54] <gamax92> lol stock photo descriptions :P

L3047[21:59:15] <gamax92> Group of people enjoying pizza and beer around table, slice of pizza left in box

L3048[22:00:22] <gamax92> XD "Unhealthy eating" is a tag

L3049[22:01:06] <Izaya> no, unhealthy eating would be the pizza box being empty

L3050[22:11:35] <sugoi> gamax92: ha! somehow, i got ocemu to crash so badly that the ocemu.cfg is corrupted

L3051[22:11:36] <sugoi> :(

L3052[22:11:50] <gamax92> y u do dis

L3053[22:13:12] <Mimiru> So, my PSU is failing, which has been the cause of my GPU crashing

L3054[22:13:56] <_habnabit> ugh i can't find a plan9k disk anywhere

L3055[22:14:28] <gamax92> _habnabit: why not download it?

L3056[22:14:29] <_habnabit> just 'dig' and 'maze'

L3057[22:14:40] <_habnabit> gamax92, how would you do that?

L3058[22:14:49] <Mimiru> So, now I get to replace a 850w psu

L3059[22:14:57] <gamax92> Mimiru: ouch

L3060[22:15:35] <Mimiru> Yeah.. current candidate is $129

L3061[22:18:28] <_habnabit> wait, would oppm give me plan9k..?

L3062[22:18:41] <CompanionCube> might do

L3063[22:18:46] <CompanionCube> can't remember

L3064[22:24:11] <sugoi> gamax92: ok confirmed, the __gc callback is definitely not a thread known by openos, could this be ocemu?

L3065[22:24:43] <sugoi> perhaps ocemu is creating a thread just for boot, but __gc runs on ocemu's main thread

L3066[22:25:28] <sugoi> in fact, that'd make sense...i can't get debug info in that gc callback to log or print to openos, but asserts kill the instance and ocemu reports the assert

L3067[22:25:55] <gamax92> __gc is a lua thing, ocemu doesn't do anything about that and I don't really know what I could do

L3068[22:37:16] <sugoi> gamax92: oh what a complex mess. what if my popen is forking a child process that also has a popen - while i could reload the process info of an arbitrary popen-process, ican't assume which is gc'd first (parent or child)

L3069[22:37:42] <gamax92> you ... you are doing generic pipes right?

L3070[22:37:56] <sugoi> can you elaborate?

L3071[22:38:22] <gamax92> you have a pipe object, and give process A and process B their respective halves

L3072[22:38:53] <sugoi> yes

L3073[22:39:22] <_habnabit> huh, plan9k doesn't seem to let you use the arrow keys or control-c or control-shift-c

L3074[22:39:45] <sugoi> but everything you process.load in openos gets "process" info

L3075[22:40:05] <gamax92> yeah I probably need to look at that first :/

L3076[22:40:06] <sugoi> and ... you could have process B do some shell loading, which inside that does more popen forks

L3077[22:40:18] <sugoi> gamax92: my point is, openos keeps track of processes and loads

L3078[22:40:34] <sugoi> and when a process is gc'd, it is removed from the list

L3079[22:41:12] <sugoi> but if i have multiple popen processes (zombies) -- and the 'wrong' one gets gc'd -- then when a dependency gets gc'd, it'll fail to run to completion

L3080[22:41:35] <gamax92> does this process info also store stuff like stdin and stdout?

L3081[22:41:44] <sugoi> yes

L3082[22:42:07] <sugoi> so for this to work, i'm going to have to store all child process data created inside popen

L3083[22:42:32] <sugoi> so when ANY get gc'd, make sure all of the family is loaded, and then close

L3084[22:42:58] <sugoi> not close the entire thing, just make sure the right parts are gc

L3085[22:43:02] <sugoi> err, closed

L3086[22:43:09] <sugoi> but yeah, this is crazy

L3087[22:44:08] <gamax92> I'm too tired to deal with this ._.

L3088[22:45:05] <sugoi> well i'm going to give this some thought. thanks for letting me complain a bit

L3089[22:45:12] <sugoi> laters

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L3092[22:47:45] <gamax92> sugoi: I was going to read linux source code though :P

L3093[22:49:28] <gamax92> sugoi: also make sure to remember about blocking, where process A dumps a bunch of garbage into the buffer but process B isn't reading it, so process A stops being resumed until the buffer clears

L3094[22:49:51] <gamax92> or process B tries to read a line from the buffer but there's not a line, so process B stops being resumed until a line exists

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L3096[22:59:41] <Greenphlem> Hey all!

L3097[22:59:50] <gamax92> Hi there

L3098[22:59:59] <Greenphlem> Are you guys aware of Placing screens makes tcon slime?

L3099[23:00:29] <Greenphlem> In 1.8.9

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L3101[23:02:03] <Temia> That's... different. o.O

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L3103[23:09:14] <Greenphlem> See here: https://gfycat.com/VerifiableConcreteApe then getting this crash http://pastebin.com/RpkJYLPp

L3104[23:12:26] <Izaya> sounds like a block ID collision

L3105[23:12:31] <Izaya> though those shouldn't happen

L3106[23:15:52] <gamax92> screens be jelly :3

L3107[23:16:04] <Greenphlem> Also In my minecraft chat i'm getting "There were errors running the class transformer." so here's my fml-client-latest.log: https://www.dropbox.com/s/96bjgrrvdm2zjav/fml-client-latest.log?dl=0

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L3110[23:16:42] <gamax92> fucking pluma, I don't care if you don't know what encoding this file is, just open it

L3111[23:17:24] <Greenphlem> It was too big for any pastebin :/ also its odd since one of the blocks it turned into twas a RFTools machine, so it's not just TCon

L3112[23:18:25] <gamax92> Greenphlem: have you reported it on the github?

L3113[23:18:37] <Greenphlem> Probably a good idea eh?

L3114[23:18:40] <gamax92> ~w issues

L3115[23:18:40] <ocdoc> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues

L3116[23:18:45] <gamax92> <3 ocdoc

L3117[23:20:49] <Kodos> I <3 git bisect

L3118[23:22:34] <Kodos> So how is the trading upgrade working

L3119[23:23:22] <Kodos> Actually tell me tomorrow, coming down from a sugar rush from the cola I had

L3120[23:23:25] <Kodos> Heading to bed

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L3122[23:23:44] <gamax92> Greenphlem: hmm ... not really able to find a mention of a class transformer issue

L3123[23:25:56] <gamax92> usually there's a line like "Something went wrong!" in the log

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L3125[23:29:00] <Greenphlem> Okay I posted it to github

L3126[23:30:46] <gamax92> oh I forgot to look at the crash file

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L3130[23:32:18] <gamax92> Greenphlem: so idea, can you remove the charsettweaks mod?

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L3132[23:32:31] <gamax92> speaking of the devil

L3133[23:32:34] <Greenphlem> Sure

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L3136[23:34:01] <Greenphlem> gamax92: Still there

L3137[23:34:25] <gamax92> Greenphlem: do you remember what crashed it though?

L3138[23:34:54] <Greenphlem> Placing the screens down, how many I can place before it crashes seems to be random

L3139[23:35:19] <gamax92> oh, so it did crash again even without the CharsetTweaks part of Charset?

L3140[23:35:30] <gamax92> cause if so I'd like to see that relavent crash file

L3141[23:36:12] <Greenphlem> Without charset: http://pastebin.com/zzfEWeYh

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L3144[23:38:40] <gamax92> Greenphlem: ooh much different, you should give that one as well for the issue

L3145[23:38:54] <Thorinori> Hello!

L3146[23:39:07] <gamax92> the crash itself in both seems to be treating a screen as a coal generator :P

L3147[23:39:13] <Greenphlem> The crash I put in the issue was similar to that right?

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L3149[23:39:54] <gamax92> the stack traces are completely different

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L3151[23:40:28] <gamax92> both refer to a coal generator and screen though

L3152[23:40:35] <Greenphlem> Okay, added that one

L3153[23:42:20] <Thorinori> Anyone experienced with AE2 and OC interaction?

L3154[23:43:50] <Thorinori> Or with databases

L3155[23:45:14] <sugoi> gamax92: process blocking definitely, that's the cool part of popen, yes that's all how it works

L3156[23:45:33] <sugoi> btw, i did some thinking on the way home from work. i can make this whole gc thing work just fine without a lot of mess

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