OCLogs: 2017-03-05.log

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L1[00:00:17] <mezz> yeah

L2[00:00:42] <h5h77> this change even has another benefit

L3[00:00:53] <h5h77> if you want to use Material.WATER but don't want a texture at all

L4[00:01:21] <mezz> yeah

L5[00:02:39] <mezz> you may need to fire a new RenderBlockOverlayEvent from your method, I think the point of the event was for something like goggles that let you see underwater

L6[00:03:05] <h5h77> yeah that's why I originally did not want to mess with it at all

L7[00:04:07] <mezz> just make sure you only fire it when you're going to skip the Material.water section and it'll be fine

L8[00:04:40] <h5h77> so it shouldn't fire on fluids that aren't Material.WATER?

L9[00:04:47] <mezz> maybe add a new RenderBlockOverlayEvent.OverlayType actually?

L10[00:04:56] <mezz> like OverlayType.MOD_FLUID, dunno

L11[00:05:02] <h5h77> hm

L12[00:05:21] <mezz> well it should fire, it just shouldn't ever fire twice with the same arguments

L13[00:05:31] <h5h77> oh it won't, it's an else if block

L14[00:05:34] <mezz> yeah

L15[00:07:24] <h5h77> I actually don't think renderBlockOverlayEvent needs anything new, it has the blockstate

L16[00:07:32] <h5h77> from there it can get the fluid

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L18[00:08:41] <mezz> ok

L19[00:12:41] <h5h77> thanks for your help so far by the way

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L22[00:14:06] <mezz> you're welcome. patching minecraft it's not an easy process so I try to help where I can

L23[00:15:36] <h5h77> it's true, but the forge code is pretty nice. I've only been modding in general for less than a month and here i am submitting PRs

L24[00:15:59] <mezz> cool

L25[00:16:24] <h5h77> usually with large codebases i just get lost and give up

L26[00:16:25] <h5h77> haha

L27[00:17:06] <mezz> well it definitely helps if you have a good understanding of the game first

L28[00:17:16] <h5h77> i guess that's true

L29[00:17:18] <mezz> you're not going in totally blind

L30[00:17:25] <h5h77> yeah i didn't think about that

L31[00:19:36] <h5h77> alright, it works

L32[00:21:13] <mezz> in the name of making this patch smaller, you have to resort to some ugly trickery here

L33[00:21:35] <mezz> instead of if/else, make a function at the end of the file that returns true or false

L34[00:22:17] <mezz> and then you can insert a single line like if(function) on the line before if (this.mc.player.isInsideOfMaterial(Material.WATER))

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L37[00:22:59] <mezz> that way you can skip it by returning false, or go into it by returning true

L38[00:23:17] <h5h77> i can also get the overlay in renderWaterOverlay() using blockstate, but then I'd be getting it twice, that's why I didn't

L39[00:23:34] <h5h77> that might also trim size though if we're moving the check anyway

L40[00:24:08] <h5h77> alternatively the function would be better suited as once that either returns null or the texture

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L42[00:24:46] <mezz> hm

L43[00:27:37] <mezz> how about some size optimization like this https://gist.github.com/mezz/029709c66c193fb18053c220e97c973c

L44[00:29:03] <h5h77> yeah that looks good

L45[00:30:44] <h5h77> just out of curiosity, why is it that line number is being optimized in patches?

L46[00:31:42] <mezz> more important than the line number is avoiding editing existing lines

L47[00:31:50] <mezz> they should be removed or left alone

L48[00:32:38] <h5h77> i see, because of legal reasons, I assume?

L49[00:32:59] <mezz> there is no legal issue, it's so that things are easier to port to new versions of minecraft

L50[00:33:20] <mezz> when mojang changes stuff, it needs to be obvious what the original intent of the patch was and how it relates to existing code

L51[00:33:43] <h5h77> right, but why minimize the new code that is added, if it's all one block?

L52[00:33:53] <mezz> the patch I had in mind was this https://gist.github.com/mezz/029709c66c193fb18053c220e97c973c#file-optimal-patch

L53[00:34:47] <h5h77> oh i misunderstood what you meant completely

L54[00:35:12] <mezz> hard to convey code ideas in text heh

L55[00:50:51] <mezz> you still here? I got distracted

L56[00:51:48] <h5h77> sorry yeah

L57[00:52:02] <h5h77> it takes a bit of time for me to get it to a running client each time i recompile

L58[00:52:14] <mezz> ok

L59[00:52:25] <h5h77> i pushed the changes now

L60[00:55:15] <mezz> my other question, can you define renderWaterOverlayTexture this way? https://gist.github.com/mezz/392eb615acca129d2dff59ce3a66953f

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L62[00:56:03] <h5h77> uhhh what are those functions?

L63[00:57:48] <mezz> nevermind I misread the patch

L64[00:58:56] <mezz> looks good

L65[00:58:58] <fry|sleep> there's no need for the setter for the texture

L66[00:59:15] <fry|sleep> the setters for the rest are only there due to backwards compat

L67[01:00:46] <fry|sleep> ah, nevermind, there are no other setters

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L69[01:01:21] <fry|sleep> why is there a setter? :P

L70[01:01:36] <h5h77> i can get rid of it

L71[01:02:05] <fry|sleep> why is there even a texture in the block anyway?

L72[01:02:38] <h5h77> well it's really in Fluid()

L73[01:02:41] <mezz> fry what are you looking at?

L74[01:02:51] <h5h77> IFluidBlock copies it out of fluid

L75[01:02:53] <fry|sleep> IFluidBlock.getOverlayTexture

L76[01:02:55] <h5h77> or rather

L77[01:02:57] <h5h77> FluidBlockBase

L78[01:02:58] <fry|sleep> IFluidBlock.setOverlayTexture

L79[01:03:35] <fry|sleep> getter is redundant, setter is worse :P

L80[01:03:39] <h5h77> yeah i'll get rid of the setter, it doesn't make sense since it just makes it inconsistent to the value stored in the fluid

L81[01:03:50] <h5h77> well the getter I did because of this

L82[01:04:28] <fry|sleep> do .getFluid().getOverlay() instead

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L84[01:04:39] <h5h77> in BlockFluidBase

L85[01:04:44] <h5h77> it says not to expose the Fluid

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L88[01:05:14] <h5h77> it also copies a bunch of other attributes out of the fluid

L89[01:05:23] <DiscworldZA> is there a way to get the items needed for an IRecipe?

L90[01:05:35] <mezz> DiscworldZA, inputs?

L91[01:05:36] <fry> and yet IFluidBlock.getFluid() is a thing

L92[01:05:43] <h5h77> yeah that confused me too

L93[01:06:08] <DiscworldZA> mezz yes the inputs..

L94[01:06:24] <h5h77> I'll change it to use getFluid()

L95[01:06:34] <DiscworldZA> not the format but the quantity of each item needed

L96[01:06:43] <DiscworldZA> also which items

L97[01:06:48] <mezz> DiscworldZA, it's pretty hard and requires mod compatibility. you can use JEI's API to do it though

L98[01:07:05] <mezz> what are you doing exactly?

L99[01:07:07] <fry> I think the javadoc refers to the field

L100[01:07:14] <fry> and not to the method

L101[01:07:51] <DiscworldZA> trying to get the needed items for an item based on its Id/Name

L102[01:08:12] <mezz> for a client-side mod?

L103[01:08:17] <DiscworldZA> server sided

L104[01:08:20] <DiscworldZA> both sided

L105[01:09:00] <DiscworldZA> i need it server side will sync if i actually need to which i doubt

L106[01:09:14] <mezz> there's no good way. every mod adds their own IRecipe and defines them differently. JEI does it with plugins for every mod

L107[01:09:29] <mezz> JEI is client-side only though

L108[01:11:36] <mezz> you can find the inputs to the vanilla IRecipe implementations with reflection

L109[01:14:16] <DiscworldZA> how do crafting tables get their end result?

L110[01:14:39] <DiscworldZA> getCraftingResult right?

L111[01:14:45] <mezz> they start with inputs, and then go over every IRecipe asking "do you match?" and the end result is from the first matching recipe

L112[01:15:09] <DiscworldZA> is there anyway for an Entity to interact with a crafting table?

L113[01:15:28] <mezz> yes

L114[01:18:14] <DiscworldZA> i need to get an instance of the container and then use that

L115[01:18:15] <DiscworldZA> ?

L116[01:20:36] <mezz> you'd probably want to fake the interaction and use the same logic as the crafting table, since it normally expects a player with a client/server relationship to exist, not just a regular entity

L117[01:20:49] <DiscworldZA> yeah i see that XD

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L119[01:21:09] <DiscworldZA> problem is...the ENtity doesnt know the recipe XD

L120[01:21:25] <mezz> what are you trying to do?

L121[01:21:41] <DiscworldZA> trying to have an Entity "craft" an item

L122[01:21:53] <DiscworldZA> EntityLiving*

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L124[01:22:37] <mezz> there's crafting table sheep from Shear Madness, is that similar?

L125[01:23:00] <mezz> how would your EntityLiving get items or know what to craft?

L126[01:23:23] <DiscworldZA> Theres a while requesting system behind that

L127[01:23:26] <DiscworldZA> whole*

L128[01:23:57] <DiscworldZA> no not similar to the crafting sheep..

L129[01:24:24] <mezz> it's hard to help you because I only have small glimpses of what you're doing

L130[01:25:05] <DiscworldZA> understandable...can i dm u?

L131[01:25:11] <mezz> sure

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L146[03:05:25] <h5h77> alright, i got rid of the getter/setter as well now

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L162[04:29:12] <TechnicianLP> does someone know where the code is for rendering the achievment get thingy?

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L165[04:34:52] <Necro> TechnicianLP, in GuiAchivement

L166[04:35:13] <TechnicianLP> thx

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L174[05:05:25] <masa> how do I deal with a mod API that is just the source java files, it just appears as empty packages in eclipse if I ad it as compile files ("path") in the build.gradle

L175[05:05:55] <TechnicianLP> what mod does that?

L176[05:06:01] <masa> is the zip/jar supposed to also contain the compiled classes?

L177[05:06:18] <masa> I'm trying to get the Baubles API to my IDE

L178[05:06:45] <masa> the C&B api jar also has the classes, and it works properly in my IDE

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L183[05:23:17] <AtomicStryker> if you are using gradle, those java files go into src/api instead of src/main

L184[05:23:32] <AtomicStryker> and you add them as "source" not as compile files in eclipse i guess

L185[05:24:07] <AtomicStryker> alternatively, just add a compiled jar with the baubles api as dependency

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L188[05:27:18] <ghz|afk> masa: this is how I use baubles: https://github.com/gigaherz/ToolBelt/blob/master/build.gradle#L82

L189[05:27:27] <ghz|afk> i just put the full baubles jar in the libs folder

L190[05:27:31] <ghz|afk> and deobf it with BON2

L191[05:27:47] <ghz|afk> it does however require this

L192[05:27:48] <ghz|afk> https://github.com/gigaherz/ToolBelt/blob/master/build.gradle#L57

L193[05:27:56] <ghz|afk> if you don't want the whole thing in the shaded jar XD

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L195[05:28:47] <gigaherz> however that has a side-effect, vs including the api in src/api

L196[05:28:54] <gigaherz> if you have the sources embedded like that

L197[05:29:01] <gigaherz> relying on deduplication of packages

L198[05:29:17] <gigaherz> you can reference all the api functions withoutissues

L199[05:29:29] <gigaherz> but if you use an external jar

L200[05:29:40] <gigaherz> and you want to keep it soft-dependency

L201[05:29:46] <gigaherz> then you haveto find some workarounds

L202[05:30:05] <gigaherz> namely, for me:

L203[05:30:06] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ToolBelt/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/toolbelt/BeltFinder.java

L204[05:30:07] <gigaherz> vs

L205[05:30:12] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ToolBelt/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/toolbelt/BeltFinderBaubles.java

L206[05:30:23] <gigaherz> the second class only loads if baubles' capability has been registered

L207[05:31:22] <gigaherz> ...

L208[05:31:33] <gigaherz> anyone here knows if the enderio farming stations can handle sugarcane? ;P

L209[05:31:53] <gigaherz> (I mean, leave the bottom block alone and only mine the higher ones)

L210[05:33:35] <PaleoCrafter> gigaherz, you are aware of deobfCompile? :P

L211[05:33:43] <gigaherz> that does not work for fileTree

L212[05:33:44] <gigaherz> only maven

L213[05:33:49] <PaleoCrafter> really? too bad

L214[05:34:08] <PaleoCrafter> one would assume Baubles was on a Maven, anyways

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L216[05:35:22] <PaleoCrafter> also, looks like I need to PR Forge to fix some inconveniences with Scala (and probably other JVM languages)

L217[05:37:33] <masa> gigaherz: okay, thanks... this is super annoying dealing with dependencies like this

L218[05:37:58] <masa> whereas stuff like JEI and C&B which have proper mavens and annotation based APIs are nice

L219[05:38:19] <gigaherz> yeh

L220[05:38:54] <gigaherz> it's ok once you get it goind, though XD

L221[05:39:05] <gigaherz> going*

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L224[05:43:14] <masa> well I managed to build an API jar of it with the classes included, so now they show up in eclipse

L225[05:43:41] <masa> still not sure what exactly I should be doing when eventually compiling the mod...

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L235[06:35:23] <CsokiCraft> In my IMessageHandler, how do I know which EntityPlayer sent the message?

L236[06:37:21] <diesieben07> MessageContext gives you the NetHandlerPlayServer, which has the EntityPlayerMP

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L238[06:38:07] <CsokiCraft> Thanks!

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L241[06:47:13] <Philderbeast> is there anywhere i can look for clases etc from net.minecraft.*

L242[06:47:43] <diesieben07> if you set up your workspace using setupDecompWorkspace you will have them attached as a library

L243[06:48:42] <Philderbeast> yea im looking for some documentation, I have got it on the sytem, but im not sure where to look for things that have been moved

L244[06:49:30] <diesieben07> there is not much documentation in general, what are you looking for exactly?

L245[06:50:25] <Philderbeast> im updating a mod from 1.7 to 1.10, so im just looking for class names etc so i know what i need to change them to to get it compiling for a start

L246[06:51:25] <diesieben07> first of all, why 1.10? 1.11.2 is the latest version.

L247[06:51:51] <diesieben07> then, 1.7.x to anything after and including 1.8.x is a big update due to all the rendering changes, so a simple class-name replacement won't get you very far.

L248[06:52:19] <Philderbeast> i have been asked to make it 1.10 for somone else or i would be making it .111

L249[06:52:22] <Philderbeast> 1.11*

L250[06:52:42] <Philderbeast> and yes i know its going to be a big job, im just looking to make it compile at this stage so i can start to work on the rest of it

L251[06:53:37] <Philderbeast> just taking it one step at a time

L252[06:53:47] <diesieben07> well, a good strategy is to look at how a class was used in 1.7.x and then look at the same piece of code in 1.10.x to find out how the new way is.

L253[06:54:13] <diesieben07> one big thing is that block coords are now an object (BlockPos) instead of 3 individual ints

L254[06:56:17] <Philderbeast> well is there anything i can look at to help me out?

L255[06:56:31] <diesieben07> nothing i know of, your question is very vague :P

L256[06:56:36] <CsokiCraft> GitHub, for instance

L257[06:56:47] <CsokiCraft> You can find most big mods' code

L258[06:57:29] <CsokiCraft> Some even have the 1.7.10 branches still so you can compare

L259[06:58:04] <Philderbeast> so there is no where that i could look at that would have a class list for 1.10.2?

L260[06:58:15] <diesieben07> your IDE, like I already told you

L261[06:58:28] <Philderbeast> i dont use a full ide

L262[06:58:32] <diesieben07> o.O

L263[06:58:35] <CsokiCraft> You should

L264[06:58:38] <diesieben07> what do you use?

L265[06:58:41] <Philderbeast> vscode

L266[06:58:55] <diesieben07> ok apart from that being a terrible idea for modding... ok

L267[06:59:04] <diesieben07> then open the forge jar manually

L268[06:59:08] <diesieben07> it will still contain all the code.

L269[06:59:15] <diesieben07> it's somewhere in the gradle cache

L270[06:59:40] <diesieben07> but seriously, use IntelliJ and your life will be changed.

L271[06:59:52] <Philderbeast> i cant STAND IntelliJ

L272[06:59:58] <Philderbeast> its a mess to use

L273[07:00:00] <CsokiCraft> Then use Eclipse

L274[07:00:01] <fry> sit down then :P

L275[07:00:11] <Philderbeast> and exlipse is worse

L276[07:00:13] <diesieben07> SATAN! ALL HAIL JETBRAINS

L277[07:00:15] <Philderbeast> well played fry

L278[07:00:18] <fry> using java without an ide is like using C without a compiler, and compiling manually :P

L279[07:00:54] <Philderbeast> i can do more faster with VS code, in less time then it take to load intellij or eclipse....

L280[07:01:03] <diesieben07> get an ssd? :D

L281[07:01:07] <fry> no you can not :P

L282[07:01:11] <diesieben07> also that ^

L283[07:01:14] <Philderbeast> its not for everyone, but it works for me

L284[07:01:14] <fry> not with java, especially not with mc :P

L285[07:01:33] <diesieben07> like, in the time it takes for us to explain how to get to the MC classes you could have looked at 20 of them in intellij

L286[07:01:38] <Philderbeast> my code output begs to differ... but hey

L287[07:01:40] <CsokiCraft> Also you can load Notepad faster than any IDE

L288[07:01:41] <diesieben07> Ctrl-N "BlockCrops" - done

L289[07:01:42] <fry> it's sad that that's the way it is, but it's true :P

L290[07:01:49] <CsokiCraft> But that doesn't make it suitable

L291[07:02:04] <diesieben07> (or any other ide)

L292[07:06:08] <Philderbeast> or you know i could spend hours fighting an ide to make it work rather then using what just works

L293[07:06:23] <Philderbeast> like i said its not for everyone, but that dosent make it bad

L294[07:06:45] <diesieben07> well, intellij does "just work", but ok, if you like pain, go ahead.

L295[07:06:54] <diesieben07> like i said, you can find the forge jar in the gradle cache

L296[07:07:28] <Philderbeast> it dosent just work for me.... thats why i gave up on it

L297[07:07:55] <fry> nothing "just works", you apply effort to learn :P

L298[07:08:18] <Philderbeast> or i could use something that does work for me

L299[07:08:20] <Philderbeast> like i do

L300[07:08:32] <fry> and applying effort to learn new tools is a big part of today's software development :P

L301[07:08:51] <diesieben07> well, like you are discovering right now it does not just work :P

L302[07:09:09] <Philderbeast> it works, the lack of simple documentation dosent

L303[07:09:18] <fry> google? :P

L304[07:09:31] <fry> define "simple documentation"

L305[07:09:36] <fry> yes, it doesn't have a man page

L306[07:09:56] <diesieben07> gradle has a lot of documentation :D

L307[07:10:35] <fry> for example: https://www.google.ru/search?q=idea+how+to+look+up+class+definition

L308[07:10:50] <fry> first link: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/2016.3/navigating-to-class-file-or-symbol-by-name.html

L309[07:10:59] <fry> with a fairly decent doc page

L310[07:11:14] <fry> hotkeys, screenshots and everything

L311[07:11:42] <fry> looks about as good as expected for contemporary tools

L312[07:12:43] <Philderbeast> and none of that solve the lack of documenation for the changes to update a mod

L313[07:13:19] <fry> of course there wouldn't be a minecraft-specific docs from the developers of the ide :P

L314[07:13:49] <Philderbeast> and thats the docs i was asking for.....

L315[07:13:57] <Philderbeast> thats causing the issue in the first place

L316[07:14:41] <fry> you load up old version, and new version, and look for the differences

L317[07:14:54] <fry> or try to compile your mod in the new version and look at the compile errors

L318[07:15:10] <diesieben07> i already told you how to find out about the changes. yes there isn't a ton of documentation. btu that's how it is when modding a game...

L319[07:16:28] <Philderbeast> and the latter is what im doing.... its the lack of documenation that sucks... makes it hard to even know where to look even if i wasent working with out dated code to start with

L320[07:16:29] <TechnicianLP> theres a relativly good change documentation here: https://github.com/kashike/migration/wiki

L321[07:17:04] <Philderbeast> ok thats awsome TechnicianLP thanks

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L323[07:17:56] <kashike> wheeeeee http://i.imgur.com/xPZjCah.png

L324[07:17:58] <kashike> heh

L325[07:18:29] <TechnicianLP> nicelooking game

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L341[08:16:50] <CsokiCraft> How do I get the block metadata from a World and BlockPos?

L342[08:18:50] <TechnicianLP> why would you need metadata?

L343[08:19:05] <TechnicianLP> use the blockstate to do stuff

L344[08:19:33] <CsokiCraft> Uhh, fine

L345[08:32:44] <Shambling> !gm func_186025_d

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L348[08:33:41] <Shambling> !func func_72963_a

L349[08:33:43] <Shambling> errr

L350[08:33:51] <Shambling> !gm func_72963_a

L351[08:33:55] <Shambling> too early in the morning

L352[08:34:11] <Shambling> well apparently skylands generation style doesn't like cooperating with BoP and biometweaker

L353[08:34:12] <Shambling> oh well :P

L354[08:34:46] <Shambling> has anyone really done a skyland style world generator for 1.10.2+?

L355[08:35:07] <Shambling> other than the one that doesn't seem to work that is, lol :P

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L357[08:38:41] <TechnicianLP> skyland?

L358[08:39:14] <TechnicianLP> if you want a void world do a superflat with one layer of sand

L359[08:40:29] <CsokiCraft> Or better, one layer of air

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L361[08:50:31] <Shambling> no not a void world, those are a dime a dozen

L362[08:50:39] <Shambling> I want large landmasses... in the sky

L363[08:51:19] <Shambling> which, there is one mod for 1.10.2 that does that, but it seems to crash with BoP

L364[08:51:32] <Shambling> I'm going to go read the configs and see if I can fix its orneryness

L365[08:52:31] <Shambling> ffs, it crashes before it spits out the configs

L366[08:54:31] <Shambling> lol dangit, and the few opensource ones I've seen for 1.7.10 use scala

L367[08:54:38] <Shambling> ok well time to go get some coffee, peace

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L373[09:16:18] <TechnicianLP> is there a counter of world ticks somewhere? (world.getTime() is frozen if daylightcycle is turned off)

L374[09:17:11] <Ordinastie> getTotalTime

L375[09:18:04] <TechnicianLP> didnt see that one .. thx

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L391[10:30:03] <Shambling> well that was weird

L392[10:30:09] <Shambling> apparently that nick was banned?

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L394[10:30:33] <TechnicianLP> which one?

L395[10:30:37] <Shambling> or maybe it was that whole stupid "hey idiot register your nick" thing

L396[10:30:45] <Mimiru> nicks longer than... 16? chars are quieted

L397[10:30:54] <Mimiru> also that :P

L398[10:31:01] <Shambling> ok yeah that was more than 16 characters

L399[10:31:11] <Mimiru> it's 16 or 18..

L400[10:31:21] <Mimiru> ...............*!*@* and ???????????????*!*@*

L401[10:31:24] <Shambling> next time I'll just /nick shamCoffee

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L404[10:32:38] <Shambling> annoying thing is, I had to quit and rejoin to change my nick lol

L405[10:32:46] <Mimiru> well /part would work too

L406[10:32:58] <Shambling> whats /part? *googles*

L407[10:33:03] <Mimiru> but yeah, if you're quieted you can't do anything

L408[10:33:17] <Mimiru> /part leaves the channel /quit leaves the network

L409[10:33:29] <Shambling> I just right clicked adn closed the channel

L410[10:33:30] <Shambling> lol

L411[10:33:40] <Shambling> I'm like a keyboard turner in world of warcraft :P

L412[10:33:48] <Mimiru> That's the same as /part :P

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L414[10:36:03] <Shambling> that is what I meant by keyboard turner

L415[10:36:15] <Shambling> doing something a super inefficient and ignorant way

L416[10:36:30] <Shambling> i.e. clicking 30 buttons instead of typing 4 letters :D

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L423[11:03:21] <Shambling> ok so, cofh mods like thermal foundation... where can I disable ore gen?

L424[11:03:27] <Shambling> I've already got plenty of copper and tin thank you

L425[11:04:14] <PaleoCrafter> the config, I'd wager? :P

L426[11:04:42] <Shambling> perhaps in the world json

L427[11:05:16] <Shambling> I'll just blacklist dimension 0 in the blacklist area

L428[11:05:17] <Shambling> :P

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L430[11:12:06] <h5h77> i do miss that vibrant TE copper texture

L431[11:13:55] <Shambling> the 1.7.10 one?

L432[11:14:04] <Shambling> vibrant copper? hmmm

L433[11:14:32] <Shambling> it looks like the one in 1.10.2 glows in the dark as well

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L441[11:26:56] <Shambling> weird, crafttweaker log isn't working for names right now

L442[11:27:06] <Shambling> wonder if it broke in an update, or an incompat with some mod

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L445[11:43:42] <gigaherz> hmf

L446[11:43:57] <gigaherz> I need something to "fix" a man-made lake

L447[11:43:59] <gigaherz> XD

L448[11:44:08] <williewillus> ? like fill it in?

L449[11:44:11] <gigaherz> (it only has the top layer of source water)

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L451[11:44:46] <gigaherz> i'm thinking of grabbing a whole lot of ice

L452[11:44:55] <gigaherz> and then slowly breaking it layer by layer

L453[11:47:08] <gigaherz> hmpf

L454[11:47:24] <gigaherz> yeah I'll have to do that

L455[11:47:39] <heldplayer> Fill in corners with buckets, water physics will fill in source blocks

L456[11:47:59] <gigaherz> heldplayer: that only works if there's a solid block (or source water) below it

L457[11:48:08] <heldplayer> Start at the bottom :)

L458[11:48:13] <gigaherz> too late ;P

L459[11:48:19] <gigaherz> problem is

L460[11:48:23] <gigaherz> I can't tell where it's missing

L461[11:48:30] <gigaherz> so I'll just make a bunch of stacks of ice

L462[11:48:33] <heldplayer> Whoever made the lake should feel bad

L463[11:48:37] <gigaherz> I did

L464[11:48:41] <LatvianModder> started from the bottom now we here

L465[11:48:43] <gigaherz> I basically dug down

L466[11:48:44] <heldplayer> You should feel bad

L467[11:48:45] <TechnicianLP> get some frostwalker boots

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L469[11:49:08] <gigaherz> oooh I forgot about frost walker

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L471[11:49:10] <heldplayer> Normal people don't let their life get to the point where they make bad lakes

L472[11:49:17] <heldplayer> :P

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L475[11:51:07] <heldplayer> Have you filed a bug report?

L476[11:51:14] <gr8pefish> Hi all. Anyone know if it's possible to get the GuiTextField of a GuiChat? I just want to get the text a player is typing. The `inputField` field is protected without an apparent getter.

L477[11:51:17] <TechnicianLP> there already is one

L478[11:51:22] <heldplayer> Cool

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L480[11:52:05] <killjoy> gr8pefish, tabbychat adds one

L481[11:52:15] <killjoy> but it's not for the vanilla textfield

L482[11:52:33] * gr8pefish googles tabbychat

L483[11:53:25] <gr8pefish> Hmm okay, well is it possible to get the vanilla one? I mean I guess I could just use reflection, but I'd rather not have to.

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L486[11:55:42] <gigaherz> gr8pefish: did you look for usages?

L487[11:55:48] <gigaherz> if you see methods that return that field

L488[11:55:52] <gigaherz> then you can continue looking from there

L489[11:55:55] <gigaherz> your IDE is your friend

L490[11:57:36] <killjoy> gr8pefish, that field is protected

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L492[11:57:59] <gr8pefish> Yeah, I know it's protected, that's the issue :P

L493[11:58:59] <gr8pefish> That was the first thing I looked for giga, to no avail.

L494[12:00:07] <killjoy> would be easier if it was static

L495[12:01:01] <gr8pefish> I just thought it wouldn't be too hard to get the message before it is sent, but apparently that's the case. Once it is sent it is easy to retrieve, but that's not what I'm looking for. Oh well, I can just get the protected field via reflection.

L496[12:01:23] <killjoy> so what are you trying to do?

L497[12:03:09] <gr8pefish> Get the text as they are typing it. So in a GuiChatScreen they say "Hey how's it goi" and I need to get that text before it is sent.

L498[12:03:21] <gr8pefish> i.e. before 'enter' is pressed

L499[12:03:30] <killjoy> hm..

L500[12:04:17] <killjoy> Isn't there an event for that?

L501[12:04:45] <tterrag> my question is why you need it before it's sent

L502[12:05:02] <tterrag> you could intercept it serverside, right?

L503[12:05:07] <killjoy> what are you doing to the text?

L504[12:05:07] <tterrag> there *is* an event for that

L505[12:05:17] <killjoy> changing it?

L506[12:06:02] <gr8pefish> I'm just trying to do a tweak of vanilla behaviour. When you sleep in a bed and have a message half sent it closes the gui and you lose your progress. I'd like to change that so if you have something typed it will "persist" through waking up.

L507[12:06:16] <gr8pefish> Ah, there is an event? I'll look for that then.

L508[12:06:16] <killjoy> tabbychat does that

L509[12:06:27] <killjoy> I think

L510[12:06:33] <tterrag> ok but that has nothing to do with sending the chat message

L511[12:07:46] <gr8pefish> Well to rewrite the message I'd have to know what is typed, right?

L512[12:08:06] <gr8pefish> TabbyChat is open source; I'll poke around there, thanks.

L513[12:08:07] <killjoy> I would just use reflection

L514[12:08:20] <killjoy> I was wrong. I think it used to do that, but it's not implemented anymore

L515[12:08:27] <gr8pefish> Okay

L516[12:09:17] <killjoy> What's the packet which sends the wake up message?

L517[12:10:27] <gr8pefish> let em find it, one sec

L518[12:10:29] <gr8pefish> *me

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L522[12:14:18] <LexManos> PaleoCrafter, you tehre?

L523[12:14:24] <PaleoCrafter> sure

L524[12:14:32] <PaleoCrafter> kinda struggling with a Scala macro right now, but I'm here :P

L525[12:14:50] <LexManos> So, Flame says you have access to the dev forum to deal with the theam issues that are arising on the forums?

L526[12:14:52] <LexManos> Hows that coming?

L527[12:16:08] <PaleoCrafter> I unfortunately didn't have a lot of time for that lately, I should have addressed the worst ones already though

L528[12:16:44] <PaleoCrafter> I considered creating a pure issue-tracking repo, because finding all the issues myself is really tedious

L529[12:17:40] <LexManos> feel free to set it up, and if you/flame can writeup a nice way of testing things and getting them deployed im more then willing to help.

L530[12:17:53] <LexManos> as it sits i dont know jack about how to get any of it done or tested.

L531[12:18:22] <LexManos> Im also trying to bring on another guy to help Flame out, but its going slow as Flame doesn't have time to really do anything let alone bring him up to speed.

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L535[12:20:41] <PaleoCrafter> testing-wise, I fiddle with the styles in the element inspector until it fits and then as for deploying, I have to manually go into the admin area and edit the files there, since we don't have any other place to put the stylesheets

L536[12:21:32] <PaleoCrafter> Flame said that he will eventually get some sort of CDN, then I can directly and properly deploy my styles rather than having to go through the stupid webinterface

L537[12:21:55] <LexManos> we have a host we can toss them on

L538[12:22:04] <LexManos> wither the forum server, or files would work

L539[12:22:32] <LexManos> i'd LIKE to get this all wrapped up in our jenkins/git and pushed out that way.

L540[12:22:50] <LexManos> Bonus being if its in git we can have an issue tracker and stuff.

L541[12:23:12] <LexManos> {And history}

L542[12:24:49] <PaleoCrafter> as I'm using a CSS preprocessor locally anyway, I can go through the styles and separate them out into nice and tidy modules and then I can set up a repo if you want

L543[12:25:10] <PaleoCrafter> or you set it up in the Forge organisation and make me a contributor for that repo, would probably be easier

L544[12:25:21] <LexManos> Do that if you can, and i'll bug Flamegoat to get things setup.

L545[12:25:35] <LexManos> Thats what im thinking once we figure out how to deploy it

L546[12:26:16] <PaleoCrafter> I've talked to him about hosting it centrally on one of the Forge servers for now, but he said it's better to have a copy on each server separately

L547[12:26:28] <PaleoCrafter> I guess we can do that anyways if we go for proper deployment

L548[12:26:39] <LexManos> one server, or 10,000 its all the same

L549[12:26:45] <LexManos> just a list to deploy to automated

L550[12:27:11] <killjoy> gr8pefish, found it

L551[12:27:28] <gr8pefish> What is it?

L552[12:28:23] <killjoy> http://imgur.com/a/voqEZ

L553[12:28:45] <killjoy> last thing is !isPlayerSleeping()

L554[12:29:09] <LexManos> do you seriously have != displayed like that?

L555[12:29:21] <killjoy> so?

L556[12:29:25] <LexManos> just funny, meh

L557[12:29:45] <killjoy> same for <=

L558[12:29:58] <killjoy> renders <> as a diamond

L559[12:30:15] <williewillus> those ampersands ..

L560[12:30:37] <killjoy> I kind of wish it didn't do it for strings

L561[12:30:59] <killjoy> It's unnerving when it turns "........." into "... ... ..."

L562[12:31:26] <LexManos> 0.o

L563[12:31:56] <LexManos> i can understand comparitors, because thats what they really are we just dont allow those special characters in code.. but strings?

L564[12:32:27] <killjoy> They're only displayed as such

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L568[12:36:11] <killjoy> gr8pefish, what I'm thinking is listen to a pre-tick event and do that check before mc can

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L570[12:38:53] <PaleoCrafter> gotta love dem ligatures

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L572[12:39:18] <PaleoCrafter> also, williewillus, what's wrong about those ampersands? :P

L573[12:39:26] <killjoy> they're super close

L574[12:39:48] <gr8pefish> killjoy, good call; here's my plan: I'd do my own check, and if it passes then get the current text typed (via reflection), and if there is some text, override the behaviour by making a new GuiChatScreen with that text in the new textbox. If the player hadn't typed anything then I don't care, and can let vanilla take over.

L575[12:39:54] <williewillus> looks way too cursive-y for my taste ;p

L576[12:40:00] <williewillus> and yeah they're too close

L577[12:40:07] <PaleoCrafter> eh, no :P

L578[12:40:23] <PaleoCrafter> embrace those ligatures

L579[12:40:26] <killjoy> I think the font is FiraCode

L580[12:42:45] <PaleoCrafter> https://github.com/i-tu/Hasklig I use this one

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L585[12:48:50] <TechnicianLP> if i have something like a custom chest - do i have to sync the inventory contents to other (viewing) players manually? probably not?

L586[12:50:25] <LatvianModder> the container syncs stuff, if items are in Slots

L587[12:52:15] <TechnicianLP> nice

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L591[13:04:13] <Shambling> off topic, but do you guys have any favorite high strengh access points

L592[13:05:00] <TechnicianLP> what type of ap?

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L596[13:07:36] <Shambling> preferably business grade that isn't pricey because of 'features'. I was looking at the ubiquity AC 1750 ones

L597[13:07:57] <TechnicianLP> internet ap?

L598[13:08:10] <Shambling> to push internet from one building to another, so yet?

L599[13:08:18] <Shambling> yes

L600[13:08:37] <Shambling> I wasn't aware that they had access points for other things that mattered :P

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L602[13:11:11] <Shambling> I mean I know that you can just have wifi network access for file sharing,etc, but that is going to be pushed over the same network as my internet anyway

L603[13:14:46] <Shambling> right now I'm pushing wifi from the house out my window from a generic network to a repeater, which then gets picked up by another repeater. Mostly because for some reason the wifi strength for the last 50 feet in the second building is horrible

L604[13:15:15] <Shambling> I'm kind of tempted to get a bridge between the two and run some ethernet, but we have pine board walls and running wire would be a pita

L605[13:16:42] <gr8pefish> Isn't there a command to get the obfuscated name of a field easily in IRC somehow?

L606[13:17:00] <osum4est> #mcpbot, then !help

L607[13:17:21] <gr8pefish> thanks

L608[13:17:37] <osum4est> iirc you can use them in this channel as well, if you dont need to do too many

L609[13:17:55] <gr8pefish> I just need 1; what's the syntax?

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L611[13:18:12] <osum4est> i think !gf <name>

L612[13:18:18] <williewillus> class.name

L613[13:18:35] <gr8pefish> !gf GuiChat.inputField

L614[13:18:44] <gr8pefish> Perfect, thanks

L615[13:18:52] <osum4est> :D

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L619[13:24:59] <Shambling> well irc didn't like that

L620[13:29:08] <PaleoCrafter> Lex, are you still around?

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L623[13:38:36] <Shambling> can someone explain to me how vsync causes jei to take 15 minutes to load?

L624[13:38:55] <TechnicianLP> got crafttweaker in?

L625[13:38:58] <Shambling> *caveat, only with optifine installed, but optifine changes when it loads vsync

L626[13:39:08] <Shambling> yes

L627[13:39:24] <Shambling> with vsync off and no optifine it loads normal. with vsync off, it loads fine

L628[13:39:26] <williewillus> see the ticket on forge/jei's trackers P

L629[13:39:59] <TehNut> It's explained pretty well in https://github.com/mezz/JustEnoughItems/issues/746

L630[13:40:31] <Shambling> thanks I couldn't find it and just wanted to see if there was a better fix, as options.txt never generates if you have that combo installed

L631[13:41:23] <TechnicianLP> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/3725

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L633[13:42:42] <Shambling> so its going to be in a new push on 1.11.2 or is it getting pushed to 1.10.2 as well?

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L635[13:42:52] <williewillus> the pr is to 1.10

L636[13:43:00] <williewillus> I'm assuming another for 1.11 will come

L637[13:43:02] <Shambling> I just need to make sure to stop installing optifine, but I was pushing the modpack between computers and forgot

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L639[13:43:16] <Shambling> not to mention its nice getting more than 5 fps on my laptop

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L641[13:44:38] <Shambling> is there something lost between unzipping a file and rezipping using 7zip for resource packs?

L642[13:44:48] <Shambling> it seems every time I rezip something as a resource pack, it becomes unuseable

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L644[13:47:16] <Shambling> oh, its that whole stupid "hey lets throw it in another useless folder" thing that 7zip does

L645[13:47:17] <Shambling> so nm

L646[13:49:09] <Shambling> best functionality ever

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L648[13:49:45] <Shambling> well, it is the best compression utility that I've found that is as fast as it is, so I guess it must just be a design choice

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L653[14:14:08] <TechnicianLP> is there a way to make a Gl-Matrix use a color i specified before pushing - even if inside the matrix there's a call to set the color to (1,1,1,1)?

L654[14:15:20] <gigaherz> that sentence makes no sense ;P

L655[14:15:29] <gigaherz> matrices have no colors XD

L656[14:15:40] <gigaherz> the matrix stack and the attribute stack are completely separate

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L658[14:15:55] <gr8pefish> killjoy, got it to work, thanks for the help: https://streamable.com/w8yzk

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L660[14:16:13] <PaleoCrafter> what about synaesthetics, gigaherz? :P

L661[14:16:18] <TechnicianLP> basically i want to render items in grayscale and the renderItem has a call to reset the color

L662[14:17:11] <PaleoCrafter> could use a shader :P

L663[14:17:31] * TechnicianLP is a gl-noob and has no clue what a shader is

L664[14:19:17] <williewillus> a shader is probably the easiest way actually to achieve what you want :P

L665[14:20:00] <Shambling> #mcpbot

L666[14:20:19] <Shambling> ok well nm, I just need one func

L667[14:20:28] <Shambling> !gm func_99999_d

L668[14:21:04] <Shambling> it almost looks as if a pig crashed my world

L669[14:21:15] <h5h77> i'm sure the pig didn't mean to

L670[14:21:35] <kashike> it wanted a carrot

L671[14:22:05] <Shambling> maybe is a craft tweaker and IC2 crash, this log is confusing

L672[14:22:13] <TechnicianLP> an how do add a shader? google just gives me some complicated things

L673[14:25:57] <williewillus> https://github.com/Vazkii/Botania/blob/master/src/main/java/vazkii/botania/client/core/helper/ShaderHelper.java

L674[14:25:59] <williewillus> something like that

L675[14:28:44] <TechnicianLP> ill look into it

L676[14:30:20] <williewillus> you want a fragment shader that just averages the rgb and replaces rgb with that average

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L678[14:33:41] <gigaherz> TechnicianLP: you can practice writing shaders, at shadertoy ;P

L679[14:34:17] <gigaherz> https://www.shadertoy.com/view/ltGSWD

L680[14:34:22] <gigaherz> I did this not too long ago

L681[14:34:27] <h5h77> oohhh is that like a fancy webgl thingy?

L682[14:34:39] <gigaherz> https://www.shadertoy.com/view/lsjSWR

L683[14:34:43] <gigaherz> and this a few years ago

L684[14:34:48] <williewillus> it's just shaders :P

L685[14:35:12] <gigaherz> h5h77: nothing fancy

L686[14:35:23] <gigaherz> it just does all the setup for you, so all you have to do is write the shader code

L687[14:35:24] <gigaherz> what's fancy

L688[14:35:25] <Shambling> wtf, all of a sudden my working texture overrides don't work for this mod anymore

L689[14:35:28] <gigaherz> is the crazy stuff people do

L690[14:35:42] <gigaherz> like this

L691[14:35:42] <gigaherz> https://www.shadertoy.com/view/XldSDs

L692[14:35:46] <gigaherz> this is a raytraced object

L693[14:35:47] <Shambling> and th mod hasn't even updated in like... 2 months, so there is no reason for it :\

L694[14:35:53] <gigaherz> there's no geometry there

L695[14:36:01] <gigaherz> it computes the value of each pixel, per pixel

L696[14:36:05] <h5h77> yeah i saw that on the frontpage. crazy.

L697[14:36:19] <PaleoCrafter> https://www.shadertoy.com/view/Ms2SD1 this is the real deal xD

L698[14:36:32] <Shambling> I wonder if its optifine or foamfix

L699[14:36:48] <Shambling> shouldn't b though, all my other resource packs work

L700[14:37:00] <gigaherz> PaleoCrafter: that's "just" some raytraced fourier water

L701[14:37:11] <Shambling> is there a known issue with 32x textures from a mod not being overwritten by 16x with optifine installed?

L702[14:37:15] <PaleoCrafter> still amazing :P

L703[14:37:25] <PaleoCrafter> although that guy has some even more amazing creations, iirc

L704[14:38:01] <PaleoCrafter> actually, no, that was somebody else

L705[14:38:18] <gigaherz> https://www.shadertoy.com/user/Shane

L706[14:38:24] <gigaherz> the dude from the frontpage does have some crazy stuff

L707[14:38:27] <gigaherz> but it's all based on the same thing

L708[14:38:39] <gigaherz> (raytraced procedural geometry)

L709[14:38:45] <gigaherz> this isn't a new thing

L710[14:38:52] <gigaherz> remember that visualizer thing in winamp?

L711[14:39:01] <gigaherz> people did similarly crazy things ther

L712[14:39:07] <gigaherz> and it was quite a lot like programming a shader

L713[14:39:19] <PaleoCrafter> https://www.shadertoy.com/user/iq it was this guy, I think

L714[14:40:50] <h5h77> i really like game boy demos

L715[14:40:53] <h5h77> those are pretty crazy as well

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L717[14:41:40] <gigaherz> :3 pouet.net ;P

L718[14:41:51] <gigaherz> so much awesome stuff there

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L720[14:46:54] <Shambling> ok so ... this laptop is just being a stupid shit

L721[14:47:26] <Shambling> so weird though, I can't stand 32x tool graphics with a 16x base. Blegh

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L723[14:47:55] <Shambling> well as long as it still works in the house, but my god, wtf. How can an override go from working to not working with no changes

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L734[15:11:31] <osum4est> tterrag, when inversing the gui transformation matrix, the rotation and scaling works fine, but is not translated back correctly. the initial item's matrix has no translation, and then for some reason is rendered into the wrong position: http://imgur.com/a/7TF6d

L735[15:11:57] <tterrag> hm. are you sure it's not just that your positioning is wrong?

L736[15:12:13] <tterrag> oh, no, because it only happens for blocks right?

L737[15:12:36] <tterrag> hm not sure. fry care to weigh in?

L738[15:12:41] <osum4est> correct

L739[15:15:34] <osum4est> relavent code: https://hastebin.com/hipejihaje.coffeescript

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L741[15:17:43] <killjoy> Just a reminder to you NSA nuts. They created SHA

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L746[15:22:14] <osum4est> i mean if i had to i could hard code in the translation, but then probably wouldnt work if a mod item uses a different transform than the default block

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L749[15:30:59] <killjoy> fyi http://www.gamestop.com/nes/consoles/nintendo-switch-with-gray-joy-con-console-starter-bundle-two-delivers-by-4-16-17/143265

L750[15:31:04] <killjoy> switch available

L751[15:31:23] <killjoy> that's if you want to spend the money on some games you'll probably never play

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L757[15:38:45] <Nobabs27> is this a good place to ask about mods?

L758[15:40:06] <gigaherz> it's a good place to ask about developing mods

L759[15:40:21] <h5h77> maybe #ftb would be a good place for asking about mods?

L760[15:40:23] <gigaherz> although you can ask

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L762[15:40:30] <gigaherz> and we may answer

L763[15:40:30] <gigaherz> ;P

L764[15:40:38] <Nobabs27> ok ill try #ftb thanks

L765[15:40:43] <Nobabs27> and here I guess xD

L766[15:40:56] <Nobabs27> Anything like TinkerConstruct, but for 1.11.2?

L767[15:42:01] <gigaherz> i'm not aware of anything

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L769[15:42:30] <TechnicianLP> there was a trojan once i think ...

L770[15:44:25] <h5h77> I'm sure they're working on it though, their curse page says they try to always target the latest version

L771[15:44:41] <Nobabs27> its been 22 days since the last commit :\

L772[15:45:00] <Naiten> Hi there. Just a random question, I haven't yet ported my mod on 1.10, should I move to 1.11 as the Forge is already out?

L773[15:45:14] <Nobabs27> my opinion: yes

L774[15:45:15] <williewillus> that's up to you really :P

L775[15:45:19] <Naiten> Like, which version has more mods and is moe popular?

L776[15:45:23] <williewillus> 1.10

L777[15:45:24] <h5h77> 1.10

L778[15:45:40] <williewillus> if the changes don't impact you that much supporting both wouldn't be bad

L779[15:45:45] <Naiten> Welp, thanks

L780[15:46:29] <Naiten> Does 1.11 do something catastrophic like post-1.7 versions compared to 1.7?

L781[15:46:38] <gigaherz> no

L782[15:46:47] <gigaherz> well, there's the ItemStack non-nullability changes

L783[15:46:52] <gigaherz> but I don't think that's catastrophic

L784[15:46:52] <gigaherz> ;P

L785[15:46:57] <h5h77> it's a lot of grunt work, but it's not complicated

L786[15:47:00] <gigaherz> people just grabbed on to 1.10

L787[15:47:06] <gigaherz> and all the modders with slow startup

L788[15:47:08] <williewillus> also the lowercase resource names

L789[15:47:15] <williewillus> which should be a 5 minute regex fest for any mod

L790[15:47:21] <gigaherz> such as devs of huge mods who just got into 1.10 from 1.7.10

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L792[15:48:25] <gigaherz> aren't going to update to 1.11 right away

L793[15:48:26] * TechnicianLP didnt understand shaders and and ended up putting a semitransparent grey box over the items

L794[15:48:27] <gigaherz> ;P

L795[15:51:22] <Naiten> Well, updating my track rendering to post-1.7 was hell, I tried several times and uuuh

L796[15:51:37] <Naiten> just finished it couple of months ago...

L797[15:52:02] <Naiten> I'm afraid of new versions now

L798[15:52:31] <Shambling> I'm afraid of new versions as a aspiring pack developers, but as a practicing newb modder, meh

L799[15:52:55] <Shambling> I see no benefit to 1.11.2, but I also see no negatives to it as a modder. So I try to have a working dev environment for both

L800[15:53:23] <Naiten> You see, 1.8 was released more than 2 years ago already, and i'm updating from 1.7.10 to 1.10 just now

L801[15:53:26] <Naiten> like

L802[15:53:38] <Naiten> new systems are hard

L803[15:53:51] <Shambling> well updating to 1.8 from 1.7.10 was probably about as hard as updating from 1.7.10 to 1.10.2 nowadays

L804[15:54:11] <Shambling> but hey, we've got json graphics now.. yey?

L805[15:54:23] <Naiten> And it bugs me most

L806[15:54:28] <williewillus> calling it "json graphics" is missing the point

L807[15:54:37] <williewillus> almost completely

L808[15:54:42] <Naiten> Why can't i even register a texture via 1 line of code now?

L809[15:54:57] <Shambling> well its nice that you can change a few tweaks to the models and you can see changes almost immediately, but did people really modify their graphics that much after they were done with a model?

L810[15:55:03] <PaleoCrafter> you can with ~4 lines of code :P

L811[15:55:05] <Naiten> Why do I have to waste space and time making all those jsons for each of my items?

L812[15:55:24] <williewillus> Naiten: 3 seconds with a script, resourcepack customizability, performance for static models

L813[15:55:45] <Naiten> which script

L814[15:56:01] <Naiten> like, how do you even script?

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L816[15:56:09] <williewillus> one you write :P or steal from someone

L817[15:56:12] <PaleoCrafter> that's the problem I have with these "the new system is hard" statements. They aren't hard, merely different and at most tedious

L818[15:56:22] <Nobabs27> ok how about Da Vinci's Vessels mod for 1.11.2?

L819[15:56:54] <Shambling> didn't someone have a weirdly named one out there... valkaryn something or other?

L820[15:56:56] <Shambling> let me get the name

L821[15:57:13] <Nobabs27> either that or can I use 1.10 mods on 1.11.2 ?

L822[15:57:20] <Nobabs27> *1.10.2

L823[15:57:25] <williewillus> probably not

L824[15:57:34] <Nobabs27> ._.

L825[15:58:03] <Nobabs27> so that means the only current mod I want as of rn is BiomesOPlenty pretty much

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L828[16:01:30] <Shambling> oh sorry, valkyrian warfare was 1.10.2 only, and its beta

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L830[16:01:46] <Shambling> unless you want llamas, just play a 1.10.2 pack

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L832[16:01:58] <Shambling> and if you want llamas, install that llama mod :P

L833[16:02:13] <Nobabs27> lol

L834[16:02:28] <Nobabs27> time to install forge for the 4th time

L835[16:02:49] <TechnicianLP2> ive seen a compatlayer mod for 1.10/1.11 mods to bridge the changes

L836[16:03:21] <Nobabs27> really?

L837[16:03:29] <h5h77> McJtyLib

L838[16:03:31] <Shambling> compatlayer only bridges the changes between mods programmed for it, and they need to still be compiled for the right version

L839[16:03:33] <Nobabs27> that would be fantastic

L840[16:03:40] <Nobabs27> oh

L841[16:03:41] <h5h77> or one of those by McJty

L842[16:04:05] <Shambling> I was able to take denseores, as an example, and just compile it against 1.10.2 and it worked after changing the mod version request, but there aren't many non mcjty mods yet that use it

L843[16:04:17] <Shambling> if you want to make a good cross compat mod though, good library

L844[16:05:01] <Shambling> if you want a good starting pack to add mods to, grab direwolf20 and then use the curse launcher to find more mods after unlocking it

L845[16:05:47] <Nobabs27> direwolf20...could I slap the Sponge mod in there and get it to run on a bungee?

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L865[17:03:47] <Shambling> hrmmm... well I don't think exu2 will be so easy to fix by fixing the block and item json files... as they don't exist

L866[17:03:58] <Shambling> looks like its all hard coded, :o

L867[17:04:20] <gigaherz> and that's the "fun" of all those people who work around the model system

L868[17:04:35] <gigaherz> it fucks over themed adventure maps / modpacks

L869[17:06:52] <cuddylier> Anyone know how to fix extra utilities 2 for Forge 1.10.2? Startup error: http://pastebin.com/raw/5TmzPtFc

L870[17:07:16] <gigaherz> that's not extra utilities 2 for 1.10.2

L871[17:07:20] <gigaherz> that class is from 1.7.10

L872[17:07:22] <gigaherz> use the right jar

L873[17:07:27] <cuddylier> Interesting

L874[17:07:41] <cuddylier> I'm using extrautils2-1.10.2-1.3.0.jar

L875[17:07:57] <cuddylier> https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/extra-utilities/files/2381549

L876[17:08:16] <gigaherz> hmm

L877[17:08:24] <gigaherz> try using an older one

L878[17:08:43] <gigaherz> it COULD be that the author used some kind of compatibility library

L879[17:08:47] <gigaherz> to make 1.10.2 more like 1.7.10

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L881[17:09:03] <williewillus> (which is an entirely stupid idea)

L882[17:09:04] <gigaherz> and the jar is broken

L883[17:09:21] <williewillus> but i doubt it XU2 was supposed to be a rewrite

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L889[17:20:35] <osum4est> for setting nbt data from a gui, do i have to send a packet to the server and set it from there?

L890[17:23:12] <williewillus> settign what nbt data

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L892[17:23:33] <osum4est> just a boolean on the itemstack youre holding

L893[17:23:56] <williewillus> and the stack has a gui?

L894[17:24:02] <osum4est> yes

L895[17:24:12] <osum4est> its a container

L896[17:25:18] <gigaherz> yes, you'd want to send a packet to the server

L897[17:25:27] <gigaherz> and then make sure that the right stack is still in the right slot

L898[17:25:41] <osum4est> got it, thanks

L899[17:27:53] <Shambling> to be honest, looking at the uncompiled code, I think he's using his own event registration code based on the old stuff

L900[17:28:01] <Shambling> I'm not so sure it wasn't just a straight 1.7.10 port now :o

L901[17:28:49] <Shambling> though I've never seen that crash

L902[17:29:28] <williewillus> bleh

L903[17:29:44] <Shambling> seconded

L904[17:29:45] <williewillus> whenever people try to introduce crap to keep it like the old stuff

L905[17:29:53] <williewillus> you're just making it 3x harder to do the next port

L906[17:30:09] <williewillus> eventually it all comes back and you collapse under the combined weight of all the changes

L907[17:30:26] <williewillus> whenever I port I modernize everything as much as possible - ideally it

L908[17:30:37] <williewillus> 's as if it was written in the target version to begin with

L909[17:32:31] <gigaherz> that's why I only maintain two versions

L910[17:33:00] <gigaherz> so that I can keep both codebases up to date

L911[17:33:09] <gigaherz> and still add fixes and new features

L912[17:33:34] <gigaherz> as soon as 1.12 is out, 1.10.2 will go into "bugfix-only maintenance"

L913[17:33:56] <gigaherz> (where bugfix means crashes, dupes, or data loss)

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L918[17:37:26] <h5h77> I'm really curious to see what the pace of mods and modpacks updating from here on out is

L919[17:37:37] <williewillus> same as it always is

L920[17:37:46] <gigaherz> depends on the developers / authors

L921[17:37:47] <williewillus> depends on the flow of the community and impact of mojang changes

L922[17:37:51] <gigaherz> 1.7.10 is like XP

L923[17:37:55] <gigaherz> it stuck for too long

L924[17:37:55] <williewillus> lol

L925[17:38:02] <gigaherz> and people got too used to it

L926[17:38:08] <williewillus> the state changes in 1.12 may or may not be bad

L927[17:38:12] <williewillus> depending on how they do it

L928[17:38:13] <gigaherz> and their fear of change got the better of them

L929[17:38:21] <gigaherz> so long as mc/forge continues updating reasonably often

L930[17:38:31] <gigaherz> people will temain used to switching versions

L931[17:38:34] <gigaherz> remain*

L932[17:38:44] <h5h77> that'd be nice

L933[17:39:02] <williewillus> well hopefully as more things become data driven we can see some lighter modded worlds move between versions

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L942[18:07:02] <Shambling> wow I think curse might be screwed up

L943[18:07:12] <Shambling> either that, or jared pulled the latest craft tweaker off of curse

L944[18:07:36] <Shambling> super strange, they're just.... gone

L945[18:08:41] <Shambling> and the 1.11.2 version is just completely gone as well

L946[18:10:13] <h5h77> hey mezz, in the current version of ModelFluidDebug, it uses ResourceLocations that don't have a file extension, which like I said does not work with the overlay, should I update them to just have the full path?

L947[18:10:19] <h5h77> public static final Fluid milkFluid = new Fluid("milk", new ResourceLocation(ForgeVersion.MOD_ID, "blocks/milk_still"), new ResourceLocation(ForgeVersion.MOD_ID, "blocks/milk_flow"));

L948[18:10:38] <mezz> whatever works, I don't really know why they are that way

L949[18:10:50] <h5h77> alright, thanks

L950[18:20:23] <h5h77> is it okay for forge test textures to be based on minecraft or should i create them from scratch?

L951[18:21:07] <mezz> Forge has to avoid copying minecraft assets, since it's just a test they don't need to be super amazing though

L952[18:21:21] <h5h77> alright, that's what i thought, thanks

L953[18:21:30] <h5h77> but it never hurts to check if i can be lazy :P

L954[18:21:34] <mezz> heh

L955[18:26:42] <Corosus> words to live by

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L959[18:33:22] <h5h77> how do i build/run the tests?

L960[18:34:12] <mezz> do you have a Forge_test module?

L961[18:34:28] <h5h77> i don't understand that question

L962[18:34:39] <mezz> ok, that's an acceptable answer too lol

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L964[18:35:07] <mezz> this video shows how to set up your project so you can run the Forge tests in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLWQk6ed56Q

L965[18:35:26] <mezz> we're working on making a wiki instead of a video, but for now this will have to do

L966[18:36:12] <h5h77> alright thanks. so far i've just been building forge and then compiling a mod with the generated mdk to test my changes

L967[18:36:40] <mezz> this will be a bit easier once you have it set up. still kinda clunky though

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L970[18:45:55] <Shambling> what is the proper comment style of json files?

L971[18:46:17] <Shambling> I see some people use //, but that seems to not be the case for proper use. then I see a horror show like "__comment": "Comment goes here"

L972[18:49:01] <mezz> // is not proper

L973[18:49:15] <mezz> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/244777/can-comments-be-used-in-json

L974[18:49:58] <Shambling> yeah I saw that, and thus why I references the horror of the syntax of "_comment": "comment goes here..."

L975[18:50:08] <mezz> yep

L976[18:50:11] <Shambling> that is like using a function name as a comment

L977[18:50:33] <mezz> generally the right idea is probably to have a separate document that defines the json format you use

L978[18:50:46] <Shambling> technically possible to have a none functioning method or class or structure and have your documentation in a string... but my god, you should be shot if you do that

L979[18:51:09] <Shambling> so just have a text file with the json... yeah that wouldn't be read by anything

L980[18:51:19] <Shambling> but the whole point of comments is so it flows while you read the code

L981[18:51:29] <mezz> json is data, not code though

L982[18:52:08] <mezz> if you're coding in json take a long hard look at your "should be shot" comment heh

L983[18:52:56] <Shambling> if someone is looking at a json though trying to figure out what it does and why it does it, should they look at the code that refernences the json, or the json itself? it flows easier for me to read a comment that is embedded. But maybe thats just me, and some people like having 2 or 3 windows open

L984[18:53:11] <Shambling> I guess just having a reference to go by is enough

L985[18:53:27] <Corosus> could make a schema http://json-schema.org/latest/json-schema-core.html

L986[18:53:36] <Corosus> a bit on the heavy side of a solution though

L987[18:54:17] <mezz> personally I'm often amazed that json is a "standard". I blame javascript developers

L988[18:54:58] <mezz> it's like they're rediscovering and reinventing computer science decades later >_>

L989[18:55:20] <Shambling> that is my general thought ...

L990[18:55:31] <Shambling> but everyone seems so enthralled by it... who am I to judge

L991[18:55:40] <Shambling> I'm all over here going "its just a text file"

L992[18:55:53] <Shambling> "xml did it better" :P

L993[19:01:08] <h5h77> xml did it better? that's a joke right

L994[19:01:26] <Shambling> xml basically did it the exact same, so yes it was a joke

L995[19:01:42] <Shambling> hell... its all just data

L996[19:02:18] <Shambling> see those one's and zero's over there, ... that's a fruit smoothie ... and those over there... that's a gregtech recipe causing 500 people to have migraines :P

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L998[19:02:57] <h5h77> xml is a lot more intricate than it needs to be though from when i last looked at it

L999[19:03:08] <h5h77> like there's some crazy obscure syntax in there

L1000[19:03:32] <Shambling> hrmm... you're right. I think I ignored most of the extraneous stuff in xml when looking at what it did with those WoW mods back i nthe day

L1001[19:03:37] <h5h77> it is not unheard of that vulnerabilities have come about from accepting xml input

L1002[19:03:57] <h5h77> because xml parsers are huge nightmarish monsters full of stuff that is technically standard but no one knows exists

L1003[19:04:33] <h5h77> https://blog.detectify.com/2014/04/11/how-we-got-read-access-on-googles-production-servers/

L1004[19:04:41] <h5h77> be grateful for how simple json is ;)

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L1006[19:05:19] <Shambling> I'm sure if you knew the base code that read it, you could still cause a stack overflow with some of it, but yeah

L1007[19:05:46] <Shambling> what was it, sql databases that sometimes could have a sequence of certain characters would make it so that someone could completely overwrite the whole database

L1008[19:06:12] <h5h77> you mean sql injections?

L1009[19:06:26] <Shambling> I'm thinking that was it

L1010[19:07:50] <Corosus> leave bobby tables alone!

L1011[19:08:51] <Corosus> i like jsons ability to go from class to json data, but i guess thats more about the library that does it

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L1027[20:37:38] <piousminion> In forgeChunkLoading.cfg, what the heck is a "ticket" in reference to "I:maximumChunksPerTicket" ?

L1028[20:39:28] <tterrag> Corosus: well json was literally designed to represent objects

L1029[20:39:34] <tterrag> So it's pretty good at that

L1030[20:41:37] <piousminion> I can't find the answer to this seemingly simple question anywhere online. :/

L1031[20:43:21] <tterrag> A ticket is just what mods use to force chunks

L1032[20:43:32] <mezz> net.minecraftforge.common.ForgeChunkManager.Ticket

L1033[20:43:39] <tterrag> I'm not sure how many mods use that system though, or how useful the config is

L1034[20:45:00] <piousminion> tterrag: I'm trying to limit how many chunks a user is allowed to have loaded via chunkloaders. Tips?

L1035[20:45:02] <Corosus> MADNESSES

L1036[20:45:16] <mezz> I think it was added here https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/commit/c684360f5114264b3ff0b023c464dac847c81f6d

L1037[20:45:50] <tterrag> piousminion: what chunkloading mod are you using?

L1038[20:46:14] <piousminion> tterrag: I'm using Minefactory Reloaded's chunkloader.

L1039[20:46:59] <tterrag> Have you checked that mod for a config to control that?

L1040[20:47:18] <piousminion> tterrag: Indeed. The options are few.

L1041[20:47:43] <tterrag> Sucks. Why MFR? There are more configurable options out there

L1042[20:48:26] <piousminion> Mainly because I already use the mod and I'm trying to keep mod count down. Do you have a reccomended chunkloader mod?

L1043[20:49:51] <Corosus> i guess playerTicketCount in forgeChunkLoading.cfg doesnt cover it?

L1044[20:50:32] <piousminion> Corosus: "cover" ? I suppose it would, if I understood what that meant.

L1045[20:52:24] <tterrag> You can try the forge config

L1046[20:52:34] <tterrag> But it's entirely possible that MFR will ignore it

L1047[20:53:06] <tterrag> I personally use immibis' chunkloader mod

L1048[20:53:42] <piousminion> tterrag: The MFR config mentions obeying the forge limits.

L1049[20:53:46] <tterrag> Aka dimensional anchors

L1050[20:53:52] <tterrag> Oh in that case, yeah

L1051[20:53:53] <piousminion> I'll check out the immibis one.

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L1053[20:54:26] <tterrag> DA has configs for power usage, item usage, max loaded chunks, and online only loading

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L1059[21:03:27] <mezz> any luck h5h77 ?

L1060[21:03:49] <h5h77> i actually just started working on this again

L1061[21:03:52] <h5h77> this is super weird

L1062[21:03:54] <mezz> heh

L1063[21:04:18] <h5h77> so those resourcelocations for the fluid constructor without the textures/ and.png? they don't work if i add that

L1064[21:04:35] <mezz> maybe they're from the texture atlas?

L1065[21:04:37] <h5h77> so i have to call it like this

L1066[21:04:37] <h5h77> (name, new ResourceLocation("blocks/water_still"), new ResourceLocation("blocks/water_flow"), new ResourceLocation("textures/misc/underwater.png"));

L1067[21:04:50] <mezz> ok

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L1070[21:05:21] <mezz> maybe they're models and not textuers

L1071[21:05:34] <h5h77> oh that could be

L1072[21:05:42] <h5h77> now that you say it, i think there's another file associated with them

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L1074[21:06:05] <h5h77> oh yeah, the textures each have an .mcmeta file as well

L1075[21:06:19] <mezz> hm ok. special animation info

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L1077[21:06:42] <mezz> can't say I understand why it works that way, but as long as your stuff works I don't think we should worry

L1078[21:07:19] <h5h77> it's a little bit ugly to have inconsistent syntax in the same constructor, but i guess if the animations are models it almost makes snse

L1079[21:08:18] <mezz> yeah

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L1081[21:12:15] <h5h77> alright, got it all working, about to push

L1082[21:13:48] <mezz> cool

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L1104[22:56:50] <osum4est> is there a way to force an itemstack to show a "1" when there's only one left?

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L1107[23:03:39] <McJty> osum4est, in any inventory or in a custom inventory?

L1108[23:03:49] <osum4est> any inventory

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L1110[23:03:54] <McJty> No I don't think that's possible

L1111[23:05:02] <osum4est> ok, then next question, i have found i can set a stacksize to 0, and it shows 0, but dissapears when i move/right click it. is there a way to get it to stay?

L1112[23:05:25] <McJty> No, and certainly not when you are on 1.11

L1113[23:05:28] <McJty> Don't depend on that

L1114[23:05:46] <osum4est> darn. well, thanks!

L1115[23:06:53] <osum4est> oh, actually, is there a way to convert a string of text into bakedquads?

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