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L2[00:07:57] <Waterpicker> Anyone ever tried
loading a mod into the classpath that isn't a coremod.
L3[00:07:57] <Waterpicker> I need to
accomplish this with pixelmon in order to use mixins iwth it.
L4[00:08:57] <mezz> best practice is
probably make a separate coremod for handling your mixin
stuff
L5[00:12:18] <Waterpicker> It is a seperrate
mode.
L6[00:12:54] <Waterpicker> The issue is that
pixelmon loads up to late for the mixins to be used.
L7[00:14:09] <tterrag> the mixins should be
a part of the coremod
L8[00:14:33] <Waterpicker> it is.
L9[00:15:16] <mezz> I don't think we
understand your situation correctly, can you explain more?
L10[00:17:04] <Waterpicker> I learnt from
mumfrey, the creator of the mixins technology, that you can't mix
into mods that aren't coremods.
L11[00:17:42] <Waterpicker> well. You can
if the mod is in the classpath at the time mixins is being run
which happens when coremods are being done.
L12[00:18:12] <Waterpicker> Pixelmon isn't
a coremod so my current issue occurs.
L13[00:18:21] <mezz> so you are not
developing pixelmon, you want to use mixins to alter pixelmon from
your coremod?
L14[00:18:59] <Waterpicker> No.
L15[00:19:06] <Waterpicker> Just mixins on
pixelmon
L16[00:19:10] <Waterpicker> oh yea.
L17[00:19:22] <mezz> ...?
L18[00:19:43] <Waterpicker> Sorry. I was
getting turned around.
L19[00:19:53] <Waterpicker> Yes. I'm trying
to alter pixelmon from my coremod.
L21[00:19:59] <capitalthree> kinky
L22[00:20:05] <mezz> I don't have any
experience there, I think you may be best off contacting
mumfrey
L23[00:20:55] <tterrag> so then don't use
mixins
L24[00:21:02] <capitalthree> what about a
load-after dependency?
L25[00:21:11] <tterrag> capitalthree:
that's forge mod only
L26[00:21:22] <tterrag> this is about fml
plugins ("core" mods)
L27[00:21:23] <capitalthree> pixelmon isn't
a forge mod?
L28[00:21:30] <capitalthree> ohh
L29[00:21:50] <Waterpicker> capitalthree,
pixelmon is a forge mod.
L30[00:21:59] <capitalthree> so it sounds
like a mod for another mod isn't really supposed to be a coremod
then
L31[00:22:08] <mezz> there is no load-after
if you are a coremod, they are always early
L32[00:22:49] <capitalthree> well it could
also just *wait* until after pixelmon loads right? :P
L33[00:23:01] <Waterpicker> capitalthree,
coremods are able to alter code.
L34[00:23:27] <Waterpicker> No fundmental
limit. ASM has to occur before mods are loaded up.
L35[00:23:40] <Waterpicker> eh. I don't
know the proper term.
L36[00:23:58] <tterrag> that's not true at
all
L37[00:24:02] <tterrag> ASM happens on
demand during classload
L38[00:24:11] <tterrag> it can (and does)
happen as late as world load, or later
L39[00:24:20] <Waterpicker> huh.
L40[00:24:22] <capitalthree> oh good
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L42[00:24:37] <Waterpicker> how does raw
non mixin asm work?
L43[00:24:48] <tterrag> you get a byte[]
and return a byte[]
L44[00:24:51] <tterrag> basically
L45[00:24:54] <Waterpicker> 0.o
L46[00:24:58] <tterrag> there's a lot of
abstraction to deal with that
L47[00:25:00] <Waterpicker> no wonder
mixins is so popular.
L48[00:25:01] <tterrag> but in the end,
that's it
L49[00:25:29] <Waterpicker> The current the
edit I'm doing is alteration of a single method.
L51[00:25:49] <tterrag> then just don't use
mixin
L52[00:25:57] <tterrag> how big a change?
and why?
L53[00:26:52] <Waterpicker> single method
and for server uses
L54[00:27:09] <mezz> generally asming
someone else mod is a good way to start an argument. can you work
out an API with them?
L55[00:27:10] <tterrag> how vague
L56[00:27:24] <tterrag> mezz: considering
pixelmon dev is dead...unlikely
L57[00:27:37] <tterrag> I don't mean the
person...that was phrased poorly
L58[00:27:53] <Waterpicker> I'm editing the
method that checks to pixelmon's servers.
L59[00:27:56] <tterrag> they were C&D'd
by nintendo
L61[00:28:11] <Waterpicker> I plan on
eventualy expanding what I'm doing with the plugin.
L62[00:28:35] <Waterpicker> This is just a
current small scale edit and working out the bug will let me do
bigger stuff later.
L63[00:29:13] <mezz> you may have to work
without mixins
L64[00:29:55] <mezz> from previous examples
like BinniePatcher, this type of work is not easy
L65[00:29:55] <Waterpicker> I was giving a
methodthat could work but don't the path needed
L66[00:32:39] <Waterpicker> nvm ... I just
hadd a typo in my FMLCorePlugin Entry...
L67[00:33:05] <capitalthree> a friend of
mine made a library for less painful coremodding
L69[00:33:13] <capitalthree> you might
wanna try this
L70[00:33:45] <Waterpicker> with me finding
that typo. I may not need it.
L71[00:33:55] <Waterpicker> the error I was
getting was related to taht.
L72[00:34:12] <capitalthree> are you just
trying to disable one check or are you going to have to do more
work with asm?
L73[00:34:45] <tterrag> cant' say I'm a fan
of that impl
L74[00:34:53] <tterrag> it's loading other
mod classes that aren't coremods
L75[00:35:07] <tterrag> forcing everything
through a single transformer
L76[00:35:23] <capitalthree> which impl,
Mini?
L77[00:35:26] <tterrag> yes
L78[00:36:10] <tterrag> and the
instructions for shading are stupid
L79[00:36:11] <capitalthree> hm I don't
know enough about coremodding to know why that's bad
L80[00:36:24] <tterrag> oh wait, nvm
L81[00:36:31] <tterrag> at first I thought
it was using the old reobf hacks to shade
L83[00:40:48] <capitalthree> (I didn't
write this either, unascribed did)
L84[00:42:01] <capitalthree> anyways it's a
lot more readable to me than usual asm code
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L89[01:01:08] <Waterpicker> My mixins
work!
L90[01:01:16] <Waterpicker> it was just
that typo.
L91[01:01:20] <capitalthree> yay!
L92[01:01:24] <capitalthree> congrats
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L99[01:59:06] <LexMobile> Quit it with the
coremods
L100[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV]
Pushing snapshot_20170806 mappings to Forge Maven.
L101[02:00:07] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV]
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(mappings = "snapshot_20170806" in build.gradle).
L102[02:00:18] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live
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L104[02:04:58] <PaleoCrafter> uh, Lex, I
generalised the table generation and added preloading in
ForgeModContainer.modConstruction, is that the appropriate
location?
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L106[02:24:56] <Ashlee> heya, wasn't forge
server supposed to be able to run against vanilla clients when no
added items/..?
L107[02:26:11] <PaleoCrafter> If all mods
declare themselves as server-only, yes
L108[02:26:15] <Ashlee> ah
L109[02:26:17] <Ashlee> then some mod
isn't
L110[02:26:28] <Ashlee> because "
This server requires FML/Forge to be installed. Contact your server
admin for more details."
L111[02:26:34] <Ashlee> now which one
:(
L112[02:28:09] <Ashlee> there we go, it
was one of the "server side only" claiming mod
L113[02:28:09] <Ashlee> s
L114[02:28:13] <Ashlee> thanks
PaleoCrafter
L115[02:30:41] <Ashlee> heh "mods for
1.12 should work on 1.12.1 fine" .. unless they check
specifically for MC version >:(
L116[02:32:22] <PaleoCrafter> depending on
how they specify their required MC version, they should still load
fine on 1.12.1
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L118[02:32:35] <Ashlee> yeah not Morpheus
nor NetherPortalFix :P ah well
L119[02:32:37] <Ashlee> will be added
later
L120[02:33:39] <Ashlee>
acceptedMinecraftVersions = "[1.12,1.13)"
L121[02:43:44] <LexMobile> If they
SPECIFICALLY check for 1.12 via the normal builtin method [1.12]
Then they will load, but anything else wont.
L122[02:44:02] <LexMobile> And ya thats
the right spot it looked fine last i glanced at it
L123[02:44:10] <Ashlee> odd that it won't
load then
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L131[03:19:11] <capitalthree> lol wat, I
have been kicked apparently
L132[03:19:15] <capitalthree> long after I
stopped talking
L133[03:19:43] <capitalthree> anyways are
there any events that fire when a mob spawner spawns mobs besides
SpecialSpawn?
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L139[03:53:42] <IoP> luckily my
"coremod" is tweaker
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L155[04:26:06] <LexMobile> Same
thing
L156[04:26:18] <Intektor> I have a
question regarding socketchannels, I have a byteBuffer but I only
want to write buffer#position bytes, how can I do this?
L157[04:26:20] <capitalthree> I am
considering a PR to forge to add a BlockPos for the spawner's
position to SpecialSpawn (subclass of LivingSpawnEvent for spawns
from mob spawners)
L158[04:26:30] <capitalthree> would that
go over well?
L159[04:26:40] <capitalthree> it's so that
a mod can figure out what spawner actually initiated a SpecialSpawn
event
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L166[04:33:07] <capitalthree> also should
all PRs be against the latest version of forge?
L167[04:33:32] <capitalthree> and if I
want the change available in 1.11.2 will it be too late for
that?
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L174[04:40:50] <Ordinastie> oh, that's
new
L175[04:41:03] <Ordinastie> pickBlock now
gets the full TE in natively
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L180[04:51:39] <PaleoCrafter>
capitalthree, it depends on what mezz deems worthy of being
backported
L181[04:52:04] <PaleoCrafter> but a PR
should always target latest, if it isn't a high priority bugfix
only applicable to an older version
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L184[05:12:20] <capitalthree> ok
L185[05:17:26] <ghz|afk> well you can make
backport PRs if you want something that was done to latest, in an
older version... but it does mean the original PR was to
latest
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L194[05:33:09] <capitalthree> gigaherz:
sounds fair.
L195[05:33:26] <capitalthree> nobody
commented on my pr idea itself though >_>
L196[05:33:49] <gigaherz> I don't have an
opinion on the idea
L197[05:34:00] <gigaherz> :P
L198[05:34:17] <gigaherz> if it seems
useful to you and others, why not.
L199[05:36:39] <capitalthree> Personally,
I want to make a mod that gives spawners finite durability. In
general, it could be used by any modder wanting to track or disable
a mob spawner's behavior for any reason.
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L223[08:27:27] <gigaherz> I almost
released survivalist with a whole bunch of missing localizations
XD
L224[08:45:08] <gigaherz> anyone wanna
betatest? ;P
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L226[08:48:21] <capitalthree> gigaherz:
survivalist?
L227[08:48:38] <gigaherz> yup
L228[08:49:12] <gigaherz> I'm making sure
that everything works on both 1.12 and 1.12.1
L229[08:49:18] <gigaherz> no reason it
shouldn't but eh.
L230[08:50:19] <gigaherz> why's mc1.12 so
stupidly laggy while entering a new world? >_<
L231[08:50:26] <gigaherz> it's WAY WORSE
than any previous version
L232[08:51:53] <capitalthree> I mean what
is survivalist?
L234[08:53:28] <capitalthree> gigaherz:
you're a TFC fan aren't you!
L235[08:53:35] <gigaherz> okay this can't
be right, it's still laggy
L236[08:53:36] <gigaherz> TFC?
L237[08:53:39] <gigaherz> or
terrafirmacraft?
L238[08:53:43] <gigaherz> nah
L239[08:53:55] <capitalthree>
terrafirmacraft
L240[08:54:01] <capitalthree> hmm, a lot
of this stuff is similar to tfc
L241[08:54:05] <gigaherz> yes
L242[08:54:11] <gigaherz> but I didn't
know about TFC when I wrote it ;P
L243[08:54:16] <capitalthree> anyways I
can try it out for the mediumcore modpack I'm messaging around with
building
L244[08:54:25] <capitalthree> it seems
interesting. no promises on whether I keep it
L245[08:54:30] <capitalthree> are the
various features configurable?
L246[08:54:42] <gigaherz> similarly
L247[08:54:50] <gigaherz> Primal core has
like 80% of the same features as I do
L248[08:55:18] <gigaherz> in the pre-1.12
version, yes
L249[08:55:20] <capitalthree> but not open
source apparently
L250[08:55:24] <gigaherz> every single
thing is configurable
L251[08:55:25] <capitalthree> boo primal
core, yay survivalist
L252[08:55:47] <gigaherz> in 1.12, I had
to choose between removing some settings, and having recipe
progression
L253[08:55:52] <gigaherz> and I chose the
progression
L254[08:56:01] <gigaherz> (as in,
advancements unlock recipes in the book)
L255[08:56:42] <capitalthree> ah
L256[08:57:05] <gigaherz> gonna see if
there's something spamming the log and causing the lag...
L257[08:58:17] <gigaherz> nope nothing in
the logs
L258[08:58:20] <gigaherz> WTF is causing
this lag ?!
L259[08:59:30] *
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L260[08:59:56] <gigaherz> okay not my
mod...
L261[09:00:08] *
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L262[09:01:25] <gigaherz> nope vanilla is
just as laggy
L263[09:01:37] *
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L264[09:01:49] <gigaherz> but at least
it's not my fault ¬¬
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L270[09:25:33] <gigaherz> capitalthree:
went ahead and just uploaded it to curseforge -- if you still want
to check it out, it will be available whenever they decide to
finish reviewing it :P
L272[09:28:15] <gigaherz> oh it's approved
already :D
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