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L14[02:00:04] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20180418 mappings to Forge Maven.
L15[02:00:07] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20180418-1.12.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20180418" in build.gradle).
L16[02:00:18] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/
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L44[08:10:11] <Hanterdeep> hi
L45[08:10:26] <Hanterdeep> is it right place to ask questions about writing mods?
L46[08:10:30] <ghz|afk> yes
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L48[08:11:16] <Hanterdeep> I have strange problem - every mod I compile works fine via gradle (I use IntelliJ)
L49[08:11:49] <Hanterdeep> but throws NoSuchMethodError/NoSuchFieldError in mc launched via MultiMC
L50[08:14:54] <ben_mkiv> are you using reflections?
L51[08:16:54] <Hanterdeep> that's funny - I'm not
L52[08:18:02] <Hanterdeep> I even checked with it and the fields that IDE shows to me and compiles with are missing when mod is loaded by client
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L55[08:20:14] <Hanterdeep> it seems as if I've messed up sth with env config
L56[08:20:19] <Hanterdeep> but I cannot work out what
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L58[08:43:36] <ben_mkiv> what kind of fields is it complaining about?
L59[08:45:02] <gigaherz> Hanterdeep:
L60[08:45:09] <gigaherz> what are you using to compile?
L61[08:45:19] <gigaherz> if you use the "jar" task, that's the wrong one
L62[08:45:30] <gigaherz> you haveto use the "build" task to generate a jar that can run outside the development environment
L63[08:45:57] <gigaherz> keep in mind
L64[08:46:07] <gigaherz> the minecraft jar that comes from mojang
L65[08:46:10] <gigaherz> uses obfuscated names
L66[08:46:19] <gigaherz> a, b, c, ... aa, ab, ...
L67[08:46:38] <gigaherz> when forge decompiles the code, or loads it into memory at runtime
L68[08:46:56] <gigaherz> it will transform those obfuscated names (which may not be legal names in java), into SRG names
L69[08:47:02] <gigaherz> that look like "func_12341_a"
L70[08:47:31] <gigaherz> and in the development environment it goes one step further, and name mappings are used to provide pretty names for coding purposes
L71[08:48:16] <Hanterdeep> no, I use build
L72[08:49:04] <Hanterdeep> it's possible, that I've messed up mappings config somewhere
L73[08:49:11] <Hanterdeep> but still - it's strange
L74[08:50:50] <Hanterdeep> it even occured when I tried to compile someone else code
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L77[10:14:09] <gigaherz> oh shit
L78[10:14:10] <gigaherz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKH63_r0OCA
L79[10:14:19] <gigaherz> someone found the wood mc tools are made from
L80[10:14:31] <gigaherz> do hard and dense it doesn't even float
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L111[15:18:17] <CJL> Does anybody know what would cause lag only when debug info is NOT displayed?
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L115[15:57:48] <ben_mkiv> some renderflags which are set but shouldnt
L116[15:58:37] <ben_mkiv> if you do custom render stuff...^
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L121[16:27:14] <CJL> Does anybody know why lag would go away when the debug screen is up?
L122[16:42:30] <gigaherz> no idea
L123[16:42:50] <gigaherz> does it happen when you have your own mod in there
L124[16:42:54] <gigaherz> or as a user?
L125[16:43:17] <CJL> As a user. I'm trying to figure out what I can do about the lag.
L126[16:44:05] <CJL> I'm mainly just checking if this could be a specific mod causing this.
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L128[16:51:38] <gigaherz> yeah no idea then, sorry
L129[16:53:51] <xaero> if you want to narrow down a mod, the best algo to do so is to disable half and test, repeat : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm
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L139[17:48:40] <illy> just found out j10 dropped last month... that was fast...
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L142[17:58:43] <xaero> aren't they going the way of browser versioning now? updating the major versions regularly
L143[17:59:33] <xaero> dang chrome is on 66 now.. gotta update
L144[18:00:12] <xaero> well that's the thing isn't it? the major version changing makes it seem /important/
L145[18:13:49] <gigaherz> I remember whe nit was like, 1.2, 1.4, 1.5, then java6, 7, ...
L146[18:14:03] <gigaherz> now XuY becomes a major version?
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L149[18:22:20] <xaero> I blame google - "don't be evil" yeah right :P
L150[18:23:04] <xaero> then mozilla firefox followed
L151[18:34:36] <illy> iirc its a six month release cadence... gota say I do love var in j 10 :P
L152[18:34:53] <gigaherz> pff 6 months.... that's nothing compared to the 6 weeks of firefox :P
L153[18:35:07] <illy> im on arch so...
L154[18:35:16] <illy> im way to used to random releases
L155[18:35:28] <illy> gradle init
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L157[19:59:45] <CJL> Is java 9 even out yet?
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L164[21:58:35] <LexMobile> Officially yes, support modding wise, no.
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L166[21:59:14] <gigaherz> out of curiosity, does mc itself, without forge or anything, work on j9 as-is?
L167[21:59:36] <LexMobile> sorta, there are a few things that it only works because j9 is 1/2 backwards compat
L168[21:59:53] * gigaherz nods
L169[22:00:27] <LexMobile> Forge just explicitly breaks because we do MAJOR things with the #1 thing J9 changed. Classloading.
L170[22:00:37] <gigaherz> yeah I guessed as much
L171[22:00:59] <gigaherz> I have read a few conversations regarding that a whileago
L172[22:01:23] <LexMobile> Ya, its almost as if when you hack something and that something fundementally changes, shit breaks ;)
L173[22:08:47] <gigaherz> welp gotta jump into bed, night!
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L177[22:19:56] <illy> I was looking into seeing if it was possible to force open modules with asm but that turned out being a dud :P
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L180[23:50:52] <kashike> "is Java 9 out yet"
L181[23:50:54] <kashike> yes, 10 is lol
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