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L4[00:43:56] <Sandra> yaaaay, I got banned from #minecraftforge.
L5[00:44:01] <Sandra> never argue with lex.
L6[00:44:08] <Sandra> I made a mistake.
L7[00:44:54] <Xal> kek, whaddya say?
L8[00:45:47] <Sandra> I tried to explain why, in the past, people refrained from updating to 1.8.
L9[00:46:02] <Sandra> and... got yelled at for it.
L10[00:46:11] <Sandra> because "it causes me work and harassment."
L11[00:46:21] <Xal> quite the fascist huh?
L12[00:46:40] <Sandra> lex is that.
L13[00:46:44] <Sandra> in every way.
L14[00:46:58] <Sandra> but then, that right there /was/ my 2nd initiation into the modding community.
L15[00:47:05] <Xal> he's got his head so far up his ass
L16[00:47:07] <Sandra> it's the 2nd time I've been banned from #minecraftforge.
L17[00:47:13] <Izaya> don't join #minecraftforge
L18[00:47:15] <Izaya> simple as that
L19[00:47:23] <Xal> yeah, reason I don't hang out there
L20[00:47:23] <Sandra> you're not a real modder til you get banned from #minecraftforge.
L21[00:47:27] <Xal> it's a drama magnet
L22[00:47:31] <Sandra> damn right.
L23[00:47:38] <Sandra> I haven't been there for months.
L24[00:47:42] <Sandra> I decided to rejoin.
L25[00:47:53] <Sandra> and tried to have a peaceful conversation.
L26[00:47:59] <Sandra> but no.
L27[00:48:02] <Sandra> not at all.
L28[00:48:49] <Xal> ah well
L29[00:48:54] <Xal> i'm no modder
L30[00:48:54] <Sandra> here's the log btw.
L31[00:48:56] <Sandra> <Sandra> well it's moreso that we don't want to go through updating twice.
L32[00:48:56] <Sandra> <Sandra> but ANNYway.
L33[00:48:56] <Sandra> <ThePsionic> netz: setupDecompWorkspace takes a long time and uses a lot of memory with ForgeGradle 2.1
L34[00:48:56] <Sandra> * You have been kicked from #minecraftforge by LexManos (you're a moron)
L35[00:48:57] <Sandra> * Now talking on #minecraftforge
L36[00:48:58] <Sandra> * Topic for #minecraftforge is: Downloads: http://files.minecraftforge.net Documentation: http://mcforge.readthedocs.org No PM's Without invitation, WebChats are muted. Do not say Lex's full nick unless nessasary. Stay on topic. Banned topics: Release ETAs, Official API, 'MC would be better in {insert language here}' #ForgeGradle for gradle questions
L37[00:49:02] <Sandra> * Topic for #minecraftforge set by Lex_ (Fri Aug 07 06:02:53 2015)
L38[00:49:04] <Sandra> * Channel #minecraftforge url: http://minecraftforge.net
L39[00:49:06] <Sandra> <Sandra> i see.
L40[00:49:08] <Izaya> uhhhhhh
L41[00:49:08] <Sandra> <Sandra> care to explain why?
L42[00:49:10] <Sandra> <netz> ThePsionic: ah, interesting. good thing I recently upgraded my ram :)
L43[00:49:12] <Sandra> <LexManos> "I donmt want to do a little work now so I am going to put it off and then bitch about how the new update is a moutain of work because I have to do 6 updates worth of work all at once because im a lazy little fuck face"
L44[00:49:17] <Sandra> <ThePsionic> netz: I'm on the crappiest laptop imaginable so yeah
L45[00:49:19] <Sandra> <LexManos> That's your reasoning.
L46[00:49:21] <Sandra> <netz> CPU~Hexa core AMD FX-6300 Six-Core (-MCP-) speed/max~1400/3500 MHz Kernel~4.3.0-1-ARCH x86_64 Up~3 days Mem~2764.5/13986.9MB HDD~2000.4GB(17.7% used) Procs~175 Client~WeeChat 1.3 inxi~2.2.31
L47[00:49:24] <Sandra> <netz> ThePsionic: funky ram count due to just sticking an 8gb stick on top of an already funky 4/2gb stick setup :P
L48[00:49:27] <Sandra> <ThePsionic> That's my desktop at home pretty much
L49[00:49:29] <Sandra> <Sandra> there's a bit of overhead to updating, to any version.
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L52[00:49:35] <Sandra> <Sandra> let alone the hassle of updating with these major patches.
L53[00:49:37] <Sandra> <Sandra> I am not against 1.8.8 being a new standard.
L54[00:49:39] <Sandra> <LexManos> Yes there is a small hassle. But thats how programming fucking works.
L55[00:49:41] <Sandra> <LexManos> If you don't like it, then dont make a minecraft mod.
L56[00:49:43] <Sandra> <shadekiller666> i have a FX6350 6-core, with 16GB ram and a 1TB WD blue HDD
L57[00:49:47] <Sandra> <Sandra> i mean, it doesn't hurt to stay somewhere to focus on content creation as opposed to updating to a new api.
L58[00:49:50] <Sandra> <LexManos> Using that platitude is stupid. It's a false high-horse.
L59[00:49:52] <Sandra> <shadekiller666> its also the nature of writing code on top of a codebase you have no control over
L60[00:49:54] <Sandra> <LexManos> Yes actually it does Sandra
L61[00:49:56] <Sandra> <LexManos> it hurts everyone in the community
L62[00:49:58] <Sandra> <LexManos> ESPECIALLY me
L63[00:50:00] <Sandra> <LexManos> because I have to deal with YOUR bullshit
L64[00:50:02] <Sandra> <Sandra> i, personally, am not against updating to 1.8.8.
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L66[00:50:06] <Sandra> <Matthew> ThePsionic, If you can give gradle 2GB of ram you'll be fine
L67[00:50:08] <Sandra> <Matthew> you may have to explicitly give it that much if you have a small amount of system ram though
L68[00:50:10] <Sandra> <LexManos> yopu may not be against it mentally
L69[00:50:12] <Sandra> <Sandra> I wish it wasn't, because then we have this split community for a bit, but I'm not one of those "I STUBBORNLY REFUSE TO USE 1.8" people.
L70[00:50:17] <Sandra> <LexManos> but the fact were having this discussion means youre one of the bad people
L71[00:50:19] <Sandra> <Matthew> actually Lex: It may be worth adding a -Xmx2G here https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/master/gradlew.bat#L12
L72[00:50:22] <Sandra> <Matthew> because that gets copied to the mdk
L73[00:50:24] <Sandra> <Sandra> I mean, I am about 10% opposed to updating, since it means that mods that /aren't/ aren't compatible.
L74[00:50:26] <Sandra> <unascribed> surprisingly enough, not everyone has 2GiB of RAM
L75[00:50:28] <Sandra> <LexManos> naw its better to have FG do it and detect if its less then that
L76[00:50:30] <Sandra> <Sandra> and that's why we stayed on 1.7.10 for so long, since nothing was updating.
L77[00:50:32] <Sandra> <Sandra> this is the typical thing of a version update.
L78[00:50:34] <Sandra> <Matthew> yeah could have it spit a big warning
L79[00:50:36] <Sandra> <shadekiller666> sandra, it is that exact reason why you SHOULD
L80[00:50:38] <Sandra> <shadekiller666> updating == incompatibility with older mods and sticking with the update means that you push the rest of those mods closer to updating
L81[00:50:41] <Sandra> <Sandra> the 1.8 gain/hassle amounts were, and I repeat WERE too little gain for too much hassle.
L82[00:50:43] <Sandra> <shadekiller666> and thus you help out the entire modding community, both the programmers and the players
L83[00:50:47] <Sandra> <LexManos> Sandra, You're still being a moron, the 'chicken<->egg' argument is not a fucking good one.
L84[00:50:49] <Sandra> <LexManos> Umm no
L85[00:50:51] <Sandra> <Sandra> NOW, on the other hand, it /is/ enough gain to justify the hassle.
L86[00:50:53] <Sandra> <shadekiller666> NOW the switch is almost trivial
L87[00:50:55] <Sandra> <LexManos> they were never to little gain for to much hassle
L88[00:50:57] <Sandra> <LexManos> Sandra, Seriously fuck off, you can not justify being lazy and not updating. Holding the entire community back because you feel like being a cunt is NEVER gunna fly here.
L89[00:50:57] <Izaya> pastebin pls
L90[00:51:00] <Sandra> <shadekiller666> and if the switch requires rewriting half your mod code, good, it means you're making it work better for 1.8
L91[00:51:03] <Sandra> <LexManos> And the more you try and justify yourself the more you just piss me off with your stupidity
L92[00:51:05] <Sandra> <Sandra> I come in and try and have a nice peaceful conversation, try to explain myself without getting angry and I just get yelled at.
L93[00:51:08] <Sandra> <shadekiller666> hey
L94[00:51:10] <Sandra> <LexManos> You come in here yelling the same retarded shit as others, trying to justify your laziness and your EXPLITLY MAKING MORE FUCKING WORK/HARASSMENT FOR ME.
L95[00:51:13] <Sandra> <shadekiller666> you have to realize where lex is coming from
L96[00:51:17] <Sandra> <LexManos> Expecially after todays bullshit
L97[00:51:19] <Sandra> <LexManos> This isn't going to fucking work.
L98[00:51:21] <Sandra> <Sandra> what happened today? sorry, i am unaware.
L99[00:51:23] <Sandra> <Sandra> and what work am I causing?
L100[00:51:25] <Sandra> <LexManos> And no there can never be a "peaceful conversation" when you and your ilk are the reason I and attacked/harrassed/bitched at daily.
L101[00:51:28] <Sandra> <LexManos> So fuck off
L102[00:51:30] <Sandra> * MineBot sets ban on *!*@2001:19f0:6800:8161:a:1ce:c01d:babe
L103[00:51:32] <Sandra> * You have been kicked from #minecraftforge by MineBot (Banned: Bye (2d))
L104[00:51:34] <Sandra> ...
L105[00:51:35] <asie> >attacked/harassed/bitched at
L106[00:51:36] <Sandra> i did not mean to do that.
L107[00:51:38] <asie> >harassed
L108[00:51:38] <Sandra> i meant to paste a link.
L109[00:51:40] <Sandra> but I guess i forgot to copy.
L110[00:51:42] <asie> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>harassed
L111[00:51:42] <Sandra> dammit.
L112[00:51:43] <Izaya> gg
L113[00:51:44] <Sandra> http://paste.asie.pl/IdSm
L114[00:51:48] <Sandra> there.
L115[00:51:49] <asie> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>harassed
L116[00:51:50] <Sandra> in pastebin form.
L117[00:51:51] <asie> what the actual
L118[00:51:54] <asie> also paste.asie.pl yay
L119[00:51:59] <Xal> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>attacked
L120[00:52:05] <Xal> he was ATTACKED
L121[00:52:06] <asie> bitched at is about right tho
L122[00:52:13] <Xal> do you not realize the weight of the situation
L123[00:52:16] <Sandra> I... think there was something that happened earlier today?
L124[00:52:19] <Xal> the almighty lex has been attacked
L125[00:52:24] <Izaya> asie, can I use paste.asie.pl from the command line?
L126[00:52:31] <Xal> assaulted, even
L127[00:52:40] <asie> Izaya: no API
L128[00:52:42] <asie> but you probably can
L129[00:52:48] <asie> as long as you capture the redirect link instead of it redirecting you
L130[00:52:52] <asie> curl probably has a way to do it
L131[00:53:08] <asie> the api is http://paste.asie.pl/add, POST, paste=[text]
L132[00:53:15] <Izaya> eh I've been using vifino's
L133[00:53:56] <asie> Sandra: remember when people made 1.4.7 mods?
L134[00:53:58] <asie> like, this year?
L135[00:53:59] <Xal> the sheer volume of drama in the minecraft modding community is funny
L136[00:54:09] <Izaya> I have a theory
L137[00:54:09] <asie> i'm just going to release a mod for Forge 1.3.2 at this rate
L138[00:54:20] <asie> and no
L139[00:54:20] <Sandra> I don't think /that's/ called for.
L140[00:54:22] <asie> not Minecraft 1.3.2
L141[00:54:24] <asie> no
L142[00:54:28] <Xal> it's the second most drama i've ever seen in any game
L143[00:54:30] <Izaya> it's actually being manipulated by higher-up beings for entertainment
L144[00:54:36] <asie> Izaya: uhhh
L145[00:54:38] <asie> that's called
L146[00:54:40] <asie> THE WORLD
L147[00:54:45] <asie> i mean
L148[00:54:47] <asie> what are wars?
L149[00:54:50] <Izaya> asie, but the MC modding community especially
L150[00:54:52] <Sandra> Xal, have you met lex?
L151[00:54:52] <asie> if not being manipulated by higher-ups for their entertainment?
L152[00:54:58] <Xal> yes
L153[00:55:04] <Sandra> lex probably causes about 2/3rds of the drama.
L154[00:55:33] <Xal> yep, but I can't quite say that the drama here is as bad as the ss13 community
L155[00:55:37] <asie> i last joined #minecraftforge 6 months ago
L156[00:55:39] <asie> wow
L157[00:55:42] <Xal> holy FUCK that place is a toxic cesspool
L158[00:55:58] <Sandra> Xal, it originated from something awful didn't it? of course it is.
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L160[00:56:05] <asie> Sandra: here's my tip
L161[00:56:09] <asie> #buildcraft is the new #minecraftforge
L162[00:56:13] <Izaya> I'd say something about EVE Online but I think that's called for, considering the way it's PVP
L163[00:56:15] <Sandra> I gathered.
L164[00:56:17] <asie> both cpw and fry hang out there and we have sane design discussions there
L165[00:56:19] <Xal> ironically, the least festering part of ss13 is the somethingawful server, goon
L166[00:56:29] <asie> EVE Online is intended to be full of drama
L167[00:56:31] <asie> it's part of the fun
L168[00:56:33] <Sandra> hah.
L169[00:56:33] <asie> but here
L170[00:56:35] <Izaya> exactly
L171[00:57:09] <Sandra> space station 13 is probably also intended to be full of drama as well.
L172[00:57:10] <Xal> the problem with ss13 is i keep coming back
L173[00:57:40] <asie> but yeah Sandra
L174[00:57:41] <Sandra> when I played it I was literally like... what do?
L175[00:57:46] <asie> stay with #buildcraft
L176[00:57:50] <asie> if you need help with 1.8 rendering ask fry
L177[00:57:55] <asie> if you need help with 1.8 forge ask cpw
L178[00:57:57] <Xal> haha ss13 ui, good luck learning it
L179[00:57:58] <asie> fry too
L180[00:57:59] <Sandra> I /am/ staying in #buildcraft.
L181[00:58:00] <Izaya> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sit6zUQKpJc nice hat
L182[00:58:04] <MichiBot> Izaya: EEVblog #825 - Your Printer Is Spying On You! | length: 7m 39s | Likes: 5697 Dislikes: 64 Views: 179180 | by EEVblog
L183[00:58:06] <asie> cpw is generally good for more interesting questions
L184[00:58:09] <asie> as he has an actual job
L185[00:58:12] <asie> and little free time
L186[00:58:15] <asie> fry is there all the time
L187[00:58:26] <Sandra> I only really joined #minecraftforge for fun.
L188[00:58:29] <asie> what
L189[00:58:32] <asie> #minecraftforge is no fun allowed
L190[00:58:58] <Xal> fun is prohibited by order of adolf- i mean lex
L191[00:59:05] <asie> Xal: no, don't compare lex to hitler
L192[00:59:09] <asie> please, don't
L193[00:59:17] <asie> i know lex is annoying but that's just disrespectful
L194[00:59:24] <Xal> ehh, jokes are jokes
L195[00:59:30] <asie> not when in bad taste
L196[00:59:34] <Xal> gotta be able to have a laugh
L197[00:59:49] <Sandra> we can compare trump to hitler though, he does literally the same thing but to muslims instead of jews.
L198[00:59:55] <asie> Sandra: wait
L199[01:00:00] <asie> are you comparing the entirety of poland to hitler?
L200[01:00:06] <asie> well, most of poland, anyway
L201[01:00:15] <Sandra> ?
L202[01:00:24] <asie> a huge chunk of polish people share similar opinions, and we're a fair bit closer to the problem
L203[01:00:29] <asie> it's a bit sad
L204[01:00:47] <Xal> would you rather me compare lex to stalin
L205[01:00:53] <Xal> or perhaps mao zedong
L206[01:00:56] <Sandra> but do polish people have major world power? sadly no.
L207[01:00:57] <Xal> they're all dictators
L208[01:01:11] <asie> no i mean
L209[01:01:15] <asie> similar as in anti-muslim opinions
L210[01:01:18] <asie> not anti-anti-muslim
L211[01:01:26] <Sandra> I know.
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L214[01:02:40] <Sandra> asie, do the polish people with these opinions... want to put muslims in camps? want muslims to wear badges stating they're muslims?
L215[01:02:43] <Sandra> trump does.
L216[01:02:55] <asie> well
L217[01:03:02] <asie> we actually have a trump-like, in the sense of "eccentric radical right-wing"
L218[01:03:09] <asie> he's been trying to get to the government for 25 years now.
L219[01:03:14] <Xal> trump just says these things to capitalize on growing anti-muslim opinions
L220[01:03:21] <Xal> there's no way he could implement them
L221[01:03:34] <Xal> they're unconstitional
L222[01:03:42] <asie> politicians make decisions as to which people to appeal to
L223[01:03:46] <Xal> unconstitutional*
L224[01:04:28] <Sandra> that's the thing though..... he actually believes he can do these things.
L225[01:04:46] <Xal> i don't think he does
L226[01:04:49] <Xal> he's not an idiot
L227[01:04:57] <Xal> he's trying to win votes
L228[01:05:00] <Xal> and succeeding in that
L229[01:05:08] <Xal> any publicity is good publicity
L230[01:05:09] <asie> eccentric and radical in order to win a lot of votes for the cost of losing few votes
L231[01:05:18] <Xal> so any time he does stupid shit, he gets on the news again
L232[01:05:21] <asie> disappointed people usually sway towards radical solutions
L233[01:05:28] <asie> especially if someone claims he has a simple answer for all their problems
L234[01:05:37] <asie> Xal: also, that
L235[01:05:51] <asie> our eccentric radical right-wing doesn't really matter that much outside the Internet
L236[01:05:58] <asie> so he often does stupid things to force himself into media attention
L237[01:06:10] <Sandra> Xal, are you sure he's not an idiot? an idiot with a lot of money?
L238[01:06:42] <Xal> he's a wealthy man and he's not an idiot, because he's got a brilliant strategy for winning votes, and unfortunately it looks like it's working
L239[01:06:59] <asie> remember
L240[01:07:05] <asie> if people are disappointed, radicals win votes over
L241[01:07:15] <asie> pre-election politics are almost always a play
L242[01:07:19] <asie> a play where the politicians are the actors
L243[01:07:26] <asie> and you're supposed to go back to the theatre and buy more tickets
L244[01:07:42] <asie> they play roles with the hope that the most people will enjoy their role
L245[01:07:58] <asie> sadly, being neutral does not bring radical feelings, with an eccentric personality it's better to play radical
L246[01:08:04] <asie> and since the radical left has a nice selection of heroes IIRC
L247[01:08:16] <Sandra> bernie sanders <3.
L248[01:08:23] <Sandra> in the us.
L249[01:08:28] <Sandra> which I don't even care about.
L250[01:08:54] <Sandra> because it's either separated by a huge ocean or a huge continent and then a huge ocean.
L251[01:09:31] <Xal> don't care either, we got trudeau and weed
L252[01:09:35] <Xal> good enough for me
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L255[01:10:35] <Sandra> although...... our main internet link is a direct line to the US.
L256[01:10:49] <Sandra> which then goes back to asia.
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L258[01:14:45] <Sandra> why is this a selling point for a piece of fiction? "No logic OR physics!"
L259[01:15:30] <Izaya> people are dumb
L260[01:16:12] <Sandra> i guess so!
L261[01:22:34] <Roadcrosser> hey uh
L262[01:22:38] <Roadcrosser> what's the wait command?
L263[01:22:40] <Roadcrosser> I can't see it
L264[01:23:11] <Roadcrosser> or find it, even
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L266[01:39:06] <Roadcrosser> nvm it was sleep()
L267[01:39:12] <Roadcrosser> (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ
L268[01:41:53] <Turtle> o/
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L270[01:53:02] <Roadcrosser> \o
L271[02:12:18] <Sandra> \o o/
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L286[03:56:08] <Izaya> so after re-reading that log
L287[03:56:27] <Izaya> does everyone in #minecraftforge agree with lex to avoid being banned?
L288[04:02:41] <Sandra> p much, yeah.
L289[04:02:46] <Sandra> lex is a dictator.
L290[04:06:48] <Kubuxu> Hmm, lex is a jerk, nothing new.
L291[04:08:12] <Turtle> What happened
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L294[04:09:09] <Kubuxu> Standard talk with Lex is you are not kissing his ass: http://paste.asie.pl/IdSm
L295[04:09:11] <sctjkc01> Heeey, is anyone around at this hour? I've got a burning question... because it involves schoolwork.
L296[04:09:41] <sctjkc01> Is there a known bug regarding file flushing via the io library?
L297[04:09:44] <asie> Kubuxu: all glory to #buildcraft
L298[04:09:49] <asie> the sane communications channel
L299[04:09:52] <asie> with cpw and fry
L300[04:09:57] <Kubuxu> Heh
L301[04:10:14] <Kubuxu> Neutral ground
L302[04:10:56] <sctjkc01> ...ehm... may I politely request assistance trying to figure out what's going wrong here? https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/1554
L303[04:11:34] <asie> Kubuxu: yeah
L304[04:11:46] <asie> that's where the official multipart API is being born
L305[04:11:53] <asie> as well as many 1.8 rendering improvement ideas
L306[04:12:13] <Turtle> sctjkc01, I uhh, don't think that is how github issues are ment to be used, but let me take a look
L307[04:12:20] <Kubuxu> sctjkc01: plog:write and plog:flush
L308[04:12:39] <Turtle> ^
L309[04:12:43] <Kubuxu> sctjkc01: in future use forum for that
L310[04:13:09] <Kubuxu> sctjkc01: in general Lua has two ways of calling functions to create object oriented feeling.
L311[04:13:20] <Kubuxu> you can do API.func(obj, ...)
L312[04:13:42] <sctjkc01> Most of my LUA has been through Computercraft previously... I wasn't aware that LUA used colons.
L313[04:14:00] <Kubuxu> or make obj include API so then you can call, obj.func(obj, ...) which equals obj:(...)
L314[04:14:12] <Kubuxu> * obj:func(...)
L315[04:14:23] <Turtle> sctjkc01 that's a lua thing in general, even in CC
L316[04:14:51] <Kubuxu> calling function with colon passes table from which you call it as first argument.
L317[04:15:06] <sctjkc01> <.< I just never knew colons were a thing in CC either, because I didn't have much use for it.
L318[04:15:19] <Elizabeth> *Lua
L319[04:15:28] <Elizabeth> It's a name, not an acronym
L320[04:15:50] <sctjkc01> ...this is also coming from most code experience with JS, C#... where this/self/whatever is implied with periods.
L321[04:15:58] <sctjkc01> Sorry, Elizabeth.
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L324[04:25:58] <Turtle> Something something, LUA, unwanted acronym
L325[04:26:44] <Elizabeth> something something *stabs Turtle* something something
L326[04:27:09] <Turtle> :p, I should go figure out who said it on the lua forums again
L327[04:27:34] <Turtle> http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2009-12/msg00227.html
L328[04:30:32] <Sandra> sctjkc01, doing obj:func(...) will make the object's first parameter be called "self".
L329[04:30:39] <Sandra> s/object/function
L330[04:30:39] <Kibibyte> <Sandra> sctjkc01, doing obj:func(...) will make the function's first parameter be called "self".
L331[04:31:28] <sctjkc01> ...right, understood.;
L332[04:36:06] <Izaya> hacknet has an unplayable 800x600 resolution
L333[04:36:08] <Izaya> fun times
L334[04:37:01] <Sandra> Izaya, fix it hacknet is the best goty.
L335[04:37:18] <Izaya> uh
L336[04:37:25] <Izaya> I can't really fix that
L337[04:37:33] <Sandra> course you can.
L338[04:37:50] <Izaya> you want a go?
L339[04:37:55] <Sandra> it's supposed to run at full resolution.
L340[04:38:50] <Izaya> uh
L341[04:38:58] <Izaya> so 768x1366?
L342[04:39:08] <Izaya> (yes, portrait)
L343[04:39:12] <Sandra> ...
L344[04:39:17] <Sandra> don't do that.
L345[04:39:21] <Izaya> and not let me use the touch keyboard?
L346[04:39:41] <Izaya> which is a pain because this tablet has no USB ports
L347[04:39:57] <Sandra> why... are you playing hacknet of all things on a touch screen?
L348[04:40:03] <Izaya> and I don't own a bluetooth keyboard
L349[04:40:13] <Sandra> aka a game that is controlled almost entirely through a console.
L350[04:40:16] <Izaya> so I don't have to reboot my desktop
L351[04:43:42] <Sandra> hell yes, I'm voting hacknet as game of the year.
L352[04:51:30] <Sandra> so... apparently the old beta versions of hacknet contained multiplayer?
L353[04:51:33] <Sandra> :O
L354[04:51:43] <dangranos> whaaat?
L355[04:52:35] <DeanIsaKitty> Xal: You mean unconsitutional in locking up 120000 Japanese people in death camps or taking away muh guns unconstitutional?
L356[04:53:12] <DeanIsaKitty> <.< I screwed up ... again
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L359[04:55:03] * DeanIsaKitty cuddles Elizabeth
L360[04:55:14] <dangranos> ....what?
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L364[05:02:16] <Kubuxu> In cjdns project we joke that we have fed agent detector, if someone calls it CJDNS he is a federal agent. :P
L365[05:09:01] <dangranos> :D
L366[05:22:59] <Sandra> ah, hacknet. https://i.imgur.com/rnyRneS.jpg
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L368[05:30:41] <Izaya> Sandra, I have one such copy?
L369[05:30:53] <Izaya> it has multiplayer in the menu anyway
L370[05:31:19] <Sandra> mmm.
L371[05:31:31] <Sandra> yeah, hacknet was originally multiplayer only.
L372[05:31:50] <Sandra> then they gradually moved over to single player.
L373[05:32:10] <Sandra> Izaya, if multiplayer is there, that means you're using the old version yes?
L374[05:32:15] <Sandra> did you get it from steam?
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L376[05:33:39] <Izaya> found it on kickass
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L380[06:21:56] <Turtle> o/
L381[06:23:13] <llolik> Anyone seen this before on a fresh OC checkout + `gradle runClient`: "java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Multiple entries with same key: appliedenergistics2=FMLMod:appliedenergistics2{rv2-beta-26} and appliedenergistics2=FMLMod:appliedenergistics2{rv2-beta-26}" ?
L382[06:36:42] <Turtle> You got two copies of AE2
L383[06:37:55] <Turtle> you sure you got the api as library and not say a dev version of the entire mod?
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L385[06:42:16] <llolik> Turtle, I only ran `gradle build` and then `gradle runClient`. I only have what that fetched.
L386[06:42:27] <Turtle> From just forge?
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L402[07:55:19] <Turtle> Damn it. my trains crashed
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L414[09:11:49] <Mimiru> Ok good... my TESR isn't broken... just the bit where it gets the direction cause all of that is in blockstates now... which I have no idea how to use
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L416[09:20:16] * Evey offers Mimiru a biscuit
L417[09:20:53] <Mimiru> \o/
L418[09:21:01] <Mimiru> I have to write these damn JSONs too...
L419[09:21:06] <Mimiru> which I have no clue where to start.
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L421[09:29:15] <Erik3003> How can you create custom floppy disks?
L422[09:31:12] <Skye> Erik3003: do you mean custom loot disks or floppy disks to store data?
L423[09:31:52] <Erik3003> Skye: Custom loot disks
L424[09:32:24] <Skye> I don't know how to do that, sorry.
L425[09:32:35] * Skye pings Sangar
L426[09:34:38] <Erik3003> Thanks nevertheless :)
L427[09:35:41] <Skye> I think it has something to do with resource packs.
L428[09:35:49] <Skye> I'm not sure though
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L430[09:37:16] <Erik3003> Ooh, I'll take a look into the source
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L433[10:06:42] <Mimiru> K... my blockstates seem to work.. now to figure out the JSONs...
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L438[11:07:13] <Turtle> \o/ this bus has wifi
L439[11:07:20] <Turtle> very little legspace though .-.
L440[11:07:31] <vifino> Turtle: Who needs legs if you got WIFI!
L441[11:07:34] <vifino> :3
L442[11:07:46] <Turtle> I need them to put my laptop on :p
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L446[11:22:46] <Alissa> Turtle: pfft laptops
L447[11:22:50] <Alissa> just duct tape it to your face
L448[11:24:28] <Alissa> ugh my screen
L449[11:24:30] <Alissa> it's so clean
L450[11:24:35] <Alissa> can't see anything properly :<
L451[11:26:26] <dangranos> gaaaaah
L452[11:26:43] <dangranos> so, there is that gum commercial in "INside Out"
L453[11:26:54] <dangranos> i'm idiot who tried and listened to full version
L454[11:26:57] <dangranos> multiple times
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L456[11:33:50] <Inari> whats with people and goldfish that makes people create crappily animated goldfish gifs
L457[11:35:28] <Mimiru> \o/ http://michi.pc-logix.com/Minecraft_1.8_2015-12-10_11-35-19.png closer
L458[11:36:39] <dangranos> i thought that was a tombstone at first
L459[11:36:59] <Mimiru> ._.
L460[11:38:47] <Alissa> "Here lies OpenFM"
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L464[12:06:21] <Pwootage> Morning~
L465[12:06:28] <Pwootage> s/~/!/
L466[12:06:29] <Kibibyte> <Pwootage> Morning!
L467[12:07:04] <tim4242> Evening!
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L471[12:18:18] <cobra> is there a way of enabling only some tile entities as peripherals?
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L473[12:18:49] <cobra> I'm thinking of enabling some multiblock structures as peripherals, but that will make every single block connect
L474[12:19:21] <cobra> no, using a different tile entity for a single block is not an option here.
L475[12:21:06] <Turtle> look up the network connection stuff
L476[12:21:25] <Turtle> then only actually -do- it on the multiblock-block that needs to connect
L477[12:22:15] * Sio80j accelerates the Sandstorm
L478[12:22:23] <Pwootage> Dudududu
L479[12:22:51] <cobra> so I have to implement the Environment interface and everything that comes with it
L480[12:22:59] <Sio80j> Literally, the song wasn't playing fast enough, so I cranked the speed up to 1.25
L481[12:23:31] <Pwootage> so, in that case, DUDUDUDUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDU DU DUD UDUD DUDU DUD UDUDUDU
L482[12:23:36] <Turtle> cobra, yes, but you can just not-connect to the network I believe
L483[12:23:45] <Pwootage> (idk how to write fast text)
L484[12:24:21] <Sio80j> Write in a font that slurs all the letters together? Idk if that exists
L485[12:25:18] <Pwootage> Probably? idk
L486[12:25:52] <Sio80j> I cranked the speed up to 1.5 for even more Sandstorm
L487[12:27:06] <Turtle> cobra, you can -totally- implement an optional node
L488[12:27:28] <Turtle> So yeah, just do that, but, why can't you use a 2nd tileentity?
L489[12:29:13] <cobra> because that would be a total mess?
L490[12:31:01] <Turtle> no?
L491[12:31:18] <Turtle> Just inherit your base multiblock tileentity and add just the code for OC integration?
L492[12:31:41] <Pwootage> I really need to learn more about the current strategies for multiblocks
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L495[12:41:08] <Sangar> o/
L496[12:42:31] <Pwootage> \o
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L501[13:06:37] <Sio80j> Hi Snagar/Sangar
L502[13:08:00] <asie> Sangar: i was thinking about computer mods
L503[13:08:17] <asie> and i might make a mod which goes for the IBM 360 aesthetic
L504[13:11:32] <Skye> ???
L505[13:12:18] <gamax92> ???
L506[13:12:36] <Sio80j> ???
L507[13:12:43] <Elizabeth> ???
L508[13:13:19] <Pwootage> ¿¿¿
L509[13:13:45] <Pwootage> ⸮⸮⸮
L510[13:13:46] <vifino> ???
L511[13:13:49] <Alissa> !!!
L512[13:13:56] <gamax92> Alissa ruined it
L513[13:13:59] <Alissa> yep
L514[13:14:05] <vifino> Alissa ruined everything.
L515[13:14:10] <Alissa> yep
L516[13:14:14] <Sio80j> I NEED MORE DARUDE SANDSTORM!
L517[13:14:14] <Pwootage> ;-;
L518[13:14:23] <Pwootage> Dudududu dududu dudududududududududu
L519[13:14:44] <gamax92> vifino: can we have COW for DEADBEEF?
L520[13:14:55] <vifino> The esolang?
L521[13:14:57] <gamax92> yas
L522[13:15:07] <vifino> Uh, poke me later.
L523[13:15:12] <Pwootage> How many languages does mr. beef support?
L524[13:15:16] * gamax92 pokes vifino, it's later
L525[13:15:17] <vifino> I'll maybe implement it.
L526[13:15:30] <gamax92> okie
L527[13:15:40] <vifino> Pwootage: 1337 languages.
L528[13:15:55] <Pwootage> vifino: oh man you can't add COW, 1338 is just a bad number
L529[13:16:06] <Pwootage> (1339 might be ok, does it support BF?)
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L531[13:16:18] <Alissa> i think it does
L532[13:16:21] <vifino> Pwootage: i counted something twice, should add up to 1337.
L533[13:16:26] <Alissa> vifino: make it support C
L534[13:16:28] <Alissa> :3
L535[13:16:30] <vifino> Pwootage: And yesh, it does.
L536[13:16:42] <vifino> #tinycore gcc
L537[13:16:43] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Error response from daemon: client and server don't have same version (client : 1.21, server: 1.18)
L538[13:16:48] <vifino> welp.
L539[13:17:23] <vifino> wait, what machine does it actually run on...
L540[13:18:15] <vifino> #tinycore gcc
L541[13:18:23] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > sh: gcc: not found
L542[13:18:28] <Alissa> #tinycore cc
L543[13:18:34] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > sh: cc: not found
L544[13:18:44] <vifino> #arch pacman
L545[13:18:46] <Pwootage> gamax92: suspicious
L546[13:18:46] <Elizabeth> #tinycore uname -a
L547[13:18:54] <gamax92> Pwootage: look at the file size
L548[13:19:00] <Daiyousei> #tinycore logout
L549[13:19:05] <vifino> #echo test
L550[13:19:05] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > test
L551[13:19:06] <Pwootage> 8.3 EB lol
L552[13:19:08] <Sio80j> Should I include IC2 and GregTech in my modpack?
L553[13:19:20] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > error: no operation specified (use -h for help)
L554[13:19:26] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > sh: logout: not found
L555[13:19:27] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > Linux bbff57a02a66 4.0.5-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jun 6 18:37:49 CEST 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux
L556[13:19:28] <vifino> there we go.
L557[13:19:40] <Pwootage> I hate gregtech, personally
L558[13:19:48] <Daiyousei> gregtech is an alright mod
L559[13:19:51] <Daiyousei> but the author is an ass
L560[13:19:58] <Daiyousei> unless he has changed
L561[13:19:59] <Daiyousei> idk
L562[13:20:06] <Pwootage> gamax92: what would happen if I accepted that? I don't even know
L563[13:20:19] <gamax92> Pwootage: nothing because it's not a legit request
L564[13:20:28] <gamax92> the ip is that of example.com
L565[13:20:49] <vifino> gamax92: Are you toying around with xcc again? :P
L566[13:20:59] <gamax92> yesh
L567[13:21:00] <vifino> er, dcc
L568[13:21:05] <vifino> or something
L569[13:21:05] <Pwootage> gamax92: heh, didn't notice since it came through my bouncer in a slightly odd way
L570[13:21:15] <gamax92> oh that
L571[13:21:43] <gamax92> there's a bouncer plugin that will reformat dcc so you can download it from the bouncer or something like that
L572[13:22:00] <Pwootage> I am pretty sure I have my znc set up to work with dcc, do you have a legit file to send me?
L573[13:22:13] <gamax92> if it supports passive then yes
L574[13:22:17] <vifino> gamax92: I'm waiting for my 18446744.00 TB.
L575[13:22:26] <gamax92> (I can't portforward)
L576[13:22:31] <vifino> aw
L577[13:22:34] <Pwootage> I'll check if it does
L578[13:23:44] <Sio80j> Time to update my server to see if the lag gets killed once and for all
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L580[13:24:43] <Pwootage> gamax92: I got a connection refused, idk if that's my end or yours (I'm currently using bouncedcc znc module)
L581[13:25:12] <gamax92> oh probably mine ... I'm also behind a bouncer
L582[13:25:19] <gamax92> and have done nothing to configure that
L583[13:26:51] <Sangar> asie, multiblock?
L584[13:28:54] <Pwootage> gamax92: let me know if that works
L585[13:28:59] <asie> Sangar: possibly!
L586[13:29:41] <Sangar> cool!
L587[13:29:57] <Pwootage> I really should flesh out my multiblock mass-processing mod idea
L588[13:30:14] <Pwootage> so I can build big stuff without lagging horribly or triggering RF inflation
L589[13:30:18] <gamax92> didn't really seem to do much
L590[13:30:53] <Pwootage> gamax92: eh, whatever, dcc is sort of weird anyway
L591[13:31:47] <gamax92> oh, timed out
L592[13:32:24] <Pwootage> I killed my end so that might be why it timed out... if it was trying to connect to pwootage.com that would have not worked, although that IP seems correct
L593[13:32:29] <Pwootage> (I use cloudflare on pwootage.com itself)
L594[13:36:58] <Magik6k> ~w internet
L595[13:36:58] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:internet
L596[13:38:19] <gamax92> Pwootage: I know at home I have to force my ip, normal mode gives my dhcp router address which obviously won't work, and detect from internet gives some really weird bullshit address that i don't even.
L597[13:42:14] <nxsupert> o/
L598[13:42:54] <Pwootage> /o
L599[13:43:35] <Pwootage> (he's upside-down, not holding his hand away)
L600[13:45:40] <Skye> \o
L601[13:46:54] <nxsupert> I've decided I am going to attempt to write an OS for OC.
L602[13:47:03] <Pwootage> nxsupert: want to help write the javascript one? :D
L603[13:47:13] <nxsupert> Umm.
L604[13:47:30] <nxsupert> Maybe.
L605[13:47:44] <nxsupert> We probably have very diffrent ideas for OS's though.
L606[13:48:05] <Pwootage> Probably, mine's probably going to be RX-based
L607[13:48:26] <nxsupert> RX?
L608[13:50:49] <Pwootage> Observable pattern for events
L609[13:51:07] <nxsupert> Umm.
L610[13:52:00] <nxsupert> Explain?
L611[13:52:11] <Pwootage> Uh, an observable is basically an infnite stream
L612[13:52:23] <Pwootage> you can register callbacks to listen for new elements and call map/filter and stuff
L613[13:52:45] <nxsupert> So basically it is event driven?
L614[13:52:58] <Pwootage> Yeah
L615[13:53:01] <Pwootage> which is javascripty
L616[13:53:23] <nxsupert> Well. I was actually thinking of making an event driven OS too.
L617[13:54:33] <Pwootage> I'm still implementing the filesystem (and bootstrapping it into my require() implementation)
L618[13:54:35] <nxsupert> But also stream based.
L619[13:55:45] <nxsupert> My idea was to have everything being a "Node" programs , components etc etc.
L620[13:56:20] <nxsupert> And you could connect nodes together.
L621[13:57:10] <Pwootage> So a microkernel, basically?
L622[13:57:40] <nxsupert> More or less.
L623[13:59:01] <Pwootage> The big problem in javascript is you don't have isolated contexts, without engine support
L624[14:07:01] <Sio80j> Hi nxsupert
L625[14:07:12] <nxsupert> Kon'nichiwa
L626[14:07:17] <Sio80j> How are you today?
L627[14:07:25] <nxsupert> Good.
L628[14:07:28] <Sio80j> :)
L629[14:07:35] <Sio80j> I have a quick question for everyone
L630[14:07:41] <Sio80j> Blood Magic? Yes? no?
L631[14:07:53] <nxsupert> No :P
L632[14:07:58] <Sio80j> why?
L633[14:08:05] <DeanIsaKitty> Always. We are talkin RL here, aren't we?
L634[14:08:17] <nxsupert> It is a little bit overpowered.
L635[14:08:35] <Sio80j> no, DeanIsaKitty
L636[14:08:42] <DeanIsaKitty> yes, Sio80j
L637[14:08:49] <Sio80j> no
L638[14:08:51] <DeanIsaKitty> yes
L639[14:08:52] <Sio80j> not IRL
L640[14:09:05] <DeanIsaKitty> oh... ._.
L641[14:10:12] <Sio80j> Magic isn't real in real life
L642[14:10:21] <Alissa> lies
L643[14:10:27] * Sio80j pulls the ripcord
L644[14:10:31] <Sio80j> I eject from that conversation
L645[14:10:43] <Pwootage> My only problem with blood magic is to get an auto-power source going involves a large number of entities (laggy)
L646[14:10:51] <Sio80j> true
L647[14:10:53] <Pwootage> it has some really fun mechanics
L648[14:10:59] <Sio80j> OH WHY
L649[14:11:09] <Sio80j> MY ENHANCED CHARM OF TELEPORTATION WAS BEAUTIFUL????
L650[14:11:12] <Sio80j> NOW IT IS UGLY
L651[14:12:40] * Sio80j checks out EnderIO 2.3
L652[14:12:42] * Sio80j approves
L653[14:12:50] <Pwootage> How new is 2.3?
L654[14:12:57] <gamax92> came out two minutes ago
L655[14:13:10] <gamax92> very untested
L656[14:13:39] <Pwootage> WHat's new?
L657[14:14:31] <Sangar> oc conduits \o/
L658[14:14:36] <Pwootage> (I specifically excluded ender io from my current pack, not because I don't like it but to force me to try new mods)
L659[14:15:18] <Pwootage> Yeah, multi-pipes are awesome, and I almost added ender io for just that
L660[14:15:55] <Sio80j> oc conduits are cool
L661[14:16:01] <Sio80j> well, look cool
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L663[14:16:44] <gamax92> Sangar: hows tis-3d
L664[14:17:51] <Sio80j> I think I know how to upgrade my pack to its "final form"
L665[14:18:12] <Sangar> gamax92, working on the manual
L666[14:20:07] <Sio80j> I shall include Blood Magic and IC2+Greggy
L667[14:21:04] <Pwootage> I used to love IC2, idk what happened but I don't anymore... It's a good mod
L668[14:21:22] <Pwootage> Maybe it's the fact it doesn't use RF and isn't compatible with it like pretty much everything else is
L669[14:21:32] <Pwootage> (or wasn't, at least)
L670[14:21:50] <Sio80j> yeah
L671[14:21:57] <Sio80j> Draconic armor looks amazing
L672[14:24:16] <Pwootage> I like the particle generator in that mod, but the rest of that mod is pretty OP (and very rf-inflation-y, for better or worse)
L673[14:24:26] <Pwootage> (fun, don't get me wrong, but sort of replaces everything else)
L674[14:24:51] <Turtle> tbh, that's only a problem because a fuckton-majority of the RF thingies use linear scaling
L675[14:25:35] <Turtle> (Which, is sane, since power gen usually scales linearly too, to make 'old' generators not completely useless)
L676[14:26:27] <Pwootage> So really, everything should be consistent, and linear is the standard (perhaps the better one?)
L677[14:26:42] <Turtle> I'm going to go with no
L678[14:26:55] <Turtle> exponential power generation is nice, but it requires exponential cost
L679[14:27:01] <Sio80j> Draconic Armor is nigh on unbeatable without witchery
L680[14:27:03] <Turtle> which is a problem, since everybody hates microcrafting
L681[14:27:10] <Sio80j> which gives me an idea for my pack.....
L682[14:27:25] <Pwootage> Turtle: hence, AE2/logistics pipes/other crafty mods
L683[14:27:29] <Turtle> yep
L684[14:27:31] * Sandra dislikes EIO conduits in every way. heh.
L685[14:27:42] <Turtle> I personally still might use fucktons of microcrafting to simply enforce the need of an autocrafter
L686[14:27:44] <gamax92> I do hate OpenComputers
L687[14:27:48] <gamax92> I mean microcrafting.
L688[14:27:52] <Turtle> lol
L689[14:28:03] <Pwootage> Sandra: oh? why?
L690[14:28:26] <Turtle> Like, at one side, microcrafting is the embodyment of lazy game design, on the other hand, You can't make a spaceship by slapping some iron ingots on eachother
L691[14:28:34] <Sandra> they're both: More powerful than other transport methods, AND can all be put in one block with no penalties.
L692[14:28:34] <gamax92> sure you can
L693[14:28:45] <Pwootage> Turtle: I actually really like AE2 for a number of reasons, plus it feels pretty balanced
L694[14:29:05] <Turtle> yup
L695[14:29:07] <Pwootage> Sandra: that's fair, I suppose. I (sort of) want to try a pack by you sometime, see how it works out
L696[14:29:24] <Dashkal> Don't be too sure. "Steve" starts with the magic to punch trees and makes picks by slapping three ingots on a stick. It's one of the core assumptions of the game (the other being the 'gravity')
L697[14:29:25] <Sandra> I plan to make one at some point.
L698[14:29:30] <Pwootage> Turtle: mostly because I like to collect lots of stuff and AE2 solves that problem much less obnoxiously
L699[14:29:33] <Turtle> AE2s microcrafting provides a nice gameplay mechanic of automating it besides 'config crafting machine from nei'
L700[14:30:01] <gamax92> I'm reminded of factorio a little bit, holy shit all the automation plants and transport belts and item inserters and tunnels crossing eachother
L701[14:30:02] <Sandra> Unpopular Opinion: I like AE2 a lot, but only the channeled form.
L702[14:30:27] <Sandra> and without ME P2P tunnels - ME.
L703[14:30:27] <Pwootage> Sandra: Explain what you mean by channeled form, please
L704[14:30:30] <Sio80j> I've never used the unchanneled form, so I just like AE2
L705[14:30:44] <Sandra> I mean, the form of AE2 without channels disabled.
L706[14:30:52] <Pwootage> I didn't know you could turn them off
L707[14:30:52] <Pwootage> huh
L708[14:31:02] <Pwootage> I don't use p2p personally
L709[14:31:28] <Sandra> neither do I!
L710[14:31:36] <Turtle> P2P is pretty nice, ME P2P is cheaty
L711[14:32:18] <Dashkal> Meh, ME with channels and no P2P ends up worth less to me than just making chest warehouses.
L712[14:32:43] <Dashkal> The difficulty of using it as an automation solution quickly exceeds just not automating at all
L713[14:32:56] <Pwootage> Sandra: I sort of want to work with you on my linear scaling mass-processing/energy generation mod idea, when I finally flesh that out
L714[14:33:19] <Pwootage> Dashkal: The organization is worth it for me
L715[14:33:29] <Sandra> Pwootage, that sounds neat, 100% down for that.
L716[14:33:35] <Sio80j> Dashkal, I just use it for storage, organization, and exporting/importing materials
L717[14:33:36] <Dashkal> Well, I'd use it as a deep chest, but you can do that (almost) without a single cable.
L718[14:33:48] <Sio80j> for Autocrafting, I pass it off to EIO crafters and conduits
L719[14:34:05] <Dashkal> Basically channels are irelevant if you use it only as a deep chest.
L720[14:34:12] <Sio80j> And the crafter's insane energy consumption can be sated by my DRACONIC REACTORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
L721[14:34:26] <Pwootage> (or a number of other reactors)
L722[14:35:15] <Dashkal> Heh, I can't get to that damn thing. I seem to be in a build where the chaos dragon is unkillable
L723[14:35:30] <Dashkal> No towers up, regens faster than I can deal damage.
L724[14:35:33] <Sandra> I, personally, think the AE2 crafting system is at odds with how the rest of the mod's designed.
L725[14:35:46] <Sandra> I plan to either fork or make an addon to fix it.
L726[14:35:57] <Pwootage> Sandra: what's the fix, out of curiosity?
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L728[14:37:10] <Sandra> well a simple fix is to make the crafting be able to be bridged across networks.
L729[14:37:29] <Dashkal> I'd love to see that, but... uh, I had a look at that code. glwt
L730[14:37:40] <Sandra> if there's a valid CPU on the inside network, the crafting system could be exposed.
L731[14:37:50] <Sandra> it'd probably be simple enough to addon to do.
L732[14:38:37] <Sandra> all I'd need would be to expose the crafting recipes (obtainable through the terminal) as patterns.
L733[14:40:06] <Sandra> of course, what that involves is another question, as I've not really looked at the code.
L734[14:40:24] <Sandra> anyway, I'm off.
L735[14:41:38] <Pwootage> Sandra: I'll send you a link later for this mod idea for your feedback
L736[14:44:18] <Sio80j> This stinks
L737[14:44:28] <Sio80j> my automation center is so intense, it is lagging my server
L738[14:44:36] <Sio80j> At least I know what to fix now :D
L739[14:44:56] <alekso56> yeah, buy a better server.
L740[14:45:00] <alekso56> :P
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L747[14:46:57] <Sio80j> It already has 2.5 GB of RAM
L748[14:47:09] <Sio80j> Buying more starts to get expensive
L749[14:47:28] <alekso56> i thought that was the minimum for forge? .-.
L750[14:48:04] <Dashkal> Unless forge is doing something /really/ arcane, the JVM will take as much ram as you can throw at it (in 64 bit)
L751[14:48:18] <Dashkal> The key is you need to give it only what it needs, or GC becomes an issue.
L752[14:48:45] <alekso56> i just throw 32gb at it since that usually works.
L753[14:49:04] <Dashkal> You can definitely get a forge server running under 2 gigs
L754[14:49:09] <Sio80j> Well, I don't actually own my server
L755[14:49:19] <Sio80j> So 32 GB would cost a lot
L756[14:49:21] <Dashkal> I ran a kitchen sink on 1.25 for a couple years
L757[14:49:28] <Dashkal> 2 gig plan hosted
L758[14:49:30] <alekso56> 8gb is livable tho
L759[14:49:42] <Sio80j> I ran my old server for 1.5 GB, but it could only have like 4 people on at a time
L760[14:49:56] <Sio80j> Once BTM arrives, I shall upgrade
L761[14:50:03] <Dashkal> Mine was limited to about that as well. But then, that's how many in my circle of friends cared to play so it worked well.
L762[14:50:27] <Dashkal> We've moved on since then. I have arbratrary amounts available. But I still run the server on 2.5 or so
L763[14:52:42] <Pwootage> Mine has 4gb atm, but it's a server designed for <10 people
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L766[15:11:51] <Sangar> https://twitter.com/SangarWasTaken/status/675060241667633152
L767[15:11:54] <MichiBot> Thu Dec 10 15:11:18 CST 2015 @SangarWasTaken: Ported the OpenComputers manual into TIS-3D and reskinned it to fit the mod a bit better! https://t.co/ydZeu8R0ZV
L768[15:12:33] <alekso56> neat MichiBot
L769[15:12:57] <Sangar> it just needs to also show an ascii-art of attached images now :P
L770[15:13:31] <Pwootage> Any mathematitions here want to help me invent equations to represent the mechanics behind the mod I'm working on? :D
L771[15:13:44] <Pwootage> (I'm inventing Minecraft physics of redstone)
L772[15:13:55] <Sangar> oh dear
L773[15:14:28] <Pwootage> Sangar: I like the paper look
L774[15:14:54] <Sangar> glad to hear it!
L775[15:15:28] <Sangar> i'm not really happy with the tabs / bookmarks
L776[15:15:37] <Sangar> will see if i can redo that in nicer
L777[15:15:58] <gamax92> Sangar: dat font
L778[15:16:14] <Sangar> it's the one used on the modules already :P
L779[15:16:19] <Sangar> reusing what i can \o/
L780[15:16:30] <gamax92> it's really not that good though ...
L781[15:16:51] <Sangar> yeah well. i might do a higher res one for the manual.
L782[15:17:07] <Sangar> for the modules... not really, don't want to bump the resolution any more than that
L783[15:17:08] <gamax92> you could atleast just do 3x5
L784[15:17:16] <Sangar> if you have a better 3x4 or 3x3 font, lemme know
L785[15:17:29] <Sangar> not really, way too few lines would fit on the exec module then
L786[15:18:56] <gamax92> well i mean, from that screenshot, JG? LOOP, what is the ?
L787[15:19:13] <Sangar> z
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L789[15:22:05] <Magik6k> 20 minutes of work: https://assets.magik6k.net/screenshoots/1449782488.png :D
L790[15:22:11] <asie> oh my
L791[15:22:12] <Kubuxu> Nice
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L793[15:28:03] <Pwootage> Magik6k: I think your website is blocked on the school network, lol
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L795[15:28:56] <Mimiru> http://michi.pc-logix.com/Minecraft_1.8_2015-12-10_15-24-15.jpg So this is the current state of OFM in 1.8 :/
L796[15:30:10] <Magik6k> Pwootage, wat, how?
L797[15:30:30] <Magik6k> [it may not be whitelisted]
L798[15:30:46] <Pwootage> Magik6k: idk, but my ssl connection is being interrupted, and that's usually the sign of a connection being blocked. I'll take a look at it when I'm on my phone's network on the train in a little bit :P
L799[15:30:56] <alekso56> probably blocked under illegal file sharing. xd
L800[15:31:14] <Sangar> Magik6k, awesome
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L802[15:31:59] <Kubuxu> Sangar: only problem we are having is console buffering on the Bash side.
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L807[15:38:46] <flappy> Sangar: Will there be a print-out pdf of the tis-3d manual perchance?
L808[15:39:58] <Sangar> flappy, well, it's backed by Markdown, so that wouldn't be so hard, actually :P
L809[15:46:27] <Inari> any new tis3d pics i missed?
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L813[15:57:13] <Sandra> I'm baaaaack.
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L816[16:01:32] <Sandra> Sangar: i'm interested, what's your day job?
L817[16:01:53] <Sangar> Sandra, game dev
L818[16:02:15] <Sangar> Inari, only the wip manual
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L822[16:10:39] <gamax92> Sangar: do you use Scala at your job?
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L824[16:10:55] <Sangar> gamax92, no :P
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L827[16:11:00] <gamax92> phew
L828[16:12:11] <Pwootage> I wish I could use more scala at my job
L829[16:13:43] <vifino> I wish I could use all the tools I made that I think would be useful.
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L831[16:13:49] <vifino> Oh wait, I can!
L832[16:13:51] <vifino> \o/
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L835[16:14:37] <Sio80j> well, gregtech isn't going in my modpack
L836[16:14:48] <Sio80j> AsieLib has an issue with it or something
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L843[16:19:23] <DeanIsaKitty> http://arstechnica.com/cars/2015/12/vw-says-rulebreaking-culture-at-root-of-emissions-scandal/ So basically .. "we want to be the absolute number 1 and we dont care about anything else!!!" and "Well, if the US just had lighter rules we wouldn't have to break them. So we just did the necessary, you are to blame for the strict rules!!" <.< German engineering at its finest.
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L847[16:28:19] <Elizabeth> http://imgur.com/gallery/oRC9WeW
L848[16:29:08] <Inari> hm
L849[16:29:14] <Inari> i wonder if thers a goo donline course on quantum emchanics xD
L850[16:29:16] <nxsupert> o/
L851[16:30:03] <Turtle> Inari: "This math works until someone stares at it slightly longer than the last guy"
L852[16:30:15] <Inari> Turtle: why would the math not work then? XD
L853[16:30:34] <nxsupert> Here is an easy explanation of quantum mechanics : "If you think you understand quantum mechanics , you don't understand quantum mechanics."
L854[16:30:57] <Inari> nxsupert: thats not very helpful :D
L855[16:31:27] <Inari> oh neat MIT has a videoo lecture thingy on quantum physics (including quantum mecahnics apparenlty)
L856[16:33:13] <Inari> nxsupert: im trying to understand how the systems of the world create B from A, seems the best starting point is the lowest we go, which appears to be quantum mechanics
L857[16:34:34] <nxsupert> Depends. Do you want to know how it works on an atomic level , or an elementary particle level?
L858[16:35:15] <Inari> both :P i wanna know how quarks become atoms and how atoms become compounds and how compounds b ecome macroscopic matter
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L860[16:35:46] <nxsupert> You don't need to look into quantum mechanics for that.
L861[16:35:51] <nxsupert> Well , You do a bit.
L862[16:36:08] <Inari> well i need to understand the basis of what quarks are to understand how they behave i'd think, and to replicate that behavior
L863[16:36:28] <gamax92> Inari: quarker oats
L864[16:36:32] <nxsupert> Umm. I know a bit about how quarks and stuff work.
L865[16:36:34] <Turtle> TLDR: They stick together because color magic.
L866[16:36:46] <Inari> Turtle: haha
L867[16:36:58] <Inari> my end goal is to write simulations of that XD
L868[16:37:03] <Turtle> 'rainbow magic' would've been funnier, but, meh
L869[16:37:16] <nxsupert> There are 17 elementary particles , split into 4 groups.
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L871[16:37:38] <nxsupert> Quarks , Leptons , Vector Bosons and Scalar Bosons.
L872[16:37:40] <Inari> nxsupert: why 17, why 4, how 'are' in the first place? xD
L873[16:38:34] <Turtle> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Standard_Model_of_Elementary_Particles.svg
L874[16:38:43] <nxsupert> All the elementary particles are effectively points of energy. They are defined by the properties mass , charge and spin and by their interactions with other particles.
L875[16:38:57] <nxsupert> The Bosons are effectivly and
L876[16:39:08] <Turtle> ^ Slight addition, some people will argue that there's going to be 18, counting the currently still hypothetical graviton
L877[16:39:12] <Turtle> but those people are weirdos
L878[16:39:19] <Inari> Turtle: well that tells me what things there are, but it doesnt explain the actual things :D
L879[16:39:29] <nxsupert> The bosons are effectively the particle equivalent for forces in fields.
L880[16:39:49] <alekso56> Inari: are you good with math? because you are going to need a lot of it.
L881[16:40:01] <Inari> alekso56: so-so :P but well, one cna learn
L882[16:40:22] <Inari> my prime issue with math is all the incomplete and inefficinet things haha
L883[16:40:32] <nxsupert> Luckily I have to do particle physics as part of my physics A-Level.
L884[16:40:40] <Turtle> yeah, inefficiency is going to be a big deal
L885[16:40:41] <alekso56> no numbers involved usually, mostly letters and premade formulas
L886[16:40:55] <Turtle> because elementary particle interactions are completely fucked
L887[16:40:57] <Inari> like finding a global minimum
L888[16:40:57] <alekso56> and inefficency
L889[16:40:58] <Inari> fun stuff
L890[16:41:39] <nxsupert> Elementary particles are a bit weird as they can be formed from just energy.
L891[16:41:55] <Inari> i wondered if maybe - if the universe was really based on math - there would be global minimums in some systems but we can'T utilize them as their range is too small to stay in it
L892[16:41:57] <alekso56> well, some are just energy.
L893[16:42:30] <nxsupert> Tbh apart from wave-particle duality , you don't really need any quantum physics to understand what things are made of.
L894[16:42:36] <Inari> i seem to recall something on there being X of something because you need that many but i cant recall the exact sentence XD
L895[16:42:41] <alekso56> ehhh, math is made to simplify the universe..
L896[16:43:03] <Inari> alekso56: i agree
L897[16:43:08] <Inari> but some claim the universe itself is made of math
L898[16:43:09] <Inari> *shrug*
L899[16:43:30] <Inari> usually the same that calim maht is a discovery, not something we made
L900[16:43:46] <Sandra> math is a way to explain the universe.
L901[16:44:00] <nxsupert> 99% of the maths you learn in school is utterly useless and you have to uses calculus to figure stuff out.
L902[16:44:03] <Inari> nxsupert: well i need a lowest point to program from :D
L903[16:44:05] <Sandra> it's something we invented, to explain everything we have.
L904[16:44:25] <Inari> Sandra: yeah as said, i agree xD
L905[16:44:37] <Sandra> well it's useless unless your goal in life is to become a physicist or a mathematician, generally.
L906[16:44:49] <nxsupert> Irani, to simulate that sort of stuff is , well , near impossible simply because we don't know how a lot of it works.
L907[16:44:49] <Turtle> tbh, if we figure out the answer to the simulation hypothesis, we'll have worse shit than 'is math real' to deal with :P
L908[16:45:11] <Sandra> of course math is real.
L909[16:45:18] <Inari> nxsupert: maybe you can figure out how it works by simulating it ;o
L910[16:45:19] <Sandra> it's as real as this IRC channel.
L911[16:45:19] <alekso56> faaaake
L912[16:45:35] <Inari> nxsupert: why you no tab-complete
L913[16:45:43] <nxsupert> ?
L914[16:45:56] <Inari> In<tab>
L915[16:45:56] <alekso56> heh the irani
L916[16:46:01] <nxsupert> Ooops
L917[16:46:20] <nxsupert> I may or may not be using a dumb terminal :P
L918[16:46:23] <Inari> :p
L919[16:46:56] <nxsupert> But anyway. you can't really simulate it because quantum mechanics keeps on getting in the way.
L920[16:46:59] <Inari> but yeah, if you dont know how something works, one way is to tkae what you know, make it a model, fill in the gaps till things work
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L922[16:47:15] <Inari> in what way?
L923[16:47:32] <nxsupert> Umm.
L924[16:47:47] <nxsupert> Thats rather hard to explain.
L925[16:47:52] <Inari> xD
L926[16:48:30] <nxsupert> It is to do with the uncertainty principle and the fact that particles can just randomly teleport and such.
L927[16:49:20] <Sandra> nxsupert: are you using a dumb terminal really?
L928[16:49:26] <nxsupert> No :P
L929[16:49:52] <Inari> uncertainty principle shouldnt even matter in a simulation i'D think?
L930[16:50:07] <nxsupert> You'd think so. But no.
L931[16:50:15] <Inari> how so o.ô
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L933[16:51:17] <Inari> "Thus, the uncertainty principle actually states a fundamental property of quantum systems, and is not a statement about the observational success of current technology" hm
L934[16:51:18] <DeanIsaKitty> Turtle: Wasn't the last result something like "we are pretty sure that we have no idea?"
L935[16:51:19] <Inari> interesting ;o
L936[16:52:34] <nxsupert> Basically , on a quantum scale , things are not predefined and then observed. They are defined upon observing. The location of a particle does not exist until the particle is observed.
L937[16:52:40] <Inari> nxsupert: i wonder if it has been researched how to build system like reality, and specifically on min/max datapoints (i.e. how many fundamental particles are needed to achieve what we see at macroscopic level, how many layers are needed, etc)
L938[16:53:04] <Inari> nxsupert: i thouhgt it exists within a certain set of possible locations?
L939[16:53:42] <nxsupert> Yes. Just those positions encompass the entire universe.
L940[16:53:53] <Inari> sometimes quantum stuff makes it easy to think its the modern pholgiston xD
L941[16:54:16] <nxsupert> It is possible for the sun to just simply teleport to another galaxy.
L942[16:54:25] <nxsupert> Extremely unlikely. But possible.
L943[16:54:26] <Inari> uh
L944[16:54:29] <Inari> how would that work
L945[16:54:37] <Inari> what happened to nothing be faster tahn light
L946[16:54:37] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Quantum physics.
L947[16:54:47] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Quantum physics.
L948[16:54:50] <Inari> :P
L949[16:54:58] <Inari> well last i heard even quantum stuff cant break that
L950[16:55:10] <DeanIsaKitty> Well.... no
L951[16:55:33] <nxsupert> Nothing can move though SPACE faster than the speed of light.
L952[16:55:43] <Inari> well teleporting kinda implies doing so
L953[16:55:44] <DeanIsaKitty> If something has no mass in will also in a relativistic universe be as fast as light with the theoretical potential of being faster.
L954[16:56:00] <DeanIsaKitty> And quantum physics fucks even that up.
L955[16:56:10] <nxsupert> That doesn't prevent things moving though something other than space faster than the speed of light.
L956[16:56:20] <DeanIsaKitty> Or space itself for that matter.
L957[16:56:25] <Inari> hm it'll be interesting to see what quanutm physics is once we're mostly done wiht it
L958[16:56:25] <nxsupert> s/though/through
L959[16:56:26] <Kibibyte> <nxsupert> That doesn't prevent things moving through something other than space faster than the speed of light.
L960[16:57:00] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: I don't think such a thing as "mostly done with quantum physics" exists.
L961[16:57:16] <nxsupert> Due to quantum physics , there is only really 1 law we are confident about. The second law of thermodynamics.
L962[16:57:18] <Inari> nxsupert: theres something outside of space in which things can move quicker tahn light and enter into it from space and exit into sapce from it? :o
L963[16:57:20] <DeanIsaKitty> I don't think that knowledge has a limit either.
L964[16:57:44] <Inari> DeanIsaKitty: sure, but we mostly know how pens work on a macroscopic level, no?
L965[16:58:00] <Inari> and part of that was "wonder if it'll turn out to be phlogiston"
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L967[16:59:06] <DeanIsaKitty> nxsupert: Uhm, the second law of thermodynamics is that entrophy will always increase. And even according to the big crunch theory that is not true.
L968[17:00:06] <Inari> maybe i should just tinker about and see if i can create such systesm XD
L969[17:00:16] <DeanIsaKitty> The big crunch one has basically two possibilities for entrophy: a) it increases over time and time will flow backwards at some point b) its simply false since a singularity has an entrophy of 0.
L970[17:02:15] <Inari> i thought big crunch has been disproven
L971[17:02:38] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Has it? Citiation needed.
L972[17:03:22] <DeanIsaKitty> I honestly didn't keep up with the big crunch theory but last time I checked it was still somewhat respected.
L973[17:03:25] <Inari> Recent experimental evidence (namely the observation of distant supernovae as standard candles, and the well-resolved mapping of the cosmic microwave background) has led to speculation that the expansion of the universe is not being slowed down by gravity but rather accelerating. However, since the nature of the dark energy that is postulated to drive the acceleration is unknown, it is still
L974[17:03:26] <Inari> possible (though not observationally supported as of today) that it might eventually reverse its developmental path and cause a collapse
L975[17:03:34] <Inari> seems jjust sepculation
L976[17:03:34] <Inari> :p
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L978[17:04:33] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Please give me a theory that is not basically speculation.
L979[17:04:57] <DeanIsaKitty> Our records do not go far enough to register any mayor change in the universe. We know nothing.
L980[17:07:52] <Inari> *shrug* i just heard about it in passing haha
L981[17:08:29] <Sangar> i'm off o/
L982[17:08:41] <DeanIsaKitty> Sangar: noooooooo :(
L983[17:11:44] <Inari> http://strawpoll.me/6232159
L984[17:12:07] <Inari> also
L985[17:12:09] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: missing "does not apply"
L986[17:12:21] <Inari> forces affect an area around their origin, no?
L987[17:12:27] <Inari> DeanIsaKitty: ?
L988[17:12:58] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: ?
L989[17:13:15] <Inari> what would "does not apply" mean
L990[17:13:20] <Inari> you do not read? :P
L991[17:14:07] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: "Language does not work that way" <.<
L992[17:14:15] <Inari> does not work what way
L993[17:14:25] <DeanIsaKitty> Nevermind
L994[17:14:30] <Inari> ~.~
L995[17:16:49] <CompanionCube> what about the principle of the conservation of energy
L996[17:16:54] <CompanionCube> does quantum physics fuck that up
L997[17:17:21] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: No, but either string theory or multiverse theory does so pretty badly. Choose your pick.
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L999[17:18:27] <CompanionCube> how would multiverse theory mess with energy not being able to be created or destroyed
L1000[17:18:45] <CompanionCube> surely the multiverses would've already existed thus already having energy
L1001[17:19:02] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: Because energy could flow from one to another universe given the correct circumstances.
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L1003[17:19:25] <CompanionCube> is that really creation / destruction of energy rather than it just moving around
L1004[17:19:58] <DeanIsaKitty> Well, there is no guarantee that this other universe does uphold conservation of energy.
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L1034[20:43:28] <gamax92> Would you like some Haribo Sugar Free Gummy Bears
L1035[20:44:13] <DeanIsaKitty> s/Haribo Sugar Free Gummy Bears/explosive Diarrhea/g
L1036[20:44:13] <Kibibyte> <gamax92> Would you like some explosive Diarrhea
L1037[20:45:23] <gamax92> no no, it's a great colon cleanser and weight loss product.
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L1039[20:53:25] <DeanIsaKitty> When I want my bowels cleaned I drink a few liters coffee more.
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L1042[21:01:32] <ds84182> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
L1043[21:01:40] <ds84182> I can cleanse colons too
L1044[21:01:56] <Alissa> sugar free Haribo gummy bears
L1045[21:02:20] <ds84182> Alissa: anus_destroyer
L1046[21:04:17] <Alissa> :D
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L1051[21:38:24] <Pwootage> Really, Wolfram Alpha? Have to stop working in the middle of my physics homework?
L1052[21:39:21] <malcom2073> There's a lesson here
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L1054[21:45:24] <Pwootage> It's the most conveient way to find the specific heat of copper, and to make sure my units are correct >.>
L1055[21:45:30] <gamax92> Pwootage: a
L1056[21:45:46] <Pwootage> It's no different than any other calculator except it double-checks my units
L1057[21:45:50] <gamax92> "3,435,889,920.0 GB/S PEAK" ~Steam
L1058[21:46:02] <Pwootage> gamax92: ahahaha
L1059[21:52:56] <`-`> Anyways, sleep
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L1072[23:32:55] <sugoi> gamax92: hi
L1073[23:33:05] <gamax92> sugoi: hi
L1074[23:33:45] <sugoi> i could use your opinion. i'm having a lot of fun reworking (parts of) openos -- using a unit testing model as i make changes
L1075[23:34:04] <sugoi> but a lot of what i what to do to /bin/sh.lua is not fit for api in shell.lua, nor text.lua
L1076[23:34:36] <sugoi> i'd really like another /lib/ api, specifically for /bin/sh.lua but i am unable to think of the right name
L1077[23:34:52] <sugoi> i dont want to call it /lib/sh.lua .. as that could be confusing with /bin/sh.lua
L1078[23:35:26] <sugoi> ive considered it though. as well as /lib/shapi.lua or /lib/sh_api.lua ... or /lib/shutil.lua or /lib/shlib.lua ....
L1079[23:35:32] <sugoi> these are all bad names :(
L1080[23:35:38] <gamax92> heterogeneous.lua
L1081[23:35:44] <sugoi> :)
L1082[23:36:22] <gamax92> I'm pretty sure that /lib/sh.lua would not at all be confused with /bin/sh.lua
L1083[23:36:54] <sugoi> really? well that's great to hear
L1084[23:37:01] <sugoi> bc honestly, that's the perfect name
L1085[23:37:15] <sugoi> as that's exactly what it is
L1086[23:37:26] <sugoi> i just thought maybe it was weird or could be weird to some people
L1087[23:37:55] <sugoi> ok then, excellent, i'm going with /lib/sh.lua
L1088[23:37:59] <sugoi> thanks gamax92 !
L1089[23:58:32] <Sandra> My laptop's screen is broken....
L1090[23:59:27] <Pwootage> Ouch
L1091[23:59:34] <Sandra> I currently have it plugged into my TV, but I don't have a wireless keyboard.
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