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L88[00:57:47] <kashike> yes

L89[00:57:49] <kashike> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/ForgeGradle/commit/21e4a5ca9e3ef7d36aeda43689db129ace01b52e#diff-c197962302397baf3a4cc36463dce5ea

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L114[02:22:27] <PaleoCrafter> So, sitting in my algorithms class right now. There's a guy in front of me coding and he just repeatedly opened the edit menu to press 'Undo' ._.

L115[02:23:29] <Ordinastie> maybe is z key is broken :p

L116[02:23:53] <PaleoCrafter> Looks like half the keyboard's broken then

L117[02:25:19] <PaleoCrafter> They also wrote an if with an empty body to then do something in the else branch xD

L118[02:25:47] <tterrag> if it's stupid and it works...

L119[02:25:50] <tterrag> nah that's still stupid

L120[02:25:51] <Ordinastie> maybe he knows you're watching and he does that just to piss you off :p

L121[02:27:24] <PaleoCrafter> He's blatantly unaware. He even had to ask somebody if you can get an array's length somehow :D

L122[02:27:42] <PaleoCrafter> tterrag, problem is, it doesn't look like it's even working :P

L123[02:29:41] <tterrag> "actually, getting an array's length is one of a few unsolved problems in programming. if you can figure it out, you'll be getting a nobel for sure"

L124[02:30:02] <PaleoCrafter> Even more important than P=NP

L125[02:31:44] <Ordinastie> you guys good with nio ?

L126[02:32:09] <Ordinastie> for my ddb mod, I can read packs from dir or zip

L127[02:32:34] <Ordinastie> currently, I just have 2 impl with a if type == zip

L128[02:32:41] <tterrag> wait, are you Leviathan on discord?

L129[02:32:53] <tterrag> someone by that name was asking an almost identical question earlier

L130[02:32:59] <Ordinastie> nope, not me

L131[02:33:22] <tterrag> he seemed to be of the idea that a FileSystem would automatically handle zips/jars

L132[02:33:25] <Ordinastie> I wonder if it's possible to have unified impl with nio, and if it's worth refactoring

L133[02:33:26] <tterrag> idk about that though

L134[02:33:29] <tterrag> it wasn't working

L135[02:33:36] <tterrag> I don't see the harm in 2 cases

L136[02:33:52] <Ordinastie> ideally, better and simpler code

L137[02:34:05] <rallias> PaleoCrafter, I'm guilty of abusing else as well...

L138[02:34:17] <Ordinastie> but from my quick search, code really didn't look simpler

L139[02:35:24] <PaleoCrafter> iirc, it still distinguished the two, Ordi. Just look at Vanilla, I think it's employing NIO stuff for the recipes and advancements. They do handle directories and archives separately

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L141[02:36:05] <PaleoCrafter> rallias, without doing anything in the if branch?

L142[02:36:08] <Ordinastie> "look at vanilla" is rarely a good answer for "what's the best way" ^^

L143[02:36:33] <rallias> PaleoCrafter, I'll often write the code, then invert it in IntelliJ once I'm done.

L144[02:36:52] <PaleoCrafter> Can't it do it on conditions directly?

L145[02:37:00] <Bigcheese> Pretty sure I've never doen that.

L146[02:37:29] <PaleoCrafter> And considering that person was using the menus to undo, I doubt they even know about that capability :P

L147[02:37:50] <PaleoCrafter> Ordi, well, I think in this case their code is reasonably okay :P

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L149[02:39:08] <rallias> PaleoCrafter, Lets be honest for a moment... I don't actually know how to write Java.

L150[02:39:17] <rallias> I just convincingly fake it because Intellij facilitates it.

L151[02:39:20] <PaleoCrafter> :D

L152[02:39:34] <Ordinastie> fake it until you make it

L153[02:39:42] <gigaherz|work> the wonders of a good IDE

L154[02:39:42] <gigaherz|work> ;P

L155[02:39:53] <rallias> Hence why I spent 8 hours wondering why "Rallias".toLowercase() != "rallias"

L156[02:40:24] <PaleoCrafter> Some might argue that makes it a rather bad one, giga :P

L157[02:40:33] <Ordinastie> rallias, we all make that mistake

L158[02:40:55] <rallias> It took me even longer to realize why my network class wasn't functioning.

L159[02:41:19] <gigaherz|work> PaleoCrafter: indeed

L160[02:41:24] <Ordinastie> what's better ? steam.filter(() -> a && b) or stream.filter(a).filter(b) ?

L161[02:41:40] <gigaherz|work> rallias: my personal opinion on the matter is that it's java's biggest flaw

L162[02:41:41] <gigaherz|work> ;P

L163[02:42:03] <rallias> What's "stream.filter"?

L164[02:42:20] <Ordinastie> filters a steam with a predicate :p

L165[02:42:24] <Ordinastie> *stream

L166[02:42:27] <rallias> What's a predicate?

L167[02:42:40] <gigaherz|work> Ordinastie: they should end up pretty much the same

L168[02:42:45] <gigaherz|work> when the actual lazy evaluation runs

L169[02:42:57] <gigaherz|work> I don't know how java implements combining two filter operations

L170[02:43:08] <MiniDigger> yeah, I doubt you would notice a difference and the second one is much more readable

L171[02:43:44] <gigaherz|work> but it can't be too different from a short-circuit and

L172[02:46:35] <Ordinastie> https://puu.sh/yi5Vx.png

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L174[02:47:31] <Ordinastie> wait, there is another one :p

L175[02:48:23] <Ordinastie> https://puu.sh/yi5XS.png

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L177[02:49:01] <MiniDigger> I would go with the second or the 3rd

L178[02:49:38] <PaleoCrafter> When you have a predicate, I'd definitely go with the second

L179[02:50:27] <PaleoCrafter> The combining methods on those are only really useful when you have a bunch of predicates and need to fold over them or something

L180[02:52:34] <MiniDigger> oh man, benchmarks on SO are so fun https://stackoverflow.com/a/24923102

L181[02:53:05] <MiniDigger> whats even worse than that answer is that 13 ppl upvoted it...

L182[02:55:56] <PaleoCrafter> At least the first comment on it has more upvotes :P

L183[02:58:35] <Ordinastie> ok, now I need to manually load those recipe JSON :/

L184[02:59:38] <LexMobile> PaleoCrafter: Bugging you about site shit again.

L185[03:00:41] <PaleoCrafter> I *really* hope I can fit it in these weekend xD anything new that needs to be done?

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L188[03:02:51] <LexMobile> Did Jules get a hold of you about SEO stuff?

L189[03:03:46] <LexMobile> If not then I can do that later. But the main thing is getting that auto-collapse so the footer ad gets above the fold.

L190[03:05:24] <PaleoCrafter> Haven't been contacted by anyone except one guy on Twitter who didn't help much. The collapse I should be able to do tomorrow

L191[03:08:56] <LexMobile> Ya Joules was the one I sent your way last week. I'll follow up on that later.

L192[03:09:30] <LexMobile> Once the collapsing has gotten in I can do the basic SEO stuff as that shouldnt need much style change.

L193[03:10:01] <LexMobile> Also... I was thinking... a way to get around the inlined stylesheets was to change the link to the style sheet to style.css?TIMESTAMP

L194[03:10:17] <LexMobile> To get around the caching shit.

L195[03:11:02] <PaleoCrafter> I guess that's doable within the python template

L196[03:11:41] <LexMobile> yup, i'd just add current_timestamp to the metadata or something

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L200[03:23:53] <Ordinastie> what's the constant.json for ?

L201[03:24:03] <Ordinastie> just not have to repeat ingredients and conditions ?

L202[03:24:07] <PaleoCrafter> Yep

L203[03:24:54] <Ordinastie> so I don't really have to care

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L231[04:22:43] <Ordinastie> is there documentation about recipe JSON ?

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L233[04:23:56] <Ordinastie> one I could redirect my users to

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L236[04:35:04] <gigaherz|work> Ordinastie: it's technically a vanilla feature so it would eventually be described in the official forums, but since it's not yet publicly available, there has been no need to describe them

L237[04:35:22] <Ordinastie> I found a MCF post for it

L238[04:35:22] <gigaherz|work> that said

L239[04:35:25] <gigaherz|work> google says http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-java-edition/redstone-discussion-and/commands-command-blocks-and/2810250-1-12-custom-recipes

L240[04:35:30] <Ordinastie> good enough, I 'll redirect them to it

L241[04:37:56] <gigaherz|work> official wiki*

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L275[11:02:01] <gigaherz> do java streams have anything similar to C#'s SelectMany?

L276[11:02:37] <gigaherz> flatMap, it would seem

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L288[12:28:22] <Neon> Any recommendations for a multi world/dimension mod running on 1.12.2? Even Forge Essentials seems stuck at 1.10.

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L291[12:30:32] <gigaherz> Neon: RFTools Dimensions?

L292[12:30:46] <gigaherz> Twilight Forest also has a custom dimension but only the one

L293[12:30:57] <Neon> gigaherz: I'm looking for operator-controlled worlds.

L294[12:31:30] <kashike> sponge? :p

L295[12:31:30] <gigaherz> ah no idea then

L296[12:31:43] <gigaherz> besides using creative batteries to power RFTools ;P

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L298[12:33:41] <Neon> kashike: Is Sponge like Spigot?

L299[12:34:32] <Z750> Sponge is like if the people who made bukkit could retroactively go back in time and make it again using the knowledge they gained throughout the years, as well as forge mod support

L300[12:34:44] <Z750> thats not technically accurate, but it’s a good abstraction

L301[12:34:54] <kashike> Sponge is a Forge mod (well, coremod), and what Z750 said

L302[12:35:07] <Neon> Ah, ye, I see there's a version built on Forge.

L303[12:35:17] <gigaherz> "Sponge is like bukkit, xcept not like bukkit."

L304[12:35:35] <Neon> That's pretty cool. Way better than merging them somehow into a big pudding of ... stuff

L305[12:35:59] <Z750> Sponge is like a taco whereas bukkit is a burrito

L306[12:36:10] <Lord_Ralex> burritos are good though

L307[12:36:19] <gigaherz> and forge is actual mexican food that hasn't been americanized?

L308[12:36:21] <Neon> I haven't ever eaten either.

L309[12:36:55] <illy> these food analogies are making me hungry

L310[12:36:58] <kashike> sponge: https://www.forksoverknives.com/wp-content/uploads/lentiltacos-6553WP-edit.jpg

L311[12:37:01] <kashike> bukkit: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgCbibhWIAAMLty.jpg

L312[12:37:38] <illy> and after looking at the last link I am no longer hungry

L313[12:38:05] <Neon> Because that's what you become when you're too hungry.

L314[12:38:52] <Neon> So I assume there's a multiworld plugin for Sponge somewhere, if you recommend it to me.

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L316[12:39:27] <kashike> https://ore.spongepowered.org/?categories=8 :)

L317[12:39:40] <kashike> ProjectWorlds is popular, I think

L318[12:39:55] <illy> iirc there's a PR somewhere to allow for server side only worlds in forge

L319[12:43:35] <illy> found it https://git.io/v7LeD

L320[12:50:33] <Neon> Maybe you can tell me something about world generation. If I have a Vanilla world and it has some chunks generated already and I add a mod then, which alters the world generation, e.g. by introducing new ores, adding plants or the like (or even Biomes O'Plenty), will new chunks in my world generate with the new options or will I have to start a new world to get all the new features?

L321[12:51:24] <gigaherz> new chunks will have the new ores and such

L322[12:51:29] <gigaherz> existing ones will not

L323[12:52:22] <Neon> So biome changing mods will cause weird edges between my old and the new chunks, won't they?

L324[12:52:40] <gigaherz> most probably

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L326[12:56:17] <Neon> Just went to the Railcraft page to see retweets of Donald Trump. Errrr...

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L328[12:59:04] <kashike> correction: you went to CovertJaguar's twitter account, which is a person

L329[12:59:19] <Neon> It's embedded there.

L330[12:59:25] <gigaherz> I don't see any trump

L331[12:59:25] <gigaherz> http://www.railcraft.info/

L332[12:59:30] <kashike> https://twitter.com/CovertJaguar

L333[12:59:36] <gigaherz> oh I see

L334[12:59:41] <gigaherz> in the sidebar down there

L335[12:59:42] <kashike> "Tweets by @CovertJaguar"

L336[12:59:55] <gigaherz> yep

L337[12:59:58] <gigaherz> well

L338[13:00:06] <gigaherz> does it make Railcraft any worse? ;P

L339[13:00:38] <Neon> I'd really love to use Railcraft. It has awesome features, but it's always too slow in updating.

L340[13:00:51] <illy> considering it doesnt have the steam boiler back yet it was never really better :P

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L342[13:02:16] <Neon> Maybe you can make it less wantable for me by explaining why it's so bad. :P

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L344[13:06:31] <gigaherz> so, has anyone here had a chance to look at the internals of the snapshots?

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L346[13:14:46] <kashike> gigaherz: yes

L347[13:15:00] <kashike> Lots of changes - anything specific?

L348[13:16:20] <gigaherz> just wondering what they did with metadata ;P

L349[13:16:30] <kashike> net.minecraft.client.Minecraft is smaller, stuff moved into their own classes; lots of things changed for LWJGL 3 support; network changes (MC|StopSound channel removed, new packet); brigadier is in, still WIP

L350[13:16:43] <kashike> net.minecraft.client.resources is now used on the dedicated server too, expect a package change

L351[13:16:56] <gigaherz> for DataPacks I suppose

L352[13:16:59] <kashike> yes

L353[13:17:23] <kashike> CLIENT_RESOURCES("assets"),

L354[13:17:25] <kashike> SERVER_DATA("data");

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L356[13:27:06] <barteks2x> Is it possible to run the client logic without any of the rendering?

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L372[15:06:51] <Coaster3000> So I am going through some of the source code in forge and the minecraft code, trying to determine the best course to identify blocks. I am unsure if all blocks are registered into the forge dictionary, and I had played with the idea of matching class's but I found flaws with that. Is there a best practice that is already used to identify blocks by type?

L373[15:07:36] <Coaster3000> Or would the dictionary be the best option in this case?

L374[15:08:01] <barteks2x> what do you mean "matching blocks"?

L375[15:08:10] <barteks2x> what do you want to know about the block?

L376[15:08:41] <barteks2x> *matching->identify

L377[15:09:41] <illy> evening o/

L378[15:09:54] <Coaster3000> I am trying to match blocks of type and if required uniquely. So dirt, stone, cobblestone. Then to match mods that insert their own blocks. An example I would have for that is that some mods use one block type for multiple things like machiens in Industrial craft.

L379[15:10:07] <Coaster3000> From my understanding, that is all one block but with a specific state to cover what machine it is

L380[15:10:47] <barteks2x> what...? Machines in IC are blocks on their own and they have their own block type

L381[15:10:57] <Ordinastie> a block can have multiple states, yes, but I still don't understand what you're trying to do

L382[15:11:45] <barteks2x> I think he may confuse recipes (what a block is "made of") and block types

L383[15:12:22] <Coaster3000> I am using the block list to implement physics.

L384[15:12:32] <Coaster3000> I need to identify blocks a certain way to determine how they will behave

L385[15:12:44] <Ordinastie> block list ?

L386[15:12:53] <barteks2x> define "physics". Minecraft already has some kind of physics... like gravity

L387[15:13:05] <Coaster3000> I will have blocks fall if not properly supported

L388[15:13:17] <barteks2x> so you want to know their m,ass and things like that?

L389[15:13:33] <Coaster3000> Now your deviating from my question

L390[15:13:50] <Ordinastie> we don't understand your question

L391[15:14:05] <Coaster3000> Gimme a moment to phrase it better

L392[15:14:08] <barteks2x> If you want to know what blocks are "made of" in recipes, your best bet *may* be to analyze recipes, and fall back to user confuguration of not possible

L393[15:14:14] <Coaster3000> I don't want that

L394[15:14:21] <Coaster3000> Gimme one moment to phrase my question better :)

L395[15:15:19] <barteks2x> uh... looks like it's time for me to setup forge dev environment...

L396[15:15:28] <barteks2x> or at least a clean MDK

L397[15:17:34] <Coaster3000> I am looking for a method to identify blocks by either name or type of material it is. I do not need recipe information. I am not entirely concerned about the states of the block. Currently if I were to just design my mod for vanilla only. I would identify all stone, all dirt, all wood, and other various blocks by either their ID or forge dictionary names.

L398[15:17:45] <Coaster3000> I don't think I phrased the question well still :\

L399[15:18:17] <barteks2x> So you *want* to know what it's made of. You want to know if it has wood in it. Or if it has stone in it. And how much of it

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L401[15:18:54] <Ordinastie> no, he wants the block

L402[15:18:58] <Ordinastie> the actual block

L403[15:19:08] <barteks2x> whether a player will consider a block as made of wood depends entirely on recipe and the texture

L404[15:19:09] <Coaster3000> I don't want to go through recipes though. So if the information isn't available through their id's or forge dictionary values. I rather have it use whatever is unique to that block and create a config value for it.

L405[15:19:36] <Coaster3000> So, I'm just looking for a way to identify the block effeciently

L406[15:19:51] <Ordinastie> still not sure what you mean by "identify"

L407[15:19:54] <barteks2x> for basic stuff you can use ore dictionary (like checking if it's wood)

L408[15:20:10] <Coaster3000> Is everything run through the dictionary?

L409[15:20:22] <barteks2x> but consider a block like something from bits & chisels... made half out of wood and half out of stone

L410[15:20:27] <barteks2x> how would you want to identify it?

L411[15:21:03] <Coaster3000> pfft, didn't think of that mod. That is something I am probably not going to generate the values for. I might have to look into that later.

L412[15:21:17] <Ordinastie> maybe the material is enough

L413[15:21:21] <gigaherz> "Wood (60%), Stone (40%)"

L414[15:21:22] <gigaherz> ;P

L415[15:21:37] <gigaherz> like the ingredients on a food product

L416[15:21:40] <Coaster3000> Eventually, but I don't want to dive into that end of it right now.

L417[15:21:48] <barteks2x> I think to get it perfect you would just need a special module for each mod

L418[15:22:12] <Coaster3000> Probably, but for now I'd like to get a basic thing that goes through the dictionary (if everything gets registered into there)

L419[15:22:20] <barteks2x> not everything does

L420[15:22:25] <gigaherz> OreDict does not contain everything

L421[15:22:25] <Coaster3000> That's what I though

L422[15:22:28] <Coaster3000> That's what I thought*

L423[15:22:32] <barteks2x> but things like wood usually do. And it's not supposed to be used that way

L424[15:22:35] <gigaherz> I had an idea for a mod

L425[15:22:39] <barteks2x> it's supposed to be used for recipes

L426[15:22:46] <Ordinastie> I think by dictionary, he meant registry

L427[15:22:53] <gigaherz> that would categorize EVERYTHING (in the vanilla game, with other mods supported through an API)

L428[15:22:56] <Coaster3000> Oh sorry, yea the registry

L429[15:23:00] <gigaherz> into a tree of things

L430[15:23:03] <barteks2x> registry is just a "list" of all the blocks in the game. That's it

L431[15:23:04] <Coaster3000> I am going through the Registry currently

L432[15:23:15] <gigaherz> like Items->Consummable->Food->Apple

L433[15:23:15] <barteks2x> and their IDs/names

L434[15:23:23] <Coaster3000> Now what happens with multiblocks?

L435[15:23:29] <Coaster3000> Blocks that are reused in the registry?

L436[15:23:46] <barteks2x> probably multiple blockstates but the same block. oir tile entity

L437[15:23:53] <gigaherz> the mod decides how to identify sub-blocks sharing a registry name

L438[15:23:58] <Coaster3000> crap

L439[15:24:03] <barteks2x> that's why I said to get it perfect you will probably need a special compat module for each mod

L440[15:24:05] <gigaherz> either meta or TileEntity

L441[15:24:14] <gigaherz> s/meta/blockstates

L442[15:24:33] <Coaster3000> So the registries listing is the best bet for now, then use the special module for each mod?

L443[15:25:18] <gigaherz> if you need to identify everything

L444[15:25:23] <gigaherz> I would have primary identification handlers

L445[15:25:30] <gigaherz> that are decided based on the registry name

L446[15:25:34] <gigaherz> and then for special registry names

L447[15:25:40] <gigaherz> secondary handlers that know how to identify sub-blocks

L448[15:25:46] <Coaster3000> right

L449[15:26:05] <barteks2x> registry will just tell you what blocks are there in the game. To get their properties... you can either reply on material (block.getMaterial iirc) or recipes. if you need everything perfect - some thingc could be confugurable by users but for tile entities - that has to be handled in code for many mods, in block by block basis

L450[15:26:11] <gigaherz> you could have semi-generic handlers for things like "use this blockstate property"

L451[15:26:29] <gigaherz> and advanced ones for mods using TileEntities as a way to choose sub-blocks

L452[15:29:08] <Coaster3000> So the only other question I have, and I have dug around for this and probably going to dig some more. Is there currently any api that allows me to run code on the next tick without listening for every tick?

L453[15:29:59] <Ordinastie> not really

L454[15:30:13] <Coaster3000> Dang, was hoping to avoid that.

L455[15:30:41] <Coaster3000> The potential for performance problems is rather large if I use that

L456[15:31:15] <Coaster3000> Alright, thanks for the help ^^ I'll linger in here for now.

L457[15:31:42] <Ordinastie> if you don't do anything, your tick handler won't really take resources

L458[15:33:09] <Coaster3000> Ya, but there will be plenty of physics calculations that I would be doing. My plan is to limit the amount of calculations and split it across ticks.

L459[15:33:22] <Ordinastie> and ?

L460[15:35:40] <barteks2x> You can still do that with event handler

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L462[15:39:41] <Coaster3000> Ya, I am. I just have to write some code to queue physics calculations and have it run chunks of it per tick. During my initial tests to see how I can make blocks fall, I managed to freeze the game when one block fall triggered a huge amount of blocks to fall all at once.

L463[15:40:05] <Coaster3000> It was a funny accident

L464[15:40:43] <barteks2x> Heh. Another one of those mods that "it probably works when it doesn't crash after the world loads and you see blocks"

L465[15:41:50] <Coaster3000> I don't think I plan on having physics done on world load or creation. Only block updates or nearby interactions with the player.

L466[15:41:58] <Coaster3000> I'm still planning it out though

L467[15:43:02] <barteks2x> also a little thing that I think would be nice: iof it didn't rely on hardcoded height checks and chunk load/unload events and wouldn't use ExtendedBlockStorage

L468[15:43:17] <barteks2x> it *might* be compatible with cubic chunks then

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L470[15:46:34] <Coaster3000> Wasn't planning on using chunk load or unload events either. I might want to do ensure all scheduled calculations are completed before a chunk unloads though.

L471[15:47:54] <barteks2x> I don't think it would be a good idea... you would probably need to serialize the scheduled calculations

L472[15:48:34] <barteks2x> otherwise someone could create a contraption that keeps chunks loaded infinidetely or freezes the server as your mod attemots to complete the calculations

L473[15:49:16] <Coaster3000> I only plan on calculations to be done if there is a change in the -- I see what your thinking of

L474[15:50:54] <Coaster3000> I'll have to think of some solutions for that. Either the serialization of the scheduled calculation or ignoring it altogether. I will have to see what would work best.

L475[15:51:33] <barteks2x> vanilla deals with scheduled block updates by serializing them

L476[15:52:27] <barteks2x> Also this is evil... OutOfMemoryError when sending a packet will be ignored and will just kick the player

L477[15:52:58] <Ordinastie> because it just crashes the netty thread?

L478[15:53:08] <barteks2x> no, this was still in server thread

L479[15:53:50] <Coaster3000> Heh, then I might have my work cut out for me for the scheduled block updates.

L480[15:54:07] <Coaster3000> I am currently running off of the block update events in my testing

L481[15:54:16] <barteks2x> except it only calls a very specifc method in Block (IBlockState?)

L482[15:54:41] <Ordinastie> yeah, can't really use that if it's not your block

L483[15:54:44] <barteks2x> so to reuse that you would probably have to modfy the vanilla code

L484[15:55:32] <Coaster3000> It doesn't fire BlockNeighborCheck?

L485[15:55:46] <barteks2x> hm... maybe it does

L486[15:56:06] <barteks2x> but that would be a lot of events for liqiod updates and redstone updates

L487[15:56:53] <Ordinastie> schedules block updates are just that

L488[15:56:59] <Coaster3000> :3 it's how I froze the game with too many blocks falling at once. My block fell, triggered the event and it made a whole mountain collapse on the same tick

L489[15:57:05] <Ordinastie> and update that is scheduled in X ticks

L490[15:57:33] <Ordinastie> the handler is the block itself though, so you don't have control over it

L491[15:57:45] <Coaster3000> That's one of the reason I am implementing a handler to schedule the checks across ticks.

L492[15:58:01] <barteks2x> I hate netty... I can easily reprodyce the memory leak in my mod but when I try to reproduce it in test environment, my computer runs out of memory instead of MC

L493[15:58:19] <Coaster3000> ouch

L494[15:58:27] <barteks2x> because I have to run actual dedicated server

L495[15:58:42] <barteks2x> it only occurs on dedicated server. Neverr integrated server

L496[16:00:17] <barteks2x> and it's leaking direct memory buffers, which are also heavily used by LWJGL. So heap dump is almost useless

L497[16:01:15] <illy> huh fml can still load zip

L498[16:04:01] <barteks2x> any idea what can I do to actually figure it out? Heap dump gives me almost no useful data. Comparing 2 heap dumps is filled with noise from LWJGL. Netty's builtin mechanism for detecting memory leaks finds nothing. And so far I can't reproduce it in test environment

L499[16:04:28] <Ordinastie> I thought you said it was on dedicated server

L500[16:04:42] <barteks2x> only when I'm on dedicated server but the iccue occurs clientside

L501[16:04:52] <Ordinastie> ah

L502[16:07:15] <barteks2x> the fun of debugging manual memory management in java... in a library that you don't understand even 5% of

L503[16:08:37] <quadraxis> anthing in jfr for native allocations?

L504[16:08:55] <barteks2x> jfr?

L505[16:08:57] <barteks2x> what is that?

L506[16:09:31] <quadraxis> flight recorder

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L508[16:10:12] <barteks2x> strangely when I try to reproduce it in test env, the dedicated server runs out of java heap

L509[16:10:44] <LexMobile> !gm func_77518_a

L510[16:12:11] <barteks2x> well, I will try the flight recorder but I don;t really have any hopes there as LWJGL also uses a lot of direct memory buffers

L511[16:12:46] <barteks2x> with about the same sizes as those i expect to be used by netty

L512[16:15:17] <barteks2x> damn... I have to reinstall the jdk with commercial features enabled

L513[16:18:02] <barteks2x> I also don't see anything in google about jfr and direct buffers

L514[16:24:08] <barteks2x> and that's about all the time I have for today...

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L517[16:26:01] <quadraxis> https://gist.github.com/t3rmin4t0r/1a753ccdcfa8d111f07c dunno if this is any help to you

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L525[16:47:08] <Ivorius> @LexMobile I have no idea what you're commenting on because the link doesn't work

L526[16:47:15] <Ivorius> And my version looks like this https://github.com/Ivorforce/MinecraftForge/blob/033924e08ead5f8af21c5afdb571a55bba193461/patches/minecraft/net/minecraft/world/biome/BiomeForest.java.patch

L527[16:48:57] <LexMobile> the patches look like hell. Honestly may be worth making a helper function to make the patch smaller...

L528[16:49:21] <Ivorius> Hard to do without imports

L529[16:49:28] <Ivorius> The patches are scattered over many classes

L530[16:49:42] <LexMobile> Some are some arnt

L531[16:49:44] <Ivorius> I tried to keep it as clean as possible by adding 2 or 3 helper methods where I could

L532[16:50:06] <LexMobile> it may be worth doing a import static EventType.*

L533[16:50:30] <LexMobile> Usually frowened upon but jebus thats a fuckton of horizontal width

L534[16:51:01] <Ivorius> I didn't do it because It was pretty long before as well - and had no imports

L535[16:51:05] <Ivorius> -+ if(net.minecraftforge.event.terraingen.TerrainGen.decorate(p_150513_2_, p_150513_3_, field_180294_c, net.minecraftforge.event.terraingen.DecorateBiomeEvent.Decorate.EventType.SAND_PASS2))

L536[16:51:09] <Ivorius> Is a long ass line as well

L537[16:51:25] <LexMobile> Ya i never liked it.

L538[16:52:02] <LexMobile> And hoenstly im not really a fan of this entire concept. as its just asking for modder to argue with eachotehr :/

L539[16:52:10] <LexMobile> Our current events are kinda dumb

L540[16:52:34] <Ivorius> I don't see many mods arguing over this

L541[16:52:48] <LexMobile> Not right now..

L542[16:52:57] <LexMobile> but what if A wants 5 tree and B want 12?

L543[16:53:02] <Ivorius> Most are either complementary or exclusive by nature anyway

L544[16:53:16] <Ivorius> Well if you have two tree replace mods

L545[16:53:27] <Ivorius> It's on you

L546[16:53:40] <Ivorius> And if both only replace few trees, like 1/10, you don't notice a difference

L547[16:53:45] <Ivorius> So they're complementary

L548[16:53:56] <Ivorius> It's a conceptual problem and thus just represented in the code flow as well

L549[16:54:17] <LexMobile> thats the thing tho... how does it only replace a few trees?

L550[16:54:42] <LexMobile> still working my way down the patches but it still seems to me like it'd be a prone place for argumetns.

L551[16:55:44] <Ivorius> Vanilla says 'I want to generate 5 trees' -> event goes to tree replace mod -> generates 3 trees and gives 2 back in the event -> vanilla generates 2 trees

L552[16:55:53] <LexMobile> ok made it tot eh event

L553[16:56:14] <LexMobile> thats the theory

L554[16:56:19] <LexMobile> but what about:

L555[16:56:44] <LexMobile> Vanilla says 5, Mod Says Do 7!, ModB say Do 15!, Vanilla does 15

L556[16:57:17] <Ivorius> If you have one mod that sets it to 7 and one that sets it to 15

L557[16:57:18] <Ivorius> It's on you

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L559[16:57:31] <Ivorius> If you have one mod that multiplies it by 1.3 and one that multiplies it by 2.1

L560[16:57:33] <Ivorius> It's intended

L561[17:02:59] <LexMobile> Other problem is this alsoc hanges the meaning of the SHROOM event

L562[17:03:09] <LexMobile> to not be all encomapssing :/

L563[17:03:49] <LexMobile> But meh, see if you can cleanup the code a bit to but not as horridle.

L564[17:03:54] <Ivorius> Not sure what you mean

L565[17:04:02] <Ivorius> So am I allowed an import in BiomeDecorator?

L566[17:04:06] <Ivorius> Or two

L567[17:04:07] <LexMobile> well you now fire 5 shroom events

L568[17:04:09] <LexMobile> instead of 1

L569[17:04:24] <Ivorius> Yes, because there's 5 instances of different shrooms

L570[17:04:30] <Ivorius> That you might want to react to differently

L571[17:04:35] <Ivorius> It's not all just 1 shroom

L572[17:07:02] <Ivorius> I think it's 4: red vs brown, underground vs surface

L573[17:07:03] <LexMobile> Actually hum you do, the events are fired shroomsPerChunk*4 which is interesting...

L574[17:07:27] <LexMobile> This is going to cause issdues with mod generators

L575[17:07:43] <LexMobile> Suddently 10x modded mushrooms!

L576[17:08:02] <Ivorius> I don't think many mods depend specifically on mushroom generation

L577[17:08:07] <Ivorius> Which gets triggered always

L578[17:08:14] <Ivorius> So you might as well use pre or post

L579[17:08:16] <LexMobile> "i don't think" And thus the problem

L580[17:08:26] <Ivorius> Well yes, it's a bad excuse

L581[17:08:46] <Ivorius> But you can't change the nature of the event to be consistent

L582[17:08:50] <Ivorius> If it was inconsistent earlier

L583[17:08:52] <LexMobile> Its still firing the decorate event

L584[17:09:02] <LexMobile> which is designed to be a 'gen your shit and cancel this event'

L585[17:09:03] <Ivorius> Yes, most mods generate on pre or post

L586[17:09:08] <LexMobile> No they dont

L587[17:09:12] <Ivorius> It is not always

L588[17:09:17] <Ivorius> Yes, most of the times it is

L589[17:09:20] <Ivorius> But sometimes it's not

L590[17:09:26] <Ivorius> Like the tree event I think

L591[17:09:29] <LexMobile> So its compleetly useless to say anything

L592[17:09:30] <Ivorius> And one of the mushroom events

L593[17:09:56] <Ivorius> I did make sure to check it was not consistently 'gen your shit and cancel'

L594[17:10:02] <Ivorius> Which it was definitely not

L595[17:10:21] <LexMobile> except yes thats exactly wht the event is for

L596[17:10:35] <Ivorius> Then it's designed badly

L597[17:10:43] <Ivorius> Because there are a few cases that jump out

L598[17:11:10] <Ivorius> Also, that's exactly why I designed the revision

L599[17:11:10] <LexMobile> Its designed just fine.

L600[17:11:21] <LexMobile> Other events do other things.

L601[17:11:21] <Ivorius> Because just 'cancel' is not nearly enough for good generation

L602[17:11:30] <LexMobile> Except is is.

L603[17:11:34] <Ivorius> Except it's not.

L604[17:11:38] <LexMobile> Yes.. it is.

L605[17:11:39] <Ivorius> Trust me, I make the world gen mod

L606[17:11:45] <Ivorius> It is not.

L607[17:11:53] <LexMobile> If you take control over worldgen telling vanila to stfu is all the power you need.

L608[17:11:56] <Ivorius> Wanna see my shitty vanilla gen adapter class?

L609[17:12:19] <Ivorius> I don't take it over

L610[17:12:21] <Ivorius> I complement it

L611[17:12:23] <Ivorius> Which is the point.

L612[17:12:27] <LexMobile> No

L613[17:12:29] <LexMobile> No its fucking not

L614[17:12:33] <Ivorius> Few mods actually take over everything

L615[17:12:33] <LexMobile> the POINT of the event

L616[17:12:38] <LexMobile> is to TAKE OVER the gen

L617[17:12:50] <Ivorius> (which you can still do with my version thank you very much)

L618[17:12:52] <LexMobile> Hence why it has cancel

L619[17:13:05] <LexMobile> yes you can but you're redefining what the event means

L620[17:13:12] <LexMobile> whcih is fine between mc versions

L621[17:13:16] <LexMobile> but NOT in mc versions

L622[17:13:59] <Ivorius> Thanks for accepting my pull in between the 3 changes we had then

L623[17:14:02] <Ivorius> I appreciate it

L624[17:14:21] <Ivorius> 1.8, 1.11, 1.12

L625[17:14:26] <Ivorius> 1.10 *

L626[17:14:34] <Ivorius> Actually I might have created it with 1.9

L627[17:14:37] <gigaherz> All this talk about trees reminded me I should continue my "Natural Trees" mod someday (it was meant to replace all the vanilla trees with custom trees based on a custom "branch" block that can contain both leaves and wood in the same block)

L628[17:14:47] <gigaherz> it was a huge difference visually: https://i.imgur.com/rAUgxIi.jpg

L629[17:14:48] <LexMobile> Again the problem is simple. A mod is using the event HOW IT SHOULD be used. Canceling the event and generating its own mushrooms. This is now telling it to generate 10x what it was before.

L630[17:15:03] <Ivorius> I get that

L631[17:15:12] <Ivorius> I'd accept a pull for the next update

L632[17:15:14] <LexMobile> Ivorius: Your a large uugly as shit PR that doesnt really add much beyond the functionality we have now.

L633[17:15:26] <Ivorius> I did outline 3 strong use-cases

L634[17:15:26] <LexMobile> So i dont deal with it

L635[17:15:34] <Ivorius> Which many people agreed on

L636[17:15:39] <LexMobile> Mezz the is PR guy not me.

L637[17:15:42] <Ivorius> Including some known world gen guys

L638[17:15:49] <Ivorius> He wasn't when I first did the pr

L639[17:15:54] <Ivorius> But he has looked over it now

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L641[17:16:44] <LexMobile> Use one: Again can be done by taking control of the gen

L642[17:17:14] <Ivorius> Are you even reading the description

L643[17:17:14] <LexMobile> Use Two: This may be useful but again the problem, and why we dediced against it, is because its inside the loop. And causes the event to be fired a crapload

L644[17:17:22] <Ivorius> It says specifically parts of the generation

L645[17:17:48] <LexMobile> Use Three: Again can be acheived by takeover, normal vanilla gen is 1 gen call, so it shouldnt be an issue.

L646[17:17:57] <LexMobile> Yes im reading the fucking description

L647[17:18:13] <Ivorius> LexMobile: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/16bfd8cef1d12ee9ca0de1122addaf9916767ae9/patches/minecraft/net/minecraft/world/biome/BiomeForest.java.patch#L49

L648[17:18:14] <Ivorius> Aha

L649[17:18:18] <Ivorius> So this doesn't get fired a crapload?

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L651[17:18:59] <LexMobile> It gets fired a few times but it has been defined to be fired for each instance of the mushroom

L652[17:19:33] <LexMobile> Leave a note on it for Mezz to do it 1.13 but it's not going in 1.12

L653[17:19:38] <LexMobile> as it breaks the existing event

L654[17:19:44] <Ivorius> That's alright

L655[17:20:20] <LexMobile> And you can use import statics, just be sure not to put them in the import block.

L656[17:21:02] <Ivorius> Okay

L657[17:22:29] <halvors> Anyone knows of a mod implementing microblocks for 1.12?

L658[17:22:55] <gigaherz> https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/chisels-bits ?

L659[17:23:25] <halvors> Tried that, just keeps crashing all the time.

L660[17:23:30] <halvors> So there is no other?

L661[17:23:56] <gigaherz> the mod author may be interested in those crashes

L662[17:24:00] <gigaherz> and no I don't know anything else

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L664[17:32:01] <halvors> gigaherz: Yeah i know. But not the type of mod i was looking for, more like Simple Covers which supports multiplie types of block inside a single blockspace.

L665[17:32:56] <gigaherz> well, mcmultipart offersthe API for having multiple things inside one block space

L666[17:33:03] <gigaherz> but you still need something that provides the covers

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L668[17:33:17] <gigaherz> and I believe most mods only have covers for their own pipes/cables

L669[17:33:28] <gigaherz> as I said, I just don't know any besides C&B

L670[17:33:30] <gigaherz> there MAY be

L671[17:33:34] <gigaherz> I just don't know any ;P

L672[17:33:55] <halvors> Yeah, and i really want one that adds microblocks for the vanilla blocks :)

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L682[20:07:36] <kashike> can't even launch new snapshots :/

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