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L121[05:35:01] <nxsupert> Lizzy?
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L123[05:36:03] <dangranos> yay
L124[05:36:08] <dangranos> it's
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L126[05:36:11] <nxsupert_> Testing
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L129[05:36:29] <dangranos> i think that
was not only on esper
L130[05:36:36] <dangranos> because i just
got back on quake..
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L141[05:39:26] <Lizzy> nxsupert_, whats
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L142[05:39:32] <Lizzy> apart from Esper
net splits
L143[05:39:43] <nxsupert_> Thats was what
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L145[05:43:25] <dangranos> i dont think
it's only esper
L146[05:43:47] <dangranos> maybe it's RL
netsplit?
L147[05:46:22] <Lizzy> wut?
L148[05:47:51] <Lizzy> dangranos, what are
you smoking?
L149[05:48:02] <dangranos> nothing
.-.
L150[05:48:35] <dangranos> hm, cant load
wiki
L151[05:48:50] <Syrren> netsplits in
internet infrastructure are certainly possible, albeit rare
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L154[06:09:54] <nxsupert_> I feel like
playing on a server.....
L155[06:17:00] <Izaya> random thing
occured to me today
L156[06:17:07] <nxsupert_> ?
L157[06:17:17] <Izaya> why the fuck am I
calling the Australian 'Liberal' party by the name they
choose?
L158[06:17:22] <Izaya> They're
conservatives >.<
L159[06:17:35] <nxsupert_> ??
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L173[08:42:10] <Tatjam> hey!
L174[08:51:01] <nxsupert_> o/
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L208[12:00:01] <S3> Morning
L209[12:00:13] <nxsupert_> Afternoon
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L215[12:03:31] <S3> So I took a C
programming class just for the GPA lift
L216[12:03:35] <S3> I already knew C
L217[12:03:48] <S3> got an A-, only
because I didnt do like two of the labs lol
L218[12:04:41] <nxsupert_> i need to
figure out how to do memory managment.
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L220[12:05:55] <S3> nxsupert_, For?
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L222[12:06:15] <nxsupert_> Raspberry
Pi.
L223[12:06:21] <S3> Ah. Doing bare ARM
dev?
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L225[12:06:29] <nxsupert_> yES.
L226[12:06:45] <S3> Do you have a
scheduler?
L227[12:06:51] <S3> some sort of process
management
L228[12:06:52] <nxsupert_> No.
L229[12:07:08] <nxsupert_> Haven't even
implemented interupts.
L230[12:07:16] <S3> because if it's just
flat memory or something you can just have malloc check it
depending on how secure this stuff is going to need to be
L231[12:08:10] <nxsupert_> Flat memory it
will be. but the question is , How can I tell what memory is free
and which is used with out using up a lot of memory?
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L235[12:24:21] <S3> wait what
L236[12:24:24] <S3> Inari, WOW whats
up
L237[12:24:29] <S3> haven't seen you in
forever
L238[12:24:47] <S3> nxsupert_, you'll have
to make some sort of table.
L239[12:25:27] <nxsupert_> ?
L240[12:25:28] <S3> the larger the chunks
of memory you allocate, the smaller your table.
L241[12:25:33] <S3> if that makes
sense
L242[12:25:55] <S3> if you allocate a
bunch of very tiny sections of memory? well..
L243[12:26:59] <nxsupert_> ok
L244[12:28:11] <S3> nxsupert_, how often
do you think people are going t malloc 10 byte sections of
data?
L245[12:28:42] <nxsupert_> let me
think
L246[12:29:05] <S3> it does happen, with
structs and stuff but, typically when I do it with structs I'm
callocing hundreds of em at once or so
L247[12:30:17] <S3> then when you free()
one of em, you can update the malloc table to reflect the sections
that are now changed.
L248[12:30:22] <S3> one entry may become
two
L249[12:30:47] <nxsupert_> Ok.
L250[12:31:19] <S3> yeah. just remember,
you also have the issue of somebody's (especially in C) program
writing to / reading from memory it is not supposed to.
L251[12:33:25] <nxsupert_> My plan was to
make a very minimal monolethic kernal with the Lua intepreter
directly imbeded directly into it. And have userspace programs in
lua
L252[12:34:43] <nxsupert_> So memory
protection isn't that important.
L253[12:36:21] <S3> What are the
dependancies for Lua?
L254[12:36:46] <nxsupert_> Very little by
the looks of it
L255[12:36:46] <S3> You might have to
rewrite a lot of libc?
L256[12:37:15] <S3> you are going to put
OC on your Rpi aren't you
L258[12:37:25] <nxsupert_> Maybe
L259[12:37:27] <nxsupert_> :P
L260[12:37:31] <S3> I don't have an
RPi
L261[12:37:35] <S3> I have a Beaglebone
black
L262[12:38:02] <S3> I would like to have a
nice hummingboard though
L263[12:38:12] <nxsupert_> Wouldn't it be
cool to have an open computer rpi?
L264[12:38:19] <S3> It would be neat
L265[12:38:32] <Inari> S3: uh
L266[12:38:35] <Inari> im in here
everyday
L267[12:42:34] <S3> Inari, yeah so?
L268[12:42:38] <S3> I'm not
L269[12:42:42] <Inari> lol
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L272[13:19:22] <gamax92> What no, audio is
a 2D thing, time and wave form position, video is a 3D thing, the
picture itself is 2D and time becomes the third dimension
L273[13:29:21] <S3> gamax92, audio can be
as many dimensions as you want! :D
L274[13:29:48] <S3> z(t) = Asin(kz-wt) for
example
L275[13:30:05] <S3> Now I'm just getting
technical
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L278[13:42:45] <Altenius> Anyone know what
times sangar is usually on?
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L282[13:45:53] <Lizzy> Altenius,
-NaN
L283[13:45:58] <CompanionCube> Lizzy,
lol
L284[13:46:07] <CompanionCube> dad
suggested converting desktop to USB wifi
L285[13:46:25] <Lizzy> is it currently
wired?
L286[13:46:38] <CompanionCube> yes
L287[13:46:40] <S3> That sounds like a
really bad idea if it is wired.
L288[13:46:56] <Lizzy> keep it wired,
you'll have less problems
L289[13:47:27] <S3> Even though you may
not notice it much, it's amazing how many more ACK failures you
will get and stuff with wireless
L290[13:47:27] <CompanionCube> Lizzy, if I
*have* to go wireless, I'm putting a wireless-to-ethernet bridge in
between
L291[13:47:37] <CompanionCube> so my
10/100/1000 NIC doesn't go to waste
L292[13:47:55] <S3> I bought a dual gbit
intel card heh
L293[13:48:10] <Lizzy> we had fun at work
with the student laptops taking ages to log on and it was due to
the laptops constantly hopping from AP to AP
L294[13:48:10] <S3> but that's nothing,
you should go for some 10GBase-T
L295[13:49:17] <S3> Lizzy, sounds to me
more like a failure to set up the network (which is very common
especially in places like that)
L296[13:49:22] <Lizzy> S3, my work's
backbone can support 10GBase-T but we only go as fast as 1GBase
because that's how fast the VM link between the campuses is
L297[13:49:34] <Lizzy> S3, no, the network
in that place is state of the art
L298[13:49:54] <Lizzy> just the laptops
roaming aggressiveness was set too high
L299[13:50:00] <S3> You know I've had
people say that to me, and their configuration was wrong so it
didn't matter.
L301[13:50:10] <S3> just an example
L302[13:50:52] <S3> at one college I was
at, they had amazing access points, and it was all installed
nicely, etc, but they put every one of them on the same channel,
and said, oh it's okay, they do FHSS
L303[13:51:26] <S3> and it's like dude,
thats why everyone's network connectivity has so much jitter, they
are constantly stopping and restarting their network
transmissions
L304[13:52:02] <S3> dude to
collisions
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L307[13:56:02] <S3> Lizzy, It's like a
player that fills all of the minimum requirements for flying a
Titan and eve and no other skills
L308[13:57:59] <S3> you got this big ship
that's capable of so much power and yet you're flying it like a
paperweight.
L309[13:58:11] <Altenius> Hah, a student
at my school got expelled for running wifi-kill or dSploit.
L310[13:58:28] <S3> Altenius, how did he
get caught?
L311[13:58:42] <Altenius> S3, he's stupid
and bragged to everyone
L312[13:58:59] <S3> Yeah that sounds about
right. If you know what you're doing nobody's ever going to know
lol
L313[13:59:27] <Altenius> And he signed in
with his personal account.
L314[13:59:29] <S3> There's ways of
finding out, but nobody is going to spend the ammount of effort
involved because people are lazy
L316[14:00:34] <S3> Altenius, I'm
surprised he was too stupid to do it manually.
L317[14:00:50] <CompanionCube> always
macspoof when you're wifikilling / dsploiting
L318[14:01:13] <Altenius> He said the VPN
app he was using was protecting him XD
L319[14:01:38] <S3> It's not hard to just
go in injection mode and send disassociate frames to AP clients.
Yeah that sounds like a little hacker wannabe skiddy.
L320[14:02:02] <CompanionCube> S3,
wifikill is easier :p
L321[14:02:34] <Altenius> I sat next to
him and saw him Google "how to hack WiFi" a few
times
L322[14:02:43] <S3> it may be, but I'm
going to be unimpressed even more if you're just some lame
idiot.
L323[14:02:50] <S3> if you know what I
mean
L324[14:03:13] <S3> I actually have a
funny story I think
L325[14:03:25] <CompanionCube> of course,
another method is to hope they don't have STP and create a network
loop
L326[14:05:13] <S3> I have a few friends
in my hackerspace, who are still in high school. A year or so ago
they were in a school assembly, and there was a kid just like the
one you were describing who thinks he's so cool right? and he got
angry at these two kids I know. So he stood up during the assembly
and was like you know what give me your IP I'm going to wreck your
day and show you! and one of them was like, "Okay! it's
127.0.0.1" and the kid goes, 127.0.0.1...
L327[14:05:13] <S3> 127.0.0.1.. okay I'll
remember that, but I'm going to show you that you're a
noob!"
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L330[14:06:46] <Lizzy> CompanionCube, if
you have a large network, you usually turn STP off
L331[14:07:17] <CompanionCube> S3, I
wouldn't use 127.0.0.1
L332[14:07:27] <S3> I'd tell him ::1
L333[14:07:30] <CompanionCube> I'd use a
random (but valid) IP from that /8
L334[14:07:40] <CompanionCube> so that it
has more of a chance of working
L335[14:08:32] <CompanionCube> they may
know that 127.0.0.1 is localhost, but might not know that it's the
same for the whole 127.x.x.x block
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L338[14:11:43] <S3> Well this guy didn't
know anything lol
L339[14:12:06] <S3> I would say ::1
because there's a chance he would be like you're a noob that's not
an IP address!
L340[14:12:14] <S3> and humiliate
himself
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L344[14:27:30] <CompanionCube> le
sigh
L345[14:27:34] <CompanionCube> >orders
fibre
L346[14:27:42] <CompanionCube> >thinks
sky will give a VDSL faceplate
L347[14:27:44] <S3> fibre is cheap
L348[14:27:53] <CompanionCube> hahahah no,
they be cheapskates
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L350[14:30:57] <S3> I almost got SDSL to
my appartment
L352[14:31:05] <S3> $138 /mo
L353[14:31:30] <CompanionCube> why would
yo want SDSL
L354[14:32:03] <S3> I was inquiring their
cost per loop and by bandwidth to do some low QoS hosting from my
appartment
L355[14:32:17] <S3> like, for embedded
systems on the outside with more than 1 Mbit up
L356[14:32:56] <S3> I also inquired about
bonded pair ADSL
L357[14:33:10] <CompanionCube> .....is
internet rather shit rare you live?
L358[14:33:12] <S3> and getting like 30
Mbit on that
L360[14:33:31] <CompanionCube> where do
you live?
L361[14:33:52] <S3> In the 70s, the state
of Maine trashed all telecom equipment for state of the art phone
systems and lines
L362[14:34:12] <S3> then 10 years later
data sort of makes its way in.
L363[14:34:27] <S3> and we're still paying
that crap off, which no way to upgrade.
L364[14:34:55] <S3> We do however, have a
brand new dark fiber line, it's just not for residential, you gotta
be like a DC or some crap
L365[14:35:36] <CompanionCube> do you have
cable
L366[14:35:47] <S3> I would -never- go for
cable
L367[14:36:08] <CompanionCube> is it
because comcast
L368[14:36:11] <CompanionCube> or twc or
verizon
L369[14:36:26] <S3> No, it is because
around here there's always that **** next door that torrents
L370[14:36:30] <S3> and ruins bandwidth
for everyone.
L371[14:36:38] <S3> so I go with DSL and
get guaranteed bandwidth
L372[14:36:58] <S3> for a little slower, I
at least have a consistent connection that is always the same or
damn near
L373[14:37:58] <S3> It get 10 down atm, I
was getting 15 but dude to the ISP I had and the drop being lame I
shorted them out and ruined their equipment
L375[14:39:16] <CompanionCube> .....you
broke a DSLAM?
L376[14:39:18] <CompanionCube> o.o
L377[14:39:55] <S3> well I blew one of the
multiplexer ports
L378[14:39:59] <S3> on the loop
L379[14:40:15] <CompanionCube> heh
L380[14:40:19] <S3> you see, the drop
wasn't properly insulated, it was just loom (cloth like insulation)
and water got into it
L381[14:40:29] <S3> shorted out the DSL
pairs
L382[14:40:45] <CompanionCube> anyone else
affected?
L383[14:40:55] <S3> I don't think so, but
I could be wrong
L385[14:41:33] <S3> I think ther emay have
been a few people on the loop that got angry
L386[14:41:52] <S3> yeah it's where all of
the ATM stuff comes together
L387[14:42:37] <gamax92> my cat was
sleeping on a plant pot
L388[14:42:41] <S3> but yeah I fired that
ISP and went with another that's so much better for 5 Mbit
less
L390[14:43:43] <gamax92> wat
L391[14:43:47] <gamax92> wat.
L392[14:43:52] <S3> My favorite line is
"She stays in the position shown above for hours, with the top
of her head against the top of the router, as if she’s interfacing
with it somehow."
L393[14:44:44] <S3> LOL.. "Sure, this
works for now, until the cat figures out that she’s no longer able
to directly interface with the Internet. Then there’ll be
trouble."
L394[14:46:47] <gamax92> "USING 144
TERABYTES OF RAM, SCIENTISTS SIMULATE A CAT'S CEREBRAL CORTEX BASED
ON 1 BILLION NEURONS AND 10 TRILLION SYNAPSES"
L396[14:47:06] <S3> where?
L398[14:47:15] <gamax92> haven't actually
read it yet
L399[14:48:01] <S3> okay!
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L401[14:51:03] <S3> apparently 100% of a
rat brain has been simulated on blue gene
L402[14:51:08] <S3> just wait until blue
waters is finished
L403[14:51:30] <S3> of course blue waters
will be no where near as powerful as it intended to be because they
went from POWER to AMD
L404[14:57:21] <Kubuxu> Yeah, continuation
of blue brain project.
L405[14:57:41] <S3> that thing was going
to have 300,000 POWER7s
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L407[14:59:47] <Kubuxu> Follow up of Blue
Brain Project is Human Brain Project. Estimated cost of €1.2B in 10
years...
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L410[15:02:25] <Kubuxu> And then I will
have my SI assistant.
L411[15:03:21] <S3> The human brain is a
very poort AI candidate.
L413[15:04:03] <S3> is not stable at
all
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L415[15:06:03] <Kubuxu> S3 yes but it is a
starting point.
L416[15:07:07] <Kubuxu> First make
something that thinks, then apply three(or four) laws of robotics
to it and then strip it from what makes it defunct.
L418[15:16:55] <S3> gamax92, I love the
internet speed at work: Download Speed: 163452 kbps (20431.5 KB/sec
transfer rate), Upload Speed: 178225 kbps (22278.1 KB/sec transfer
rate)
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L421[15:17:39] <S3> seems a little
low.
L423[15:18:17] <S3> There we go.
L424[15:31:45] <nxsupert_> o/
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L430[15:54:27] <Inari> can drones leash
more than 1 animal at once?
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L435[15:59:07] <gamax92> oh cool, this
happed "Fixed GMad not working properly on Linux and
OSX"
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L475[16:22:06] <ds84182> Esper is
dying~!
L476[16:22:18] <Lizzy> no, they're doing
maintenance
L477[16:22:37] <ds84182> oh
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L502[17:30:07] <PotatoTrumpet> Yay!
L503[17:30:10] <PotatoTrumpet> AP test
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L514[18:52:29] <Ekoserin> "This ship
was obviously not designed to stop the front falling off."
"Well, how do you know that?" "Because the front
fell off."
L515[18:53:57] <ds84182> PotatoTrumpet: ME
TOO!
L516[18:54:04] <ds84182> YAY AP TEST
BUDDIES4LYFE
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L527[19:38:57] <gamax92> Well ...
L528[19:39:19] <gamax92> I was playing
garry's mod until my computer was like, I am dead r.i.p
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L548[22:34:42] <PotatoTrumpet> ds84182,
which one are you taking
L549[22:35:30] <PotatoTrumpet> Meh
L550[22:35:38] <PotatoTrumpet> APWH
FTW
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