OCLogs: 2017-03-06.log

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L13[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20170306 mappings to Forge Maven.

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L15[02:00:17] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

L16[02:00:45] <h5h77> new snapshot?

L17[02:01:42] <mezz> MCP makes a new snapshot automatically every night at this time

L18[02:02:15] <h5h77> yeah for a second there i thought it meant a new minecraft snapshot had just come out

L19[02:02:19] <mezz> ahh

L20[02:02:47] <mezz> nope we have excited devs to announce that manually, no bot :)

L21[02:03:11] <h5h77> well at least that means if you're reading it, you got someone to talk about it with

L22[02:04:02] <mezz> heh

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L24[02:10:15] <h5h77> i'm trying to keep a coherent theme with my mod but my ideas are just all over the place

L25[02:10:53] <mezz> write stuff down, some time later you'll want to write code and can't remember anything to do

L26[02:11:14] <h5h77> oh yeah i keep a noteblock on my desk at all times

L27[02:11:32] <mezz> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Note_Block ?

L28[02:11:39] <h5h77> i just feel like it's hard to have a meaningful progression if everything in your mod does something completely different

L29[02:11:59] <mezz> there are plenty of mods with no progression, it's not a requirement

L30[02:12:05] <h5h77> note pad^^

L31[02:12:18] <mezz> haha

L32[02:12:26] <h5h77> or college block

L33[02:15:59] <Ashindigo_> I feel like if there's no progression then you can go wild with ideas but if you have a progression then you need to work with the lore of the mod

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L35[02:16:46] <mezz> progression and lore creates better mods imo, but for a first mod it may be ambitious

L36[02:16:51] <h5h77> yeah but if there's no progression, you can't add the more powerful stuff without being OP

L37[02:18:43] <Ashindigo_> You could do the lazy resource gate

L38[02:19:01] <Ashindigo_> But I feel like something better than that could be done

L39[02:19:05] <h5h77> as in compressed nether stars?

L40[02:19:25] <mezz> "it's not OP because it requires effort"

L41[02:19:30] <h5h77> I think it'll be alright. I guess Botania is a good example of being all over the place but still having a good progression

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L43[02:20:12] <Ashindigo_> Effort being auto crafting and a wither grinder

L44[02:20:24] <h5h77> yeah exactly, I don't want that

L45[02:21:03] <mezz> one thing to keep in mind is that there are some features that will be overpowered no matter what you gate them behind, and that can make the game uninteresting no matter how many hoops people have to jump through

L46[02:21:38] <mezz> drawbacks can be as important as features

L47[02:23:41] <h5h77> yeah I agree. I'm thinking about something that is basically a permanent upgrade to the players bare hand as a weapon

L48[02:24:01] <h5h77> the idea is that it's still not as strong as a good sword, but a bit stronger and you can enchant your "hand"

L49[02:26:37] <h5h77> as a late game convenience, but not enough to beat the wither or anything basically

L50[02:27:10] <mezz> makes sense

L51[02:27:34] * Ashindigo_ punches non armored players

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L109[09:00:04] <barteks2-> Intellij never stops surprising me, I copied dependency section from pom.xml and pasted it to build.gradle, and it automatically cobverted it to gradle format

L110[09:00:37] <gigaherz|work> nice

L111[09:01:42] <IoP> cool

L112[09:16:21] <Ashindigo_> Neat

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L116[09:53:15] <TechnicianLP> if i have a tileentity with a resourceheavy "job" should i start a thread for each tile? (or maybe bunch them)

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L119[10:00:52] <williewillus> what kind of job is it?

L120[10:01:26] <gigaherz|work> TechnicianLP: no yo ushouldn ever start a thread for each tile

L121[10:01:38] <gigaherz|work> use tasks/workers/whatever java has

L122[10:01:50] <gigaherz|work> (a thread pool)

L123[10:02:38] <gigaherz|work> you should never*

L124[10:02:54] <TechnicianLP> yeah bunching them is a good idea

L125[10:03:20] <williewillus> what kind of task is it though?

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L127[10:03:50] <TechnicianLP> controller for different tiles ill implement

L128[10:04:03] <gigaherz|work> that's not what he asked

L129[10:04:09] <gigaherz|work> he's asking waht thing does it need to do

L130[10:04:14] <gigaherz|work> that would be unreasonable to execute inline

L131[10:04:55] <TechnicianLP> i know those kind of tasks can get really serverheavy if the controllers need to server a lot of tiles

L132[10:05:13] <TechnicianLP> serve*

L133[10:05:23] <gigaherz|work> that's not fixed by threads, though

L134[10:05:27] <williewillus> ^

L135[10:05:30] <gigaherz|work> if there's a lot of cpu time used

L136[10:05:33] <gigaherz|work> there's a lot of cpu time used

L137[10:05:38] <gigaherz|work> no matter how many threads you create

L138[10:05:39] <TechnicianLP> but it does not bring down the tps to like 3

L139[10:05:54] <williewillus> you also need to add complexity by making it safe

L140[10:06:04] <gigaherz|work> consider first splitting up the actions

L141[10:06:20] <williewillus> just throwing the threading magic dust around is more likely to kill you via race conditions than make the job easier :P

L142[10:06:24] <gigaherz|work> like, instead of searching a whole network at once, scan the network a few blocks at a time

L143[10:07:06] <TechnicianLP> or make the tiles query the controller instead of the other way round

L144[10:07:33] <gigaherz|work> anyhow, time to leave work

L145[10:08:04] <quadraxis> i'd laugh if that just involved a nick change

L146[10:09:21] <gigaherz|work> lol no, I don't work from home these days

L147[10:09:36] <gigaherz|work> oaky bb from home

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L151[10:17:50] <ScottehBoeh> Hello

L152[10:18:17] <ScottehBoeh> Just finished the basic mechanisms of my leveling system

L153[10:18:19] <ScottehBoeh> http://i.imgur.com/rQ8lAWV.png

L154[10:21:54] <ScottehBoeh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLNdv_3kIsM

L155[10:21:56] <ScottehBoeh> Notification mechanisms :D

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L159[10:32:19] <asdfowkw> Hi, I made a block with a custom model and custom boundries, but when i break it it has huge particles like a full block, where do i change the amount of particles?

L160[10:33:33] <masa> if I have an entity that shouldn't get rendered at all, do I need to register a dummy renderer for it?

L161[10:35:19] <masa> looking at RenderManager#shouldRender() I'm guessing I don't need it

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L167[10:57:21] <asdfowkw> I've made a custom pot for growing my crops, the problem is i dont know how to make the crop get planted at the correct height, any ideas? http://prntscr.com/egr0w8

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L169[11:00:38] <asdfowkw> Like, the vanilla seeds, when they are planted on farmland, they render 1 "pixel" down, so they are touching the farmland.

L170[11:00:55] <killjoy> asdfowkw, those are separate blocks?

L171[11:00:59] <williewillus> offset the model downwards?

L172[11:01:05] <williewillus> or render it from the pot

L173[11:01:10] <asdfowkw> ye thats what i wanna do =)

L174[11:01:20] <asdfowkw> offset model i google for then?

L175[11:01:25] <williewillus> ?

L176[11:01:38] <williewillus> in your json just move all the coordinates down :P

L177[11:02:18] <asdfowkw> my json for the crop dosnt have cordinates

L178[11:02:21] <asdfowkw> im using the "cross" model

L179[11:02:34] <asdfowkw> with the various age stages

L180[11:02:37] <asdfowkw> i have to make it a custom model?

L181[11:02:41] <williewillus> then you need to make a separate one and move it odwn

L182[11:02:44] <killjoy> just edit the cross model

L183[11:02:48] <williewillus> or use forge blockstate json and use the "transform" tag

L184[11:03:24] <asdfowkw> i have forge_marker 1 if thats what u mean

L185[11:03:33] <williewillus> show your blockstate json

L186[11:04:11] <asdfowkw> http://pastebin.com/8kihYpwj

L187[11:05:03] <williewillus> in the defaults block add this=> "transform": { "translation": [0, -1, 0] }

L188[11:05:11] <williewillus> then play with the -1 until it looks right

L189[11:05:27] <asdfowkw> thanks =) ! its x y z ?

L190[11:05:30] <williewillus> yeah

L191[11:06:01] <asdfowkw> where can i find this online?

L192[11:06:09] <williewillus> https://gist.github.com/RainWarrior/0618131f51b8d37b80a6

L193[11:06:12] <asdfowkw> im loocking at readthedocs now but it dont find transform

L194[11:06:32] <williewillus> unfortunately not well documented :P

L195[11:06:39] <killjoy> https://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/blockstates/states/

L196[11:06:47] <killjoy> assuming you know some of that stuff

L197[11:07:12] <asdfowkw> i saw looking at https://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/blockstates/forgeBlockstates/#forges-blockstates

L198[11:07:16] <williewillus> well that's kind of unrelated atm, they're asking about the forge format

L199[11:07:26] <williewillus> and the rtd article for the forge format is ancient *and* terrible :P

L200[11:07:33] <williewillus> should get artound to writing a replacement

L201[11:07:49] <killjoy> better yet, we should require a readthedocs pull with each new feature.

L202[11:08:32] <asdfowkw> While i have you guys here, I have told my "seed" to have this pot as farmland

L203[11:08:40] <asdfowkw> but its still plantable on normal farmland?

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L205[11:08:46] <williewillus> show code

L206[11:10:00] <asdfowkw> is this how u ment for the json btw? cause it aint working xD http://pastebin.com/nPcd6MGG

L207[11:10:10] <asdfowkw> or i need to quote it?

L208[11:10:25] <williewillus> transform is an obejct

L209[11:10:30] <williewillus> "transform": {

L210[11:10:35] <asdfowkw> ah

L211[11:10:38] <williewillus> "translation": [0, -1, 0]

L212[11:10:39] <williewillus> }

L213[11:10:44] <asdfowkw> silly me

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L215[11:16:03] <asdfowkw> ye about that farmland issue

L216[11:16:10] <asdfowkw> i guess its cause i extend itemseeds

L217[11:16:14] <asdfowkw> i dunno

L218[11:16:24] <williewillus> well show code :P i doubt it's the item, it's the block

L219[11:16:31] <asdfowkw> http://pastebin.com/dHAMeijC

L220[11:16:54] <williewillus> yeah show the block

L221[11:16:59] <asdfowkw> i want to forbid the item from being planted on the regular farmland

L222[11:17:07] <williewillus> oh

L223[11:17:12] <williewillus> i think that's in the block

L224[11:17:26] <asdfowkw> hm

L225[11:17:37] <asdfowkw> then it gets harder to override i guess

L226[11:17:57] <williewillus> why? isnt the block yours as well?

L227[11:18:02] <asdfowkw> not farmland

L228[11:18:06] <asdfowkw> oh

L229[11:18:09] <asdfowkw> u mean the crop block

L230[11:18:36] <asdfowkw> ye i have nothing in there except getseed getcrop

L231[11:19:22] <asdfowkw> ah canPlaceBlockAt from BlockBush

L232[11:19:51] <asdfowkw> i will ahve a lookaround in there =)

L233[11:19:52] <asdfowkw> thanks

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L235[11:22:25] <asdfowkw> Solved it ^^ !

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L249[12:09:31] <asdfowkw2> Can someone explains to me what the <T> and <TE> is? I see it frequently in tutorials in places but i dont know what they do

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L251[12:10:03] <Akkarin> They're generic arguments and you should really read up on that part of Java if you ever want to get anywhere ;-)

L252[12:11:25] <McJty> Yes, generics are pretty important these days

L253[12:11:54] <Aroma1997> !fh loadedTileEntityList

L254[12:13:06] <asdfowkw2> so if i do a public class TileEntity <TE>

L255[12:13:18] <asdfowkw2> all i can find after that is that they use TE to refer to it

L256[12:13:26] <williewillus> ?

L257[12:13:38] <asdfowkw2> i'm reading atm trying to figure out exactly what it is

L258[12:13:48] <williewillus> can you link the tutorial that has an example of what you're asking about?

L259[12:13:57] <asdfowkw2> https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/generics/types.html

L260[12:14:01] <asdfowkw2> https://shadowfacts.net/tutorials/forge-modding-1102/tile-entities/

L261[12:14:37] <asdfowkw2> It will have a generic parameter TE which will be the type of our tile entity class. This will be used to create a simple helper method to reduce the numebr of casts necessary to obtain the instance of our tile entity for a specific position in the world and to ensure that the TileEntity we create is of the correct type for our block instance.

L262[12:14:46] <williewillus> yeah it's a generic type parameter

L263[12:14:55] <McJty> The T between <T> is the name of a type. So if you have List<String> bla then you have a list where all elements will be of type String

L264[12:15:04] <williewillus> i personally think doing that is unnecessary for tile entiites but some people like it

L265[12:15:06] <McJty> That's the very short summary of it

L266[12:16:03] <asdfowkw2> man i remember when i went from non oop to oop. it took me like 5 years to understand what "this" really referred too.

L267[12:16:10] <asdfowkw2> i feel this will be another thing like that.-

L268[12:16:18] <williewillus> eh

L269[12:16:28] <williewillus> it's just a natural extension of types

L270[12:17:06] <PaleoCrafter> just think about it as a parameter, just that's not a value but a type :P

L271[12:17:15] <LexManos> ... i mean ya its a helper function.. but really...

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L273[12:18:04] <PaleoCrafter> Oh, Lex, I technically have the styles etc. ready for a repo already, probably wouldn't be bad to set it up already in order to have the issue reporting

L274[12:18:36] <LexManos> I understand it, but im more of a traditionalist, no-magic functions to save 1 line of code or 10 characters.

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L276[12:19:07] <LexManos> REALLY need Flamegoat to talk to me sometime so we can get some things rolling.

L277[12:19:27] <PaleoCrafter> heh, Curse tends to be the best way of contacting him, it seems :D

L278[12:19:52] <killjoy> What's a helicopter function?

L279[12:19:55] <killjoy> google fails me

L280[12:20:07] <killjoy> nvm

L281[12:20:09] <killjoy> I misread

L282[12:20:17] * killjoy is tired

L283[12:20:34] <PaleoCrafter> it's like helicopter parents, it constantly monitors what's happening in the stuff it calls

L284[12:20:46] <LexManos> ... we need to design something and coin the term helicopter function now...

L285[12:20:48] <killjoy> read helper as helicopter

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L288[12:28:29] <risux> DataWatcher got replaced by EntityDataManager, correct?

L289[12:28:34] <williewillus> yes

L290[12:28:41] <risux> Alright, awesome. Thanks

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L294[12:37:23] <risux> So based on the register() method in EntityDataManager, I also assume the max ID has been raised from ~30 to 254?

L295[12:37:51] <kashike> yes

L296[12:42:40] <masa> is there a way to force the DataManager to sync immediately upon initial entity spawn, or otherwise send the datamanager values, without adding custom packets just for this?

L297[12:42:45] <risux> I also assume that I will need to implement IDataSerializer on an Entity in order to register a value with the DataManager?

L298[12:43:13] <masa> what type of data are you sending?

L299[12:43:21] <masa> there are several serializers in vanilla

L300[12:43:31] <risux> Just an integer.

L301[12:44:05] <masa> there is one for that

L302[12:44:20] <masa> EntityAreaEffectCloud has an example

L303[12:44:32] <risux> Alright, thanks :)

L304[12:45:15] <risux> Oh wow, based on that I already like this system much better.

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L307[12:51:58] <asdfowkw2> If im gonna get started with energy, is it worth going for forge energy or should i go with cofh RF?

L308[12:52:13] <williewillus> i vote FE

L309[12:52:27] <williewillus> masa: i'm pretty sure they already sync on spawn?

L310[12:52:30] <Ashindigo_> FE

L311[12:52:34] <asdfowkw2> ok

L312[12:52:58] <asdfowkw2> nothing on it in the docs ? :P

L313[12:53:01] <Ashindigo_> FE is basically the same thing except with capability magic and its native to forge

L314[12:53:13] <Ashindigo_> Look at the capability doc

L315[12:53:27] <asdfowkw2> ok

L316[12:53:33] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: forge's, and if you want more, Tesla

L317[12:53:37] <ghz|afk> RF should be your last resort

L318[12:53:43] <ghz|afk> leave that to the mods that implement pipes/cables

L319[12:53:45] <ghz|afk> ;P

L320[12:53:51] <Ashindigo_> How many mods use tesla these days?

L321[12:53:57] <ghz|afk> quite a few

L322[12:54:10] <ghz|afk> https://twitter.com/TeslaApiFanClub

L323[12:54:15] <williewillus> does the new TE interop smoothly with FE?

L324[12:54:26] <ghz|afk> although it hasn't been updated in months

L325[12:54:26] <ghz|afk> XD

L326[12:54:39] <PaleoCrafter> some gut feeling makes me doubt that, williewillus :P

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L328[12:57:18] <asdfowkw2> just a quicky, i read extending EnergyStorage is better than implementing iEnergyStorage, but then i cant extend tileentity?

L329[12:57:32] <McJty> Where did you read that?

L330[12:57:39] <asdfowkw2> on the forums

L331[12:57:47] <McJty> Well that sounds like bad advice

L332[12:57:54] <asdfowkw2> so just implement ienergy?

L333[12:58:01] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: learn how capabilities work

L334[12:58:05] <McJty> But actually. What do you want to do?

L335[12:58:06] <ghz|afk> you don't implement/extend on your TE

L336[12:58:10] <ghz|afk> you create a separate instance

L337[12:58:15] <ghz|afk> and return it from getCapability

L338[12:58:18] <McJty> Your TE should not implement IEnergyStorage either

L339[12:58:20] <ghz|afk> (and return true from hasCapability)

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L341[12:59:54] <asdfowkw2> ghz, you have any example?

L342[13:00:16] <williewillus> https://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/datastorage/capabilities

L343[13:00:19] <williewillus> and https://gist.github.com/williewillus/c8dc2a1e7963b57ef436c699f25a710d

L344[13:00:42] <asdfowkw2> ye thats where im looking but there it clearly sais to implement capability provider on TE

L345[13:00:54] <williewillus> TileEntity already implements ICapabilityProvider

L346[13:01:20] <asdfowkw2> oh

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L348[13:01:38] <asdfowkw2> so all tile entities are pretty much already good to go for energy

L349[13:01:39] <williewillus> ICapabilityProvider != the capability interface

L350[13:01:43] <williewillus> no

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L352[13:01:56] <williewillus> read the terms section of my gist

L353[13:02:44] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: think of the capability system as attachable interfaces

L354[13:02:51] <ghz|afk> instead of "te instanceof IEnergy"

L355[13:02:57] <ghz|afk> you have "te.gasCapability(ENERGY)"

L356[13:03:04] <ghz|afk> and instead of "(IEnergy)te"

L357[13:03:10] <ghz|afk> you have "te.getCapability(ENERGY)"

L358[13:03:12] <h5h77> i made the same mistake

L359[13:03:15] <ghz|afk> where ENERGY is a Capability<IEnergy>

L360[13:03:16] <h5h77> you have to expose the capability

L361[13:03:21] <ghz|afk> so

L362[13:03:30] <ghz|afk> in order for someone else to be able to know that you have support for energy

L363[13:03:33] <ghz|afk> you'd do the following:

L364[13:04:35] <ghz|afk> 1. declare a field like "@CapabilityInject(IEnergyStorage.class) public static Capability<IEnergyStorage> ENERGY = null;" (will be assigned automatically for you)

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L366[13:05:14] <h5h77> https://github.com/shadowfacts/InductionCharger/blob/1.11.2/src/main/java/net/shadowfacts/inductioncharger/TileEntityCharger.java

L367[13:05:20] <h5h77> here's a simple implementation of an energy storage

L368[13:05:25] <ghz|afk> 2. declare a field to hold your energy buffer, such as "EnergyStorage buffer = new EnergyStorage(capacity);"

L369[13:05:28] <h5h77> it also has tesla/rf compatibility

L370[13:05:34] <ghz|afk> 3. tell others that you export this interface

L371[13:05:38] <ghz|afk> by overriding hasCapability

L372[13:05:48] <ghz|afk> and "if (cap == ENERGY) return true;"

L373[13:05:52] <ghz|afk> remember to keep the super call

L374[13:05:55] <ghz|afk> as fallback

L375[13:06:08] <ghz|afk> 4. allow others to obtain your energy interface object

L376[13:06:13] <ghz|afk> by overriding getCapability

L377[13:06:26] <ghz|afk> and doing "if (cap == ENERGY) return (T)buffer;"

L378[13:06:39] <ghz|afk> these 4 steps are THE SAME for any capability you want to export

L379[13:06:46] <asdfowkw2> Is the capabilities used for containers too?

L380[13:06:48] <ghz|afk> just replacing IEnergyStorage with some other interface

L381[13:07:01] <ghz|afk> what do you mean?

L382[13:07:13] <asdfowkw2> im thinking of this IItemHandler

L383[13:07:20] <ghz|afk> there's SlotItemHandler

L384[13:07:22] <ghz|afk> which is like Slot

L385[13:07:29] <ghz|afk> but it works with IItemHandler instead of IInventory

L386[13:07:36] <masa> williewillus: yeah they did, there was just some other derps why the BB of my entity didn't update immediately based on the width and height that I had in the DataManager. It worls properly now.

L387[13:07:37] <asdfowkw2> so it can hold 1 item for ex

L388[13:07:38] <ghz|afk> that's all you have to change in the Container side

L389[13:07:51] <ghz|afk> oh oyu mean just containers in general

L390[13:07:52] <ghz|afk> yes

L391[13:07:53] <ghz|afk> BUT

L392[13:07:55] <asdfowkw2> like i can make a plate where i can right click an item on to

L393[13:08:01] <ghz|afk> item containers have one extra thing you'll want to do

L394[13:08:04] <ghz|afk> which is in the field

L395[13:08:15] <ghz|afk> you'll probably use new ItemStackHandler(slots)

L396[13:08:15] <ghz|afk> but

L397[13:08:21] <asdfowkw2> It's alot to process now but i'll try to get into it xD

L398[13:08:27] <ghz|afk> you'll want to create an anonymous extension like

L399[13:08:35] <asdfowkw2> have to copy paste this chat

L400[13:08:38] <ghz|afk> new ItemStackHandler(slots) {

L401[13:08:54] <ghz|afk> overriding onSlotChanged so you can call markDirty() on the TE

L402[13:08:55] <ghz|afk> }

L403[13:08:56] <PaleoCrafter> logs are available at sbnc.khobbits.co.uk/log/logs/minecraftforge.htm :P

L404[13:09:27] <asdfowkw2> cool

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L409[13:17:28] <TechnicianLP> is there an easy way to get a player from uuid?

L410[13:17:38] <williewillus> there's a method on world or server iirc

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L412[13:17:51] <Lumien> I believe the method is in PlayerList

L413[13:17:55] <williewillus> but it just does a linear search of all players, since the set of logged in players is probably small

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L415[13:20:35] <TechnicianLP> should be ok

L416[13:20:38] <TechnicianLP> thanks

L417[13:26:06] <tterrag> actually I'm pretty sure there is kept a UUID->Player map somewhere in WorldServer

L418[13:26:20] <tterrag> ah no, that's all entities

L419[13:26:36] <tterrag> not gameprofile uuid

L420[13:26:48] <williewillus> isnt it the same for players?

L421[13:26:54] <tterrag> PlayerList is O(1) though

L422[13:27:01] <tterrag> it has Map<UUID, EntityPlayerMP> uuidToPlayerMap

L423[13:27:23] <tterrag> williewillus, yeah actually it might be

L424[13:27:23] <TechnicianLP> and intellij thinks PlayerList.getByUUID is nonnull

L425[13:27:35] <tterrag> mhm >> this.setUniqueId(getUUID(gameProfileIn));

L426[13:27:58] <tterrag> so it depends on what you want. are you looking for X player in Y dimension? or globally?

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L428[13:29:14] <TechnicianLP> globally

L429[13:29:18] <tterrag> then use PlayerList

L430[13:31:38] <asdfowkw2> So if i want to make a generator with forge energy, it is wrong to implement iEnergyStorage on the TileEntity?

L431[13:31:56] <williewillus> yes, it is incorrect

L432[13:32:09] <asdfowkw2> ok

L433[13:32:10] <williewillus> you don't implement anything on the TE directly

L434[13:32:29] <tterrag> not only wrong, but nonfunctional

L435[13:32:32] <tterrag> it would do nothing

L436[13:33:13] <asdfowkw2> So the only thing my TE class should extend is TileEntity?

L437[13:33:31] <asdfowkw2> and then i have capability helpers that i use in the file instead.

L438[13:33:41] <ghz|afk> yup

L439[13:33:48] <ghz|afk> that's the best thing about capabilities

L440[13:33:53] <ghz|afk> no implements mess

L441[13:33:56] <ghz|afk> everything is modular

L442[13:34:10] <ghz|afk> you can even attach capabilities to other TEs that are not your own

L443[13:34:31] <williewillus> !gm TileEntityHopper.getHopperInventory

L444[13:34:48] <ghz|afk> in fact, you could make an RF-to-forge converter

L445[13:34:58] <ghz|afk> that allows any RF machine to receive forge energy

L446[13:35:09] <ghz|afk> and forge stuff to "pull" from it

L447[13:35:12] <ghz|afk> but the opposite isn't true

L448[13:35:31] <ghz|afk> you can't make RF pipes able to extract/insert energy into capability-based TEs

L449[13:35:38] <TechnicianLP> got something wierd now: https://hastebin.com/ihewehuxol.java

L450[13:36:15] <williewillus> which sounds better: getExtractInventory vs getInventoryToExtractFrom

L451[13:37:11] <PaleoCrafter> getSourceInventory? :P

L452[13:37:29] <williewillus> sure :P

L453[13:37:49] <asdfowkw2> the hasCapability and getCapability that i should override, where do i find the originals?

L454[13:37:55] <williewillus> what do you mean originals

L455[13:38:05] <asdfowkw2> in what class are the ones im overriding

L456[13:38:11] <ghz|afk> williewillus: neither, PaleoCrafter's one sounds better ;P

L457[13:38:21] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: in your TE

L458[13:38:25] <ghz|afk> you override them in your TE

L459[13:38:26] <asdfowkw2> oh

L460[13:38:39] <ghz|afk> and TEs are ICapabilityProviders themselves

L461[13:38:42] <PaleoCrafter> Verbs in getters never really work

L462[13:38:45] <ghz|afk> (along with Entities and ItemStacks)

L463[13:39:08] <asdfowkw2> im starting to get somewhere i think

L464[13:39:08] <ghz|afk> PaleoCrafter: or anywhere else

L465[13:39:15] <ghz|afk> I mean, besides the "get" one

L466[13:39:16] <ghz|afk> like

L467[13:39:16] <asdfowkw2> its just one thing of your explanation up here i didnt get

L468[13:39:22] <ghz|afk> verb-object

L469[13:39:32] <ghz|afk> "getSomething" "isSomething" "setSomething", etc

L470[13:39:39] <asdfowkw2> u said something like if (cap == energy) return true

L471[13:39:46] <ghz|afk> yes that goes in your TE

L472[13:39:48] <asdfowkw2> whats are you refering to with cap

L473[13:39:56] <ghz|afk> cap is the parameter from the method

L474[13:39:57] <williewillus> hm

L475[13:40:01] <ghz|afk> may be "capability"

L476[13:40:08] <ghz|afk> but I shortened it to save typing

L477[13:40:15] <williewillus> is it intentional that the vanilla hopper cap hooks completely gloss over entities?

L478[13:40:22] <asdfowkw2> oh so like public boolean hasCapability(cap) ?

L479[13:40:28] <williewillus> if I'm reading this correctly it breaks hoppers extracting from hopper carts

L480[13:40:38] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: + the enumfacing, but yes

L481[13:40:39] <asdfowkw2> and then inside that i put the if statement

L482[13:40:44] <asdfowkw2> ok

L483[13:41:14] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: this is for IItemHandler

L484[13:41:18] <ghz|afk> but it should work as an example

L485[13:41:18] <ghz|afk> https://github.com/gigaherz/Survivalist/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/survivalist/rack/TileRack.java

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L487[13:42:08] <asdfowkw2> thank you, code is so much easier than text for me to understand haha

L488[13:42:12] <asdfowkw2> english aint my native language

L489[13:42:28] <ghz|afk> mine neither

L490[13:42:57] <asdfowkw2> so the hascapability is used to determine if it can send to others and getcapability is to receive?

L491[13:43:06] <ghz|afk> ....no

L492[13:43:13] <asdfowkw2> or was it the other way around?

L493[13:43:24] <ghz|afk> hasCapability is used to request if the TE has that feature or not

L494[13:43:33] <ghz|afk> getCapability is used to request the buffer object to send/receive from

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L496[13:43:54] <asdfowkw2> ah ok

L497[13:44:00] <ghz|afk> as I said before

L498[13:44:09] <ghz|afk> hasCapability is the dynamic equivalent of "instanceof"

L499[13:44:12] <asdfowkw2> ye im scrolling up and down here like a maniac ^^

L500[13:44:21] <ghz|afk> and getCapability is the dynamic equivalent of a type-cast

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L504[14:02:24] <williewillus> hm

L505[14:02:37] <williewillus> currently our hopper cap hooks don't consider entities

L506[14:02:55] <williewillus> but if I add support for it, since we patch caps onto things like players, it'll start trying to insert into those as well

L507[14:04:41] <ghz|afk> I don't think hoppers should pull from normal Capability<IItemHandler>

L508[14:05:10] <ghz|afk> maybe some Capability<IItemHandlerHopper> that is only exposed by entities that can have items pulled by hoppers?

L509[14:05:35] <williewillus> meh, adding subcaps is messy

L510[14:06:01] <ghz|afk> alternatively

L511[14:06:15] <ghz|afk> does it make sense for the player capability to allow pulling?

L512[14:06:32] <williewillus> it just wraps the iinventory

L513[14:06:40] <williewillus> and i don't see why it shoudl be restricted

L514[14:07:04] <ghz|afk> yeah we don't want to pull a Mojang and do only the minimal required to support our use case

L515[14:07:04] <ghz|afk> XD

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L517[14:10:18] <asdfowkw2> But my TE can still implement iTickable ye ? :P

L518[14:10:25] <h5h77> ye

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L520[14:10:45] <ghz|afk> yes

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L522[14:10:54] <TechnicianLP> should i make my machines explode for tick speedups?

L523[14:11:01] <williewillus> what do you mean :P

L524[14:11:01] <ghz|afk> ticking isn't a capability... yet at least

L525[14:11:01] <ghz|afk> ;p

L526[14:11:13] <ghz|afk> TechnicianLP: that's be awesome AND evil

L527[14:11:14] <ghz|afk> XD

L528[14:11:21] <h5h77> personal opinion: i had an exU quarry blow up on me and it made me ragequit

L529[14:11:25] <ghz|afk> williewillus: Torcherino -> BOOM

L530[14:11:26] <ghz|afk> ;P

L531[14:11:37] <h5h77> i don't mind them not working but blowing up your stuff without warning is no bueno :(

L532[14:11:41] <asdfowkw2> my generator is making power ! ^^

L533[14:11:51] <ghz|afk> h5h77: agreed

L534[14:12:11] <ghz|afk> this is only ok if it explodes by itself -- without breaking adjacent stuff

L535[14:12:47] <asdfowkw2> but trying to place a enderio conduit next too it crashed the game x)

L536[14:12:52] <h5h77> if you do that I'd add a warning using JEI description though

L537[14:12:53] <ghz|afk> heh

L538[14:12:57] <ghz|afk> analyze why ;p

L539[14:14:34] <asdfowkw2> no idea if this is correct but this worked for me? http://pastebin.com/0MBSh1qj

L540[14:15:21] <TechnicianLP> so fake explsoion and replace myself with fire - ok

L541[14:15:46] <williewillus> no

L542[14:16:10] <williewillus> `this` is not the capability implementation

L543[14:16:16] <williewillus> at least, I hope it's not

L544[14:16:34] <asdfowkw2> so i should return energy?

L545[14:16:35] <h5h77> you want a private field with your energycontainer

L546[14:16:40] <williewillus> T=IEnergyStorage in the FE case. does your TE implement IEnergyStorage?

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L548[14:16:48] <h5h77> https://github.com/shadowfacts/InductionCharger/blob/1.11.2/src/main/java/net/shadowfacts/inductioncharger/TileEntityCharger.java

L549[14:16:50] <williewillus> it doesn't

L550[14:16:53] <asdfowkw2> EnergyStorage buffer = new EnergyStorage(16000);

L551[14:16:54] <williewillus> so returns omething that does ;p

L552[14:16:57] <asdfowkw2> return buffer?

L553[14:17:04] <williewillus> yes

L554[14:17:09] <williewillus> you're returning the capability implementation

L555[14:17:27] <williewillus> i.e. an implementation of T given Capability<T>. so an implementation of IEnergyStorage

L556[14:17:33] <williewillus> and here's why unchecked casts are unsafe kids ;p

L557[14:18:00] <asdfowkw2> so return (T) buffer; is correcT?

L558[14:18:05] <williewillus> yes

L559[14:18:12] <asdfowkw2> ok :p

L560[14:18:19] <asdfowkw2> well

L561[14:18:31] <asdfowkw2> 10 minutes in this has given me more than a week with RF api.

L562[14:18:45] <h5h77> i really struggled trying to figure it out on my own at first too

L563[14:19:38] <williewillus> is there somethign about the docs that make it hard to approach?

L564[14:19:42] <williewillus> just asking for feedback reasons

L565[14:19:45] <williewillus> either rtd or my gist

L566[14:20:24] <h5h77> well i actually made the same exact mistake of thinking i had to implement the interface instead of using @CapHolder

L567[14:21:01] <h5h77> i think the forge docs would benefit tremendously from some simple reference code

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L569[14:21:16] <h5h77> like just a complete file for a tile entity

L570[14:21:21] <h5h77> so you don't have to keep track of everything in your head

L571[14:21:38] <williewillus> yeah true

L572[14:21:53] <williewillus> most contributors to rtd are wary of full code sampels bc it may encourage copy pasting

L573[14:22:07] <h5h77> copy pasting is how i learn though

L574[14:22:14] <h5h77> start by changing things then figure out which components are necessary

L575[14:22:24] <williewillus> that's usually a really slow way of learning

L576[14:22:31] <williewillus> and you end up not understanding everything you copy

L577[14:22:39] <williewillus> "it just works so I'll just copy it and leave it be"

L578[14:22:41] <h5h77> not the first time around but IMO that's the advantage

L579[14:22:48] <Ashindigo_> i look at other mods which use the thing im trying to figure out

L580[14:22:52] <h5h77> you can get going and learn it little by little as you try to adapt your machine

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L582[14:23:08] <h5h77> gives you something to motivate you as well, since you can see your results right away instead of after you understand everything

L583[14:23:09] <Ashindigo_> project e is a nice example that ive been looking at

L584[14:23:20] <williewillus> :P

L585[14:23:48] <h5h77> i tend to just play around with code until i feel like i get what's going on and then start over from scratch

L586[14:23:56] <h5h77> to make sure i do

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L588[14:24:15] <h5h77> also because by the end the code will be pretty ugly probably

L589[14:28:18] <h5h77> i really struggle to learn when reading in general though - for me it's gotta be videos or just messing around trying stuff out

L590[14:28:54] <Ashindigo_> i really dont learn from videos

L591[14:29:12] <Ashindigo_> though i mostly use videos as background noise then anything

L592[14:29:21] <h5h77> yeah no i focus on them, take notes and everything

L593[14:29:25] <Ashindigo_> i prefer text so i can quickly skip over to what i need

L594[14:29:38] <h5h77> and not like janky youtube tutorials where you get taught how to set eclipse each time you open a new video

L595[14:30:09] <h5h77> yeah i prefer just reading the code most of all, i don't find videos very convenient but i just can't concentrate with text, i don't know what it is

L596[14:32:00] <Ashindigo_> text tutorials also with hopefully have code snippets if you want to read through the code yourself and or compare with what you wrote

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L600[14:35:42] <asdfowkw2> copy pasting is how most of us learn i guess

L601[14:35:54] <asdfowkw2> its easier to have a piece of code and study what it do than to try to come up with it ureslef

L602[14:36:16] <Ashindigo_> i used to do that, i learned how to copy and paste to make stuff happen

L603[14:36:24] <Ashindigo_> didnt really know what i was actually doing with it

L604[14:36:46] <h5h77> that depends on what you do after you copied and pasted then

L605[14:36:51] <Ashindigo_> then decided to sit down and write some pure java stuff to get to know java it self better

L606[14:36:56] <h5h77> like sure if you just randomly change thigns until it works you're not gonna learn

L607[14:37:01] <Ashindigo_> worked out much better when i came back to mc modding

L608[14:37:01] <asdfowkw2> for example now

L609[14:37:08] <asdfowkw2> i have a "generator" making forge energy

L610[14:37:15] <asdfowkw2> its generating every tick as it should

L611[14:37:22] <asdfowkw2> but now i want to output it to cables

L612[14:37:29] <asdfowkw2> i have no idea where to start looking in the docs

L613[14:37:32] <IoP> Don't paste paste without understanding content or thinking if solution is correct.

L614[14:37:43] <asdfowkw2> but with an example code it gets like "ah thats how it works"

L615[14:37:46] <h5h77> i think there's just different types of learners

L616[14:38:06] <h5h77> like when i read a text that tells me exactly what to do, i just can't keep track of it in my head

L617[14:38:13] <h5h77> but when i look at the code it makes perfect sense

L618[14:38:18] <asdfowkw2> I'm trying to look at shadowfacts inductioncharger, but it has so many methods from RF and Tesla so its not easy

L619[14:38:22] <h5h77> it's not that I'm just copying and pasting without understanding it

L620[14:38:32] <asdfowkw2> same

L621[14:38:54] <IoP> I've noticed more than once that SO has incorrect accepted answers :/

L622[14:39:04] <asdfowkw2> and people tend to get really annoyed with ppl that learn this way cause they think we are just fishing for free code :p

L623[14:40:01] <h5h77> basically

L624[14:40:04] <h5h77> just ignore the adaptors

L625[14:40:10] <h5h77> you don't need them at all if you only want FU

L626[14:40:14] <h5h77> and you can still add them after the fact

L627[14:40:23] <h5h77> ignore update() completely

L628[14:40:53] <h5h77> ignore all methods that have @Override, those are RF

L629[14:41:01] <asdfowkw2> well its rf i wanna work with

L630[14:41:12] <h5h77> right

L631[14:41:13] <asdfowkw2> right now i want it to connect to enderio

L632[14:41:19] <h5h77> enderio is forge energy

L633[14:41:23] <h5h77> it just calls it RF

L634[14:41:24] <asdfowkw2> oh o.O

L635[14:41:26] <h5h77> it's a bit confusing

L636[14:41:52] <asdfowkw2> but for example, the RF api has functions like "CanConnectEnergy" etc

L637[14:41:59] <h5h77> ignore all of them

L638[14:42:18] <asdfowkw2> ye but whats the forge way of knowing if the item next to me can recieve energy then :p

L639[14:42:25] <h5h77> forge energy

L640[14:42:33] <h5h77> has an implementation of EnergyStorage() somewhere

L641[14:42:44] <h5h77> it's basically exactly the same as the tesla one

L642[14:42:57] <h5h77> this induction charger uses the tesla one though, so you just want to import the FU one and use that instead

L643[14:43:37] <h5h77> your energy storage takes care of that

L644[14:43:44] <asdfowkw2> This is what i have right now, just a passive generator making 1rf per tick http://pastebin.com/mkG78Ze8

L645[14:43:46] <PaleoCrafter> FE implies sidedness by way of capabilities asdfowkw2

L646[14:44:06] <asdfowkw2> does everything look correct in there?

L647[14:45:01] <h5h77> i think you need to call your buffers nbt methods

L648[14:45:14] <asdfowkw2> ye im not saving it yet :p

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L650[14:45:37] <h5h77> on first glance it looks good but I'm not an expert myself :P

L651[14:46:19] <asdfowkw2> Ye but if i put a cable on it now on any side, to determine if theres a cable there and send energy, i need to add other capabilitys?

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L654[14:47:02] <asdfowkw2> I really dnot understand much of the WOT from willies git

L655[14:47:10] <h5h77> you can try to push out energy to the sides on update() but i haven't done that yet so don't ask me for specifics

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L657[14:47:44] <h5h77> otherwise if you configure your enderio conduits to pull it should work

L658[14:48:01] <asdfowkw2> i dont think energy has auto-extracT?

L659[14:48:23] <h5h77> yeah exactly, you gotta configure your conduits to pull power

L660[14:48:27] <h5h77> or try and push out in your update() function

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L662[14:49:20] <asdfowkw2> if i use hasCapability(energy, enum.up) will it check if the block above can accept energy then?

L663[14:49:23] <asdfowkw2> is that how it works?

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L665[14:49:54] <SkySom> no

L666[14:50:08] <SkySom> That's checking if the current block, can accept energy from the top

L667[14:50:41] <asdfowkw2> okey

L668[14:50:49] <asdfowkw2> ah

L669[14:50:52] <asdfowkw2> so right now

L670[14:50:57] <asdfowkw2> my block can accept energy from any side

L671[14:51:09] <asdfowkw2> well since its an generator it shouldnt accept energy at all

L672[14:51:19] <asdfowkw2> so i can basically get rid of the hascapability in this case?

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L674[14:53:03] <asdfowkw2> hm, its still generating but cables wont connect without it

L675[14:53:07] <Ashindigo_> theres a constructor in EnergyStorage that allows you to set the max extract and max recieve as well as the capacity

L676[14:53:22] <asdfowkw2> ill have a look

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L678[15:04:15] <asdfowkw2> Someone said enderio is forge energy so i could use that to look at?

L679[15:04:22] <asdfowkw2> I dont find any of these capabilities there

L680[15:06:54] <h5h77> enderio is probably not very good for learning

L681[15:07:04] <h5h77> since it's a big mod it's all a bit more compartmentalized

L682[15:07:25] <h5h77> i would look for smaller mods

L683[15:07:34] <h5h77> that don't have the need to generalize functionality as much

L684[15:08:46] <asdfowkw2> Do you know any mod that uses forge energy?

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L686[15:13:38] <asdfowkw2> all mods i know of use cofh :p

L687[15:14:19] <h5h77> uhh

L688[15:14:29] <h5h77> well i linked you the simplest code example i found so far

L689[15:15:04] <ghz|afk> I used forge's in ender-rift

L690[15:15:08] <asdfowkw2> ye but that was for item wasnt it?

L691[15:15:09] <ghz|afk> but I also have tesla soft-wrappers

L692[15:15:13] <ghz|afk> nono

L693[15:15:15] <ghz|afk> different mod

L694[15:15:15] <ghz|afk> XD

L695[15:15:18] <TechnicianLP> enderio uses evnets to atach the power capabilities

L696[15:15:36] <ghz|afk> https://github.com/gigaherz/Ender-Rift/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/enderRift/generator/TileGenerator.java

L697[15:15:39] <ghz|afk> I didn't link this earlier

L698[15:15:53] <ghz|afk> because I didn't want to confuse you with the wrappers I use to make tesla a soft dependency

L699[15:16:22] <h5h77> ohhh that actually sounds useful for me

L700[15:16:22] <ghz|afk> https://github.com/gigaherz/Ender-Rift/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/enderRift/automation/driver/TileDriver.java

L701[15:16:32] <ghz|afk> that's a generator, and a consumer

L702[15:16:44] <ghz|afk> https://github.com/gigaherz/Ender-Rift/tree/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/enderRift/plugins/tesla

L703[15:16:58] <ghz|afk> and this is my tesla compatibility layer

L704[15:17:07] <asdfowkw2> driver is both or only consumer?

L705[15:17:11] <ghz|afk> only consumer

L706[15:17:15] <asdfowkw2> ok

L707[15:17:17] <asdfowkw2> thanks alot =) !

L708[15:17:26] <asdfowkw2> gonna try to figure out how everyrthing works now

L709[15:17:38] <ghz|afk> https://github.com/gigaherz/Ender-Rift/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/enderRift/common/EnergyBuffer.java

L710[15:17:42] <asdfowkw2> but i see u import the capabilitys directly?

L711[15:17:47] <asdfowkw2> thats prefered or?=

L712[15:17:55] <ghz|afk> it's preferred to use @CapabilityInject

L713[15:17:57] <h5h77> if all else fails, just start with a mod and just keep removing stuff until you have the simplest possible implementation :P

L714[15:18:01] <ghz|afk> that code is from before I learned about that

L715[15:18:07] <h5h77> *start with a working mod

L716[15:18:13] <asdfowkw2> oh ok

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L718[15:18:46] <ghz|afk> it does work, though

L719[15:18:51] <ghz|afk> but local statics are faster than external ones

L720[15:19:14] <ghz|afk> and getCapability/hasCapability are performance-sensitive enough to use the local version

L721[15:19:20] <asdfowkw2> but

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L723[15:19:31] <asdfowkw2> is hascapability nessecary on a generator?

L724[15:19:35] <asdfowkw2> for energy only

L725[15:19:48] <Ashindigo_> is there a way to set a username for my dev-env player?

L726[15:19:50] <ghz|afk> it is not necessary to expose the buffer in a generator

L727[15:19:57] <ghz|afk> but if some other block wants to pull energy

L728[15:19:58] <Ashindigo_> so i can keep one PlayerXXX

L729[15:20:06] <ghz|afk> I wanted to allow that too

L730[15:20:17] <ghz|afk> Ashindigo_: yes, you cna provide --name and --uuid on the commandline

L731[15:20:26] <asdfowkw2> ye but hascapability is not needed unless i want to allow other blocks to insert/extract energy?

L732[15:20:35] <ghz|afk> pretty much

L733[15:20:39] <asdfowkw2> ok =)

L734[15:20:41] <ghz|afk> same for getCapability

L735[15:20:43] <ghz|afk> they go together

L736[15:20:45] <asdfowkw2> See, I'm learning x) slowly

L737[15:20:56] <ghz|afk> and you should always make sure that you implement both

L738[15:21:04] <Ashindigo_> thanks giga

L739[15:21:12] <ghz|afk> so that if hasCapability would return false, getCapability returns null

L740[15:21:23] <ghz|afk> and if getCapability would return non-null, hasCapability returnst rue

L741[15:21:32] <ghz|afk> returns true*

L742[15:23:33] <asdfowkw2> u have an operator i honestly never seen before

L743[15:23:35] <asdfowkw2> |=

L744[15:24:06] <TechnicianLP> booleanA = boleanA || BooleanB

L745[15:24:32] <asdfowkw2> cool

L746[15:24:46] <ghz|afk> or number = number | othernumber

L747[15:25:13] <TechnicianLP> he probably doesnt know bit modifiers

L748[15:25:56] <ghz|afk> well then he needs to learn the basics of how computers work ;P

L749[15:27:01] <h5h77> i honestly love bit operations

L750[15:27:17] <h5h77> it's like playing sudoku

L751[15:27:43] <PaleoCrafter> Wat

L752[15:27:54] <h5h77> well cause you gotta figure it out

L753[15:27:56] <ghz|afk> I wouldn't describe them like that ;P

L754[15:28:19] <h5h77> well ya know

L755[15:28:21] <h5h77> it kinda is though

L756[15:28:29] <h5h77> i don't really know how to describe it without an example

L757[15:28:52] <ghz|afk> the closest thing to a sudoku I can imagine related to bitwise operators

L758[15:28:57] <ghz|afk> is filling up a truth table

L759[15:29:05] <PaleoCrafter> Heh

L760[15:29:14] <h5h77> well i wasn't being that literal

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L762[15:29:19] <h5h77> i just mean following the logic along

L763[15:29:27] <asdfowkw2> this is gonna sound stupid but i have to ask u

L764[15:29:35] <asdfowkw2> in ure update u have if world is remote,

L765[15:29:40] <asdfowkw2> but i cant see a world declared anywhere

L766[15:29:47] <ghz|afk> this.world

L767[15:29:48] <asdfowkw2> i know what it does but i just dont see any World

L768[15:29:53] <PaleoCrafter> That reminds me, any electrical engineers in here xD

L769[15:29:57] <ghz|afk> it's a field in the class

L770[15:29:57] <asdfowkw2> if (world.isRemote)

L771[15:29:57] <asdfowkw2> return;

L772[15:30:00] <asdfowkw2> thats what u have

L773[15:30:02] <ghz|afk> yes

L774[15:30:12] <asdfowkw2> wouldnt that give u error

L775[15:30:13] <ghz|afk> java looks for the name in the instance

L776[15:30:21] <ghz|afk> on top of looking at the local variables

L777[15:30:23] <ghz|afk> so in that case

L778[15:30:31] <ghz|afk> world is equivalent to "this.world"

L779[15:30:45] <PaleoCrafter> Don't get me wrong, asdfowkw2, but I think you should invest some more time in learning Java and basic OOP before delving into modding :P

L780[15:30:52] <h5h77> like here's the logic for a half carry on a z80 processor

L781[15:30:53] <h5h77> (((target_value & 0b1111) + (value & 0b1111) + (adc ? 1 : 0)) & 0b10000)

L782[15:30:56] <Shambling> so I've never used |= before... is it basically if x true, then x = x, unless y is already true, then x = y?

L783[15:31:05] <PaleoCrafter> A lot of pretty basic questions coming from you

L784[15:31:16] <h5h77> it's like a little logic puzzle of it's own

L785[15:31:42] <PaleoCrafter> Shambling, it's just like any other <operator>= expression :P

L786[15:31:44] <asdfowkw2> ye but i know what it does i just dont know where it takes the world from, since its clearly not anywhere in this file

L787[15:31:57] <ghz|afk> Shambling: a |= b is nothing more than a shorthand for "a = a |b"

L788[15:32:11] <Shambling> yes, but how does it determine if it is b, rather than a

L789[15:32:18] <ghz|afk> what?

L790[15:32:23] <ghz|afk> that's how "or" works

L791[15:32:31] <ghz|afk> it returns true if either of the values are true

L792[15:32:50] <TechnicianLP> best thing is if your teacher doesnot know that stuff ...

L793[15:32:50] <PaleoCrafter> I think have provides this syntax for every binary operator

L794[15:32:57] <Shambling> as so only useful for true

L795[15:33:04] <ghz|afk> wat

L796[15:33:08] <Shambling> errr boolean

L797[15:33:10] <Shambling> my bad :P

L798[15:33:10] <ghz|afk> no

L799[15:33:12] <PaleoCrafter> Wat²

L800[15:33:17] <ghz|afk> it works with integers too

L801[15:33:22] <h5h77> you can use it for booleans or to do bit operations on numbers

L802[15:33:25] <ghz|afk> it just applies the operation to each bit separately

L803[15:33:31] <Shambling> alright so if a = 0, and b = 5, and a |=b, then a = 5

L804[15:33:38] <h5h77> if you do number1 | number2, the resulting number will have a 1 bit wherever either number has one

L805[15:33:39] <PaleoCrafter> Well, those are just glorified lists of booleans ;P

L806[15:33:44] <ghz|afk> Shambling: yes

L807[15:33:55] <ghz|afk> but if a=3 and b=6, then a|=b will be 7

L808[15:34:02] <Shambling> ... wat

L809[15:34:09] <Shambling> oh or all the bits

L810[15:34:15] <ghz|afk> exactly

L811[15:34:17] <Shambling> kk

L812[15:34:25] <Shambling> I semi remember that shit

L813[15:34:32] <Shambling> I think I only used it when accessing video memory

L814[15:34:43] <ghz|afk> bitwise ops are really just the same as the boolean equivalents

L815[15:34:48] <ghz|afk> xcept they work on each bit

L816[15:34:59] <PaleoCrafter> Think of it as bits(i).group(bits(j)).map((a,b) -> a|b)

L817[15:35:12] <Shambling> yeah I didn't know you were talking about bitwise with that command, I thought it was just a new general command, like +=

L818[15:35:14] <TechnicianLP> ?

L819[15:35:18] <h5h77> hahaha yeah if i didn't know bitwise operators that explanation would help a lot

L820[15:35:40] <PaleoCrafter> It sure would :P

L821[15:35:54] <h5h77> :P

L822[15:35:58] <ghz|afk> Shambling: that's the thing, it is.

L823[15:36:09] <ghz|afk> a|=b

L824[15:36:14] <ghz|afk> is the same as a=a|b

L825[15:36:17] <PaleoCrafter> Gotta get into that declarative mindset

L826[15:36:37] <ghz|afk> it just so happens that "|" is a bitwise operator

L827[15:37:06] <ghz|afk> hmm does java allow "|" on booleans?

L828[15:37:10] <PaleoCrafter> As I said, Java provides these sort of "apply binary operator and assign" 'operators' for all operators

L829[15:37:12] <PaleoCrafter> It does

L830[15:37:13] <ghz|afk> (as in, non-shortcircuitting or)

L831[15:37:34] <PaleoCrafter> Oh, not sure if it doesn't short-circuit

L832[15:37:42] <PaleoCrafter> But it's valid syntactically

L833[15:38:04] * ghz|afk nods

L834[15:38:28] <PaleoCrafter> http://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jls/se7/html/jls-15.html#jls-15.22.2

L835[15:38:46] <PaleoCrafter> i.e. non short-circuiting

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L837[15:40:34] <PaleoCrafter> When we covered boolean operations in CS class, both forms were introduced, treated as equal though

L838[15:41:06] <ghz|afk> I believe in C, the single-| operator doesn't short-circuit

L839[15:41:12] <ghz|afk> or maybe i have been wrong for like 15 years

L840[15:41:13] <PaleoCrafter> Consequently, everybody but me was using the 'bitwise' ones, because they're obviously superior due to the one character saved

L841[15:41:15] <ghz|afk> ;P

L842[15:42:16] <ghz|afk> just googled

L843[15:42:23] <ghz|afk> & ^ | are non-shortcircuit

L844[15:42:28] <h5h77> yeouch

L845[15:42:50] <asdfowkw2> My world question was just how you could use world or this.world without having World world anywhere.

L846[15:42:53] <h5h77> i've never seen someone use bitwise for boolean comparisons

L847[15:43:02] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: it's in the superclass

L848[15:43:08] <ghz|afk> TileEntity declares World

L849[15:43:13] <ghz|afk> I extend TileEntity

L850[15:43:22] <ghz|afk> and world is protected, so I can access it

L851[15:43:29] <h5h77> are you using an IDE?

L852[15:43:33] <PaleoCrafter> Just like I linked and said above, ghz|afk?

L853[15:43:50] <h5h77> in eclipse you can ctrl + click to enter class declarations

L854[15:43:59] <ghz|afk> PaleoCrafter: I don't see anywhere in there that it says non-shortcircuit :/

L855[15:44:19] <ghz|afk> oh wait I see

L856[15:44:20] <PaleoCrafter> Well, it's a little implicit

L857[15:44:26] <PaleoCrafter> Both have to be true

L858[15:44:26] <ghz|afk> the other operators explicitly talk about not evaluating

L859[15:44:30] <PaleoCrafter> Exactly

L860[15:44:34] <ghz|afk> while the bitwise ones do not

L861[15:45:03] <PaleoCrafter> Also, I can't think of any reason to avoid short-circuiting apart from being nasty and relying on side effects xD

L862[15:45:29] <ghz|afk> yeah that's why it's rarely used xcept by ignorance

L863[15:47:17] <asdfowkw2> my ide gives me error if i dont declare my own world.

L864[15:48:02] <asdfowkw2> or if i dont use worldObj

L865[15:48:30] <ghz|afk> that simply means you use older mappings

L866[15:48:31] <ghz|afk> ;P

L867[15:48:50] * Ashindigo_ makes a note to update his forge sometime

L868[15:48:54] <asdfowkw2> but i downloaded it 2 days ago :o

L869[15:49:03] <ghz|afk> the MDK comes with old mappings

L870[15:49:03] <PaleoCrafter> I suppose some hardcore people could be doing stuff like (cache1 = condition1) | (cache2 = condition2)

L871[15:49:14] <ghz|afk> if you want newer ones, you have to change them yourself in the build.gradle

L872[15:49:17] <Shambling> what ide are you using?

L873[15:49:24] <Shambling> oh yeah

L874[15:49:28] <Shambling> forgot about that as wel :P

L875[15:49:42] <asdfowkw2> is it worth doing? :P

L876[15:50:00] <Akkarin> Well that's for you to decide

L877[15:51:04] <h5h77> did you do ./gradlew eclipse or the intellij equivalent?

L878[15:51:17] <asdfowkw2> me?

L879[15:51:20] <h5h77> yes

L880[15:51:21] <asdfowkw2> idea

L881[15:51:29] <asdfowkw2> mappings = "snapshot_20161111"

L882[15:51:40] <quadraxis> what mc version?

L883[15:51:49] <asdfowkw2> version = "1.10.2-12.18.3.2239"

L884[15:51:51] <ghz|afk> 1.10.2 I believe ;P

L885[15:52:00] <ghz|afk> you can use stable_29

L886[15:52:05] <ghz|afk> it's the last one released for 1.10.2

L887[15:52:11] <quadraxis> yeah use stable_29

L888[15:52:22] <TechnicianLP> can i just drop mods into my folder in the dev environment? (i need some speedup wand)

L889[15:52:31] <asdfowkw2> okey, do my work gets deleted or something?

L890[15:52:31] <ghz|afk> yes TechnicianLP

L891[15:52:35] <ghz|afk> doesn't ensure they work

L892[15:52:39] <ghz|afk> some mods so really bad crap

L893[15:52:58] <killjoy> if it's not a coremod, it's a safe bet probably

L894[15:52:59] <ghz|afk> but generally, yes

L895[15:53:06] <ghz|afk> and in some corner cases

L896[15:53:07] <TechnicianLP> but it should runtimedeobf - ok thx

L897[15:53:11] <ghz|afk> BON2 does the trick

L898[15:53:13] <h5h77> you can also use maven to include mods at runtime

L899[15:53:16] <asdfowkw2> do i just run setupDecompWorkspace again now?

L900[15:53:20] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: yes

L901[15:53:21] <quadraxis> yes

L902[15:53:25] <ghz|afk> and then click the blue refresh icon

L903[15:53:28] <ghz|afk> in the gradle panel of idea

L904[15:53:28] <asdfowkw2> cool =)

L905[15:53:34] <asdfowkw2> wait?

L906[15:53:36] <TechnicianLP> i dont wanna use maven if i dont use source from it

L907[15:53:39] <asdfowkw2> i usually do this from idea

L908[15:53:41] <asdfowkw2> cmd*

L909[15:53:53] <ghz|afk> I prefer to doubleclick from idea's gradle panel

L910[15:53:55] <ghz|afk> but either way

L911[15:54:00] <asdfowkw2> gonna check that out =)

L912[15:54:04] <ghz|afk> setupDecompWorkspace won't just update IDEA's project

L913[15:54:07] <ghz|afk> in order to sync

L914[15:54:12] <ghz|afk> you have to click that blue refresh icon

L915[15:54:32] <Shambling> I just put the mods in my run/mods folder, but then again I think taht requires that you copile the whole thing instead of doing live code changes

L916[15:54:43] <Shambling> I do genIntellijRuns

L917[15:54:49] <Shambling> I finally remember it without having to google every time

L918[15:54:59] <Shambling> and then go to edit, and set the run variables to name-main, instead of main

L919[15:55:05] <Shambling> because... stuff

L920[15:55:34] <Shambling> oh you mean to sync the stable_29 thing

L921[15:55:38] <Shambling> nm :P

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L923[15:56:13] <ScottehBoeh> Woohoo :D http://i.imgur.com/cLUBG1K.png

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L925[15:56:20] <ScottehBoeh> What do you guys think?

L926[15:56:25] <asdfowkw2> is the gradle toolbar in the community version?

L927[15:56:27] <ScottehBoeh> It's a in-game toggleable menu

L928[15:56:48] <h5h77> looking real good, but the pixels don't scale evenly

L929[15:56:50] <ghz|afk> yes, asdfowkw2

L930[15:56:53] <ghz|afk> if you don't find it

L931[15:56:59] <ghz|afk> click the icon on the bottom-left

L932[15:57:01] <ghz|afk> ;P

L933[15:57:01] <ScottehBoeh> indeed :S I'll make a new pair

L934[15:57:05] <ghz|afk> I mean hover the icon*

L935[15:57:19] <asdfowkw2> ye theres no gradle there

L936[15:57:24] <asdfowkw2> already look in view -> tool window

L937[15:57:31] <ghz|afk> weird

L938[15:57:43] <ScottehBoeh> I was finding STUPID ways of converting key codes

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L940[15:57:51] <ScottehBoeh> until I discovered that Minecraft arlready did it.

L941[15:57:53] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: maybe you chose no to install gradle support

L942[15:57:56] <ghz|afk> when you installed idea?

L943[15:58:11] <asdfowkw2> no idea

L944[15:58:15] <ghz|afk> go to settings -> plugins

L945[15:58:20] <ghz|afk> check if IDEA is in the list

L946[15:58:21] <h5h77> maybe follow the video on the forge repo again?

L947[15:58:29] <h5h77> it shows you how to set it all up with intellij

L948[15:58:37] <Ashindigo_> Lookin nice scotteh

L949[15:58:52] <asdfowkw2> gradle is in the list

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L951[15:59:06] <asdfowkw2> but not IDEA

L952[15:59:12] <ghz|afk> ?

L953[15:59:16] <ghz|afk> what?

L954[15:59:24] <asdfowkw2> u said check if IDEA is in the list xP

L955[15:59:24] <ScottehBoeh> Thanks Ashindigo_ :)

L956[15:59:27] <ghz|afk> oops

L957[15:59:30] <ghz|afk> right

L958[15:59:30] <ghz|afk> XD

L959[15:59:32] <asdfowkw2> but gradle is there

L960[15:59:36] <ghz|afk> checked?

L961[15:59:43] <asdfowkw2> yup

L962[15:59:53] <asdfowkw2> maybe something went wrong with my project setup

L963[16:00:04] <asdfowkw2> but i just did setupDecompWorkspace idea

L964[16:00:06] <ghz|afk> hmmm

L965[16:00:08] <ghz|afk> ah

L966[16:00:09] <ghz|afk> yeah

L967[16:00:10] <ghz|afk> don't do that

L968[16:00:15] <ghz|afk> import it from intellij's end

L969[16:00:24] <ghz|afk> the idea task is for ancient intellij

L970[16:00:29] <asdfowkw2> ok :p

L971[16:00:32] <ghz|afk> from before it supported gradle correctly

L972[16:00:43] <ghz|afk> just open the build.gradle file from idea

L973[16:00:48] <ghz|afk> and choose the default import settings

L974[16:01:38] <asdfowkw2> ye now i have gradle ^^

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L977[16:02:51] <asdfowkw2> but i think all my imports got fcked up now xD

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L979[16:03:09] <asdfowkw2> my forge library didnt follow :p

L980[16:05:01] <osum4est> is there a quick way to disable day/night cycle and weather while testing?

L981[16:05:27] <PaleoCrafter> There's some sort of Dev mode mod

L982[16:05:28] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: run setupDecompWorkspace, then click the blue refresh icon in the gradle panel ;P

L983[16:05:47] <ghz|afk> osum4est: gamerule doDaylightCycle false

L984[16:05:53] <ghz|afk> gamerule doWeatherCycle false

L985[16:06:00] <PaleoCrafter> That adds a button to create a test world with disabled daylight cycle and weather

L986[16:06:10] <ghz|afk> time set noon

L987[16:06:13] <ghz|afk> weather clear

L988[16:06:42] <osum4est> thanks guys

L989[16:07:14] <PaleoCrafter> https://mods.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/243748-devworld

L990[16:07:35] <PaleoCrafter> Oh... 1.7.10

L991[16:07:46] <osum4est> :(

L992[16:07:46] <asdfowkw2> offtopic

L993[16:07:50] <asdfowkw2> what is the ender-rift :P ?

L994[16:08:02] <ghz|afk> my mod ;P

L995[16:08:14] <ghz|afk> it's a multiblock structure that provides item storage

L996[16:08:22] <asdfowkw2> cool

L997[16:08:24] <ghz|afk> it also has an inventory network system

L998[16:08:30] <asdfowkw2> like ae ish?

L999[16:08:38] <ghz|afk> -ish

L1000[16:08:41] <ghz|afk> much simpler

L1001[16:09:01] <ghz|afk> it can combine multiple inventories in one single GUI

L1002[16:09:02] <ghz|afk> that's all

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L1004[16:09:26] <ghz|afk> no crafting, no priorities, etc

L1005[16:09:50] <ghz|afk> (there is a crafting browser, but it's just an embedded crafting grid -- doesn't take items from the network

L1006[16:09:59] <Shambling> dang I wish there was a way to disable 60fps videos in html5

L1007[16:10:09] <Shambling> guess I gotta just keep using flash until someone makes a plugin to make me not puke

L1008[16:10:28] <PaleoCrafter> U wot

L1009[16:10:31] <killjoy> Shambling, go into your display settings and change the refresh rate

L1010[16:10:50] <Shambling> monitor, video card, or youtube itself?

L1011[16:10:56] <killjoy> either

L1012[16:10:58] <ghz|afk> Shambling: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/23329-disable-youtube-60-fps-force-30-fps

L1013[16:10:59] <Shambling> because youtube and google are awesome at hiding settings

L1014[16:13:17] <h5h77> ghz how lategame is it? I always have huge problems with storage midgame and usually just rush rs/ae2

L1015[16:13:28] <Shambling> could have sworn I used to be able to drop scripts onto tampermonkiey and they would auto install

L1016[16:13:58] <ghz|afk> h5h77: mid-game for crafting

L1017[16:13:59] <Shambling> I do rftools chest thingy for midgame and then use that to make it easy to build refined storage things :D

L1018[16:14:06] <ghz|afk> but heavy usage will require quite a bit of power

L1019[16:14:28] <h5h77> neat, i might give that a look then. i basically just want a big old chest with a search bar and a crafting grid

L1020[16:14:37] <h5h77> don't mind about it using rf

L1021[16:14:51] <ghz|afk> that it does ;P

L1022[16:15:00] <ghz|afk> someone reported that I may have missed a crafting recipe

L1023[16:15:07] <ghz|afk> I haven't had time to fix that yet ;P

L1024[16:15:23] <Shambling> I wouldn't mind google auto disabling flash, but not infinite looper website doesn't work when it tries to do html5, so thanks for the links

L1025[16:15:53] <Shambling> does your mod do crafting too ghz?

L1026[16:15:58] <ghz|afk> no

L1027[16:16:05] <ghz|afk> only groups inventories together

L1028[16:16:07] <Shambling> ah darn, thought maybe you were talking about it

L1029[16:16:13] <Shambling> does your mod work with the rftools inventory scanner?

L1030[16:16:19] <ghz|afk> I mean that a component needed to use the mod

L1031[16:16:22] <ghz|afk> doesn't actually have a recipe

L1032[16:16:23] <ghz|afk> XD

L1033[16:16:48] <ghz|afk> (I just confirmed it)

L1034[16:16:55] <ghz|afk> the Automation driver

L1035[16:17:18] <ghz|afk> the block that takes energy and powers the network (sortof like an energy acceptor in AE2)

L1036[16:17:29] <Shambling> what mod are you talking about?

L1037[16:17:32] <ghz|afk> doesn't actually have a recipe XD

L1038[16:17:37] <ghz|afk> Ender-Rift

L1039[16:18:13] <Shambling> how did that happen? did you just add the energy acceptor to the mod recently, or did you break the recipe?

L1040[16:18:21] <ghz|afk> it's the last thing I added to the mod

L1041[16:18:24] <ghz|afk> a few months ago

L1042[16:18:35] <ghz|afk> it just shows that apparently no one tried the mod until a few days ago

L1043[16:18:41] <Shambling> has e veryone just been cheating one in, or do they just not use issue tracker?

L1044[16:18:43] <ghz|afk> despite having thousands of downloads

L1045[16:18:43] <ghz|afk> XD

L1046[16:18:50] <ghz|afk> my guess is

L1047[16:18:54] <ghz|afk> 99% of the downloads are modpacks

L1048[16:18:59] <Shambling> you need sexier curse page

L1049[16:18:59] <ghz|afk> and they never even noticed my mod

L1050[16:19:04] <ghz|afk> and from the other 1%

L1051[16:19:14] <ghz|afk> 90% don't bother submitting bug reports

L1052[16:19:52] <Shambling> btw, can I make a request on enderthing as an option, could you override the base enderchest breakign into obsidian and make it poop out a regular ender chest when you try to move it?

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L1054[16:20:07] <Shambling> or should I just use packing tape to move it? :P

L1055[16:20:08] <ghz|afk> I could

L1056[16:20:09] <ghz|afk> but

L1057[16:20:16] <ghz|afk> that doesn't seem within the scope of my mod

L1058[16:20:17] <ghz|afk> XD

L1059[16:20:27] <ghz|afk> just make yourself a "Sturdy Ender chests" mod

L1060[16:20:30] <ghz|afk> that does just that one thing ;P

L1061[16:20:38] <Shambling> yeah I suppose I could

L1062[16:20:41] <Shambling> I am THAT lazy

L1063[16:20:48] <ghz|afk> XD

L1064[16:20:52] <ghz|afk> but really

L1065[16:20:56] <ghz|afk> get yourself some damn silk touch!

L1066[16:20:57] <ghz|afk> ;P

L1067[16:21:17] <Shambling> ever since they made enchanting+ require damn memorization of enchants, I haven't used enchants much

L1068[16:21:18] <ghz|afk> hmm

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L1070[16:21:20] <ghz|afk> I just had an idea

L1071[16:21:20] <Shambling> I hate the vanilla enchanting system

L1072[16:21:29] <ghz|afk> a Whip

L1073[16:21:34] <Shambling> "oh hey neat, useless enchants... " *tosses into bin*

L1074[16:21:40] <ghz|afk> leftclick attacks

L1075[16:21:46] <ghz|afk> right-click grabs toward you

L1076[16:21:53] <Shambling> lets you swing over chasms

L1077[16:21:56] <ghz|afk> and used on chests and similar

L1078[16:22:01] <ghz|afk> pops them off

L1079[16:22:03] <ghz|afk> with contents ;P

L1080[16:22:31] <Shambling> do the spiderman magical connect to thin air thing and let you swing anywhere with easy flight mdoe, and I'm sold

L1081[16:22:43] <h5h77> i'm working on a mod that lets you enchant your bare hand like a sword

L1082[16:22:48] <h5h77> that would also solve your problem kinda

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L1084[16:22:52] <h5h77> but it's nowhere near done

L1085[16:23:43] <asdfowkw2> hm i shouldve never updated those mappings xD

L1086[16:23:52] <asdfowkw2> now i get Can't find head class gradlestart when trying to run

L1087[16:24:43] <Shambling> ooo silk touch punch

L1088[16:24:47] <Shambling> silk touch all the grass

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L1090[16:25:03] <ghz|afk> silktouch-punch mobs = 100% chance of dropping skulls?

L1091[16:25:17] <Shambling> did you run genIntellijRuns yet?

L1092[16:25:28] <Shambling> and change the edit fro mclient and server to mod-main?

L1093[16:25:31] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: ah

L1094[16:25:34] <ghz|afk> go to the run configs menu

L1095[16:25:40] <ghz|afk> edit configurations

L1096[16:25:41] <Shambling> yeah what gigaherz is saying

L1097[16:25:46] <ghz|afk> and in application / minecraft client

L1098[16:25:48] <ghz|afk> and minecraft server

L1099[16:25:53] <ghz|afk> change the "Use classpath of module"

L1100[16:25:57] <ghz|afk> to the one ending in _main

L1101[16:26:49] <asdfowkw2> thanks

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L1103[16:28:09] <Shambling> I wonder if there is a 16x resource pack for mystical agriculture

L1104[16:28:17] <Shambling> I love the mod, but my god are the 32x textures jarring

L1105[16:28:19] <asdfowkw2> player.addChatMessage is gone with the new mappings?

L1106[16:28:32] <Shambling> I suppose I could make my own using another mod, since its just for me

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L1109[16:29:31] <ghz|afk> asdfowkw2: sendMessage now

L1110[16:29:48] <asdfowkw2> Where can i find an online doc of this, if there is any :P

L1111[16:29:53] <ghz|afk> use the bot

L1112[16:30:00] <ghz|afk> !mh addChatMessage

L1113[16:30:01] <asdfowkw2> so i dont have to ask all these "noob" questions

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L1115[16:30:07] <asdfowkw2> !mh addChatMessage

L1116[16:30:10] <ghz|afk> you can do these commands in a pm to MCPBot_Reborn

L1117[16:30:14] <ghz|afk> or in #mcpbot

L1118[16:31:26] <asdfowkw2> sweet =)

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L1121[16:34:37] <asdfowkw2> why on earth would i crash with java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: cofh.api.energy.EnergyStorage when im not even using that

L1122[16:34:54] <ghz|afk> uhm

L1123[16:34:55] <h5h77> are you importing it?

L1124[16:34:58] <ghz|afk> did you import the wrong one?

L1125[16:35:17] <asdfowkw2> nope only forge stuff

L1126[16:35:22] <asdfowkw2> dont even have cofh api installed

L1127[16:35:29] <ghz|afk> dependencies

L1128[16:35:45] <asdfowkw2> i think its enderio thats lookin for it

L1129[16:35:47] <asdfowkw2> for some reason

L1130[16:36:22] <asdfowkw2> i guess im gonna get some sleep and google how to read crashlogs tomorrow :p

L1131[16:37:21] <Shambling> well enderio does have cofh subfolder in its github

L1132[16:37:51] <h5h77> it afaik only enables the rf api if another mod is using it or something along those lines

L1133[16:38:11] <asdfowkw2> well its probably just me missreading

L1134[16:38:18] <asdfowkw2> i crash when i try to place a conduit next to my TE

L1135[16:38:35] <ghz|afk> when looking at an exception

L1136[16:38:40] <ghz|afk> always look at the last Caused by line

L1137[16:38:46] <ghz|afk> that's usually the true culprit

L1138[16:39:05] <ghz|afk> (or at least the original symptom)

L1139[16:40:22] <asdfowkw2> its pretty much only io.netty stuff

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L1142[16:57:27] <Shambling> I just sheared a chicken to death

L1143[16:57:33] <Shambling> I'm not sure if that is intended behavior

L1144[16:58:59] <h5h77> it makes sense if you think about it

L1145[17:00:10] <ghz|afk> there

L1146[17:00:10] <ghz|afk> https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/ender-rift/files

L1147[17:00:14] <ghz|afk> recipe no longer missing

L1148[17:00:18] <ghz|afk> I didn't really test it outside dev

L1149[17:00:21] <ghz|afk> so I hope it works ;P

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L1153[17:07:32] <ScottehBoeh> Did something cool :D

L1154[17:07:34] <ScottehBoeh> Uploading a video of it now

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L1156[17:08:03] <ScottehBoeh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBew9M5iLnk

L1157[17:08:10] <ScottehBoeh> Sounds and transitions for Leveling Menu :D

L1158[17:08:45] <ghz|afk> nice ;p

L1159[17:08:52] <ScottehBoeh> Thanks man :D

L1160[17:09:12] <ghz|afk> I always neglect sound, in my mods

L1161[17:09:20] <ghz|afk> i'm not a sound person

L1162[17:09:24] <ghz|afk> as in, I suck at creating sounds

L1163[17:09:24] <ghz|afk> ;P

L1164[17:09:43] <ScottehBoeh> oh xD Well if you ever need sounds I can help :) I'm pretty much a sound worm

L1165[17:10:48] <ghz|afk> well all my mods could do with sounds ;P

L1166[17:10:51] <Shambling> crashes with java log of :Stop, hammer time

L1167[17:10:53] <Shambling> what have you done

L1168[17:11:04] <Shambling> lol j/k, updating and I'll let you know how it works :)

L1169[17:11:13] <ghz|afk> ScottehBoeh: https://minecraft.curseforge.com/members/gigaherz/projects

L1170[17:11:25] <ghz|afk> if you ever feel like you know the perfect sound for any of the things in my mods ;P

L1171[17:11:37] <ghz|afk> the biggest thing I can think of right now

L1172[17:11:44] <ghz|afk> that would be cooler with sounds

L1173[17:11:51] <ghz|afk> is the Ender-Rift itself

L1174[17:11:56] <ghz|afk> which has a "powerup" animation

L1175[17:11:56] <Randysdoom> I am not sure if this is the place to post it or not, but I am trying to create a blockstate, and I was wondering if what I am trying to accomplish is possible. https://gist.github.com/randysdoom/d872aed8042ab92199c3d69fc59bff1e

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L1177[17:11:59] <ghz|afk> and a power-down animation

L1178[17:12:20] <ghz|afk> (and I wouldn't mind a broken-while-on effect)

L1179[17:12:50] <ghz|afk> Randysdoom: not the way you are doing it, no

L1180[17:13:02] <Randysdoom> How would I go about accomplishing it then?

L1181[17:13:02] <ScottehBoeh> tbh my fade effect is very hacky

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L1183[17:13:52] <ghz|afk> Randysdoom: I think you have few enough combinations, that it will be less annoying to just enumerate them all explicitly

L1184[17:14:25] <ghz|afk> just have a series of, "snowy=false,variant=dirt": [{ "model": "dirt" }]

L1185[17:14:32] <ghz|afk> (note the [{ }]

L1186[17:14:40] <Randysdoom> Like "variant = podzol, snowy = false"?

L1187[17:14:43] <ghz|afk> no

L1188[17:14:46] <ghz|afk> it has to be alphabetical

L1189[17:14:49] <ghz|afk> so snowy first

L1190[17:14:52] <Randysdoom> Alright

L1191[17:14:52] <ghz|afk> and no spaces

L1192[17:14:58] <Randysdoom> I will try that.

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L1195[17:18:27] <williewillus> hmm

L1196[17:18:51] <williewillus> no mods really make use of vanilla's team feature

L1197[17:19:25] <ghz|afk> doesn't it sortof suck?

L1198[17:19:35] <williewillus> in what way? :P

L1199[17:19:43] <ghz|afk> whea does it do?

L1200[17:19:47] <ghz|afk> what*

L1201[17:20:01] <ghz|afk> iirc it just disables PvP between people of the same team?

L1202[17:20:44] <williewillus> groups entities into teams. can see invisible teammates, glow potion effect is colored based on team, options to change collision with teammates. mobs on your team don't attack you

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L1205[17:26:48] <Randysdoom> ghz|afk, Alright, It is working. Thanks!

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L1207[17:42:54] <ScottehBoeh> Anyone got a post that shows me how to cast a fireball from the player?

L1208[17:43:05] <williewillus> you mean like set the aim properly?

L1209[17:43:08] <ScottehBoeh> I tried looking into the Ghast, I found where its done etc, but I'm wondering if there's an example out there

L1210[17:43:10] <ScottehBoeh> Yeah, aiming properly

L1211[17:43:37] <williewillus> there's a setAim method on EntityThrowable

L1212[17:44:19] <ghz|afk> rather than the ghast

L1213[17:44:27] <ghz|afk> look at the fire charge

L1214[17:44:43] <ghz|afk> (ItemFireball)

L1215[17:44:52] <williewillus> ?

L1216[17:44:57] <williewillus> fire charges aren't projectiles

L1217[17:45:01] <williewillus> unless a dispenser fires them

L1218[17:45:05] <ghz|afk> hm?

L1219[17:45:06] <williewillus> in which they just go straight

L1220[17:45:12] <williewillus> they're used like flint and steel

L1221[17:45:18] <ghz|afk> hmmm

L1222[17:45:25] <ghz|afk> that's stupid XD

L1223[17:45:26] <williewillus> lol

L1224[17:46:35] <ghz|afk> anyhow, entityghast, entityblaze, and snowball item

L1225[17:46:47] <ghz|afk> those 3 should give enough info overall

L1226[17:46:48] <ghz|afk> ;P

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L1230[17:56:49] <ScottehBoeh> uugh its a pain

L1231[17:56:54] <ScottehBoeh> everything works, it spawns in etc

L1232[17:57:02] <ScottehBoeh> but the actual entity requires 3 floats, not sure what those 3 floats are

L1233[18:12:12] <Shambling> best part of beyond coming out, finally looks like someone has put out useable agricraft configs :P

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L1235[18:13:15] <williewillus> ScottehBoeh: which actual entity?

L1236[18:13:24] <williewillus> the params should be named properly

L1237[18:14:32] <ScottehBoeh> Its fine :) I got it to work

L1238[18:14:39] <ScottehBoeh> made a custom fireball etc

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L1245[18:59:14] <ScottehBoeh> Made a fireball spell

L1246[18:59:15] <ScottehBoeh> http://i.imgur.com/o47Hsdd.png

L1247[18:59:24] <ScottehBoeh> (Basically a really fast flamed block xD)

L1248[18:59:29] <ScottehBoeh> spins fast in hand too

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L1250[19:10:11] <Shambling> neat

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L1253[19:19:11] <Shambling> lol dangit end portals are hard to find

L1254[19:19:20] <h5h77> they're a lot further out now

L1255[19:19:24] <Shambling> even with spectator mode on and at a dungeon I can't find the portal

L1256[19:19:44] <h5h77> isn't there a command to find the portal? or does it just find the stronghold?

L1257[19:20:07] <Shambling> just the stronghold

L1258[19:20:21] <Shambling> doesn't even find the center of the stronghold, just the 0,0 where it started generating

L1259[19:20:42] <Shambling> I just want to see if my ore generator works in the end

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L1261[19:20:49] <Shambling> and I can't remember how to make a proper end portal in creative lol

L1262[19:20:57] <Shambling> I know its blocks out from center, but what about the corners

L1263[19:21:45] <Shambling> oh its 6x6

L1264[19:21:57] <Shambling> 5x5?

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L1266[19:31:13] <Shambling> well I have the rftools mod, so maybe the tp command works

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L1270[19:35:06] <Shambling> oh dangit, thats not in this version

L1271[19:35:07] <Shambling> argh

L1272[19:35:15] <Shambling> why is there no default dimension teleport

L1273[19:42:38] <Shambling> lol dangit, well I had dense ore gen working in the nether

L1274[19:42:44] <Shambling> but now it seems it doesn't want to work anymore

L1275[19:44:39] <Shambling> seems like whenever I do something, one thing will work then another random thing breaks

L1276[19:50:48] <Shambling> wonder if its the cofh oregen messing me up

L1277[19:51:24] <Shambling> hrmmm shouldn't, I have that disabled

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L1279[19:57:51] <Shambling> bad thing is, now quartz isn't generating in the nether. Oh well, this mod sometimes is just more work than its worth

L1280[19:57:58] <Shambling> no wonder no one ever uses it in modpacks... too much json :P

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L1282[20:08:27] <h5h77> oh! ftb beyond is out

L1283[20:08:28] <h5h77> awesome

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L1302[22:32:28] <pig> guys quick question, 1.10.2 or 1.11.2?

L1303[22:32:40] <h5h77> playing or writing mods?

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L1305[22:32:54] <Akkarin> Would tend to say 1.10 given the broader support atm

L1306[22:32:56] <pig> where the main userbase is nowadays

L1307[22:33:03] <h5h77> 1.10

L1308[22:33:09] <h5h77> however it's not too hard to support both

L1309[22:33:11] <pig> considering 1.11 is out for a while now and 1.12 isn't gonna be for another year I reckon

L1310[22:33:18] <pig> lots of mapping changes though 1.10 to 1.11

L1311[22:33:48] <h5h77> McJty wrote a library that lets you support both at once

L1312[22:34:15] <pig> I'm sure support for both isn't too hard. I just haven't poked into 1.11 as much yet

L1313[22:34:16] <pig> been busy

L1314[22:34:27] <McJty> The biggest thing is the ItemStack changes

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L1316[22:34:34] <McJty> Other then that it is indeed not very hard

L1317[22:34:39] <h5h77> itemstacks can't be null anymore

L1318[22:35:12] <McJty> If you have a mod that does a lot of item handling then that change can be a real pain

L1319[22:35:23] <pig> heh well every update is a bit of a real pain for me XD

L1320[22:35:28] <pig> I need to find the time for it

L1321[22:35:53] <McJty> From 1.9.4 to 1.10.2 was nearly painless as almost nothing changed. Most mods worked out of the box unchanged

L1322[22:36:19] <h5h77> is 1.12 really not going to be out for another year?

L1323[22:36:24] <h5h77> i thought they were doing faster releases now

L1324[22:36:35] <Akkarin> It's more of a question when Forge is ready ;-)

L1325[22:36:44] <h5h77> good point

L1326[22:36:56] <Akkarin> and mods for that matter

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L1328[22:37:13] <h5h77> are the code changes in the snapshots bad so far? in terms of updating forge

L1329[22:39:49] <pig> from what I understand from the goals of 1.12 is that we probbaly won't see it for another year possibkly

L1330[22:41:19] <h5h77> i guess i should look into it more. I didn't know they had talked about it

L1331[22:42:23] <pig> I don't think it's public knowledge

L1332[22:42:30] <pig> oshi I may have spilled a secret

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L1334[22:42:34] <Akkarin> lol

L1335[22:42:51] <Akkarin> Better double check that NDA ;-)

L1336[22:43:39] <pig> wasn't no NDA

L1337[22:43:58] <Akkarin> They didn't ask you to sign in your own blood? Who have I been making deals with then?!

L1338[22:44:12] <pig> santa

L1339[22:44:18] <Akkarin> oh .... that makes sense

L1340[22:44:26] <h5h77> don't worry

L1341[22:44:26] <h5h77> https://youtu.be/34ag4nkSh7Q?t=26

L1342[22:44:36] <Corosus> ftb just pushed a new modpack for 1.10.2, soooooooo yeah ;D

L1343[22:45:46] <Akkarin> Well TE for 1.10 was pushed a bit ago so 1.10 is finally gaining some speed

L1344[22:46:45] <h5h77> I hope modders don't get too cozy on 1.10 though

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