OCLogs: 2015-10-02.log

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L9[01:27:00] <Kodos> Okay, now to write a program that converts total input from bundled cable back into 0-15

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L11[01:34:54] <lperkins2> http://postimg.org/image/qekcw25fp/

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L16[01:59:42] <lperkins2> this I think is a better demo... http://postimg.org/image/q1v8lejeh/

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L24[02:37:16] <Kodos> https://twitter.com/marek_rosa/status/649846438655074304

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L53[05:22:08] <Turtle> o/

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L66[07:26:53] <scj643> Looks like polymer only works well on chrome

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L68[07:28:15] <scj643> Just doesn't work well with the current Ubuntu version

L69[07:28:21] <scj643> Of Firefox

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L71[07:48:32] <Turtle> o/

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L73[07:49:16] <Turtle> hmh, just how persistant is OC with regards to crashes/badsysadminning

L74[07:49:41] <Turtle> Can I reliably expect computers that were on before a crash to either restart or resume?

L75[07:50:04] * Vexatos pokes Sangar

L76[07:50:16] <Kubuxu> They don't resume,

L77[07:50:29] <Kubuxu> And IIRC you have to restart them manually.

L78[07:50:45] <Kubuxu> But IMHO some changes in this matter could be maid.

L79[07:51:10] <Turtle> I know, from experience, CC is very fiddly with restarting or not

L80[07:51:12] <Kubuxu> On the other hand it could cause crash loop so I don't know if it is good idea.

L81[07:51:29] <Vexatos> well

L82[07:51:35] <Vexatos> I usually have a BC gate below my computer

L83[07:51:40] <Vexatos> if I need that to run 24/7

L84[07:51:46] <Vexatos> it checks every 5 seconds if it's turned off

L85[07:51:50] <Vexatos> and if it is, it will restart it

L86[07:51:51] <Turtle> Kubuxu, crashloops are not uncommon in other mods

L87[07:52:11] <Vexatos> so why not just use BC gates :P

L88[07:52:23] <Turtle> I could, didn't know that BC gates allow computers to start

L89[07:55:57] <Turtle> (This is regarding a server I needed to set up and do some stuff with, building an OC monetairy system is slightly less 'ugh' than trying to convince bukkit to work with mods)

L90[07:56:40] <Kubuxu> Turtle: we had pretty advanced money system in works.

L91[07:57:00] <Kubuxu> It's dev froze as I and Magik almost stopped playing MC again.

L92[07:57:10] <Turtle> ah :P

L93[07:57:30] <Turtle> Yeah I'm probably going to rely on the ender network card thingies and opensecurity's mag cards

L94[07:57:58] <Kubuxu> It is based on the OC's crypto card and Zetta's private NFC cards.

L95[07:58:32] <Vexatos> Turtle, BC gates do if you have Computronics installed :3

L96[07:58:39] <Turtle> I do have computronics

L97[07:58:46] <Turtle> also moarperipherals because damn that tower is good.

L98[07:58:57] <Vexatos> well, then you will have the triggers and actions on Computer cases

L99[08:00:15] <Turtle> actually let me look at the crypto cards

L100[08:01:53] <Kubuxu> They have public-private key crypto (tier 3) with signing.

L101[08:02:26] <Vexatos> Advanced Cipher block is still cooler :<

L102[08:03:00] <Turtle> yeah I will probably just do basic name+passwordhash

L103[08:04:06] <Izaya> luasocket is nice

L104[08:06:23] <Kodos> That tower is nice, but does it work with OC without CC being present?

L105[08:06:33] <Vexatos> It doesn't

L106[08:06:35] <Vexatos> it's a CC addon

L107[08:06:39] <Kodos> Then I don't care =P

L108[08:10:09] <Turtle> :P

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L110[08:25:22] <Kodos> o7

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L114[08:55:55] <Inari> Izaya: made your script for auto-repack yet? :P

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L119[10:02:17] <gamax92> I think I'll write a script to automatically reset the wireless when link quality dives down below 80

L120[10:02:42] <Inari> izaya-ojisan has abandoned us

L121[10:03:01] <gamax92> s/us/me/

L122[10:03:01] <Kibibyte> <Inari> izaya-ojisan has abandoned me

L123[10:03:10] <Inari> lol

L124[10:03:11] <gamax92> I'm sorry for your loss

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L126[10:03:52] <Inari> s/\/us\//\/me\//

L127[10:03:54] <Inari> :<

L128[10:06:08] <gamax92> ds84182: Hey, how can i get the current bssid in android?

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L137[10:35:48] <Mimiru> %seen TotallyNotKatie

L138[10:35:50] <MichiBot> Mimiru: TotallyNotKatie was last seen 1d 15h 24m 29s ago.

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L140[10:37:01] <vifino> Hey Mimiru.

L141[10:37:09] <Mimiru> Hi vifino

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L143[10:37:34] <vifino> How are you doing?

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L145[10:38:22] <Mimiru> Meh. Not too bad, you?

L146[10:41:53] <vifino> Quite okay.

L147[10:44:20] <Mimiru> Yeah..

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L149[10:45:39] <Mimiru> Oh it worked

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L151[10:47:12] <Mimiru> %ytc enable

L152[10:47:15] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Enabled YTInfo for this channel

L153[10:47:16] <Mimiru> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeaIvjoH1FY

L154[10:47:17] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Flight Facilities - Crave You (Adventure Club Dubstep Remix) | length: 3m 57s | Likes: 307201 Dislikes: 5364 Views: 41062010 | by MrSuicideSheep

L155[10:47:21] <Mimiru> \o/

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L157[10:48:33] <Mimiru> %ytc list

L158[10:48:33] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Enabled YT channels: [#oc]

L159[10:48:51] <Mimiru> %url list

L160[10:48:51] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Enabled URL channels: []

L161[10:48:53] <Mimiru> good.

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L165[11:02:05] <Lizzy> Ohai mimiru

L166[11:02:21] <Mimiru> o/ Lizzy

L167[11:02:39] <Mimiru> %alot enable

L168[11:02:41] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Enabled Alot for this channel

L169[11:02:51] <Mimiru> I like this a lot

L170[11:02:53] <Mimiru> aww

L171[11:02:54] <Mimiru> right

L172[11:02:59] <Mimiru> autoreplace lol

L173[11:03:05] <vifino> hah

L174[11:03:08] <Lizzy> I like alot of spam

L175[11:03:09] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt

L176[11:03:09] <Skye> alot

L177[11:03:10] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt

L178[11:03:29] <Lizzy> Huh, EnderBot2 didn't respond to the spam

L179[11:03:40] <Mimiru> Isn't it still a random chance?

L180[11:03:56] <Lizzy> Yeah, usually it does though

L181[11:04:24] <Mimiru> Meh I find if you spam it enough

L182[11:04:24] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

L183[11:04:29] <Mimiru> it'll do it :P

L184[11:04:33] <Lizzy> There we go

L185[11:04:35] <Lizzy> Now

L186[11:04:51] <Lizzy> Now it won't do it for another 5 or so mins

L187[11:04:54] <Mimiru> Meh, I still need to move ignored users into sqlite

L188[11:05:26] <vifino> oh boy

L189[11:05:36] <vifino> pkgconf compiles its stuff with -funroll-loops by default

L190[11:05:38] <vifino> .-.

L191[11:05:56] <vifino> thats so gentoo i dont even

L192[11:06:09] <vifino> wait, not pkgconf, shine

L193[11:06:10] <vifino> *

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L208[11:38:19] <Sangar> weekend \o/

L209[11:39:55] <Lizzy> Woo

L210[11:42:27] <vifino> woo

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L222[12:00:44] <vifino> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQU8GgYWsAEpoj4.jpg:large

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L225[12:19:54] <Sangar> :O http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap150929.html

L226[12:21:17] <vifino> Sangar: oh my :o

L227[12:22:52] <lperkins2> So, how do I add a script to the boot disk? I want to add a library to the openos disk

L228[12:40:45] <dangranos> you can make a custom loot disk

L229[12:41:09] <lperkins2> Yeah, thought about that

L230[12:41:22] <dangranos> you can do that without poking jar

L231[12:41:48] <lperkins2> Yeah, assuming they're just in the jar file, I'll just push it in there

L232[12:42:13] <dangranos> ._.

L233[12:42:18] <lperkins2> Just wanted to know if there's some list of which to actually include or something that would require actually recompiling.

L234[12:42:18] <dangranos> whatever

L235[12:42:32] <dangranos> nope, those are just assets

L236[12:42:45] <dangranos> you'll need reload though (i think)

L237[12:42:59] <lperkins2> Yeah, probably.

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L255[14:08:14] <Lizzy> https://youtu.be/vWmDHO_0P5Q

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L258[14:16:34] <ping> Lizzy, tom scott 0/10 noob

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L262[14:22:24] <Wobbo> o/

L263[14:22:34] <CompanionCube> !wobbo

L264[14:22:38] <Sangar> ohai wobbo!

L265[14:22:50] <Izaya> .wobbo

L266[14:22:54] <Izaya> ...

L267[14:23:15] <Wobbo> How are things going?

L268[14:23:46] <Sangar> pretty good

L269[14:23:49] <Sangar> self?

L270[14:24:18] <Emblem> Oh lord.

L271[14:24:20] <Wobbo> Busy as always, but fine.

L272[14:24:36] <Emblem> TIL Nanobots will take chunks of health to recharge

L273[14:24:39] <Skye> Sangar, not good, you failed and we had to send you to a data recovery service

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L275[14:24:59] <Sangar> Skye, see, i don't remember that part ;)

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L278[14:25:14] <Izaya> hah

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L280[14:25:22] <Wobbo> Sangar: You didn't wake up and felt like you missed a day?

L281[14:25:43] <Sangar> Wobbo, nah, fabricated memories ftw

L282[14:25:46] <gamax92> artificial data was generated for the missing day

L283[14:26:26] <Skye> nah

L284[14:26:29] <Wobbo> Damn, I might be reset quite regularly then. I'm never sure which day it is

L285[14:26:30] <Skye> the day wasn't missing

L286[14:26:42] <Skye> the day ended like a horrible nightmare

L287[14:26:58] <Sangar> Wobbo, as long as you have no deja-vus everything's fine ;)

L288[14:27:09] <Wobbo> Not regularly, no

L289[14:27:15] <Sangar> how's vifino's novella going anyway

L290[14:27:18] <Emblem> DAFUQ

L291[14:27:28] <gamax92> hi Emblem

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L293[14:27:32] <Emblem> Hi.

L294[14:27:37] <Emblem> I DON'T THINK THE CONFIG WORKED

L295[14:27:38] <Sangar> emblem's being eaten by nanomachines :P

L296[14:27:44] <Temia> >.>

L297[14:27:47] <vifino> Sangar: oh, yeah, i wrote it in a few hours, didnt heck if though, people liked it and stuff.

L298[14:27:48] <Emblem> I disabled Harm effect

L299[14:27:52] <Wobbo> That should totally be a death message

L300[14:27:59] <vifino> CompanionCube: gist where!

L301[14:28:05] <Emblem> Aaaaaand it didn't work

L302[14:28:09] <Emblem> got harm'd anyways

L303[14:28:11] <Izaya> reduced to a fine paste, perhaps?

L304[14:28:17] <Sangar> Emblem, did you a) restart mc, b) eat new nanomachines?

L305[14:28:21] <Emblem> Yes.

L306[14:28:23] <Emblem> Both.

L307[14:28:34] <CompanionCube> vifino, wut?

L308[14:28:37] <CompanionCube> ah

L309[14:28:51] <Sangar> well, it only draws from the list in the config, so it has to be some other effect then :P

L310[14:28:52] <CompanionCube> Sangar, ah. Want me to give you the link?

L311[14:28:59] <Emblem> Nope, listed as harm.

L312[14:29:02] <Sangar> CompanionCube, please

L313[14:29:07] <Temia> DivideByDiamondException remains my favourite death message.

L314[14:29:12] <CompanionCube> https://gist.github.com/vifino/287cf8c490fae3f06526

L315[14:29:30] <gamax92> Temia: >_>

L316[14:29:41] <vifino> .-. now everyone gets to see how terribad my writing skills are

L317[14:29:46] <Emblem> New nanos -> close MC -> re-save config -> re-open -> new nanos -> DED

L318[14:29:49] <vifino> thaaaaaaaaaaaanks CompanionCube >___>

L319[14:29:59] <CompanionCube> vifino, it's not terribad

L320[14:30:02] <Sangar> let's post it on reddit! :P

L321[14:30:07] <vifino> its terribad.

L322[14:30:07] <vifino> :l

L323[14:30:08] * CompanionCube huggles vifino

L324[14:30:20] <gamax92> vifino: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j62vRELKc_4

L325[14:30:20] * vifino hugs CompanionCube back

L326[14:30:21] <MichiBot> gamax92: I tried a thing. | length: 32s | Likes: 0 Dislikes: 0 View: 1 | by gamax92

L327[14:30:22] <CompanionCube> huggles is a word now mkay

L328[14:30:30] <Izaya> vifino, I've seen worse - ie mine

L329[14:30:42] <Lizzy> CompanionCube, huggles has always been a word, did you not get the memo?

L330[14:31:32] <Wobbo> vifino: There are multiple subreddits about writing, you might try posting it there if its on the internet anyway

L331[14:31:40] <vifino> gamax92: that sounds like skipping to positions of a reversed sound

L332[14:31:53] <vifino> or something

L333[14:32:02] <gamax92> it's a thing that I tried

L334[14:32:17] <vifino> Wobbo: .~. yeah, r/roastme

L335[14:33:12] <CompanionCube> could just say it was written by a friend

L336[14:33:13] <Emblem> Sagnar0 is it possible to just flat-out get no effects on a nanomachines input?

L337[14:34:44] <Wobbo> vifino: https://www.reddit.com/r/shortscifistories

L338[14:34:45] <Sangar> Emblem, no. it'll always do something, but it might need a second to.

L339[14:34:56] <Temia> Vifino what am I reading

L340[14:35:09] <vifino> nothing .-.

L341[14:35:21] <Temia> This seems like an awful lot of nothing then!

L342[14:35:37] <vifino> or something not many people should have read .-.

L343[14:36:05] <CompanionCube> Temia, you're reading vifino's story of Sangar the HDD

L344[14:36:07] <Sangar> vifino, ignoring the typos, fine ;)

L345[14:36:12] <Emblem> With 10 dead inputs, iterating through every possible combo, I've only found 4 hidden inputs @-@

L346[14:36:43] <vifino> Sangar: I wrote it in one go at 3 am or something, put it there without even reading it first <_<

L347[14:36:52] <Sangar> heh

L348[14:37:07] <Sangar> if i'm panicking, make me kernel panic, please :P

L349[14:37:19] <CompanionCube> since when would a HDD be running a kernel

L350[14:37:31] <Sangar> since when would usb call firewire?

L351[14:37:35] <vifino> I may or may not have drawn a bit of artwork of you <_<

L352[14:37:36] <Wobbo> CC: Go away with your logic!

L353[14:37:37] <CompanionCube> the military totally needs to have a Colonel Panic though

L354[14:37:51] <Sangar> >_>

L355[14:37:59] <Temia> Kernel Panic! At the disk0

L356[14:38:18] <CompanionCube> Sangar, bad pun?

L357[14:38:27] <vifino> CompanionCube: bad day?

L358[14:38:33] <Sangar> CC i love bad puns :P

L359[14:39:12] <CompanionCube> inb4 General Protection Fault

L360[14:39:45] <lperkins2> What's lua's binary and operator?

L361[14:40:26] <gamax92> bit32.band or &

L362[14:40:47] <gamax92> 5.2/5.3 and 5.3 respectively

L363[14:41:08] <Dashkal> Sangar: A sheep, a drum, and a snake fall off a cliff. Ba-dumm-tsss

L364[14:41:16] <Temia> The Bitbangers would make an awesome chiptune group

L365[14:41:49] <Wobbo> Dashkal: Tom drums and a Cymbal fall of a cliff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eXj97stbG8

L366[14:41:50] <MichiBot> Wobbo: Two Drums and a Cymbal Fall off a Cliff | length: 59s | Likes: 5088 Dislikes: 100 Views: 588040 | by Tom Scott

L367[14:42:17] <lperkins2> why is 5.2 masked I gentoo... ugh

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L369[14:42:27] <gamax92> lperkins2: wat

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L371[14:42:38] <Lizzy> ha

L372[14:42:41] <gamax92> wow holy shit that video is old

L373[14:42:42] <CompanionCube> vifino, would you mind if I posted it to /r/shortscifistories saying it came from a friend

L374[14:42:46] <CompanionCube> so you don't have to be grilled

L375[14:42:47] <lperkins2> I'm doing an emerge sync, maybe I just synced last time at a bad spot

L376[14:42:59] <vifino> http://strawpoll.me/5635780 <_<

L377[14:43:15] <vifino> CompanionCube: meh, i dunno.

L378[14:44:20] <S3> scj643: Hey

L379[14:44:20] <Dashkal> Wobbo: Oh that's amazing

L380[14:44:46] <S3> just made a PAL decoder on scj643's server

L381[14:44:47] <S3> :D

L382[14:44:50] <scj643> Yes

L383[14:45:00] <S3> it's extremely fast

L384[14:45:01] <scj643> Getting on mumble

L385[14:45:15] <S3> won'tbe on long because gotta pay rent

L386[14:45:17] <Wobbo> gamax92: Its just from 2009

L387[14:45:36] <gamax92> yes, old

L388[14:45:48] <gamax92> thats like what, more than 6 years ago?

L389[14:45:49] <vifino> pls voat on zhe poll <.<

L390[14:45:58] <vifino> its important ._.

L391[14:45:59] <Wobbo> There are freshman who think I'm old now and you are only making me feel older :(

L392[14:46:12] <gamax92> plz voat an zhe paul

L393[14:46:35] * vifino pokes gamax92 with http://strawpoll.me/5635780

L394[14:46:37] <Temia> Wobbo, age check?

L395[14:47:18] <Temia> Vifino

L396[14:47:28] <vifino> Temiamoo.

L397[14:47:30] <Temia> Where's the "this is silly and cute and you're silly and cute *cheekpinch*" option

L398[14:47:43] <vifino> <.<

L399[14:47:45] <Wobbo> Temia: 21

L400[14:48:05] <Temia> Cry me a river then.

L401[14:48:10] <gamax92> hah

L402[14:48:36] * Dashkal shakes his cane at everybody

L403[14:48:41] <vifino> Temia: I'm making a new poll already ._.

L404[14:48:41] <Wobbo> I know I'm not old, but that doesn't mean that I can't feel that way

L405[14:48:53] <Dashkal> In internet years I'm ancient. Still fairly young in human years though.

L406[14:49:02] <Temia> Yeah, but as someone who has always felt old and is in fact older than you

L407[14:49:20] <lperkins2> yup, fresh emerge --sync

L408[14:49:20] <Temia> I get to leverage my cynicism :P

L409[14:49:24] <Wobbo> I mean, there are also 9 or 10-years at the study association, so I know I'm not old, but still…

L410[14:49:27] <lperkins2> and lua 5.2.3 iss still masked

L411[14:49:38] <lperkins2> (hard mask {M})

L412[14:49:40] <CompanionCube> unmask it

L413[14:49:44] <lperkins2> obviously,

L414[14:49:48] <lperkins2> I'm just surprised

L415[14:49:49] <gamax92> force install

L416[14:50:09] <gamax92> download the archive and unpack it, run any scripts, edit database to make as install

L417[14:51:31] <vifino> Temia: http://strawpoll.me/5635845 <.<

L418[14:51:50] <Temia> :D

L419[14:52:15] <lperkins2> hm, wesnoth requires lua 5.1...

L420[14:52:48] <Temia> Is that game any good?

L421[14:53:04] <lperkins2> It's okay

L422[14:53:22] <lperkins2> It uses an LCPRNG, so it can be a bit annoything

L423[14:53:32] <Temia> I see it every so often but I never really bothered trying it because I'm not big on strategy games

L424[14:53:34] <lperkins2> but a patch to make it use a good RNG is easy

L425[14:53:44] <lperkins2> some of the story lines are pretty good

L426[14:53:53] <lperkins2> the lack of ranged weapons is annoying.

L427[14:55:45] <vifino> Sangar: http://strawpoll.me/5635845

L428[14:55:52] <vifino> most important person to vote

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L430[14:58:02] <vifino> CompanionCube: Why do you want to post it there again? >_>

L431[14:58:12] <CompanionCube> vifino, because why not

L432[14:58:18] <vifino> ._.

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L434[14:58:26] <CompanionCube> and because it's not bad

L435[14:58:31] <vifino> pfft

L436[14:59:18] <Wobbo> vifino: If you post it ther you can get critique on your writing and improve

L437[14:59:26] <vifino> Temia: Your option has 50% x.x

L438[14:59:35] <vifino> woops, 56% .-.

L439[15:00:03] <Temia> :'D

L440[15:00:12] * Temia cheekpinches

L441[15:01:11] <vifino> Wobbo: I wrote it because people demanded for more Sangar the hard drive jokes, I'm terrible at writing and I will probably not write anything in the near future without a good reason, nor did I check the text I wrote through, i wrote it in a few hours in vim at 3 am <.<

L442[15:01:16] <vifino> '.'

L443[15:01:44] <DeanIsaKitty> o/

L444[15:01:44] <Wobbo> vifino: vim master race!

L445[15:01:50] <Wobbo> Hi Dean

L446[15:01:54] <vifino> Wobbo: Indeed.

L447[15:01:57] <DeanIsaKitty> Hi Wobbo

L448[15:02:01] <vifino> ohai DeanIsaKitty

L449[15:02:06] <DeanIsaKitty> ohai vifino

L450[15:02:09] <vifino> Wanna read something terrible?

L451[15:02:09] * Lizzy divehugs DeanIsaKitty

L452[15:02:21] <DeanIsaKitty> eeeeeek *splash*

L453[15:02:29] * DeanIsaKitty hugs Lizzy

L454[15:02:33] <Lizzy> who put the pool here?

L455[15:02:38] * Lizzy hugs DeanIsaKitty back

L456[15:02:44] <sugoi> lperkins2: fellow gentooer!? hi o/

L457[15:02:56] <vifino> oh boy, gentoo overload

L458[15:03:02] <vifino> RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN

L459[15:03:03] <sugoi> >.<

L460[15:03:05] <lperkins2> yeah, switched from mint 2 years ago

L461[15:03:15] <sugoi> i'm here when you need a hug

L462[15:03:35] <Wobbo> The levle of Gentoo is TOO DAMN HIGH! :P

L463[15:03:37] <lperkins2> got a processor with the avx extensiion and wanted to be able to take advantage of it

L464[15:03:48] <vifino> more like the waiting is too long!

L465[15:03:58] <sugoi> i love so much about gentoo. but i won't kid, i love watching updates compile

L466[15:04:06] <DeanIsaKitty> Today is probably the most popcorn-worthy day the whole year of 2015 when it comes to news :'D

L467[15:04:23] <sugoi> why? /me opens news

L468[15:04:25] <lperkins2> Waiting isn't long when you've got a mini server farm to do the compiles, distcc is great

L469[15:04:40] <DeanIsaKitty> First: Microsoft now owns Havok

L470[15:04:41] <Emblem> what the poop

L471[15:04:44] <Emblem> this batch of nanobots

L472[15:04:47] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: https://gist.github.com/vifino/287cf8c490fae3f06526 and http://strawpoll.me/5635845 written in a few hours at 3 am without reading it myself <_<

L473[15:04:53] <Emblem> gave ONE input

L474[15:04:57] <Emblem> A PARTICLE EFFECT

L475[15:05:04] <Emblem> how.jpg

L476[15:05:08] <sugoi> lperkins2: distcc is great, but i don't mind the long builds.

L477[15:05:16] <DeanIsaKitty> Amazon kicked out Apple TV and Google Chromecast because THE FREE MARKET WILL SAVE US ALL

L478[15:05:23] <DeanIsaKitty> And then

L479[15:05:50] <lperkins2> Yeah, my current project is compiling gentoo for an i586

L480[15:05:59] <lperkins2> cause I have a 586 arch for OC

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L482[15:06:34] <Skye> lperkins2, i586 is the original Pentium?

L483[15:06:41] <DeanIsaKitty> http://de.sputniknews.com/politik/20151001/304637207/putin-syrien-angriffe-zivilisten-opfer.html Sorry for you english speaking ppl

L484[15:06:56] <DeanIsaKitty> I'm just rolling on the floor laughting right now :'D

L485[15:07:02] <lperkins2> more or less, strictly JPC is a 686, pentium II

L486[15:07:12] <lperkins2> but some of the 686 instructions are buggy

L487[15:07:55] <Wobbo> DeanIsaKitty: I didn't even know you could buy apple products on Amazon!

L488[15:10:04] <DeanIsaKitty> Anyway, the last one is pretty much USA spouting about "civil deaths" caused by Russia's planes and Putin was like "... We haven't even flown our first attack run yet."

L489[15:10:25] <Wobbo> DeanIsaKitty: Putin is pretty weird

L490[15:10:33] * vifino pokes DeanIsaKitty

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L498[15:11:51] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: Mind giving it a read and voting?

L499[15:11:53] <Temia> How's that JPC integration going, by the way?

L500[15:12:05] <lperkins2> It's functional, after a fashion

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L502[15:12:30] <lperkins2> I'm still trying to get /init (linuxrc) to read from /dev/tty0 and write to /dev/ttyS0

L503[15:12:56] <lperkins2> the current issue is genkernel keeps ignoring my modified linuxrc file

L504[15:13:17] <lperkins2> but it boots, and it runs

L505[15:13:46] <lperkins2> got sidetracked writing a little python.lua project, and I'm about to have to do a paying job...

L506[15:13:51] <sugoi> never used genkernel. you like it (besides your rc file issue)?

L507[15:14:08] <lperkins2> but then I'll be writing device drivers for talking to OC components

L508[15:14:20] <Temia> Wait, why reading and writing to two separate ttys?

L509[15:14:23] <lperkins2> it's okay, it streamlines a lot of stuff for you

L510[15:14:31] <Temia> Can't you feed keyboard input into the ttyS0 Rx stream?

L511[15:14:43] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Python2lua compiler?

L512[15:14:55] <lperkins2> because the ttyS0 input is not implemnted

L513[15:15:01] <Temia> oh ._.

L514[15:15:03] <lperkins2> there's a stub for it,

L515[15:15:12] <lperkins2> meanwhile the PS/2 input is complete

L516[15:15:19] <lperkins2> No, not a compiler

L517[15:15:22] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino: its says. Really. Not sais.

L518[15:15:33] <lperkins2> an implementation of ceval.c in lua

L519[15:15:42] <Temia> On your end or on JPC's?

L520[15:15:48] <lperkins2> JPC's

L521[15:15:53] <Temia> shiiiit.

L522[15:16:03] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: "written in a few hours at 3 am without reading it myself <_<" >_>

L523[15:16:13] <lperkins2> spawning init on 2 consoles is simple,

L524[15:16:14] <Temia> I'dve thought a full serial interface would've been a priority target.

L525[15:16:28] <DeanIsaKitty> Yeah, i figured that after three sentences :P

L526[15:16:31] <lperkins2> stuff... < /dev/tty0 > /dev/ttyS0 2>&

L527[15:16:49] <lperkins2> /s/&/&1/

L528[15:16:50] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, what do you think of it

L529[15:16:50] <Vex|Mobile> Sais?

L530[15:16:51] <Kodos> What the hell is a sanger hard drive

L531[15:17:08] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Whats ceval.c?

L532[15:17:17] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: Now will you two stop bombarding me?? :D

L533[15:17:29] <Vex|Mobile> Kodos, a hard drive containing Snagar

L534[15:17:32] <CompanionCube> ^

L535[15:17:37] <lperkins2> CPython uses a state machine (called the python vm) to execute bytecode generated by the python compiler

L536[15:17:40] <CompanionCube> that Skye shook

L537[15:17:47] <Kodos> vifino, what's the strawpoll for

L538[15:17:48] <lperkins2> the file which runs the state machine is ceval.c

L539[15:17:59] <vifino> Kodos: read the darn title

L540[15:18:03] <Vex|Mobile> a skye hook?

L541[15:18:18] <lperkins2> http://postimg.org/image/q1v8lejeh/

L542[15:18:32] <Wobbo> lperkins2: So it allows you to run python bytecode?

L543[15:18:35] <lperkins2> yup

L544[15:18:37] <Kodos> "How do you rate Sangar the Hard drive?"

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L546[15:18:52] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino: Its probably quite good. But I am the wrong person for fanfiction and I'm 115% sure I do not want any part in #oc fanfic :P

L547[15:18:56] <Kodos> That's not the kind of title I'm able to understand within 10 minutes of waking up

L548[15:19:11] <lperkins2> on the backend, I have a fuse filesystem set up which automatically compiles .py files to .pyc whenever the .py file is flushed

L549[15:19:28] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: Alright. *cough* http://strawpoll.me/5635845 *cough*

L550[15:19:43] <lperkins2> which allows editing the .py files on OC, and then executing them

L551[15:19:54] <lperkins2> classes, function, importing all work

L552[15:19:54] <vifino> and don't dare to choose the Temia option, DeanIsaKitty.

L553[15:20:05] <Temia> aw, why not :<

L554[15:20:09] <vifino> x.x

L555[15:20:10] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino: But I can only vote once 0.0

L556[15:20:21] <vifino> oh, alrighty then

L557[15:20:29] <lperkins2> I'm currently making vararg functions and kwarg functions work properly

L558[15:20:33] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino: "u suck"? or which one? :P

L559[15:20:50] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: "this is silly and cute and you're silly and cute *cheekpinch*" >.>

L560[15:21:28] <DeanIsaKitty> I was debating either that or "I don't want to answer" but choose something completely other in the end :P

L561[15:22:05] <vifino> What did you choose?

L562[15:22:15] <DeanIsaKitty> :)

L563[15:22:21] <Wobbo> vifino: "U suck" obviously

L564[15:22:26] <vifino> that's not an option, maybe next time, DeanIsaKitty.

L565[15:23:18] <vifino> Apart from that, why do so many people choose 'this is silly and cute and you're silly and cute *cheekpinch*'? Like, 45% ._.

L566[15:23:42] <Wobbo> vifino: Because you are so worked up about it

L567[15:23:51] <vifino> .-.

L568[15:24:32] <lperkins2> the whole thing is about 2k lines lua

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L570[15:24:45] <lperkins2> got about 2/3 of the opcodes supported

L571[15:25:38] <CompanionCube> wow

L572[15:26:19] <lperkins2> getting IEEE754 support was the most annoying part

L573[15:26:44] <Wobbo> lperkins2: IEEE754 does what?

L574[15:26:57] <lperkins2> binary representation of floating point number

L575[15:27:36] <lperkins2> pyc files are marshalled code objects, the marshal format encodes floats as 64bit IE754

L576[15:27:42] <lperkins2> IEEE754

L577[15:28:14] <lperkins2> lua doesn't know how to read that, so you have to read it in, bitshift, and do math

L578[15:28:51] <gamax92> lperkins2: you can do that in 5.3

L579[15:29:11] <lperkins2> 5.3 isn't even in portage yet...

L580[15:29:13] <gamax92> string.pack will take double bytes and spit out a number

L581[15:29:17] <lperkins2> is OC running 5.3?

L582[15:29:24] <gamax92> it has 5.3 in it, not by default

L583[15:29:42] <lperkins2> packing them is easy

L584[15:29:46] <lperkins2> I need to unpack them

L585[15:29:47] <gamax92> you have to shift rclick the gpu iirc.

L586[15:29:53] <gamax92> err sorry, string.unpack

L587[15:30:00] <Temia> The CPU, but yes

L588[15:30:05] <gamax92> >_> yes, cpu

L589[15:30:10] <Temia> also jeez.

L590[15:30:14] <Temia> Arch got 5.3 ages ago.

L591[15:30:16] * gamax92 goes back to sleep

L592[15:30:16] <lperkins2> string.unpack==nil, in 5.2

L593[15:30:20] <Temia> Gentoo really is backwards

L594[15:30:22] <gamax92> because I said 5.3

L595[15:30:26] <Temia> Or awit

L596[15:30:28] * Temia rubs eyes

L597[15:30:36] <lperkins2> aye, I was just confirming that it isn't there in < 5.3

L598[15:30:41] <Temia> Yeah, Gentoo

L599[15:30:50] <Wobbo> In brew 5.2.4 is still default

L600[15:30:53] <lperkins2> and my implementation will work on 5.3, so it should be finee

L601[15:30:55] <vifino> Gentoo is the home of rice.

L602[15:30:56] <Temia> I need more coffee. I was starting to mix up portage/ports in my head

L603[15:31:13] * gamax92 curls up on Temia instead

L604[15:31:15] <lperkins2> it even all runs in 5.1

L605[15:31:26] <vifino> Temia: portage is gentoo, ports is freebsd

L606[15:31:37] <Temia> Yeah.

L607[15:31:41] <Temia> "was'

L608[15:31:48] <gamax92> cool but, for 100% guaranteed accuracy or even just speed, use string.unpack :P

L609[15:31:53] <Temia> I set myself straight pretty promptly

L610[15:31:55] <vifino> Was just trying to help '.'

L611[15:31:58] * Temia headpats.

L612[15:32:05] <lperkins2> ugh, lua...

L613[15:32:14] <lperkins2> if 0 then print(5) end >> 5

L614[15:32:25] * cloakable fox()

L615[15:32:37] <lperkins2> I get languages which don't support conditional with non-boolean types

L616[15:32:40] <DeanIsaKitty> vifino: OpenBSD & FreeBSD has ports. But they are not exactly the same thing

L617[15:32:49] <lperkins2> but I don't get the logic of bool(0)==true...

L618[15:32:56] <vifino> s/freebsd$/*BSD/

L619[15:32:56] <Kibibyte> <vifino> Temia: portage is gentoo, ports is *BSD

L620[15:32:59] <vifino> <_<

L621[15:33:03] <sugoi> lperkins2: i agree

L622[15:33:03] <gamax92> only booleans are booleans, except for nil, which is falsy

L623[15:33:09] <gamax92> numbers are not booleans

L624[15:33:12] <Wobbo> lperkins2: only nil and false are false, its because Lua is a Lisp

L625[15:33:18] <sugoi> booleans are numbers :)

L626[15:33:25] <gamax92> not in lua sugoi

L627[15:33:31] <gamax92> stop spreading false logic

L628[15:33:33] <Temia> that captain lua, it is a LISP!

L629[15:33:44] <Temia> </obscuregundamjokes>

L630[15:33:48] <DeanIsaKitty> Technically NetBSD does use Ports but the call it pcksrc or something like that

L631[15:33:58] <sugoi> i wasn't talking about lua - i assumed my sarcasm was obvious

L632[15:34:03] <lperkins2> yeah, I know what it is, and it's one of the things about CLisp that I don't like.

L633[15:34:07] <vifino> pkgsrc*

L634[15:34:28] <DeanIsaKitty> See last 4 words

L635[15:34:45] <sugoi> just agreeing with lperkins2 , in that, 0 is false bc booleans are numbers (i would expect in a language)

L636[15:34:52] <lperkins2> It's like java, where you must compare 1==1, which the jvm turns into aa 1

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L638[15:35:13] <lperkins2> I wouldn't expect it in a language, I'd expect bool(0) to be false, subtly different

L639[15:35:26] <Wobbo> lperkins2: It makes a lot of sense actually, why would 0 be false?

L640[15:35:49] <lperkins2> basically if the if operator will accept args that are not type==bool, then if(0) sshould take the false branch

L641[15:36:02] <lperkins2> It's an artifact of C and other similar low level languages

L642[15:36:20] <Temia> Where booleans are social constructs

L643[15:36:34] <Wobbo> lperkins2: for a low level language I can see why, but we don't drag around artifacts of low level languages all the time

L644[15:36:50] <vifino> oh, i completely forgot

L645[15:36:52] <sugoi> i do, it makes sense

L646[15:36:55] <vifino> Nice to see you, DeanIsaKitty.

L647[15:37:05] <lperkins2> the fact that 0==NULL==false, because your CPU is usually optimized for branch statements to work based on register-holds-zero or not register-holds-zero

L648[15:37:09] <DeanIsaKitty> Huh? did I do something wrong?

L649[15:37:15] <sugoi> false, off, 0, no, empty, nil -- zeros

L650[15:37:38] <sugoi> but meh, let's change the meaning of false because it shouldn't matter where we came from

L651[15:37:55] <gamax92> it is its own language >_>

L652[15:37:59] <sugoi> that said, don't get me wrong. i love lua - the only scripting language i have enjoyed

L653[15:38:07] <gamax92> it doesn't have to fucking emulate behaviours of other languages

L654[15:38:13] <gamax92> it just has to be its own language

L655[15:38:28] <lperkins2> Not saying that it does, just that it is a non-intuitive, non-sensical design decision

L656[15:38:36] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: No, you didn't. I just decided to greet you a bit nicer and less single-word-y

L657[15:38:37] <sugoi> same

L658[15:38:39] <DeanIsaKitty> Why tf are you talking about true/false when Lua counts from 1 and not from 0? <.<

L659[15:38:54] <sugoi> DeanIsaKitty: well i disagree with that too :)

L660[15:38:55] <DeanIsaKitty> Ah. Nice to see you too vifino :)

L661[15:39:11] <sugoi> and yes, i count from 0 all the time irl

L662[15:39:18] <sugoi> whenever i'm talking about position

L663[15:39:18] <lperkins2> because I've got a spot where I'm doing what should be a silly comparison

L664[15:39:20] <lperkins2> (val > 0)

L665[15:40:10] <lperkins2> And I'm betting that any decent JIT implementation of lua will see that and go 'Oh! if val...'

L666[15:40:17] <Wobbo> sugoi: Then you are doing it wrong, you count from 1, index from 0 :P

L667[15:40:27] <vifino> DeanIsaKitty: Oh, yeah, I helped a CCC member with Makefile syntax :P

L668[15:40:49] <DeanIsaKitty> Cool

L669[15:40:53] <Kodos> Can someone go to steam's store via website, and take a screenshot of where the change language option is

L670[15:41:01] <Kodos> I accidentally set mine to some cyrillic language

L671[15:41:10] <lperkins2> ouch...

L672[15:41:15] <gamax92> also, I have to wonder why google maps' street view will randomly break like it can and ahs

L673[15:42:11] <sugoi> Wobbo: that's what i was trying to say, i index from 0

L674[15:42:11] <gamax92> not like the application crashes but like, the imagery is just plain messed up, example: new baltimore

L675[15:42:21] <Temia> Click random drop-downs until you start seeing things that aren't in Cyrillic?

L676[15:42:26] <DeanIsaKitty> Kodos: Far right top. Right of Install steam button (look for a caret)

L677[15:43:58] <Kodos> Got it, thanks

L678[15:48:53] <DeanIsaKitty> Random PSA: My GPG FP is 3F29 7AF1 E725 3031 1127 8C5F E9B5 049B 2974 C68A. If somebody gives you a key with my name on it with a different fp shoot some lead in the general direction of that fella, will you?

L679[15:49:12] <Temia> You're concerned someone is impersonating you?

L680[15:49:29] <DeanIsaKitty> *again

L681[15:49:55] <Wobbo> Why would people be impersonating you?

L682[15:50:24] <Temia> Shit, that's a hard lot in life :/

L683[15:50:48] <DeanIsaKitty> Revenge/Malice/My access to certain servers in a certain country :/

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L685[15:51:52] <lperkins2> Gah, why does lua not display a table's contents by default when printing it..

L686[15:52:35] <DeanIsaKitty> lperkins2: table.foreach(t, print) ?

L687[15:52:53] <vifino> is that a thing?

L688[15:53:00] <DeanIsaKitty> Temia: I had worse, don't worry ;)

L689[15:53:03] <vifino> > table.foreach

L690[15:53:03] <vifino> nil

L691[15:53:10] <DeanIsaKitty> Huh?

L692[15:53:13] <vifino> not in lua 5.3.1

L693[15:53:28] <DeanIsaKitty> I tought there was something like that but my lua has become rusty over time

L694[15:53:54] <DeanIsaKitty> 'Note: this function is deprecated in Lua 5.1' Oh

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L696[15:54:30] <lperkins2> yes..., but such solutions are much more typing than print(t)

L697[15:54:51] <Wobbo> function t(tab) return setmetatable(tab, {__tostring = function(self) local rep = {} for k, v in pairs(tab) do table.insert(rep, tostring(k) .. " = " .. tostring(v)) end return table.concat(rep, ", ") end })

L698[15:55:14] <DeanIsaKitty> And thats less typing because ... ?

L699[15:55:40] <Wobbo> Because after that you can write t{hello = "world"}

L700[15:55:47] <lperkins2> he's saying to add a pretty print function,

L701[15:56:50] <lperkins2> I like lua as a language, it's standard implementations' standard libraries are not quite what I'd like them to be.

L702[15:58:17] <Temia> Yeah, lua's stdlib is an indication that it was not really meant as an independent scripting language.

L703[15:58:47] <Wobbo> Thats why you can easily change the libraries :D

L704[15:58:58] <lperkins2> for some definitions of easily...

L705[15:59:12] <Wobbo> Well, you have to rewrite it of course

L706[15:59:22] <lperkins2> makes writing portable lua slightly better than writing portable scheme

L707[15:59:26] <Temia> Yes. Custom implementations are a big thing for it

L708[16:01:07] <lperkins2> (but only because at least (almost?) everyone has the same core interpreter)

L709[16:02:07] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Thats why I wrote everything in brainfuck, your always sure it will run

L710[16:02:09] <vifino> lperkins2: R5RS, eh?

L711[16:02:54] <lperkins2> heh, I've got some r5rs stuff that doesn't work the same in guile as it does in racket,

L712[16:03:12] <lperkins2> to be fair, I've not verified that it's 100% pure r5rs, but it's advertised as such

L713[16:04:01] <lperkins2> that's why so many of the 'r5rs compatible' libraries include an implementation-specific initialization file

L714[16:04:30] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Common Lisp actually solved that problem

L715[16:04:45] <lperkins2> heh, hardly, that was it's goal

L716[16:04:59] <lperkins2> but its means of doing so was to restrict to the union of the standard implementations

L717[16:04:59] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, what servers do you have that are sufficiently interesting for them to be worth impersonating you

L718[16:05:15] <lperkins2> which means that there's fairly little you can actually do with it

L719[16:05:56] <Wobbo> lperkins2: You have the features list, which is a pretty nice mechanism to deal with different implementations

L720[16:06:34] <lperkins2> Aye, as far as such things aare possible.

L721[16:07:21] <lperkins2> The lack of decent, working, standard libraries is why I ended up writing my own scheme interpreter, which is fully interoperable with standard python librariess

L722[16:07:34] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: PM

L723[16:07:43] <lperkins2> (and supports full call/cc and syntax extensions)

L724[16:08:23] <lperkins2> It's great for things like HTML templating, using s-expressionss

L725[16:08:33] <lperkins2> or for parsing xml

L726[16:08:33] <Wobbo> lperkins2: but scheme isn't clisp :P

L727[16:08:51] <lperkins2> no, it isn't, it's a separate lisp

L728[16:09:36] <lperkins2> because clisp doesn't have much of anything to recommend it over scheme (other than portability)

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L730[16:10:21] <lperkins2> which is a non issue, since anything written with schemepy is likely to be non-portable due to use of the python stdlib

L731[16:11:19] <Wobbo> so schemepy is like hy but more schemey?

L732[16:11:55] <lperkins2> essentially, I've actually not heard of hy before (looking now)

L733[16:12:40] <lperkins2> I don't translate the code to python (well I do now, if the JIT is enabled), since doing so would tie you to the python stack, which makes TCO and call/cc difficult to implement

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L735[16:13:46] <Temia> Lua seems interesting, but I'm not sure how well the LVM would work under multiple concurrent threads.

L736[16:14:29] <lperkins2> Also, I implemented it with no reserved keywords,

L737[16:14:36] <lperkins2> so you can do things like

L738[16:14:39] <lperkins2> (define + -)

L739[16:14:52] <lperkins2> and even (define 5 6)

L740[16:15:16] <lperkins2> which can be useful for parsing XML files,

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L742[16:16:34] <Wobbo> lperkins2: I've been doing some work on a Lisp myself, it should target Lua, but it doesn't really work.

L743[16:16:54] <lperkins2> heh, I'm working on getting schemepy to run on top of python.lua

L744[16:17:07] <Wobbo> but it doesn't have macros, so its pretty useless :P

L745[16:17:13] <lperkins2> I figure when it's working, I'll have the kinks worked out of python.lua

L746[16:17:37] <lperkins2> yeah, adding macro support was actually harder than adding call/cc or the JIT

L747[16:17:49] <lperkins2> well, non-hygenic macros were easy...

L748[16:18:04] <Wobbo> wait, so you want to run a vm for scheme in a vm for python in a vm for Lua? Sounds like you are trying to do something wrong…

L749[16:18:23] <lperkins2> mostly to see if I can

L750[16:18:37] <lperkins2> python.lua's performance already precludes serious use of it probably...

L751[16:18:39] <sugoi> to a hobbyist programmer, there is no wrong way :)

L752[16:18:58] <Wobbo> lperkins2: The problem is is that it target Lua, so macros need to be handeld specially

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L754[16:19:19] <lperkins2> 'though I'll likely see if I can optimize it later (I've got a bunch of a=STACK:pop() STACK:push(a) stuff)

L755[16:19:28] <lperkins2> doesn't lua have a binary representation form?

L756[16:19:44] <lperkins2> have it output that, after doing syntax expansion

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L758[16:20:37] <lperkins2> besides, with full JIT optimizations enabled, the scheme interpreter runs roughly at native python speed

L759[16:20:44] <lperkins2> (some things faster, some slower)

L760[16:21:00] <lperkins2> (define (double x) (* x 2))

L761[16:21:21] <lperkins2> returns exactly the same thing as double = lambda x:x*2

L762[16:21:56] <lperkins2> chained comparisons include 2 extra opcodes

L763[16:22:31] <Wobbo> Nah, I prefer to target the text so it can run in OC

L764[16:22:35] <lperkins2> nested functions can get flattened into a single function, which lets the scheme interpreter actually run faster than native equivalent code

L765[16:22:45] <lperkins2> true..

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L767[16:23:02] <lperkins2> that just means you need to write a lua-bin interpreter in lua...

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L769[16:23:24] <lperkins2> or in scheme and run it on top of python on top of lua...

L770[16:23:30] <Wobbo> You are making stuff to hard now

L771[16:23:54] <lperkins2> so why do you need to handle macros specially?

L772[16:24:24] <lperkins2> macros can be expanded during syntax parsing,

L773[16:24:25] <Wobbo> Because local vars can't hold macros and stuff like that

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L775[16:25:06] <Wobbo> Yeah, that works, I knwo when to do it, just no clean way to do it though. beside saying you can't let a macro

L776[16:25:15] <lperkins2> true, usually there's a table of macros

L777[16:25:28] <lperkins2> wait, does CL let you define macros outside the global scope?

L778[16:25:48] <Wobbo> macrolet

L779[16:25:59] <lperkins2> eh, make the macros first class objects

L780[16:26:33] <lperkins2> make your interpreter loop check if the head object is a macro, and if so, call it with the syntax as arguments

L781[16:26:37] <Wobbo> The problem is that you can't access local variables from outside

L782[16:26:45] <Wobbo> and its not an interpreter, but a compiler

L783[16:26:55] <lperkins2> ah, that's slightly trickier

L784[16:27:08] <lperkins2> that's why I went the interpreter+JIT route

L785[16:28:14] <Lizzy> Kodos, that TARDIS mod kinda needs like 3 or 4 people to help level it up

L786[16:28:28] <Kodos> Lizzy, lower the speed

L787[16:28:33] <Lizzy> Kodos, i know

L788[16:28:46] <Kodos> Unless you're bad at seeing the things light up, I don't know how you think you need 3 people

L789[16:28:46] <Lizzy> but still, with 4 people it'd be fun and fast

L790[16:28:51] <Kodos> Yeh, true

L791[16:28:53] <Kodos> Also

L792[16:28:58] <Kodos> Once you hit level 7, you get the stabilizers anyway

L793[16:29:04] <Kodos> And if you just wanna mess around, you can add XP via command

L794[16:29:52] <Lizzy> also the TARDIS mod is definatly going on my server

L795[16:30:38] <Lizzy> wtd

L796[16:30:46] <Lizzy> my tardis landed in the water...

L797[16:30:54] <lperkins2> heh, woops

L798[16:31:07] <lperkins2> was reversing the order of arguments...

L799[16:31:12] <Kodos> There's a thing you can get and turn on, to make sure you're landing on the ground

L800[16:31:14] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Anyway, if you want to check it out, its here: https://github.com/rmellema/Neil

L801[16:31:19] <Kodos> And check the safety of exiting your TARDIS before you do

L802[16:31:24] <Lizzy> Kodos, i think i have that on

L803[16:31:40] <Lizzy> ya, got land on ground on

L804[16:31:43] <Kodos> Also don't forget to go level up your TARDIS on the engine

L805[16:31:43] <lperkins2> Is the compiler itself written in lua?

L806[16:32:03] <lperkins2> will the whole thing work self-contained in OC?

L807[16:32:13] <Wobbo> lperkins2: It should

L808[16:32:19] <Lizzy> Kodos, i is at level 4, currently have like, 2 energy regen and 2 energy storage points

L809[16:32:21] <lperkins2> sweet

L810[16:32:29] <Lizzy> or maybe 2 regen and 1 storage

L811[16:32:33] <Wobbo> But I haven't tested it outside lua 5.2 yet

L812[16:32:45] <Wobbo> But since OC is lua 5.2 by default it should work

L813[16:32:59] <lperkins2> Oh, I also have a lua->scheme transpiler someplace, someone else wrote it, and it's for 5.1, but I hacked it over to run on OC

L814[16:33:04] <gamax92> how do you get lpeg in oc?

L815[16:33:25] <lperkins2> if you want to look at how it handles stuff, I can probably drum it up

L816[16:33:48] <gamax92> are you going to use Neil with LuLPeg?

L817[16:33:51] <Wobbo> gamax92: There is a Lua implementation of lpeg

L818[16:34:08] <Wobbo> But I might rewrite the parser.

L819[16:34:09] <gamax92> the level of slowness is probably huge :P

L820[16:34:23] <Wobbo> Writing a Lisp compiler by hand isn't hard

L821[16:34:41] <lperkins2> other than macros

L822[16:34:49] <Lizzy> also Kodos, if i enable the stabilisers, will it still get me xp in drifting flight mode?

L823[16:34:50] <Lilly_Satou> still not too hard

L824[16:34:53] <Wobbo> I meant parser, Lisp parser

L825[16:34:59] <Lilly_Satou> macros are just lisp code that generates lisp code

L826[16:35:07] <lperkins2> right, the parser is about 60 chars of regex...

L827[16:35:12] <Temia> Hrm.

L828[16:35:16] <Temia> Hrrrm.

L829[16:35:26] <Wobbo> Lilly_Satou: The problem is that you need to deal with Lua's local for lets.

L830[16:35:31] <lperkins2> that's what's so neat, lisp is a regular language

L831[16:35:33] <Lilly_Satou> oh

L832[16:35:34] <Lilly_Satou> lua

L833[16:35:34] <Lilly_Satou> lel

L834[16:36:02] <Lilly_Satou> then its prob a bit more difficult heh

L835[16:36:18] <Temia> I'm trying to figure out if it's possible (without hackery) to pass an object between multiple lua instances at different times, such as when scheduling.

L836[16:36:26] <lperkins2> and why I'm only writing a python vm, not a python language implementation, because I don't want to try to parse a non-regular languge

L837[16:36:45] <gamax92> Temia: multiple lua states?

L838[16:36:45] <lperkins2> serialize it?

L839[16:36:55] <Wobbo> lperkins2: You can just use a had written parser as well. Also probably makes it easier to implement reader macros

L840[16:37:09] <Temia> I'm trying to make this performance-oriented and taking advantage of multiple threads.

L841[16:37:23] <Temia> Serialising it totally destroys the performance and makes it a pain to work with in native code afterwards >.>

L842[16:37:27] <Kodos> Lizzy, I don't think so, but it removes your exterior from the world, so you can 'hide' from things

L843[16:37:28] <gamax92> Temia: so do you have multiple lua states ...

L844[16:37:32] <Temia> Yes.

L845[16:37:52] <Wobbo> Temia: Can't you serialize it to a binary format?

L846[16:37:56] <gamax92> hmm, I should still have that xmove code that's designed specifically to work with multiple states

L847[16:38:04] <lperkins2> or serialize the java object holding it?

L848[16:38:13] <Temia> I'm working with D, not Java.

L849[16:38:16] <Kodos> Also, Lizzy, we need to coordinate our skins and figure out who's going to be which who =)

L850[16:38:23] <lperkins2> Ah, I just assumed OC

L851[16:38:37] <Temia> No biggie. I didn't exactly specify.

L852[16:38:50] <Lizzy> technically i'm already a Time Lady so i can just be myself :P

L853[16:38:50] <lperkins2> serialize the D object holding it?

L854[16:39:27] <Temia> I'm still concerned that'd destroy any performance benefits from opening multiple threads to schedule operations between them.

L855[16:39:27] <Wobbo> Why is Buffy so inconsistent! D:

L856[16:39:46] <Wobbo> Temia: I don't think there is any other way

L857[16:39:52] <Temia> Uuugh.

L858[16:39:52] <lperkins2> depends on how long the serialization takes and how often you have to pass it from one thread to another

L859[16:39:56] <Temia> Maybe I'll look at Angelscript instead.

L860[16:40:01] <lperkins2> is there a generic copy method?

L861[16:40:25] <Temia> Which thread it goes to is determined purely by which thread is open for a new operation.

L862[16:40:51] <Temia> Otherwise, once per 1/60s, though multiple objects are going to be doing this

L863[16:41:12] <Temia> Target: Speed sufficient to operate on a multicore ARMv7

L864[16:41:50] <Wobbo> Temia: If you want easy threading you'll have to use Erlang :P

L865[16:43:14] <Lizzy> i wonder if there's protections in place to stop you from landing one tardis in another

L866[16:44:05] <Kodos> That... is a good question

L867[16:44:26] <Temia> You know what, if it's a lua-to-native interface and the object pointer is simply passed, it should probably be fine. The fact that it's operating on a scheduler means that none of the threads will have simultaneous access to one object.

L868[16:46:13] <Lizzy> Kodos, we should test that some time

L869[16:46:35] <lperkins2> ah, didn't catch that no threads will run at the same time

L870[16:46:41] <Kodos> If you can get you know who to add it to her server, we could test there

L871[16:46:46] <Temia> They'll run at the same time, just not with the same objects.

L872[16:46:49] <Temia> Otherwise what's the point.

L873[16:46:58] <Mimiru> I *just* got home..

L874[16:47:01] <lperkins2> but if no threads run at the same time...

L875[16:47:02] <lperkins2> right

L876[16:47:11] <lperkins2> that's what I was about to say

L877[16:47:24] <lperkins2> (the answer is easy concurrency, ala python)

L878[16:47:54] <Temia> I'm skipping Python for internal scripting specifically because of the GIL

L879[16:48:02] <Lizzy> Kodos, indeed

L880[16:48:22] <lperkins2> GIL's been removed in the experimental branch of pypy

L881[16:48:37] <lperkins2> uses transactional memory instead

L882[16:48:46] <Temia> Sounds great, especially since I'm working with external bindings, but eh.

L883[16:48:51] <Temia> Already trying out D for the hell of it

L884[16:48:58] <lperkins2> it's not ready for prime time yet

L885[16:49:23] <Mimiru> There isn't even a server ATM, I've gotta finish cleaning up the pack, archive the existing stuff..

L886[16:49:31] <lperkins2> depending on what you're doing, it's 20-50% slower per-thread than the GIL version, so unless you can go massively concurrent...

L887[16:50:08] <lperkins2> I tend to do a lot with multiprocessing

L888[16:52:02] <Temia> Hmm.

L889[16:52:16] <Temia> With Python I mostly stuck to threads for event-driven systems and file I/O

L890[16:53:01] <lperkins2> sweet varargs now work

L891[16:53:06] <Lizzy> ... wtf, tardis said i needed 3k energy to go to the nether, now it's saying 5k

L892[16:53:22] <lperkins2> now to implement **kw

L893[16:53:50] <lperkins2> ugh, so the deepest thing on the stack is the function,

L894[16:53:56] <lperkins2> then the positional arg

L895[16:53:58] <lperkins2> s

L896[16:54:03] <lperkins2> then the keyword args

L897[16:54:42] <lperkins2> to get the number of positional args the function wants, or if the kw args should be stored in some **kw dict,

L898[16:54:51] <lperkins2> you have to dig down to the function,

L899[16:55:00] <lperkins2> which means moving the arguments to temporary storage

L900[16:55:18] <Kodos> Lizzy, it's a percentage of your max energy afaict

L901[16:55:21] <lperkins2> would be nicer if the function came in on top of the stack

L902[16:55:30] <Kodos> If you upgraded your max energy, it goes up

L903[16:55:41] <Lizzy> my max energy is 3k....

L904[16:55:47] <Kodos> Oh

L905[16:55:48] <Kodos> Weird

L906[16:55:53] <Kodos> What dim are you in currently

L907[16:55:53] <Wobbo> lperkins2: You can't peek down the stack?

L908[16:55:55] <lperkins2> well, ya know, it's 1.3xmax energy

L909[16:56:14] <lperkins2> I can, I just don't want to...

L910[16:56:23] <Wobbo> Why not?

L911[16:56:26] <lperkins2> lua...

L912[16:56:26] <Lizzy> also aparrently i'm now in the nether, despite it's protests that it couldn't go there and me switching it back to dim 9

L913[16:56:29] <CompanionCube> Temia, looked at ruby

L914[16:56:29] <Lizzy> *0

L915[16:56:45] <Temia> A long time ago.

L916[16:56:46] <Lizzy> hmm

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L918[16:56:56] <Temia> My boyfriend's more experienced with it than I am.

L919[16:57:01] <Lizzy> did i accedentially make it try to go to the end,,,,

L920[16:57:05] <Timmy94W> hi

L921[16:57:12] <CompanionCube> why not use it for internal scripting

L922[16:57:47] <Temia> It'd be a tough sell. My old memories of Ruby aren't exactly fond.

L923[16:57:50] <Lizzy> ah, Kodos trying to go to the end will require 5k

L924[16:58:13] <lperkins2> heh, ruby is about the only language on my list of 'actively don't want to learn'

L925[16:58:29] <sugoi> lperkins2: js for me

L926[16:58:36] <Timmy94W> i dont understand this http://puu.sh/kwiV0/909cb2b106.png can someone explain it to me please

L927[16:58:41] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: How well does Ruby do in a multithreaded environment?

L928[16:58:59] <lperkins2> js isn't so bad if you restrict the dialect sufficiently

L929[16:59:04] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, dunno

L930[16:59:11] <gamax92> Timmy94W: what is your end goal?

L931[16:59:21] <CompanionCube> but Rubinius says this:

L932[16:59:23] <lperkins2> I learned js within the divmod framework, which does a lot in the background to make it behave like python

L933[16:59:27] <Wobbo> lperkins2, sugoi : No more hate for PHP here?

L934[16:59:31] <CompanionCube> 'An implementation of Ruby designed for concurrency using native threads to run Ruby code on all the CPU cores. '

L935[16:59:41] <gamax92> because yes, your infinite while loop will cause it to "too long without yeilding"

L936[16:59:46] <lperkins2> eh, I already learned php, kinda too late to avoid it :-P

L937[16:59:54] <Timmy94W> gamax92: i want to trigger the Iris to close

L938[17:00:16] <Temia> Trick is I also need to restrict myself to what would be readily available on a modern 'nix system.

L939[17:00:21] <lperkins2> besides, as a language, it's slightly less irregular than perl

L940[17:00:21] <Temia> Portability and such.

L941[17:00:27] <Lizzy> dammit i lost the spawn

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L943[17:00:36] <Temia> I am not going the /opt route.

L944[17:01:03] <CompanionCube> define 'nix. Are we talking OSX, or one of the Linux distros

L945[17:01:06] <Temia> That route is the manifestation of distrust and incompetence.

L946[17:01:42] <Wobbo> CC: POSIX standard

L947[17:01:43] <lperkins2> um, you could ship a tiny lisp, or even a tiny c compiler for internal scripting...

L948[17:01:54] <Temia> Any modern desktop Linux or BSD distribution. OpenDarwin would technically count, I suppose, but OSX has its own userland packaging system on top of Darwin

L949[17:02:18] <Lizzy> aha, found spawn

L950[17:02:18] <Wobbo> Temia: what are you trying to do?

L951[17:02:22] <CompanionCube> have you looked at perl

L952[17:02:32] <CompanionCube> it's one of the lowest-common-denominators for nix iirc

L953[17:02:35] <lperkins2> ick, only if I'm getting paid, a lot...

L954[17:02:42] <Temia> Make it so I don't have to hardcode enemy behaviour in my shmup and still be able to run it on something as lightweight as an RPi :T

L955[17:02:52] <lperkins2> perl and python and *sh are everywhere

L956[17:03:18] <DeanIsaKitty> Temia: This might have been said before, but what about a Lisp?

L957[17:03:32] <Temia> It hasn't been, and not really my style.

L958[17:03:32] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, <Temia> Trick is I also need to restrict myself to what would be readily available on a modern 'nix system.

L959[17:03:48] <CompanionCube> since when is a lisp readily available on a *nix

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L961[17:03:54] <lperkins2> depending on how much of a lisp you need, you can get it in like 200 lines of C

L962[17:03:56] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: Python is not shipped with ther kernel either, is it?

L963[17:04:08] <CompanionCube> I didn't mention python

L964[17:04:10] <Wobbo> CC: Nor is *sh

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L966[17:04:21] <lperkins2> busybox isn't in the kernel?

L967[17:04:32] <lperkins2> or rather in the initramfss

L968[17:04:34] <Temia> If I wanted to run a shmup in kernelspace, I'd use fukken Allegro 4 and DR-DOS.

L969[17:05:00] <CompanionCube> Wobbo, actually pretty sure every unix system ever has *some* shell

L970[17:05:06] <Temia> What's available to package distribution systems is what counts.

L971[17:05:24] <CompanionCube> problem: that varies wildly

L972[17:05:30] <CompanionCube> some have old-as-shit packages

L973[17:05:32] <Wobbo> Temia: If you want shit in brew, I can have a look at Formulas and shit

L974[17:05:35] <CompanionCube> others have bleeding-edge ones

L975[17:05:53] <lperkins2> and *some* lisp is always readily available in *nix, since lots of things implement a lisp internaally

L976[17:06:02] <DeanIsaKitty> Temia: https://github.com/sbp/hedgehog When it comes to small, this is pretty good.

L977[17:06:06] <Temia> I'll just experiment with the suggestions I've been given for now.

L978[17:06:41] <CompanionCube> if we're being pedantic, only use what's mandated by SUSv4

L979[17:06:55] <CompanionCube> that defines a true UNIX according to some peoples

L980[17:07:51] <Wobbo> Temia: So if you want it to work on OS X, I could make it work, even using things that are not in the default installation

L981[17:08:40] <lperkins2> Um, roll your own DSL?

L982[17:09:07] <Temia> My concern is not OSX userland or Windows. Those are nonissues.

L983[17:09:14] <CompanionCube> DSLs can be hard yo

L984[17:09:19] <Temia> Packaging all the bits with the game is par for the course there.

L985[17:09:23] <lperkins2> DSLs are easy

L986[17:09:28] <Temia> But /opt on Linux is a blight and I will not fall to it.

L987[17:09:42] <lperkins2> just about any syntax can be converted to lisp

L988[17:09:55] <lperkins2> and fed to a lisp interpreter for the heavy lifting

L989[17:09:55] <CompanionCube> Temia, define /opt

L990[17:10:01] <DeanIsaKitty> Thats because LISP is an AST in disguise.

L991[17:10:09] <CompanionCube> almost anything is available via package manager depending on distro

L992[17:10:09] <gamax92> #p

L993[17:10:09] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0.281381172 Seconds passed.

L994[17:10:14] <Wobbo> DeanIsaKitty: Its not even a disguise :P

L995[17:10:16] <Temia> The place where non-conformant applications go to DIE

L996[17:10:40] <lperkins2> exactly, it lets you execute your AST

L997[17:10:59] <CompanionCube> the only shit in my /opt are a router toolchain and the firmware mod kit

L998[17:11:05] <CompanionCube> no apps there

L999[17:11:17] <Temia> Either way.

L1000[17:11:31] <Temia> I see /opt as unncessary for a project as this.

L1001[17:11:32] <DeanIsaKitty> $ ls /opt $ livestreamer-twitch-gui maven qtemu SteamApps teamviewer vagrant

L1002[17:11:35] <DeanIsaKitty> hm....

L1003[17:11:36] <lperkins2> and opens the door to any GCC supported languages via gccxml

L1004[17:11:55] <Temia> It shouldn't need such specific binary blobs that it has to be given its own little sandbox.

L1005[17:12:10] <Temia> It should be able to play just fine with the system and trust its environment.

L1006[17:12:25] <lperkins2> often /opt is how lazy packagers deal with library-version issues

L1007[17:12:26] <CompanionCube> why not just use steam

L1008[17:12:33] <CompanionCube> it has a runtime

L1009[17:12:36] <CompanionCube> for games

L1010[17:12:39] <DeanIsaKitty> Steam is expensive

L1011[17:12:44] <Temia> Because this is a freeware OSS project for the hell of it.

L1012[17:12:49] <CompanionCube> hm

L1013[17:13:18] <Temia> Even if I looked at Steam as a distribution platform for more professional works

L1014[17:13:27] <Temia> "Steam" would simply be a build target among many.

L1015[17:13:30] <CompanionCube> I see generic portability between all Linuxes and BSDs as a non-trivial problem

L1016[17:13:39] <CompanionCube> because of the variety

L1017[17:13:47] <Temia> Because I'd still release the engine itself to the public. Often with a little shareware game package.

L1018[17:13:48] <lperkins2> for what it's worth, lisp (scheme or CL) is still pretty much the defacto choice for AI programming,

L1019[17:14:02] <DeanIsaKitty> lperkins2: Go talk to Wobbo :P

L1020[17:14:05] <lperkins2> um, you can bet that they all have gcc supporting c89

L1021[17:14:11] <Wobbo> Thats why you should keep to the POSIX standard for most things, and use cross platform libraries for the rest

L1022[17:14:35] <Wobbo> lperkins2: It really depends. Prolog is big as well. And python and Java.

L1023[17:14:50] <Temia> Yes. I am largely relying on Phobos and Allegro for most day-to-day things, and they are both multiplatform, but I still require a scripting system which those two lack.

L1024[17:14:52] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Lisp is really not that big anymore in AI.

L1025[17:15:03] <CompanionCube> Temia, lua?

L1026[17:15:04] <lperkins2> true, because so few people bother to learn it

L1027[17:15:10] <Temia> And the conversation loops back around

L1028[17:15:16] <Temia> My eye is twitching.

L1029[17:15:25] <Temia> No shit it is twitching and I can feel it and it is annoying

L1030[17:15:27] <Wobbo> lperkins2: The only major AI thing I know that is written in Lisp is ACT-R. And that has an entirely different syntax basically

L1031[17:15:37] <lperkins2> SHRDLU

L1032[17:15:53] <Wobbo> lperkins2: Modern major AI thing.

L1033[17:15:59] <CompanionCube> I see 3 major options: Perl, Python, or an embedded scripting language (e.g Lua)

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L1035[17:17:10] <Temia> Yeah, I'll probably look at lua.

L1036[17:17:21] <Wobbo> lperkins2: They don't even teach us Lisp, only C, Java, Python, R, Matlab. And ACT-R, but as I said, doesn't look like Lisp even though it is lisp

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L1038[17:17:50] <lperkins2> aye, and you have other non-standard-lisp-syntax lisps, like ANT,

L1039[17:18:01] <Temia> I might mess around with Hedgehog simply because it looks interesting from the perspective of an embedded-focused computer engineer

L1040[17:18:13] <DeanIsaKitty> Temia: For a totally different approach: Use Python in the Development environment and when you want to ship compile that Python down using Cython? Might be worth shot

L1041[17:18:21] <Temia> GIL.

L1042[17:18:31] <CompanionCube> oh, and if you make your shit Debian/Ubuntu specific I will throw a sledgehammer in your direction

L1043[17:18:49] <lperkins2> um, why not use an external program?

L1044[17:18:52] <Temia> My main problem is performance and multiple concurrent threads fed objects by a scheduler.

L1045[17:19:01] <Temia> Cube

L1046[17:19:03] <Temia> If I did that

L1047[17:19:03] <lperkins2> can fire up several python vms in child processes, avoids the GIL

L1048[17:19:08] <Temia> I would throw a sledgehammer in MY OWN direction.

L1049[17:19:12] <DeanIsaKitty> I have no real idea how the code that Cython emits looks like but is the GIL still a problem on the C site?

L1050[17:19:23] <Wobbo> Anyway, I'm going

L1051[17:19:29] <Temia> Dean, no, but the thing is

L1052[17:19:29] <DeanIsaKitty> o/ Wobbo

L1053[17:19:35] <Wobbo> Bye! \o

L1054[17:19:37] <Temia> The C (or rather D) side is largely in one thread.

L1055[17:19:40] <sugoi> so the event.listen question, you want to use event.pull - hopeimnotlate.png

L1056[17:19:57] <Temia> The scripting is done in multiple concurrent threads as enemy and bullet scripting is parsed

L1057[17:19:59] <Wobbo> sugoi: or remove the while loop

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L1059[17:20:13] <sugoi> or remove the while loop :)

L1060[17:20:31] <sugoi> depends if they plan to write more after that line

L1061[17:20:38] <sugoi> most people don't write scripts as services (i assume)

L1062[17:21:10] <Temia> Hence why my original question was how well multiple lua states play along when an object with its own possible values is passed between them at different times.

L1063[17:21:24] <lperkins2> try it and see...

L1064[17:21:32] <Temia> Yeah, that seems to be what I'll have to do.

L1065[17:22:56] <DeanIsaKitty> Temia: The language that springs into my mind for that specific purpose is Lisp on the one hand and Squirrel on the other http://www.squirrel-lang.org/

L1066[17:23:57] <DeanIsaKitty> Both do this interpreted/compiled dance quite well. But one has just a few years more experience :P

L1067[17:23:58] <CompanionCube> Squirrel is a good example

L1068[17:24:03] <CompanionCube> OpenTTD uses it for AI scripting

L1069[17:24:29] <vifino> ew

L1070[17:25:25] <lperkins2> ugh, why is there no 'in' operator...

L1071[17:25:52] <lperkins2> I'm honestly surprised lua is as fast as it is, given how few operations run in native code

L1072[17:26:06] <DeanIsaKitty> lperkins2: as in "for .. in .."? there's pairs and ipairs

L1073[17:26:13] <lperkins2> No...

L1074[17:26:20] <lperkins2> as in 'if a in b'

L1075[17:26:24] <DeanIsaKitty> Ah

L1076[17:26:47] <lperkins2> you have to iterate the list, checking identity

L1077[17:27:15] <lperkins2> something that most languages provide a function to do in native code

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L1079[17:34:57] <lperkins2> Also, why is there no native way to get the length of the hashmap portion of a table...

L1080[17:37:58] <ds84182> lperkins2: Because they felt the user could implement it on their own :P

L1081[17:38:10] <ds84182> It doesn't really have much use

L1082[17:38:47] <lperkins2> it's something I use regularly, normally

L1083[17:39:02] <lperkins2> since it opens the door to things like while len(d) > 0 do...

L1084[17:39:22] <ds84182> For the >hashmap< portion?

L1085[17:39:34] <lperkins2> of course, that doesn't work well in lua, since len has to count the entries

L1086[17:40:06] <lperkins2> aye, at least in python or java, when I'm doing something destructive to the hashmap

L1087[17:40:40] <lperkins2> both of those track the number of keys in the hashmap, so looking up the length is an O(1) operation

L1088[17:40:46] <ds84182> The point of HashMap is to NOT iterate through it like a list all the time :/

L1089[17:41:10] <ds84182> If you wanted to go through a hashmap and remove all entries like a queue, you're using the wrong collection

L1090[17:41:14] <lperkins2> It's to be able to have ~O(c) lookup time for any element

L1091[17:41:30] <lperkins2> no, not like a queue, since a queue implies order

L1092[17:41:45] <lperkins2> if the order is extrinsic to the hashmap, then a hashmap is the proper data structure

L1093[17:41:53] <lperkins2> so

L1094[17:42:40] <lperkins2> while len(somehash)>0:

L1095[17:42:40] <lperkins2> k = calculateKeyToRemoveNext()

L1096[17:42:40] <lperkins2> doSomethingWithKey(k)

L1097[17:42:41] <lperkins2> somehash.pop(k)

L1098[17:43:14] <ds84182> Well, with Lua tables, there is no way in hell you can ensure order

L1099[17:43:26] <ds84182> And it's possibly the same in Java and Python

L1100[17:43:30] <lperkins2> it is

L1101[17:43:47] <lperkins2> python has an OrderedDict which is slow, but preserves order

L1102[17:43:53] <ds84182> Lua tables, by key and values, are not ordered

L1103[17:43:55] <lperkins2> (basically just a pair of lists)

L1104[17:44:32] <ds84182> When you spawn a new lua state, it bases string hashes off of a randomly generated number in order to make sure someone cannot craft a string exploit that works in every part of Lua

L1105[17:45:35] <lperkins2> As for not iterating over the hashmap regularly, python has fast dictionary iteration support, where it hands you key/value pairs quickly, they'll be unordered, but there's no significant performance implication for using it.

L1106[17:46:21] <lperkins2> (because python doesn't use a linked-list hashmap implementation)

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L1108[17:50:05] <ds84182> lperkins2: Well, probably the reason why Lua doesn't have explicit fast and slow paths is because the path that is available is the only sensible path

L1109[17:50:39] <lperkins2> I'm not sure I agree with that...

L1110[17:51:05] <lperkins2> If for extra information I want to print the number of entries in a lua hashmap, I have to first count them...

L1111[17:51:17] <lperkins2> or track the insertions and deletions explicitly

L1112[17:52:02] <lperkins2> the first option is slow, the second is verbose, and introduces additional chances for bugs

L1113[17:52:08] <ds84182> Well, in Java you would also have to "count them" so to speak, since you would do a call to keySet which would >create< a keySet with the keys from the hashmap in it

L1114[17:52:31] <lperkins2> with the default hashmap, true,

L1115[17:53:01] <lperkins2> (though you could subclass it and explicitly count additions and deletions)

L1116[17:53:03] <ds84182> Plus in Lua, counting is as easy as doing your for in, since for in is already optimized to use native code for the logic

L1117[17:53:20] <lperkins2> ah, that's what I was missing...

L1118[17:53:30] <ds84182> lperkins2: And technically you could do the same with Lua and it's metatables

L1119[17:53:34] <lperkins2> that does make it much less of a bad idea

L1120[17:53:40] <ds84182> However, metatables murder your speed

L1121[17:54:11] <lperkins2> yes, but with java, and private variables/methods, you don't have to worry much about something stealth-adding or removing a key

L1122[17:54:41] <ds84182> The thing is, with Java, HashMaps aren't the core for storage of structured data, Classes are

L1123[17:54:59] <lperkins2> right

L1124[17:55:22] <ds84182> So you simply cant "extend a table" without sacrificing a lot of speed

L1125[17:55:52] <ds84182> It's like extending a struct into a C++ class that tracks field sets

L1126[17:56:33] <ds84182> All those really fast mov instructions get turned into expensive call instructions, especially if you have virtual methods

L1127[17:56:41] <lperkins2> can I modify a table while iterating over it without losing my place in the iteration?

L1128[17:57:02] <ds84182> lperkins2: pairs should be able to do that for you

L1129[17:57:10] <lperkins2> okay, good

L1130[17:57:20] <lperkins2> that reduces the strain of no copy method somewhat

L1131[17:57:30] <ds84182> pairs just uses next as the underlying implementation

L1132[17:57:42] <ds84182> and next has all those facilities built in

L1133[17:57:48] <ds84182> In fact, next is pretty OP

L1134[17:58:11] <ds84182> #lua local t = {a=1,b=2,c=3} return next(t), next(t,"a")

L1135[17:58:11] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > c

L1136[17:58:18] <ds84182> ... |0xDEADBEEF| pls

L1137[17:58:21] <ds84182> #lua local t = {a=1,b=2,c=3} return next(t)

L1138[17:58:21] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > c | 3

L1139[17:58:25] <ds84182> Oh

L1140[17:58:28] <ds84182> #lua local t = {a=1,b=2,c=3} return next(t), next(t,"c")

L1141[17:58:28] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > c | b | 2

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L1145[18:07:47] <lperkins2> it works...

L1146[18:07:55] <lperkins2> **kw args are now supported

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L1149[18:16:36] <Emblem> @lua print(2+2)

L1150[18:16:44] <Emblem> #lua print(2+2)

L1151[18:16:48] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 4 | nil

L1152[18:22:18] <Emblem> #lua local a=0 for i=1,16 do a=a+t end print(a)

L1153[18:22:19] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value (global 't')

L1154[18:22:28] <Emblem> oops

L1155[18:22:33] <Emblem> #lua local a=0 for i=1,16 do a=a+i end print(a)

L1156[18:22:33] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 136 | nil

L1157[18:22:42] <Emblem> neat

L1158[18:23:17] <Emblem> #lua print(136/8)

L1159[18:23:17] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 17.0 | nil

L1160[18:23:28] <Emblem> Which is 16+1

L1161[18:23:30] <Emblem> \o/

L1162[18:24:08] <lperkins2> yeah...

L1163[18:26:20] <lperkins2> Σi=1:n = n*(n+1) / 2,

L1164[18:26:36] <lperkins2> so dividing by 0.5n will give you n+1

L1165[18:28:09] <Emblem> noice

L1166[18:28:22] <Emblem> #lua print(1/0)

L1167[18:28:22] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > inf | nil

L1168[18:29:49] <vifino> faaaak.

L1169[18:30:20] <Emblem> #lua local T=0 for i=1,15 do for j=i+1,16 do T=T+1 end end print(T)

L1170[18:30:20] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 120 | nil

L1171[18:30:27] <vifino> When you nyan'd for over 4400s and you accidentally ^C

L1172[18:30:29] <Emblem> print(120/3)

L1173[18:30:36] <Emblem> #lua print(120/3)

L1174[18:30:36] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 40.0 | nil

L1175[18:30:43] <Emblem> okay, that works

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L1177[18:32:14] <Emblem> wait oops

L1178[18:32:21] <Emblem> #lua print(136/3)

L1179[18:32:21] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 45.333333333333 | nil

L1180[18:32:27] <Emblem> crap, that's not as pretty

L1181[18:33:35] <lperkins2> ugh, I need to make this print a python traceback when it dies

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L1188[19:26:29] <vifino> "And we connect the $35,000 5u NAS to the $4000 10GB switch and we use the $800 PCIe enclosure to connect the $500 10GB ethernet card to the $379 eMachines laptop with the $39 250GB 5400rpm harddrive. After Windows 7 Starter Edition finishes loading we drag over the files we want to copy. Then the laptop bursts into flames."

L1189[19:30:08] <lperkins2> schemepy environments now load.

L1190[19:31:52] * Temia poses with her back to the camera and a hand over her face. Time now resumes.

L1191[19:34:56] <Lizzy> is Temia a weeping angel?

L1192[19:35:03] <Temia> No.

L1193[19:35:09] <Lizzy> good

L1194[19:35:13] * Lizzy blinks

L1195[19:35:14] * Temia puts in plastic fangs and gnaws on Lizzy's wings

L1196[19:35:20] <Temia> I am a vampire! Bleh! Bleh! Muda!

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L1199[19:35:37] <Lizzy> oww

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L1201[19:37:42] <Lizzy> also Temia, beware when drinking my blood, it's slightly toxic to others

L1202[19:38:10] <Temia> That's okay, I'm still a minotaur!

L1203[19:38:18] * Temia spits out fake fangs and curls up on

L1204[19:38:56] * Lizzy pets

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L1206[19:42:03] * Lizzy leans against vifino and dozes off to sleep

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L1209[19:50:42] <scj643> Anyone need me

L1210[19:51:08] <scj643> I'm forcing my Ubuntu to revert to official versions of sound utilities

L1211[19:53:43] <lperkins2> hm, I seem to have found a maximum code length for my unmarshaller

L1212[19:59:46] <scj643> No comment on me messing up the audio system on my Ubuntu install

L1213[20:00:43] <scj643> Also I'm switching to unity because mate sucks for multiple monitors

L1214[20:02:15] <Mimiru> lolunity

L1215[20:04:43] <Lizzy> ^

L1216[20:05:18] <Mimiru> ^^

L1217[20:05:22] * Lizzy falls asleep again

L1218[20:05:44] <scj643> Open box is too minimal mate is failing to work on two displays without shitting itself

L1219[20:06:03] <Lizzy> MATE works fine for me

L1220[20:06:40] <Mimiru> xfce ftfw

L1221[20:07:23] <Temia> xfce~

L1222[20:07:29] * Temia ^5 Mimiru

L1223[20:08:01] <Temia> I've been rocking multimonitor flawlessly on xfce4

L1224[20:08:16] * Mimiru reciprocates

L1225[20:09:48] <Temia> Though I admit xfce4's kind of light on utilities, so I supplement them with MATE's

L1226[20:12:05] * CompanionCube loves Enlightenment

L1227[20:12:35] * vifino drags Lizzy back to bed

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L1229[20:12:43] <vifino> Stay.

L1230[20:13:05] <CompanionCube> Much configuration, little RAM usage

L1231[20:14:06] <ds84182> I just want something that doesn't absolutely use more than 2% of cpu while idle

L1232[20:14:23] <ds84182> Anything more than 10% and this laptop starts heating up :X

L1233[20:14:47] <ds84182> Sitting at a constant-ish 57 deg Celcius

L1234[20:14:57] <Temia> hmm. lua lanes is MIT-licensed. That makes packaging easy... I could even just have it set up to grab and statically build into the executable.

L1235[20:14:58] <CompanionCube> I can't give accurate CPU-usage values

L1236[20:14:58] <ds84182> Celsius

L1237[20:15:00] <Temia> If needs be.

L1238[20:15:24] <CompanionCube> because I nice my apps but not the DE - so the values would be incorrect

L1239[20:15:35] <scj643> Mate isn't working with another monitor that is an HD TV

L1240[20:15:41] <ds84182> Actually, I lie, I'm running at 10% cpu right now

L1241[20:15:48] * ds84182 wonders whats running

L1242[20:15:50] <scj643> If I could just make it ignore my laptops display

L1243[20:16:03] <ds84182> .-. firefox

L1244[20:16:06] * scj643 thinks it's he botnet

L1245[20:16:49] <ds84182> Apparently my lowest CPU usage is 0%

L1246[20:17:11] <ds84182> I've also seen Max at 102% once

L1247[20:17:45] <CompanionCube> ds84182: mulltiple cores

L1248[20:18:00] <scj643> The desktop zooms in when I manually change my resolution using xrandr

L1249[20:18:25] <Mimiru> scj643, I have 3 monitors, one is a HDTV, xfce gave no fucks

L1250[20:18:41] <scj643> Using mate man

L1251[20:19:06] <ds84182> CompanionCube: Nah, this accounts for all cores

L1252[20:19:13] <ds84182> 100% is all 4 cores being used at the same time

L1253[20:19:22] <Mimiru> I'm aware, You were talking about switching to *shudders* unity... I'm just saying, there are better options than that piece of shit.

L1254[20:19:25] <scj643> Damn I only gave 2

L1255[20:19:42] * Temia hmms. Angelscript doesn't look too bad...?

L1256[20:19:47] <scj643> Not switching to unity to many dependencies

L1257[20:20:29] <Temia> Also more multithread-friendly...

L1258[20:22:11] <Mimiru> I need a decent way to VPN with a single IP on the end server..

L1259[20:22:30] <scj643> Softether VPN Mimiru

L1260[20:24:18] <Mimiru> Huh.. doesn't look terrible

L1261[20:24:23] <Mimiru> I'll look into it, thanks scj643

L1262[20:25:04] <scj643> I use it to tunnel into my home network

L1263[20:25:25] <scj643> Also they give a free subdomain if you need it

L1264[20:25:36] <scj643> Got mate working with my tv

L1265[20:25:54] <Mimiru> I just need a way to access the internet from my house via my server, including UDP, otherwise I'd just do ssh tunneling

L1266[20:26:37] <scj643> That should work not 100% on udp but some protocol that it uses must have it

L1267[20:26:57] <Mimiru> ssh tunnling works fine for everything *except* udp

L1268[20:27:03] <Mimiru> which I can't get working for the life of me.

L1269[20:27:15] <scj643> Apparently mates display settings just reads the xrandr modes

L1270[20:27:47] <scj643> I think this does do udp it also emulates a lot of different protocols like openvpn l2tp and such

L1271[20:28:53] <ds84182> #lua (100-36)/2

L1272[20:28:53] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 32.0

L1273[20:30:19] <CompanionCube> Tried tinc?

L1274[20:30:33] <CompanionCube> Can do both layer3 and layer2 vpn

L1275[20:31:10] <Mimiru> thanks cc I'll look into that too

L1276[20:31:16] <Mimiru> gotta run atm though

L1277[20:35:28] <ds84182> #lua (66-32)/2

L1278[20:35:28] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 17.0

L1279[20:35:34] <ds84182> #lua 32+17

L1280[20:35:35] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 49

L1281[20:44:52] <scj643> Ubuntu and I are just not getting along

L1282[20:45:19] <scj643> Mate and I aren't getting alon

L1283[20:45:23] <scj643> Along

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L1291[21:15:26] <S3> whee

L1292[21:15:31] <S3> so I got my circuit done

L1293[21:15:31] <S3> phew

L1294[21:15:51] <S3> in an ic workbench for project red

L1295[21:16:01] <S3> and now I have no idea how to get it out and into an ic printer lol

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L1303[21:28:44] <S3> eah I dunno. I wish I could find some documentation for this

L1304[21:30:07] <Kodos> Did oyu check the wiki

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L1310[21:39:03] <vifino> nyan cat in terminal too op

L1311[21:39:05] <vifino> 'You have nyaned for 11336 seconds!'

L1312[21:39:09] <vifino> time to sleep

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L1314[21:49:55] <S3> ok

L1315[21:50:08] <S3> 7 segment decoder in project red ic circuit

L1316[21:57:11] <scj643> S3 are you on the server?

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L1318[22:10:46] <S3> not now

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L1320[22:21:34] <dangranos> gah

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L1333[23:27:36] <gamax92> INFINALITY

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