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L160[18:41:30] <LexManos> !gm
func_76224_d
L161[18:42:33] <gigaherz> Sometimes I wish
the bot would reply with the name in public, I'm now curious what
func_76224_d is but i don't want to just repeat the !gm command to
see for myself :P
L162[18:44:05] <xaero> could be a bot
feature to subscribe to private notices of ! queries *cough*
bspkrs
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L164[18:46:06] <xaero> OTOH that might be
spammy and get itself kicked
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L172[20:06:46] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> PM the bot, then no one knows you did it ?
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L178[21:24:32] <Lord_Ralex> is there some
link somewhere that explains the differences between
"latest" and recommended on the file server, just so i
don't have to constantly tell people
L179[21:54:01] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> use !mcpm
L180[21:54:22] <kashike> latest = fresh
off the tree before it's ripe, may taste bad; recommended = picked
when ripe, ready to eat
L181[21:54:27] <kashike> there you go
Lord_Ralex
L182[21:56:52] <Lord_Ralex> yeah, telling
that to users is a pita
L183[22:03:44] <ForgeDiscord>
<liach> uhh forge recommended frequently lacks good features
and bugfixes
L184[22:06:30] <ForgeDiscord>
<killjoy> recommended could be ripe.. but it could also be
rotten
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L195[23:26:52] <LexManos> Its only rotten
if people dont inform me shits broken.
L196[23:27:24] <LexManos> Picking a rec
build is largely arbitrary. Its SUPOSED to be based on modder
feedback and feature stabelization/adoption.
L197[23:27:40] <LexManos> But that
requires modders actually communicating
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L199[23:29:52] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> are we supposed to here about RecBuilds before they
happen? or is there some sort of cooling off period for a
commit-ref before its made recommended?
L200[23:29:58] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> hear* about
L201[23:30:21] <LexManos> ...
L202[23:30:26] <LexManos> What did I just
say?
L203[23:34:31] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> I'm trying to ascertain the how and when about that
communication
L204[23:35:56] <LexManos> Has a new
feature been added to Forge? Or has it been a couple months? Do you
feel like there should be another rec build? Pretty much
anything.
L205[23:36:09] <LexManos> I procrastinate
it a lot because I dont like writing the release posts
L206[23:36:47] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> I believe the 'rotten' refers to the dep extraction
stuff which supposedly broke some mods, and was in a rec release
before anyone noticed
L207[23:37:26] <LexManos> ya thats the
issue
L208[23:37:35] <LexManos> It was in the
latest build for a bit
L209[23:37:45] <LexManos> and its PR was
open and visibile for months
L210[23:38:04] <LexManos> But nobody said
anything until it hit rec, and then it was fixed in <24
hours
L211[23:38:07] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> which is why im asking about the "cooling off
period", quantifying the "a bit"
L212[23:39:04] <LexManos> There is no hard
number
L213[23:39:07] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> very few people test their mods with every single
forge build too
L214[23:39:15] <LexManos> if there was a
hard number then I would of writen a script to mark shit
recomended
L215[23:39:26] <LexManos> Like I said its
all fairly arbitrary
L216[23:40:30] <LexManos> The *general*
concept is Modders: Use latest, ALWAYS. Users: Use Rec
L217[23:41:04] <LexManos> If, as a user,
you're forced to use a build higer then rec by a mod. Then that
modder should probably talk to me about bumping the rec build
L218[23:41:33] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> most modders wont be using latest
L219[23:42:36] <LexManos> msot modders are
wrong
L220[23:42:51] <LexManos> We're talking
what should happen, not what does
L221[23:44:01] <ForgeDiscord>
<tterrag> imo it is bad practice to develop against a version
of forge which I do not require at runtime
L222[23:44:07] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> things shouldnt break either, but they do
L223[23:44:10] <ForgeDiscord>
<tterrag> I could very easily accidentally use a feature that
is not present in my minimum forge version
L224[23:44:33] <LexManos> That is a valid
concern yes.
L225[23:44:34] <ForgeDiscord>
<tterrag> I try and keep up with new things, but it's not
really feasible to know every new thing that goes in to forge
L226[23:44:46] <LexManos> But we're
talking about how rec builds become rec builds.
L227[23:44:54] <ForgeDiscord>
<tterrag> so in the end, I just leave forge at whatever
version it's at unless I specifically need something newer
L228[23:44:59] <LexManos> Its not feasible
for a single modder to know everything no.
L229[23:45:25] <LexManos> Just like its
not feasible for a single Forge developer to know and test
everything in every mod out there.
L230[23:45:26] <LexManos> BUT
L231[23:45:33] <LexManos> There are
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of modders
L232[23:45:49] <LexManos> Thats the
point.
L233[23:45:59] <ForgeDiscord>
<tterrag> hyperbole, but I see your point
L234[23:46:19] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> was the feature in question tested against any mod
that was known to use the system, prior to rec?
L235[23:46:33] <ForgeDiscord>
<tterrag> afaik the mod repo stuff still isn't in rec?
L236[23:46:48] <LexManos> Okay maybe the
low hundreds of thousands, but the stats point to more then 100,000
modders if you include the crappy people who never get past
copy/pasting examplemod
L237[23:46:49] <ForgeDiscord>
<tterrag> rec is 2655 atm no?
L238[23:47:05] <LexManos> Dunno, whats the
site say?
L239[23:47:17] <ForgeDiscord>
<tterrag> 2655
L240[23:47:29] <ForgeDiscord>
</dev/illy> maybe time based rec builds would make sense if
rec builds are arbritary?
L242[23:48:07] <ForgeDiscord>
<Thiakil> why are ppl complaining about rec then ?
L243[23:48:32] <ForgeDiscord>
<tterrag> well, my concern with "broken" things
even in latest is that lots of users have been conditioned to
ignore the recommended rating entirely and just always use
latest
L244[23:49:08] <LexManos> they have been
conditioned by modders who make hard deps on versions >
rec
L245[23:49:19] <LexManos> See my previous
point about modders needing to speak up
L246[23:49:44] <ForgeDiscord>
<tterrag> fair enough. just saying it's a problem, not that
it's anyone's fault