OCLogs: 2017-08-16.log

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L20[01:47:36] <TechnicianLP> Jaffa: if you are talking about making forge show a custom error-screen during loading: theres a special exception you can throw that will handle that (can remember the name exactly though atm)

L21[01:47:58] <TechnicianLP> maybe FMLCustomErrorsCrenException or something

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L23[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20170816 mappings to Forge Maven.

L24[02:00:07] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20170816-1.12.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20170816" in build.gradle).

L25[02:00:17] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L112[09:19:33] <barteks2x> I have no idea what's going on with networking... I'm consistently getting network lag on test cubic chunks server when receiving new cghunks, and even though just receiving them is fraction of a second the lag lasts for a few second

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L118[09:22:19] <barteks2x> on nevermidn it's the server lagging as hell

L119[09:23:27] <barteks2x> [10:21:41] [Server thread/WARN]: Something's taking too long! 'root.levels.world.tick.entities.regular.tick' took aprox 8789.819289 ms

L120[09:28:35] <Xilef11> 180x the normal tick time, not bad :p

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L123[09:29:47] <barteks2x> oh god... the server is runnign with 5GB ram allocated on default GC

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L156[11:33:32] <Dark> I'm making some java GUIs for error debug, does anyone know how to get Minecraft's java GUI container?

L157[11:33:42] <Dark> non-mc GUI

L158[11:34:49] <IoP> Are you talking about Swing dialogs/windows?

L159[11:36:33] <barteks2x> Minecraft probably doesn't even have actual swing/awt window, it's made bu LWJGL

L160[11:37:13] <Dark> I assume LWJGL would have something, as Display.getParent() returns a canvas object that can be used with swing GUIs

L161[11:37:16] <IoP> some mods use AWT/Swing

L162[11:37:34] <barteks2x> but they probably create their on windows

L163[11:37:49] <IoP> true

L164[11:38:19] <IoP> I'm not sure what is this nonmc java GUI container

L165[11:38:27] <Dark> either way, just need something to attach to swing window so it opens over MC

L166[11:38:35] <Dark> rather than behind it

L167[11:38:57] <malte0811> It always opens over MC for me...

L168[11:39:08] <malte0811> Or are you talking about fullscreen mode?

L169[11:39:31] <Dark> sometimes it opens over MC but if i switch tabs (IDEA -> MC) its behind MC

L170[11:40:09] <malte0811> So you want it as an always-on-top dialog to MC?

L171[11:40:21] <Dark> yep

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L186[14:34:01] <killjoy> huh, my college changed the blackboard subdomain

L187[14:34:10] <killjoy> used to be dist-ed. Now it redirects to blackboard.

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L194[15:15:07] <PaleoCrafter> :3

L195[15:15:22] <hipsterpig> PaleoCrafter: much pain was had

L196[15:16:28] <PaleoCrafter> with regards to your nicks? :P

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L198[15:17:41] <hipsterpig> no, clef.

L199[15:17:54] <PaleoCrafter> the texture thing or documentation? xD

L200[15:19:00] <hipsterpig> the entire mod

L201[15:19:07] <hipsterpig> I've not started on the documentation at all

L202[15:19:12] <hipsterpig> the mod in concept is simple.

L203[15:19:33] <hipsterpig> actually making it however, is hard.

L204[15:19:46] <hipsterpig> well, not hard, but it takes a long long long time

L205[15:19:48] <tterrag> what is the concept ._.

L206[15:19:50] <PaleoCrafter> what is the concept even? I only know it's something about instruments

L207[15:20:23] <hipsterpig> modular instruments playing modular music tracks

L208[15:20:53] <hipsterpig> basically starbound's instruments if you've used them before, and then some

L209[15:21:06] <risux> Just popped in to say I really like the new annotation and event based block/item registry design. Good work :)

L210[15:21:17] <PaleoCrafter> well, that's a first xD

L211[15:21:21] <hipsterpig> ... new?

L212[15:21:37] <hipsterpig> PaleoCrafter: a first, how?

L213[15:21:42] <PaleoCrafter> somebody actually likes it xD

L214[15:21:50] <risux> hipsterpig, the one in 1.10+

L215[15:21:52] <hipsterpig> wait what is this new system

L216[15:21:53] <hipsterpig> oh

L217[15:22:02] <hipsterpig> wait, 1.10+? inclusive of 1.10?

L218[15:22:05] <PaleoCrafter> yes

L219[15:22:09] <PaleoCrafter> but it's only enforced as of 1.12

L220[15:22:21] <hipsterpig> wait, what event based

L221[15:22:28] <PaleoCrafter> the RegistryEvents have been a thing since 1.10, though

L222[15:22:41] <hipsterpig> HAS IT?!

L223[15:22:50] <hipsterpig> I only know of setRegistryName

L224[15:23:09] <PaleoCrafter> hardly anyone used it back then

L225[15:23:16] <hipsterpig> I'm still on 1.10.

L226[15:23:21] <hipsterpig> Clef is a 1.10 mod

L227[15:23:26] <PaleoCrafter> you be living in the past

L228[15:23:33] <hipsterpig> well I be busy in real life

L229[15:24:04] <risux> Currently converting a 1.10 mod to use the new registry system, discovered it randomly while figuring out fluid registry

L230[15:24:06] <killjoy> People are still outdated? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKOrr4XRbg8

L231[15:24:07] <Ordinastie> real life is just an urban legend

L232[15:24:13] <PaleoCrafter> anyways, if you want to future-proof Clef to reduce your effort in porting, switch to the registry events :P

L233[15:25:03] <hipsterpig> what about future proofing my other 1273286 mods

L234[15:25:16] <killjoy> switch to a long

L235[15:25:18] <risux> Hire robots.

L236[15:25:33] <hipsterpig> killjoy: ha! i like you

L237[15:25:48] <PaleoCrafter> BigInteger, you mean, killjoy （。々°）

L238[15:25:50] <killjoy> your mods won't all fit in an int forever

L239[15:25:56] <hipsterpig> ^

L240[15:26:12] <hipsterpig> tbh I lost count ages ago

L241[15:26:18] <hipsterpig> I'm at like, what, #32 now?

L242[15:26:35] <risux> No idea how you manage all those

L243[15:26:45] <killjoy> He manages them?

L244[15:26:51] <risux> Idk

L245[15:27:04] <killjoy> Seems like some are abandoned

L246[15:27:28] <hipsterpig> heh uh

L247[15:27:44] <hipsterpig> some are feature complete aka I'm not pushing any more content to it other than updates

L248[15:27:57] <hipsterpig> some I have stopped updating, yes

L249[15:28:01] <PaleoCrafter> meanwhile, I'm still struggling to get any work done on what's technically #3 (of my serious projects, anyway)

L250[15:28:20] <hipsterpig> but I think I still maintain the most number of my own mods vs highest # of mods

L251[15:28:36] <hipsterpig> like, vazkii's made more than I have I think

L252[15:28:50] <hipsterpig> but vazkii tends to abandon them quick

L253[15:29:04] <hipsterpig> I'd say Clef is a serious project though

L254[15:29:29] <hipsterpig> it's over 3.5k lines of code (portal gun is ~5k) and has taken me easily 60 hours

L255[15:29:38] <hipsterpig> .... not consecutively

L256[15:30:00] <risux> Bout to say... that'd be a lot of coffee.

L257[15:30:16] <hipsterpig> I think I started dev on it last wednesday

L258[15:30:17] <hipsterpig> took a week

L259[15:30:26] <hipsterpig> ... or more

L260[15:30:38] <hipsterpig> there were some 10-12 hour days of devving, I'll admit

L261[15:30:46] <hipsterpig> I'm burnt out on Clef now lmao

L262[15:31:09] <risux> What is Clef? First I've heard of it

L263[15:33:16] <barteks2x> And I still didn't even release one mod because it's WIP for a few years now...

L264[15:33:58] <hipsterpig> risux: new mod of mine, worked on it in the past week, finished but not released yet

L265[15:34:05] <barteks2x> the amount of mods is really a meaningless numbers because yu can make them as small as you want

L266[15:34:10] <hipsterpig> ^

L267[15:34:23] <hipsterpig> that's me though, I make like a gazillion tiny tiny ones and none so big

L268[15:34:32] <PaleoCrafter> if anything, the amount of mods is only indicative of your creativity xD

L269[15:34:48] <ghz|afk> depends ;P

L270[15:35:01] <Ordinastie> hipsterpig, does the name mean anything special or is just "key" ?

L271[15:35:04] <risux> I've only really had one real mod... and I put all of my effort into it. There's others I'd love to make but I just don't have the time .-.

L272[15:35:09] <ghz|afk> I'm fairly sure I could make a tool to generate dozens of "mods" that each do something real, but very very un-creative

L273[15:35:32] <hipsterpig> heh

L274[15:35:38] <hipsterpig> Ordinastie: it's not meant to be french, no

L275[15:35:45] <barteks2x> I'm actuallysurprise noone has yet made a mod that just adds common ores used by mods with ore dictionary

L276[15:35:56] <hipsterpig> it's a reference to the clefs used in music

L277[15:36:09] <barteks2x> so you don't need to actually install some bug mod that generates them just to have te benefits in some other mod that uses them if they exist

L278[15:36:28] <Ordinastie> hipsterpig, that would be the one then :p

L279[15:36:34] <Ordinastie> I think

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L281[15:36:49] <PaleoCrafter> ghz|afk, I of course mean really distinct mods :P Generating a thousand "emerald tool and armour"-type mods for every mineral in existence would only count as one :P

L282[15:36:51] <hipsterpig> but heh yeah the clef also somewhat defines the key of the track, yeah.

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L284[15:37:06] <hipsterpig> PaleoCrafter: thanks :P

L285[15:37:13] <hipsterpig> but then again

L286[15:37:24] <hipsterpig> my creativity, or my ability to steal a concept from another game and put it in minecraft?

L287[15:37:37] <hipsterpig> cause after all, all clef does it puts Starbound's instruments into Minecraft

L288[15:38:05] <PaleoCrafter> both, I suppose? xD

L289[15:38:09] <Ordinastie> just checked, it is indeed the actual french word

L290[15:38:43] <hipsterpig> it's french for key

L291[15:39:15] <PaleoCrafter> barteks2x, problem is that it simply isn't feasible

L292[15:39:27] <barteks2x> why?

L293[15:39:30] <PaleoCrafter> as a standalone mod, anyways

L294[15:39:50] <barteks2x> What would be the problem with it?

L295[15:39:54] <PaleoCrafter> another alternative I've just talked about with some people on the FTB Reddit Discord was basically using overrides with a "common" modid

L296[15:40:54] <PaleoCrafter> it'd still technically be multiple mods with ores etc, but they'd all share a common item/block. Whoever "wins" the override would be responsible for worldgen etc

L297[15:41:01] <barteks2x> Are we talking about the same thing? Because I don't see how what I said wouldnt be feasable

L298[15:41:23] <barteks2x> The mod that generates them could also add the blocks

L299[15:41:42] <PaleoCrafter> that's how it'd work with the overrides thing, yes

L300[15:42:10] <PaleoCrafter> you'd basically introduce a dependency to every mod, which would require some great consensus on the "one proper solution"

L301[15:42:15] <barteks2x> I once was making a small private 1.11.2 modpack and wanted those additional ores mostly for variety for tcontruct ironchests and some others, and there was no small mod that generated them

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L303[15:42:58] <barteks2x> All the mods I had were "if thos ore exists, this will be possible" but no mod actually generated them

L304[15:43:51] <barteks2x> and all mods that would generate them added a ton of other stuff I didn't want

L305[15:44:29] <PaleoCrafter> ah well, that's a different story, yeah. but most mods like that simply provide alternative looks with the different materials, not necessarily extended functionality

L306[15:44:51] <PaleoCrafter> the copper chest being equivalent to an iron chest, for instance (at least I think that's the case, right? xD)

L307[15:45:11] <PaleoCrafter> so it's basically just a nice gimmick if you happen to have a mod which also provides these metals

L308[15:45:18] <barteks2x> it's intermediate between wood and iron

L309[15:45:47] <ghz|afk> someone mentioned "Fun Ores" not too long ago, in a ticket on one of my mods

L310[15:46:11] <ghz|afk> it does the basic ores... but also very silly ores that I don't really care much for

L311[15:46:25] <barteks2x> the name sounds like the kind of mod made by someone who just barely knows java and will abandon the mod in next version

L312[15:47:21] <ghz|afk> main ores: copper, tin, silver, lead, nickel, platinum, aluminium, zinc, titanium and osmium

L313[15:47:30] <ghz|afk> meat ores (wat?!): pig, fish, cow, chicken, rabbit, sheep, squid, bat

L314[15:47:52] <ghz|afk> mob ores (wtf?): in the overworld: zombie, skeleton, creeper, spider, enderman, slime, witch, guardian. In the Nether: zombie pigman, ghast, magma cube, wither skeleton, blaze

L315[15:48:18] <barteks2x> that really sounds like someone who just discovered he could make his own mods

L316[15:48:41] <ghz|afk> yeah, but it has been updated from 1.7.10 all the way up to 1.12.1

L317[15:48:53] <ghz|afk> which surprised me

L318[15:48:57] <abab9579> Wow

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L320[15:50:49] <PaleoCrafter> Are you sure it isn't a MCreator mod? xD

L321[15:51:12] <Ordinastie> that abomination still exists ?

L322[15:51:24] <barteks2x> it does mecause I know someone who tried to use it

L323[15:51:48] <barteks2x> definitely for 1.11 not sure about 1.12

L324[15:52:06] <abab9579> Not for 1.12 for now

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L326[15:55:01] <ghz|afk> wow the mcreator page is VERY annoying

L327[15:55:10] <ghz|afk> it only loads an image when the entire image bounds are on screen

L328[15:56:16] <ghz|afk> eh I wouldn't use that tool myself

L329[15:56:20] <ghz|afk> but I don't see it being too bad

L330[15:56:34] <ghz|afk> I guess it does lower the bar enough that anyone can make a shitty mod and feel proud

L331[15:56:56] <ghz|afk> but IMO, I'd rather see someone who can't code use mcreator than copypaste from random tutorials and then be confused when things don't work

L332[15:57:47] * ghz|afk shudders at https://mcreator.pylo.co/modifications

L333[15:58:19] <ghz|afk> on the upside

L334[15:58:28] <ghz|afk> I had never heard of any of the "popular" mods

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L336[16:26:27] <tterrag> ghz|afk: except mcreator often falls short and leaves people trying to modify it's garbage generated code

L337[16:26:35] <tterrag> which they then bring to support places like here

L338[16:27:34] <ghz|afk> right

L339[16:27:51] <ghz|afk> not sure that can be "fixed" though

L340[16:27:59] <ghz|afk> any automated code generator is going to have such drawbacks

L341[16:28:19] <ghz|afk> makes me wish items, blocks, entities, etc were declared using json (or some other kind of declarative language)

L342[16:28:34] <tterrag> they can be if you make that language

L343[16:28:36] <ghz|afk> so that the only reason people would have to write actual code, is to add special handlers

L344[16:28:44] <tterrag> then of course, your mod is a dependency for these created mods

L345[16:28:49] <tterrag> but it's better than spitting out crappy generated java

L346[16:29:19] <ghz|afk> I did a proposal for entities: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/FAIL/issues/2

L347[16:29:26] <ghz|afk> I was pretty much told to wait for mojang's official one ;P

L348[16:29:41] <ghz|afk> I guess I could impelment it on my own mod, but eh

L349[16:29:52] <ghz|afk> chances are it would need base edits to allow proper declarative registration

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L355[17:49:43] <risux> Is this mod missing something? The block and item registry events aren't getting called: https://gist.github.com/Ri5ux/2e67f3a1a0d98570e1cec0708f0b3124

L356[17:51:31] <Ordinastie> @EventSubscriber only works for static methods

L357[17:51:52] <Ordinastie> it has no way of knowing about any instance to subscribe

L358[17:52:53] <barteks2x> (not forge related): I told my friend I will <do something> if he comes up with hos own encryption algorithm that I can't crack. He knows proframmng just barely enough to write a console based calculator with 4 operations. He implemented RSA...

L359[17:53:11] <risux> Ohh, shit, yeah there's the mistake. Thanks

L360[17:53:38] <Ordinastie> barteks2x, do you really believe he "came up" with the implementation ?

L361[17:53:51] <barteks2x> I'm suspried he was able to even implement it

L362[17:53:59] <Ordinastie> Ctrl+C Ctrl+V

L363[17:54:11] <barteks2x> belive me it doesn't look copypasyed

L364[17:54:21] <barteks2x> it looks exactly like the kind of code he would write

L365[17:54:23] <Ordinastie> I'd try google his code still :p

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L367[18:00:54] <barteks2x> he swears he implemented it himself, I don't belive it

L368[18:15:02] <IoP> hmmm which language did he use?

L369[18:19:25] <risux> In 1.10 and newer, should I register a fluid during the Block RegistryEvent?

L370[18:19:55] <risux> Or is there an event specifically for use with fluids?

L371[18:20:38] <barteks2x> He used java obviously

L372[18:20:54] <LexMobile> InB4 Implementation error causing the encryption to be a billion times less secure then originally.

L373[18:20:59] * LexMobile glances at Blizzard

L374[18:27:50] <kenzierocks> something something don't roll your own crypto

L375[18:29:35] <ghz|afk> I like it more when worded like: if you think you can to crypto better than the professinals, it just shows just how ignorant you are

L376[18:30:41] <barteks2x> And I wanted to prove that to him this way, but failed because he actually implemented workign RSA

L377[18:31:58] <ghz|afk> working != properly secure

L378[18:33:06] <IoP> or even in larger context: if you think you can to code better than the professinals, it just shows just how ignorant you are

L379[18:33:35] <IoP> especially if you are rewriting bundled libraries for extra performance without measuring perfomance gain.

L380[18:33:42] <ghz|afk> that really is the key to it, *anyone* can write a working implementation of RSA or whatever other encryption algorithm

L381[18:33:58] <ghz|afk> (all it takes is knowing a language and reading the pseudocode)

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L383[18:35:00] <ghz|afk> the hard part is in the tiny details needed to ensure the the entire process is done in a way that maintains the security

L384[18:35:09] <ghz|afk> which is why using a mature encryption libary is so important

L385[18:35:39] <ghz|afk> those little mistakes have been fixed over years, and if there's any left, it's very unlikely

L386[18:35:44] <kenzierocks> also RSA can be cracked in a couple situations

L387[18:35:56] <kenzierocks> I had a lot of fun using modular arithmetic to do so

L388[18:36:21] <IoP> ...

L389[18:36:43] <IoP> RSA can be cracked always like every encryoption

L390[18:37:09] <kenzierocks> you can't really crack one-time-pad :P

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L409[19:49:48] <Hanii> I've not touched forge in a while. I went to compile the example mod for 1.10.2, and when I do ./gradlew build, the build fails with "error: package apple.laf does not exist"

L410[19:50:40] <Hanii> Is there something I'm missing?

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L425[20:32:33] <apextier> Is it possible to load a litemod in a forge dev environment?

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