OCLogs: 2015-10-03.log

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L5[00:28:52] <Kodos> When I die, I want people I did group projects with to lower me into my grave, so they can let me down one last time

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L8[00:44:09] <scj643> Lol

L9[00:44:29] <scj643> Then have them buried alive with you :D

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L11[01:11:29] <dangranos> huh

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L17[02:23:03] <scj643> Look at earlier chat lg

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L19[02:34:27] <lperkins2> seriously, lua doesn't have a sleep function!!!

L20[02:34:50] <dangranos> um

L21[02:34:52] <dangranos> os.sleep

L22[02:35:07] <lperkins2> is available in the java implementation used by OC

L23[02:35:16] <lperkins2> not in vanilla lua

L24[02:35:37] <dangranos> http://lua-users.org/wiki/SleepFunction

L25[02:36:10] <lperkins2> busy wait!=sleep

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L30[03:07:01] <Kubuxu> lperkins2: Lua was created for embedded programming where there is no task switching as there is only one task.

L31[03:07:12] <Kubuxu> And in this case busy wait == sleep

L32[03:07:36] <lperkins2> no, busy wait == wait == toaster embedded device

L33[03:07:58] <dangranos> til wait consumes 100% of cpu.. wai

L34[03:08:13] <lperkins2> can use os.exececute or a number of other methods,

L35[03:08:31] <lperkins2> but I can't find an actual libc implementation that doesn't provide sleep...

L36[03:08:50] <Kubuxu> lperkins2: lua does not require libc

L37[03:09:24] <Kubuxu> I and magik have lua running on bare metal RPi, the only requirements IIRC from libc are malloc and free.

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L39[03:13:23] <lperkins2> that may be so, but that's something of an edge case even in embedded systems.

L40[03:13:44] <lperkins2> even an arduino ships with a c library for doing basic things like sleeping the processor

L41[03:14:55] <Kubuxu> lperkins2: but in libc of AVR you have only busy wait.

L42[03:15:40] <Kubuxu> Sleep mode is much more complex (requires you to power up timer, which uses up a timer slot).

L43[03:15:58] <Kubuxu> And in case of ie. ATmega8 with only two timers...

L44[03:16:07] <lperkins2> Yeah,

L45[03:16:33] <lperkins2> but kicking the problem down to the c library automatically, assuming there's a symbol called 'sleep'

L46[03:16:49] <lperkins2> would prevent the needless busy-wait-by-default sleep

L47[03:17:40] <Kubuxu> but there is no sleep in libc, it i better as an extension than not being implemented by some systems,

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L55[05:06:56] <Sandra> if you ever want a fantastic space game, look no further than Space Pirates And Zombies.

L56[05:07:04] <Sandra> ah, it's good.

L57[05:08:08] <Sandra> it's the sorta game that you sink a billion hours into, and it's an indie game!

L58[05:08:26] <Sandra> apparently the sequel is coming out soon and so that'll be fun.

L59[05:09:00] <dangranos> huh

L60[05:09:07] <dangranos> that lanterna things look snice

L61[05:09:10] <dangranos> *looks nice

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L65[05:12:53] <Sandra> Sangar, FEATURE REQUEST. https://t.co/K6y0OxLWXC

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L67[05:13:21] <Sandra> I'm sure you could easily make keyboards do that.

L68[05:15:54] <dangranos> wasn't there an addon which did that?

L69[05:16:06] <Sandra> Is there?

L70[05:16:17] * dangranos shrugs

L71[05:16:48] <Sandra> Computronics has chat boxes, which can read chat.

L72[05:17:45] <dangranos> ugh, found nice gui/terminal/whatever lib for java

L73[05:17:49] <Sangar> Sandra, i actually had it like that at the very beginning (way before first release) but found the text quality just suffered way to much vs. a plain 2d projection :P

L74[05:17:54] <dangranos> next to zero docs

L75[05:18:16] <Sandra> well, if the resolution's small enough, it's doable.

L76[05:18:19] <dangranos> Sangar, add a config option for that?

L77[05:18:35] <Sangar> meh :P

L78[05:18:36] <dangranos> or some keyboard mode that switches with screwdriver?

L79[05:18:42] <Sandra> I'd say either config option, or right clicking on the /keyboard/ would do that.

L80[05:18:57] <Sandra> or ^ that.

L81[05:19:00] <dangranos> :D

L82[05:19:21] <Vexatos> well, noone actually ever clicks on the keyboard

L83[05:19:27] <Vexatos> so I guess It'd be nice as a feature >_>

L84[05:19:37] <Sandra> exactly.

L85[05:19:50] <dangranos> and usually keyboard is hidden behind the blocks

L86[05:20:00] <Vexatos> not really, no

L87[05:20:09] <Vexatos> if you do that it's your own fault

L88[05:20:22] <dangranos> it's not like i can do much with it

L89[05:20:31] <Sandra> it'd still be a nice feature, for immersion's sake.

L90[05:20:47] <dangranos> IMMERSIVE SCREENS :D

L91[05:20:52] <dangranos> uh..

L92[05:22:44] <Vexatos> Forecaster, weren't you the guy who asked me about this once?

L93[05:25:35] <Forecaster> I asked if there was a way to activate a computer without opening the gui

L94[05:26:09] <Vexatos> ah, well, shift-right clicking the case with an empty hand >_>

L95[05:26:27] <Vexatos> or BuildCraft gates

L96[05:26:29] <Forecaster> as in keyboard/screen

L97[05:26:39] <Forecaster> and have input be directed at the computer

L98[05:26:56] <Vexatos> well that's exactly what we're talking about here >_>

L99[05:27:01] <Forecaster> I know

L100[05:27:14] <Vexatos> And apparently it was like that before OC ever got released

L101[05:27:23] <Vexatos> Sangar, I hope you still have that code. MAKE IT A THING

L102[05:27:34] <Sangar> ehhh, we'll see

L103[05:27:44] <Forecaster> wouldn't it be a case of not just rendering the gui?

L104[05:27:56] <dangranos> ^

L105[05:28:04] <dangranos> hm

L106[05:28:11] <dangranos> maybe it's not that easy?

L107[05:28:12] <Sangar> sorta. i had an invisible gui iirc, but that kinda sucks because you can't move the camera

L108[05:28:12] <Vexatos> Forecaster, problem is that MC GUI automatically darkens the screen

L109[05:28:23] <Vexatos> also that

L110[05:28:24] <Forecaster> ah

L111[05:28:33] <Vexatos> <Sandra> Sangar, FEATURE REQUEST. https://t.co/K6y0OxLWXC

L112[05:28:35] <dangranos> that "darken the screen" thing is so damn annoying

L113[05:28:35] <Vexatos> so do that ^

L114[05:28:36] <Vexatos> :P

L115[05:28:44] <Forecaster> I wouldn't expect to be able to move the camera if the inputs are being directed to the computer

L116[05:28:54] <Forecaster> like when the gui is open

L117[05:28:56] <dangranos> any way to rip that thing out of MC?

L118[05:29:07] <Vexatos> well, moving the camera would allow left/right clicking the screen still

L119[05:29:08] <Forecaster> that's probably more trouble than it's worht

L120[05:29:10] <Vexatos> that's why

L121[05:29:10] <Forecaster> worth*

L122[05:29:40] <Sandra> apparently that gui in that video moves the mouse manually.

L123[05:29:41] <Vexatos> Sandra, where did you get it

L124[05:29:52] <Vexatos> the video

L125[05:29:56] <Forecaster> but if you want to do that you can just quit the input mode and activate it like normal

L126[05:30:46] <Forecaster> but you can't activate screen click events on a screen with a keyboard attached anyway can you?

L127[05:30:48] <Vexatos> moving the mouse manually?

L128[05:30:58] <Vexatos> Like player head rotation?

L129[05:31:02] <Vexatos> that could work

L130[05:31:14] <Vexatos> there should be enough mouseover and mouse moving stuff in the GUI to do that

L131[05:31:21] <Vexatos> dooo eeet snagar

L132[05:31:39] <Sandra> it uses the inbuilt MC movement code.

L133[05:31:51] <Sandra> I wonder if sangar possibly could get the code used for that video.

L134[05:32:12] <Sandra> idk.

L135[05:32:30] <Sandra> Ecu tweeted it out.

L136[05:32:42] <Sangar> eh, i'll see what i can come up with

L137[05:32:52] <Vexatos> well, moving the player head manually is not hard at all

L138[05:32:56] <Vexatos> even on the client side

L139[05:33:03] <Vexatos> the harder part is making it look natural

L140[05:33:17] <Vexatos> probably need to call some weird vanilla methods >_>

L141[05:34:05] <Sandra> I'm sure it'd be /easier/ on the client side.

L142[05:34:13] <Sandra> such that it'd look more natural.

L143[05:39:30] <Turtle> Vexatos, moarperipherals has had a keyboard like that for quite a bit?

L144[05:40:18] <Vexatos> Turtle, I know

L145[05:40:21] <Vexatos> but it does it a lot differently

L146[05:40:29] <Turtle> oh?

L147[05:40:31] <Vexatos> yes

L148[05:42:12] <Turtle> Such as....?

L149[05:47:09] <Vexatos> Magic .-.

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L159[07:32:21] <S3> morning

L160[07:43:43] <Turtle> Morning

L161[07:44:50] <S3> This project red fabrication stuff is neat

L162[07:45:00] <S3> even though it takes twice as long to build any circuit in it

L163[07:47:03] <S3> There is only one problem with the ICs with project red I'd like to see accomplished

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L172[08:20:35] <S3> LOl

L173[08:20:59] <S3> Well that's interesting, my project red ICs look like an IC die a bit.

L174[08:23:06] <CompanionCube> either my GPU or my monitor is on the fritz

L175[08:23:09] <CompanionCube> I don't know which.

L176[08:25:23] <S3> http://postimg.org/image/cp4k1f4jl/

L177[08:25:24] <S3> tada

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L180[08:28:03] <S3> seems to work well

L181[08:31:59] <Vexatos> This looks so much like a clone of the ICs mod >_>

L182[08:36:30] <S3> it pretty much is

L183[08:36:35] <S3> it's just projectred

L184[08:36:44] <S3> but that is a dual seven segment decoder I made

L185[08:37:04] <S3> the ICs mod is crashing and crashing and crashing atm

L186[08:37:17] <S3> its super unstable

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L189[08:56:09] <S3> ol

L190[08:56:28] <S3> lol, so apparently when your IC gets big enough, it can yield.. dud chips

L191[08:56:40] <S3> undefined behavior whee

L192[09:24:28] <Skye> S3, use Vic's integrated circuits mod

L193[09:25:25] <Skye> it has a better UI, works with multiple types of redstone mods, and also hasn't got that bug

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L196[09:50:08] <vifino> sup.

L197[09:50:15] <LJack2k> hello

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L207[11:09:03] <gamax92> >_>

L208[11:09:12] <gamax92> someone tried to post the bytes of an exe in a youtube comment

L209[11:10:20] <CompanionCube> and

L210[11:11:43] <gamax92> CompanionCube: are you retarded?

L211[11:12:18] * CompanionCube just doesn't see it as being higher-than-normal stupid

L212[11:16:58] <Altenius> gamax92, link?

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L217[11:48:18] <Izaya> 2639 packets transmitted, 62 received, 97% packet loss, time 2638553ms

L218[11:49:09] <S3> ...

L219[11:49:36] <S3> gamax92: yeah, they shoulda posted bytes of an AOUT

L220[11:49:42] <S3> or ELF

L221[11:50:16] <gamax92> S3: zmagic

L222[11:52:34] <CompanionCube> they could've uuencoded it

L223[11:52:43] <S3> is that like imagemagik? :P

L224[11:54:29] <gamax92> S3: "aout"

L225[11:56:21] <Izaya> right

L226[11:56:31] <Izaya> caching http proxy using an ssh socks tunnel set up

L227[11:56:41] <Izaya> slow but at least I can use it

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L230[11:59:28] <gamax92> Izaya: you need to internet over dns

L231[11:59:34] <Wobbo> o/

L232[11:59:48] <Izaya> gamax92, 99% of the time DNS doesn't work

L233[11:59:56] <gamax92> wot really?

L234[12:00:21] <Izaya> really

L235[12:00:41] <Izaya> http proxy is using remote DNS

L236[12:01:27] <gamax92> did you forget to tcp over udp over tcp?

L237[12:01:38] <gamax92> gotta double the tunnels

L238[12:01:48] <Izaya> "He's behind 11 proxies!"

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L240[12:03:11] <S3> paying rent is not fun

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L242[12:03:24] <Wobbo> udp over tcp alone doesn't sound fun enough, we need more tcp!

L243[12:03:28] <S3> so one of my new bank accounts doesn't let me deposit to an atm

L244[12:03:46] <S3> and the online website where I pay rent charges me $17 to pay rent with a credit card

L245[12:04:04] <S3> with two accounts because of that limitation I had to make two payments, which charged me $34 bucks total. WTF

L246[12:04:07] <Wobbo> S3: where do you live?

L247[12:04:18] <S3> In an appartment

L248[12:04:31] <Wobbo> I meant in which country and stuff :P

L249[12:04:37] <S3> I'm easy to find

L250[12:04:44] <S3> I'm the one with an 8 kilowatt amplifier

L251[12:04:50] <Wobbo> Because the scenario you're describing sounds insane to me

L252[12:05:05] <S3> well I didn't want to spend all the money in one of my accounts

L253[12:05:09] <S3> because it was a bit low

L254[12:05:38] <S3> either way, I live in Maine :P

L255[12:06:07] <Wobbo> Americans and there out of date payment systems. That explains all.

L256[12:06:39] <S3> technically speaking

L257[12:06:50] <S3> Maine is not part of the United States according to the US

L258[12:07:04] <S3> The majority of people in the US do not know where Maine is

L259[12:07:37] <Wobbo> S3: thats because Muricans are stupid :P

L260[12:08:33] <gamax92> Maine is in New Zealand

L261[12:08:45] <gamax92> Right next to Brazil

L262[12:09:22] <S3> I think it would be neat to have cards with a chip in them that stores a private key locked away and does key pair auth. you can use as many of them as you want, different ones for what you want, and then when say you register an account at a bank, they can just swipe your card and it fetches the public key from your card

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L264[12:10:24] <Wobbo> Thats not as safe as a card with PIN

L265[12:10:34] <S3> that's actually not true :)

L266[12:10:38] <S3> the one problem is this:

L267[12:10:59] <Wobbo> Its only based on what you have, not on what you have + what you own

L268[12:11:00] <S3> how do you encrypt the private key in a way that you can decrypt it without the MITM problem

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L270[12:11:09] <Wobbo> s/own/know/

L271[12:11:10] <Kibibyte> <Wobbo> Its only based on what you have, not on what you have + what you know

L272[12:11:18] <Wobbo> Why is there no sed bot here? D:

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L276[12:13:18] <S3> pin based cards are very weak.

L277[12:13:21] <Wobbo> Damn you router!

L278[12:13:34] <S3> lol

L279[12:13:40] <S3> maybe you should build a proper router :)

L280[12:14:09] <Wobbo> I'm at my parents, not my problem :V

L281[12:14:13] <S3> lol

L282[12:14:16] <gamax92> >build

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L284[12:14:38] <S3> My router is a beaglebone black

L285[12:14:44] <S3> it only has one ethernet port

L286[12:15:23] <S3> It has never gone down and has never given me a single issue with bandwidth ever :)

L287[12:15:35] <Wobbo> But anyway, its important to build secure systems that require more than just ownership. Because then someone could steal it and use it.

L288[12:15:55] <Izaya> :|

L289[12:16:03] <Izaya> SMB shows a turned-off machine

L290[12:16:08] <Izaya> but not the one I want

L291[12:16:26] <S3> I never said the card would not require something else to prevent somebody from stealing it, though

L292[12:16:42] <S3> If I could find a way around the MITM problem it would be fine

L293[12:17:20] <Wobbo> You just need to trust your bank to not steal your shit

L294[12:17:32] <S3> you already do that

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L296[12:18:06] * CompanionCube would like to use a Mikrotik or FireBrick for his route

L297[12:18:22] <S3> I had a microtik lying around

L298[12:18:36] <S3> they are really nice piece of shit routers :)

L299[12:19:07] <CompanionCube> why are they pieces of shit?

L300[12:20:47] <S3> probably because it looks like somebody made every bit of software on that thing including the web interface in china

L301[12:21:00] <S3> not that you have to use the web interface

L302[12:21:24] * CompanionCube would totally use a firebrick if they weren't so expensive

L303[12:21:28] <S3> they just feel really hacky to me

L304[12:21:57] <CompanionCube> The lowest-priced on of those is �350+VAT

L305[12:22:00] <S3> not that my router isn't hacky

L306[12:22:40] <S3> My beaglebone sits at the switch and the beaglebone connects to it as a VLAN trunk

L307[12:22:51] <S3> and then the switch does the physical seperation of networks

L308[12:22:58] <S3> via vlans of course

L309[12:23:21] <S3> so all of them basically go into the beaglebone and then the beaglebone does layer 3 stuff.

L310[12:23:45] <Izaya> my router is an odd combination of a shitty TP-Link ADSL2+ modem/router and a ThinkPad T400

L311[12:23:52] <S3> with a full duplex nic, I haven't had any bandwidth problems with it at all

L312[12:24:01] <S3> haha

L313[12:28:12] <Wobbo> Izaya: but that is because all technology in your room is an odd combination

L314[12:28:17] <S3> haha///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

L315[12:28:21] <S3> friggin cat

L316[12:28:25] <S3> steppin on my arrow keys

L317[12:28:42] <Izaya> Wobbo, I disagree

L318[12:28:53] <Izaya> I have the original charger for my tablet

L319[12:29:06] <S3> original or not it doesn't matter.

L320[12:29:27] <Wobbo> Izaya: but your tablet is handmade off course :P

L321[12:29:38] <Izaya> Wobbo, made by Toshiba

L322[12:29:48] <S3> if the voltage is the same and there is >= the ammount of current, and the regulation is good enough for what you need then what does it matter

L323[12:29:52] <Wobbo> Damn, you're letting me down :P

L324[12:30:06] <Izaya> Wobbo, mind you,

L325[12:30:09] <S3> power is easy :)

L326[12:30:25] <Izaya> under my desk I have a row of like 8 questionably-functional towers

L327[12:30:39] <S3> why

L328[12:30:45] <S3> I have a rack. you should get one

L329[12:30:48] <Wobbo> Because he is Izaya

L330[12:31:03] <Izaya> S3, do you think I have money for a rack?

L331[12:31:06] <Izaya> For context

L332[12:31:08] <Izaya> those machines

L333[12:31:10] <Izaya> the newest

L334[12:31:11] <S3> Izaya: I built my rack

L335[12:31:13] <S3> out of wood

L336[12:31:13] <S3> :P

L337[12:31:18] <Izaya> is a Core 2 Duo E6300

L338[12:31:28] <S3> 64 bit huh.

L339[12:31:42] <Izaya> the oldest is a 486SX

L340[12:31:47] <Wobbo> He lives in a windowless room that is filled with computerparts with furniture made of empty cans and pizza boxes :P

L341[12:31:53] <S3> Izaya: thats the one you want

L342[12:31:57] <S3> trhe 486 is what you need.,

L343[12:32:13] <Izaya> Wobbo, it has a window

L344[12:32:15] <Izaya> next to the bar

L345[12:32:25] <S3> even though I hate x86

L346[12:32:38] <Wobbo> Why does your room have a bar? O_o

L347[12:32:39] <S3> the entire line of x86 kind of sucks

L348[12:32:42] * Izaya wants an FPGA board for RISC-V

L349[12:32:49] <gamax92> Izaya is an alcoholic

L350[12:32:56] <S3> Izaya: hold on I got soemthing I'd like you to look at

L351[12:33:03] <S3> because I'm considering ordering it myself

L352[12:33:19] <S3> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11953

L353[12:33:22] <S3> it was on adafruit

L354[12:33:33] <S3> what do you think of that?

L355[12:33:56] <S3> it's a simple board but what's really exciting is that it has an ATMega324

L356[12:33:57] * Izaya waits for it to load

L357[12:34:03] <S3> as a coprocessor

L358[12:34:29] <S3> and you can program that with isp and put whatever. use it for IO handling, etc

L359[12:34:58] <S3> but best of all it's cheap as heck

L360[12:35:07] <Izaya> I like it - no I/O besides just pins, but if you don't need any other ports it sounds kickass

L361[12:35:19] <Izaya> you could always roll your own I/O anyway

L362[12:35:20] <S3> right

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L364[12:35:55] <Izaya> Honestly, the most I know about FPGAs is from TIS-100

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L367[12:36:05] <S3> The simple IO + cheap + ATMega on the board as a coprocessor is an amazing idea imop

L368[12:36:06] <Izaya> so I'm probably not the best person to ask

L369[12:36:07] <S3> imo*

L370[12:36:31] <Izaya> but yeah, the co-processor sounds cool, especially if you can run the Arduino firmware on there

L371[12:36:46] <S3> oh yeah I didn't think of that

L372[12:36:59] <S3> I have an ATMega324 myself I use but don't put arduino crap on it

L373[12:37:02] <Izaya> you could configure the board as any Arduino board

L374[12:37:09] <S3> I just compile C for it and use avrdude to flash it

L375[12:37:10] <Izaya> use existing projects

L376[12:37:26] <Izaya> impliment the controllers in the FPGA

L377[12:37:39] <S3> you could use the FPGA as the IO controller for the atmega.. or you could use the atmega for the IO of the FPGA....

L378[12:37:41] <S3> :P

L379[12:38:32] <Wobbo> Izaya: why does your room have a bar?

L380[12:38:41] <Izaya> <gamax92> Izaya is an alcoholic

L381[12:38:45] <S3> Izaya: I was thinking it would be cool to make my own architecture on that FPGA and then port micro/embedded lua to it

L382[12:38:45] <Izaya> something like that

L383[12:38:53] <S3> and then it can be a real life OC computer.

L384[12:38:58] <gamax92> hmm ... Izaya isn't an alcoholic

L385[12:39:09] <gamax92> an alcoholic wouldn't admit they're an alcoholic

L386[12:39:21] <S3> hmm

L387[12:39:36] <S3> the one thing I don't see

L388[12:39:39] <Wobbo> gamax92: Maybe Izaya is accepting that he has a problem.

L389[12:39:46] <S3> is that I don't see an eeprom on that board for just general storage

L390[12:39:50] <S3> Izaya: ^

L391[12:40:12] <Wobbo> gamax92: We should support him in quiting alcohol. Making Izaya go cold turkey seems like the best idea

L392[12:40:12] <Izaya> mmmmm, you'd probably want to attach a SPI one

L393[12:40:20] <S3> right

L394[12:40:27] <Izaya> or two

L395[12:40:28] <Izaya> or 3

L396[12:40:30] <Izaya> or 4

L397[12:40:34] <S3> yuou could store it in the free memory of the atmega

L398[12:40:36] <Izaya> or make a custom PCB full of them

L399[12:40:43] <S3> but that gets dirty and atmegas have small eeproms

L400[12:41:02] <S3> I think what I would do

L401[12:41:13] <S3> I could make the atmega into a pxe boot chip

L402[12:41:20] <S3> and pxe boot the fpga arch

L403[12:41:42] <S3> if I wrote my own arch on it

L404[12:43:42] <S3> but for the most part I wanted to test an MMU for my 6502 SBC

L405[12:43:57] <S3> gamax92: which has a 200Mhz WDC 65c02 on it :)

L406[12:44:10] <Izaya> not 65c816?

L407[12:44:23] <S3> I could do that, but I don't know how to wire those up

L408[12:44:33] <S3> at all

L409[12:44:45] <Izaya> 65C816 + proper MMU -> probably OP

L410[12:45:11] <Izaya> IIRC its 'MMU' is just for getting 256x the address space, not protection or anything

L411[12:46:00] <S3> the purpose of the MMU I would design on my SBC was to allow runtime setup of a custom memory map by strapping a header to your 6502 programs

L412[12:46:51] <CompanionCube> izaya going cold turkey would result in the loss of your /home

L413[12:47:00] <S3> and also allow bank switching for pxe booting using RARP + TFTP on the EEPROM, loading the bootable code into RAM, bank switching it with the eeprom to get back your 8K of memory

L414[12:47:20] <S3> that itself is a pretty nice set of features.

L415[12:47:54] <S3> by the way did any of you guys see the dual 7 segment decoder I built using project red fabrication this morning?

L416[12:48:13] <S3> it's for those bundled cable segment displays

L417[12:48:40] <S3> http://postimg.org/image/cp4k1f4jl/full/

L418[12:48:43] <Wobbo> CompanionCube: We just need to rm -rf /home/izaya/booze

L419[12:48:58] <CompanionCube> Wobbo, operation not permitted

L420[12:49:09] <Izaya> Wobbo, sudo rm -rf /home/wobbo

L421[12:49:15] <Wobbo> sudo rm -rf /home/izaya/booze

L422[12:49:27] <CompanionCube> and then

L423[12:49:33] <CompanionCube> ln -s /dev/null /home/wobbo

L424[12:49:47] <CompanionCube> systemctl stop wobbo.service

L425[12:49:59] <Izaya> systemctl disable wobbo.service

L426[12:50:09] <Izaya> rm -f /usr/bin/wobbo

L427[12:50:12] <CompanionCube> systemctl mask wobbo.service

L428[12:50:18] <Wobbo> Luckily I run OS X :P

L429[12:50:32] <Izaya> Wobbo, well in that case

L430[12:50:38] <Izaya> I simply stare at your machine

L431[12:50:45] <Izaya> and it spontaneously combusts

L432[12:50:50] <CompanionCube> or

L433[12:50:51] <Izaya> :D

L434[12:50:57] <CompanionCube> boot into singleuser and wipe out the root filesystem

L435[12:51:11] <Izaya> "didn't need that one!"

L436[12:51:32] <Izaya> 'nyway

L437[12:51:41] <Izaya> I want to continue playing Mad Max

L438[12:51:46] <Izaya> so I'm gonna reboot back to Windows

L439[12:51:54] <Izaya> because screw setting up WINE properly

L440[12:52:27] <Wobbo> just brew install wine woked poperly for me.

L441[12:52:46] <Izaya> Wobbo, but setting up WINE is like setting up Windows

L442[12:52:59] <Izaya> you have to tell it to be 32-bit except when it shouldn't

L443[12:53:10] <Izaya> and then you need DerpX

L444[12:53:20] <Izaya> .NET crawltime

L445[12:53:31] <Izaya> etc etc

L446[12:53:40] <Izaya> anyway

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L448[12:53:50] <gamax92> Izaya: I have a single program to do all that for me

L449[12:53:51] <Izaya> I'd need to reinstall the game if I did that anyway

L450[12:53:52] <Wobbo> Then why buy windows only games?

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L452[12:54:02] <Izaya> Wobbo, I didn't buy it.

L453[12:54:03] <lperkins2> hm, can't open files r+ in OC?

L454[12:54:15] <S3> gamax92: do you think its scary how my ic looks kinda like a real ic die? :P

L455[12:54:19] <S3> which I didn't intend

L456[12:54:39] <gamax92> does DirectX, all C++ runtimes for both architectures, .NET stuffs, flash player, Java, etc

L457[12:54:55] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Nope, no bidirectional reading in OC

L458[12:55:05] <Izaya> gamax92, I'll need to get the name of that off you at some point, but at the moment, reboot time.

L459[12:55:34] <asie> Sangar: an unofficial 1.8 port of BC came out

L460[12:55:47] <asie> however, due to the uneasy state of RF on 1.8, it uses its own MJ power system

L461[12:55:56] <asie> it's not a terrible API, but I urge you to look into implementing it as he said the API is stable

L462[12:56:10] <asie> Sangar: https://github.com/AlexIIL/BuildCraft/tree/alexiil-7.x-mc1.8/

L463[12:57:02] <S3> until you prove unstable

L464[12:57:31] <gamax92> S3: wrong type of stability

L465[12:58:19] <sugoi> so my wife's laptop. power adapter died, bought a cheap one via amazon from some unknown distributor from the orient. plugged it in today - now we get to buy a new laptop

L466[12:58:21] <lperkins2> hm, seeking doesn't seem to work either...

L467[12:58:39] <lperkins2> eh, looks like I'll need to use the internet card instead :(

L468[12:59:05] * Skye pokes S3

L469[12:59:24] <Wobbo> sugoi: LOL, is the harddisk still useable or did she lose everything?

L470[13:00:20] <S3> ITS WORKING! :D

L471[13:00:21] <S3> http://postimg.org/image/pdxuui7hx/

L472[13:00:34] <S3> awesome

L473[13:00:43] <S3> though it's upside down.. meh.

L474[13:01:00] <S3> the 8th segment should be on the bottom. oh well! :D

L475[13:01:08] <S3> it's extremely fast too

L476[13:01:43] <Skye> S3 use Vic's integrated ciruits

L477[13:01:50] <Skye> better displays and ciruits

L478[13:01:51] <S3> too unstable

L479[13:01:58] <Skye> what do you mean?

L480[13:01:59] <sugoi> Wobbo: i don't know yet. we use an in house owncloud to sync and backup all our files. so nothing like that would be lost

L481[13:02:06] <S3> it crashes constantly and constantly and constantly

L482[13:02:11] <S3> on like everything I've tried it on

L483[13:02:17] <Skye> S3, have your reported the bugs?

L484[13:02:23] <sugoi> but it is reasonably possible that the drive is okay

L485[13:02:42] <S3> not yet, because the error message is longer than my log file size and I can't see the initial top of the traces

L486[13:02:45] <Skye> ...

L487[13:02:46] <S3> lol

L488[13:02:47] <Skye> uhm

L489[13:02:51] <Skye> what

L490[13:02:54] <S3> exactly

L491[13:03:02] <Skye> I don't think ICs can do that

L492[13:03:17] <Wobbo> sugoi: Ah, so the only thing that is lost is the laptop itself

L493[13:03:21] <Skye> I blame another mod messing with it

L494[13:03:26] <S3> but it seemed pretty useful though. it was slightly less annoying than project red's interface

L495[13:03:34] <S3> could have been

L496[13:03:36] <sugoi> Wobbo: yeah, sparks, turned off, left the room with a bit of an ozone smell

L497[13:03:59] <S3> either way

L498[13:04:10] <S3> my PAL decoder is super fast and works well

L499[13:04:11] <Skye> S3, can you report a bug with your computer details and your mod list?

L500[13:04:13] <sugoi> and now wont turn on

L501[13:04:45] <S3> I could, but I don't think itl mean much until I find a way to make my logs larger

L502[13:04:59] <S3> I dunno why it's even truncating?

L503[13:05:08] <S3> should just go until you run out of disk space imo

L504[13:05:11] <Skye> at least give me something

L505[13:05:39] * Skye pokes S3

L506[13:05:44] <S3> \are you the maintainer? :P

L507[13:05:58] <S3> crap. I shoulda stayed quiet. lololol just kidding XD

L508[13:06:13] <Skye> I am a maintainer, kind of

L509[13:06:27] <Skye> I'm not smart enough, but I can do some things

L510[13:08:45] * Skye pokes S3

L511[13:11:19] <Wobbo> S3: Yeah, now you're screwed :P

L512[13:11:27] <Skye> what?

L513[13:11:31] <Skye> I like to know what's wrong

L514[13:11:36] <Skye> so issues can be fixed

L515[13:12:43] <sugoi> S3: i think Wobbo meant that comment for me

L516[13:13:24] <Wobbo> sugoi: nope. You're not screwed, you just need to spend more money. S3 now has to help debugging without log files

L517[13:13:35] <sugoi> ah :)

L518[13:13:39] <sugoi> perspective, i guess :)

L519[13:14:12] <Skye> ...

L520[13:14:14] <Skye> I am not mean

L521[13:14:46] <Wobbo> Skye: Not saying you are mean, saying drbugging without log files isn't fun

L522[13:15:09] <Skye> pls

L523[13:15:18] <Skye> I asked for mod list and computer specs

L524[13:15:25] <Skye> and I would like all I can from the logs

L525[13:17:18] <S3> Skye: don't worry, I'll get you something, but it can't be right now

L526[13:17:24] <S3> I ripped it out yesterday

L527[13:17:33] <S3> so I'll have to put it back in and toy with it more

L528[13:23:06] <Sangar> asie: interesting, i'll look into it

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L531[13:31:40] <S3> man

L532[13:31:47] <S3> scj643's server is lagging really bad

L533[13:32:05] <scj643> What's happening

L534[13:32:09] <S3> I have no idea

L535[13:32:15] <S3> it just started lagging massively

L536[13:32:15] <scj643> Let me check

L537[13:32:19] <S3> can't eveb place blocks anymore

L538[13:33:22] <scj643> Not getting any errors on the console

L539[13:33:44] <scj643> Restarting

L540[13:34:20] <S3> I made two ICs

L541[13:34:26] <S3> one is a dual 7 segment decoder

L542[13:34:42] <S3> takes an 8 bit number and drives two 7 segment decoders (or one bundled one)

L543[13:34:49] <S3> can display 00 - FF

L544[13:34:58] <S3> the other is a binary counter

L545[13:37:31] <scj643> Well pulse audio has been a pain recently

L546[13:38:23] <scj643> Need to make it so I can have specific programs go to my speakers and others to my headphones

L547[13:38:40] <scj643> Got that working in mumble since I can just pick from also

L548[13:38:44] <scj643> ALSA

L549[13:39:59] <scj643> I Think I might have a busted USB port on my laptop

L550[13:45:00] <scj643> S3 can you get on mumble

L551[13:45:13] <S3> maybe

L552[13:45:28] <S3> not at the moment but later yeah probably

L553[13:45:33] <S3> I'm in a conference call atm

L554[13:45:58] <Skye> S3, Vic's ICs has segment displays with built in decoaders

L555[13:45:58] <scj643> Ok

L556[13:46:06] <Skye> including 16bit floats

L557[13:46:45] <scj643> iPad smart cases break down over 2 years of use

L558[13:46:52] <scj643> Smart covers not so much

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L560[13:47:23] <scj643> Getting a new metal and polyurethane case from monoprice

L561[13:47:24] <sugoi> Sangar: is there sh variable (in the shell) equivalent to os.setenv/getenv ?

L562[13:47:33] <sugoi> sh variable access

L563[13:47:49] <sugoi> you can get with $, echo $HOME for example. so i guess i'm asking about set

L564[13:47:56] <lperkins2> any way to set the internet card to blocking read?

L565[13:48:02] <S3> scj643: metal?

L566[13:48:06] <S3> like the metal I played last night?

L567[13:48:08] <S3> :D

L568[13:48:16] <S3> I can not figure out how to get jack to work

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L570[13:48:52] <Sangar> sugoi, http://git.io/vc6va is that what you mean?

L571[13:48:53] <S3> lperkins2: give an example

L572[13:49:01] <scj643> Jack is a pain

L573[13:49:15] <lperkins2> I mean I write to a network socket (internet card), and need to wait for the reply

L574[13:49:17] <scj643> Pulse is half broken on my system

L575[13:49:28] <sugoi> Sangar: yes

L576[13:49:40] <lperkins2> I can just do while not buffer do os.sleep(1) buffer=ic.read() end

L577[13:49:54] <lperkins2> but if there's a way to make it sleep till a message arrives, that'd be better

L578[13:50:09] <S3> oh, like a passive event handler?

L579[13:50:28] <lperkins2> like a blocking read in any sane language including lua not in OC :-P

L580[13:50:31] <scj643> That would be great for pushbullet

L581[13:50:49] <scj643> Think my mouses receiver is going bad

L582[13:50:58] <sugoi> Sangar: any intereset in supporting `k=v` be equivalent to `set k=v`?

L583[13:51:32] <lperkins2> Oh, looks like I may be able to do a pull signal thingy...

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L586[13:53:30] <S3> pushbullet seems pretty neat

L587[13:53:58] <S3> lperkins2: yes you can pull for events. this sort of thing is actually what OCBSD will be taking care of (my OC os)

L588[13:54:01] <S3> :)

L589[13:54:27] <S3> since you won't be handling events in OCBSD, you will be handling file IO

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L591[13:54:51] <lperkins2> I wrote a twisted-style reactor for doing this, still have a copy someplace

L592[13:55:09] <lperkins2> but this is too simple to justify using that...

L593[13:55:31] <scj643> S3 try to keep the noise making comments to a minimal

L594[13:55:40] <Wobbo> sugoi: whats wrong with just using set?

L595[13:56:01] <lperkins2> so, I don't see a signal for the internet card, I see one for the modems...

L596[13:56:28] <S3> scj643: what noise making comments?

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L599[13:57:31] <Sangar> sugoi, and have it apply to only that command, like `BLAH=stuff someprog`? i guess... can't remember what the status wrt to per-program shell env is though.

L600[13:57:32] <scj643> Before you had project red toggle latches

L601[13:57:50] <scj643> Just put a lever on your timers when your done

L602[13:57:54] <lperkins2> Nope, doesn't look like any events fire when internet card get messages...

L603[13:57:58] <S3> yeah I crashed

L604[13:58:10] <scj643> What?

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L606[14:02:43] <S3> I was thinking I should work on that FORTH REPL today scj643

L607[14:02:47] <S3> its almost done

L608[14:09:23] <scj643> Ok

L609[14:21:19] <scj643> Made a silent timer with ICs

L610[14:23:38] <scj643> Also never quickly break and replace anything that is Project Red

L611[14:30:36] <lperkins2> Wow, there's a lot of latency on the internet card..

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L614[14:34:04] <Harkole> evening guys

L615[14:34:31] <gamax92> lperkins2: ya

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L618[14:38:15] <vifino> S3: jack as in jack audio?

L619[14:38:23] <scj643> #lua 7*4

L620[14:38:23] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 28

L621[14:38:45] <scj643> Jack audio has been a pain for me

L622[14:38:46] <Harkole> anyone able to point me in the direction of a OpenComputers -> WarpDrive tutorial (trying out the EnanReactor but can't get it to generate power)

L623[14:39:08] <scj643> Going to have to backup my repos and reinstall damn

L624[14:39:27] <scj643> Or get ride of mate and restart

L625[14:40:00] <scj643> #ua 28*160

L626[14:40:31] <scj643> #lua 28*160

L627[14:40:31] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 4480

L628[14:40:36] <vifino> scj643: >jack is a pain

L629[14:40:47] <vifino> you are a pain. jack? not so much.

L630[14:40:54] <vifino> just read the darn man page.

L631[14:40:57] <vifino> q_q

L632[14:41:07] <scj643> My pulse audio setup got messed up

L633[14:41:09] <lperkins2> jack is somewhat unstable

L634[14:41:18] <vifino> pulse messes itself up, thats normal.

L635[14:41:37] <lperkins2> the man page doesn't do much good when the program behaviour doesn't match the man page

L636[14:42:59] <vifino> lperkins2: What do you mean, "unstable"?

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L638[14:43:33] <lperkins2> I mean that it's somewhat unpredictable how it and pulse and alsa will all interact

L639[14:43:42] <lperkins2> depending on pulse and alsa versions,

L640[14:43:58] <vifino> Uuuh.

L641[14:44:03] <lperkins2> I haven't messed with it in like a year,

L642[14:44:13] <lperkins2> but when I was doing audio stuff regularly

L643[14:44:37] <vifino> If you mess up your pulse configs, pulse won't run on top of jack, no.

L644[14:44:50] <lperkins2> sometimes you emerge the latest jack, pulse, and alsa, and they pretty much work out of the box

L645[14:44:55] <vifino> And if you don't configure alsa the correct way, it won't redirect to jack, no.

L646[14:45:07] <lperkins2> and sometimes they don't

L647[14:45:31] <vifino> Works fine wherever I use it.

L648[14:46:04] <vifino> Even my pi runs jack, handles it just fine.

L649[14:46:19] <scj643> Need to reset all my pulse and alsa configured

L650[14:46:22] <scj643> Configs

L651[14:47:34] <vifino> lperkins2: If you want, I'm gonna help you set up jack.

L652[14:47:45] <vifino> Because I've done it way too often.

L653[14:47:55] <lperkins2> Nah, I may take you up on that at some point

L654[14:48:13] <lperkins2> but at the moment, everythings working, and I'm not doing anything fancy

L655[14:48:28] <scj643> Is jack good for changing what audio goes where

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L657[14:48:45] <lperkins2> jack's the most flexible of the sound systems

L658[14:48:53] <scj643> P

L659[14:49:10] <scj643> Can you help me with setting it up vifino

L660[14:49:25] <lperkins2> last time I had to use it, it was for a dual-seat setup, 2 sets of speakers with 2 DEs, and needed to avoid the cross-talk

L661[14:50:09] <scj643> I need it to route spotify To my tv speakers and everything else to my headphones

L662[14:50:59] <vifino> won't work.

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L664[14:51:10] <scj643> What,..

L665[14:51:36] <vifino> spotify uses pulse, pulse is connected as one client to jack.

L666[14:51:39] <scj643> Can you at least point me a way to reset all the configs to the package maintainers version

L667[14:51:55] <scj643> Damn

L668[14:51:57] <vifino> purge and reinstall

L669[14:52:07] <scj643> Can't system dependency

L670[14:52:10] <lperkins2> um, you can run a second copy of pulse as a different user

L671[14:52:17] <scj643> Stupid Debian

L672[14:52:22] <scj643> Ubuntu

L673[14:52:37] <scj643> It requires it and I can't just purge it

L674[14:52:40] <vifino> lperkins2: eeeh, thats prune to get in trouble

L675[14:52:47] <lperkins2> which can act as a second jack client

L676[14:52:58] <lperkins2> true, but it's what you do for a dual-seat :)

L677[14:53:12] <vifino> :v

L678[14:53:18] <scj643> I need to reset my audio configs but can't do a purge

L679[14:53:26] <lperkins2> do a debootstrap,

L680[14:53:29] <lperkins2> then copy the configs out

L681[14:53:37] <lperkins2> (of the chroot)

L682[14:53:47] <scj643> .....

L683[14:54:01] <scj643> Never worked with chariots

L684[14:54:04] <scj643> Chroots

L685[14:54:13] <lperkins2> um, apt-get install debootstrap

L686[14:54:22] <lperkins2> debootstrap <somescratch spot>

L687[14:54:36] <lperkins2> chroot <somescratch spot>

L688[14:54:44] <lperkins2> apt-get install pulseaudio

L689[14:54:48] <scj643> Ok

L690[14:55:01] <scj643> Run as root?

L691[14:55:05] <lperkins2> might need to mount --bind /dev <somescratch spot>/dev before you chroot to it

L692[14:55:10] <lperkins2> either root or fakeroot

L693[14:55:39] <lperkins2> no real reason not to run as root (as long as you don't accidentially rm-rf / outside the chroot when you think you're inside it...)

L694[14:55:58] <scj643> Never used chroots though

L695[14:56:15] <lperkins2> chroot as root is fine

L696[14:56:26] <lperkins2> it just sets the / location to a new pot

L697[14:56:27] <lperkins2> spot

L698[14:57:10] <scj643> ..... Give me a crash course in chroots

L699[14:57:23] <lperkins2> um, command is

L700[14:57:26] <lperkins2> chroot <path>

L701[14:57:40] <lperkins2> it runs <path>/bin/bash (by default)

L702[14:58:00] <vifino> s/ba//

L703[14:58:00] <Kibibyte> <lperkins2> it runs <path>/bin/sh (by default)

L704[14:58:02] <lperkins2> and redirects all file-io pointed at /<something> to <path>/<something>

L705[14:59:02] <lperkins2> um...

L706[14:59:04] <lperkins2> no...

L707[14:59:17] <lperkins2> probably runs whatever root's default shell is...

L708[14:59:23] <lperkins2> which is bash for me

L709[14:59:33] <lperkins2> chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory

L710[14:59:46] <scj643> Debootstrap is asking for a suite

L711[15:00:03] <lperkins2> um, tell it whatever is closest to your distro

L712[15:00:11] <lperkins2> if you're on ubuntu, probably debian testing

L713[15:00:20] <lperkins2> some of the ubuntu releases are listed too

L714[15:01:00] <lperkins2> # sudo chroot . /bin/sh

L715[15:01:00] <lperkins2> sh-4.3#

L716[15:02:13] <scj643> Vivid is my release

L717[15:02:39] <lperkins2> hm, not in debootstrap yet,

L718[15:03:02] <lperkins2> possibly in the latesst

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L720[15:03:36] <lperkins2> (>1.0.40~ubuntu0.7)

L721[15:04:45] <scj643> I'm debootstraping into the chroot directory then running chroot

L722[15:04:52] <lperkins2> yup

L723[15:05:01] <scj643> Ok

L724[15:05:15] <lperkins2> debootstrap will download and unpack the base .debs needed for a minimal system

L725[15:05:22] <scj643> Ok

L726[15:05:37] <lperkins2> <suite> tells it which set of package repos to hit for the files

L727[15:05:47] <scj643> Then I grab pulse and alsa then grab the files

L728[15:05:52] <lperkins2> yup

L729[15:06:06] <scj643> I did vivid since that's what 15.04 is

L730[15:06:24] <lperkins2> yeah, best to make it match

L731[15:06:56] <scj643> Unpacking

L732[15:07:20] <scj643> Will the chroot be 64 bit by default?

L733[15:07:26] <scj643> Yes it is

L734[15:07:38] <lperkins2> it'll be the host arch

L735[15:07:38] <scj643> Seeing amd 64 packages

L736[15:07:48] <lperkins2> (you can use it for arm or ppc too)

L737[15:07:49] <scj643> No virtualization right?

L738[15:08:14] <lperkins2> only if you use qemu's binformat support

L739[15:08:20] <scj643> Ok

L740[15:08:35] <lperkins2> (and make the chroot's arch!=host arch)

L741[15:08:41] <scj643> Not using qemu since my system doesn't support 64bit virtualization

L742[15:09:01] <sugoi> Wobbo: was afk, back. just to make the env more linux like is all.

L743[15:09:01] <scj643> Hope I have enough HDD space

L744[15:09:05] <lperkins2> It's just a kernel supported io redirect

L745[15:09:13] <gamax92> You can't play the original song over your cover to hide the fact that you are not actually that good at covering songs

L746[15:09:22] <sugoi> Sangar: ah, not equivalent. session only. k=v would be $k for session only

L747[15:09:47] <scj643> How big is a minimal system

L748[15:10:11] <gamax92> scj643: minimal for what

L749[15:10:23] <sugoi> export thus would be set, perhaps just an alias to set

L750[15:10:26] <gamax92> (I just got here btw)

L751[15:10:54] <lperkins2> a few hundred MB usually

L752[15:10:56] <lperkins2> like 800ish

L753[15:10:56] <scj643> How do I tell if I'm in a chroot

L754[15:11:12] <lperkins2> um, you called chroot and the path swaps to /

L755[15:11:31] <scj643> I was in root when I called it

L756[15:11:38] <lperkins2> heh

L757[15:11:43] <gamax92> scj643: you are currently in a chroot, just another process that's restricted to this universe

L758[15:11:53] <scj643> Ok

L759[15:12:00] <lperkins2> if you didn't get an error, then you're in the chroot

L760[15:12:12] <lperkins2> if you're unsure, look in /home or something

L761[15:12:35] <scj643> Can I run gui stuff from a chroot

L762[15:12:37] <gamax92> I have to frequently borrow from debian sid for updated stuff

L763[15:12:52] <scj643> Like synaptic

L764[15:12:57] <lperkins2> you can

L765[15:13:09] <scj643> Good

L766[15:13:11] <lperkins2> set xhost+ outside the chroot

L767[15:13:21] <scj643> ....

L768[15:13:28] <gamax92> though occasionally I get dependency hell because what I want is too updated

L769[15:13:40] <lperkins2> and you'll need to bind mount /dev, /dev/pts, and possibly /proc

L770[15:13:50] <gamax92> even though when you force the package it runs fine

L771[15:14:00] <lperkins2> (mount --bind /dev <chroot>/dev)

L772[15:14:05] <gamax92> lperkins2

L773[15:14:13] <lperkins2> yes?

L774[15:14:22] <gamax92> where is x86 ...

L775[15:14:31] <scj643> My chroot is in /chroot

L776[15:14:35] <lperkins2> functional, but lacking device drivers

L777[15:14:55] <gamax92> lperkins2: fix

L778[15:15:06] <lperkins2> you have to fire the kernel up outputing to ttyS0 and reading from tty0

L779[15:15:15] <lperkins2> my initramfs making script ignores me

L780[15:15:24] <gamax92> oh what, that ARM emulator project is dead

L781[15:15:44] <lperkins2> and I've been working on python.lua instead

L782[15:15:51] <gamax92> ... is that what I think it is

L783[15:15:52] <gamax92> I hope not.

L784[15:15:53] <gamax92> why

L785[15:15:56] <vifino> oh god

L786[15:16:29] <lperkins2> I very much doubt that it is

L787[15:16:36] <gamax92> what is it then

L788[15:16:48] <lperkins2> it's similar to what you think it is

L789[15:17:02] <gamax92> WHAT

L790[15:17:03] <gamax92> IS

L791[15:17:04] <gamax92> IT

L792[15:17:06] <gamax92> jeez man

L793[15:17:09] <gamax92> spill the beans

L794[15:17:19] <Izaya> not on the floor :/

L795[15:17:19] <gamax92> don't fucking keep holding back

L796[15:17:36] <lperkins2> little busy, jeez

L797[15:17:47] <lperkins2> it's an implementation of the python vm in lua

L798[15:17:48] <gamax92> bullshit

L799[15:17:58] <gamax92> if you have time to not tell me what it is you have time to tell me what it is

L800[15:18:05] <lperkins2> it's not an implementation of the python language in lua

L801[15:18:25] <Wobbo> lperkins2: will you actually be able to call Lua functions in python.lua

L802[15:18:29] <lperkins2> yes

L803[15:18:30] <sugoi> Sangar: `k=v` would be session only and inherited to child programs

L804[15:18:48] <lperkins2> I'm using it to interact with the component table in an repl right now

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L806[15:19:52] <Wobbo> lperkins2: and you can also import lua libraries and the like?

L807[15:20:13] <lperkins2> lua names must be bound to the python global namespace before start

L808[15:20:27] <lperkins2> of course, if you bind require, then you can require() anything you want

L809[15:20:55] <lperkins2> it also can handle importing python scripts (and libraries)

L810[15:21:26] <lperkins2> the speed is not excellent, but it isn't as disasterously slow as I'd expected it to be.

L811[15:21:30] <scj643> Might just switch back to Ubuntu mate 14.04

L812[15:21:58] <lperkins2> should just be apt-get install pulseaudio from insside your chroot

L813[15:22:33] <scj643> Thing is my problem isn't going to be easily fixed like that also it's a lot quicker to do a reinstall

L814[15:22:49] <lperkins2> aye,

L815[15:23:05] <lperkins2> the pulseaudio forced integration was part of why I moved to gentoo

L816[15:24:11] <Vic> S3, crash reports or I can't do anything!

L817[15:24:19] <Vic> (out of context, just keep going...)

L818[15:24:22] <gamax92> lperkins2: what are you talking about?

L819[15:24:51] <lperkins2> which? Wobbo and I were talking about python.lua, scj's trying to fix his pulseaudio setup

L820[15:25:00] <gamax92> pulseaudio being forced

L821[15:25:20] <gamax92> I'm using ubuntu mate just fine with pure alsa, no pulse running

L822[15:25:29] <Wobbo> lperkins2: but you couldn't `import robot`?

L823[15:25:39] <lperkins2> no, it'd be require('robot')

L824[15:26:18] <lperkins2> but after that, it's the usual robot.<whatever>

L825[15:26:57] <lperkins2> it even spits out something resembling stack traces

L826[15:27:17] <Skye> Vic, apparently the S3's crash log manages to be truncated

L827[15:27:57] <Vic> infinite loop or whatever, just need one line...

L828[15:28:18] <Wobbo> lperkins2: so can you also access things like tostring and tonumber?

L829[15:28:39] <Skye> S3!

L830[15:28:48] <lperkins2> tonumber is bound to int, since I just use lua's number for python ints and floats

L831[15:29:04] <Skye> S3, just give Vic whatever's left of the crashlog

L832[15:29:29] <lperkins2> tostring isn't available, since str(obj) gets you a pseudo-python string instead

L833[15:29:49] <lperkins2> (str(obj).s would give you the raw string)

L834[15:30:39] <Wobbo> I mean functions in Lua that aren't part of a library.

L835[15:30:49] <scj643> Reinstalling and purging my config folders sounds good

L836[15:30:59] <scj643> Keeping the steam configs

L837[15:31:00] <Wobbo> Do you have to load those before you start the vm?

L838[15:31:05] <lperkins2> yeah, you do

L839[15:31:37] <lperkins2> or modify the lookup function to check for them (via eval or something?) if they'r not found in python

L840[15:31:59] <lperkins2> I don't know how to do a builtin-function lookup by name in lua

L841[15:32:42] <Wobbo> lperkins2: search through _G

L842[15:32:59] <lperkins2> ah, didn't know about thaat

L843[15:33:09] <lperkins2> you could simply bind _G as your builtins module

L844[15:33:14] <Wobbo> #lua _G["require"]

L845[15:33:18] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L846[15:33:35] <vifino> #lua _G["print"]

L847[15:33:35] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > function: 0x7fd550036be0

L848[15:33:39] <gamax92> search through _ENV

L849[15:33:51] <gamax92> get with the times

L850[15:34:00] <lperkins2> #lua _G==_ENV

L851[15:34:00] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > true

L852[15:34:09] <Wobbo> _G and _ENV are basically the same thing

L853[15:34:18] * vifino slaps gamax92

L854[15:34:18] * EnderBot2 high-fives vifino

L855[15:34:20] <vifino> Behave.

L856[15:34:22] <Wobbo> I alsways set _ENV but search in _G

L857[15:34:29] <lperkins2> um,

L858[15:34:35] <gamax92> vifino

L859[15:34:38] <gamax92> fuck off, not in the mood

L860[15:34:50] <lperkins2> according to the bot, id(_G)==id(_ENV)...

L861[15:34:56] <lperkins2> so what's the difference?

L862[15:35:09] <gamax92> _ENV is the lua 5.2 and afterwards construct

L863[15:35:14] <lperkins2> ah

L864[15:35:18] <Wobbo> _ENV is used to set the environment.

L865[15:35:22] <scj643> Making the startup USB

L866[15:35:36] <lperkins2> well, it's just a matter of setting builtins= at the top of the script

L867[15:35:40] <gamax92> yeah basically, before you used setfenv, but now you can just modify _ENV

L868[15:35:41] <Wobbo> local _ENV = table sets the environment to table

L869[15:36:02] <lperkins2> currently that's builtins=require('builtins')

L871[15:36:07] <vifino> > _G==_ENV

L872[15:36:07] <vifino> true

L873[15:36:18] <vifino> it doesn't darn matter.

L874[15:38:19] <Wobbo> lperkins2: builtins = setmetatable(require("builtins"), {__index = _ENV})

L875[15:38:36] <lperkins2> heh, that'd work.

L876[15:39:01] <lperkins2> note that the a:b() syntax isn't available

L877[15:39:11] <lperkins2> so anything that's not a python type it's a.b(a)

L878[15:39:45] <Wobbo> isn't it the case in python that a.b() results in a call to b where a is the first argument?

L879[15:39:52] <lperkins2> python class instances return a bound method from LOAD_ATTR,

L880[15:40:14] <lperkins2> the class itself returns an unbound metho

L881[15:40:15] <lperkins2> d

L882[15:40:30] <lperkins2> class methods return a method bound to the class,

L883[15:40:45] <lperkins2> and static methods (from an instance or from the class) are always unbound

L884[15:41:23] <lperkins2> basically the vm notes that it's being asked to retrieve an instance method, and sets the 'self' entry on the way out the door

L885[15:41:44] <scj643> I'm so fed up with Ubuntu right now

L886[15:42:22] <sugoi> scj643: what is doing or not doing that you want it to do? (warning, i'm not an ubuntu user)

L887[15:42:24] <lperkins2> I ran mint debian

L888[15:42:27] <sugoi> just curious

L889[15:42:37] <lperkins2> similar feel to ubuntu, but more stable

L890[15:44:43] *** Cranium[Away] is now known as Cranium

L891[15:45:15] <scj643> Pulse audio to work stupid ppa upgraded it

L892[15:48:15] <scj643> This is the reason some people stick with windows

L893[15:49:15] <lperkins2> the debian family try to be stable out of the box, but they fight with you if something breaks,

L894[15:50:37] <sugoi> scj643: it really is for breakages like that

L895[15:51:06] <sugoi> i use linux daily, but my linux machines have no ui, no sound

L896[15:51:09] <sugoi> remote terminals only

L897[15:51:24] <lperkins2> gentoo is the one I've found to be the most repairable

L898[15:51:28] <sugoi> i used to use linux with all the bells and whistles and full fledged window management

L899[15:51:28] <scj643> Yeah that is hard to screw up

L900[15:51:31] <lperkins2> it's slightly less stable than debian

L901[15:51:47] <sugoi> but then got so tired of fixing and patching and reading READMEs just to update

L902[15:51:47] <lperkins2> but if you screw everything up, it can pretty much always be fixed by some variant of

L903[15:51:47] <scj643> FreeBSD

L904[15:51:57] <lperkins2> emerge @world --keep-going -e

L905[15:52:12] <scj643> Or reinstall

L906[15:52:16] <sugoi> lperkins2: i feel gentoo scales with my understanding of it

L907[15:52:24] <sugoi> lperkins2: the more i learn about how to use it, the more stable it becomes

L908[15:52:29] <sugoi> other distros i never felt that advantage

L909[15:52:35] <lperkins2> yeah,

L910[15:52:57] <lperkins2> and yet if you know next to nothing about it, it'll keep you from destroying stuff

L911[15:53:18] <scj643> Unlike Debian

L912[15:53:31] <lperkins2> none of this 'you asked me to install the mach kernel, which requires uninstalling half your system, but I'll do it anyway, just because'

L913[15:53:54] <sugoi> haha yeah

L914[15:54:08] <lperkins2> if you tell it to emerge, and it does so with no complaints, you'll get a working system out the other side

L915[15:54:10] <sugoi> you'd have to really know what you're doing to make gentoo do that

L916[15:54:32] <lperkins2> no, you just have to unmask everything, and pass the force and auto-uninstall flags to emerge

L917[15:54:43] <sugoi> that's what i'm referring to

L918[15:54:58] <lperkins2> in other words, paste the wrong script from a bad forum

L919[15:55:05] <sugoi> you'd have to understand the masking system, the relevent flags, perhaps even understand what pkgs to remove first

L920[15:55:10] <sugoi> there could be many various steps

L921[15:55:31] <lperkins2> but if you're pasting scripts you don't understand, then I have no sympathy

L922[15:55:33] <sugoi> my point - you have to research the issue and understand how to configure for the messy emerge before gentoo would let you

L923[15:55:39] <sugoi> well sure, of course

L924[15:55:41] <sugoi> same for any system

L925[15:55:51] <lperkins2> unlike debian where you can be doing nothing unreasonable

L926[15:55:59] <lperkins2> just try to install an outdated package

L927[15:56:17] <lperkins2> (built for some old libc or something), and have it try to rearrange everything

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L929[15:59:18] <gamax92> #p

L930[15:59:19] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0.2504919219999999 Seconds passed.

L931[15:59:28] <gamax92> hexchat why the fuck do you say 7.9 seconds

L932[16:03:48] <Wobbo> Why would people install mach in linux?

L933[16:04:08] <CompanionCube> how the fuck do you install mach

L934[16:04:17] <CompanionCube> it's a dammed kernel

L935[16:04:39] <lperkins2> um, because then you can work on developing it using qemu

L936[16:04:55] <Wobbo> Ah, on that bike

L937[16:05:21] <lperkins2> and you can run debian on a mach kernel

L938[16:05:39] <CompanionCube> yes, but it's not something you can easily install on linux

L939[16:05:51] <gamax92> ping 181ms, jitter 277ms

L940[16:05:56] <gamax92> internet wat are you doing

L941[16:06:02] <lperkins2> true, but it (at least used to) feed off the same repos,

L942[16:06:22] <scj643> Removing my usr folder right now

L943[16:09:18] <lperkins2> http://postimg.org/image/y54a0sm99/

L944[16:09:51] <scj643> Nice

L945[16:09:55] <sugoi> :) "ah! that's not my way - why would anyone do it that way!?"

L946[16:10:05] <sugoi> "they must be idiots"

L947[16:11:18] <lperkins2> it talks to python running on my laptop to compile the source

L948[16:11:32] <Wobbo> lperkins2: how did you get it to eval python code?

L949[16:11:34] <Wobbo> ah

L950[16:11:34] <lperkins2> since it's just the pythonvm,

L951[16:11:43] <scj643> Ok

L952[16:12:02] <scj643> I will love this once it becomes an architecture option

L953[16:12:03] <lperkins2> I also have a fuse module that takes files ending in .py written to the dik

L954[16:12:12] * Skye pokes S3

L955[16:12:20] <lperkins2> and invokes compileall on it

L956[16:12:31] <lperkins2> not gonna be an arch option, since it runs on top of openos

L957[16:12:36] <Wobbo> lperkins2: couldn't you run pypy in it? :P

L958[16:12:51] <scj643> Ok

L959[16:12:52] <lperkins2> um, is there an llvm backend for lua?

L960[16:13:04] * Izaya hrms

L961[16:13:08] <Izaya> here's a fun idea:

L962[16:13:14] <lperkins2> because the llvm backend for java's been dropped

L963[16:13:22] <lperkins2> could run pypy.js in it,

L964[16:13:24] <Izaya> have a service that provides a python shell

L965[16:13:34] <Izaya> and it has fs and component access to the local machine

L966[16:13:36] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Don't think so

L967[16:13:42] <lperkins2> I do have a fully working js->lua translator...

L968[16:14:06] <lperkins2> pypy (python written in rpython) -> llvm -> pypy.js -> pypy.lua...

L969[16:14:11] <lperkins2> this couldn't go wrong

L970[16:14:47] <lperkins2> Izaya to what end?

L971[16:14:53] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Couldn't you `pythonc pypy.py` -> pypy.pyc -> python.lua?

L972[16:15:01] <lperkins2> um...

L973[16:15:05] <lperkins2> possibly...

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L975[16:15:27] <Izaya> lperkins2, provides a way to 'run' python on an OpenComputers machine

L976[16:15:32] <sugoi> #lua string.match('abc', '%a+')

L977[16:15:34] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Whats stopping you?

L978[16:15:37] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > abc

L979[16:15:41] <lperkins2> builtin functions

L980[16:15:43] <sugoi> why doesn't it give the index?

L981[16:15:49] <sugoi> http://lua-users.org/wiki/StringLibraryTutorial

L982[16:15:55] <sugoi> says it returns index. lua version issue?

L983[16:16:06] <Wobbo> sugoi: Try find

L984[16:16:12] <lperkins2> I do plan to try to convert the language parser to lua

L985[16:16:16] <sugoi> #lua string.find('abc', '%a+')

L986[16:16:16] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 1 | 3

L987[16:16:21] <sugoi> ok that works

L988[16:16:27] <lperkins2> or rather, instead of trying to compile all of pypy,

L989[16:16:39] <sugoi> Wobbo: why the discrepancy?

L990[16:16:50] <lperkins2> I just need to run pythonc pypy_language_parser.py

L991[16:16:58] <Wobbo> sugoi: Because match can return multiple captures

L992[16:16:59] <scj643> Going to have to compile some software once I get it setup

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L994[16:17:22] <sugoi> Wobbo: i mean between what i just tested here and what that doc says that i linked

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L996[16:17:37] <sugoi> which says, match returns index, capture

L997[16:17:48] <Wobbo> There is no discrepancy

L998[16:17:51] <sugoi> oh no it doesn't

L999[16:17:54] <sugoi> ha

L1000[16:17:54] <Wobbo> You're reading it wrong

L1001[16:17:57] <sugoi> Wobbo: there is - in my reading

L1002[16:18:00] <sugoi> :)

L1003[16:18:07] <sugoi> there example captured '2'

L1004[16:18:11] <sugoi> not int 2

L1005[16:18:17] <sugoi> i skimmed it too quickly

L1006[16:18:21] <lperkins2> I'm still not sure what you mean Izaya, this is running python on OC.

L1007[16:18:28] <scj643> Ubiquity is the installer gui for Ubuntu

L1008[16:18:40] <sugoi> their*

L1009[16:18:49] <Izaya> lperkins2, it just seems like a fun thing to impliment

L1010[16:19:25] <lperkins2> but why run it as a service?

L1011[16:19:48] <Izaya> kicks

L1012[16:19:51] <Izaya> no real reason

L1013[16:19:57] <Izaya> I do stuff 'cause I want to.

L1014[16:20:01] <vifino> :D I have my pi scrobbeling to lastfm via mpdscribble

L1015[16:20:05] <gamax92> service as a service

L1016[16:20:07] <vifino> woo

L1017[16:20:21] <gamax92> vifino: yay?

L1018[16:20:53] <lperkins2> hm, so looks like python2 has a compiler implemented in just python...

L1019[16:21:40] <vifino> now to figure out if .i3 runs mpdscribble on startup or not

L1020[16:21:52] <vifino> s/ \.//

L1021[16:21:52] <Kibibyte> <vifino> now to figure out ifi3 runs mpdscribble on startup or not

L1022[16:21:56] <vifino> q_q

L1023[16:21:59] <vifino> s/ \./ /

L1024[16:22:00] <Kibibyte> <vifino> now to figure out if i3 runs mpdscribble on startup or not

L1025[16:22:10] <lperkins2> there a way in OC's shell to set an environment var without launching lua?

L1026[16:22:17] <scj643> Fuck ubiquity is trying to save all the packages I had in 15.04

L1027[16:22:30] <Wobbo> lperkins2: set k=v

L1028[16:22:46] <lperkins2> ah, grublike

L1029[16:22:56] <Wobbo> shell like

L1030[16:23:59] <Wobbo> its in every POSIX shell :D

L1031[16:24:26] <lperkins2> fair enough

L1032[16:24:29] <lperkins2> bash spoils me

L1033[16:24:51] <Wobbo> only bash made it more convienent

L1034[16:25:16] <vifino> and sh. and zsh. and fish.

L1035[16:25:26] <scj643> I like BASHIng my head

L1036[16:25:42] <vifino> scj643: Go away.

L1037[16:25:49] <Wobbo> vifino: not sh actually. but likely sh is bash on your machine

L1038[16:26:00] <vifino> No, it is not.

L1039[16:26:16] <CompanionCube> zsh ftw

L1040[16:26:57] <lperkins2> and busybox...

L1041[16:27:56] <lperkins2> damn, pycodegen passes the final step off to marshal...

L1042[16:28:40] <Wobbo> vifino: sh --version?

L1043[16:28:57] <vifino> Wobbo: even busybox understands a=b

L1044[16:29:58] <scj643> Damn

L1045[16:30:32] <Wobbo> vifino: sh --version ?

L1046[16:30:32] <scj643> Isn't busybox the lowest of the low when it comes to shells

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L1048[16:30:46] <CompanionCube> scj643, no

L1049[16:30:54] <CompanionCube> that would be GRUB's rescue mode shell

L1050[16:31:42] <sugoi> Wobbo: this is why i want openos to have k=v

L1051[16:32:05] <gamax92> "Graphics Pipe: 100%"

L1052[16:32:11] <sugoi> many shells support it, i think ppl expect it

L1053[16:32:17] <gamax92> this video card is crap :)

L1054[16:32:55] <Wobbo> sugoi: shouldn't be to hard, match with a pattern like VAR=THING and set os.setenv(VAR, THING)

L1055[16:33:02] <Wobbo> sugoi: Make a PR :P

L1056[16:33:11] <gamax92> ... >_>

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L1058[16:33:20] <sugoi> Wobbo: my request wasn't about "how would i code this", nor "sang.ar please do this"

L1059[16:33:22] <gamax92> okay, hexchat is saying 9 seconds of lag again

L1060[16:33:26] <gamax92> wtf is going on

L1061[16:33:26] <scj643> Forgot grub had that I was just greeted by it

L1062[16:33:36] <sugoi> Wobbo: i'm actively making many PR's to update openos shell

L1063[16:33:38] <vifino> Wobbo: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sh.html#uh-13

L1064[16:34:09] <sugoi> it was more -- hey sang.ar, i'd like to add k=v next, thoughts? he has some context to this, as we've discussed over the last couple weeks these additions/changes i'm making (many for 1.6)

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L1066[16:34:34] <asie> Sangar: actually, nvm, i convinced him to axe the MJ stuff after all and stay faithful to 1.7.10 BC

L1067[16:34:47] <Shuudoushi> .w ifconfig

L1068[16:34:48] <EnderBot2> The wiki can be found here http://ocd.cil.li

L1069[16:34:48] <EnderBot2> Normally ^v would do this but it's not here at the moment :(

L1070[16:35:07] <Shuudoushi> motherfucker...

L1071[16:35:25] <scj643> Damn

L1072[16:35:54] <Wobbo> sugoi: Ah, on that bike. I normally just buggered Snagar until he told me to PR.

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L1074[16:36:26] <lperkins2> how do I reraise an exception in lua?

L1075[16:36:35] <lperkins2> (after pcall)

L1076[16:36:50] <Wobbo> lp

L1077[16:37:01] <Wobbo> lperkins2:just use error again

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L1079[16:37:20] <lperkins2> with what arguments?

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L1081[16:38:00] <gamax92> yeah, there isn't reraising exceptions in lua, but you can basically create a new one with the same message

L1082[16:38:08] <Wobbo> vifino: huh, maybe I was wrong. Thought it wasn't in the standard

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L1084[16:39:07] <vifino> the `export a=b` syntax is a bash thing, not `a=b; export a`

L1085[16:40:29] <scj643> They make keyboards with layouts for programmers damn

L1086[16:40:56] <gamax92> like a crossword puzzle

L1087[16:41:20] <scj643> Ubiquity installs from a chroot

L1088[16:41:38] <vifino> Just use your regional keyboard layouts. You won't find many people using dvorak or something.

L1089[16:41:40] * CompanionCube thinks all GUI installers are meh

L1090[16:42:02] <vifino> CompanionCube: take a look at the freebsd installer, best installer ever

L1091[16:42:13] <gamax92> ehh ...

L1092[16:42:19] <scj643> The lack of one

L1093[16:42:25] <lperkins2> is there a way to print more than just the error message after pcall?

L1094[16:42:25] <vifino> ERm.

L1095[16:42:27] <vifino> Erm.*

L1096[16:42:29] <vifino> No?

L1097[16:42:33] <lperkins2> I'm losing stack trace stuff.

L1098[16:42:37] <vifino> What the hell are you smoking, scj643?

L1099[16:42:47] <scj643> No easy one

L1100[16:42:52] <gamax92> lperkins2: xpcall?

L1101[16:43:01] <scj643> You have to setup your mountpounts and go

L1102[16:43:08] <gamax92> xpcall(func, debug.traceback, normal arguments for function)

L1103[16:43:21] <vifino> Oh my god, pressing auto partition button is so hard!

L1104[16:43:44] <scj643> Oh wait was thinking arch

L1105[16:43:48] <scj643> Damn

L1106[16:44:14] <vifino> See: vifino | What the hell are you smoking, scj643?

L1107[16:44:16] <scj643> Not using BSD because you have to hack it to get minecraft working

L1108[16:44:20] * CompanionCube used gparted when installing Arch

L1109[16:44:30] <vifino> CompanionCube: same.

L1110[16:44:43] <scj643> My use case is special

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L1112[16:45:03] <scj643> I'm always reinstalling by nuking everything but my home folder

L1113[16:45:11] * gamax92 plugs vifino into a computer, partitions

L1114[16:45:18] <CompanionCube> scj643, you know

L1115[16:45:24] <CompanionCube> seperate /home partition is a thign

L1116[16:45:29] <scj643> Can't

L1117[16:45:29] <CompanionCube> and a good idea in such a case

L1118[16:45:43] <scj643> Don't know how much space each partition will need

L1119[16:45:49] <vifino> q_q

L1120[16:46:02] <scj643> So has to be the same partition

L1121[16:46:16] <S3> lol

L1122[16:46:19] <CompanionCube> you can resize partitions you know

L1123[16:46:23] <S3> scj643: so I figured out how to connect mumble to the line in

L1124[16:46:25] <gamax92> vifino: I'm sorry, bored

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L1126[16:46:29] <lperkins2> make it btrfs

L1127[16:46:30] <scj643> Ok

L1128[16:46:33] <lperkins2> separate subvolume

L1129[16:46:34] <S3> but I am still trying to figure out how to mix my microphone in

L1130[16:46:37] <scj643> I'm reinstalling Ubuntu

L1131[16:46:46] <scj643> Good luck with that s3

L1132[16:46:51] <gamax92> I've not gotten around to btrfs

L1133[16:46:55] <scj643> S3 do you use pulse audio

L1134[16:47:11] <gamax92> Also ReactOS is merging ext2fsd as native ext2 support

L1135[16:47:19] <S3> no

L1136[16:47:21] <S3> OSS

L1137[16:47:28] <scj643> ......

L1138[16:47:32] <S3> but I'm using jack

L1139[16:47:32] <vifino> S3: You said you have trouble with jack. Wanna elaborate and want me to help you?

L1140[16:47:32] <scj643> Good luck

L1141[16:47:34] <gamax92> S3: what do you have that needs oss?

L1142[16:47:43] <scj643> Oh wait you have jack working same

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L1144[16:47:45] <scj643> Damn

L1145[16:47:51] <gamax92> oh, you're using jack

L1146[16:47:51] <vifino> FreeBSD only ships with oss.

L1147[16:47:51] <scj643> #p

L1148[16:47:52] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0.24853226799999995 Seconds passed.

L1149[16:47:53] <S3> gamax92: there is nothing wrong with OSS

L1150[16:47:55] <gamax92> ahh okay.

L1151[16:48:10] <Lizzy> #p

L1152[16:48:11] <scj643> Isn't OSS old

L1153[16:48:11] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 1.396540676 Seconds passed.

L1154[16:48:15] <gamax92> Am I the only one who uses straight up alsa/oss (alsa in this case)

L1155[16:48:18] <S3> scj643: your point?

L1156[16:48:28] <S3> honestly OSS is easier to use and is no different in quality

L1157[16:48:40] <vifino> scj643: Old, outdated and abandoned in many programs, yes.

L1158[16:48:55] <scj643> My point

L1159[16:49:07] <scj643> Spotify won't play to ISS

L1160[16:49:10] <scj643> OSS

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L1162[16:49:22] <scj643> IIS is a Microsoft thing

L1163[16:49:24] <vifino> You're doing it wrong.

L1164[16:49:43] <S3> either way I'm playing guitar in scj643's mumble as a test

L1165[16:50:03] <scj643> Can I chroot into my Ubuntu partition and configure the missing PPAs before I boot

L1166[16:50:07] <vifino> S3: Please answer me.

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L1168[16:50:16] <S3> vifino: ?

L1169[16:50:20] <S3> whatd I miss

L1170[16:50:21] * vifino sighs

L1171[16:50:22] <gamax92> <vifino> S3: You said you have trouble with jack. Wanna elaborate and want me to help you?

L1172[16:50:31] <S3> oh

L1173[16:50:46] <S3> vifino: I'm trying to find a way to use jack to combine my line input and mic input into one

L1174[16:50:50] <S3> and patch it into mumble

L1175[16:51:03] <gamax92> 2->1

L1176[16:51:17] <vifino> Just connect them to the inputs of mumble?

L1177[16:51:24] <vifino> ... profit?

L1178[16:51:30] <S3> well

L1179[16:51:31] <Wobbo> scj643: Still better than ISIS

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L1181[16:51:37] <S3> I can't figurer out how to display mumble in jack

L1182[16:51:37] <gamax92> right, jack has that connect output to input style

L1183[16:51:51] <S3> apparently I'm supposed to make some sort of device or something and connect to it I dunno

L1184[16:51:52] <vifino> S3: you need to patch mumble

L1185[16:51:55] <gamax92> like if you were working with actual cables

L1186[16:51:57] <scj643> Mumble can use OSS or ALSA as input

L1187[16:52:12] <S3> vifino: from what I understand mumble should be able to just connect to the OSS device

L1188[16:52:13] <scj643> How can I get internet working in a chroot

L1189[16:52:25] <vifino> S3: no, then you are doing it wrong.

L1190[16:52:40] <scj643> Oh having internet in the first place would help

L1191[16:52:45] <Skye> S3, Vic wants the truncated crash log anyway

L1192[16:52:53] <S3> hmm

L1193[16:53:45] <vifino> S3: http://tty.sh/stuff/patches/mumble-jack-support.patch

L1194[16:54:01] <vifino> apply it to the source, rebuild mumble

L1195[16:54:06] <S3> yes I'll get it to him, but It won't be today. I'm heading out soon and then doing random things here and not here. I'll get it to him

L1196[16:55:15] <S3> wonder if that works for 1.2.10

L1197[16:55:18] <gamax92> vifino: is it worth it for me to setup jack?

L1198[16:55:19] <Skye> don't you have the old crashlogs?

L1199[16:55:24] <S3> if I have to use 1.2.2 I will

L1200[16:55:27] <Skye> like the stuff in the logs folder?

L1201[16:55:55] <S3> but thanks vifino that's good to know :D

L1202[16:56:31] <vifino> gamax92: Do you need to route audio between applications? Do you not have a hardware mixer and need a software one?

L1203[16:56:42] <vifino> if at least one applies, yes.

L1204[16:56:57] <vifino> because dmix sucks and pulseaudio sucks more.

L1205[16:57:00] <gamax92> First occasionally, second no

L1206[16:57:07] <gamax92> card does hardware mixing

L1207[16:57:19] <scj643> I need to rout audio between programs

L1208[16:57:37] <vifino> gamax92: Then you could benefit from it.

L1209[16:58:22] <Wobbo> you could use xpcall to build a pretty simple try catch system

L1210[16:58:41] <gamax92> pcall is basically try catch

L1211[16:58:50] <gamax92> the issue is that you can't just reerror the exact thing

L1212[16:59:39] <ds84182> gamax92: Yes you can

L1213[16:59:42] <ds84182> assert(pcall

L1214[17:00:03] <gamax92> I fail to see how that's reerroring the exact thing

L1215[17:00:09] <Wobbo> its not catch however. I was thinking of something like: `try(func) { [pattern] = function(captures) end}`

L1216[17:00:15] <ds84182> assert(success, error)

L1217[17:00:26] <ds84182> #lua assert(pcall(function() error("BITCH") end))

L1218[17:00:26] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: [string "lua"]:1: BITCH

L1219[17:00:36] <ds84182> There. Reerrored

L1220[17:00:46] <gamax92> your message is wrong though, it's not the original thing.

L1221[17:01:01] <ds84182> Yes it is, it just has the line number of the assert with it

L1222[17:01:08] <gamax92> exactly, not the original thing

L1223[17:01:10] <ds84182> Thats literally it

L1224[17:01:24] <ds84182> gamax92: If you are so fucking worried about it not being the same, make a fucking function

L1225[17:01:28] <ds84182> You can do that in Lua, dumbass

L1226[17:01:28] <scj643> Got greeted by a white screen and nothing else in Ubuntu

L1227[17:01:35] <gamax92> not in lua

L1228[17:01:41] <gamax92> needs C support

L1229[17:01:43] <Wobbo> ds84182: the goal of lperkins2 was to reerror the exact error, including that number.

L1230[17:01:44] <scj643> Need to grab my missing theme stuff first

L1231[17:01:50] <ds84182> function fuassert(fuck, off) if not fuck then error(off, 0) else return off end end

L1232[17:01:52] <ds84182> there

L1233[17:01:57] <ds84182> #lua function fuassert(fuck, off) if not fuck then error(off, 0) else return off end end

L1234[17:01:57] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1235[17:02:03] <ds84182> #lua fuassert(pcall(function() error("BITCH") end))

L1236[17:02:04] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: BITCH

L1237[17:02:06] <ds84182> There.

L1238[17:02:16] <gamax92> k, now what about the stack trace

L1239[17:02:20] <ds84182> xpcall

L1240[17:02:32] <ds84182> You should know that, you even told lperkins2 how to xpcall

L1241[17:02:37] <ds84182> with stacktrace

L1242[17:02:42] <gamax92> no, the actual stack trace is not the same

L1243[17:02:52] <ds84182> You can trim lines from the stacktrace

L1244[17:02:59] <ds84182> Goodness

L1245[17:02:59] <lperkins2> requires the debug library, which OC doesn't have...

L1246[17:03:05] <gamax92> what you'd get is the stack trace in the message, and pretending it's the same

L1247[17:03:08] <ds84182> lperkins2: It has it.

L1248[17:03:10] <gamax92> oc has debug.traceback

L1249[17:03:14] <ds84182> debug.traceback is defined

L1250[17:03:19] <gamax92> and other various things, that are sandboxed

L1251[17:03:20] <ds84182> #lua debug.traceback()

L1252[17:03:20] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to index a nil value (global 'debug')

L1253[17:03:23] <gamax92> XD

L1254[17:03:26] <ds84182> |0xDEADBEEF|: Doesn't have it

L1255[17:03:58] <ds84182> Look, I'm about to shoot a bitch, and that bitch is gamax92

L1256[17:04:03] <Wobbo> |0xDEADBEEF|: you suck :P

L1257[17:04:07] <gamax92> good for you ds

L1258[17:04:08] <vifino> Wobbo: You suck too.

L1259[17:04:09] <gamax92> good for you

L1260[17:04:16] <vifino> |0xDEADBEEF| doesn't.

L1261[17:04:22] * vifino pats |0xDEADBEEF|

L1262[17:04:23] <scj643> #lua print("bitches get stitches")

L1263[17:04:23] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > bitches get stitches | nil

L1264[17:04:28] <Wobbo> vifino: Correct, I also don't have debug

L1265[17:04:30] <ds84182> scj643: knows whats up

L1266[17:04:35] <vifino> Shh, don't listen to those bad people saying mean things about you.

L1267[17:04:46] <scj643> Yuru yuri rocks

L1268[17:04:48] <gamax92> oh right, i was going to give vifino a patch to fix that nil stuff.

L1269[17:04:58] <gamax92> vifino: are you still interested?

L1270[17:05:30] <vifino> erm, i dont think it is really broken... much rather I'd have proper serialization and output...

L1271[17:05:47] <gamax92> well all it would do is show the right amount of nils

L1272[17:05:54] <scj643> #lua print("ゆるゆり")

L1273[17:05:54] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > ゆるゆり | nil

L1274[17:05:55] <lperkins2> sweet, that gets both the python traceback and the lua stack trace

L1275[17:06:10] <vifino> gamax92: it is right, though.

L1276[17:06:13] <gamax92> return nil -> nil, return -> , return nil, nil -> nil, nil. where as currently all three just give nil

L1277[17:06:14] <vifino> isn't it?

L1278[17:06:33] <S3> can not compile openssl: openssl has known vulnerabilities! If you really want to build openssl, compile with -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES

L1279[17:06:35] <vifino> meh, then I'm interested.

L1280[17:06:36] <scj643> #lua print("太")

L1281[17:06:37] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 太 | nil

L1282[17:06:46] <scj643> Has Unicode support

L1283[17:06:59] <ds84182> #lua print("( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)")

L1284[17:06:59] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | nil

L1285[17:07:03] <gamax92> ... lolwot S3

L1286[17:07:08] <Wobbo> S3: lol

L1287[17:07:16] <Wobbo> S3: OpenBSD?

L1288[17:07:17] <S3> I'm just kidding :)

L1289[17:07:26] <S3> It was worth the reactions

L1290[17:07:38] <S3> (I wouldn't be surprised if FreeBSD would do that)

L1291[17:07:51] <S3> Apache is already on that list

L1292[17:07:53] <scj643> ♪(*^^)o∀*∀o(^^*)♪ built into the Japanese keyboard on iPad

L1293[17:07:59] <gamax92> S3 is a known jackass! If you really want to talk to S3, filter with S3FILTER

L1294[17:08:04] <scj643> ?

L1295[17:08:15] <ds84182> can not compile libyourface: libyourface has known vulnerabilities! If you really want to build libyourface, compile with -DDISABLE_LIBYOURFACE

L1296[17:08:17] <scj643> How does everyone se that

L1297[17:08:31] <gamax92> I see it as a really small and unrecognizable face

L1298[17:08:35] <Wobbo> scj643: as a scared cat

L1299[17:08:38] <ds84182> It's a cat

L1300[17:08:45] <scj643> #lua print("?")

L1301[17:08:45] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > ? | nil

L1302[17:08:50] <ds84182> Even I can see it. fix your fonts gamax92

L1303[17:08:52] <scj643> Oh that is Unicode

L1304[17:08:53] <gamax92> like it's a cat, but basically don't know what it is

L1305[17:09:05] <gamax92> ds84182: screenshot

L1306[17:09:12] <ds84182> aight

L1307[17:09:23] <vifino> right, where is my psvita

L1308[17:09:25] <vifino> shiet.

L1309[17:09:34] <ds84182> http://i.imgur.com/6y1d5FO.png

L1310[17:09:46] <Wobbo> I'm going. Bye!

L1311[17:10:01] <vifino> Bye Wobbo.

L1312[17:10:05] <S3> dunno how that happened

L1313[17:10:09] <scj643> Pixbuf loader file missing

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L1315[17:10:13] <S3> but uninstalling openssl uninstalled qt4

L1316[17:10:23] <S3> ...?

L1317[17:10:23] <ds84182> qt4 depends on openssl

L1318[17:10:33] <ds84182> Probably for some QT stuff

L1319[17:10:40] <gamax92> ahh, you have a larger font

L1320[17:10:51] <S3> yeah but usually it keeps the other stuff and warns me

L1321[17:11:22] <ds84182> hmm

L1322[17:11:29] <ds84182> maybe you supplied -y?

L1323[17:11:36] <scj643> Good song https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7OmcAYxa/IMG_0364.PNG

L1324[17:11:58] <ds84182> Sign me right the FUCK up

L1325[17:12:04] <ds84182> Good shit

L1326[17:12:08] <gamax92> whats that

L1327[17:12:40] <vifino> Lilly_Satou: lookie lookie up at ds84182's messages

L1328[17:12:57] <lperkins2> heh, 4 of the compiler libs import

L1329[17:13:05] <gamax92> ... is that Dai

L1330[17:13:05] <gamax92> ... yes it's Dai

L1331[17:14:18] <scj643> Ubuntu is back to up and running

L1332[17:14:48] <gamax92> scj643: now don't break it again :P

L1333[17:15:01] <scj643> Not

L1334[17:15:09] <gamax92> Negative

L1335[17:16:11] <Lilly_Satou> sign me the FUCK up ?????????? good shit go౦ԁ sHit? thats ✔ some good??shit right??th ? ere??? right✔there ✔✔if i do ƽaү so my selｆ ? i say so ? thats what im talking about right there right there (chorus: ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ) mMMMMᎷМ? ??

L1336[17:16:11] <Lilly_Satou> ?НO0ОଠＯOOＯOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??Good shit

L1337[17:16:16] <ds84182> Lilly_Satou: Thanks

L1338[17:16:26] <gamax92> plz no.

L1339[17:16:32] <gamax92> my eyes

L1340[17:16:48] * Skye stabs Lilly_Satou with boxes of 0000

L1341[17:16:56] <progwml6> lol

L1342[17:17:14] <ds84182> I just set my font to Monospace 1pt

L1343[17:17:17] <ds84182> I can't seee

L1344[17:17:30] <ds84182> Lol

L1345[17:17:31] <ds84182> Help

L1346[17:17:34] <ds84182> Helpme

L1347[17:17:36] <ds84182> Pls

L1348[17:17:53] <ds84182> http://i.imgur.com/mXYG62n.png

L1349[17:17:55] <vifino> ds84182: nah, we good

L1350[17:18:29] <ds84182> vifino: Monospace is a huge font

L1351[17:18:32] <ds84182> 10pt is readable

L1352[17:18:45] <vifino> k.

L1353[17:18:54] <vifino> ubuntu mono op

L1354[17:19:04] <ds84182> no

L1355[17:19:08] <gamax92> I think I have the DejaVu fonts

L1356[17:19:09] <ds84182> ubuntu mono sucks ass

L1357[17:19:20] <gamax92> I literally don't know because wtf font is Monospaced

L1358[17:19:30] <vifino> ds84182: Nah, it's good.

L1359[17:19:35] <gamax92> very sure it's an alias to DejaVu though

L1360[17:19:37] <ds84182> I no

L1361[17:19:40] <ds84182> I no like it

L1362[17:19:45] <gamax92> I like it

L1363[17:19:49] <ds84182> no

L1364[17:19:49] <vifino> I do too.

L1365[17:19:50] <ds84182> NO

L1366[17:19:53] <vifino> Yes.

L1367[17:19:56] <ds84182> You people are weird

L1368[17:20:00] <gamax92> it's just not what the default font was and I don't care

L1369[17:20:03] <gamax92> You ds84182's are weird

L1370[17:20:09] <gamax92> with you're weird dscode

L1371[17:20:25] <vifino> I read dscode as douche...

L1372[17:20:27] <ds84182> URW Gothic L

L1373[17:21:03] <ds84182> DejaVu Sans Mono is Monospaced

L1374[17:21:37] <ds84182> IMPACT BITCHES

L1375[17:21:57] <ds84182> http://i.imgur.com/ZJpy5LC.png

L1376[17:22:19] <vifino> oh boy, that looks terrible.

L1377[17:22:34] <ds84182> IMPACT CONDENSED BOLD ITALIC MASTERACE

L1378[17:22:49] <vifino> No, no it is not masterrace.

L1379[17:22:51] <ds84182> http://i.imgur.com/sgvVkO3.png

L1380[17:23:09] <vifino> Oh god is it terrible.

L1381[17:23:23] <ds84182> wow

L1382[17:23:26] <ds84182> much comic sans

L1383[17:23:35] <Lilly_Satou> Skye: you stabbing blind girls?

L1384[17:23:36] <Lilly_Satou> am trigger

L1385[17:23:44] <Lilly_Satou> bot

L1386[17:23:45] <vifino> No. NO. STAHP DS84182, THAT'S THE LINE YOU SHOULD NOT CROSS.

L1387[17:24:00] <Skye> Lilly_Satou, wat?

L1388[17:24:13] <vifino> Skye: Just shut up, Lilly_Satou will leave after a while.

L1389[17:24:47] <ds84182> vifino: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

L1390[17:24:53] <lperkins2> drat, broke classes

L1391[17:27:09] <ds84182> Roboto Light

L1392[17:28:51] *** Cruor is now known as Cruor|Away

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L1394[17:29:00] <ds84182> vifino: http://i.imgur.com/yGf5ZJU.png

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L1396[17:29:15] <vifino> No.

L1397[17:29:18] <gamax92> oops

L1398[17:29:36] <vifino> S3: Still there?

L1399[17:29:56] <gamax92> ds84182: http://i.imgur.com/JlFAOJV.png

L1400[17:29:57] <Lilly_Satou> "Skye stabs Lilly_Satou with boxes of 0000"

L1401[17:30:00] <Lilly_Satou> >:(

L1402[17:30:27] <Skye> Lilly_Satou, most people can't see emoji on IRC

L1403[17:30:33] <vifino> In the FreeBSD installer, how can I safely move everything not required to boot freebsd to a zfs partition so I can boot into ufs from uefi?

L1404[17:30:52] <Lilly_Satou> that wasnt what i was referencing

L1405[17:30:52] <Lilly_Satou> but ok

L1406[17:30:55] <gamax92> ds84182

L1407[17:32:09] <gamax92> vifino: http://i.imgur.com/JlFAOJV.png

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L1409[17:33:04] <ds84182> one sec

L1410[17:33:08] <ds84182> my hexchat is dank

L1411[17:34:40] <scj643> Ubuntu mate is broken when you have multi monitors in 15.04

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L1413[17:36:44] <ds84182> gamax92: What even is that font

L1414[17:36:48] <gamax92> Entangled

L1415[17:37:08] <CompanionCube> that font needs to burn in a fire

L1416[17:37:11] <gamax92> at a super low font size, it looks like that.

L1417[17:37:16] <scj643> Ubuntu mono

L1418[17:37:54] <ds84182> gamax92: I want it

L1419[17:37:58] <ds84182> where do I download

L1420[17:38:20] * gamax92 shrugs, I don't actually remember installing this

L1421[17:38:23] <gamax92> this looks like it though: http://www.dafont.com/entangled.font

L1422[17:39:39] <gamax92> it's actually somewhat readable, oddly

L1423[17:40:04] <ds84182> wat

L1424[17:41:46] <CompanionCube> I stand by the belief the font needs to be burned.

L1425[17:42:46] <ds84182> Burning it won't be strong enough

L1426[17:43:18] <Skye> CompanionCube, comic sans is worse

L1427[17:43:22] <vifino> dank burn's m'font

L1428[17:43:30] <Skye> at least that font hasn't taken over everything

L1429[17:43:46] <CompanionCube> Skye, there is a special feature for the people who use comic sans without knowing it's shit

L1430[17:43:56] <ds84182> What did the guy who can't find his girlfriend say? "Hey dude, have you JOHN CENA?"

L1431[17:44:09] <CompanionCube> s/feature/hell/

L1432[17:44:09] <Kibibyte> <CompanionCube> Skye, there is a special hell for the people who use comic sans without knowing it's shit

L1433[17:44:17] <ds84182> :HORN: :HORN: :HORN: :HORN

L1434[17:44:18] <ds84182> :"

L1435[17:44:20] <ds84182> "

L1436[17:44:32] * CompanionCube burns the horn

L1437[17:44:35] <CompanionCube> no horns allowed

L1438[17:44:38] <gamax92> "

L1439[17:45:01] <Izaya> you have no idea how many times I've tried to explain to my mum not to use Comic Sans

L1440[17:45:19] <gamax92> Izaya: Your Australian is showing.

L1441[17:45:19] <ds84182> "

L1442[17:45:33] <Izaya> ..?

L1443[17:45:34] <Lilly_Satou> oy m8

L1444[17:45:45] <gamax92> Izaya: mum

L1445[17:45:48] <Lilly_Satou> lets go out in 'e bush mate

L1446[17:45:58] <ds84182> >bush

L1447[17:45:59] <Izaya> that's the spelling for everywhere !america, gamax92

L1448[17:45:59] <ds84182> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

L1449[17:46:08] <gamax92> WRONG

L1450[17:46:11] <gamax92> mam is also a spelling

L1451[17:46:24] <ds84182> Izaya: I sumtimz use mum in America, so your statement is null and void

L1452[17:46:33] <Skye> Izaya, CompanionCube, my teacher uses comic sans for things that we are supposed to write down

L1453[17:46:33] <ds84182> But if it's void then isn't it just NAV

L1454[17:46:36] <ds84182> Not A Value

L1455[17:46:40] <CompanionCube> ....

L1456[17:46:49] <CompanionCube> there is no hope for her.

L1457[17:47:00] <Skye> CompanionCube, him

L1458[17:47:03] <CompanionCube> oh

L1459[17:47:06] <Skye> my teacher is male

L1460[17:47:13] <gamax92> Skye teaches Skye

L1461[17:47:23] <Skye> and he's one of the more tech competent teachers

L1462[17:47:27] <Skye> gamax92, wut

L1463[17:47:30] <CompanionCube> ...is he doing it ironically

L1464[17:47:31] <ds84182> Skye: Oh my

L1465[17:47:36] <CompanionCube> or to fuck with people

L1466[17:47:53] <Skye> he isn't

L1467[17:48:13] <gamax92> comic sans isn't really even a handwriting like font

L1468[17:48:15] <Skye> he honestly uses it because it's the closest font to writing on MS Office that is still readable

L1469[17:48:28] <ds84182> exactly

L1470[17:48:30] <ds84182> EXACTLY

L1471[17:48:34] <CompanionCube> I find Calibri readable

L1472[17:49:22] <ds84182> >closest font to writing

L1473[17:49:27] <ds84182> >still readable

L1474[17:49:29] <CompanionCube> writing-like fonts suck

L1475[17:49:46] <ds84182> CompanionCube: .-.

L1476[17:49:51] <ds84182> do you context

L1477[17:49:56] <CompanionCube> yes

L1478[17:49:58] <ds84182> >my teacher uses comic sans for things that we are supposed to write down

L1479[17:50:05] <ds84182> >>for things that we are supposed to write down

L1480[17:50:17] <CompanionCube> your point being

L1481[17:50:33] <scj643> Multi monitors sucks in mate

L1482[17:50:34] <Izaya> well on the upside

L1483[17:50:35] <ds84182> ->> . <<-

L1484[17:50:39] <ds84182> That is my .

L1485[17:50:42] <vifino> Fantasque mono is also cool.

L1486[17:50:44] <gamax92> >greentext

L1487[17:50:49] <Izaya> once you write it down

L1488[17:50:55] <Izaya> it's not in Comic Sans any more

L1489[17:51:08] <Skye> Izaya, my handwriting is worse than comic sans

L1490[17:51:12] <Tilmok> Is anyone in a channel with shoby

L1491[17:51:15] <Tilmok> er shobu

L1492[17:51:26] <CompanionCube> my handwriting is shitty

L1493[17:51:27] <ds84182> wat

L1494[17:51:30] <Izaya> scj643, works fine when I've used multi-monitors with MATE

L1495[17:51:41] <gamax92> you can usually tell the gender of someone based on the handwriting

L1496[17:52:05] <scj643> Mine isn't normal though

L1497[17:52:14] <scj643> Using an HD TV and a custom resolution

L1498[17:52:45] <Izaya> so it's by no fault of the computer?

L1499[17:52:57] <Izaya> what are you complaining about?

L1500[17:53:12] <scj643> Can't get my HDTV working

L1501[17:53:17] <Antheus> \o

L1502[17:53:32] <scj643> If I had a VGA cable I would be set

L1503[17:53:34] <gamax92> anyway, gonna try to reboot errydang

L1504[17:53:56] <Izaya> Who doesn't have at least 5 VGA cables?

L1505[17:54:05] <Tilmok> Bleh, does anyone see shobu online in any channels? Trying to get ahold of him

L1506[17:54:22] <Izaya> * [shobu] End of WHOIS list.

L1507[17:54:24] <Izaya> not online

L1508[17:54:26] <Skye> Linux doesn't like two graphics cards

L1509[17:54:32] <Tilmok> He lost that account awhile back, Izaya

L1510[17:54:36] <S3> okay. gamax92 I thought of this earlier today, but what do you think of this? A FORTH powered HDL for OC.

L1511[17:54:41] <Izaya> Linux is fine with two of the same brand GPU

L1512[17:54:42] <S3> very simple

L1513[17:54:47] <S3> easy to implement, fast to learn

L1514[17:54:55] <Skye> Izaya, and also xrandr is horrible

L1515[17:54:58] <Izaya> but try getting an NVIDIA card and Intel Integrated at the same time

L1516[17:55:01] <Izaya> xrandr is great

L1517[17:55:08] <Skye> I have AMD and Intel Integrared

L1518[17:55:11] <Skye> grated

L1519[17:55:33] <Izaya> cheese

L1520[17:55:36] <scj643> Fuck it's flashing https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/N2wEOnST/capturedvideo.mp4

L1521[17:55:43] <Skye> Izaya, it requires that the right most monitor is also the lowest (on the y axis) monitor

L1522[17:56:13] <Izaya> weird requirement

L1523[17:56:45] <vifino> Skye: That's a lie. Linux can cope with multiple gpus quite well.

L1524[17:56:47] <S3> time to recompile qt4

L1525[17:57:04] <S3> only takes a little but

L1526[17:57:06] <S3> bit*

L1527[17:57:07] <scj643> Anyone want to explain what happened in that video

L1528[17:57:09] <Skye> vifino, my experience is painful

L1529[17:57:13] <vifino> I know there is a system with like 6 gpus running linux.

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L1531[17:57:38] <Izaya> what the hell is with JQuery?

L1532[17:57:41] <scj643> That must be a nightmare to get working

L1533[17:57:42] <Skye> it must have been painful to set yp

L1534[17:57:43] <S3> vifino: heh. I had a friend for his capstone build a 12 monitor tesla powered display

L1535[17:57:44] <Izaya> why is Javashit not enough?

L1536[17:57:48] <S3> running Linux

L1537[17:57:58] <S3> it made all 12 displays into one big one

L1538[17:58:04] <vifino> S3: Want.

L1539[17:58:15] <S3> it was neat. the nvidia drivers REALLY HATED IT

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L1541[17:58:31] <Izaya> funny that

L1542[17:59:02] <vifino> Right. So I get a rack in my room.

L1543[17:59:24] <Izaya> also

L1544[17:59:32] <Izaya> what the hell's with so much stuff

L1545[17:59:34] <vifino> Because people at my father's work like me.

L1546[17:59:37] <Izaya> being for 'syncing' settings

L1547[17:59:44] <vifino> Very weird feeling, but I like free stuff.

L1548[17:59:58] <Izaya> When am I ever going to use my keyboard anywhere other than on my own computer!?

L1549[18:00:20] <S3> vifino: mesh? plexiglass door? uncovered? what?

L1550[18:00:22] <S3> 42U?

L1551[18:00:43] <S3> I have a wooden 9U rack in this room

L1552[18:00:45] <vifino> S3: I have no darn idea.

L1553[18:00:52] <vifino> But it's "man high".

L1554[18:00:52] * Izaya has a large desk

L1555[18:00:57] <S3> but my server is not in the rack

L1556[18:01:06] <Izaya> Did you know that towers make excellent footrests?

L1557[18:01:12] <S3> what -is- in my rack is $900 worth of professional audio equipment

L1558[18:01:13] <vifino> Of course.

L1559[18:01:28] <scj643> Wish I could tell it to not use my laptops display at all

L1560[18:01:30] <S3> including an 8 kilowatt amplifier

L1561[18:01:33] <Izaya> Know what makes the best footrest, though?

L1562[18:01:39] <vifino> Humans?

L1563[18:01:41] <Izaya> a 2008 Mac Pro.

L1564[18:01:45] <vifino> Or that.

L1565[18:01:52] <scj643> lol

L1566[18:02:00] <Izaya> Simply because all the mac shills go crazy because I'm 'using such a beautiful machine as a footrest'

L1567[18:02:02] <S3> vifino: my amplifier has its own temperature guages wattmeters and an internal cooling system

L1568[18:02:05] <S3> :>

L1569[18:02:12] <vifino> S3: coolio.

L1570[18:02:25] <scj643> Damn tv downscaling

L1571[18:02:43] <vifino> I'm probably gonna get a few rackmount cases soon.

L1572[18:02:52] <S3> whee

L1573[18:03:09] <S3> I would love to get one of those half depth server cases

L1574[18:03:10] <S3> 1U

L1575[18:03:12] <vifino> So I'll just throw my nas and stuff in a rack case and be done with that shiet.

L1576[18:03:18] <vifino> ew 1U

L1577[18:03:19] <scj643> Screw it using open box

L1578[18:03:20] <S3> and get a small form factor server board, throw a line level sound card in it

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L1580[18:03:28] <S3> and use it as the streaming server

L1581[18:03:38] <S3> then I can run an internet radio station out of it

L1582[18:03:52] <Izaya> soon, scj643 will realise that he's way out of his depth to configure OpenBox

L1583[18:04:07] <S3> vifino: if it makes you feel better, I have a couple other servers lying around

L1584[18:04:33] <gamax92> vifino: halp

L1585[18:04:37] <S3> ;hands vifino one of his 8U poweredge servers and watches as vifino and the server go through the floor, through the crust, through the mantle, through the core, and out into china

L1586[18:04:37] <vifino> S3: It does not. However!

L1587[18:04:50] <vifino> It does make me feel better if you would send them to me.

L1588[18:04:51] <vifino> :3

L1589[18:05:01] <gamax92> #p

L1590[18:05:02] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0.251117709 Seconds passed.

L1591[18:05:10] <gamax92> k, this is normalish

L1592[18:05:15] <S3> the 8U is so damn heavy

L1593[18:05:20] <gamax92> it occasionally goes to like 9 seconds though

L1594[18:05:21] <S3> like.. 250 - 300 pounds.

L1595[18:05:32] <S3> it has 4 800Mhz pentium IIS

L1596[18:05:35] <S3> IIs*

L1597[18:05:41] <S3> they're actually pentium Pro

L1598[18:05:42] <vifino> S3: I carried my full packed 4U server alone, was enough to carry, I don't need more :v

L1599[18:05:44] <scj643> Openbox and a terminal is all I need

L1600[18:05:44] <S3> but the IIs are the same

L1601[18:06:01] <S3> they're kind of an early xeon

L1602[18:06:12] <vifino> I only did it once, had pains in my arms for a day.

L1603[18:06:12] <S3> and its jammed pack loaded with SCSI drives

L1604[18:06:39] <Izaya> a loaded 1U server is heavy enough :v

L1605[18:06:43] <S3> yep

L1606[18:07:17] <S3> try holding a 250 pound 8U server in the air when somebody puts in the rack mounting junk since we didn't have the drop ins back then

L1607[18:07:30] <vifino> S3: My server here weighs like 70kg or something.

L1608[18:07:33] <S3> it was, pull up the rails and bolt the server to the rack back then

L1609[18:07:39] <Izaya> what's 250 pound in sane measurements?

L1610[18:07:45] <S3> its

L1611[18:07:56] <vifino> Izaya: 113.398kg

L1612[18:08:04] <Izaya> that's like

L1613[18:08:05] <vifino> tyvm google

L1614[18:08:07] <Izaya> twice my weight

L1615[18:08:08] <S3> 113 kg

L1616[18:08:41] <S3> I have always been great at lifting heavy things, but it was not fun

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L1619[18:08:57] <Izaya> fuck wrong window focused

L1620[18:09:00] <vifino> gg

L1621[18:09:04] <Antheus> gg

L1622[18:09:17] <vifino> Antheus: rtfm.

L1623[18:09:25] <vifino> don't stop until you memorized it.

L1624[18:09:38] <Antheus> ok

L1625[18:09:48] <Izaya> how practical would it be to convert the entirety of a system's man pages to pdf?

L1626[18:10:00] <S3> insane.

L1627[18:10:05] <S3> why do that if you have groff

L1628[18:10:23] <S3> Izaya: usually, people convert docs into man pages

L1629[18:10:23] <Izaya> https://blogs.gnome.org/happyaron/2010/09/13/convert-man-page-to-pdf/ that works too

L1630[18:10:34] <S3> I see post script more often btw Izaya

L1631[18:10:41] <S3> for man page conversion

L1632[18:10:45] <Izaya> I uh

L1633[18:10:54] <S3> if you have a postscript printer it's worth it

L1634[18:10:56] <Izaya> may or may not want to print an entire system's man pages

L1635[18:11:02] <vifino> oh boy

L1636[18:11:02] <S3> because then you can send the man page directly to your ps printer

L1637[18:11:12] <S3> as you convert it

L1638[18:11:36] <Izaya> that sounds cool

L1639[18:11:40] <Izaya> but I don't have a printer

L1640[18:11:45] <S3> the best man pages in FreeBSD are in 3

L1641[18:12:27] <S3> and 9

L1642[18:12:33] <S3> 9 is a great sction

L1643[18:13:10] <vifino> S3: uefi root on zfs how.

L1644[18:13:27] <S3> WHAT

L1645[18:13:46] <vifino> No what, how.

L1646[18:13:47] <S3> vifino: you reminded me I have to do some research

L1647[18:13:52] <vifino> :l

L1648[18:14:02] <vifino> S3: uefi. root on zfs. how.

L1649[18:14:04] <S3> I'm planning on setting up hadoop + zfs + freebsd

L1650[18:14:11] <S3> know what thatl do?

L1651[18:14:29] <vifino> S3: uefi. root on zfs. how. :V

L1652[18:14:33] <S3> iets you rack an entire cluster of FreeBSD servers with storage, and make them into a giant ZFS san

L1653[18:14:39] <S3> one big one

L1654[18:14:51] <S3> vifino: I have no idea! I don't use uefi with FreeBSD

L1655[18:14:58] <vifino> .-.

L1656[18:15:05] <S3> I can't on my laptop

L1657[18:15:13] <S3> because my system does not support my SSD with UEFI

L1658[18:15:13] <vifino> I ask you about something freebsd ONCE, and you don't know.

L1659[18:15:17] <vifino> >:V

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L1661[18:15:23] <S3> go figure

L1662[18:15:31] <S3> SATA should be independent of the way it is accessed

L1663[18:15:38] <S3> the hard drive shouldn't matter

L1664[18:15:46] <vifino> You're supposed to know freebsd in and out, S3! God dang it!

L1665[18:16:16] <S3> LOL

L1666[18:16:22] <S3> There's so much shit to do with BSD

L1667[18:16:25] <S3> how could I know it all

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L1669[18:16:46] <scj643> How hard is getting packages that are already compiled

L1670[18:18:01] <S3> for what

L1671[18:18:14] <gamax92> scj643: it's like launching a rocket into another galaxy

L1672[18:18:40] <S3> scj643: that depends on your OS?

L1673[18:18:50] <S3> on FreeBSD you can just do pkg install <package>

L1674[18:20:19] <S3> on ubuntu it's just rm -r.... not finishing that command.

L1675[18:20:21] <S3> :)

L1676[18:20:37] <S3> I'm just kidding about that

L1677[18:20:56] <scj643> Lol

L1678[18:21:04] <scj643> I'm on mumble now

L1679[18:21:50] <scj643> Looks like pulse is still broken

L1680[18:22:07] <scj643> Need to figure out where things start when a user logs in

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L1682[18:27:48] <scj643> S3 you actually on mumble?

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L1684[18:36:47] <Kodos> Did you guys hear about the mexican magician who vanished midway through the count of three?

L1685[18:36:53] <Kodos> He disappeared without a tres

L1686[18:37:06] <Kodos> =D

L1687[18:43:44] <scj643> Lol

L1688[18:47:08] <scj643> Damn it's quite

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L1693[18:56:43] <S3> uh

L1694[18:57:17] <S3> mexican magician?

L1695[18:57:38] <S3> was his name "the liquid mexican">

L1696[19:00:19] <scj643> Your still on mumble you know

L1697[19:01:01] <S3> oh?

L1698[19:05:38] <S3> everybody in youtube is blue abadee

L1699[19:05:53] <S3> I wish I had gimp to screenshot and show you lol

L1700[19:06:03] <S3> even bill nye is blue!

L1701[19:07:30] <scj643> Lol

L1702[19:09:59] <S3> so this parrot just said

L1703[19:10:01] <S3> wanna go fly?!

L1704[19:10:02] <S3> WHEEE!

L1705[19:10:05] <S3> ...

L1706[19:11:59] <vifino> S3 confirmed high.

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L1708[19:16:24] <vifino> S3: could you build me a kernel of 11-CURRENT with EFI_STAGING_SIZE=64, please?

L1709[19:16:35] <vifino> otherwise my laptop won't load zfs.ko

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L1711[19:16:47] <S3> wait what

L1712[19:17:06] <vifino> S3: kernel.

L1713[19:17:09] <S3> you don't have a machine to do it?

L1714[19:17:11] <vifino> GENERIC.

L1715[19:17:15] <vifino> S3: ...

L1716[19:17:16] <vifino> No.

L1717[19:17:43] <vifino> Because I can't fucking boot freebsd without it loading zfs.ko

L1718[19:18:32] <vifino> S3: please help me.

L1719[19:20:28] <S3> I will, I gotta free up some disk space apparently first I just found out..

L1720[19:20:34] <S3> 104% /

L1721[19:20:56] <S3> I have -945 MB of space available on /

L1722[19:22:26] <S3> can't even check out current head until then

L1723[19:22:28] <scj643> AE2 is so complex now

L1724[19:26:01] <scj643> Working on making a huge AE network

L1725[19:26:06] <S3> phew

L1726[19:26:09] <S3> got about 1 GB left

L1727[19:27:36] <vifino> S3: or even better, could you build the kernel with EFI_STAGING_SIZE=64, zfs inbuild, without raid controllers, nvme, pcmia, parallel, hyperv, xen, and vmware? i need a relatively small kernel :/

L1728[19:27:57] <S3> lol wtf

L1729[19:28:02] <S3> wait what

L1730[19:28:03] <S3> hyperv?

L1731[19:28:08] <S3> isn't that a microsoft thing?

L1732[19:28:11] <vifino> *without*

L1733[19:28:14] <S3> or you mean hyperv guest support

L1734[19:28:14] <S3> OH

L1735[19:28:20] <vifino> i dont want none of that shiet.

L1736[19:28:25] <S3> zfs should be included right?

L1737[19:28:29] <vifino> yes

L1738[19:28:51] <S3> 1.2 gb availablre

L1739[19:28:59] <S3> I dunno how much space I need for this

L1740[19:30:16] <S3> wtf

L1741[19:30:19] <S3> 540 mb in hhvm/

L1742[19:30:23] <S3> gone

L1743[19:30:30] <vifino> hah

L1744[19:31:39] <vifino> lets hope this works, because if it isn't the kernel, i am absolutely fucking clueless

L1745[19:33:15] <S3> I almost think they throw the kernel under base..

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L1747[19:33:28] <S3> it always confuses me

L1748[19:34:23] <S3> yep

L1749[19:34:28] <S3> base/head/sys

L1750[19:40:22] <S3> r some reason I can't fetch the subversion sources

L1751[19:40:24] <S3> er

L1752[19:40:30] <S3> can't fetch the sources with subversion

L1753[19:40:35] <S3> must be in the wrong dir

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L1756[19:48:15] <lperkins2> how do I reload a library without rebooting OC?

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L1758[19:51:26] <ds84182> lperkins2: package.loaded[packagename] = nil

L1759[19:51:26] <gamax92> lperkins2: package.loaded["something"] = nil

L1760[19:51:30] <gamax92> fuck you ds

L1761[19:51:50] <lperkins2> thanks

L1762[19:52:09] <ds84182> gamax92: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

L1763[19:54:48] <Antheus> delete your system32 file

L1764[19:54:50] <Antheus> lolol

L1765[19:59:07] <gamax92> Antheus: you're a little late for that joke

L1766[20:00:31] <Kodos> About 10 years too late

L1767[20:00:44] <Antheus> sorry, I just finished running windows update

L1768[20:00:51] <vifino> S3: Status? :/

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L1771[20:15:30] <gamax92> pfft ...

L1772[20:15:53] <gamax92> Quiz: 30minutes, takes up like 3 minutes of that and gets 100%

L1773[20:16:56] <S3> vifino: nobody answered me in #freebsd :(

L1774[20:17:16] <S3> I can't download the damn sources for some reason, it's like they removed their subversion dirs

L1775[20:17:40] <vifino> weird

L1776[20:24:35] <S3> yeah even the official svn.freebsd.org isn't working

L1777[20:24:43] <S3> but I can visit the websvn..

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L1783[20:35:06] <scj643> S3 it still says your on mumble

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L1785[20:37:22] <S3> because I am

L1786[20:37:42] <S3> sorta

L1787[20:38:35] <scj643> Left your computer on

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L1789[20:40:02] <S3> so?

L1790[20:40:23] <S3> mumble kind of just hides

L1791[20:40:24] <scj643> It's no problem

L1792[20:40:28] <S3> lol

L1793[20:40:31] <S3> and I forget its even there

L1794[20:41:17] <scj643> Are you still at the same computer ?

L1795[20:41:25] <S3> yep

L1796[20:41:37] <scj643> Lol so you hear me :D

L1797[20:42:31] <scj643> Or is my sound setup broken in mumble

L1798[20:42:48] <S3> uh

L1799[20:42:52] <S3> I can hear you

L1800[20:42:57] <S3> but I dunno if you can hear me

L1801[20:43:10] <scj643> I can't

L1802[20:46:04] <S3> hmm

L1803[20:46:42] <scj643> Were you using jack

L1804[20:48:40] <scj643> Easy way to tell if it's working on your end is if the mouth next to your name is red

L1805[20:48:48] <vifino> I'm gonna go sleep. S3, if you ever get that kernel compiled, please throw it at me.

L1806[20:49:30] <scj643> Lol

L1807[20:50:14] <scj643> Isn't kernel compilation pretty tough

L1808[20:50:34] <gamax92> no

L1809[20:51:10] <scj643> Well it isn't the easiest thing

L1810[20:51:17] <gamax92> actually it really is

L1811[20:52:30] <gamax92> configure, build, done.

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L1814[20:55:09] <scj643> World edit doesn't work on project red cables

L1815[20:55:43] <S3> does for me

L1816[20:55:48] <S3> oh world edit

L1817[20:55:52] <S3> I was thinking of mcedit

L1818[20:56:12] <S3> yeah I dunno scj643 my mic isn't working right

L1819[20:56:43] <scj643> Have you tried rebooting?

L1820[20:56:54] <S3> not going to happen

L1821[20:56:58] <scj643> Dang

L1822[20:57:07] <scj643> Tried restarting OSS

L1823[20:57:16] <S3> OSS isnt' a service

L1824[20:57:24] <scj643> What is it then?

L1825[20:57:25] <S3> it's a subsystem

L1826[20:57:30] <gamax92> one does not restart oss

L1827[20:57:37] <scj643> Is it like alsa?

L1828[20:57:38] <S3> oss starts you

L1829[20:57:50] <gamax92> dun dun dunnnn

L1830[20:57:53] <scj643> Restart mumble

L1831[20:58:09] <S3> did that a few times

L1832[20:58:45] <gamax92> i guess ... you could unload and reload audio modules, if they aren't baked into the kernel ofc?

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L1834[20:59:50] <scj643> Is OSS on top of alsa or is alsa not a thing

L1835[21:01:00] <S3> Parents: Talk to your kids about Linux. Before somebody else does.

L1836[21:01:06] <Antheus> what is oss?

L1837[21:01:47] <S3> http://www.opensound.com/oss.html

L1838[21:02:16] <gamax92> scj643: oss is on the same level as alsa, they're kernel subsystems

L1839[21:02:25] <scj643> Oh

L1840[21:02:27] <gamax92> alsa apparently doesn't exist in FreeBSD land though

L1841[21:02:34] <scj643> Lol

L1842[21:02:36] <S3> you can install alsa in FreeBSD

L1843[21:02:40] <S3> but there's no point

L1844[21:02:47] <scj643> What about pulse audio

L1845[21:04:30] <ds84182> pulse is on top of whatevers available on the system

L1846[21:04:56] <ds84182> So instead of applications pumping out special code for alsa, oss, and whatever the fuck you use, they just use pulse

L1847[21:05:17] <gamax92> hah ... ds hah ...

L1848[21:05:51] <ds84182> Eh, you can configure pulse to use whatever you want with enough work

L1849[21:05:58] <S3> pulse audio has some nice features like the bluetooth protocols I need for my headset

L1850[21:06:02] <S3> but it's also awful

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L1852[21:16:50] <scj643> S3 I have some stuff I want to do with project red

L1853[21:17:02] <S3> ?

L1854[21:17:15] <scj643> Working with bundled cables

L1855[21:17:51] <scj643> Basically I want to learn more about how the led counters work

L1856[21:18:03] <S3> led counters?

L1857[21:18:09] <S3> what led counters

L1858[21:18:23] <Mimiru> http://ftb.gamepedia.com/Segment_Display I'd assume

L1859[21:18:41] <scj643> The big one you made

L1860[21:19:00] <S3> oh

L1861[21:19:31] <Kodos> ~w tutorials

L1862[21:19:32] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/tutorials

L1863[21:23:48] <S3> ~w ~w

L1864[21:23:48] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/ ( I tried D: )

L1865[21:23:58] <S3> aww no recursion

L1866[21:25:14] <Antheus> tfw you realize you forgot to make a efi partition

L1867[21:29:33] * Antheus smacks head against vifino

L1868[21:30:39] <Kodos> So, uhh, Don't use a computer to program your nanos

L1869[21:30:55] <Antheus> Kodos, did your nanos kill you?

L1870[21:30:58] <Kodos> No

L1871[21:31:03] <Kodos> But they mined my computer stuff

L1872[21:31:16] <Antheus> nanos can mine?

L1873[21:31:26] <Kodos> It's one of the hidden effects

L1874[21:31:37] <Kodos> I wasn't paying attention and it punched my computer stuff to oblivion

L1875[21:32:48] <Antheus> lol

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L1878[21:59:38] <gamax92> mmm

L1879[21:59:41] <gamax92> s//g/g

L1880[21:59:41] <Kibibyte> <gamax92> gmgmgmg

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L1882[22:04:26] <dangranos> what are nanos?

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L1885[22:13:40] <Kodos> Nanomachines

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L1887[22:31:43] <dangranos> oh

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L1895[23:19:34] <gamax92> Nanomachines?

L1896[23:20:42] <Sandra> nanomachines.

L1897[23:20:53] <Sandra> ~w nanomachines

L1898[23:20:53] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/item:nanomachines

L1899[23:21:56] <ds84182> So I spent the last hour or two implementing some material design like animations in love2d

L1900[23:22:06] <ds84182> I'm too tired to function() anymore

L1901[23:26:18] <gamax92> ds84182: why not write actual programs

L1902[23:26:52] <ds84182> gamax92: Because I got bored

L1903[23:27:01] <ds84182> These animations are really sexy though

L1904[23:27:13] <gamax92> ds84182: are they demoscene sexy?

L1905[23:27:26] <ds84182> sure, why not

L1906[23:29:06] <ds84182> sleepytime

L1907[23:29:22] <gamax92> ds84182: junction

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