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L62[11:16:15] <ben_mkiv> so... anyone getting smart from this stacktrace? https://pastebin.com/WvgWAAMR
L63[11:16:35] <ben_mkiv> the annoying thing is that the error doesnt happen when running in Idea
L64[11:17:16] <ben_mkiv> stacktrace starts at line 416
L65[11:23:13] <ben_mkiv> dont read it, might have found the issue
L66[11:24:16] <ben_mkiv> yea dont mind me please...
L67[11:24:41] <ben_mkiv> didnt override getStackInSlot for my class which extends ItemStackHandler
L68[11:24:53] <ben_mkiv> but if someone understands why i have to do this at all... feel free to explain xD
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L81[11:53:18] <ben_mkiv> actually i got the source of 5 mods in one idea project... am i right that i can move each to its own module and still use "crosslinks" within idea? like list me each call of a method but for all modules?
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L102[13:26:07] <LexManos> [18:03:40] [main/WARN] [FML]: * Could not determine owning mod for @SidedProxy on <PROFILE NAME>.openglasses.OpenGlasses for mod urbanmechs
L103[13:26:16] <LexManos> Yup yup, just ignore those things.. thats fine...
L104[13:26:36] <gigaherz> o_O
L105[13:26:41] <gigaherz> wait
L106[13:26:58] <gigaherz> is that "<PROFILE NAME>" minecraft's auto-censoring logs?
L107[13:27:33] <ben_mkiv> lex its because i've disabled some mods for the build...
L108[13:27:40] <ben_mkiv> no thats multimc log censoring
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L111[13:49:31] <ben_mkiv> is it possible to share source within different mods (modules) in idea?
L112[13:52:32] <gigaherz> hmm besides using a library used by both
L113[13:52:35] <gigaherz> I don't know
L114[13:53:03] <ben_mkiv> libary used by both means compile the module, and add that source lib to the other module as dependency?
L115[13:53:52] <gigaherz> no
L116[13:53:57] <gigaherz> it means one of the modules is a dependency of both
L117[13:54:06] <gigaherz> you can specify other modules in gradle
L118[13:54:11] <gigaherz> as compile-time or runtime classpaths
L119[13:54:34] <gigaherz> the sitaution would be a bit like:
L120[13:55:01] <ben_mkiv> maybe i should just create symlinks xD
L121[13:55:26] <gigaherz> main project with forge setup using setupDecompWorkspace -depends on-> multiple mod projects -depends on-> shared libaries
L122[13:55:28] <gigaherz> either that or
L123[13:55:44] <gigaherz> multiple mod projects each with its own setupDecompWorkspace -depends on-> shared libaries
L124[13:55:58] <gigaherz> but I don't know that the latter is a good idea
L125[13:57:07] <ben_mkiv> i think im going the later way with what i've started...
L126[13:57:08] <ben_mkiv> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=7af341fb3f219d4de1cbc890be382763
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L128[13:57:36] <ben_mkiv> actually i have no idea what im doing, had all the mods in the same module before and want to split them up now....
L129[13:57:53] <ben_mkiv> so what i got now is a multiple mod project i guess
L130[13:58:08] <gigaherz> "a mess" you could say? :P
L131[13:58:47] <ben_mkiv> that would be a compliment
L132[13:58:56] <ben_mkiv> because actually everything is broken xD
L133[13:59:21] <ben_mkiv> if anyone has a setup with multiple mods, and could make a screenshot for me that would be nice
L134[13:59:35] <ben_mkiv> idea is pretty complex, and its good to know what the goal should look alike xD
L135[14:00:29] <ben_mkiv> feels like i've created the mods in a wrong way, as they are all submods of the mainmod?
L136[14:01:30] <gigaherz> I haven't actually done it, so I can't show examples of gradle files set up that way
L137[14:01:33] <gigaherz> I only know the theory
L138[14:01:57] <ben_mkiv> you have that commons dependency in your survivalist mod
L139[14:02:01] <ben_mkiv> are those seperate idea projects?
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L149[15:17:20] <ForgeDiscord> <Yslohr> I generally do one project per mod
L150[15:17:32] <ForgeDiscord> <Yslohr> it is really the easiest way to go about it
L151[15:17:34] <ForgeDiscord> <Yslohr> else...
L152[15:17:37] <gigaherz> yep
L153[15:17:37] <ForgeDiscord> <Yslohr> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
L154[15:17:43] <gigaherz> even my lib mod is a separate mod
L155[15:17:46] <gigaherz> when I update something
L156[15:18:01] <gigaherz> I compile, push to maven, then update version on the other mod, and rerun setupDecomp
L157[15:18:09] <gigaherz> it's annoying, but the library mod doesn't change that often ;P
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L169[16:21:09] <bartman> wow people still talking in here too thought everyone moved to discord
L170[16:21:50] <Lord_Ralex> not everyone can/will
L171[16:21:59] <bartman> indeed
L172[16:22:52] <gigaherz> I have 0 interest on using discord on a day-to-day basis
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L174[16:24:07] <bartman> I use to live on irc slowly moved away myself
L175[16:24:23] <bartman> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L176[16:27:50] <Lord_Ralex> irc at work, discord at home
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L179[16:54:06] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> there is a bridge, so the stubborn mules can stay on irc while all the cool cats move to discord.
L180[16:54:44] <ben_mkiv> which misses like 50% of all the messages?
L181[16:54:49] <ben_mkiv> or even more^
L182[16:54:59] <ForgeDiscord> <Ben> nvm
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L184[16:56:27] <Lord_Ralex> you aint cool ;)
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L186[16:57:04] <ben_mkiv> also gigaherz seems to be pretty easy with idea once you know how to do it :>
L187[16:57:14] <ben_mkiv> project structure => and then import the IML of the 2nd mod
L188[16:57:29] <ben_mkiv> also you can set the dependency within idea, so you dont have to push your source libs around
L189[16:57:58] <gigaherz> hmm but that won't really be reflected in the build.gradle files, so it won't happen automatically when you import?
L190[16:58:26] <ben_mkiv> the dependency is seperate from the gradle dependency i guess
L191[16:58:38] <ben_mkiv> just to keep compiled modules "sync" within dev environment
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L199[17:46:49] <kashike> bartman: lots of people, myself included, prefer IRC :)
L200[17:48:58] <ForgeDiscord> <Prospector> wait what why do you have a pic?
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L202[17:49:12] <ForgeDiscord> <Prospector> https://i.imgur.com/sphd7Vr.png
L203[17:49:39] <xaero> just because he prefers IRC doesn't mean he doesn't also use both
L204[17:49:55] <xaero> oh not sure about the pic - maybe the bot is being smart and sending the right user metadata?
L205[17:50:03] <kashike> yes
L206[17:50:10] <xaero> but +1 IRC for me as well :P
L207[17:50:34] <ForgeDiscord> <Prospector> whoa, how does the bot know it's you though
L208[17:50:36] <ForgeDiscord> <Prospector> that's weird
L209[17:51:07] <kashike> https://media0.giphy.com/media/12NUbkX6p4xOO4/giphy.gif
L210[17:51:14] <ForgeDiscord> <Prospector> at least on the discord side, this is probably the best bridge bot I've ever seen
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L213[18:06:20] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> well it's the same name
L214[18:20:04] <ForgeDiscord> <Prospector> multiple discord users can have the same name though
L215[18:20:26] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> bots are special
L216[18:30:21] <ForgeDiscord> <Drullkus> Yeah
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L219[19:11:53] <Thiakil> Witchcraft!
L220[19:12:24] <Thiakil> but how does it do it..?
L221[19:13:14] <kashike> you just said the answer to your question
L222[19:13:17] <kashike> witchcraft
L223[19:14:00] <ForgeDiscord> <Thiakil> ?
L224[19:18:51] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> It’s actually a tiny wizard sitting inside a server somewhere
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L226[19:20:51] <ForgeDiscord> <blu> seems like it's using webhooks
L227[20:09:50] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> the bot? nah, changes it's nickname
L228[20:10:10] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> (i'd guess, but doesn't look anything like webhooks)
L229[20:10:13] <ForgeDiscord> <kashike> no, it uses webhooks
L230[20:10:19] <ForgeDiscord> <kashike> https://github.com/reactiflux/discord-irc#webhooks
L231[20:10:28] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> well there ya go XD
L232[20:10:52] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> webhooks... that'd be a good idea for my bot... thanks
L233[20:12:12] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> didn't think it was webhooks simply because it wasn't using the Embeds (which i've always seen webhooks use embeds for their messages, which i tend to hate in a constant fashion)
L234[20:16:01] <Thiakil> yeah the rename thing is a nice touch, even if it gets weird when you click on the avi of a previous message
L235[20:16:21] <Thiakil> it doesnt seem to like my avatar tho haha
L236[20:16:49] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> lol
L237[20:17:07] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> heheh no kidding. I'm making my own bot, and i think i may just use webhooks for the naming
L238[20:30:44] <LexManos> Much better: http://puu.sh/Aav9J/5b7c653583.png No more bot name.
L239[20:31:15] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> you're using cozy layout?
L240[20:31:27] <LexManos> irccloud.
L241[20:31:28] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> or is that irc?
L242[20:35:41] <LexManos> Ama wrote a chrome addon to collapse bot names, its now working correctly with the fact that I have 4 different channels with Relay bots in it. Now all the bots are gone and its just like normal people. Only issue is I can't ban directly, but that would require even more work.
L243[20:36:13] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> make it togglable?
L244[20:39:45] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> nice work!
L245[20:40:40] <LexManos> naw itd have to be something like changing the whole kick/ban input box to somehow send !kick instead of /kick. Not sure if thats possible.
L246[20:41:10] <LexManos> Well its possible, not sure if its worth it. Just gunna leave it as for now and hope nobody pisses me off enough to implement it.
L247[20:41:48] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> I.. kind of want to see a comic of that
L248[20:42:16] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> hahaha, good point, hopefully you don't need it
L249[20:42:17] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> or simply a drawing
L250[20:42:18] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> lex, don't code angry.
L251[20:42:19] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> hehe
L252[20:43:01] <gigaherz> heh, I guess I could write a script on my mirc, to also remove the bot name
L253[20:43:18] <gigaherz> or rather, shorten it :P
L254[20:43:59] <gigaherz> but nah, can't really be bothered
L255[20:44:19] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> XD
L256[20:44:25] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> lazy arse ?
L257[20:44:28] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> giga, don't code angry
L258[20:44:37] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> no, code Furious!
L259[20:45:08] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> also don't code with a headache. man i write crappy code then XD
L260[20:45:20] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> don't code
L261[20:45:27] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> it's a boring profession
L262[20:45:33] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> Wouldn't you rather be a racecar driver?
L263[20:45:54] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> XD, honestly no
L264[20:45:55] <gigaherz> I'd arther be a creative director or something like that
L265[20:46:05] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> a professional gamer?
L266[20:46:15] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> i'd rather be dead.. coding keeps me alive XD
L267[20:46:17] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> in a game that features programming
L268[20:46:25] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> Oh yeah, professional gamer maybe
L269[20:46:33] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> as long as i don't have to worry about money XD
L270[20:46:36] <gigaherz> I'd hate being a professional gamer
L271[20:46:38] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> pro gamer who plays garry's mod with wiremod
L272[20:46:38] <gigaherz> too much stress
L273[20:46:50] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> just do weekly stuff and make it awesome
L274[20:46:52] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> heheh
L275[20:46:57] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> professional bitcoin miner XD
L276[20:47:05] <gigaherz> you mean like
L277[20:47:10] <gigaherz> calculate hashes by hand?
L278[20:47:34] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> yes, definitely XD
L279[20:47:37] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> that's 1930s women's work
L280[20:47:41] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> XD
L281[20:47:54] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> only they have the proper computing power (measured in women)
L282[20:48:12] <gigaherz> wait
L283[20:48:22] <gigaherz> we are supposed to measure cpu performance in "womenpowers"?
L284[20:48:35] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> girl power, yes
L285[20:48:37] <gigaherz> my cpu has 5 wp
L286[20:49:16] <gigaherz> or I guess it would sound more like "yeah my Asus tower has a 150WP cpu"
L287[20:49:17] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> that microprocessor is actually the table that the women sit around and work at while in your computer
L288[20:49:20] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> XD
L289[20:50:03] <gigaherz> just like how car engines have little horses making the thingy spin?
L290[20:50:12] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> yep
L291[20:50:30] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> may car actually has 4,000 ferret power
L292[20:51:02] <gigaherz> this reminds me
L293[20:51:13] <gigaherz> how did they decide what "1 horse" is?
L294[20:51:26] <gigaherz> I mean, I presume the ability to pull would have varied per horse?
L295[20:51:28] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> it's actually donkey power
L296[20:51:38] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> i guess it was decided back when they were transitioning between horse drawn carrages and cars?
L297[20:51:41] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> true story
L298[20:51:57] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> and no, horse power was around at least in early 1800s
L299[20:51:58] <gigaherz> did they define a "standard average horse", and then calculate how much force it can output?
L300[20:52:12] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> i guess.. i dunno
L301[20:52:17] <gigaherz> horsepower was a term used for industrial purposes
L302[20:52:19] <gigaherz> like
L303[20:52:29] <gigaherz> if you had a mill that needed 3 horses to run
L304[20:52:36] <gigaherz> you'd need a 3 horsepower engine to replace them
L305[20:53:26] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> yeah
L306[20:53:28] <ForgeDiscord> <Drullkus> Sounds right
L307[20:53:36] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> but why the heck do we still use it?
L308[20:53:42] <gigaherz> because it stuck
L309[20:53:50] <ForgeDiscord> <Drullkus> Because we didn't invent something else
L310[20:53:51] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> well, because of cars
L311[20:53:52] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> i don't think i need 300 horses to replace my car?
L312[20:53:54] <gigaherz> like inches and farenheit
L313[20:53:57] <gigaherz> why does anyone still use those?
L314[20:53:58] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> everyone else uses joules or watts
L315[20:54:08] <ForgeDiscord> <Drullkus> America still uses the imperial
L316[20:54:15] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> watt do you mean killjoy? XD
L317[20:54:22] <ForgeDiscord> <Drullkus> Not that I'm a fan of that
L318[20:55:02] <gigaherz> but yeah
L319[20:55:04] <gigaherz> a 3000HP engine
L320[20:55:26] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> 3000HP = 2237100W
L321[20:55:32] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> no, i'm not a fan of it either... i'm constantly having people (freinds) telling me how hot it is in farenhight (no i refuse to learn how to spell that)... i live in Australia.... and they still go (while living here) "Oh yeah, you guys use Celsius"
L322[20:55:39] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> that's more than 2.1MW
L323[20:55:41] <gigaherz> means you'd need 3000 horses running on treadmills, driving a complicated gear contraption
L324[20:55:47] <gigaherz> to give torque to the sheels
L325[20:55:54] <gigaherz> wheels*
L326[20:56:07] <gigaherz> and I say horses on treadmills, because no matter how many horses you have
L327[20:56:14] <gigaherz> they can't do 200km/h :P
L328[20:56:14] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> well more than 3000 horses, given the entropy of the machine
L329[20:56:22] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> yeah ^^
L330[20:56:46] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> We need 2816147 horses to travel through time
L331[20:56:55] <gigaherz> so like
L332[20:57:04] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> (the hell is a jigawatt?)
L333[20:57:13] <gigaherz> 3 million horses would be enough to make the earth spin backward?
L334[20:57:13] <gigaherz> ;P
L335[20:57:13] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> but wth is with some people thinking that celsius isn't as common as Fahrenheit ?
L336[20:57:21] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> XD
L337[20:57:40] <gigaherz> 'murricans
L338[20:57:50] <gigaherz> Celsius is pretty much used everywhere else in the world
L339[20:58:02] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> it is, lemme get a map
L340[20:58:20] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> my dad likes metric except celsius
L341[20:58:39] <gigaherz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication#/media/File:Metrication.svg
L342[20:58:49] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> he works on cars, so he knows metric from wrenches
L343[20:59:01] <gigaherz> can't find one that shows only temperature units
L344[20:59:12] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> Fahrenheit is used only by 5 countries
L345[20:59:16] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> https://www.informationin.com/2014/10/fahrenheit-is-used-only-by-5-countries.html
L346[20:59:19] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> wow
L347[20:59:26] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> F is great for meteorology
L348[20:59:30] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> C is great for other sciences
L349[20:59:45] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> K is good for quantum/astrological science
L350[20:59:49] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> The Bahamas, Belize, The cayman Islands, Palau, and the USA
L351[21:00:41] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> http://i.imgur.com/keKopSM.png wth is with england?
L352[21:01:17] <gigaherz> C is perfectly fine for meteorology too, if you grew up with it
L353[21:01:27] <gigaherz> so I guess K would also be similarly ok once you get used to it
L354[21:01:37] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> C is also good for low level code ?
L355[21:01:43] <gigaherz> I mean
L356[21:01:49] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> F is for 'muricans that don't wanna learn the international standard
L357[21:01:50] <gigaherz> 0c = freezing
L358[21:01:52] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> K is a one-to-one scale with C
L359[21:02:02] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> yep
L360[21:02:13] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> K is the absolute scale of C basically
L361[21:02:14] <Unh0ly_Tigg> F is for Freedom /s
L362[21:02:17] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> no negatives
L363[21:02:18] <gigaherz> 36.5C = body temperature
L364[21:02:23] <gigaherz> 100C = water boiling
L365[21:02:24] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> F is for France
L366[21:02:53] <gigaherz> while F is something like 0= too hold to live, 100 = too hot to live ?
L367[21:02:56] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> 0C is really cold, 100C is really hot. simple. Not like F where 75F is cold, and 150F is i have no clue
L368[21:02:58] <gigaherz> I have no idea what the numbers actually represent
L369[21:03:06] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> same XD
L370[21:03:10] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> they're magic numbers
L371[21:03:20] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> What's the difference between 60 and 70 degrees F?
L372[21:03:23] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> i swear they change depending on how people are feeling
L373[21:03:29] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> swamp ass, that's what
L374[21:03:45] <gigaherz> isn't body temp in F, close to 100?
L375[21:03:52] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
L376[21:03:53] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> 98.6
L377[21:04:02] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> was about to google that
L378[21:04:04] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> XD
L379[21:04:10] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> If your body temp is 100, go see a doctor
L380[21:04:11] <gigaherz> hmmm
L381[21:04:14] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> or just stay home.
L382[21:04:25] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> Because if it's 100, you probably don't have healthcare
L383[21:04:37] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> "normal" body temperature can have a wide range, from 97°F (36.1°C) to 99°F (37.2°C) well.. 100 wouldn't be ttooo much off
L384[21:04:46] <gigaherz> ah
L385[21:04:56] <gigaherz> the 36.5 I was taught, is for measuring the temp in the armpit
L386[21:05:05] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> A temperature over 100.4°F (38°C) most often means you have a fever caused by an infection or illness.
L387[21:05:06] <gigaherz> which corresponds to 97.7F
L388[21:05:20] <gigaherz> my rought rule is
L389[21:05:25] <gigaherz> 36.5C - no fever
L390[21:05:46] <gigaherz> 37.0C - that annoying state when you get a cold and you hate your existance, but the cold hasn't even started yet
L391[21:06:02] <gigaherz> 38.5C - in bed with a fever, probably should be taking an aspirin or ibuprofen
L392[21:06:15] <gigaherz> 40C - go see a doctor, NOW not later
L393[21:06:32] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> what about 35?
L394[21:06:32] <gigaherz> 42C - hopefully someone has an ice bath ready, because you are dying
L395[21:06:49] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> hypothermia
L396[21:06:53] <gigaherz> some people have lower armpit temp than others, but a core temperature that low is hypothermia
L397[21:07:04] <gigaherz> I was talking fever states :P
L398[21:07:18] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> I learned this from Osmosis Jones
L399[21:07:55] <gigaherz> but, by the time the core temperature is that low, the armpit is going to be much much colder
L400[21:11:32] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> why do you guys know this?
L401[21:11:46] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> google
L402[21:11:52] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> and osmosis jokes
L403[21:11:57] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> *osmosis jones
L404[21:12:05] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> no clue who or what osmosis jones is
L405[21:12:13] <gigaherz> I "know things"
L406[21:12:20] <ForgeDiscord> <killjoy> it's a movie about a white blood cell
L407[21:12:24] <gigaherz> whenever there's something i'm curious about, I look at wikipedia
L408[21:12:25] <gigaherz> :P
L409[21:12:52] <ForgeDiscord> <AshersLab> XD
L410[21:12:55] <gigaherz> the fever temperatures are pretty much personal experience and education, though
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