OCLogs: 2016-12-10.log

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L18[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20161210 mappings to Forge Maven.

L19[02:00:07] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20161210-1.11.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20161210" in build.gradle).

L20[02:00:17] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L47[03:41:30] <blood_> anyone know if OpenComputers devs have a channel?

L48[03:47:36] <kashike> #oc?

L49[03:48:19] <blood_> yea got it thanks

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L73[06:19:59] <VikeStep> so, what's a good resource for someone who hasn't made mods since 1.8? Any major changes to start making mods for 1.10/11?

L74[06:22:40] <VikeStep> also, should I start off with 1.10 or go straight to 1.11?

L75[06:22:47] <VikeStep> or is it easy to maintain both until 1.11 adoption?

L76[06:24:05] <Eragonn1490> tons

L77[06:24:24] <Eragonn1490> tbh if you can it would prob save you alot of work to start new

L78[06:25:05] <VikeStep> yeah, am not updating an old mod

L79[06:25:18] <VikeStep> unless you mean start learning modding from scratch

L80[06:25:37] <VikeStep> I want to forget my old mod. too much ASM. not good for me

L81[06:26:29] <Eragonn1490> hold on a sec

L82[06:27:09] <VikeStep> oh nice the forge site has documentation now

L83[06:27:36] <gigaherz> meh 1.8 to 1.10/1.11 isn't THAT different

L84[06:27:49] <gigaherz> if you did it right

L85[06:27:50] <gigaherz> ;P

L86[06:28:01] <gigaherz> there ARE changes, though

L87[06:28:11] <VikeStep> I'm gonna make use of guice. I've drunk the dependency injection coolaid a couple months ago

L88[06:28:21] <VikeStep> koolaid*

L89[06:28:30] <Eragonn1490> i mean i got it mostly finished but the things i didnt get done are just sitting in purgatory

L90[06:28:41] <gigaherz> 1.8 introduced the model system

L91[06:28:52] <VikeStep> but yeah, what's the deal on 1.10/11?

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L93[06:28:58] <gigaherz> 1.8.9 introduced the capabilities

L94[06:29:14] <gigaherz> 1.9 renamed a whole bunch of things, and introduced the offhand slot

L95[06:29:33] <gigaherz> 1.9.4 introduced the new general-purpose registry api

L96[06:29:48] <VikeStep> ooh, nice

L97[06:29:50] <gigaherz> 1.10.2 was a very minor update over 1.9.4 at first

L98[06:29:53] <gigaherz> but near the end

L99[06:30:30] <gigaherz> it got the @Mod.EventBusSubscriber annotation, which auto-registers static @SubscribeEvent methods (yes, static only)

L100[06:30:47] <gigaherz> along with generic events

L101[06:30:59] <gigaherz> @AttachCapabilitiesEvent<Entity>

L102[06:31:07] <gigaherz> @RegistryEvent.Register<Block>

L103[06:31:19] <VikeStep> I remember vaguely reading about capabilities before I quit modding last

L104[06:31:24] <gigaherz> and finally

L105[06:31:25] <gigaherz> 1.11

L106[06:31:31] <gigaherz> mojang made ItemStacks @Nonnull

L107[06:31:43] <VikeStep> they could be null before?

L108[06:31:46] <gigaherz> there's now an "empty" stack

L109[06:31:56] <VikeStep> oh yeah, that's right

L110[06:31:57] <gigaherz> the ItemStack fields are never null

L111[06:32:09] <gigaherz> also ItemStack.item is final

L112[06:32:19] <gigaherz> which forced forge to make some fluid api changes

L113[06:32:37] <gigaherz> and .stackSize is private, and used through methods

L114[06:32:43] <gigaherz> .getCount/.setCount/.grow/.shrink

L115[06:33:05] <gigaherz> I'm sure I forgot something along the way

L116[06:33:08] <gigaherz> but that's the main stuff

L117[06:33:37] <VikeStep> hmm, I'll go have a look at some of the open source mods that have updated and check how they do things

L118[06:33:55] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/Survivalist/

L119[06:33:59] <gigaherz> feel free to check mine ;P

L120[06:34:08] <VikeStep> will do :D

L121[06:34:16] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/Ender-Rift/

L122[06:34:30] <VikeStep> did... autocrafting table mk2 ever get a replacement?

L123[06:34:37] <VikeStep> since afaik that mod died ages ago

L124[06:34:52] <gigaherz> there's some crafting table 4 mod or some thing

L125[06:35:04] <gigaherz> https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/craftingtable-iv

L126[06:35:09] <VikeStep> I see

L127[06:35:15] <VikeStep> rip, guess I need another idea

L128[06:37:24] <baegmon> what is everyone using as a replacement for techne?

L129[06:37:44] <gigaherz> Blender

L130[06:37:46] <gigaherz> with .obj models

L131[06:37:59] <gigaherz> or whatever your favorite modelling program is

L132[06:38:07] <Eragonn1490> giga was there a way to convert techne models to blender?

L133[06:38:11] <Eragonn1490> or just remake?

L134[06:38:20] <gigaherz> there's some tcn2obj

L135[06:38:38] <gigaherz> but they were made by people for their specific needs

L136[06:38:48] <gigaherz> so it won't work for all models

L137[06:38:57] <Eragonn1490> ah

L138[06:39:25] <baegmon> oh ok

L139[06:40:29] <baegmon> I've seen some 1.10.2 tutorials and they somehow managed to export techne models (using techne) to java code so idk how they got it working.... maybe a custom fork of techne idk

L140[06:40:58] <gigaherz> nah that's common techne use

L141[06:41:48] <baegmon> o uhh

L142[06:41:51] <gigaherz> the standard use case for techne was o export as .java using ModelRenderers and such

L143[06:42:15] <gigaherz> technically, that's how vanilla entities work

L144[06:42:16] <baegmon> is that frowned upon now? / better way to do custom models?

L145[06:42:28] <gigaherz> we don't like it, but it's how vanilla entities still work

L146[06:42:33] <gigaherz> it's frowned upon for blocks and items

L147[06:42:57] <gigaherz> specially for items, because that's not possible without libraries that ASM item rendering

L148[06:43:23] <gigaherz> for blocks, you cna use model renderers in TESRs

L149[06:43:23] <gigaherz> but meh.

L150[06:43:28] <gigaherz> best to avoid them altogether

L151[06:43:34] <gigaherz> (xcept for entities, but meh again)

L152[06:43:41] <baegmon> oh alright, I was looking to use it for custom entities but I might as well just convert to obj

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L172[08:43:33] <Grover_c13> before i go digging through code

L173[08:43:41] <Grover_c13> since the block ids swapped to strings ages ago

L174[08:43:46] <Grover_c13> how do they send it over the network?

L175[08:43:54] <Grover_c13> is it like a mini registry with each packer

L176[08:44:04] <gigaherz> the IDs still exist, for network purposes

L177[08:44:09] <AshIndigo_> Arcane lex/cwp magic

L178[08:44:10] <Grover_c13> ah i see

L179[08:44:42] <gigaherz> registries have .getIDFromwhatever / getWhateverFromID

L180[08:44:45] <Grover_c13> so i assume forge handles assigning a numeric id for each block

L181[08:44:49] <Grover_c13> ah awesome!

L182[08:44:52] <gigaherz> but ONLY for network purposes

L183[08:44:54] <Grover_c13> just what i need giga

L184[08:45:00] <Grover_c13> its for networking

L185[08:45:10] <Grover_c13> ty

L186[08:45:15] <gigaherz> yeah but I want to make it very clear

L187[08:45:26] <gigaherz> if you store it anywhere that will get saved to disk or something -- use the strings

L188[08:45:34] <Grover_c13> hmm

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L190[08:45:47] <gigaherz> in fact

L191[08:45:51] <Grover_c13> that should be fine

L192[08:45:55] <gigaherz> you shouldn't even use the ids yourself directly

L193[08:46:03] <gigaherz> ByteBufUtils has some Itemstack serializing stuff

L194[08:46:12] <Grover_c13> oh even better

L195[08:46:51] <Grover_c13> nothing for block states though :(?

L196[08:46:59] <gigaherz> why do you need blockstates?

L197[08:47:11] <gigaherz> they should only exist while placed into the world

L198[08:47:56] <Grover_c13> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwbDkz0x1QA

L199[08:48:01] <Grover_c13> the cubes in the background

L200[08:48:06] <Grover_c13> are sort of like virtual chunks

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L202[08:48:26] <Grover_c13> that i need to send the "model" of these block structures to the client which are made of block states

L203[08:48:33] <Grover_c13> as they can have real world counterparts

L204[08:48:35] <Grover_c13> for leaving/entering

L205[08:48:35] <gigaherz> I see

L206[08:48:38] <gigaherz> special case, then

L207[08:49:03] <gigaherz> in that case, I guess storing blockid+meta is the only efficient way

L208[08:49:09] <Grover_c13> yeah

L209[08:49:21] <Grover_c13> very helpful ty for your help

L210[08:49:27] <gigaherz> in fact, you'd have to replicate something akin to a micro-world

L211[08:49:36] <gigaherz> just to be able to draw the right models

L212[08:49:53] <gigaherz> so it's probably a good idea to use similar code to what mc itself uses for encoding packets

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L219[09:08:50] <Keridos> how can I force onblockactivated when an item is sneak clicked on a block?

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L223[09:14:17] <Eragonn1490> http://pastebin.com/bbFHE9st , whats the best way to make this work with a specific state of a block, for example state 1 can power and state 3 can, but state 2 cannot add power?

L224[09:15:18] <Ordinastie> get the state, check it

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L237[10:04:49] <Koward> I'm still looking for a way to remap entities (NOT TileEntities).

L238[10:05:03] <McJty> Is it actually possible to set the spawn point for a player in a different dimension?

L239[10:05:13] <McJty> I tried EntityPlayer.setSpawnChunk() but that doesn't seem to work

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L241[10:07:13] <McJty> Problem is that that only seems to set a spawn point for that dimension

L242[10:07:22] <McJty> But not a general place where players should return after they die

L243[10:07:23] <gigaherz> McJty: doesn't the command do it?

L244[10:07:29] <gigaherz> ah yeah

L245[10:07:33] <gigaherz> no, then

L246[10:07:40] <gigaherz> spawn is either in the same dimension, or overworld

L247[10:08:01] <gigaherz> I don't believe there's a "home dimension" for the player

L248[10:08:22] <McJty> Hmm I can have my own dimensions return the correct spawn dimension

L249[10:08:27] <McJty> But not dimensions that I don't own

L250[10:08:32] <McJty> provider.getRespawnDimension()

L251[10:08:51] <gigaherz> woudl be nice if it was stored in the player

L252[10:08:58] <diesieben07> yeah, the dimension decides whether you are allowed to respwn

L253[10:09:01] <McJty> indeed

L254[10:10:02] <McJty> Vaygrim was asking me a way to make sure that sleeping in a bed in an rftools dimension would make that the general return position for when the player dies

L255[10:10:08] <McJty> But that may not be possible in an easy way

L256[10:10:30] <McJty> I can make it work if the player dies in any other rftools dimension

L257[10:10:36] <McJty> But not otherwise

L258[10:10:51] <gigaherz> we'd need a hook

L259[10:10:54] <gigaherz> in recreatePlayerEntity

L260[10:10:59] <gigaherz> right after the call to getRespawnDimension

L261[10:11:12] <gigaherz> seems like a one-liner PR to forge

L262[10:12:31] <gigaherz> this is a situation where I wish event handlers had a priority

L263[10:12:59] <diesieben07> do they not?

L264[10:13:05] <Keridos> when I want to store an nbttagcompound on an itemstack of one of my items, how can I properly add shift-click support on a specific block?

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L266[10:13:14] <gigaherz> do they?

L267[10:13:16] <Keridos> my onblockactivated does not seem to fire when I shiftclick

L268[10:13:19] <diesieben07> they do.

L269[10:13:22] <gigaherz> hmm interesting

L270[10:13:25] <gigaherz> first time I hear about this

L271[10:13:40] <diesieben07> Keridos, onBlockActivated has never fired for shift-clicking unless you have an empty hand or the item explicitly lets it through

L272[10:13:44] <gigaherz> hmm so

L273[10:13:53] <gigaherz> if such a hook was accepted

L274[10:13:55] <Keridos> diesieben07: Can I override something in the item?

L275[10:14:06] <gigaherz> rftools dimensions could register a HIGHEST priority handler for it

L276[10:14:18] <diesieben07> doesSneakBypassUse

L277[10:14:46] <gigaherz> hmm although

L278[10:15:11] <gigaherz> there would be no way to distinguish 0=default, from 0=some mod really wants to force-respawn on the overworld

L279[10:15:43] <gigaherz> maybe a respawn dimension event isn't the best choice

L280[10:15:50] <diesieben07> you can have a field remember whether the thing was set externally

L281[10:15:55] <diesieben07> or maybe a "force" setting

L282[10:15:59] <gigaherz> and forge should allow mods to change the default

L283[10:16:00] <gigaherz> for an entity

L284[10:16:20] <gigaherz> a forge-provided homeDimension field

L285[10:17:23] <PaleoCrafter> The libraries shipped with Minecraft include Apache Commons, right?

L286[10:17:35] <gigaherz> some of it, iirc

L287[10:17:46] <McJty> EntityPlayer already has a SpawnChunk

L288[10:17:52] <gigaherz> it has commons-compress and commons-lang3

L289[10:17:53] <McJty> Wouldn't be too hard to add a SpawnDimension there

L290[10:18:09] <McJty> brb

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L292[10:19:26] <PaleoCrafter> Ah, great, because I'm considering PRing something to trim the splash screen strings with an ellipsis when too long

L293[10:19:56] <PaleoCrafter> StringUtils has just the right method :D

L294[10:20:16] <gigaherz> ah sorry, commons-codec, commons-io, and commons-logging, too

L295[10:20:24] <gigaherz> they just have different "group ids"

L296[10:20:49] <PaleoCrafter> As long as lang is included, I'm fine :P

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L298[10:33:45] <gigaherz> GAH, how do I disable IDEA messing with the imports?

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L302[10:41:04] <diesieben07> Settings > Editor > Auto Import

L303[10:41:15] <diesieben07> that has two things, you probably want Optimize Imports on the fly

L304[10:41:24] <gigaherz> it's off ... :/

L305[10:41:51] <diesieben07> then... it should not mess wiht imports

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L307[10:41:56] <diesieben07> unless you make intellij add an import

L308[10:42:22] <diesieben07> although... no that is nt true

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L310[10:44:38] <gigaherz> hmm on a diff

L311[10:44:39] <gigaherz> @@ -2362,6 +2474,168 @@

L312[10:44:47] <gigaherz> the number on the left is the index inside the original file

L313[10:45:01] <gigaherz> and the number on the right is the index inside the final file?

L314[10:45:08] <gigaherz> but i'm not sure what the numbers after the comma are

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L319[10:49:11] <gigaherz> oh I see, it's the number of lines in the thunk

L320[10:49:19] <gigaherz> in the A side and B side

L321[10:51:03] <gigaherz> McJty: this shoudl be enough for this? https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/compare/1.11.x...gigaherz:respawn-dimension?expand=1

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L323[10:51:11] <gigaherz> dunno if I missed anything

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L327[10:54:46] <McJty> gigaherz, hmm looks good except

L328[10:54:53] <McJty> Where is that spawn dimension saved when MC exits/reloads?

L329[10:55:09] <gigaherz> oops!

L330[10:55:23] <McJty> Thanks for doing that btw :-)

L331[10:55:29] * gigaherz is bored ;P

L332[10:55:38] <gigaherz> I'm nearing the endo f my vacation

L333[10:55:43] <gigaherz> so I feel the need to do things ;P

L334[10:55:56] <McJty> Also one problem might be that vaygrim most likely needs this for 1.10.2

L335[10:56:01] <McJty> As that is what his pack is working on

L336[10:56:19] <gigaherz> well, we can ask lex nicely, but chances are low ;P

L337[10:56:27] <McJty> yes I know

L338[10:56:34] <McJty> brb

L339[10:57:07] <gigaherz> where the F is the player saving/loading?

L340[10:57:22] <gigaherz> nevermind

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L342[11:01:05] <gigaherz> o/ williewillus ;P

L343[11:01:15] <williewillus> heyo

L344[11:01:18] <gigaherz> [17:54] (McJty): gigaherz, hmm looks good except

L345[11:01:18] <gigaherz> [17:55] (McJty): Where is that spawn dimension saved when MC exits/reloads?

L346[11:01:18] <gigaherz> [17:55] (gigaherz): oops!

L347[11:01:28] <gigaherz> I saw the reply in your PR right after reading this ;P

L348[11:01:39] <gigaherz> your reply in the PR*

L349[11:02:45] <gigaherz> adding persistence makes the diff "dirty" ;_;

L350[11:02:53] <gigaherz> it was so nice and tidy ;P

L351[11:03:42] <gigaherz> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/3528/files

L352[11:03:43] <gigaherz> meh.

L353[11:03:49] <gigaherz> it's just 2 added patch lines

L354[11:04:06] <gigaherz> but it cascades into all the thunk indices after it XD

L355[11:04:54] <gigaherz> I just thought of an issue, though

L356[11:05:09] <gigaherz> if someone deletes the "home" dimension

L357[11:05:17] <gigaherz> there's no fallback to the overworld, then

L358[11:06:53] <Koward> Guys have you ever used something within an IDE that could find all usages of null as a certain type ? That would be handy for the ItemStack references.

L359[11:07:29] <gigaherz> for methods and return values, yes, but not for fields and local variables

L360[11:07:51] <gigaherz> I couldn't find anything in IDEA that would warn me if I ever tried to assign a null into an ItemStack variable

L361[11:07:59] <williewillus> search for actual "null"? haha

L362[11:08:03] <williewillus> text search

L363[11:08:07] <williewillus> in your codebase only ofc

L364[11:09:43] <Koward> Of course I can find all usages of null, but I obviously wanted to limit a bit the search :P

L365[11:09:44] <McJty> You can annotate variables with @Nonnull too

L366[11:09:51] <McJty> But then of course you would have to manually do that everywhere

L367[11:10:01] <williewillus> get rid of all the nulls :D

L368[11:10:02] <PaleoCrafter> I still think IDEA has some sort of semantic search, can't remember its proper name though xD

L369[11:10:04] <gigaherz> yeah hence it wasn't a practical solution ;P

L370[11:10:44] <diesieben07> structural search

L371[11:10:58] <gigaherz> any other concerns/ideas regarding https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/3528 ?

L372[11:12:13] <Koward> Some claim using null is *almost* always bad anyway so maybe a global search of where I use it would be healthy

L373[11:12:37] <diesieben07> null is fine, if you use it properly :D

L374[11:12:49] <diesieben07> it's great as an internal marker or something

L375[11:12:50] <williewillus> which is rarely

L376[11:13:05] <McJty> gigaherz, PR seems to look ok as far as I can see

L377[11:13:37] <gigaherz> :)

L378[11:13:43] <McJty> Well null is good for primitive values where you want to indicate the possibility of not having a value. Like an Integer you didn't calculate yet

L379[11:13:50] <McJty> I'm a big fan of lazy evaluation

L380[11:13:55] <McJty> So I often use null to indicate: not calculated yet

L381[11:15:23] <gigaherz> problem is, null isn't good for that task

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L383[11:15:34] <gigaherz> it's useful for it, but not good for it

L384[11:15:39] <nallar> null is useful. Using Optional instead of it in java adds more indirection which is a shame. An implementation like kotlin's with proper nullable types which makes it impossible to get NPEs is great

L385[11:15:54] <williewillus> the "real" way to do that (not really comfortable in Java) is have some closure in a "future" that computes and caches once you "deref" it

L386[11:16:12] <gigaherz> C#'s Nullable<T> is a much better choice for it, since C#has valuetypes

L387[11:16:26] <gigaherz> but in Java, using Optional for a primitive type just isn't a thing

L388[11:16:37] <gigaherz> unless some lib has OptionalInt/OptionalLong/...

L389[11:16:41] <gigaherz> as explicit classes

L390[11:16:55] <PaleoCrafter> Just you wait for Valhalla :P

L391[11:17:01] <gigaherz> wait OptionalInt is actually a thing?

L392[11:17:02] <nallar> it's better in C# but not great still, as class types are nullable by default so it's still easy to NRE

L393[11:17:03] <Koward> typically the kind of thing guava could have, but I never checked (as I never needed it)

L394[11:17:09] <nallar> https://kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/null-safety.html

L395[11:17:12] <gigaherz> java.util.OptionalInt ...

L396[11:17:41] <nallar> OptionalInt still = another level of indirection so meh

L397[11:17:46] <williewillus> PaleoCrafter: better wait 5+ more years then ;p

L398[11:18:04] <gigaherz> nallar: sure, it's the same amount of indirection as Integer, and comparing with null

L399[11:18:10] <PaleoCrafter> idc as long as it's actually a thing :P

L400[11:18:13] <gigaherz> xcept the semantics are clean, instead of ambiguous

L401[11:18:20] <nallar> but we lose the integer boxing optimisation for common (0..256?) ints

L402[11:18:30] <gigaherz> did oyu use Integer because the IDE was stupid? or on purpose?

L403[11:19:03] <williewillus> what designates those as "common" anyway

L404[11:19:05] <williewillus> it seems arbitrary

L405[11:19:11] <nallar> it is arbitrary

L406[11:19:23] <gigaherz> it's 100% arbitrary

L407[11:19:29] <gigaherz> as decided by the java maintainers

L408[11:19:36] <williewillus> seems like an optimization that's completely unneeded now

L409[11:19:40] <williewillus> but the spec requires it so /shrug

L410[11:20:01] <gigaherz> it's really just an Integer[256] wit hthe instances precomputed

L411[11:20:04] <gigaherz> doesn't cost much

L412[11:20:10] <gigaherz> and I guess it has many benefits

L413[11:21:02] <nallar> https://github.com/oblac/java-common-benchmarks/blob/master/src/main/java/com/oblac/jcb/lang/NumberValueOfBenchmark.java#L28

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L415[11:26:03] <gigaherz> wow, $1.45m already, in the yogscast jingle jam 2016

L416[11:26:12] <gigaherz> sorry 1.44*

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L420[11:41:37] <Corosus> im trying to make an item that drains a value while its actively being "used", aka while right click is held, problem is the holding down of it glitches out when i change nbt data due to how itemstacks compare, and it causes it to think right click is still held down when it isnt

L421[11:42:01] <Corosus> any way to fix this without overloading the itemstack equalling to ignore the value i am decrementing during item use?

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L423[11:43:24] <gigaherz> Corosus: I have a very ugly thing for that in my WIP magic mod

L424[11:43:25] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/client/TickEventWandControl.java

L425[11:43:30] <gigaherz> disregard the class name

L426[11:43:51] <williewillus> wow that's hacky lol

L427[11:43:58] <gigaherz> that class serves 2 purposes: 1. keep the item "in use" while the stack's NBT changes, anmd 2. track the current spell's keypresses

L428[11:44:00] <Corosus> ah yeah, noticed the onLivingUseItem forge event when tracing code calls

L429[11:44:14] <Corosus> hrm

L430[11:45:26] <Corosus> man, even uses packets lol, which i guess it would have to since you are not using vanilla methods for that triggering of "in use"

L431[11:45:32] <gigaherz> oh and

L432[11:45:37] <gigaherz> check shouldCauseReequipAnimation

L433[11:45:49] <gigaherz> if you return false, mc won't see it as an item change

L434[11:45:51] <Corosus> yeah tried that one forcing false, it still derps the usage state

L435[11:46:11] <Corosus> nice for forge to have added that one though

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L437[11:46:24] <gigaherz> yeah the only clean solution I found, was to use my own use tracker

L438[11:46:26] <Corosus> thx for the link though, if i wanna get this perfect i might go this route

L439[11:46:37] <Corosus> i just wanted to make a quick fun item @n@

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L442[11:47:44] <Corosus> other idea i had was using the onupdate method for item + storing the "is right click down" state in the nbt which iirc is auto synced to client too

L443[11:47:56] <Corosus> might make things simple enough, or im not accounting for everything

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L445[11:56:21] <Corosus> ah damnit i cant even overload the equalling, would have probably broke things horribly if i had the option anyways

L446[11:57:11] <gigaherz> yeah as fun as it would be that the ItemStack class was overridable, it's not the case

L447[11:57:12] <gigaherz> ;P

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L450[12:01:10] <TechnicianLP2> ca an AT remove the final modifier on a class?

L451[12:01:35] <gigaherz> I faintly believe so

L452[12:02:38] <kashike> yes

L453[12:02:41] <barteks2x> I remember adding patch to somethign to amke it possible when forge patches such class, so it's possible

L454[12:02:44] <kashike> public-f, for example

L455[12:02:46] <kashike> -f

L456[12:02:51] <Corosus> neat

L457[12:04:27] <McJty> Note that if a class is final forcing it to be non-final might not always make it possible to override it though

L458[12:04:33] <McJty> As other code may make assumptions on that

L459[12:05:08] <williewillus> what do you mean not always make it possible to override it?

L460[12:05:28] <McJty> Well you can override it

L461[12:05:40] <McJty> But doing so may not work with other code

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L468[12:35:14] <barteks2x> What the hell is wrong with gradle? Sometimes it works just fine, but sometimes it takes close to 1 minute for first line of output to appear, for no visible reason

L469[12:35:48] <gigaherz> I'm starting to question if you really have RAM/HDD problems instead

L470[12:35:53] <gigaherz> and things just randomly fail because of that

L471[12:36:06] <barteks2x> right now, it took half minute. Idea shows that configure build took half munite

L472[12:36:54] <barteks2x> well, I could test my RAM. No idea about HDD, but smart doesn't show anything wrong

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L474[12:38:23] <barteks2x> I will download memtest...

L475[12:39:09] <gigaherz> it's just weird that you seem to experience stuff no one else does :/

L476[12:40:21] <Keridos> how can I strip the NBT Data of an itemstack?

L477[12:40:38] <gigaherz> strip?

L478[12:40:41] <Keridos> yeah remove it

L479[12:40:44] <gigaherz> all of it? even stuff added by other mods?

L480[12:40:50] <williewillus> setNBTTagCompound(null) or something like that

L481[12:40:52] <barteks2x> argh, where is all the USB stuff I had when I need it...

L482[12:40:54] <gigaherz> nah not null

L483[12:41:06] <gigaherz> better to do set..(new NBTTagCompound())

L484[12:41:06] <Keridos> williewillus: it complains about setting null to @NotNull parameter

L485[12:41:20] <gigaherz> null should work

L486[12:41:21] <gigaherz> but meh.

L487[12:41:25] <Keridos> gigaherz: will that cause hasNBTTagCompound to be false?

L488[12:41:50] <gigaherz> no

L489[12:42:20] <williewillus> hasTagCompound is a null check

L490[12:42:32] <Keridos> lets see if null causes an NPE ^^

L491[12:42:41] <williewillus> uh

L492[12:42:48] <williewillus> what exacytly are you trying to solve or do?

L493[12:43:09] <Keridos> its an item from my mod for coyping some nbt data from one TE to another one

L494[12:43:26] <Keridos> I want to clear the storage on shift rightclick in air

L495[12:43:38] <Keridos> or rather shift-rightclick anywhere but that TE

L496[12:44:37] <williewillus> how about getTagCompound().getKeySet().clear()

L497[12:44:44] <Keridos> hm when does onItemRightClick fire?

L498[12:44:53] <williewillus> when you right click while not targeting a block

L499[12:45:00] <Keridos> ah ok thanks

L500[12:45:14] <williewillus> when you're targeting a block it's onItemUse

L501[12:45:15] <Keridos> williewillus: would be nice if hasTagCompound would be false then?

L502[12:45:23] <williewillus> hasTagCompound is purely a null check

L503[12:45:27] <williewillus> why do you need it to be false

L504[12:45:43] <Keridos> I currently use that to determine if it has data

L505[12:46:07] <Ordinastie> just remove the keys you use

L506[12:46:08] <Keridos> should I rather try to see if the NBTTagcompound contains specific keys?

L507[12:46:23] <Ordinastie> if any mods adds some other NBT data, don't delete tehm

L508[12:50:03] <Koward> If entities are saved with their name, what is the point of the ID we give at registration ?

L509[12:50:53] <TechnicianLP2> packets i would think and

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L511[13:00:07] <gigaherz> Keridos:

L512[13:00:10] <gigaherz> I'd have a "Data" key

L513[13:00:14] <gigaherz> and put all the TE stuff inside it

L514[13:00:22] <gigaherz> then just do if .hasTag("Data")

L515[13:00:30] <gigaherz> after the proper nullcheck

L516[13:03:47] <Keridos> gigaherz: how would I make the item always have an nbttgag then?

L517[13:03:54] <Keridos> I know i can do that probably via recipes

L518[13:04:01] <gigaherz> you don't

L519[13:04:06] <gigaherz> there's no need

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L521[13:04:23] <gigaherz> give yourself a helper function

L522[13:04:26] <Keridos> just make if hastagcompound && tagcompound.haskey("data")?

L523[13:04:48] <gigaherz> boolean hasDataStored() { return hasCompound && getTag().hasTag("data") ; }

L524[13:05:09] <gigaherz> NBTTagCompound getDataStored() { return hasCompound ? getTag().getCompoundTag("data") : null; }

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L526[13:05:56] <Keridos> gigaherz: probably need parameters for that but yeah could do that

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L528[13:06:03] <gigaherz> ofc

L529[13:06:07] <gigaherz> this isn't meant to be copypaste

L530[13:11:30] <Keridos> hm, does setTag set an nbttagcompouznd?

L531[13:11:46] <gigaherz> i' musing shortened names

L532[13:12:06] <Keridos> ?

L533[13:12:33] <gigaherz> wait you mean the actual stack.setTagCompound?

L534[13:12:59] <gigaherz> I realized I never actually wrote the pseudocode for the set function, so there was no "setTag" in my two examples ;P

L535[13:13:03] <Keridos> yes

L536[13:13:13] <gigaherz> yes, it sets a compound

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L538[13:13:33] <Keridos> i have a set function that sets the nbttagcompound if not created already. but does setTag("data",nbtTagCompound) work?

L539[13:15:02] <gigaherz> it works for any tag type

L540[13:15:05] <gigaherz> compounds or otherwise

L541[13:15:17] <gigaherz> you could use it to at an NBTTagInt

L542[13:15:25] <gigaherz> or anything else

L543[13:15:37] <gigaherz> it's just preferred that you use the actual functions whenever possible

L544[13:17:25] <Keridos> ah ok, was just confused because getTagCompound and no setTagCompound

L545[13:17:45] <Keridos> I usually use the available function wherever possible

L546[13:17:54] <gigaherz> getTagCompound is just getTag with a cast

L547[13:18:08] <Keridos> it has just been a while since I wrote other NBT stuff

L548[13:22:56] <Keridos> thanks for the help

L549[13:22:59] <Keridos> works fine now :)

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L554[13:45:33] <electrolitic> I'm happy with it being in java (since it's all I have any knowledge about), but is it possible or likely at all that minecraft and modding will move to another language?

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L556[13:46:05] <AshIndigo_> Well there's win10 edition

L557[13:46:34] <gigaherz> mojang is developing a plugin api for the mcpe/win10 editions

L558[13:46:35] <AshIndigo_> But modding isn't coming to that anytime soon

L559[13:46:41] <gigaherz> but it's not quite modding

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L561[13:47:04] <electrolitic> Alright

L562[13:47:30] <AshIndigo_> Do you mean the add-on systen?

L563[13:47:32] <electrolitic> And that's C++?

L564[13:48:05] <tterrag> gigaherz: it's absolutely modding

L565[13:48:14] <tterrag> maybe not with the capabilities that we have currently, but it's definitely "modding"

L566[13:48:20] <tterrag> electrolitic: it's C#

L567[13:48:26] <electrolitic> Oh.

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L570[13:54:58] <KnightMiner> Is there a version of the optional before or after tag that has no order request? As in, if X mod is loaded, make sure it uses at least Y version, but load in any order

L571[13:57:22] <tterrag> no

L572[13:57:25] <tterrag> kinda pointless

L573[13:57:27] <tterrag> just use after:

L574[13:58:17] <gigaherz> I believe before: and after: don't enforce version, either

L575[13:58:26] <gigaherz> you need required-* for version checking to work IIRC

L576[13:58:36] <KnightMiner> No, it does version checks

L577[13:59:26] <KnightMiner> The issue is simply avoid potential cycle errors, becuase since we added that tag in Tinkers there have been several loading order errors being reported

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L588[14:22:04] <tterrag> gigaherz: false

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L590[14:22:27] <acterhd> Hello

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L592[14:25:22] <acterhd> Where I can found all rendering API in Minecraft Forge? I want try make OptiX mod for Minecraft.

L593[14:31:37] <acterhd> But needs C++ support too, so if possible, tip how to embed C++ natives to mc forge mod

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L596[14:41:02] <TechnicianLP2> acter: look on how to bind native code code in java IF you really want to use C ... but it still requires java knowledge to integrate it with forge

L597[14:41:20] <TechnicianLP2> and i dont know if you can call back into java code

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L599[14:42:32] <williewillus> you can but you pay dearly in performance

L600[14:42:55] <williewillus> any native code access from java better be well worth the enormous overhead and portability loss

L601[14:43:54] <TechnicianLP2> rendering api in minecraft is brought to you by lwjgl

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L604[14:50:29] <acterhd> I think bind header of OptiX to Java, I know both languages

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L607[15:04:26] <barteks2x> ... why I always have those weird issues noone else has. jmh gradle plugin just stopped working for no reason

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L615[15:19:58] <tterrag> barteks2x: oh neat, they updated the private leaderboard system

L616[15:20:02] <tterrag> I can now choose an ordering type

L617[15:20:37] <barteks2x> I guess you will now choose the one in which you are first :D

L618[15:20:40] <tterrag> so now it counts how quickly you got to each star, not just the most recent one

L619[15:20:43] <tterrag> nah this way is the default

L620[15:20:45] <tterrag> it makes the most sense

L621[15:20:50] <tterrag> ties being broken by only the last star was weird

L622[15:21:04] <tterrag> if it makes you feel better, it's still quite close :D

L623[15:21:17] <barteks2x> only because I missed a few days

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L625[15:21:55] <tterrag> well, you have the advantage if you are in an earlier timezone. they are getting difficult enough (and it's finals week) that I can no longer do them at midnight

L626[15:25:34] <barteks2x> that's the reason I don't like when things are time-based and different timezones are involved

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L629[15:28:26] <barteks2x> wtf gradle? How does it manage to eat 5.7GB RAM by itself?

L630[15:29:04] <tterrag> blame FG

L631[15:29:18] <barteks2x> it's without running setupDecompWorkspace

L632[15:29:31] <LexDesktop> that's.. odd

L633[15:29:43] <LexDesktop> even during decompile mine only peaks at ~2.5GB

L634[15:30:00] <barteks2x> and I have it set to max 3GB

L635[15:30:11] <barteks2x> and I noticed only because my OS started swapping

L636[15:33:15] <barteks2x> I guess there is some memory leak when running a few tasks at once (I ran gradlew clean licenseFormat build jmh, by the time it got to jmh the OS started swapping)

L637[15:33:34] <tterrag> lex: it does vary, but the rangemap section requires a ludicrous amount of memory either way

L638[15:33:45] <LexDesktop> yes yes it does

L639[15:33:56] <tterrag> still not sure why it needs so much

L640[15:34:05] <LexDesktop> not much i can do about that, thats on eclipse's compilers side.

L641[15:34:25] <tterrag> FG uses eclipse's compiler?

L642[15:34:32] <barteks2x> why eclipse compiler?

L643[15:35:31] <LexDesktop> Because its the only one we could find to parse the java syntax correctly.

L644[15:36:02] <LexDesktop> RangeExtractor uses it. If you have better solutions im all for it, the task is fairly modular.

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L646[15:46:03] <barteks2x> java performance is weird... jmh shows that in one benchmark second warmup iteration is faster than all other iterations (4.6-4.7 ops/ms vs 4.9-5.1 ops/ms)

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L648[15:48:18] <Shambling> lol, so note to anyone thinking of trying to run minecraft on another computer on windows 10, don't forget to turn quickedit and insert mode off on console window

L649[15:48:31] <Shambling> thought my firewall was going crazy, was just minecraft window losing focus

L650[15:48:48] <barteks2x> that "feature" is very annoying, I got that issue when makint local terraria server once

L651[15:49:02] <barteks2x> Took me 2 days to find and "fix"

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L653[15:49:34] <Shambling> yeah, good thing I remembered it before going insane

L654[15:49:42] <Shambling> then I'm out at the shop, and the new server goes to sleep

L655[15:49:59] <Shambling> can you tell me how the hell a computer can go to sleep with an active task running in background. work... feature... ever

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L657[15:50:04] <Shambling> *worst

L658[15:50:32] <Shambling> was thinking of just keeping windows 10 on it, but apparently the new update comes with some questionable firewall settings out of the box

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L660[15:52:25] <LexDesktop> MS is really throwing in the towel on giving users any choice in their OS anymore.

L661[15:52:29] <LexDesktop> Its rather fucking annoying.

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L665[16:00:29] <tterrag> I'll be on w7 until they pry it from my cold dead harddrive

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L669[16:06:06] <gigaherz> how do you run forge dev with the Test mods enabled?

L670[16:06:46] <LexDesktop> they are already, as long as they are in your classpath

L671[16:07:01] <diesieben07> in intellij you have to mark src/test/java as a source folder

L672[16:07:28] <gigaherz> I see

L673[16:07:53] <gigaherz> and strange, when I used eclipse, they never seemed to be... maybe I was doing something wrong

L674[16:22:43] <gigaherz> Meh, if I make all the files in src\tests\ be code, it fails to compile

L675[16:23:12] <barteks2x> I would never expect JMV to do this kind of optimization... but apparently it can do that. It can optimize out my caching if it notices that it's faster to recalculate result.

L676[16:24:08] <barteks2x> *JVM

L677[16:24:35] <barteks2x> but that seems to work only if I use primitive types

L678[16:25:20] <diesieben07> you have no idea how smart C2 is :P

L679[16:26:53] <barteks2x> I tried to benchmark my HashCache I use for noise generators. And I made sure that I use the cache in such a way that there are no cache misses. And yet when I removed BlackHole.consumeCPU call from calculateValue the primitive only implementation became 2x faster

L680[16:27:32] <barteks2x> even when it never actually used the calculateValue method

L681[16:27:40] <barteks2x> at least not after warmup

L682[16:29:42] <barteks2x> And actually the non-primitive version turned out to be faster when I create new instance to store the key in cache instead of storing the key directly

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L684[16:42:57] <acterhd> Oh... C++ headers by hears not possible use with Java

L685[16:43:12] <acterhd> only dll or cpp files

L686[16:44:18] <gigaherz> not .cpp either

L687[16:44:27] <gigaherz> the only way to communicate C++ code with java

L688[16:44:30] <gigaherz> is through JNI

L689[16:45:02] <gigaherz> you'd have to make a special DLL that implement the JNI system and can provide a special java object with methods that run C++ code.

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L691[16:49:41] <LexDesktop> Why do you want this?

L692[16:50:05] <LexDesktop> I mean I guess it'd be a fun project to learn/try out. But it's not gunna be of use to anyone outside yourself.

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L703[17:33:30] <acterhd> I not found in Intelij options for JNI

L704[17:37:34] <diesieben07> you have to set the java.library.path system property afaik

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L706[17:37:42] <diesieben07> and then use System.loadLibrary to link it or something

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L709[17:45:10] <Keridos> is there a way to access the minecraftserver username cache in offline mode?

L710[17:45:19] <Keridos> it is not avaialabel at MinecraftServer anymore

L711[17:46:35] <acterhd> I mean generate headers

L712[17:47:24] <gigaherz> do it from cmdline

L713[17:47:31] <gigaherz> using the "javah" tool

L714[17:47:35] <gigaherz> https://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/ehchua/programming/java/JavaNativeInterface.html

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L716[17:50:22] <tterrag> Keridos: just use UsernameCache ?

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L718[17:50:50] <Keridos> yeah

L719[17:51:00] <Keridos> had to figure out how to loop through that, think i got it now

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L731[18:34:59] <LexDesktop> Anyone remember what block it was in 1.7.10 that would pickup items before they spawned?

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L733[18:36:12] <gigaherz> you mean like a vacuum hopper type thing?

L734[18:36:25] <gigaherz> although I think the vacuum hopper itself just sucked didn't pick up instantly

L735[18:37:29] <gigaherz> gah no I don't remember -- I have some fuzzy memory of such a thing, but I can't remember the name or even which mod

L736[18:37:42] <LexDesktop> ya like that, but instant... i remember there was somehting that existed...

L737[18:38:06] <LexDesktop> setting up a farm that is going to go really fast and dont want to spam my world with item entities

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L739[18:40:43] <gigaherz> hmmm the item collector from random things, was it a thing in 1.7.10?

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L741[18:41:25] <barteks2x> someone I know replied: "oh its called a world interaction upgrade for item transfer nodes from extra utilities"

L742[18:41:31] <gigaherz> ah that too!

L743[18:41:43] <gigaherz> item transfer node with world interaction upgrades

L744[18:41:49] <gigaherz> the more upgrades the bigger the range

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L747[18:42:20] <gigaherz> they don't REALLY pick up the items before they are spawned, though, they just kill the entities in the EntityJoinWorldEvent usually

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L751[18:48:03] <BrainStone> How do I find the correct field name for a access transformer?

L752[18:48:19] <BrainStone> The fieldname appears several times in the fields.csv

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L756[18:56:35] <LexDesktop> use the bot

L757[18:56:51] <gigaherz> BrainStone: open a pm window with MCPBot_Reborn, and type !help

L758[18:57:02] <LexDesktop> advanced item collector, thats what it is.

L759[18:57:09] <BrainStone> Thanks @both

L760[18:57:17] <BrainStone> I found it already

L761[18:58:17] <IoP> is MCPBot_Reborn boy or girl?

L762[18:58:34] <BrainStone> Attack helicopter

L763[18:58:48] <gigaherz> IoP: it prefers a gender-neutral pronoun.

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L769[19:04:09] <ThunderSmotch> Hum, weird, "canBlockStay" doesn't seem to be working for a Block that extends BlockCrops

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L773[19:17:17] <Katrix> Question, is there any way to get the amount of sounds that is playing or have played for a certain area on the server side?

L774[19:20:33] <tterrag> no

L775[19:21:07] <ThunderSmotch> Found out what was wrong with canBlockStay, it appears the default PlantType is Plains and not crop, a simple override fixes it

L776[19:27:44] <acterhd> Where I can found all events?

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L778[19:37:37] <ThunderSmotch> is there a way for me to combine two variants in a blockstate JSON ?

L779[19:44:32] <tterrag> combine how

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L781[19:46:59] <ThunderSmotch> like

L782[19:47:10] <ThunderSmotch> imagine i have a crop with two properties

L783[19:47:18] <ThunderSmotch> an int and a boolean

L784[19:47:35] <ThunderSmotch> I would like to setup the textures so that it depends on both properties at the same time

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L802[21:36:34] <VikeStep> am reading the build.gradle file that comes with forge. Why do we want to "copy everything else, thats not the mcmod.info"

L803[21:36:46] <VikeStep> inside processResources

L804[21:41:40] <VikeStep> especially because I thought we do want to have the mcmod.info inside the source directory

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L808[21:48:12] <BrainStone> Both gets copied

L809[21:48:23] <BrainStone> But mcmod.info gets special treatment

L810[21:48:37] <BrainStone> Tokens inside the file get replaced

L811[21:48:47] <VikeStep> what do you mean by "both"?

L812[21:49:01] <BrainStone> All files including the mcmod.info

L813[21:49:35] <BrainStone> "version": "${version}", and "mcversion": "${mcversion}" get replaced with the appropriate values

L814[21:49:54] <VikeStep> so when you modify it, it creates a new file?

L815[21:49:59] <BrainStone> No

L816[21:50:00] <VikeStep> and we copy that over but not the old one?

L817[21:50:45] <BrainStone> When you change your version number and build a jar, the mcmod.info file in the jar will contain the correct version while you never had to touch the mcmod.info file

L818[21:50:54] <BrainStone> Same for the minecraft version

L819[21:50:58] <VikeStep> yeah

L820[21:51:30] <VikeStep> just not sure why it has to be excluded after the modification

L821[21:51:34] <VikeStep> I understand it gets modified

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L823[21:51:41] <BrainStone> It's not excluded

L824[21:51:51] <VikeStep> from(sourceSets.main.resources.srcDirs) {

L825[21:51:51] <VikeStep> exclude 'mcmod.info'

L826[21:51:51] <VikeStep> }

L827[21:51:55] <VikeStep> isn't that excluding it?

L828[21:52:10] <BrainStone> from(sourceSets.main.resources.srcDirs) {

L829[21:52:22] <BrainStone> include "mcmod.info"

L830[21:52:26] <BrainStone> // replace version and mcversion

L831[21:52:29] <BrainStone> expand "version": project.version, "mcversion": project.minecraft.version

L832[21:52:33] <BrainStone> }

L833[21:52:37] <VikeStep> yeah

L834[21:52:38] <BrainStone> And there it is included

L835[21:52:44] <VikeStep> but its included and then excluded?

L836[21:52:50] <BrainStone> Nope

L837[21:52:59] <BrainStone> the from blocks are separte

L838[21:53:01] <VikeStep> hmmm, maybe it's just my lack of gradle knowledge

L839[21:53:06] <BrainStone> They specify which files to copy

L840[21:53:37] <BrainStone> first block says: Copy everything from "sourceSets.main.resources.srcDirs" that matches "mcmod.info"

L841[21:53:58] <VikeStep> I see

L842[21:54:06] <VikeStep> makes sense

L843[21:54:06] <BrainStone> The second block says: Copy everything from "sourceSets.main.resources.srcDirs" that does not match "mcmod.info"

L844[21:54:23] <BrainStone> In short every file gets copy. Only mcmod.info recieves a special treatment

L845[21:54:56] <VikeStep> I was just getting hung up on why we were explicitly including something when it seems to implicitly do it otherwise

L846[21:55:11] <VikeStep> but I see now, thanks

L847[21:55:15] <BrainStone> Alriht

L848[21:55:20] <BrainStone> Glad I could help

L849[21:56:21] <BrainStone> Quality generation xD http://puu.sh/sLkPv/4706bdba34.png

L850[22:10:20] <VikeStep> also, is there any particular reason the default sourceCompatibility is Java 1.6?

L851[22:10:42] <barteks2x> because java (1.)6 is what Minecraft uses

L852[22:10:43] <VikeStep> just noticed it was a change from 2 months ago. Didn't see an explanation. Might be a reason I'm not aware of

L853[22:11:18] <barteks2x> at least, that the oldest verison it's compatible with. Launcher uses java 8

L854[22:12:46] <barteks2x> I'm actually confused if it should be java 6 or 1.6

L855[22:13:07] <VikeStep> Java 6 is JDK 1.6

L856[22:13:14] <VikeStep> my mistake for incorrect workding

L857[22:13:16] <LexDesktop> they are interchangeable

L858[22:13:33] <LexDesktop> as there is no java 2.0+ people usually just drop the 1

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L860[22:14:01] <LexDesktop> And there will probably never be as that would be when they break backwards compatibility with standard apps

L861[22:14:09] <LexDesktop> 1.9 is gunna be interesting tho as it does

L862[22:15:32] <barteks2x> Based on what I already read about it, I don't imagine how mods would ever work with that

L863[22:15:55] <VikeStep> haven't read up on it, what would change to make it not work?

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L865[22:18:24] <barteks2x> or I just had inaccurate sources, but if I understood it right a lot of reflection hacks won't work anymore

L866[22:19:26] <LexDesktop> they changed how the classpath works

L867[22:19:34] <LexDesktop> notibly that it no longer exists as we know it

L868[22:20:00] <LexDesktop> its a big pain, its designed for distribuited computing and turns everything into modules

L869[22:20:18] <LexDesktop> I dont see MC Modding working on J9 without a major re-write

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L873[22:47:26] <VikeStep> if we have useMetadata as true in the @Mod annotation, does it mean we still need a modid parameter?

L874[22:48:00] <LexDesktop> yes

L875[22:57:27] <VikeStep> is there a list of parameters it can pull from the mcmod.info?

L876[22:58:10] <RANKSHANK> if you check the modmetadata obtainable from the preinit event you'll see all that it can store

L877[22:58:25] <VikeStep> gotcha

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L881[23:47:05] <VikeStep> it doesn't seem that useMetadata overrides version

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L883[23:49:59] <VikeStep> well, actually, I should say that it doesn't work if you set the version inside the PreInitializationEvent

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L885[23:51:31] <RANKSHANK> it works if you set autogenerated to false

L886[23:51:43] <VikeStep> ah

L887[23:51:44] <RANKSHANK> I dunno if that forgoes the modinfo file though

L888[23:53:01] <VikeStep> I think it's because there are two different versions?

L889[23:53:10] <VikeStep> there seems to be something called an "internal version"

L890[23:53:20] <VikeStep> it gets set to 1.0 when it is missing from mcmod.info

L891[23:53:43] <VikeStep> sorry, when it is missing from @Mod

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L893[23:54:48] <RANKSHANK> sounds like a sensible thing then... mod version would be set fairly early on

L894[23:55:26] <VikeStep> the existence of both shows the version twice

L895[23:55:39] <VikeStep> hmm, I'm being pedantic :P

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L897[23:56:10] <RANKSHANK> artifacts of bad modding practices then :P