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L15[01:28:08] <killjoy> python is on github now

L16[01:28:13] <killjoy> https://github.com/python/cpython

L17[01:29:42] <fry|sleep> http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/interesting.jpg

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L19[01:29:59] <killjoy> It's just like when google moved to git

L20[01:30:01] <killjoy> *hub

L21[01:30:11] <killjoy> or Microsoft

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L24[01:32:33] <Akkarin> sooo? everybody does eventually

L25[01:32:46] <killjoy> mhm

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L48[03:52:39] <LexManos> what dont people fucking get.. don't make coremods, and if you do, don't fucking expect us to handfeed you shit?

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L53[04:13:26] <kashike> hm?

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L59[05:45:54] <copygirl> Hmm.. I don't suppose an entry in a config GUI can be a custom height.. can it?

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L61[05:48:00] <copygirl> Taking a quick look at it, slotHeight seems to come from GuiListExtended or so?

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L66[06:04:06] <Denyol> Is it good practice to add an api to my mod? How do I go about it? I like the idea of it

L67[06:09:31] <copygirl> There's a number of different ways you can go about it.

L68[06:09:58] <copygirl> Like IMC messages.

L69[06:11:51] <copygirl> If your API doesn't change, you can compile an -api .jar that mods can reference in their workspace, or even include it in their builds.

L70[06:12:22] <copygirl> Though.. I can't recommend good practices because I'm not sure myself.

L71[06:14:11] <Denyol> I might look into IMC

L72[06:14:39] <Denyol> AFAIK for JEU you include it in the workspace

L73[06:14:41] <Denyol> JEI*

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L86[07:22:24] <TechnicianLP> !ch ServerConfigurationManager

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L89[07:43:06] <TechnicianLP> is there an event fired when a player is saved to disk?

L90[07:47:25] <TechnicianLP> ok to prevent xy-problems: is there a way to change a tag in the players nbt when being saved to disk?

L91[07:55:21] <ghz|afk> hmmm

L92[07:55:23] <ghz|afk> how slow would it be

L93[07:55:29] <ghz|afk> to have an IItemHandler for an ItemStack

L94[07:55:40] <ghz|afk> deserialize the ItemStack from NBT every time someone calls getStackFromSlot?

L95[07:55:54] <ghz|afk> I'm thinking it should be ok

L96[07:56:04] <ghz|afk> since there's never more than 9 slots

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L98[07:56:17] <ghz|afk> but then again, I'm calling getStack every frame, while the GUI is open

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L100[07:57:22] <TechnicianLP> i have something similiar: i open a inventory from the stack - it only loads once and saves when needed (and to prevent dupes the inventory autocloses if the stack in the hand changes)

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L104[08:08:00] <ghz|afk> TechnicianLP: ah thx, I forgot to implement something to close the GUI if the stack changes

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L125[09:52:51] <DrPiggy> Hello! does someone know how to check if a dimension exists (like to check if there is a dimension by the id for example "2" or not)

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L147[12:00:56] <Hink> What version of Minecraft had the mouse mechanic where you could hover over an item in your inventory and scroll to do the equivalent of shift-clicking it into your inventory.

L148[12:01:15] <Hink> I mean from your inventory to your hotbar.

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L152[12:18:44] <LexManos> illy, you there?

L153[12:19:06] <TechnicianLP> Hink: i think the thing you're looking for is a mod called "inventory tweaks"

L154[12:20:01] <Hink> TechnicianLP— nah, this was a Vanilla mechanic that used the scroll wheel.

L155[12:20:08] <Hink> I think it was like 1.2.X.

L156[12:20:19] <Hink> I tired 1.2.5 and it wasn't it.

L157[12:20:52] <LexManos> illy, Just curious, with the JavaWrapper can we use it in a mode to NOT download a JRE? Basically as a replacement for L4J where we can just specify "Try running this jar with atleast this JRE and error/post a link if they don't have it installed"

L158[12:20:52] <TechnicianLP> the oldes v i played was 1.4.7

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L161[12:24:02] <Intektor> is this minecart stuff on servers normal?

L162[12:24:31] <Intektor> Minecarts do the breaking animations on the server all the time when on a rail

L163[12:24:43] <Intektor> and you cant sit on them

L164[12:26:06] <codahq> hmm... anybody ever seen the load and pre-init events screech to a halt after registering a entity rendering handler (in any event)?

L165[12:26:43] <Intektor> ok, if this is a feature now in minecraft, its a bloody bad one

L166[12:28:22] <Intektor> oh nevermid my fault

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L168[12:34:19] <codahq> wow... wtf. here is something fun. put a break point in a render class in eclipse and then try to load minecraft. even though the break point is never hit for some reason it calculates the break point stop condition non-stop.

L169[12:34:46] <codahq> if you actually get it to load then it's okay after that.

L170[12:35:11] <Intektor> use IntelliJ

L171[12:35:53] <Intektor> eclipse is fine for many cases as well tho

L172[12:36:10] <ghz|afk> I'd guess breakpoints are managed by the jvm?

L173[12:36:58] <ghz|afk> [19:00] (Hink): What version of Minecraft had the mouse mechanic where you could hover over an item in your inventory and scroll to do the equivalent of shift-clicking it into your inventory.

L174[12:37:03] <ghz|afk> I don't recall that ever being in mc o_O

L175[12:37:11] <Hink> It was at one point.

L176[12:37:16] <Hink> It was really OP for soup PVP.

L177[12:38:12] <ghz|afk> I still think it should be in vanilla ;P

L178[12:38:40] <ghz|afk> although Isee how someone with a free-spinning mousewheel could easily hover on a chest moving from slot to slow

L179[12:38:44] <ghz|afk> slot*

L180[12:38:50] <ghz|afk> taking a lot of things quickly

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L182[12:46:57] <Intektor> maybe it was a mod

L183[12:47:04] <Intektor> I think its a pretty simple but OP mod

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L186[12:51:56] <Thisguy_> Is an IDE absolutely required to write up a forge mod?

L187[12:52:20] <Vigaro> No, but absolutely recommended

L188[12:52:37] <Thisguy_> gradlew build should work totally IDE free, then.

L189[12:52:38] <fry> only sith deal in absolutes

L190[12:53:09] <Vigaro> Yeah, as long as you can do everything without help

L191[12:53:09] <Intektor> Do you want to programm in notepad?

L192[12:53:11] <ghz|afk> Thisguy_: yes it is quite easy to setup a CI server that just runs

L193[12:53:18] <ghz|afk> "gradlew setupCiWorkspace build"

L194[12:53:24] <Vigaro> But I don't really see a reason to go through that much trouble

L195[12:53:38] <ghz|afk> but almost no one is crazy enough to program a mod without an IDE

L196[12:53:42] <ghz|afk> it's just too useful not to

L197[12:53:43] <Thisguy_> I have a passionate hatred for IDEs for no reason, and I do everything the hard way because I'm a moron

L198[12:53:50] <ghz|afk> your choice, then

L199[12:53:58] <ghz|afk> so long as you have java in your path

L200[12:54:06] <ghz|afk> you can run the appropriate version of the gradlew script

L201[12:54:45] <Thisguy_> As for notepad, no, I'm using nano ;)

L202[12:54:57] <Vigaro> So cool

L203[12:55:04] <Thisguy_> Ouch, my pride.

L204[12:55:34] <ghz|afk> nano is nice -- for editing a couple configuration files

L205[12:55:37] <Thisguy_> Alright, lemme rephrase my question. I'm a moron and I don't know where to get the right dependency to import the Mod class.

L206[12:55:58] <ghz|afk> try using an IDE to see how it suggests you do that

L207[12:56:00] <Intektor> Get an IDE

L208[12:56:05] <ghz|afk> then you type it into nano afterward

L209[12:56:06] <ghz|afk> XD

L210[12:56:12] <Thisguy_> Grumble grumble.

L211[12:56:18] <Vigaro> That was supposed to be a compliment, if you can easily develop a fully functional mod using only nano and the gradle script you're pretty much a pro at it

L212[12:56:20] <ghz|afk> or you know

L213[12:56:24] <ghz|afk> look at other people's code

L214[12:56:43] <McJty> I would only be about 10% productive (if even that) if I didn't use an IDE for mod development

L215[12:56:47] <McJty> I consider it pretty much essential

L216[12:57:08] <Intektor> Or just use an IDE and you won't die on ald age disease before your main class is finished

L217[12:57:14] <Intektor> old

L218[12:57:15] <ghz|afk> I'd spend more time looking at documentation or trying to remember where the F the classes are imported from

L219[12:57:19] <ghz|afk> than coding

L220[12:57:23] <Thisguy_> McJty: I'd be willing to consider using one once I was confident that I could replicate everything it was doing for me without having it.

L221[12:57:44] <McJty> Thisguy_, well an IDE helps you write code. In the end you could have written that code in a text editor

L222[12:57:48] <Thisguy_> As I said before, I like doing things the hard way... once or twice.

L223[12:57:48] <fry> thing is though, that java is a horrendous language, if you're not using an ide

L224[12:57:57] <McJty> Exactly

L225[12:58:01] <Vigaro> It is not like you need to remember the location of every single method and class to be a good programmer

L226[12:58:02] <Thisguy_> fry: No kidding. I used to make Bukkit plugins without one.

L227[12:58:04] <fry> and nobody in their right mind would use it in 2017 if not for idea :P

L228[12:58:11] <fry> *ides :P

L229[12:58:25] <McJty> Thisguy_, modding is hard enough already without having to worry about not using an IDE and getting the tons of help from that

L230[12:58:38] <Intektor> Coding is pretty fun, but without an IDE its like drowning in boiling water

L231[12:58:41] <ghz|afk> fry: not sure if eclipse users are "in their right mind" anyhow, so it's still valid ;p

L232[12:58:41] <McJty> I mean, I constantly refactor my code. Move around stuff. Rename methods, ...

L233[12:58:48] <Thisguy_> McJty: I've more or less come here to discuss that, and I'm considering grabbing eclipse or something/

L234[12:58:53] <McJty> I shudder having to do that in a text editor and then trying to figure out where my method is used

L235[12:59:02] <fry> I developed my first mod without an ide, but it was mostly a waste of time

L236[12:59:06] <McJty> I recommend IDEA but tastes differe

L237[12:59:06] <ghz|afk> Thisguy_: most of us recommend intelliJ IDEA

L238[12:59:07] <McJty> differ

L239[12:59:19] <ghz|afk> the Community edition is free & opensource

L240[12:59:20] <Thisguy_> ghz|afk: Works for me, I have literally no preferences when it comes to IDEs.

L241[12:59:39] <Thisguy_> fry: I'll take that into account.

L242[13:00:06] <ghz|afk> Thisguy_: think of it this way: given a table of package contents, could you easily look it up to write the import line?

L243[13:00:09] <Thisguy_> Looks like my distro packs intellij in official repos.

L244[13:00:16] <Thisguy_> ghz|afk: Yes

L245[13:00:21] <ghz|afk> given javadocs, could you easily look them up to find the possible methods in a class?

L246[13:00:23] <fry> it's nice if you want to truly feel how horrible the situation with the console-based dev tools is for java, but not for much more :D

L247[13:00:31] <Thisguy_> ghz|afk: Used to do it all the time.

L248[13:00:39] <ghz|afk> given a piece of code, could you easily rename stuff until it compiles again?

L249[13:00:44] <ghz|afk> or move a method around?

L250[13:00:49] <Thisguy_> I could

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L253[13:00:57] <ghz|afk> then you have done mostly everything an IDE does for you

L254[13:01:00] <ghz|afk> ;P

L255[13:01:04] <Thisguy_> I could probably use a shell script for that, actually...

L256[13:01:05] <ghz|afk> it's just a timesaver

L257[13:01:22] <fry> exactly

L258[13:01:32] <fry> everything you can do in the ide you can do outside

L259[13:01:35] <Vigaro> If you're using scripts to do thing for your then you're pretty much using your own IDE, though

L260[13:01:40] <Thisguy_> fry: This I know

L261[13:01:45] <fry> but for java it's like 100x slower

L262[13:01:46] <McJty> Renaming a method in IDEA is a few seconds. And that includes changing ALL other files that use that method

L263[13:01:52] <Thisguy_> Vigaro: I understand that

L264[13:02:15] <Thisguy_> McJty: I admit my hatred of the thought of using an IDE is irrational at best

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L266[13:02:22] <McJty> Extracting 10 lines of code in another method and automatically replacing where it came from in the proper method call: another 2 seconds work

L267[13:02:29] <McJty> I *love* the IDEA refactoring tools

L268[13:02:34] <ghz|afk> me too

L269[13:02:50] <ghz|afk> I just prefer the keyboard shortcuts of VS

L270[13:02:51] <ghz|afk> ;P

L271[13:02:59] <ghz|afk> ctrl-r,ctrl-r -> refactor/rename

L272[13:03:05] <ghz|afk> ctrl-r/ctrl-i -> refactor/inline

L273[13:03:07] <ghz|afk> etc

L274[13:03:17] <fry> also, ideavim <3

L275[13:03:39] <fry> 70% as comfortable as an actual vim :P

L276[13:03:49] <ghz|afk> I have ended up memorizing ctral-alt-n in idea for inlining, but it's awkward to me

L277[13:03:50] <ghz|afk> ;P

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L280[13:04:27] <Thisguy_> I've never thought bothering with vim would ultimately be worth it. Time saving for the future, but would I gain enough time for it to matter in the grand scheme of things? "You will eventually die. Nano."

L281[13:05:16] <McJty> Vim is a lovely editor. I still use it a lot

L282[13:05:21] <McJty> But not for making mods :-)

L283[13:05:25] <ghz|afk> my thinking is completely opposite: life's too short to do things by hand

L284[13:05:27] <fry> learn how to do whatever nano shows on the bottom in vim, and it'll already be much faster :P

L285[13:05:34] <McJty> Although I have occasionally used vim for its macros when editing java files too

L286[13:05:38] <ghz|afk> the more an IDE helps me, the less time I spend typing and the more progress I make

L287[13:05:54] <fry> good thing about vim is that even if you only learn a handful of commands, it's still great :D

L288[13:05:54] <ghz|afk> I do not like vim, though

L289[13:05:58] <ghz|afk> too obscure for me

L290[13:06:01] <Thisguy_> fry: I only half care about nano's features. It's mostly the typing without having to say "I'll be typing on this line, now."

L291[13:06:05] <ghz|afk> it relies on *remembering*

L292[13:06:09] <ghz|afk> I don't like that ;P

L293[13:06:27] <McJty> ghz|afk, I have used it so long that I no longer have to remember vim. It is in my 'fingers'

L294[13:06:27] <fry> literally everything relies on remembering :P

L295[13:06:43] <Thisguy_> What are we talking about?

L296[13:06:45] <ghz|afk> fry: yes but my remembering is spatial

L297[13:07:01] <ghz|afk> I can remember a structure better than random combinations of fingers or letters

L298[13:07:08] * McJty was probably using vi (not vim) when most of the people here were not even born yet :-)

L299[13:07:10] <ghz|afk> so menus work much more effectively for me

L300[13:07:37] <ghz|afk> over time, I pick up a few keyboard shortcuts -- note: a few

L301[13:07:48] <fry> ghz|afk: muscle memory :P

L302[13:08:09] <ghz|afk> i'm the kind of person who goes to the save icon and clicks it

L303[13:08:18] <ghz|afk> rather than using ctrl-s or whatever the app's shortcut happens to be

L304[13:08:22] <fry> improve :P

L305[13:08:35] <ghz|afk> I have -- for other things

L306[13:08:37] <fry> your hands will thank you in 20 years, or smth like that

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L308[13:09:18] <ghz|afk> ctrl-c/x/v are in the muscle memory dictionary, ofc

L309[13:09:35] <PitchBright> I prefer nano over vim... but from what I've read about vim, hardcore folks say it's better

L310[13:09:39] <ghz|afk> ctrl-z/ctr-y for changing my mind

L311[13:10:20] <McJty> Even in editors like IDEA or others I occasionally forget that I'm not in vim and press 'esc' after typing some text :-)

L312[13:10:25] <ghz|afk> but then after that, it becomes too... app-specific

L313[13:10:25] <Thisguy_> PitchBright: It's got really nice features for quickly adjusting based on words, lines, or individual letters, delete whole word is two keystrokes or something, delete whole line is too.

L314[13:10:45] <ghz|afk> I usually have to remember what photoshop's undo/redo are

L315[13:10:46] <Thisguy_> If you're good with it you can make quick edits.

L316[13:10:54] <PitchBright> yeah, stuff like that was highly touted

L317[13:11:29] <PitchBright> my usage of nano is so minimal, and my edits are so nominal that it was easier for me to go with nano, for the few quick and dirty changes I needed to make

L318[13:12:13] <Thisguy_> I use nano half and half with gedit to do literally everything related to config files, text files, and apparently as of previously, source code for java.

L319[13:12:22] <PitchBright> I think I spent more time trying to figure out how to Save, with vim.... than I did doing everything I needed to do with nano, lol. But I'm not a linux guy so, that probably explains that.

L320[13:12:56] <Thisguy_> I've been on Arch for years because I like things to go wrong relatively often.

L321[13:13:16] <Thisguy_> If I have problems to fix, I'm learning.

L322[13:13:25] <Thisguy_> Plus the fine grained control of things is nice.

L323[13:14:10] <PitchBright> Agreed, that's the best way to learn.

L324[13:14:16] <Vigaro> You can't say good thing about arch without citing the AUR, though

L325[13:14:36] <PitchBright> I got to a point though, where I just wanted things to work, so I became a Mac user

L326[13:15:14] <Thisguy_> Vigaro: I rarely need the AUR. Then again, I don't buy new video games much, either.

L327[13:15:21] <Thisguy_> PitchBright: That hurts me physically

L328[13:15:25] <PitchBright> haha

L329[13:15:33] <PitchBright> I figured I'd get a reaction ;)

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L333[13:28:39] <Thisguy_> Alright, I've got idea going. I have some source code. I have build.gradle, .gradle, and gradlew. Wat... do?

L334[13:30:01] <fry> watch some youtube! :D

L335[13:30:26] <fry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfmlNiHonV0

L336[13:31:41] <Thisguy_> Apparently I never set JAVA_HOME, so that's fixed now

L337[13:31:57] <McJty> Thisguy_, watch that video fry posted. That's the best way to start

L338[13:32:05] <Thisguy_> Works for me.

L339[13:37:34] <ghz|afk> http://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/gettingstarted/#terminal-free-intellij-idea-configuration

L340[13:37:51] <ghz|afk> I like to avoid terminal windows

L341[13:38:01] <ghz|afk> ;P

L342[13:38:39] <ghz|afk> (it's the same method as the video, mostly)

L343[13:39:01] <McJty> I still prefer commandline so I do the setup from a shell :-)

L344[13:39:39] <ghz|afk> yeah I prefer to avoid t hat

L345[13:40:03] <ghz|afk> oh hey wtf

L346[13:40:13] <ghz|afk> "the numbering starts at 4." -- but it starts at 1

L347[13:40:18] <ghz|afk> bad readthedocs, bad!

L348[13:40:19] <fry> are you typing irc messages by selecting words from a menu? :D

L349[13:40:47] <ghz|afk> fry: no, thankfully, words are in muscle memory by now

L350[13:40:48] <ghz|afk> ;p

L351[13:40:56] * fry is surprized :P

L352[13:41:21] <ghz|afk> I think it has to do with learning words before computers ;P

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L354[13:42:21] <ghz|afk> i wonder, if I was born now, if I'd end up enjoying programming, or i'd prefer visual programming thingies

L355[13:42:31] <ghz|afk> (such as UE4 blueprints)

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L357[13:44:50] <Intektor> I have to apply some kind of explosive to a player, when another player right clicks him, that explodes after 3 seconds and kills the player, do you know a good way of doing that?

L358[13:45:28] <ghz|afk> use a capability to keep track of the counter?

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L360[13:45:49] <ghz|afk> and use a player tick event handler to count down

L361[13:45:51] <ghz|afk> I guess.

L362[13:45:59] <Intektor> ah yeah that sounds like a good idea

L363[13:46:53] <McJty> Intektor, the explosion cannot be avoided?

L364[13:47:01] <Intektor> no

L365[13:47:09] <McJty> Because to me it might make more sense to simply put an actual 'bomb' item in the players inventory

L366[13:47:15] <McJty> So if he is fast he can still throw it away

L367[13:47:18] <McJty> More realistic in a way

L368[13:47:43] <ghz|afk> that would mean someone with a full inventory couldn't get bombed ;p

L369[13:47:52] <Intektor> I lied about the right click (I mean your idea is a great one), it is actually my sniper gun, that when it hits the player makes him explode

L370[13:48:01] <Intektor> but the rightclick was a faster way of explaining :D

L371[13:48:13] <McJty> ghz|afk, well first you steal an item then :-)

L372[13:48:39] <Intektor> extra bomb slot :D

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L374[13:51:47] <Thisguy_> Last night I decompiled minecraft by mistake, today I'm learning an IDE. Safe to say I'm doing *stuff*.

L375[13:52:03] <Intektor> Are you new to java?

L376[13:52:06] <Thisguy_> No.

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L379[13:55:29] <killjoy> intellij auto-decompiles classes you don't have sources to

L380[13:55:46] <killjoy> but you have to accept the fernflower eula

L381[14:02:45] <Thisguy_> fry: I've got everything set up and I'm getting the same problem I was getting *outside* of idea. It can't find any forge classes that I try to import.

L382[14:03:04] <Intektor> you sure you did gradlew sDecW?

L383[14:03:14] <Thisguy_> I did.

L384[14:03:17] <Thisguy_> I thought...

L385[14:03:25] <Intektor> How long did that take?

L386[14:03:32] <Thisguy_> I followed the video fry linked me, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfmlNiHonV0

L387[14:03:33] <Intektor> like 30 seconds?

L388[14:03:34] <fry> don't try to import, try to use, and it'll prompt you to auto-import :P

L389[14:03:47] <Thisguy_> That's weird, but okay.

L390[14:04:51] <Thisguy_> Well, now I feel silly. The mod I was trying to learn from was from another version, and apparently net.minecraftforge.common is now net.minecraftforge.fml.common.

L391[14:05:00] <Thisguy_> That solves that.

L392[14:05:02] <fry> :D

L393[14:05:42] <Thisguy_> fry: You've sold me on this whole "don't abuse yourself, use an IDE" thing

L394[14:06:01] <fry> and see, it helped already :D

L395[14:06:48] <Thisguy_> I just can't believe I never found that class when I looked in the jar myself...

L396[14:07:06] <Thisguy_> I should have been able to resolve that outside of idea, but now I'm hooked.

L397[14:07:14] <fry> again, ides help with that immensely

L398[14:07:24] <fry> and it's sadly worth the downsides

L399[14:07:28] <Thisguy_> I knew that already, I was just salty.

L400[14:07:37] <Intektor> How do I update any entity every tick?

L401[14:07:42] <Intektor> with an event handler?=

L402[14:08:18] <Thisguy_> Here's a crazy question. Am I allowed by standards and practices to make my jar executable as well?

L403[14:08:43] <fry> don't think that's quite possible

L404[14:09:00] <Thisguy_> Why not? It's programming, I can do whatever I want as long as I figure out how.

L405[14:09:23] <fry> don't think jar and elf are compatible

L406[14:09:32] <Thisguy_> Whaddya mean elf?

L407[14:09:38] <fry> or do you mean just putting a main class in your jar? :D

L408[14:09:42] <Thisguy_> I mean including a manifest.

L409[14:09:47] <fry> sure, that's very possible

L410[14:09:50] <Thisguy_> Cool.

L411[14:10:03] <Intektor> Where is EntityUpdateEvent?

L412[14:10:04] <Thisguy_> Just wondering if there was some unspoken rule against it.

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L414[14:10:33] <TehNut> You mean LivingUpdateEvent?

L415[14:10:54] <Intektor> no, I want every entity, not just the living ones

L416[14:11:16] <TehNut> Don't think we have that

L417[14:11:27] <Intektor> but thats super stupid

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L419[14:14:02] <TehNut> I mean, you could use the world tick event and get every loaded entity

L420[14:14:08] <TehNut> Not too sure if that's the best way though

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L423[14:18:00] <Intektor> I did that now

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L427[14:23:33] <Intektor> What is wrong with my capability? http://i.imgur.com/8psoK1P.png

L428[14:23:41] <Intektor> di I forget to register it or something?

L429[14:25:29] <Intektor> Oh yeah I did

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L483[17:09:22] <DanteAnywaking> hey guys, anyone here can help me with a sync problem that I'm having my mod?

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L486[17:31:03] <codahq> DanteAnywaking, you'll have better luck if you just ask the question.

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L488[17:35:20] <DanteAnywaking> yeah.. my problem is, when a client joins the game my tile entity is outdated and sync all clients on a timer seens a bad idea.

L489[17:36:27] <Shambling> dang I guess I logged on at the wrong moment. What type of tile entity are you talking about?

L490[17:37:12] <DanteAnywaking> what you mean?

L491[17:37:43] <Shambling> well I'm interested in what type of tile entity you are talking about in case I have any ideas that are useful :P

L492[17:41:34] <DanteAnywaking> it's just a type of crafting for my mod. The model has the inventory of the tile entity rendered inside of it, so when the inventory change I update all clients watching the chunk, but when the inventory already has items and the client joins the world, the client doesn't knowm about the inventory

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L495[17:47:49] <codahq> i would probably go check how the furnace does it. sounds like it acts the same as that. there might be an onOpen event/method you need to override/implement

L496[17:48:43] <ghz|afk> DanteAnywaking: if you override getUpdateTag/handleUpdateTag, the info will be sent on the bulk chunk data

L497[17:48:55] <DanteAnywaking> i'm pretty sure that the furnace just render the fire thing and that i'ts metadata based, and that it's synced when the client just

L498[17:49:11] <DanteAnywaking> ghz, i'll look into that

L499[17:49:18] <ghz|afk> if you then override getUpdatePacket/onDataPacket, you can manually use notifyBlockUpdate to cause a packet to be sent with the TE data

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L501[17:52:22] <Shambling> tinker's construct for 1.10.2 also makes crafting ingredients visible to clients, so maybe check out how that does it as well for a second opinion

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L503[18:01:06] <Shambling> personal preference question: is a survival based modpack in dying biome's too easy if critters spawn naturally?

L504[18:01:58] <Shambling> grass still spawns in these biomes, so I'm not sure if having to grow food is measurably harder than murdering pigs

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L508[19:07:20] <Shambling> holy flippin heck, there's literally 500 guardians spawned in the ocean here

L509[19:14:18] <Shambling> is there something that would all of a sudden make search note work in notepad++?

L510[19:14:26] <Shambling> I can find ocean, but not guardian... and the words are literally next to each other

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L513[19:30:10] <Twisted_Code> do fake players count for triggering vanilla spawners?

L514[19:41:55] <Cisien> generally not

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L526[20:24:21] <digseraph> How do you handle non-planar quads in BakedModels? Is there a way to do tris, or do I have to "fake" it by doing quads with two vertices the same?

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L532[20:58:00] <tterrag> 'non planar' ?

L533[20:58:26] <tterrag> you want to do triangles? yes that is the only way

L534[21:02:26] <digseraph> ok, I thought so, but was hoping not, lol. Got it working that way while I was waiting. Thanks :)

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L537[21:08:19] <digseraph> g'night all

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L554[23:22:17] <illy> LexDesktop: something like javawrapper yea I can do that

L555[23:22:48] <illy> yes ill push that once I get home

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L560[23:47:41] <killjoy> I love the Amazon Q&A

L561[23:48:38] <killjoy> https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Switch-Gray-Joy-Con/dp/B01LTHP2ZK/?th=1#Ask

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