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L1[00:04:53] <ShadowKatStudios> Guys, how
does {{path to destination},{return path},"message} sound as a
message format?
L3[00:33:04] <SpiritedDusty> printer?
:o
L4[00:33:21] <Michiyo> Indeed.
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L7[00:40:20] <Dean4Devil> Bizzycola: Whats a
mod I should most definitly have in my modpack?
L8[00:41:14] <Bizzycola> uhh
L9[00:41:25] <Bizzycola> Depends on the kind
of modpack and what it has :p
L10[00:41:58] <Dean4Devil> Also: Mekanism
or IC2?
L11[00:42:03] <Bizzycola> I suggest trying
OC though, I hear it's pretty good :p
L12[00:42:21] <Bizzycola> Which ever one
isn't Industrial-Craft :p
L13[00:42:35] <Dean4Devil> ok :D
L14[00:46:36] <Michiyo> Mkay.. now I need
recipe ideas.. What do I use for the printer..
L16[00:53:07] <Dean4Devil> - 1 microchip;
+1 chest?
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L19[00:53:22] <Dean4Devil> for simulating
the storage of paper/ink/whatever
L20[00:53:26] <Michiyo> Hmm
L21[00:53:45] <Dean4Devil> Or, hardcore
mode with a tier-1 RAM module?
L22[00:53:48] <Michiyo> I could see
that
L23[00:53:50] <Michiyo> lol
L24[00:54:13] <Dean4Devil> I, R, I
L25[00:54:14] <Dean4Devil> C, P, C
L26[00:54:14] <Dean4Devil> I, C, I
L27[00:54:35] <Dean4Devil> I = iron, C =
microchip, p = printed board, c = chest, R = ram
L28[00:54:53] <Dean4Devil> bottom one is
chest, sorry
L30[00:57:10] <Michiyo> :p
L31[01:03:00] <Dean4Devil> Isn't Kenny's
b-day soon?
L32[01:13:16] <ShadowKatStudios> Most
printers have a HDD in them
L33[01:13:27] <ShadowKatStudios> I've taken
several apart.
L34[01:58:54] <ShadowKatStudios> Hmmm...
SKS-OS should probably have a hosts file of some sort
L35[01:59:01] <ShadowKatStudios> UUIDs to
names.
L36[01:59:22] <Bizzycola> indeed
L37[02:00:07] <Bizzycola> We need a tool,
like anaylizer, you use it on the computer and it gets it's network
ID(if it has one) and copies it to the clipboard :p
L38[02:01:18] <Bizzycola> If I ever stop
being lazy and work on my UAV mod I might add one in :p
L39[02:02:40] <Bizzycola> Or maybe I'll
work on a seperate mod with a couple random utilties for OC
L40[02:05:21] <ShadowKatStudios> I'm just
gonna use a file for SKS-OS and it will have a table of
string-indexed addresses
L41[02:10:34] <Bizzycola> You could have an
option to send out a broadcast message on a specific port, and all
computers that recieve it send back their name if the user has
configured one
L42[02:10:38] <Bizzycola> like network
discovery :p
L43[02:11:32] <ShadowKatStudios> That'd be
cool
L44[02:11:45] <ShadowKatStudios> Well, all
the SKS-OS computers that is :P
L45[02:11:49] <Bizzycola> Yea
L46[02:12:02] <Bizzycola> I assume if you
recieve a broadcast it tells you what computer it came from
L47[02:12:09] <Bizzycola> so you can
respond to it in particular
L48[02:12:19] <Bizzycola> could have it
wait like 5 seconds for responses or something, iunno :p
L49[02:12:28] <Bizzycola> populate list,
win :p
L50[02:12:34] <ShadowKatStudios> Yeah,
that'd work.
L51[02:12:55] <ShadowKatStudios> Imagine a
big wired network...
L52[02:13:17] <Bizzycola> can has event
listener to wait for them and respond in background
L53[02:13:20] <Bizzycola> Sounds fun!
L54[02:13:33] <ShadowKatStudios> I'm
intending to make it possible to do telnet tunneling anyway, so you
could access distant computers over several relays.
L55[02:13:39] <Dean4Devil> Tread the ID as
a MAC and make a DHCP server :D
L56[02:14:36] <ShadowKatStudios> Hosts file
on *ix is /etc/hosts, yes?
L57[02:15:05] <Dean4Devil> jes
L58[02:15:07] <Dean4Devil> *yes
L59[02:15:51] <ShadowKatStudios> Hmmm,
SKS-OS doesn't have an /etc
L60[02:16:04] <ShadowKatStudios> And there
isn't really enough stuff to make one
L61[02:16:06] <Dean4Devil> SKS-OS?
L62[02:16:27] <ShadowKatStudios> Yeah,
bootloader, shell and software
L63[02:16:34] <ShadowKatStudios> Bootloader
is done.
L64[02:16:41] <Dean4Devil> put all the
config and autostart stuff in /etc
L65[02:16:59] <Dean4Devil> like shell,
shell config, software config, ping server etc.
L66[02:17:17] <Dean4Devil> ping server for
bizzy's idea with network discovery
L67[02:17:56] <ShadowKatStudios> Mmmh, that
is a good idea *adds to installer*
L68[02:18:32] <Dean4Devil> like open
channel *enter id here* so it just responses if it gets a
package
L69[02:19:00] <Dean4Devil> also, is i
allowed to haz sks-os?
L70[02:19:13] <ShadowKatStudios> Once I
make it a bit less like a cheap ripoff of OpenOS
L71[02:19:44] <ShadowKatStudios> At the
moment, it's just 'copy the ROM to a HDD so you can edit it, then
make a bootloader so the OS runs from the HDD'
L72[02:20:21] <ShadowKatStudios> Hah,
wikipedia has the info for the hosts file for TOPS-20!
L73[02:23:58] <ShadowKatStudios> Daemons
are stored in /etc?
L74[02:25:29] <ShadowKatStudios> Should
there be a specific folder?
L75[02:26:57] *
ShadowKatStudios wonders about implimenting telnet in
OC
L76[02:27:10] <Dean4Devil> telnet?
L77[02:27:18] <Dean4Devil> would rather go
for ssh
L78[02:27:20] <Bizzycola> fairly simple
protocol I think
L79[02:27:21] <Bizzycola> can't be too hard
:p
L80[02:27:29] <Dean4Devil> done that in CC
long long time ago
L81[02:27:44] <Dean4Devil> maybe ill
pastebin it if i find it again :P
L82[02:28:17] <ShadowKatStudios>
Alternatively, graphics card over network would be cool
L83[02:28:38] <ShadowKatStudios> Also maybe
port objects
L84[02:28:51] <ShadowKatStudios> They could
function like TCP ports
L85[02:31:55] <ShadowKatStudios> To the
wiki!
L86[02:33:58] <ShadowKatStudios> Internet
card is simulatable.
L87[02:36:23] <ShadowKatStudios> Network
control protocol? Network communication protocol? NCP?
L88[02:39:39] <ShadowKatStudios> o.O How do
writable objects work?
L89[02:41:34] <Bizzycola> lol my game has
uber glitches if you cheat into some levels :p
L90[02:41:47] <Bizzycola> For example, this
one has no collisions.. :p
L91[02:42:21] <Bizzycola> ..And in this one
I run very fast
L92[02:42:51] <Bizzycola> lol it just
screws up so much LD
L93[02:42:57] <ShadowKatStudios> Uh..
return setmetatable(result, metatable) ?
L94[02:44:31] <ShadowKatStudios> What did
it just say? o.O
L95[02:45:37] <ShadowKatStudios> Would you
guys live with needing to 'require' once for every connection you
want?
L96[02:46:15] <Bizzycola> maybe :p
L97[02:46:19] <ShadowKatStudios> I don't
even know what a metatable is
L98[02:46:24] <Bizzycola> I live with
neding
L99[02:46:31] <Bizzycola> to require every
api :p
L100[02:46:44] <Bizzycola> it's fun in a
table
L101[02:46:46] <Bizzycola> obviously
L102[02:47:07] <Bizzycola> I think someone
requested I do a youtube tutorial on metatables back when I did my
lua tutorials :p
L103[02:47:16] <Bizzycola> never got
around to it though
L104[02:48:24] <ShadowKatStudios>
Everything in Lua is tables
L106[02:49:13] <Bizzycola> they're pretty
fun
L107[02:49:28] <Bizzycola> basically
define a tables behaviour
L108[02:50:14] <Bizzycola> even math
stuff, like what happens if you go table1*table2 :p
L109[02:50:54] <Bizzycola> or __call to
call one like a function, in case you want that :p
L110[02:52:27] <ShadowKatStudios> Scary
D:
L111[02:52:49] <ShadowKatStudios> I'll
give you guys a table to use for each connection
L112[02:53:14] <Bizzycola> okey
L113[02:54:10] <ShadowKatStudios> Do
tables have a self value normally?
L114[02:54:36] <ShadowKatStudios> Meh, not
really needed
L115[02:59:20] <ShadowKatStudios> I'm not
sure how I'd access a value in the table a function is contained
in
L116[02:59:44] <Bizzycola> what do you
mean?
L118[03:00:39] <ShadowKatStudios> Say I
have a table.
L119[03:00:49] <Bizzycola> You have a
table
L120[03:00:59] <ShadowKatStudios> That
table has a function and the port number
L121[03:01:24] <ShadowKatStudios> The
function is called derp and the port number is called num
L122[03:01:32] <ShadowKatStudios> How
would I access num from derp?
L123[03:02:13] <ShadowKatStudios> Well,
without knowing the name of the table
L124[03:02:31] <Bizzycola> without knowing
the name? o.O
L125[03:02:40] <Bizzycola> mm
L126[03:02:48] <Bizzycola> Trying to
access the value from the function
L127[03:03:43] <ShadowKatStudios> This is
OOP stuff really, isn't it?
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L130[03:04:44] <Bizzycola> anything like
any of that?
L131[03:05:24] <Bizzycola> and yea
probably :p
L132[03:05:56] <ShadowKatStudios> Seems
workable, I'll see if this works
L133[03:06:09] <ShadowKatStudios> I got
music now, my typing speed jusst went up
L134[03:06:19] <Bizzycola> cool :p
L135[03:06:44] <ShadowKatStudios> Error
rate also increased.
L136[03:07:01] <Bizzycola> It usually does
with typing rate
L137[03:07:17] <Bizzycola> for example I
just put the same wrong character on the end of 'typing' in that
last sentence 4 times in a row
L138[03:07:27] <Bizzycola> deleted it and
pressed wrong button again..4 times in a row :D
L139[03:07:43] <ShadowKatStudios> I should
get some caffine.
L140[03:07:50] <Bizzycola> Maybe
L141[03:07:59] <ShadowKatStudios> Also
it's darker, I can write better code while it's dark.
L142[03:08:50] <ShadowKatStudios>
Actually, screw darker, it's proper dark now
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L145[03:22:07] <ShadowKatStudios> Yaaay,
it copes with data larger than the max packet size :D
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L147[03:36:39] <ShadowKatStudios> How do I
make something load as a library?
L148[03:37:09] <ShadowKatStudios> Oooh,
hello, this can work
L149[03:37:24] <Bizzycola> didn't my
example code abovr sort of do that?
L150[03:38:05] <ShadowKatStudios> I think
I messed up the libraries.
L151[03:44:47] <ShadowKatStudios> Yaaay,
it works
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L155[03:57:14] <ShadowKatStudios> Well, it
worked for a bit.
L156[04:08:22] <ShadowKatStudios> Write
works :D
L157[04:09:43] <Bizzycola> cool
L158[04:10:02] <ShadowKatStudios> Now I
need to impliment read
L159[04:10:17] <ShadowKatStudios> Write
even supports sending data longer than the packet limit :D
L160[04:13:23] <dangranos> what are you
writing?
L161[04:13:59] <ShadowKatStudios> A
networking API for SKS-OS
L162[04:14:12] <ShadowKatStudios> I call
it NCP
L163[04:16:14] <ShadowKatStudios> NCP =
Network communication protocol
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L166[04:32:00] <ShadowKatStudios> Shiny
Michiyo
L167[04:32:46] <ShadowKatStudios> Is that
centred by default or by your code?
L168[04:33:28] <Michiyo> my text draw
method centers it.. I should make it an option.
L169[04:33:52] <ShadowKatStudios>
Indeed.
L170[04:34:15] <Michiyo> currently you
printer.writeln("String", 0xFFFFFF) to write, I could
toss in a justify option too.
L171[04:34:46] <Michiyo> A page can hold
10 lines, once you've laied out the page with writeln, you call
print() and it creates the page.
L172[04:34:58] <Michiyo> laid*
L173[04:36:33] <ShadowKatStudios> Awesome,
I'll probably print out my configuration files for SKS-OS for
backup
L174[04:36:49] <Michiyo> lol,
really?
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L177[04:37:54] <Gopher> :yawn: morning
o/
L178[04:38:28] <ShadowKatStudios> I'll
probably end up writing something that would screw up my config so
backup in every form is a good idea.
L179[04:38:33] <ShadowKatStudios> Evening
Gopher
L180[04:38:38] <Gopher> whatcha working
on?
L181[04:38:47] <ShadowKatStudios>
NCP
L182[04:38:50] <Michiyo> Scanning will be
a thing to, one day.
L183[04:39:04] <Gopher> ncp...?
L184[04:39:04] <ShadowKatStudios> Paper
tape storage almost :D
L185[04:39:06] <Michiyo> so toss a sheet
in a scanner, and you'll get a line of text back out.
L186[04:39:09] <ShadowKatStudios> NCP =
Network communication protocol
L187[04:39:12] <Gopher> aah
L188[04:39:26] <ShadowKatStudios> I'm
going to have it by default for SKS-OS
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L190[04:39:36] <ShadowKatStudios> Well,
it'll be in the libs.
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L194[04:40:42] <Vexatos> Much hello
L195[04:40:46] <Vexatos> printerify
L196[04:40:54] <Gopher> not sure about the
drop shadows, but otherwise nice
L197[04:40:55] <ShadowKatStudios> NCP is
basically a TCP-looking wrapper for modems.
L198[04:41:02] <Vexatos>
printerrifying
L199[04:41:17] <ShadowKatStudios>
printerrific
L200[04:41:34] <Michiyo> Yeah I have more
playing to do with the renderer.
L201[04:41:45] <Gopher> guess the drop
shadows make white and yellow easier to read, but they make red and
blue harder
L202[04:42:11] <Michiyo> you call
printer.writeln("String", 0xHEXCOLOR) upto 10 times, then
printer.print() to write the page.
L203[04:42:48] <ShadowKatStudios> Hehe, I
used to print in brown when I used CC because it was easy to make
cocoa beans
L204[04:42:54] <Michiyo> if you omit the
color it prints in black, using only black ink.
L205[04:44:52] <Gopher> you
L206[04:45:11] <Gopher> you're making ink
"cartridges" a thing, right? rather than doing the cc
one-ink-item-per-page thing?
L207[04:45:36] <Michiyo> Yep
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L209[04:45:50] <Michiyo> default is 100
pages per cartridge
L210[04:46:00] <Gopher> cool. that always
seemed a bit pricy to me.
L211[04:46:15] <Michiyo> and it's a config
option too.
L212[04:46:38] <Michiyo> you also get
paper rolls which are 256 sheets, or standard stacks of 64
paper.
L213[04:47:04] <Gopher> if possible, would
be nice if it used the oc terminal font instead of (or in addition
to?) the mc one
L214[04:47:18] <Gopher> fixed-width makes
some formatting easier
L215[04:47:23] <Michiyo> I'm not sure how
I'd do that..
L216[04:47:40] <Michiyo> I just use MC's
default font renderer currently.
L217[04:47:44] <Gopher> me either, just
saying, if possible, heh
L218[04:48:04] <Gopher> might be able to
expose oc's font renderer for this kind of application?
L219[04:50:08] <Gopher> doubt the api does
so now, but probably no reason it /couldn't/
L220[04:51:18] <Michiyo> Yeah.. I'm also
working on adding "lore" to the page so you can title
your pages.
L221[04:51:27] <Gopher> cool, cool
L222[04:51:43] <Michiyo> I'll have a build
out soonish if anyone wants to test.
L223[04:51:46] <Gopher> background colors
would also be nice, for "drawing", but that's not
something the mc font supports, I know
L224[04:52:00] <Gopher> not sure the
fixedwidthfontrenderer from oc does either, internally at
least..
L225[04:52:37] <Michiyo> Woot... lore
works.
L226[04:52:46] <Michiyo> well
sorta...
L227[04:52:50] <Michiyo> it just renames
the item.
L228[04:52:51] <Michiyo> but w/e
L229[04:53:04] <Michiyo> lore failed, but
rename item worked :P
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L232[05:08:57] <ShadowKatStudios> Holy
shite it works :o
L233[05:09:11] <ShadowKatStudios> NCP is
functional!
L234[05:09:17] <Gopher> nice :)
L235[05:11:10] <ShadowKatStudios> It even
returns events!
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L238[05:20:52] <ShadowKatStudios> :D It
works!
L239[05:21:10] <ShadowKatStudios> Well,
there's no handshaking when connecting yet, but y'know
L240[05:23:26] <Bizzycola> nice
L241[05:25:14] <ShadowKatStudios> Beyond
that, it works great.
L242[05:25:30] <ShadowKatStudios> And it
works properly as a library too :D
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L245[05:45:38] <ShadowKatStudios> Mmm, tim
tams
L246[05:53:16] <Bizzycola> gimmeh!
:p
L247[05:54:01] <ShadowKatStudios> You can
have em, I've made myself sick already
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L249[05:56:12] <ShadowKatStudios>
Handshaking is one-sided, but the other side can also do
handshaking, but it'd have to be part of a program.
L250[05:58:30] <ShadowKatStudios> But this
sentence has far too many buts to be valid, but why the hell
not?
L251[06:05:00] <Gopher> ooohkay. separated
out the bit of compile.functionCall that will be reused by
compile.assignment into a separate function. Then I just need to
implement a few special system functions and I'll be able to start
compiling actual programs \o/
L252[06:05:32] <Gopher> starting, of
course, with print(), so I can compile my Hello, World!
program.
L253[06:06:52] <ShadowKatStudios>
Compiling?
L254[06:06:55] <ShadowKatStudios> What
language?
L255[06:11:43] <Gopher> my language,
lol
L256[06:11:51] <ShadowKatStudios>
Gibberish?
L257[06:11:53] <ShadowKatStudios> :P
L258[06:12:33] <Gopher> no, vaguely c-like
syntax, strict typed, but with multiple returns and
lua/python-style assignments
L259[06:13:39] <ShadowKatStudios> Sounds
cool
L260[06:14:00] <Gopher> it's a lot of work
for questionable benefits but I've had great fun working on it so
far :)
L261[06:14:01] <ShadowKatStudios> I want
to build myself a FORTH environment in Lua.
L262[06:14:35] <Gopher> then you should do
so.
L263[06:14:42] <Gopher> interpreting forth
wouldn't be too difficult.
L264[06:14:56] <ShadowKatStudios> Once I
finish this network setup
L265[06:15:28] <Gopher> when I'm done with
the language compiler, I can start working on the supporting apps,
which is when this will actually start to get genuinely cool.
L266[06:16:44] <Gopher> gonna be drone and
control programs, for robots and computers, respectively. Control
computer will have tools for loading, editing, and compiling
programs, while the drones run the vm that executes the resulting
compiled bytecode that's sent to them wirelessly
L267[06:17:22] <ShadowKatStudios> That's
pretty cool
L268[06:17:28] <Gopher> I may even get to
the point of having debugging features, the ability to step through
code line by line, inspect variables, etc
L269[06:18:37] <Gopher> all remotely via
the control computer, as there is currently not even close to
enough memory possible on robots to do it on their side XD
L270[06:18:55] <ShadowKatStudios> Isn't
there tier 1.5 memory now?
L271[06:19:00] <Gopher> which is how I
started down this rabbit hole in the first place, running into
memory limits on robots and wanting a way to work around them
L272[06:19:13] <ShadowKatStudios> How big
is tier 1.5 memory anyway?
L273[06:19:18] <Gopher> 96k
L274[06:19:30] <ShadowKatStudios> Not
bad.
L275[06:19:30] <Gopher> but you have to
use your upgrade slot for it
L276[06:19:37] <ShadowKatStudios>
Ah.
L277[06:19:55] <Gopher> heh. robtos have
96 to start with. After loading all the built-in libraries, you
have around 45k
L278[06:20:29] <Gopher> and complex tree
structures in lua tables fill up memory /fast/
L279[06:20:32] <Bizzycola> So pretty much
good for basic instructions or remote controlling? :p
L280[06:21:07] <Gopher> you can run some
fairly complicated programs on them, so long as they don't do too
much thinking/remembering as they go, heh
L281[06:21:15] <Bizzycola> Ah :p
L282[06:21:23] <Bizzycola> RC robots are
more fun
L283[06:21:54] <Gopher> my rovot library,
ported from my turtlex api, which gave higher level movement stuff
and inventory management, had to be pruned heavily to even load in
memory, much less leave room for a long program
L284[06:22:08] <Gopher> which made me sad
:(
L285[06:22:20] <Gopher> as I am too used
to leaning on it when programming turtles.
L286[06:22:26] <Bizzycola> it should
upgrade memory every like 5 or 10 levels
L287[06:22:51] <ShadowKatStudios> Am I the
only person that thinks functions should be stored in compressed
strings and decompressed and used, then reset to nil when
needed?
L288[06:22:51] <Gopher>
turtlex.forward(20,"dig",turtlex.digDown)) is just so
much nicer than the alternatives...
L289[06:24:02] <ShadowKatStudios> Huh,
cool, 22:22
L290[06:24:13] <Gopher> you could
implement that in lua, but the compression/decompression algos
might end up using more memory than you saved from the compression,
unless you had a /lot/ of libraries XD
L291[06:24:31] <ShadowKatStudios> There's
a compression program in OpenPrograms
L292[06:24:42] <ShadowKatStudios> I'm
thinking I'll put that in SKS-OS
L293[06:24:48] <Gopher> It's just a
standard lua compression library ported to lua
L294[06:24:54] <Gopher> er, ported to
oc
L295[06:24:55] <Gopher> but yeah
L296[06:25:54] <ShadowKatStudios> One that
compressed patterns would be cool.
L297[06:26:25] <Gopher> ideal for the
context might be compression designed specifically for compressing
lua
L298[06:27:14] <ShadowKatStudios> There's
Lua bytecode...
L299[06:27:20] <Gopher> disabled in
oc
L300[06:27:25] <Gopher> you can't run
compiled bytecode
L301[06:27:32] <ShadowKatStudios> It's
configurable
L302[06:27:35] <Gopher> not by default
configs anyway
L303[06:27:40] <Gopher> yes, but it's off
by default for a reason
L304[06:27:50] <ShadowKatStudios>
Yeah...
L305[06:27:54] <Gopher> if you're writing
code for distribution, you should absolutely not require that to be
changed :P
L306[06:28:28] *
ShadowKatStudios wonders about compressing his whole OS and
stuffing it in the installer
L307[06:28:37] <Gopher> heh
L308[06:28:56] <ShadowKatStudios> That has
possibilities
L309[06:29:10] <Gopher> I haven't played
much with binary strings in oc, I wonder if they have the same
derpy unicode expansions/substitutions that they do in cc..
L310[06:29:12] <ShadowKatStudios> It'd
only need the decompression algorithim in the installer then
L311[06:29:28] <ShadowKatStudios> I've
used some bit32
L312[06:29:37] <ShadowKatStudios>
Confusing, but it works.
L313[06:30:48] <ShadowKatStudios> Aaand
going back to wireless...
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L320[06:38:23] <ShadowKatStudios> Someone
walks between my computer and the router and the connection
dies
L321[06:41:59] <Bizzycola> Sounds like you
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L326[06:57:19] <ShadowKatStudios> Oooh,
this is looking very nice, a 68060 based computer with IDE HDD
interface
L327[06:57:19] <ShadowKatStudios> Capible
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L335[07:15:54] <JoshTheEnder> o/
L336[07:16:11] <Death> o/
L337[07:16:16] <JoshTheEnder> Good
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L338[07:16:40] <Death> Good morning to
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L355[08:01:39] <Gopher> I just realised,
with peek and poke being able to take n as a stack offset, I could
actually do arrays...
L356[08:01:51] <Gopher> without too much
difficulty.
L357[08:01:59] <Gopher> big ones would
abuse the stack a fair bit, though.
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L376[08:43:32] <Kenny> \o
L377[08:44:26] <Gopher> hey, kenny
L378[08:44:46] <Death> Hai Kenny
L379[08:44:52] <Kenny> did something very
unusual today
L380[08:45:06] <Kenny> slept in till 9:30
in the morning
L381[08:45:26] <Kenny> i'm normally up and
about at 6am hehe
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L384[09:00:42] <Kenny> Neonbeta: after the
way Kris just sounded so happy that i had left the ts I doubt i'll
be back around
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L398[09:29:59] <Neonbeta> Kenny: Darn man,
that sucks to hear
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L436[10:35:55] <Gopher> ping: not much
momentum thanks to distractions, but compiler's coming along
anyway. Working on basic statements and statement blocks now. Soon,
HLRL will be ready :D
L438[10:36:47] <Gopher> implemented but
not yet tested parsing for blocks and compiling for blocks and
assignment statements, including hoisting variable declarations and
type inferrence
L439[10:37:38] <Gopher> tho some of the
additions have cascading effects that I'll need to accomodate with
changes to a lot of the other compile functions :/
L440[10:37:50] <Gopher> which means a fun
round of bug fixing is ahead of me, most likely
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L442[10:46:12] <Nentify> Does OC have
touchscreen screens like CC?
L443[10:46:49] <JoshTheEnder> i think so,
just dont attach a keyboard
L444[10:47:16] <ping> yes it does
L445[10:47:26] <Nentify> oh, cool :)
L446[10:47:41] <ping> JoshTheEnder, .-. im
pretty sure it works with a keyboard
L447[10:47:42] <Nentify> I love OC
L448[10:47:43] <Bizzycola> I didnt even
know that :p
L449[10:48:04] <Bizzycola> I know you can
click on the screen when you open it
L450[10:48:04] <ping> theres also an event
when you step on a monitor
L451[10:48:18] <JoshTheEnder> well, with a
keyboard it opens up the gui when you click it
L452[10:48:20] <Bizzycola> Ah, so you can
make dancing games for fun?
L453[10:48:26] <ping> oh right
JoshTheEnder
L454[10:49:42] <Kenny> touch screen with
tier 2 and 3 only
L455[10:50:14] <Bizzycola> o I assume
rightclick = click event if there is no keyboard, but you require a
keyboard for actual typing?
L456[10:50:37] <Kenny> yes
L457[10:50:48] <Bizzycola> Ah
L458[10:51:05] <Bizzycola> Can servers
have screens attached? Then you could use a terminal for typing but
screen for touchscreen
L459[10:52:38] <Gopher> yes
L460[10:52:50] <Bizzycola> cool
L461[10:52:55] <Bizzycola> might screw
with that later then :p
L462[10:53:20] <Bizzycola> I assume the
monitor needs to be connected to the assigned component side
L463[10:53:24] <Gopher> using multiple
monitors is a bit trickier than in cc, thio
L464[10:53:28] <Gopher> yawp
L465[10:53:31] <Kenny> one issue with a
screen attached
L466[10:53:42] <Bizzycola> Never tried
multiple monitors with OC
L467[10:54:00] <Kenny> if you attach a
screen to the server you have to set it as the primary in the
config or it won't work
L468[10:54:16] <Kenny> in autorun not
config
L469[10:54:21] <Bizzycola> Oh
L470[10:54:40] <Bizzycola> probably not
too difficult :p
L471[10:54:44] <Gopher> not entirely true,
just kindof true
L472[10:54:57] <Gopher> print and term
functions will only operate on the primary monitor
L473[10:55:02] <Gopher> but you will get
touch events for any monitor
L474[10:55:06] <Bizzycola> Ah
L475[10:55:09] <Bizzycola> output on the
server
L476[10:55:14] <Kenny> ok, Gopher. if it's
different explain it, cause that is what Sanga_r told me to
do
L477[10:55:14] <Bizzycola> silly game on
the monitor! :p
L478[10:55:33] <Gopher> to /write/ on the
monitor, you have to set it primary
L479[10:55:36] <Bizzycola> Is it on the
wiki/
L480[10:55:42] <Bizzycola> Ah
L481[10:55:49] <Gopher> but once you write
on it, what's there stays there if you change it to not be primary
anymore
L482[10:56:13] <Gopher> not entirely sure
how this interacts with servers, as I've not played with them much
really
L483[10:56:21] <Kenny> i couldn't get one
to work at all without setting it to primary
L484[10:56:52] <Gopher> kenny, I just
double-checked, plonked one down in front of my case with lua
running on primary doing while true do print(event.pull())
L485[10:56:54] <Bizzycola> How does one
set it to primary?
L486[10:56:58] <Gopher> it gets
right-click events from the 2nd monitor.
L487[10:57:14] <Gopher> like I said, to
/write/ to it, you have to make ti primary
L488[10:57:25] <Bizzycola> Also, does your
graphics API let me just add a button? do I require an actual
window to be present? I want to draw a couple buttons and that's it
:p
L489[10:57:55] <Gopher> but I'm fairly
sure you can make it primary, draw buttons to it, change primary
back to the normal terminal screen, and then handle the touch
events in the background
L490[10:58:06] <Bizzycola> Ah cool
L491[10:58:20] <Gopher> my gui library
requires a gui container, and is not currently set up to work with
this kind of multiple monitor thing I'm afraid
L492[10:58:28] <Bizzycola> Ah
L493[10:58:30] <Gopher> you wouldn't be
able to have a term running while a gui was running on another
monitor
L494[10:58:31] <Bizzycola> Alright
then
L495[10:58:42] <Gopher> that's something I
should probably add, hadn't really thought about it before
L496[10:58:49] <Bizzycola> I'll just
create a small lib to draw a button and handle click events then
:p
L497[10:59:05] <Gopher> yeah, gml is major
overkill for just a couple of buttons on a touch-screen
anyway
L498[10:59:13] <Bizzycola> hah true
L499[10:59:46] <Bizzycola> I've never done
it before but I assume it involves setting background color for
text then drawing some spaces :p
L500[10:59:54] <Bizzycola> and text
L501[11:00:07] <Gopher> indeed, lol
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L503[11:00:35] <Bizzycola> Ah cool
L504[11:00:47] <Bizzycola> It might be fun
to use a desktop for base management and create a nice little GUI
for it :p
L505[11:00:54] <Bizzycola> or have a
server, then have a GUI client on a desktop or something
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L507[11:04:36] <Gopher> yeah, just did
some checking, you can bind, draw, change resolution, etc, then
bind back, what you drew stays on the non-primary monitor
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L509[11:05:07] <Bizzycola> cool
L510[11:05:12] <Gopher> have to preserve
and restore your cursor position before/after binding/drawing
tho
L511[11:05:36] <Bizzycola> Ah so if you
set it back to primary the cursor pos resets to 1,1? :p
L512[11:05:44] <Bizzycola> or 0,0, which
ever it is
L513[11:05:47] <Gopher> not resets
L514[11:05:54] <Gopher> stays wherever the
cursor on the monitor drawing was
L515[11:06:18] <Bizzycola> oh when you go
back to non-monitor?
L516[11:06:39] <Gopher> ex,
gpu.bind(screen2) term.setCursor(1,1) term.write("hi")
gpu.bind(screen1) cursor on screen1 is now at 3,1
L517[11:07:09] <Bizzycola> Ah I get
it
L518[11:07:37] <Gopher> not sure if this
is all intended behavior or not, but I hope it is heh
L519[11:08:01] <Gopher> I've heard it
talked about that yuo need multiple gpus to use multiple
monitors... and I don't really that to be the case XD
L520[11:08:44] <Bizzycola> My laptop has a
screen and I can plug 2 additional monitors into it
L521[11:08:56] <Kenny> that was what
Sanga_r said, multiple gpu's for multiple monitors, without doing
the binding issue
L522[11:08:57] <Bizzycola> So can most 1
GPU computers :p
L523[11:09:05] <Gopher> also know what to
tell people who want me to port biolock to oc now... touch events
have the username that clicked, lol
L524[11:09:23] <Bizzycola> They do?
cool
L525[11:09:29] <Gopher> kenny, yeah, which
is what makes me wonder if this is intended behavior or not,
heh
L526[11:09:31] <Bizzycola> fingerprint
scanner!
L527[11:09:35] <Gopher> meaning it might
go away in the future
L528[11:09:38] <Kenny> yeah, and we need
to take that up with him. the tier3 case only allows 1 tier3
gpu
L529[11:09:50] <Bizzycola> just cheat
creative case :p
L530[11:10:02] <Bizzycola> Or complain to
sang(a)r
L531[11:10:07] <Kenny> and computers can
now have more than gpu
L532[11:10:08] <Bizzycola> or fork and fix
it
L533[11:10:27] <Gopher> Well, tbh,
multiple monitors become almost useless if you need a gpu per
card
L534[11:10:41] <Kenny> already have it
forked, but i don't know scala
L535[11:10:52] <Bizzycola> Ah
L536[11:11:08] <Gopher> so I hope this is
intended and not going away, heh
L537[11:11:09] <Bizzycola> I know enough
to understand what he's done, but probably not enough to write
any
L538[11:11:23] <Gopher> though atm I can't
think of a case where I would want/benefit from two GPUs
L539[11:11:26] <Bizzycola> should learn it
sometime
L540[11:11:32] <Bizzycola> though I don't
know what I could contribute :p
L541[11:11:43] <Gopher> if you were doing
something fancy like running separate shells/programs on each,
you'd still need to be switching primaries back and forth
L542[11:11:43] <Kenny> the other thing is
gpu's have the ability to handle 2 monitors
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L545[11:15:21] <Gopher> I've got
"HerpDerp" on 2 tier 3 monitors while running lua on the
normal primary right now, heh
L546[11:15:28] <Gopher> all with one tier
3 gpu
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L560[11:35:13] <Gopher> \o/
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L565[11:42:38] <Dean4Devil> o/
L566[11:43:16] <Bizzycola> hia
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L570[11:50:09] <Gopher> ok, previous \o/
was premature. now for real \o/
L571[11:50:46] <Gopher> blocks containing
assignment statements and function calls containing arbitrary
expressions are fully parsing and compiling now.
L572[11:52:25] <Gopher> just need to
implement the special system function for print() and I can finally
do a hello world program in my own language, compiled by my
compiler into my bytecode, run on my vm \o/
L573[11:52:42] <Gopher> not bad for not
quite a week's work :D
L574[11:54:11] <Gopher> tho the compiled
output is laughably inefficient compared to hand-coded bytecode
programs, lol
L575[11:54:17] <ping> yaay
L576[11:54:20] <ping> more spam
L577[11:54:24] <Gopher> aaw :(
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L584[12:11:08] <Kenny> Sangar: would you
happen to be around?
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L586[12:22:26] <Nentify> I'm not sure what
I've done, but I can't type d's into OpenOS
L587[12:22:33] <Nentify> :x
L588[12:23:22] <ping> you accidentally
took a arrow to the d key
L589[12:23:52] <Nentify> Well darn!
L590[12:24:03] <Nentify> Idk what I did,
but turning it off/on again fixed it so whatever :D
L591[12:24:34] <Nentify> Can you paste
into the OpenOS terminal?
L592[12:24:41] <ping> yes
L593[12:24:44] <ping> middle click
L594[12:24:48] <Nentify> :O
L595[12:24:52] <Nentify> awesome thanks
:D
L596[12:25:19] <JoshTheEnder> or shift +
insert
L597[12:25:59] <JoshTheEnder> youtube,
when i go back to the home page i dont want to continue hearing the
video!
L598[12:25:59] <ping> or shift + fn +
insert if you have a retarded keyboard
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L615[13:01:31] <Wobbo> Hi guys
L616[13:01:40] <Dean4Devil> Hi Wobbo
L617[13:01:59] <Nentify> o/
L618[13:02:22] <Wobbo> Oh god, the
spambots have fond the OC forum >_>
L619[13:02:30] <Dean4Devil> oh noes
:C
L620[13:02:51] <Gopher> nentify: unless it
was just added, I'm not aware of an isHttpEnabled function on the
internet component api
L621[13:03:05] <Nentify> oh
L623[13:03:23] <Wobbo> Nentify: It does
exist
L624[13:03:37] <Wobbo> At leats, the wiki
names it :P
L625[13:03:40] <Gopher> hrm. That is
documented, but just checked at a lua prompt, the function does not
exist.
L626[13:03:43] <ping> ffs
L628[13:03:56] <ping> the forums arent
active :/
L629[13:03:58] <Wobbo> Hmm… No
L630[13:04:12] <Wobbo> You need to require
component en get internet from there
L631[13:04:27] <Wobbo> ping: it isn’t in
your /etc/hosts file this time? :P
L632[13:04:37] <JoshTheEnder> forums seem
fine to me
L633[13:04:46] <ping> as in, nobody is on
the forums much
L634[13:04:58] <Wobbo> Ah, that. No not
really
L635[13:05:08] <Wobbo> I made some topics,
but nobody reacted :P
L636[13:05:13] <Gopher> oh, never mind,
right. the internet library is separate and just doesn't have those
functions
L637[13:06:14] <Wobbo> Gopher: How is your
compiler doing? :P
L638[13:06:14] <Kenny> Nentify: local
internet = require("internet") local in =
component.internet print(in.isHttpEnabled)
L639[13:06:44] <Wobbo> Kenny: I think you
need a require(“component”) in there somewhere ;)
L640[13:06:52] <Kenny> yeah that too
L641[13:07:39] <Kenny> Nentify: local
component=require("component") internet=
require("internet") local in = component.internet
print(in.isHttpEnabled)
L642[13:07:56] <Nentify> Worked without
require internet, do I need to do that for all component
functions?
L643[13:08:07] <Wobbo> Nentify: Yeah
L644[13:08:11] <Nentify> oki thanks
L645[13:08:11] <Kenny> thanks Wobbo.
bouncing between too many things at the moment hehe
L646[13:08:26] <Wobbo> If you want to use
the internet component functions, you need to get the
component
L647[13:08:38] <Kenny> tech support here,
debugging a mod, writing a mod
L648[13:08:42] <Wobbo> The internet
api/module is just a wrapper around the component
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L650[13:08:56] <Wobbo> Kenny: dualwielding
keyboards?
L651[13:09:13] <Kenny> one keyboard, brain
running in multiple directions
L652[13:09:26] <Kenny> and window
flipping
L653[13:09:44] <Kenny> can't wait till the
first of the month, i'm getting as second monitor
L654[13:10:18] <SuPeRMiNoR2> as second?
XD
L655[13:10:21] <Kenny> and a new video
card. and it will NOT be an Nvidia one
L656[13:10:46] <Dean4Devil> Why not?
L657[13:11:08] <Kenny> because the oine i
have has sound drivers with it and it fucks with my onboard
audio
L658[13:11:17] <Dean4Devil> oh?
L659[13:11:24] <Dean4Devil> never had that
happen to me..
L660[13:11:32] <Kenny> 4 programs all
trying to control the audio at once
L661[13:11:48] <Dean4Devil> Under Windows,
i suppose?
L662[13:12:04] <Kenny> yep, and if you
saying anything about Linux i'll smack you
L663[13:12:15] <Dean4Devil> I didn't say
anything :(
L664[13:12:24] <Kenny> i was sidetracking
it :P
L665[13:12:29] <Wobbo> Kenny: something
about Linux :P
L666[13:12:37] *
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L670[13:13:11] <Kenny> D4D: i have tried
Linux, it doesn't allow me to use all of the programs i want
ot
L671[13:13:19] <Wobbo> Gopher: How is you
compiler doing?
L672[13:13:29] <Dean4Devil> I know,
software support is bad :/
L673[13:13:44] <Wobbo> Wine :P
L674[13:13:46] <Gopher> good. Compiling
blocks now, though only two statement types, assignments and
function calls.
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L676[13:14:02] <Dean4Devil> Dont bring up
Wine -.-
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L678[13:14:32] <Gopher> adding function
/definitions/ is gonna require some not-insignificant tweaking of
all the existing compile functions, tho, due to a lack of proper
future-readiness on my part.
L679[13:16:03] <Dean4Devil> Btw Kenny:
Just Dean is fine :P
L680[13:18:53] <Wobbo> Gopher: wait, you
tested function calls without function definitions? :P
L681[13:18:56] <Kenny> i could shorten it
to DD
L682[13:19:24] <Dean4Devil> Call me
whatever you want, just sayin :D
L683[13:19:27] <Gopher> not to be snarky,
but why are you negotiating over what to call him? XD
L684[13:19:44] <Kenny> well the 2nd
actually firs for Devil hehe
L685[13:19:50] <Kenny> fits*
L686[13:19:53] <Wobbo> They have to do
something while they are not smacking me? :P
L687[13:20:01] <Wobbo> ?chanstats
L689[13:20:03] <Kenny> because i feel like
it
L690[13:22:18] *
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L691[13:22:39] <Wobbo> Even ping wants to
join in on the fun :P
L692[13:23:36] <Dean4Devil> How long until
we get Wobbo on the top of the chanstats slaplist? :P
L693[13:23:56] <JoshTheEnder> Poor ping,
nobody likes him. He was attacked 63 times.
L694[13:23:56] <JoshTheEnder> For example,
like this:
L695[13:23:56] <JoshTheEnder> * gamax92
slaps pong
L696[13:23:56] <JoshTheEnder> SuPeRMiNoR2
seems to be unliked too. He got beaten 25 times.
L697[13:23:57] *
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L698[13:24:03] <Wobbo> Well, I’m leaving
soon, so you have to be fast :P
L699[13:24:05] <JoshTheEnder> got a long
way yet
L700[13:24:19] *
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L701[13:24:32] <JoshTheEnder> $action
slaps Wobbo
L702[13:24:43] *
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L703[13:25:01] <Dean4Devil> Poor SuperBot
._.
L704[13:25:14] <SuPeRMiNoR2> $action
dies
L705[13:25:14] *
SuperBot dies
L706[13:25:20] <Dean4Devil> He was
(besides the NSA) the only one stil listening to me... :/
L707[13:25:31] <JoshTheEnder> $action
"slaps Wobbo"
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L709[13:25:35] <JoshTheEnder> $action
"slaps
L710[13:25:35] *
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L712[13:26:04] <Wobbo> XD
L713[13:26:19] <Wobbo> Josh, I will show
you how it is done :P
L714[13:26:23] <SuPeRMiNoR2> $mode
Dean4Devil * +i
L715[13:26:25] *
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L716[13:26:32] <SuPeRMiNoR2> hey
Dean4Devil, now superbot is ignoring you too
L717[13:26:41] <Dean4Devil> yay
L718[13:27:11] *
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L719[13:28:23] <Wobbo> Well, my
dying.
L720[13:28:30] <Wobbo> See you all
later!
L721[13:28:36] <Dean4Devil> byyee
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L743[14:15:38] <Kenny> i need some
assistance from a java programmer
L744[14:15:59] <Kenny> i am having a
problem i can't figure out
L745[14:16:27] <Kenny> there is no error
in the code but when i launch the game (in dev mode) it crashes on
a recipe error
L746[14:17:11] <Kenny> i'm using the OC
api and trying to use 2 items from OC as part of the recipe for the
item in the mod
L747[14:17:50] <Kenny> when making the
recipe in code everything is fine. but when the code runs is
crashes with those 2 items showing as null
L748[14:18:22] <Dean4Devil> API over
gradle or as jar-file manually installed?
L749[14:18:43] <Kenny> api in eclipse but
not gradle
L750[14:19:10] <Dean4Devil> Weird :(
L751[14:19:30] <Kenny> i heloing debug the
code
L752[14:19:34] <Kenny> helping*
L753[14:19:40] <Dean4Devil> Is OC itself
installed? :P
L754[14:19:52] <Kenny> it's in the mods
folder yes
L755[14:21:15] <Dean4Devil> Using no
mod-items works? Using only one OC item to craft something does
what?
L756[14:21:18] <Kenny> actually using 3
items from OC
L757[14:21:25] <Kenny> using no mod items
it works
L758[14:21:42] <Kenny> haven't tried that
way
L759[14:23:08] <Kenny> trying that way
now
L760[14:24:00] <Kenny> same issue, using
one item from OC it shows a null for the tiem
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L762[14:32:53] <Kenny> pong do you code
java?
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L767[14:35:02] <pong> Kenny, nop
L768[14:36:34] <Kenny> what good are you?
hehe
L769[14:36:41] <Bizzycola> Lol
L770[14:36:47] <Bizzycola> like the first
time I turn on a robot
L771[14:36:48] <Bizzycola> game crashes
:p
L772[14:36:57] <Kenny> damn i have an
issue which really needs Sangar's assistance
L773[14:37:24] <Gopher> I've done some
java and modding but no ideas on your issue, kenny
L774[14:38:12] <Dean4Devil> A lot of
problems i have with eclipse and libaries / apis resolve themselfes
with a restart of eclipse. Never had something as weird as yours
tho
L775[14:38:14] <Kenny> i know, it's why i
was hoping Sangar would be around hehe
L776[14:39:17] <Kenny> it's something i've
never run into before
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L779[14:42:30] <Kenny> hit the wrong
button again hehe
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L781[14:49:17] <Bizzycola> Can robots not
place a block behind them? o.O
L782[14:54:51] <pong> turn, then
place
L783[14:55:49] <Bizzycola> there now my
robots are doing all my boring placing for me
L784[14:55:51] <Bizzycola> :p
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L790[15:12:59] <Dean4Devil> If you pull
the plug on a running computer, is there a possibility that
information in the RAM may stay accessible? (In RL)
L792[15:13:34] <tgame14> if it has no
electricity then its still there, but not accessible
L793[15:13:43] <tgame14> and ram is
cleaned once you start it up
L794[15:13:50] <pong> wat
L795[15:13:54] <Dean4Devil> could
specialists read those information?
L796[15:13:56] <pong> i thought it was
cleared when it crashes
L797[15:14:00] <pong> the lua vm is
killed
L798[15:14:04] <Dean4Devil> RL
L799[15:14:08] <Dean4Devil> real
life
L800[15:14:10] <tgame14> Dean4Devil,
no.
L802[15:14:15] <Michiyo> Yes.
L803[15:14:23] <pong> its hard
L804[15:14:36] <tgame14> Michiyo,
RAM
L805[15:14:40] <tgame14> not any
memory
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L808[15:14:43] <Dean4Devil> Because if it
stays there, it can be read
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L810[15:15:03] <Michiyo> Data remanence
has been observed in static random-access memory (SRAM) Data
remanence has also been observed in dynamic random-access memory
(DRAM)
L811[15:15:29] <tgame14> Most PC's use
DRAM
L812[15:15:41] <Michiyo> read the 2nd part
of my message there.
L813[15:15:43] <Dean4Devil> or a
hybrid
L814[15:15:43] <tgame14> but without super
special data extraction and investigation, no
L815[15:16:04] <Gopher> yay. Really gonna
have to optimize output, but [[str="Hello, World!"
print(str)]] -> [['AHs'NHello, World!HsOsAs#BBKs#BBHsOs.s]],
which actually works.
L816[15:16:05] <tgame14> Michiyo, its not
something that can be done if you give a stick to a PC store
L817[15:16:22] <tgame14> ram stick that
is
L818[15:16:31] <Stary2001> only if you
pretty much freeze the ram and regboot
L819[15:16:32] <Stary2001> reboot*
L820[15:16:42] <tgame14> that info is
still in theoretical
L821[15:16:42] <Michiyo> No, its
not.
L822[15:16:48] <Michiyo> Yeah
L823[15:16:58] <Michiyo> But it HAS been
observed :P
L824[15:16:59] <tgame14> i mean, Ye it is
there, but accessing it still doesnt mean its possbile
L825[15:17:13] <Stary2001> a full week
without refresh when cooled with liquid nitrogen."
L826[15:17:21] <Michiyo> heh
L827[15:17:24] <tgame14> Then the answer
is no
L828[15:17:30] <tgame14> even if you give
it to a specialist
L829[15:17:36] <Michiyo> But no, not like
in the movies where they yank a stick out and read it with the
magic box of doom
L830[15:17:43] <Dean4Devil> Specialist
being the gov
L831[15:17:50] <tgame14> unless you give
it to some university that digs into it
L832[15:17:56] <tgame14> and will probably
not be able to read it all so well
L833[15:18:05] <tgame14> since its
degraded to byte data
L834[15:18:13] <tgame14> and who the hell
knows whats what and where
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L836[15:18:35] <pong> its easy to dissect
running memory
L837[15:18:56] <tgame14> not byte
memory.
L838[15:19:05] <pong> define byte
memory
L839[15:19:07] <Dean4Devil> ofc. Hacking a
running computer with hardware access is alway kinda easy
L840[15:19:11] <tgame14> 011010010
100010101 1010110011
L841[15:19:16] <pong> for fucks sake
L842[15:19:20] <tgame14> now imagine
thousand of those.
L843[15:19:30] <tgame14> hell, probably
dozen thousands
L844[15:19:35] <pong> yes, its easy to
dissect that
L845[15:19:41] <tgame14> not without
context
L846[15:19:57] <pong> all the info you
need on processes, etc already exists
L847[15:20:13] <tgame14> how do you know
what is where.. Cmon you don;t know what writes when
L848[15:20:20] <pong> yes you do
L849[15:20:21] <tgame14> Im a computer
science major, i know this stuff :.
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L851[15:20:45] <tgame14> this is RAM
memory
L852[15:21:02] <pong> yes, but how does
the computer know whats where
L853[15:21:02] <Dean4Devil> If you're
doing it properly secure noone knows where in the RANDOM access mem
stuff is saved
L854[15:21:16] <pong> Dean4Devil, there
are always references
L855[15:21:24] <tgame14> Difference
between runtime reading and post program death
L856[15:21:45] <pong> but isnt that the
same?
L857[15:21:47] <tgame14> the program
know's where it is, because it is related
L858[15:21:51] <Dean4Devil> if somebody
can read the references of a process you're screwed anyway
L859[15:21:52] <tgame14> it knows what to
look for
L860[15:22:06] <tgame14> all you see when
reading post death program is a big array of bytes
L861[15:22:08] <pong> you are freezing the
ram itself
L862[15:22:26] <pong> dissasembly can be
used to quickly tell whats executable
L863[15:22:35] <tgame14> HOW?
L864[15:22:43] <pong> bytes ->
assembly
L865[15:22:44] <tgame14> you are only
telling me its possible, not how
L866[15:22:51] <tgame14> wat
L867[15:22:56] <tgame14> how does assembly
even do anything
L868[15:23:03] <tgame14> you don't know
whats a reference and whats actual data
L869[15:23:06] <pong> finding out what a
computer is running
L870[15:23:08] <tgame14> or whats a key or
a value
L871[15:23:16] <pong> you can find
out
L872[15:23:16] <tgame14> or when sectioned
memory splits
L873[15:23:25] <tgame14> you cant pong
thats the thing
L874[15:23:33] <tgame14> if you take the
memory out, all you see is the bytes
L875[15:23:51] <pong> what does the CPU
see? bytes.
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L877[15:24:19] <Dean4Devil> but a CPU
usually knows why those bytes are there
L878[15:24:26] <Dean4Devil> and what to do
with them
L879[15:24:29] <Dean4Devil> you dont
L880[15:24:35] <tgame14> pong stop going
around the problem
L881[15:24:38] <tgame14> cpu knows what to
look for
L882[15:24:50] <pong> because the cpu is
executing instructions from ram
L883[15:24:50] <tgame14> you obviously
have no statement.. i shall move on
L884[15:25:16] <tgame14> yes but the
running workframe tells the cpu what is instructions and what
isn't
L885[15:25:16] <Dean4Devil> pong, are you
on linux?
L887[15:26:04] <Dean4Devil> have you
written machine code yet?
L888[15:26:10] <pong> somewhat
L889[15:26:23] <pong> ive injected
assembly into processes
L890[15:26:25] <tgame14> embedded systems
are fun :)
L891[15:26:32] <Dean4Devil> Then you
should know how the whole CPU-RAM stuffs working
L892[15:26:36] <pong> i do
L893[15:26:56] <tgame14> Dean4Devil,
answer for your question is no
L894[15:27:00] <tgame14> the simple
one
L895[15:27:10] <tgame14> the complex one
probably includes NSA shit hacking into your system :P
L896[15:27:29] <pong> the only information
you dont have vs runtime debugging is the registers
L897[15:27:30] <Dean4Devil> Then please:
Given a complete ramdump, how can you examine it and find out whats
data, etc?
L898[15:27:37] <Dean4Devil> tgame14:
ty
L899[15:28:02] <tgame14> Dean4Devil, for
the second question, you can't really
L900[15:28:07] <tgame14> byte data is
heavily encoded..
L901[15:28:23] <pong> its a raw dump from
C allocations
L902[15:28:36] <tgame14> why would it be
C?
L903[15:28:38] <tgame14> could be
anything
L904[15:28:41] <Dean4Devil> It a dump of
my server, go nuts :P
L905[15:28:55] <pong> if you can find the
OS's allocation table you can find out what ram belongs to what
process
L906[15:29:14] <tgame14> where do you find
the OS Allocation table then?
L907[15:29:29] <tgame14> Which again, you
can't know what it is or not..
L908[15:29:46] <pong> its harder to do on
a more complex OS
L909[15:29:59] <pong> but on a small
debian computer it would be easy
L910[15:30:02] <tgame14> i give up.. this
is pointless.
L911[15:30:17] <Dean4Devil> tgame14: For
the complex answer: Does it include breaking my system at
installation time or bringing malware into my system
afterwards?
L912[15:30:32] <Dean4Devil> pong:
challenge: do it
L913[15:30:41] <Dean4Devil> vm, debian
wheezy, 512MB RAM
L914[15:30:45] <Dean4Devil> go.
nuts.
L915[15:30:46] <tgame14> Dean4Devil,
complex answer is i don't know shit
L916[15:30:57] <tgame14> all i know is
what Michiyo linked
L917[15:31:03] <tgame14> which is pretty
impossible to decipher
L918[15:31:06] <tgame14> you would have to
ask the NSA :P
L919[15:31:18] <pong> :/ would have to use
a basic debugger over ssh
L920[15:31:22] <Dean4Devil> I just hope
that the NSA wont break into my PC until im already dead :P
L921[15:31:35] <Dean4Devil> pong: you give
up?
L922[15:31:45] <pong> nah
L923[15:32:24] <Gopher> random
observation: given, if you can touch it you can hack it, but the
record for easiest goes to OSX.
L924[15:32:26] <pong> id prefer CE or
something but i dont know how virtualbox stores ram
L925[15:32:40] <Gopher> if it has power
and a keyboard, you can be admin in under a minute.
L926[15:32:51] <Gopher> no other materials
required.
L927[15:33:16] <Dean4Devil> tgame14, does
being a computer science major include having a qualified opininon
on the topic of encryption? :P
L928[15:33:31] <tgame14> somewhat
L929[15:33:38] <pong> but, it is
waaaaaaaaaaaaay easier if you know what program you are
finding
L930[15:33:38] <tgame14> i do a specific
field in computer science
L931[15:33:50] <Dean4Devil> that would
be?
L932[15:34:03] <pong> if a program you
know has a specific format of storing values you can search for
it
L933[15:34:32] <tgame14> Dean4Devil, as
said, for your question, answer is no. its impossible to look at
010101010001 1010010101010 0010101010101 and make any possible
sense out of it
L934[15:34:55] <pong> depends
L935[15:34:56] <Dean4Devil> still, what is
the field you are working?
L936[15:35:03] <pong> usually you look at
large portions of data
L937[15:35:06] <pong> specific
patterns
L938[15:35:41] <pong> let me dump a lua
program and see if we can get a password for example
L939[15:35:48] <Dean4Devil> I'm pretty
sure my data is secure even if the police would want my pc right
now, just want to hear some other opinions :P
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L942[15:38:57] <pong> so, here is the
program
L944[15:39:12] <pong> i am changing the
password and dumping the lua executable
L945[15:40:49] <Gopher> so if the os were
written in lua, you'd be able to get all kinds of things out of a
ramdump? is that what you're saying?
L946[15:41:25] <pong> well if you dump the
RAM while the lua program is running
L947[15:41:43] <Dean4Devil> Gopher: A
Ramdump is hard do decipher no matter what language you're working
with
L948[15:42:47] <Gopher> well, you can
always search it for alphanumeric strings, though in a sizeable
ramdump there will be a lot of noise to filter out of the actual
strings, and the strings of value will likely not live in memory in
raw form for long
L949[15:42:57] <Gopher> in a lua program,
it's ... considerably less of an issue, lol
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L951[15:44:07] <Gopher> well, a /typical/
lua program. I suppose if you wrote some monsterous multi-meg
beast... but surely nobody does that.
L952[15:44:38] <Dean4Devil> yes, of
course, but data security outside of the scope of OC still is a
very interesting topic :D
L953[15:46:19] <pong> its pretty easy to
look for lua hashmaps
L954[15:46:38] <pong> once you have that
and you know what upvals you want
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L980[16:44:37] <pong> anyone find the
password?
L981[16:45:05] <Dean4Code> i thought you
gonna go find it :P
L982[16:46:03] <pong> but i already know
the password :P
L983[16:46:07] <pong> because i made the
program
L984[16:46:37] <Gopher> I don't remember
any part of the prior conversation that wasn't you talking about
how easily you could do it. Nothing about any of us offering to do
it.
L985[16:46:47] <pong> i made a horrible
algorithm to look for strings
L986[16:47:41] <pong> well, more of a
pattern
L987[16:48:52] <Nentify> Does/did the mod
have issues with os x?
L988[16:48:58] <Nentify> Saw some comments
about that, but it was a few months ago now
L989[16:50:16] <pong> havent heared
much
L990[16:50:48] <pong> problems happened in
the earlier versions when there wererent binaries for osx
L991[16:52:05] <Michiyo> Ok... who wants
to test OpenPrinter for me?
L992[16:54:23] <Nentify> Depends how
simple it is to use ;)
L993[16:54:41] <Michiyo> Pretty
simple?
L994[16:54:43] <Dean4Code> me! me! me!
:)
L995[16:54:51] <Dean4Code>
pleeeeeeeaaaaaaaseeeeee :D
L996[16:54:51] <Nentify> limited oc/lua
knowledge <--
L998[16:55:26] <Michiyo> wait wat
L999[16:55:34] <Nentify> nice commit names
:P
L1000[16:55:38] <Michiyo> :D
L1001[16:55:40] <Michiyo> but it
faild...
L1002[16:55:41] <Michiyo> wtf
L1003[16:55:54] <Michiyo> oh lmao
L1004[16:56:06] <Michiyo> I refactored
the packages, and didn't fix the build script
L1005[16:57:29] <Katie> o/
L1006[16:57:40] <Nentify> o/
L1007[16:57:40] <Michiyo> build 14 coming
up.
L1009[16:58:32] <Katie> o/ Michiyo
L1010[16:58:39] <Michiyo> Heya
L1011[16:58:45] <Katie> hows it
going
L1012[16:58:58] <Michiyo> Eh.. I should
be asleep ATM.. so crappy :P
L1014[17:00:09] <Michiyo> Printer Paper
is simply 2 sheets of paper shapeless, will net you 2 sheets of
printer paper.
L1015[17:00:34] <Katie> that sucks
L1016[17:00:46] <Michiyo> a 2x2 grid of
64 printer paper will net you a Paper Roll, which is 256 sheets in
one
L1017[17:01:51] <Michiyo> ink carts are
ink sac, ink sac, ink sac, empty, iron nugget, empty. and rose red,
cactus gree, lapis, empty, iron nugget, empty
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L1020[17:05:50] <Michiyo> lots of links..
lol
L1021[17:06:06] <Michiyo> ok, once you
have that... wrap the printer with op = component.openprinter
L1022[17:06:06] <Dean4Code> i like the
3D-Model :P
L1023[17:06:36] <Michiyo> then you can
call op.writeln("string") op.writeln("string2")
etc upto 20 times to add lines
L1024[17:06:45] <Michiyo> then op.print()
will write the page.
L1025[17:07:28] <Dean4Code> are the iron
nuggets dictionaried?
L1026[17:07:41] <Michiyo> you can set
color with op.writeln("string", 0xHEXCODE) eg 0xFFFFFF
will be white, 0xFF0000 will be Blue
L1027[17:07:46] <Michiyo> I'm not sure..
I used OC's
L1028[17:07:55] <Michiyo> If OC's are
Ordicted, then yes.
L1029[17:08:24] <Dean4Code> because i
cant craft inks, my nuggets are from Tinkers construct (waila
info)
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L1031[17:09:03] <Michiyo> :/
L1032[17:09:57] <Dean4Code> Also, i would
have an offset on the printed page. One line in every direction
;)
L1033[17:10:43] <Michiyo> That's for the
end user to decide :P
L1034[17:10:50] <ShadowKatStudios> :D
Wired connection is 'stable'
L1035[17:11:05] <Michiyo> Crap stupid
windows 8 making me restart...
L1036[17:11:13] <Nentify> Were you the
one with internet cutting when someone walked past
ShadowKatStudios?
L1037[17:11:28] <ShadowKatStudios> Yeah,
that was me
L1038[17:11:31] <Nentify> haha
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L1040[17:11:43] <Dean4Code> also you can
print over the border of the paper :P
L1041[17:11:48] <Nentify> Mine keeps
cutting wirelessly to my router too, just moved house. :P Ethernet
cable should be arriving soon though too \o/
L1042[17:11:53] <Michiyo> ugh...
brb
L1043[17:12:13] <Dean4Code> yay
L1044[17:12:18] <ShadowKatStudios> My
issue with using ethernet cables is I have to sit out in the
computer room rather than be lazy and stay in bed all day
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L1046[17:12:30] <Nentify> psh
L1047[17:12:35] <Nentify> Get a 30m
ethernet cable
L1048[17:12:52] <ShadowKatStudios> My mum
gets pissed if I put cables down
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L1050[17:12:56] <Dean4Code> Or get stable
Wi-Fi :P
L1051[17:12:58] <Nentify> haha
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L1054[17:13:45] <ShadowKatStudios> My
sister is staying with us recently so she's got her stuff connected
to the wifi and the router is rated for 5 devices and we had at
least 10 before she got here
L1055[17:14:04] <Dean4Code> Get a second
access point? :P
L1056[17:14:28] <ShadowKatStudios> That
has possibilities...
L1057[17:14:41] <ShadowKatStudios> I
wonder if this wireless-wired converter can be used in
reverse...
L1058[17:15:05] <Dean4Code> theoretically
yes, firmware may say no
L1059[17:15:23] <ShadowKatStudios> I have
all my desktop machines connected to the wireless network using a
converter
L1060[17:15:36] <ShadowKatStudios> I'd
have to forefit one of them for the input.
L1061[17:15:57] <Dean4Code> How many
desktops do you have? :O
L1062[17:16:06] <ShadowKatStudios>
~10
L1063[17:16:13] <ShadowKatStudios> My
school chucked them out
L1064[17:16:34] <ShadowKatStudios> I
could use wired-over-wireless sharing using one of the permenant
laptops...
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L1066[17:18:18] <Michiyo> Stoopid
updates.
L1067[17:18:26] <ShadowKatStudios> Stupid
W8
L1068[17:18:37] <ShadowKatStudios> That's
what it is.
L1069[17:18:41] <Michiyo> Eh I don't mind
W8
L1070[17:18:50] <Dean4Code> what are you
using?
L1071[17:18:51] <Michiyo> Other then that
one annoying feature :p
L1072[17:19:31] <Dean4Code> sks, what os
are you using?
L1073[17:19:45] <ShadowKatStudios> I'm on
W7 on the moment, but most of my computers have a linux of some
edescription
L1074[17:19:53] <ShadowKatStudios> This
is my school laptop though.
L1075[17:19:57] <Dean4Code> yay
L1076[17:20:31] <ShadowKatStudios> I
should buy a second laptop HDD and install linux on that, and swap
when needed.
L1077[17:20:42] <Michiyo> Ok.. so I need
Sangar.. who has been away for.. 30 hours :( lol
L1078[17:20:48] <ShadowKatStudios> I'm
stuck using 32-bit Windows on a 64-bit machine unfortunately.
L1079[17:21:53] <ping> okay
L1080[17:22:04] <ping> i made le
program
L1081[17:22:07] <Dean4Code> My school is
filled with small kids who think that they are computer pros and
know absolutely everything over Computers and software and
programing but have never seen nor heard of linux and they have no
idea how a cpu works -.-"
L1082[17:22:33] <Dean4Code> But try to
tell me how a CPU works
L1083[17:23:18] <Dean4Code> ping, on a
completely unrelated notice, your dump says "masterrace"
shortly after some Windows definitions
L1084[17:23:46] <ping> well, the password
is ping masterrace
L1086[17:24:04] <Dean4Code> ng masterrace
is in cleartext in the dump
L1087[17:24:16] <ping> i could make it
much better but i would need to look into the lua source more
L1089[17:25:21] <Dean4Code> Also, is you
name kevin?
L1091[17:25:33] <ping> no, but its this
laptops username
L1092[17:25:39] <Dean4Code> oh, ok
L1093[17:26:18] <ping> oh and
L1094[17:26:24] <ping> forgot to remove
something
L1095[17:27:25] <Dean4Code> 000e3310 -
000e3420 is also cool
L1096[17:27:35] <Dean4Code> its basically
the code in cleartext
L1097[17:28:37] <ping> yeah
L1098[17:28:39] <ping> noticed that
L1099[17:29:44] <Dean4Code> Well, im
tired. Good n8 to yall :)
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L1101[17:29:53] <ping> bai
L1102[17:30:05] <ShadowKatStudios>
Night
L1103[17:30:19] <DeanAsleep> more like
morning, but yes :P
L1104[17:33:57] <ShadowKatStudios> I can
relate to that occasionally
L1106[17:34:40] <ping> there
L1107[17:35:04] <ping> one or two of
those are my password
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L1112[17:38:56] <ShadowKatStudios> :D
Connecting works!
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L1115[17:46:02] <ShadowKatStudios> I'm
too used to 'other languages', I'm accidentally using != rather
than ~=
L1116[17:46:58] <Gopher> heh.
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L1118[18:09:29] <ShadowKatStudios> Hmm,
my system may 'work' but it isn't very effective
L1119[18:11:05] <Gopher> 'splain?
L1120[18:15:34] <ShadowKatStudios> The
connection ping derps out
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L1122[18:15:43] <Gopher> hmm
L1123[18:16:07] <ping> WAT
L1124[18:16:10] <ping> wat*
L1125[18:16:25] <Gopher> wat wat?
L1126[18:16:51] <ShadowKatStudios> It
could be an issue with events.
L1127[18:19:16] <ShadowKatStudios> Yeah,
events derps out
L1128[18:21:33] <ShadowKatStudios> That's
a pain.
L1129[18:21:58] <ShadowKatStudios>
Polling-based it is.
L1130[18:25:51] <Gopher> how is events
"derping out?"
L1131[18:25:58] <ShadowKatStudios> Not
being pushed/recieved
L1132[18:26:01] <Gopher> you mean
event.listener / event.timer?
L1133[18:26:34] <ShadowKatStudios> The
program itself works fine waiting for "modem_message",
but if I wait for "NCP-CRQ" it never comes
L1134[18:27:27] <ShadowKatStudios>
Anyway, I implimented an event stack.
L1135[18:28:18] <ping> use
event.listen
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L1138[18:35:25] <ShadowKatStudios> Nope,
event.listen doesn't work.
L1139[18:36:22] <Gopher> you still have
to be calling event.pull for event.listen or event.timer events to
actually happen.
L1140[18:36:33] <Gopher> other than that,
I've not run into a problem with them?
L1141[18:36:41] <Gopher> They /do/ fail
silently if there's an error in the handler function you
provide
L1142[18:38:27] <ShadowKatStudios> I know
about that.
L1143[18:38:30] <Gopher> there's
supposedly a log created somewhere in /tmp I think with the
errors?
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L1145[18:39:07] <Gopher> then I dunno
what to tell you. I've made pretty extensive use of event.listen
and had no issues but those I've just enumerated.
L1146[18:40:14] <ShadowKatStudios> I have
a functioning event stack, so that's fine.
L1147[18:40:44] <ping> .h
event.onError
L1148[18:40:45] <^v> ping,
event.onError(message: any) Global event callback error handler. If
an event listener throws an error, we handle it in this function to
avoid it bubbling into unrelated code (that only triggered the
execution by calling event.pull).
L1149[18:41:03] <ping> so
event.onError=error
L1150[18:42:32] <ShadowKatStudios> Aaand
it works fine this time.
L1151[18:42:37] <ShadowKatStudios> Damn
you events.
L1152[18:42:44] <ShadowKatStudios> I need
a drink.
L1153[18:45:51] <ShadowKatStudios>
Small-scale stuff might be hard, but large scale servers will be
easy.
L1154[18:45:57] <ping> alright
L1155[18:46:01] <ping> back to memory
h4x
L1156[18:48:17] <ping> ive found out how
to find strings and modify them and their length to an extent
L1157[18:50:32] <dangranos> so many spam
on forums >_<
L1158[18:50:45] <ping> ik
L1160[18:59:17] <dangranos> lol
L1161[18:59:22] <dangranos> >DO NOT
PLACE THE BLOCK! ELSE THE SERVER WILL CRASH!
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L1164[19:05:45] <ping> wow
L1165[19:05:45]
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L1167[19:13:13] <Gopher> that... is
pretty epic XD
L1168[19:13:29] <Gopher> I like there's a
whole list of mods removed because they crashed the server
first
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L1171[19:13:44] <Gopher> then "oh
and my super-special-awesome mod, guaranteed to crash the server if
you do the most obvious thing ever"
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L1174[19:38:39] <mallrat208> hah
L1175[19:39:29] <ping> wat dafack
L1176[19:39:34] <ping> heaven is for
real
L1177[19:40:10] <ping> why are you giving
me these ads google
L1178[19:40:58] <Gopher> ads for
heaven?
L1179[19:41:06] <ping> no, the
movie
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L1182[19:57:17] <ShadowKatStudios>
Hmmm...
L1183[19:58:08] <ShadowKatStudios>
Network API rewrite time
L1184[19:58:23] <ShadowKatStudios> Same
protocol, but more than one connection for each load of the API!
:D
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L1186[20:01:13] <ping> wat
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L1189[20:03:53] <ping>
You.Cant.Afford.This.Sexy.Host-Na.me
L1190[20:03:55] <ping> nice
hostname
L1192[20:04:13] <Death> I reloaded my
bot, yelled at it
L1193[20:04:19] <Death> and that's all
:P
L1194[20:04:29] <ping> my god
L1195[20:04:32] <ping> upsidown
now?
L1196[20:04:44] <ping> i thought the
taskbar on the right was bad
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L1201[20:10:07] <Death> I have never had
my taskbar on teh right?
L1202[20:10:29] <ping> idk
L1203[20:12:29] <lclc98> thanks :)
L1204[20:16:28] <ShadowKatStudios> Oh
cool, 'set PS1=sks>' will make all the lines start with
sks>
L1205[20:18:00] <Gopher> I prefer set
PS1='$PWD>'
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L1208[20:19:04] <ShadowKatStudios> Oh,
cool, that works?
L1209[20:19:23] <Gopher> yawp. The '' are
required, or it evaluates once before setting
L1210[20:20:01] <ShadowKatStudios> That's
cool.
L1211[20:20:05] <ShadowKatStudios> That's
really cool.
L1212[20:21:43] *
JoshTheEnder bows to the members of this room and exits in a puff
of smoke
L1213[20:21:52] <SuPeRMiNoR2>
JoshTheEnder,
L1214[20:22:02] <SuPeRMiNoR2> I thought
you were sleeping :P
L1215[20:22:06] <ShadowKatStudios> set
PS1='root@sks:$PWD> '
L1216[20:22:11] <JoshTheEnder>
internet....
L1217[20:22:20] <ShadowKatStudios> Sleep
is for the weak
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L1220[20:26:31] <Kenny> says the guy who
sleeps all day
L1221[20:27:43] <ping> sleep is for the
week … i am week and gtg bed
L1222[20:27:58] <ShadowKatStudios> For
the weak or people in different time zones.
L1223[20:28:10] <ShadowKatStudios> Sleep
is for the weak or people in different time zones. *
L1224[20:28:54] <ShadowKatStudios> This
computer just died from lack of energy o.O
L1225[20:30:10] <ping> .-.
L1226[20:30:13] <ping> goodjob
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L1228[20:32:41] <ping> ah
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L1230[20:33:08] <ping> it seems the
segment of code left in memory was unallocated
L1231[20:33:15] <ShadowKatStudios> Not
enough power output it seems
L1232[20:33:27] <ping> explains why it is
cut off
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L1234[20:35:47] <ShadowKatStudios> More
capacitors >:O
L1235[20:36:41] <ping> :O
L1236[20:37:05] <ShadowKatStudios> Also a
wall of generators now
L1237[20:37:15] <ShadowKatStudios> I make
200RF/t now
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L1239[20:37:40] <Gopher> 200? O_o
L1240[20:37:41] <Kenny> !op
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L1242[20:37:54] <Kenny> !deop
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L1244[20:38:02] <Gopher> do you mean
400?
L1245[20:38:22] <ShadowKatStudios> I
don't know
L1246[20:38:28] <Gopher> 200 would be 2.5
TE dynamos. Or you using some other mod's RF production?
L1247[20:38:39] <ShadowKatStudios> I'm
using EnderIO
L1248[20:39:00] <ShadowKatStudios> Does
anyone have any hashing functions? I need a way to encode
passwords.
L1249[20:39:18] <Gopher> just a sec
L1251[20:40:19] <Gopher> will have to
replace bit with bit32, was done for CC
L1252[20:40:41] <ShadowKatStudios> Okay,
after I have a login program, I'll reimpliment the shell
L1253[20:40:54] <ShadowKatStudios> I want
to be able to use the shell over a network
L1254[20:41:17] <ShadowKatStudios> Be
careful which relays you use, it'd be easy to log what's sent
through them.
L1255[20:41:26] <ping> wasnt that
stolen
L1256[20:41:44] <ping> oh, thought it was
gravityscore
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L1258[20:42:36] <ping> gravity stole a
bunch of code
L1259[20:42:57] <ShadowKatStudios> Also,
Gopher, did you manage to have 2 shell running at the same
time?
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L1261[20:43:02] <ping> yes
L1262[20:43:03] <ping> he did
L1263[20:43:07] <Gopher> I did, but it
was messy
L1264[20:43:18] <ShadowKatStudios> Is it
possible to have a clean version
L1265[20:43:24] <ShadowKatStudios> Also
to put it over a network?
L1266[20:43:58] <ping> you mean
ssh?
L1267[20:44:02] <ping> thts pretty
easy
L1268[20:44:18] <ShadowKatStudios> A
network-implimented GPU would be cool
L1269[20:44:44] <ping> pretty easy
L1270[20:46:25] <ping> you can directly
send parameters
L1271[20:46:29] <ping> shouldnt need
buffering
L1272[20:47:03] <ShadowKatStudios>
Indeed
L1273[20:47:14] <ShadowKatStudios> I
might do that later, once I get my network protocol working
L1274[20:47:25] <ShadowKatStudios> Also,
you can access tables like t[1].derp apparently
L1275[20:49:27] <ShadowKatStudios> Makes
my life easier.
L1276[20:50:18] <ping> yes
L1277[20:50:24] <ping> yes you can
L1279[20:55:10] <Death> ShadowKatStudios:
you can also t[1]["derp"]
L1280[20:55:27] <ShadowKatStudios> Is the
8k packet limit for each paramater or for the whole thing?
L1281[20:55:53] <ping> whole
probably
L1282[20:56:48] <ShadowKatStudios> Darn,
it is
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L1284[20:59:48] <ShadowKatStudios> :(
I'll have to have a decently short ID string for the message to be
useful
L1285[21:00:14] <ShadowKatStudios> Maybe
an 8-byte base-48 string
L1286[21:00:45] <Gopher> base 48?
O_o
L1287[21:00:56] <ShadowKatStudios> All
the printable chars
L1288[21:01:03] <ShadowKatStudios>
32-127
L1289[21:01:04] <Gopher> ...
L1290[21:01:09] <Gopher> 48?
L1291[21:01:19] <ShadowKatStudios> Shut
up.
L1292[21:01:24] <Gopher> Think with me
here. How many letters in the alphabet? lol
L1293[21:01:59] <Gopher> use base 64.
:)
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L1295[21:02:18] <Gopher>
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789-_
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L1300[21:08:39] <ShadowKatStudios> while
true do term.setCursor(math.random(1,80),math.random(1,25))
term.write(string.char(math.random,32,126)) end
L1301[21:10:53] <ShadowKatStudios> while
true do term.setCursor(math.random(1,80),math.random(1,25))
term.write(string.char(math.random(32,126))) end
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L1303[21:12:31] <Gopher> ok...
L1304[21:12:38] <ping> ShadowKatStudios,
y u no unicode too?
L1305[21:13:15] <Gopher> it's utf8. Using
anything but the basic ascii set will bloat your strings.
L1306[21:15:08] <ShadowKatStudios> .lua a
= "" n = 0 repeat a=a..string.char(math.random(32,126)) n
= n + 1 until n == 128 print(a)
L1307[21:15:08] <^v> ShadowKatStudios,
bD=Qa*\Ls
cH2C|Io.Yb]t$wc2IBs4fGW@:2aiY%\-:BgpVJu.b7:rDGd_^A1bT(g`HDz*~}\n@E-B=39WG)Iu]qfQM<C23Qpb%Iec@q80h8KyD@;^D[<cz-@;UJ~C|)
| nil
L1308[21:16:10] <ping> io.write
works
L1309[21:16:13] <ShadowKatStudios> .lua a
= "" n = 0 repeat a=a..string.char(math.random(32,126)) n
= n + 1 until n == 256 print(a)
L1310[21:16:13] <^v> ShadowKatStudios,
"n$}M;n5ack@"EC\Dj9@A_{t]L+1>0_$YP^9nqPG5;{f0^/K_a3`L6j8l]~w/<!cl?vOfX
4pu0cSM\&%vCoZ2sNHFECs\58{OH(1w;vwc)NaEM`.rh&9GrzZZt*%`,L{[V,*0\{>?1x6n]^)C.=va]2!Xn@>jm;4gRERWW}LiaYm+CRU_)+&bFsn#?x>8^n]=69N;{f<JZ`)P2}iDyg:$[sf&>Ef;@@e,Il#?t/<.i!j.vqIUl',5#1"3Lw=|l8
| nil
L1311[21:16:17] <ping> stop
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L1313[21:18:27] <ShadowKatStudios> I'm
testing randomness
L1314[21:21:28] <Death> And there's
channels for bot spam
L1315[21:21:33] <Death> which you're
clearly using already
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L1325[21:57:05] <ShadowKatStudios> So I
made a function that mixes a string, anyone want to see?
L1326[22:00:58] <Gopher> sure
L1327[22:01:47] <ShadowKatStudios> .lua
function mix(str) a = "" t={}
str:gsub(".",function(c) table.insert(t,c) end) n = 0
repeat table.insert(t,table.remove(t,math.random(1,#t))) n =n + 1
until n == 128 for k,v in pairs(t) do a = a..v if
str:find("ping") ~= nil then a=a.." ping "end
end return(a) end print(mix("Hi Gopher, this function mixes a
string :D"))
L1328[22:01:47] <^v> ShadowKatStudios,
stmire spfnx hGDoahi si,t no tHenir: giuc | nil
L1329[22:02:06] <ShadowKatStudios> .lua
function mix(str) a = "" t={}
str:gsub(".",function(c) table.insert(t,c) end) n = 0
repeat table.insert(t,table.remove(t,math.random(1,#t))) n =n + 1
until n == 128 for k,v in pairs(t) do a = a..v if
str:find("ping") ~= nil then a=a.." ping "end
end return(a) end print(mix("It also has troll value in that
if the string contains the world 'ping'"))
L1330[22:02:07] <^v> ShadowKatStudios, l
ping o ping u ping ping t ping h ping e ping s ping o ping r ping t
ping r ping ping ping h ping t ping ping ' ping r ping l ping t
ping h ping a ping l ping n ping o ping v ping s ping h ping i ping
i ping ping ' ping i ping d ping e ping c ping g ping t ping o ping
n ping ping I ping t ping n ping i ping ping a ping n ping p ping a
ping a ping n ping ping ping l ping w ping s ping f ping g ping e
ping
L1331[22:02:14] <Gopher> staph ffs
L1332[22:02:22] <ShadowKatStudios> Then
ping gets pinged a lot ;P
L1333[22:02:26] <ShadowKatStudios> I'll
stop
L1334[22:02:39] <ping> ffs
L1335[22:03:04] <Gopher> you could just
try this for i=#str,1,-1 do local j=math.random(i)
str=str:sub(1,j-1)..str:sub(j+1)..str:sub(j,j) end
L1336[22:03:17] <ShadowKatStudios> I
could, but I apparently don't :P
L1337[22:04:31] <Gopher> .lua
str="Herpderp" for i=#str,2,-1 do local j=math.random(i)
str=str:sub(1,j-1)..str:sub(j+1)..str:sub(j,j) end print(str)
L1338[22:04:31] <^v> Gopher, Hdrerppe |
nil
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L1347[22:47:14] <ShadowKatStudios> I have
created encryption, I challenge people not in #ocbots to decrypt
this: H(l!`!ffmjtt
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L1355[23:12:23] <ping> yay Vexatos
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L1357[23:18:22] <Kenny> ping id it
possible to launch a program from the autorun.lua file?
L1358[23:18:27] <Kenny> id=is
L1359[23:18:40] <ping> yeah
L1360[23:18:46] <Kenny> how would i do
it
L1361[23:19:00] <ping>
shell.execute
L1362[23:19:32] <Kenny> so
shell.execute("CompViewer.lua") would run the
program?
L1363[23:19:55] <ping> yeah
L1364[23:20:02] <Kenny> thanks :)
L1365[23:39:36] <Vexatos> The fact that
you are writing a PHP document while knowing nothing about PHP... I
love it >____>
L1366[23:43:03] <ping> fff PHP
L1367[23:43:05] <ping> plsno
L1368[23:43:42] <ShadowKatStudios> I once
stitched together a PHP script out of example code because I had no
idea what it was.
L1369[23:44:35] <ping> one time i
actually knew PHP
L1370[23:44:38] <ping> ive unlearned
it
L1371[23:44:43] <ping> for the best
L1372[23:46:03] <ShadowKatStudios> How
would I set PS1 without using the 'set' command?
L1373[23:46:07] <ShadowKatStudios> Like,
using Lua?
L1374[23:46:38] <ping> os.setenv?
L1375[23:46:50] <ping> i dont think you
can
L1376[23:47:41] <ShadowKatStudios> You
can apparently
L1377[23:47:54] <ping> idk, havent done
much with it
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