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L18[01:10:12] <Subaraki> !gf skinMap

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L20[01:12:45] <Subaraki> for the reflectionhelper, for finding a field, both obfuscated and unobfuscated names must be given right ?

L21[01:13:13] <Ordinastie> yes

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L42[02:28:38] <Subaraki> !gflayerRenderers

L43[02:28:44] <Subaraki> !gf layerRenderers

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L47[03:01:56] <Subaraki> attempts at replacing the player renderer

L48[03:01:56] <Subaraki> http://i.imgur.com/ftDOzQE.png

L49[03:02:01] <Subaraki> utter failing x)

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L54[03:22:09] <Subaraki> can't figure out why the layers would be rendering small and not following the player's movements o.O

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L57[03:28:04] <Lordmau5> What's the current good Forge version to be on for 1.10.2 modding?

L58[03:28:51] <gigaherz> laterst, as usual ;P

L59[03:28:54] <gigaherz> -r

L60[03:29:01] <Lordmau5> alrighty

L61[03:29:10] <Lordmau5> Just making sure :P

L62[03:31:02] <Lordmau5> Hmm.. is there any way to figure out if a block is a full cube?

L63[03:31:11] <Lordmau5> because it seems "isSideSolid" isn't really true for glass :P

L64[03:31:24] <Lordmau5> and I'd really need a check for that... full block as fallabck

L65[03:31:26] <Lordmau5> fallback *

L66[03:34:45] <MalkContent> can mobs spawn on hoppers?

L67[03:37:34] <Subaraki> no clue MalkContent

L68[03:37:41] <Subaraki> Lordmau5, isOpaque ?

L69[03:37:49] <Lordmau5> what about glass?

L70[03:37:59] <Subaraki> check torches

L71[03:38:17] <Lordmau5> Torches can't be placed on the side of a glass, despite it being a "fully filled side", compared to the side of a slab

L72[03:38:24] <gigaherz> mobs can't spawn on glass, no

L73[03:38:26] <Lordmau5> of a glass?... of glass*

L74[03:38:35] <Lordmau5> hoppers, gigaherz

L75[03:38:37] <Lordmau5> not glass :P

L76[03:38:41] <gigaherz> no idea hoppers, I don't think it has eom up in any of the videos I have watched

L77[03:38:50] <gigaherz> come up*

L78[03:41:03] <Subaraki> gigaherz, where is the best place to hook into some vanilla code for the rendermanager ?

L79[03:41:20] <Subaraki> trying to substitute the skinMap, the map that indexes the player renderers

L80[03:42:07] <Subaraki> pre init throws erros and a crash

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L82[03:42:21] <Subaraki> init doesn't allow me to properly copy the render layers

L83[03:42:28] <Subaraki> or properly replace it

L84[03:42:34] <Subaraki> same for pos

L85[03:42:36] <Subaraki> t

L86[03:44:16] <gigaherz> no idea

L87[03:44:28] <IoP> I have interesting log for you: https://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/hermitcraft-ftb-crashing-when-trying-to-join-server-and-create-single-player-world.193806/#post-1778622 and https://www.curseforge.com/paste/9ee9ff61

L88[03:44:41] <gigaherz> see where mc initializes it, and find the nearest event after that ;P

L89[03:45:14] <IoP> user tried both SSP and SMP in the log which is in curseforge => for some reason server thread prints nothing to the log

L90[03:45:48] <IoP> only error they are seeing is http://i.imgur.com/IolkU3c.png

L91[03:46:19] <gigaherz> wat

L92[03:46:27] <gigaherz> how can you "join a server and create a singleplyer world"

L93[03:46:58] <IoP> umm he pressed the button and tried second method after first.

L94[03:47:09] <gigaherz> OH so

L95[03:47:14] <gigaherz> crashing in BOTH situations

L96[03:47:47] <IoP> well something catches to Exception and does not bother to log it

L97[03:49:05] <IoP> probably once again antivirus acting with some mods but not with all. Honestly that situation should log something.

L98[03:51:53] <gigaherz> I concur with the last reply on the thread. "I don't see any crash in that log. What actually happens? "

L99[03:51:54] <gigaherz> ;P

L100[03:52:44] <IoP> I was talking yesterday with the guy who gave log in curse's paste site

L101[03:52:55] <IoP> I just shows the error in GUI

L102[03:53:58] <gigaherz> which error?

L103[03:54:34] <IoP> http://i.imgur.com/IolkU3c.png

L104[03:55:44] <gigaherz> ah so it's not a crash per se

L105[03:56:02] <gigaherz> it's a network thread exception

L106[03:56:22] <IoP> yeah like I said "something catches to Exception and does not bother to log it"

L107[03:57:08] <gigaherz> yeah but something just catching an exception wouldn't result in a disconnection

L108[03:57:15] <gigaherz> it has to be on the network thread

L109[03:57:24] <gigaherz> causing it to fail to encode a packet or something

L110[03:59:13] <IoP> But should it at least do some logging from server thread?

L111[03:59:43] <gigaherz> I guess

L112[03:59:56] <IoP> e.g. LOGGER.info("Starting integrated minecraft server version 1.10.2");

L113[04:03:45] <IoP> oh wait. That's goes into latest.log

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L118[04:31:30] <Ordinastie> hum what ?

L119[04:33:02] <Subaraki> ikr

L120[04:33:20] <Subaraki> or an event that launches straight after initializing the rendering for entities

L121[04:36:01] <Subaraki> so, replacing the player renderers in post or init resets the render layer list

L122[04:36:07] <Subaraki> (because of new instance)

L123[04:36:40] <Subaraki> so i copy the layer list over

L124[04:36:43] <Subaraki> but then this happens :

L125[04:36:43] <Subaraki> http://i.imgur.com/ftDOzQE.png

L126[04:37:44] <Ordinastie> you shouldn't need to replace the renderers anyway

L127[04:38:42] <Subaraki> I was thinkering with the layers before, but as the player renderer is the same for everyone, activating fshion on yor client would show it for everyone

L128[04:39:11] <Ordinastie> because you're doing it wrong

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L130[04:39:36] <Ordinastie> clients should know about each player setting

L131[04:40:01] <Subaraki> i did that

L132[04:40:08] <Subaraki> packets and such, right ?

L133[04:40:30] <Ordinastie> then you did it wrong

L134[04:40:35] <Subaraki> th eproblem is the fashion layers have to render, and nothing else

L135[04:40:44] <Subaraki> if it was just a layer to render, it would be no problem

L136[04:41:21] <Subaraki> editing the layer list, removign layers, or adding back some, changes it for every player, as the renderer is global. not every player has a unique renderer

L137[04:42:37] <Subaraki> (thats client side offcourse)

L138[04:42:45] <Subaraki> the data is getting exchanged correctly

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L141[04:52:54] <Subaraki> so, the last alternative for me that is left is substitute the renderer by a class that extends renderplayer

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L144[05:11:04] <Ordinastie> ffs, mega.nz is probably the shittiest site ever :x

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L146[05:20:24] <Subaraki> i'm still puzzled as to why layers get halfed in size when moving them from list o.O

L147[05:21:09] <Subaraki> and i cannot re-instantiate them, because they have various contstructors

L148[05:22:12] <Ordinastie> like I said, don't replace the renderer

L149[05:22:59] <Subaraki> then how would i render switch between layers then Ordinastie ? :/

L150[05:23:34] <Subaraki> or render all the other layers invisible ?

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L152[05:26:16] <Subaraki> i add a renderer to the skinmap ? and switch renders when fashion is active ?

L153[05:32:10] <AshIndigo> There's a method in ForgeModContainer called updateNag

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L162[06:06:57] <Subaraki> ?

L163[06:07:02] <Subaraki> AshIndigo

L164[06:07:03] <Subaraki> ?

L165[06:07:21] <AshIndigo> Just a fun thing I noticed and decided to point it out

L166[06:09:39] <Subaraki> lol

L167[06:09:51] <Subaraki> Ordinastie, I've looked around for alternative ways

L168[06:09:59] <Subaraki> found nothing passable

L169[06:10:09] <Subaraki> what's your opinion on this ?

L170[06:10:27] <Subaraki> or any hints about what you're thinking ?

L171[06:10:57] <Ordinastie> I've never looked at how players are rendered, but I'm pretty sure you can do per player rendering

L172[06:11:02] <Ordinastie> wihtout replacing the renderer

L173[06:12:12] <Subaraki> per player rendering is possible if you add a layer and check for data in there

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L175[06:12:27] <Subaraki> i could add a fashion layer to the player and do my things

L176[06:12:31] <Subaraki> it would work great

L177[06:12:53] <Subaraki> i cannot however deactivate layers without removing them

L178[06:13:00] <Subaraki> let me see if there's anyhting to make layers invisible

L179[06:14:33] <Ordinastie> didn't you have code where you changed the layers based on the cap data ?

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L181[06:16:23] <Subaraki> as I said before, the playerrenderer is global

L182[06:16:36] <Ordinastie> and ?

L183[06:16:48] <Subaraki> changing layers based on the cap therefor affects every player clientside

L184[06:17:00] <Subaraki> if you activate your fashion, other players will show theirs

L185[06:17:09] <Subaraki> which is not the point

L186[06:17:27] <Ordinastie> not if you activate it based on current player data

L187[06:17:38] <Ordinastie> and by current, I mean currently renderered

L188[06:17:51] <Subaraki> 'currently rendered' comes from the same pool

L189[06:17:58] <Ordinastie> what

L190[06:18:21] <Ordinastie> that doesn't mean anything

L191[06:18:23] <Subaraki> event.getrendermanager.getskinmap

L192[06:19:00] <Ordinastie> do you have a per player event ?

L193[06:19:03] <Subaraki> this.playerRenderer = new RenderPlayer(this);

L194[06:19:03] <Subaraki> this.skinMap.put("default", this.playerRenderer);

L195[06:19:03] <Subaraki> this.skinMap.put("slim", new RenderPlayer(this, true));

L196[06:19:19] <Subaraki> there's per player render events

L197[06:19:24] <Subaraki> but their renderer is all the same

L198[06:19:29] <Subaraki> rendermanager only gets initialized once

L199[06:19:35] <Subaraki> not per player

L200[06:19:35] <Ordinastie> ...

L201[06:19:49] <Ordinastie> modify what you need before rendering players

L202[06:19:53] <Ordinastie> it's really not that hard

L203[06:20:00] <Subaraki> i've already done that

L204[06:20:08] <Subaraki> playerrenderevent.pre

L205[06:20:14] <Subaraki> modify layers

L206[06:20:20] <Ordinastie> there you go

L207[06:20:42] <Subaraki> the thing you end up with, which is the problem here, is the list of renderlayers being the same for every player

L208[06:20:57] <Ordinastie> damn you're dense

L209[06:21:20] <Subaraki> what's so hard to understand ? o.O

L210[06:21:22] <Subaraki> ive done that

L211[06:21:27] <Ordinastie> you change it before rendering the player

L212[06:21:34] <Subaraki> debugged to check why the other players just didnt jeep their armor ?

L213[06:21:49] <Subaraki> keep *

L214[06:21:56] <Ordinastie> well, you apparently failed there

L215[06:22:13] <Subaraki> i mean, the packets recieved from other players has the correct data

L216[06:22:21] <Subaraki> meaning player 1 has fashion

L217[06:22:24] <Subaraki> player 2 doesnt

L218[06:22:34] <Subaraki> recieving data from player 2, where fashion is false

L219[06:22:47] <Subaraki> though i'm still seeing the fashion on my end (plaeyr 1)

L220[06:23:02] <Ordinastie> yeah, your code was broken, I get that

L221[06:23:16] <Subaraki> its not broken, the plaeyr renderer only has one instantce

L222[06:23:18] <Ordinastie> I say, fix it instead of doing stupid shit that will break everything for everybody else

L223[06:23:32] <Subaraki> if i remove a layer, no other player that i see on my client will render armor

L224[06:23:36] <Subaraki> because the logic isn't there

L225[06:23:48] <Ordinastie> player has fashion, render with fashion, player doesn't, render without

L226[06:24:15] <Subaraki> that would be doable, if i just add one layer, and not expect other layers to stop rendering

L227[06:25:44] <Ordinastie> there is no reason why this can't work

L228[06:25:54] <Ordinastie> except you're not doing it properly

L229[06:26:16] <Subaraki> I beg to differ.

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L231[06:26:36] <Subaraki> Do me a favor and study the player renderer

L232[06:26:48] <Ordinastie> renderLayers = player.isDoingFashion() ? fashionList : defaultList

L233[06:27:00] <Subaraki> yes, totally possible !

L234[06:28:12] <Ordinastie> sarcasm only works when the statement is wrong

L235[06:28:17] <Subaraki> no really

L236[06:28:24] <Subaraki> that works. i've done that

L237[06:28:29] <Subaraki> it does only show fashion

L238[06:28:37] <Subaraki> or default layers when switched

L239[06:29:38] <Subaraki> the problem here being that the layers are not per-player, but per renderer

L240[06:29:48] <Subaraki> i'm most likely putting my words out wrong

L241[06:29:55] <Ordinastie> you're supposed to change it every time you render a player

L242[06:30:12] <Subaraki> that wouldn't help anything

L243[06:30:17] <Subaraki> i mean

L244[06:30:19] <Subaraki> yes

L245[06:30:25] <Subaraki> like the player render event

L246[06:30:40] <Subaraki> so the player you see gets their stuff rendered

L247[06:30:52] <gigaherz> Subaraki: in RenderPlayer.Pre, check the player entity, backup the layer list, and remove all the layers you don't want

L248[06:30:56] <gigaherz> in .Post, restore it

L249[06:31:14] <gigaherz> or swap the reference, whichever

L250[06:31:39] * gigaherz just came back from the doctor

L251[06:32:26] <gigaherz> dunno why I never thought of that before while helping you >_<

L252[06:32:39] <gigaherz> well yes I do know why: I have a full-time job and it leaves me braindead

L253[06:32:42] <gigaherz> XD

L254[06:33:03] <Ordinastie> yeah, right, blame it on the job :p

L255[06:33:57] <gigaherz> no really, i'm smarter than this

L256[06:34:09] <gigaherz> XD

L257[06:34:19] <Ordinastie> tbh, I wouldn't restore on post

L258[06:34:46] <Ordinastie> unless the layers can be different per player already, then maybe it's necessary

L259[06:35:02] <gigaherz> nah there's one single RenderPlayer, but we don't know what other mods will do or expect

L260[06:35:09] <gigaherz> although for that to work

L261[06:35:16] <gigaherz> we'd need the post events to be applied in the opposite order

L262[06:35:17] <gigaherz> so whatever

L263[06:35:34] <Ordinastie> I mean, it shouldn't matter

L264[06:35:59] <gigaherz> i guess layers aren't normally added/removed in Pre/Post

L265[06:36:00] <Ordinastie> other mods adding layers, that will really depend on post order

L266[06:36:50] <Ordinastie> when is it then?

L267[06:37:27] <gigaherz> Layers are usually added in init, once

L268[06:37:39] <gigaherz> and the layer's doRender just exits early if the drawing isn't needed

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L271[06:45:11] <Subaraki> http://pastebin.com/CaPW2Sfj

L272[06:46:08] <Subaraki> also, gigaherz is right. you add layers in the init phase

L273[06:48:04] <Subaraki> in the client proxy, something like this : http://pastebin.com/ChMGGDbq

L274[06:48:23] <Subaraki> also gigaherz , Ordinastie , is this what you're aiming for ? http://pastebin.com/CaPW2Sfj

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L276[06:50:12] <gigaherz> hmm itm ay be overcomplicated, but I'll ler Odri judge, I don't trust myself right now ;P

L277[06:50:20] <gigaherz> let*

L278[06:52:35] <Ordinastie> I'm pissed

L279[06:52:41] <Ordinastie> they didn't removed the onions on my pizza :x

L280[06:52:59] <PaleoCrafter> because they know what's good for you

L281[06:53:19] <Ordinastie> I'd prefer they know what good for the pizza

L282[06:56:53] <Subaraki> onions on pizza is great :o

L283[06:56:59] <Subaraki> like pineaple and cheese :)

L284[07:00:44] <gigaherz> onion is meh

L285[07:00:47] <gigaherz> caramelized onion is :3

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L289[07:06:18] <Ordinastie> I'm also pissed because nowadays, it's nigh impossible to find good pizza places that are not halal :x

L290[07:06:21] <PitchBright> o/

L291[07:07:42] <Subaraki> stupid religions, they ruined peace !

L292[07:08:31] <Ordinastie> that's their primary purpose so....

L293[07:10:09] <Subaraki> fighting over a piece of meat ? religion has come a far way ...

L294[07:10:17] <Subaraki> but lets change the subject

L295[07:10:28] <Subaraki> lets not talk politics and religion

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L300[07:12:45] <Subaraki> http://i.imgur.com/oF4V3LW.png

L301[07:12:46] <Subaraki> <_<

L302[07:12:54] <Subaraki> that dupe wasn't there before

L303[07:14:38] <wundr|school> TIL that AM and FM radio modify the sine wave's amplitude and frequency, respectively, to get to a station

L304[07:16:01] <PaleoCrafter> really? I always thought it was ante meridiem and fuckde meridiem

L305[07:17:47] <wundr|school> Idrk about the naming, I just know that they change the A and B values of the sinusoidal equation

L306[07:18:09] <Ordinastie> Amplitude/Frenquency Modulation IIRC

L307[07:18:40] <PaleoCrafter> no, ante meridiem and fuckde meridiem :P

L308[07:19:33] <wundr|school> Ordi's right

L309[07:19:49] <wundr|school> Google doesn't even get results for "fuckde meridiem"

L310[07:19:52] <wundr|school> Lol

L311[07:20:14] <PaleoCrafter> it's not like I was joking

L312[07:20:29] <wundr|school> Ikik just found it funny that google didnt pull anything up

L313[07:20:39] <PaleoCrafter> why would it? :P

L314[07:21:26] <PaleoCrafter> I could have gone to some length and make it an actually valid Latin word, but meh :P

L315[07:21:45] <Ordinastie> because even when you say bullshit, you have to make sense

L316[07:23:08] <wundr|school> ^

L317[07:23:10] <PaleoCrafter> Wiktionary doesn't come up with any prepositions that require an accusative

L318[07:23:56] * wundr|school makes no sense of that

L319[07:24:01] <PaleoCrafter> could make it an AcI

L320[07:26:08] * wundr|school really wants to tell bad math jokes

L321[07:26:21] <Ordinastie> I wouldn't count on it

L322[07:26:36] <wundr|school> Ba dum tss

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L325[07:28:34] <PaleoCrafter> just let WA do it for you:

L326[07:28:35] <PaleoCrafter> Q: What is lavender and commutes? A: An Abelian semigrape.

L327[07:28:47] <wundr|school> WA?

L328[07:29:08] <Ordinastie> PaleoCrafter, I don't get it ><

L329[07:29:12] <wundr|school> ^

L330[07:29:25] <PaleoCrafter> WA: Wolfram Alpha

L331[07:29:30] <wundr|school> O

L332[07:29:30] <PaleoCrafter> and I suppose it's a pun on semigroup :P

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L334[07:30:03] <wundr|school> I heard a mole talk once. They said, "6.1*10^-11" or something like that

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L337[07:31:00] <PaleoCrafter> I think's its 6.02*10^-23 :P

L338[07:31:10] <wundr|school> Idr :P

L339[07:32:09] <wundr|school> Two scientists walk into a bar. One says "I'll have some H2O" and before the other could speak, the bartender gave them each hydrogen peroxide saying "I'm sick of this joke"

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L341[07:35:15] <wundr|school> Whelp I'd love to stay and chat but I've classes to pretend to be paying attention in

L342[07:35:18] <wundr|school> Ciao!~

L343[07:35:23] <ScottehBoeh> Don't know what to make :(

L344[07:35:44] <AshIndigo> I dont know what to do now

L345[07:36:05] <ScottehBoeh> Anyone else bored, who just wish there was some huge project they could do

L346[07:36:18] <wundr|school> ScottehBoeh: PM me

L347[07:36:35] <AshIndigo> I finished mine :/

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L352[07:41:12] <PitchBright> lol

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L354[07:42:36] <PitchBright> AshIndigo: come work with me on my thing :D

L355[07:44:37] <AshIndigo> :/

L356[07:45:19] <PitchBright> that is, if you're finished your project, and looking for something to do xD

L357[07:45:48] <AshIndigo> I kinda want people to break if

L358[07:45:50] <AshIndigo> *it

L359[07:46:08] <PitchBright> oh it needs testing still?

L360[07:46:24] <AshIndigo> I'm pretty sure it won't break in media fly

L361[07:46:26] <AshIndigo> Oops

L362[07:46:33] <ScottehBoeh> I feel so bad for Diesieben xD Leaving him with all this work :S

L363[07:46:34] <AshIndigo> Immediately

L364[07:47:08] <PitchBright> Diesie's a rockstar, he can handle it ;)

L365[07:47:22] <ScottehBoeh> He is, but he wants me to try and find people who want to help out

L366[07:47:35] <ScottehBoeh> Seeing as he's working on a whole matchmaking system AND Menu GUI's

L367[07:47:38] <PitchBright> ya, he was scoutin' folks the other day

L368[07:47:49] <PitchBright> he said the stuff you guys were working on, is pretty intense

L369[07:47:51] <ScottehBoeh> Do you know anyone who would probably be available?

L370[07:48:08] <ScottehBoeh> Yeah, its an insane project. a Total conversion of the game.

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L372[07:48:26] <PitchBright> I don't, know. Sorry. I'm in the same boat. I need my own rockstar.

L373[07:48:33] <PitchBright> no*

L374[07:49:49] <PitchBright> when you're done with Diesi... send him to me :D Some of the stuff you guys are doing, I need to do with my thing.

L375[07:50:34] <Subaraki> so all i had to dowas just reset the list after rendering the player

L376[07:50:37] <Subaraki> greeeeeeaaaaat

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L378[07:50:43] <Subaraki> thanks Ordinastie

L379[07:50:43] <PitchBright> xD

L380[07:50:47] <Subaraki> sorry for being dense

L381[07:50:47] <AshIndigo> Psst Subaraki does your GUI tabs PR support custom icons for the tabs?

L382[07:50:51] <PitchBright> how's it goin' now, Subs?

L383[07:51:01] <Subaraki> yes AshIndigo, ItemStacks or ResLocs

L384[07:51:09] <Subaraki> pretty fine today :)

L385[07:51:12] <AshIndigo> OK thanks

L386[07:51:12] <PitchBright> right on

L387[07:51:13] <Subaraki> my mod is turning out great

L388[07:51:19] <Subaraki> going to work some more on the tabs now

L389[07:55:45] <Subaraki> why AshIndigo ?

L390[07:56:02] <AshIndigo> Wondering (and hoping it gets merged)

L391[07:56:51] <AshIndigo> Though when I implement it I should probably add a failsafe for older forge versions

L392[07:58:20] <AshIndigo> Dang my phones at 8%

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L394[07:59:39] <AshIndigo> Do you guys use that mmd server thing?

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L396[08:03:35] <Subaraki> I hope it gets merged as well ...

L397[08:03:57] <Subaraki> i'm concidering removing other container addition support apart for the player inventory ...

L398[08:04:05] <Subaraki> people nag a lot about it, saying it won't do its job

L399[08:05:06] <PaleoCrafter> heh, just joined a game in Overwatch and the team's defeated before I'm even able to choose a hero xD

L400[08:06:05] <Ordinastie> because they know how helpful you are :p

L401[08:08:22] <Subaraki> what ? how does that work o.O ?

L402[08:08:40] <PaleoCrafter> I joined a game that was already running

L403[08:09:00] <PaleoCrafter> apparently somebody left just before they lost and I got the spot

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L405[08:11:36] <Subaraki> rofl

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L422[09:19:58] <wundr|school> Idk if it's a bug or not, but I found something SUPER annoying in forge

L423[09:21:05] <AshIndigo> What is it?

L424[09:21:24] <wundr|school> TickUpdateEvent has a value for the world tick value, like Minecraft.getMinecraft.theWorld does, but if you have a println for the value whenever the TUE is triggered, the value changes without any pattern

L425[09:23:42] <wundr|school> So I try not to use MC.getMC much, but TUE isn't reliable for determining every 3rd tick

L426[09:29:24] <Ordinastie> Minecraft doesn't exist on dedicated servers anyway

L427[09:30:17] <Ordinastie> I don't know what you're trying to do, but if you need to do something every 3 ticks, you should already have access to a world anyway

L428[09:30:35] <wundr|school> How so?

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L430[09:44:59] <barteks2x> ok, I'm confused. does BlockPos.getAllInBox(startPos, endPos) include endPos?

L431[09:45:16] <Ordinastie> check the implementation?

L432[09:45:22] <barteks2x> It's confusing

L433[09:45:49] <barteks2x> according to what I understood, it does, but debugger seems to say no

L434[09:46:38] <barteks2x> some documentation on minecraft methods would be really useful...

L435[09:47:14] <Ordinastie> you're free to write them

L436[09:47:28] <barteks2x> um... how?

L437[09:47:40] <Ordinastie> MCP

L438[09:47:46] <Ordinastie> *bot

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L440[09:48:12] <barteks2x> is it really allowed even when the method/field is already named?

L441[09:48:28] <Ordinastie> not sure

L442[09:48:42] <kenzierocks> yes

L443[09:48:47] <kenzierocks> you just use the same name

L444[09:49:08] <kenzierocks> the only problem is if it has been locked -- then you need to make an issue

L445[09:50:01] <barteks2x> and as I understand locked names are when changing them could break too many things, right?

L446[09:50:18] <kenzierocks> kinda? i don't really know

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L477[11:44:51] <ScottehBoeh> Can you obfuscate a mod using gradle?

L478[11:45:04] <ScottehBoeh> During the build process, I mean.

L479[11:45:12] <Ordinastie> that's what build does

L480[11:45:22] <ScottehBoeh> I know it builds the jar, compiles the mod

L481[11:45:43] <ScottehBoeh> But is there a method to have gradle rename the folders/classes

L482[11:45:46] <Ordinastie> no, it compile, obfuscate and reobf

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L484[11:56:07] <Unh0ly_Tigg> Does anyone have any code I can look at, for fluid capability useage and implementation for tile entities?

L485[11:56:24] <PaleoCrafter> you can set up proguard, ScottehBoeh

L486[11:57:38] <Ordinastie> wait, by obfuscate you meant being a dick trying to prevent people to decompile your mod?

L487[11:57:42] <PaleoCrafter> ^

L488[11:57:47] <PaleoCrafter> obfuscation is a dick move

L489[12:01:09] <LexManos> ScottehBoeh, What are you doing?

L490[12:02:58] <MalkContent> maybe new to this thing and concerned with protection of his work so nobody steals it. or selling access to mods on a server and doesn't want people to decompile the thing. a heck, why not both.

L491[12:03:43] <LexManos> Don't speculate, Ask.

L492[12:04:05] <MalkContent> ScottehBoeh: why tho.

L493[12:04:09] <LexManos> He could just be talking about obfusicating to srg names.

L494[12:04:33] <MalkContent> fair enough

L495[12:04:40] <Ordinastie> that was my first hopeful and naive interpretation

L496[12:05:26] <MalkContent> my faith in humanity is a bit weathered atm, please forgive my being presumptuous

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L498[12:22:54] <ScottehBoeh> I've seen the process done on CounterCraft

L499[12:23:08] <ScottehBoeh> where, uppon opening the .jar, you're faced with folders named "a, b, e, o" same with Classes

L500[12:23:17] <ScottehBoeh> Maybe it's a 3rd party process. hmmm

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L504[12:31:05] <PaleoCrafter> as I said, ProGuard can do it, ScottehBoeh, but it's a terrible dick move :P

L505[12:31:06] <LexManos> Thats called obfusication yes, and its a shit thing to do. You will not get any help here doing something that is anti-community and anti-cooperation.

L506[12:31:48] <AshIndigo> I'm with paleo and lex here

L507[12:32:16] * Ordinastie thinks we should let lex loose in mojang's quarters

L508[12:32:25] <LexManos> Thats a different story

L509[12:32:37] <LexManos> They have every right to obfusicate, they are a for profit busniess.

L510[12:32:43] <jordibenck> anyone could help me out setting up github?

L511[12:32:49] <LexManos> I think its dumb but its fine.

L512[12:33:25] <ScottehBoeh> The main reason I want to is to prevent somewhat malicious users from stealing my stuff

L513[12:33:26] <Ordinastie> I wonder what the real reasons are, and if they're still valid

L514[12:33:41] <ScottehBoeh> I wont bring personal life into this IRC, but its related to something thats going on in my own situation

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L516[12:34:30] <LexManos> Then dont release it

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L518[12:34:33] <ScottehBoeh> I have another eye-candy pic :D

L519[12:34:55] <ScottehBoeh> Another backpack :) http://i.imgur.com/qrxG9yc.png

L520[12:34:58] <ScottehBoeh> Military, this time

L521[12:35:00] <LexManos> Nobody is going to steal your stuff

L522[12:35:26] <ScottehBoeh> I have a mod called "Decimation". There's some people who used to staff for me (They're pretty good with forge) making another mod called "Desolation". A complete rip.

L523[12:35:38] <ScottehBoeh> (Which is why I've decided to obfuscate my releases)

L524[12:35:57] <Subaraki> if they have already ripped your mod

L525[12:36:00] <Subaraki> then its too late

L526[12:36:19] <Subaraki> the idea is the same, they probably handle it differently

L527[12:36:26] <AshIndigo> Looks pretty nice

L528[12:36:28] <ScottehBoeh> Not the whole thing, but snippets of my code. But it should all be fine now. I've added loads of new features since

L529[12:36:30] <ScottehBoeh> Cheers, ash :)

L530[12:36:31] <Lord_Ralex> if they steal your code, the community would go after them anyways

L531[12:36:32] <Subaraki> all my code is available under the gnu v3 license

L532[12:36:32] <LexManos> Well then tell the community what they are doing and tell them to fuck off.

L533[12:36:41] <LexManos> Obfusication is not the option

L534[12:36:48] <LexManos> and just makes you look like a petty asshole

L535[12:37:05] <Subaraki> if they are on the mc forums, tell the staff, and curseforge has something for that too iirc

L536[12:37:40] <ScottehBoeh> Nah, they don't come on here. But they've been leakingmy address n shit

L537[12:37:44] <ScottehBoeh> Again, all should be well now.

L538[12:37:50] <AshIndigo> Your adresss.

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L540[12:38:07] <AshIndigo> How would they know it?

L541[12:38:15] <ScottehBoeh> They used whois against a domain I hadn't used in years

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L543[12:38:35] <ScottehBoeh> With the shitty provider I was with, You had to pay for identity protection

L544[12:39:01] <Ordinastie> you learned the hard way the internet if full of asshole

L545[12:39:08] <Ordinastie> doesn't mean you have to become one yourself

L546[12:39:25] <ScottehBoeh> ??

L547[12:39:43] <ScottehBoeh> There's something against protecting my own code until these guys back off?

L548[12:40:00] <LexManos> yes, it makes you a cunt.

L549[12:40:18] <AshIndigo> That escalated quickly

L550[12:40:33] <LexManos> Don't do it, its not protection is drama-mongering. Just tell them to fuck off, and move on with your life.

L551[12:40:39] <PaleoCrafter> ^

L552[12:40:58] <ScottehBoeh> ok. I'll see what I can do

L553[12:41:01] <PaleoCrafter> if they really want to get stuff out of your code, they will even if it's obfuscated :P

L554[12:41:47] <ScottehBoeh> can I show a few pics of my Mod? :D

L555[12:41:47] <Koward> I'd like to somehow edit the properties of the base materials from Item.ToolMaterials. Of course I can recreate new materials, and recreate new items etc.. (no problem) but I'd still like to know if there's any special way for that particular thing ?

L556[12:42:34] <ScottehBoeh> Just a few things I'd been working on the last few months

L557[12:42:36] <ScottehBoeh> http://imgur.com/a/zwtYO

L558[12:42:49] <ScottehBoeh> Really want to increase my knowledge on item nbt shit, so I can learn about storing things a bit better

L559[12:43:26] <PaleoCrafter> that parachute doesn't look all that reliable :P

L560[12:44:38] <ScottehBoeh> xD

L561[12:45:06] <ScottehBoeh> I started to learn Forge back in February and, oh my god, I fell in love

L562[12:45:16] <ScottehBoeh> as soon as I learnt about CommonPlayerData I abused it to the max

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L568[12:53:05] <ScottehBoeh> Seeing as we're talking about community effort

L569[12:53:08] <ScottehBoeh> Is anyone in need of any models? :D

L570[12:53:20] <ScottehBoeh> I'm quite happy to do models

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L572[12:53:28] <Ordinastie> obj ?

L573[12:53:32] <ScottehBoeh> sure

L574[12:53:35] <heldplayer> Only if your name is Jason

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L576[12:53:47] <ScottehBoeh> Nosaj

L577[12:53:54] <Ordinastie> then I'm always in need of models :p

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L579[12:57:56] <ScottehBoeh> Whatcha need? :D

L580[12:58:03] <Ordinastie> doors!

L581[12:58:14] <ScottehBoeh> What kind of door :D

L582[12:58:25] <LatvianModder> I only need whats behind the doors

L583[12:58:32] <Ordinastie> no restrictions

L584[12:59:04] <Ordinastie> ScottehBoeh, last one made : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CheEv_45h6Y

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L586[13:00:36] <LatvianModder> that one looks awesome

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L588[13:01:07] <Ordinastie> credits to gigaherz for the base of the model

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L590[13:01:36] <ScottehBoeh> Man :( I aint THAT good

L591[13:01:51] <ScottehBoeh> I mostly do blocky stuff :D

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L596[13:06:04] <Subaraki> ooh

L597[13:06:07] <Subaraki> that looks awesome :o

L598[13:06:41] <Subaraki> i can use someone to make fashion packs x=

L599[13:06:44] <Subaraki> x)

L600[13:06:46] <Subaraki> thats textures

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L602[13:13:11] <ScottehBoeh> Woohoo :D http://imgur.com/a/dQisj

L603[13:13:23] <ScottehBoeh> Originally forgot to add straps :S

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L610[13:28:06] <TankCR> anyone know if there is a mod that lets you play your own mp3s in the jukebox?

L611[13:28:22] <gigaherz> Ordinastie: I just came up with a door design ;P

L612[13:30:03] <LatvianModder> es ist eine rucksack oder ein jetpack?

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L614[13:40:42] <gigaherz> Ordinastie: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/743491/Segmented-door.jpg

L615[13:41:07] <Ordinastie> are you making that ?

L616[13:41:15] <gigaherz> well technically I "made" that

L617[13:41:32] <gigaherz> it's just not animated and not textured ;P

L618[13:42:04] <Ordinastie> aren't there parts that overlap ?

L619[13:42:10] <gigaherz> nope ;P

L620[13:42:46] <gigaherz> notice how the outer parts are more separated than the inner parts

L621[13:42:46] <Ordinastie> well, the animation should be fairly simple too

L622[13:42:57] <gigaherz> IMO, the animation for this would look best

L623[13:43:02] <gigaherz> if the inner bits start moving slightly sooner

L624[13:43:44] <Ordinastie> knock yourself up : https://gist.github.com/Ordinastie/8e554458be39684451fdf7f15cc7a8c5 :p

L625[13:44:18] <Ordinastie> (look at the second file)

L626[13:44:53] <Subaraki> *how do you update forge again ? *

L627[13:44:59] <gigaherz> dop you support smoothstep animation? ;P

L628[13:45:00] <gigaherz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoothstep

L629[13:45:28] <gigaherz> Subaraki: forge proper, or mdk?

L630[13:45:40] <Subaraki> mdk

L631[13:45:49] <gigaherz> edit the version on the build.gradle

L632[13:45:54] <gigaherz> rerun setupDecompWorkspace

L633[13:46:03] <Ordinastie> just flat or sinusoidal

L634[13:46:03] <Subaraki> aha, build.Gradle

L635[13:46:07] <Subaraki> thats the one i needed

L636[13:46:17] <gigaherz> then rerun gradlew eclipse or if idea, refresh the gradle project

L637[13:46:34] <Ordinastie> although, no way to set it via the json

L638[13:47:10] <gigaherz> Ordinastie: consider adding smoothstep, it's really nice for animation values

L639[13:47:10] <gigaherz> ;P

L640[13:47:16] <PaleoCrafter> add generic math expression support :P

L641[13:49:39] <fry> would be almost as good as what I have in forge now :P

L642[13:49:40] <Ordinastie> plan is to add more types of movement

L643[13:49:58] <Ordinastie> fry, you mean the thing litterally nobody was able to use ? :]

L644[13:50:16] <fry> and in what way is yours better? :P

L645[13:51:41] <Ordinastie> it's supposed to be simple to use

L646[13:51:54] <fry> and you thing mine isn't?

L647[13:51:58] <fry> *think

L648[13:52:02] <Ordinastie> but no, I won't debate this further with you

L649[13:52:10] <gigaherz> I'm sure both are, AFTER you figure out how they work ;P

L650[13:52:16] <fry> why won't you? :P

L651[13:53:17] <Ordinastie> gigaherz, for the Hitech door, that's the anim : https://github.com/Ordinastie/MalisisDoors/blob/1.9.4/src/main/resources/assets/malisisdoors/models/hitechdoor.obj.anim

L652[13:53:58] <PaleoCrafter> ugh, tabs :P

L653[13:54:32] <Ordinastie> and the code needed for the block : https://github.com/Ordinastie/MalisisDoors/blob/1.9.4/src/main/java/net/malisis/doors/block/ModelDoor.java#L80-L81

L654[13:54:33] <gigaherz> you can't say the indentation is hard to visualize, though

L655[13:54:33] <gigaherz> XD

L656[13:54:56] <Ordinastie> it's because of .anim I think

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L658[14:00:26] <fry> I guess I'm actually doing something right

L659[14:00:53] <fry> people are using what I made, just not only in the way I thought they would :P

L660[14:06:12] <gigaherz> hm?

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L666[14:13:16] <barteks2x> wtf? is my java broken or what? I'm clicking "resume" for a few minutes now and I really don't see any reason why it would go back again and again to the same place

L667[14:14:28] <barteks2x> oh great... I broke a block, and called Mouse.setGrabbed(false). Now client thinks I'm still holding LMB...

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L669[14:15:01] <barteks2x> and it continues digging down when I resume...

L670[14:15:08] <barteks2x> I could clien "resume" forever

L671[14:15:27] <barteks2x> any way to stop that madness?

L672[14:15:35] <McJty> I never single step code like that (that depends on client events and such)

L673[14:15:37] <McJty> Too messy

L674[14:15:51] <barteks2x> debugging lighting code...

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L677[14:16:56] <barteks2x> there really isn't other way to do it other than tons of System.out.println()/LOGGER.debug() statements

L678[14:17:15] <McJty> Exactly

L679[14:17:17] <McJty> That's what I do

L680[14:17:23] <barteks2x> that I always forget to remove when commiting to git

L681[14:17:25] <McJty> For that kind code it is the handiest way really

L682[14:17:41] <McJty> I really dislike single stepping. I rarely do it

L683[14:18:13] <barteks2x> Except that when you really don't know what is wrong, stepping through code is more convinient than adding random print statements hoping one of them will catch something unusual

L684[14:19:28] <barteks2x> but in many cases debugger was just the wrong way to do it, even with print statements I had 50+MB log files

L685[14:21:22] <barteks2x> anyway, looks like what I have isn't one bug... it's 3+ bug on top of each other

L686[14:21:39] <barteks2x> and the impossibility of adding unit tests doesn't help

L687[14:22:20] <barteks2x> any way to at least do some automated testing in mc?

L688[14:22:32] <barteks2x> even if it requires starting the game

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L690[14:27:11] <barteks2x> I'm writing tests anyway,, whatever it takes to do that

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L703[15:08:20] <PitchBright> i'm just reading back on your guys' convo earlier

L704[15:08:38] <PitchBright> i'm curious as to why obfuscating is a dick move

L705[15:09:28] <gigaherz> no idea what the conversation was

L706[15:09:45] <gigaherz> but not making software opensourceis a dick move by itself ;P

L707[15:09:51] <gigaherz> obfuscation just makes it worse

L708[15:09:59] <PitchBright> i mean, i don't fully understand what obfuscating is or does... lol... but i'm trying to learn from you guys by reading what you say in here

L709[15:10:05] <gigaherz> well

L710[15:10:20] <PitchBright> aren't lotsa mods "not opensource"?

L711[15:10:24] <gigaherz> obfuscation is basically changing names ofthings

L712[15:10:29] <gigaherz> and swapping the code around and such

L713[15:10:35] <gigaherz> in a way that decompiling becomes harder

L714[15:11:01] <gigaherz> what you can do with obfuscation depends on the platform

L715[15:11:10] <PitchBright> it names things func_abc123 ?

L716[15:11:13] <gigaherz> no

L717[15:11:15] <gigaherz> that's SRG naming

L718[15:11:28] <gigaherz> when mojang releases mc jars, they are obfuscated

L719[15:11:34] <gigaherz> the classes are called

L720[15:11:38] <gigaherz> a,b,c,d,...

L721[15:11:41] <gigaherz> aa,ab,ac,...

L722[15:11:51] <PitchBright> ahhh ya, i've seen that

L723[15:11:54] <gigaherz> the fields andm ethods in those classes are in turn also called a,b,c,d,...

L724[15:12:08] <gigaherz> other things they can do is remove all dead code

L725[15:12:13] <gigaherz> inline function calls

L726[15:12:23] <gigaherz> discard annotations

L727[15:12:44] <gigaherz> in native code, you can go one step further

L728[15:12:51] <gigaherz> switching call/ret with manual jumps

L729[15:13:15] <gigaherz> splitting code blocks and mixing multiple functions

L730[15:13:26] <gigaherz> (but only one actually runs since the code keeps jumping to other locations)

L731[15:13:50] <gigaherz> basically: obfuscation is a seriesof dick moves designed to make analysis harder

L732[15:14:50] <PitchBright> so you obf things to make it so they can't be read and understood easily?

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L734[15:15:51] <quadraxis> yes, that is pretty much the meaning of the word 'obfuscate'

L735[15:16:07] <gigaherz> yup

L736[15:16:16] <gigaherz> obfuscate means literally "to make darker"

L737[15:16:21] <quadraxis> to deliberately make unclear

L738[15:16:45] <barteks2x> does anyone know if it's possible to set environment variables in minecraft vanilla launcher?

L739[15:16:48] <PitchBright> so forgive my naivity here, but why is that a dick move?

L740[15:16:48] <fry> "to deliberately bring the heat death of the universe closer for selfish reasons" :P

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L742[15:17:25] <Ordinastie> fry, not really, that's just called breathing :p

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L744[15:18:15] <fry|sleep> it's not 0 or 1 you know, there's a gradient :P

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L746[15:20:30] <gigaherz> PitchBright: because it prevents free access to information

L747[15:20:31] <gigaherz> ;P

L748[15:20:42] <gigaherz> and from the point of view of someone who thinks information should be free for everyone

L749[15:20:54] <gigaherz> any such attempt is at best, a dick move

L750[15:21:02] <PitchBright> interesting

L751[15:21:16] <PitchBright> how does that differ from a mod that is not opensource?

L752[15:21:23] <gigaherz> it doesn't

L753[15:21:51] <gigaherz> obfuscation is something non-opensource mods use to make it harder for others to copy their ideas and make money with them

L754[15:22:01] <barteks2x> uh... why vanilla launcher doesn't allow setting environment variables..

L755[15:22:03] <barteks2x> I need that...

L756[15:22:11] <gigaherz> barteks2x: because mojang doesn't need it?

L757[15:22:36] <tterrag> barteks2x: what do you mean setting?

L758[15:22:38] <barteks2x> to get reasonable performance I need DRI_PRIME=1...

L759[15:22:50] <tterrag> just use the -D vm arg

L760[15:22:51] <gigaherz> can't you set that on the launcher?

L761[15:22:58] <barteks2x> it's not vm option

L762[15:23:02] <barteks2x> it's environm,ent variable

L763[15:23:05] <tterrag> -D is a vm arg

L764[15:23:11] <tterrag> that sets environment variables

L765[15:23:11] <fry|sleep> DRI_PRIME=1 java -jar new_launcher.jar

L766[15:23:54] <barteks2x> I have launcher installed as a package. And running it from console each time is a bit inconvinient...

L767[15:24:23] <PitchBright> okay... so i don't want to get pounded on for asking this... because i'm legitimately just trying to understand the perspective, and mindset...

L768[15:24:27] <gigaherz> make a custom desktop thingy that runs it with the arg?

L769[15:25:04] <PitchBright> but how is us deobfuscating something that is obfuscated any less a dick move, than the reverse. If somebody obfs, it's their way of saying "don't look at my wor"...

L770[15:25:23] <gigaherz> it is

L771[15:25:25] <PitchBright> but then for us to deobf it... we're sayin' "screw you"

L772[15:26:02] <gigaherz> deobfuscating is just as much of a dick move as obfuscating

L773[15:26:09] <PitchBright> oh okay :D

L774[15:26:17] <gigaherz> just like using adblockers is as much of a dick move as unskippable ads before a video

L775[15:26:24] <gigaherz> however

L776[15:26:53] <gigaherz> from thep oint of view of an "information liberalist", it's justified because the other person was a dick first

L777[15:26:53] <gigaherz> ;p

L778[15:28:05] <PitchBright> it's all very interesting. I mean, obviously I not aware/knowledgeable of the philosophical and cultural perspectives of either side of that fence...

L779[15:28:24] <gigaherz> one side of the fence is a capitalist

L780[15:28:26] <PitchBright> but it's interesting to me how/when/where people draw the lines they do

L781[15:28:56] <gigaherz> "I had this idea I must do everything I can to keep it for myself and earn as much money/recognition/respect/whatever, so anyone else copying my idea is stealing my fame/fortune"

L782[15:29:53] <gigaherz> the other side is just "Ideas are worthless, it's the will to implement them that matters, and imitation is the most sincere form of flattery"

L783[15:30:09] <PitchBright> so is other side of the fence, against the capitalist facet of it... or against the celebrity facet of it?

L784[15:30:20] <gigaherz> it's the same, really

L785[15:30:31] <PitchBright> oh i would disagree, personally

L786[15:30:38] <gigaherz> money and fame are both forms of status and power

L787[15:30:39] <PitchBright> one's vanity based

L788[15:30:59] <gigaherz> both give you things (through purchases or through favours)

L789[15:31:20] <gigaherz> just one is countable, the other isn't

L790[15:31:44] <PitchBright> i despise the vanity based perspective... I never put "by PitchBright" on anything I do

L791[15:31:57] <gigaherz> me neither

L792[15:32:10] <PitchBright> but that's also because I disagree with the other statement that ideas are worthless...

L793[15:32:19] <gigaherz> recognition is something you earn, not demand, even less impose into things

L794[15:32:25] <PitchBright> to me, the idea is king...

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L797[15:32:34] <PitchBright> and is bigger than the person

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L799[15:33:13] <gigaherz> well what that phrase means is that

L800[15:33:17] <gigaherz> you can't capitalize on ideas

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L802[15:33:23] <PitchBright> I recently had an experience where i was sharing a really good idea with somebody... who said "man... that's a really good idea... how is that not a thing"

L803[15:33:34] <gigaherz> well you can, because the patent system is retarded and shouldn't exist

L804[15:33:36] <gigaherz> but still

L805[15:33:46] <gigaherz> an idea, by itself, means nothing

L806[15:33:51] <PitchBright> then they went and "created" it... or as you implemented it

L807[15:33:52] <gigaherz> it's when you apply efforts to it

L808[15:33:55] <PitchBright> and they totally butchered it

L809[15:33:59] <gigaherz> and achieve a thing that comes from that idea

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L811[15:34:25] <PitchBright> and now there's a really shitty "expression" of the idea out there

L812[15:34:26] <PitchBright> and that's just... a crime, in my eyes.. a total disservice to the idea

L813[15:35:11] <PitchBright> it made me wish I never shared the idea

L814[15:35:45] <PitchBright> (i do creative work for a living)

L815[15:36:31] <PitchBright> so I see a lot of colleagues, butcher really beautiful things... just because they like the idea, and want to see it come to fruition

L816[15:36:46] <PitchBright> and then to bring the idea to life

L817[15:37:16] <Subaraki> like children wanting to draw a dog

L818[15:37:24] <gigaherz> then they didn't really get the idea

L819[15:37:26] <Subaraki> but they end up drawing a pankcake with paws

L820[15:37:31] <gigaherz> what they implemented was something else ;P

L821[15:37:46] <PitchBright> haha good one Subaraki

L822[15:37:54] <gigaherz> ideas, by themselves, have as much value as dreams

L823[15:38:18] <PitchBright> it's really interesting to hear this perspective

L824[15:38:37] <Subaraki> i dreamed i was in gta san andreas yesterday

L825[15:38:43] <Subaraki> and got a bullet stuck in my head

L826[15:38:53] <Subaraki> and the doctor said i shouldn't remvoe it

L827[15:38:57] <Subaraki> it could get infected

L828[15:39:05] <Subaraki> and i, with the bullet in my hand was like

L829[15:39:15] <Subaraki> oh sorry, (tries to put it back in his skull)

L830[15:39:25] <Subaraki> dreams can be funny sometimes

L831[15:39:33] <Subaraki> but indeed, as gigaherz say

L832[15:39:37] <Subaraki> in words they sounds good

L833[15:39:47] <Subaraki> but once they're put out in the world

L834[15:39:51] <Subaraki> they take another shape

L835[15:40:00] <Subaraki> now i'm off to bed again =)

L836[15:40:01] <Subaraki> o/

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L839[15:41:15] <AshIndigo_> You did it!

L840[15:42:34] <PitchBright> ya, i don't think we'll agree on the value of ideas xD

L841[15:42:57] <PitchBright> anybody, can put forth "effort" or "good effort"

L842[15:43:08] <PitchBright> very few... are capable of creating "good ideas"

L843[15:44:37] <PitchBright> good ideas... shape lives. poorly executed good ideas... just ruin the idea.

L844[15:44:44] <Ordinastie> but good ideas on their own are pretty much worthless

L845[15:45:07] <PitchBright> in what way?

L846[15:45:42] <Ordinastie> an idea has no value in itself until it's implemented

L847[15:45:54] <PitchBright> but at least it has potential

L848[15:46:10] <PitchBright> if implemented incorrectly... it no longer has potential

L849[15:46:15] <PitchBright> it's ruined

L850[15:46:30] <Ordinastie> except it doesn't

L851[15:47:00] <PitchBright> it doesn't what?

L852[15:47:01] <Ordinastie> there is no rule enforcing only one implementation of it ever exists

L853[15:47:29] <AshIndigo_> Night revolution

L854[15:47:34] <PitchBright> but by and large, the first expression of the idea... is the most important

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L856[15:47:47] <PitchBright> that's why it's a "first impression"

L857[15:47:58] <Ordinastie> that is false for almost everything

L858[15:48:33] <Ordinastie> take the most sucessful concepts that have ever existed, and you realise they were rarely the first

L859[15:49:32] <PitchBright> those concepts are examples of somebody taking a good idea, and paring it down. Not taking a good idea, and ruining it.

L860[15:50:00] <gigaherz> who cares about ruined attempts

L861[15:50:02] <gigaherz> they don't matter

L862[15:50:11] <gigaherz> you fall 100 times before you start walking

L863[15:50:22] <gigaherz> if you have a dream, chase it

L864[15:50:23] <gigaherz> same for ideas

L865[15:50:26] <gigaherz> and if you give up

L866[15:50:31] <gigaherz> someone else can continue where you left off

L867[15:50:38] <gigaherz> that's the value of progress

L868[15:50:48] <gigaherz> locking down ideas, information

L869[15:50:55] <gigaherz> only serves to stall it

L870[15:51:03] <gigaherz> if you got the idea

L871[15:51:08] <gigaherz> someone else will, sooner or later

L872[15:51:17] <gigaherz> ideas usually appear when the right combination of factors meet

L873[15:51:28] <gigaherz> these days, we have internet to talk things over in realtime

L874[15:51:29] <gigaherz> but in the past

L875[15:51:44] <gigaherz> it was common for things to be invented by two or more people, separately and independently

L876[15:51:48] <gigaherz> without knowledge of eachother

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L878[15:53:12] <PitchBright> yeah i guess where i'm looking at it differently is from an "art" perspective... whereas the original context was "technology"

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L880[15:53:52] <PitchBright> i see what you're saying in that context

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L882[15:56:07] <PitchBright> i would debate with my Creative Director at work about this stuff, years ago xD

L883[15:56:23] <PitchBright> his position was "Ideas rust for want of use"

L884[15:56:38] <PitchBright> mine was "If you can't do it right, don't do it at all."

L885[15:56:45] <barteks2x> has anyone made a mod that deletes chunks that would look the same after they are regenerated?

L886[15:56:56] <gigaherz> the latter is a really good candidate for regret

L887[15:57:06] <gigaherz> "I could have done so much, but due to fear, I did nothing"

L888[15:57:16] <PitchBright> who i didn't say anything about fear

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L890[15:57:20] <PitchBright> whoa*

L891[15:57:34] <gigaherz> how do you know if you CAN do it right, until you try

L892[15:57:38] <gigaherz> if you choose not to try

L893[15:57:40] <gigaherz> you feared to fail

L894[15:57:45] <PitchBright> knowing you can't express something to it's greatest potential, doesn't mean you are afraid to try

L895[15:57:46] <gigaherz> and chose to give in to that fear

L896[15:57:59] <gigaherz> yes it does, that assumption is keeping you back

L897[15:58:09] <gigaherz> the only people who achieve the impossible

L898[15:58:15] <gigaherz> are those how didn't know it was meant to be impossible

L899[15:58:16] <PitchBright> nope... it's knowing yourself well enough to know you're not ready to express the idea

L900[15:58:39] <PitchBright> or don't have the tools, or the venue

L901[15:59:12] <PitchBright> no thats a different topic. you're talking about people who aren't sure of their ideas

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L903[15:59:28] <Xiaphearix> Does this work, am I getting through?

L904[15:59:33] <PitchBright> yep

L905[15:59:35] <PitchBright> Xiaphearix:

L906[15:59:46] <Xiaphearix> finally....had to install mirc to get here

L907[15:59:52] <PitchBright> :)

L908[15:59:54] <gigaherz> heh

L909[16:00:02] <gigaherz> well thje channel does mute webchats

L910[16:00:10] <gigaherz> but only those that have "webchat" as the ident string

L911[16:00:20] <gigaherz> [22:53] (i) [QUIT] Xiaphearix (webchat@dhcp-077-248-163-121.chello.nl) (Quit: Web client closed)

L912[16:00:25] <gigaherz> the only reason you weren't able to speak before

L913[16:00:31] <gigaherz> was that little "webchat" word in there ;p

L914[16:00:37] <Xiaphearix> How nice

L915[16:00:44] <gigaherz> the idea is

L916[16:01:04] <Xiaphearix> ...Anyhow, I was redirected to here from the FTB chat; does anyone have any block properties knowledge?

L917[16:01:18] <gigaherz> something like "if you can't be bothered to change that, then how can we trust that you will put any more effort in your modding"?

L918[16:01:26] <gigaherz> sure

L919[16:01:29] <gigaherz> most people here do modding

L920[16:01:39] <Xiaphearix> I'm making a modpack, but...yeah xD

L921[16:02:01] <gigaherz> so waht is your question?

L922[16:02:18] <Xiaphearix> I'm trying to add a color to minecraft leaves.

L923[16:02:50] <gigaherz> elaborate? ;P

L924[16:02:55] <PitchBright> do you mean change the current colour of leaves?

L925[16:03:08] <Xiaphearix> Yes.

L926[16:03:10] <Xiaphearix> http://pastebin.com/hrLpfqUH

L927[16:03:18] <PitchBright> you should be able to do that with a resourcepack, no?

L928[16:03:34] <gigaherz> o_O

L929[16:03:39] <Xiaphearix> Here -- I already got the leaves to stop dropping saplings and apples, and....other materials instead.

L930[16:03:40] <gigaherz> what kind of file is that?

L931[16:03:40] <gigaherz> XD

L932[16:03:56] <Xiaphearix> a json one. It's a Block Properties mod config file.

L933[16:04:24] <PitchBright> Block Properties

L934[16:04:25] <PitchBright> ya

L935[16:04:27] <gigaherz> ah when you said "block properties" you meant a mod called Block Properties

L936[16:04:27] <PitchBright> you wanna get in touch with Father Toast on his forum page, i think

L937[16:04:29] <Xiaphearix> I was talking about the mod, not actual block properties |D

L938[16:04:31] <gigaherz> not just the actual properties of a block

L939[16:04:32] <gigaherz> ;P

L940[16:04:34] <gigaherz> https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/block-properties

L941[16:04:35] <gigaherz> I see

L942[16:04:52] <gigaherz> so you want to change the color

L943[16:04:53] <gigaherz> hmm

L944[16:04:55] <gigaherz> that may be complicated

L945[16:05:06] <gigaherz> what version of MC?

L946[16:05:13] <PitchBright> it's an invalid json file

L947[16:05:33] <gigaherz> I'd guess 1.7.10, since that's the version of the mod available on curseforge

L948[16:05:38] <Xiaphearix> Myeah, the help files on the mod wiki says to add something like 'item_stats' and then color.

L949[16:06:07] <Xiaphearix> It's invalid because of the color adition. Removing that will make it work-- given you have both Pam's desertcraft and BoP ;P

L950[16:06:11] <PitchBright> use this site Xia, to verify your json files, before trying to use them in-game

L951[16:06:11] <PitchBright> http://jsonlint.com

L952[16:06:35] <PitchBright> no i mean... formatting is invalid

L953[16:07:51] <Xiaphearix> Hmm, this might help a whole lot

L954[16:08:04] <gigaherz> that may be the best we can do

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L956[16:08:20] <gigaherz> from the wiki, color appears to be only valid for leather armor itemstacks

L957[16:08:27] <gigaherz> ;P

L958[16:08:41] <gigaherz> thing is

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L960[16:08:49] <gigaherz> leaf color is... special

L961[16:09:05] <gigaherz> unless these are one of the leaves that do not change color based on biome

L962[16:09:09] <gigaherz> the actual leaf texture is gray

L963[16:09:21] <gigaherz> then it's multiplied by a color in order to give it the biome "tone"

L964[16:09:22] <Xiaphearix> Really....huh

L965[16:09:31] <PitchBright> are you looking to do wholesale colour changes on vanilla leaves?

L966[16:09:40] <Xiaphearix> So much for changing mine to a brown-ish 'dead' look then

L967[16:09:48] <PitchBright> no hol don

L968[16:09:51] <PitchBright> hold on*

L969[16:09:56] <PitchBright> i might know a way for ya

L970[16:10:02] <gigaherz> however

L971[16:10:02] <Xiaphearix> Oh? an other mod?

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L973[16:10:07] <gigaherz> the lookup table is based on a texture

L974[16:10:08] <PitchBright> no... resourcepack

L975[16:10:13] <gigaherz> which you may be able to put in a resourcepack

L976[16:10:28] <PitchBright> you want to add new:

L977[16:10:29] <Xiaphearix> So...a texturepack?

L978[16:10:41] <PitchBright> ./textures/colormap/foliage.png

L979[16:10:55] <PitchBright> lemme get you something else too 1 sec

L980[16:11:09] <PitchBright> are you using Optifine?

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L982[16:11:24] <Xiaphearix> So...in the modpack's resource folder, I need to make that. and then link the json to that resource?

L983[16:11:40] <PitchBright> naw the json prolly wont' help you at all

L984[16:11:41] <gigaherz> no it will automatically affect all leaves

L985[16:11:44] <Xiaphearix> No, no optifine in there.

L986[16:11:46] <PitchBright> ^

L987[16:11:52] <PitchBright> okay... 1 sec then

L988[16:12:05] <gigaherz> this would work even on vanilla minecraft

L989[16:12:06] <PitchBright> what version of MC?

L990[16:12:13] <gigaherz> [23:05] (gigaherz): I'd guess 1.7.10, since that's the version of the mod available on curseforge

L991[16:12:14] <Xiaphearix> 1.7.10

L992[16:12:31] <Xiaphearix> I'm still one of the oldschool people ;P

L993[16:12:45] <gigaherz> yeah

L994[16:12:49] <gigaherz> yo uare missing out on all of my mods ;P

L995[16:13:31] <Xiaphearix> I guess I am xD

L996[16:14:24] <PitchBright> i was gonna point you to this great article, if you were using Optfine/MCPatcher... http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/resource-packs/resource-pack-discussion/1256353-making-lightmaps-an-mcpatcher-tutorial

L997[16:14:25] <PitchBright> but i'm still looking for something else for ya, 1 sec

L998[16:15:03] <Xiaphearix> Yay ;3

L999[16:15:26] <PitchBright> post #124

L1000[16:15:27] <PitchBright> http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/resource-packs/resource-pack-discussion/1256322-new-biome-coloring-system-in-1-7-discussion?comment=124

L1001[16:16:54] <PitchBright> hm, i forgot that's biome colouring... and now i can't remember if that applies to grass only

L1002[16:17:10] <PitchBright> eitherway, i'm sure the concept applies to the foliage.png too

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L1004[16:18:05] <Xiaphearix> huh, deserts have no gradient, well bugger.

L1005[16:19:13] <Xiaphearix> Oh no, I'm misunderstanding I think

L1006[16:19:21] <PitchBright> you can still change that one pixel to get your brown leaves though, i would imagine

L1007[16:19:32] <Xiaphearix> ....so foilage.png should look like that?

L1008[16:19:40] <PitchBright> it's pretty similar

L1009[16:19:47] <PitchBright> you'll wanna muck around

L1010[16:20:12] <gigaherz> I recommend you try this on a vanilla instance/profile

L1011[16:20:17] <PitchBright> make everything in that foliage.png a stupid colour... hot pink or whatever... and see if you can get the RP to load it, so you can see the cause and effect

L1012[16:20:19] <gigaherz> cos it takes less time to (re)load

L1013[16:20:54] <PitchBright> once you got that working... then muck around with the colours on the png and see what effects come of your changes

L1014[16:21:11] <PitchBright> you'll probably whittle down... what does what where

L1015[16:21:40] <Xiaphearix> Hmm, but this is in the minecraft's own resources right?

L1016[16:21:46] <gigaherz> yup

L1017[16:21:47] <Xiaphearix> Not in a modpack folder

L1018[16:21:47] <PitchBright> ya

L1019[16:21:49] <gigaherz> in a resourcepack zip

L1020[16:22:09] <PitchBright> you use your RP.zip... to override mojangs pngs

L1021[16:22:18] <gigaherz> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Tutorials/Creating_a_resource_pack

L1022[16:22:54] <PitchBright> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Resource_pack#Designing_a_Resource_Pack

L1023[16:22:58] <PitchBright> lol

L1024[16:23:01] <PitchBright> beat me to it

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L1026[16:23:38] <PitchBright> you should let me help ghz... you're also doin' all the helpin'... and I never know enough about anything to help anybody else xD

L1027[16:23:46] <PitchBright> i'm the one always askin' the questions :S

L1028[16:23:54] <gigaherz> you ARE helping, though?

L1029[16:24:07] <gigaherz> I'm just popping in every now and then to say some random thing

L1030[16:24:08] <gigaherz> ;P

L1031[16:24:23] <PitchBright> ;)

L1032[16:24:30] <PitchBright> haha

L1033[16:25:05] <PitchBright> Xiaphearix: go download a resourcepack from somewhere... and unzip it and see how they made the pack

L1034[16:25:49] <Xiaphearix> oooh wait, project Ozone 2 has an in-modpack resource pack

L1035[16:25:55] <PitchBright> beauty

L1036[16:26:09] <PitchBright> rip that puppy open and take a look how they structure the folders and whatnot

L1037[16:26:57] <gigaherz> hmf

L1038[16:27:20] <gigaherz> wait nm

L1039[16:27:26] <gigaherz> I was missing a thing ;p

L1040[16:27:38] <Xiaphearix> oooh I see

L1041[16:28:15] <PitchBright> pretty wicked, eh?

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L1043[16:29:55] <Xiaphearix> Yeah owo

L1044[16:32:29] <Xiaphearix> doesn't seem like it has foilage

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L1046[16:33:25] <PitchBright> it might not

L1047[16:33:36] <PitchBright> not all packs have all the files to change every thing

L1048[16:33:45] <PitchBright> you only put what you need to change, in your pack

L1049[16:34:19] <Xiaphearix> you're right though, the Sky factory 2.5 resource has grayscale leaf textures....with bacon on it.

L1050[16:34:40] <PitchBright> yeah... modded leaves might be a different beast

L1051[16:35:28] <Xiaphearix> heheh

L1052[16:35:41] <PitchBright> if the mod's configs don't have an option allowing you to change the colours... you're likely outta luck, if the colour values are hardcoded

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L1054[16:37:18] <Xiaphearix> hmmm

L1055[16:37:24] <Xiaphearix> maybe there's other mods

L1056[16:37:26] <Xiaphearix> lemme check

L1057[16:37:45] <PitchBright> to change leaves that belong to mods?

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L1059[16:39:00] <TheSunCat> Hello!

L1060[16:39:11] <PitchBright> o/ g'day

L1061[16:39:19] <TheSunCat> I need help with Minecraft 1.7

L1062[16:39:19] <g> PitchBright'day o/

L1063[16:39:51] <TheSunCat> I am working on a mod that includes custom rendered blocks

L1064[16:40:39] <TheSunCat> When you step on or destroy a table (example), purple and black particles pop up.

L1065[16:41:26] <TheSunCat> I found tutorials on this, but they are for Minecraft 1.8+

L1066[16:41:29] <gigaherz> Hey, it's kindof a rule of the channel that we don't provide support for old mc versions (at this point, anything before 1.9.4 is old ;P)

L1067[16:41:42] <TheSunCat> In those versions block rendering changed a lot.

L1068[16:41:47] <gigaherz> yep

L1069[16:41:51] <TheSunCat> Oh.

L1070[16:42:10] <TheSunCat> So where can I ask for help in 1.7.2-1.7.10?

L1071[16:42:17] <g> There are some other channels with people that are knowledgeable

L1072[16:42:29] <TheSunCat> Like for example...

L1073[16:42:31] <gigaherz> no idea, no one has stood up to the task and created a forge-1.7.10 channel

L1074[16:42:43] <gigaherz> I'd be happy to tell people were to go, if I knew of one such place

L1075[16:42:59] <gigaherz> however, we strongly recommend creating new mods on new mc

L1076[16:43:01] <g> there's a bunch of friendly devs in #ftb but it's not really a development channel

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L1078[16:43:19] <g> but yeah, if you can support current forge, you should imo

L1079[16:43:21] <TheSunCat> I saw this channel in the book Sams Teach Yourself Minecraft Mod Development in 24 Hours

L1080[16:43:22] <gigaherz> "but all the mods I like are on 1.7.10" issue is only made worse if you add thingsyou like to it

L1081[16:43:22] <gigaherz> ;p

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L1083[16:43:48] <g> the book may be outdated by now

L1084[16:43:50] <TheSunCat> so do I join #ftb instead?

L1085[16:43:53] <g> that's the problem with books unfortunately

L1086[16:43:57] <TheSunCat> Yeah...

L1087[16:44:00] <g> You can if you want, but remember that it isn't a dev channel particularly

L1088[16:44:07] <g> just that they talk about dev sometimes

L1089[16:44:13] <TheSunCat> Ok. Thanks for the advice!

L1090[16:44:18] <g> also

L1091[16:44:24] <gigaherz> remember that you are still welcome here

L1092[16:44:30] <TheSunCat> Thanks.

L1093[16:44:32] <g> ^ that

L1094[16:44:36] <gigaherz> and we'll be glad to help you if you do want to update :)

L1095[16:44:49] <PitchBright> http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=11340.0

L1096[16:44:59] <quadraxis> can try the minecraft forums

L1097[16:45:00] <quadraxis> http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/modification-development

L1098[16:45:08] <TheSunCat> I would be interested, but I first want to finish my mod up for 1.7 ;-)

L1099[16:45:26] <PitchBright> i'm sure google will have something, it's prolly something people ran into all the time

L1100[16:45:31] <PitchBright> i found that one link though

L1101[16:45:43] <gigaherz> yeah google "particle texture forge 1.7"

L1102[16:45:46] <gigaherz> and stuff should pop up

L1103[16:46:04] <PitchBright> "break block particles" seem to yield some results

L1104[16:46:13] <g> yeah, if anything, while working with forge, google has been pretty invaluable for me

L1105[16:46:19] <diesieben07> ugh... http://i.imgur.com/36HLRNn.png

L1106[16:46:21] <PitchBright> same here

L1107[16:46:22] <TheSunCat> I'm checking...

L1108[16:46:54] <PitchBright> that's not good :(

L1109[16:47:12] <PitchBright> 2+ seconds on that ping?

L1110[16:47:32] <diesieben07> yeah.

L1111[16:47:39] <PitchBright> that's weird

L1112[16:47:46] <diesieben07> no, that's a shitty ISP

L1113[16:47:59] <PitchBright> like dial-up or something

L1114[16:48:20] <TheSunCat> I'm back..

L1115[16:48:25] <TheSunCat> Found nothing.

L1116[16:48:30] <TheSunCat> Only 1.8 tuts.

L1117[16:48:36] <PitchBright> spend a few hours googling xD

L1118[16:48:44] <gigaherz> we should make a song. "11 mods I like only on 1.7.10. 11 mods I like only on 1.7.10. download forge, make a new one. 12 mods I like only on 1.7.10"

L1119[16:48:48] <TheSunCat> I did. ;-(

L1120[16:49:03] <gigaherz> TheSunCat: are you using an ISBRH?

L1121[16:49:12] <TheSunCat> What is ISBRH?

L1122[16:49:17] <diesieben07> thankfully though... http://i.imgur.com/hcPaR7n.png

L1123[16:49:18] <gigaherz> ISimpleBlockRenderingHandler

L1124[16:49:35] <TheSunCat> No. Let me check tough.

L1125[16:49:39] <diesieben07> what is this 1.7.10 nonsense? :D

L1126[16:50:02] <PitchBright> you better run, SunCat

L1127[16:50:11] <gigaherz> no wait nevermind

L1128[16:50:19] <TheSunCat> https://thepasteb.in/p/pghQgJZWyKYSR

L1129[16:50:28] <TheSunCat> That's my block class

L1130[16:50:32] <diesieben07> ew, BlockContainer

L1131[16:50:42] <gigaherz> so many ewhs in there ;P

L1132[16:50:43] <TheSunCat> What do u mean

L1133[16:50:49] <diesieben07> don't use BlockContainer

L1134[16:50:50] <gigaherz> BlockContainer was never the good choice

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L1136[16:51:00] <diesieben07> override hasTileEntity & createTileEntity

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L1138[16:51:02] <gigaherz> it was the only choice, back in like... 1.2?

L1139[16:51:10] <gigaherz> hmm getRenderType -1

L1140[16:51:11] <Lordmau5> Holy shite I wondered why this was so quiet

L1141[16:51:14] <gigaherz> TESR?

L1142[16:51:15] <TheSunCat> What do I use then. That's what I saw in YouTube.

L1143[16:51:15] <Lordmau5> Thanks nickserv

L1144[16:51:34] <TheSunCat> I'm using NealeGaming's tutorials.

L1145[16:51:35] <gigaherz> the Block class already has hasTileEntity and createTileEntity

L1146[16:51:36] <gigaherz> override them

L1147[16:52:01] <TheSunCat> @Override what?

L1148[16:52:06] <gigaherz> hasTileEntity and createTileEntity

L1149[16:52:08] <TheSunCat> Could you give me some code?

L1150[16:52:16] <TheSunCat> I'm new to modding...

L1151[16:52:18] <gigaherz> no, your IDE should have a thing

L1152[16:52:19] <PitchBright> ya no

L1153[16:52:20] <TheSunCat> ;-P

L1154[16:52:22] <diesieben07> if you don't know how to override methods, you need to learn java first.

L1155[16:52:24] <gigaherz> to create skeletons for overrides

L1156[16:52:32] <diesieben07> you cannot mod without knowing java basics.

L1157[16:52:32] <gigaherz> in idea, it's ctrl-o or ctrl-shift-o

L1158[16:52:41] <gigaherz> in eclipse, no idea ;P

L1159[16:52:42] <TheSunCat> I know java basics.

L1160[16:52:47] <diesieben07> then you know how to override methods.

L1161[16:52:55] <PitchBright> this isn't the Code Bank... and you're already askin' for it, with the 1.7.10

L1162[16:52:56] <diesieben07> and nealeGaming is a moron

L1163[16:53:04] <TheSunCat> I just don't know how to override the methods youre talking about.

L1164[16:53:10] <TheSunCat> I know.

L1165[16:53:13] <diesieben07> like any other method.

L1166[16:53:22] <TheSunCat> He stopped youtube

L1167[16:53:26] <diesieben07> they even have javadocs!

L1168[16:53:39] <TheSunCat> So @Override what method.

L1169[16:53:52] <Lordmau5> hasTileEntity(IBlockState state)

L1170[16:53:57] <diesieben07> I did not say anything about @Override

L1171[16:54:04] <diesieben07> override 2 methods: hasTileEntity and createTileEntity

L1172[16:54:05] <Lordmau5> and createTileEntity(World world, IBlockState state) - those 2

L1173[16:54:07] <diesieben07> both defined in the block class

L1174[16:54:17] <diesieben07> Lordmau5, he is on 1.7.10... why are we even helping this cat? :D

L1175[16:54:19] <gigaherz> Lordmau5: 1.7.10, in this case ;P

L1176[16:54:23] <PitchBright> did you even read the link i pasted?

L1177[16:54:27] <Lordmau5> Aaah

L1178[16:54:49] <Lordmau5> the first message I saw when I rejoined this channel due to nickserv reasons was "it was the only choice, back in like... 1.2?" from gigaherz :P

L1179[16:54:50] <TheSunCat> I probably did not see the link you pasted.

L1180[16:54:51] <gigaherz> either way, the texture issue is that you are using a TESR for rendering, but you don't have a getIcon or anything, to provide the break texture ;P

L1181[16:54:52] <Lordmau5> pardon me

L1182[16:55:05] <diesieben07> not your fault :P

L1183[16:55:13] <TheSunCat> How do I do a getIcon?

L1184[16:55:20] <TheSunCat> I am new to modding.

L1185[16:55:22] <gigaherz> override it, like the other two

L1186[16:55:28] <gigaherz> check other mods from mc

L1187[16:55:31] <gigaherz> like BlockChest

L1188[16:55:40] <TheSunCat> Ok. doing that...

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L1190[16:57:37] <TheSunCat> I don't see anything about particles in BlockChest.

L1191[16:57:51] <TheSunCat> Where would I find code for that.

L1192[16:57:55] <diesieben07> getIcon.

L1193[16:58:03] <diesieben07> like giga said a few times already...

L1194[16:58:14] <TheSunCat> String not found.

L1195[16:58:14] <diesieben07> stop using 1.7.10 and this is all much cleaner.

L1196[16:58:20] <gigaherz> eclipse has things like navigate->symbol and such

L1197[16:58:37] <gigaherz> or whatever they are called ;p

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L1200[16:58:45] <TheSunCat> I know! I want to update to 1.9 but first I want to finish the mod I'm working on.

L1201[16:59:08] <diesieben07> wrong order.

L1202[16:59:08] <TheSunCat> Then I'll update it to newer and older versions.

L1203[16:59:11] <diesieben07> update first :P

L1204[16:59:14] <Lordmau5> ^

L1205[16:59:22] <Lordmau5> You'll just be annoyed by the changes from 1.8 and 1.9.

L1206[16:59:34] <TheSunCat> So I update, then finish the mod, and then "deupdate?"

L1207[16:59:36] <diesieben07> why are we even talking about 1.9?

L1208[16:59:42] <diesieben07> don't "de-update"

L1209[16:59:42] <TheSunCat> IDK

L1210[16:59:47] <diesieben07> bring out the mod for 1.10.2

L1211[16:59:54] <diesieben07> 1.7.10 can go DIAF

L1212[17:00:08] <TheSunCat> I want my mod to be compatible with 1.7-1.10 (If that's possible)

L1213[17:00:16] <Lordmau5> You need to maintain 2 different code bases

L1214[17:00:19] <Lordmau5> Trust us, it's a hassle

L1215[17:00:19] <TheSunCat> What's DIAF

L1216[17:00:22] <Lordmau5> Die in a fire :P

L1217[17:00:23] <diesieben07> die in a fire

L1218[17:00:28] <Lordmau5> *sniped*

L1219[17:00:33] <gigaherz> TheSunCat: let me put it this way: if you ahve your mod on pre-1.8 and post-1.8

L1220[17:00:33] <diesieben07> why do you care about 1.7.10?

L1221[17:00:36] <diesieben07> you shouldn't.

L1222[17:00:37] <gigaherz> it's like you have two mods ;P

L1223[17:00:42] <gigaherz> you'll do twice the work

L1224[17:00:49] <TheSunCat> A lot of mods are made in 1.7

L1225[17:00:59] <diesieben07> A lot of mods are made in 1.10.2.

L1226[17:01:06] <TheSunCat> But if you all think that it's easier in 1.8, I'll do that.

L1227[17:01:12] <diesieben07> 1.10.2

L1228[17:01:13] <gigaherz> the only reason people keep doing things for 1.7.10, is that people keep doing things for 1.7.10

L1229[17:01:13] <diesieben07> not 1.8.

L1230[17:01:15] <Lordmau5> 1.10.2 yes

L1231[17:01:24] <Lordmau5> don't start on anything below 1.10.2, please

L1232[17:01:25] <diesieben07> There are also a lot of mods for 1.5.2 or 1.3.2

L1233[17:01:25] <TheSunCat> OK. 1.10.

L1234[17:01:28] <diesieben07> yet nobody cares about those.

L1235[17:01:31] <TheSunCat> How do I update?!?

L1236[17:01:32] <diesieben07> at least i hope so

L1237[17:01:34] <gigaherz> "nobody" ;P

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L1239[17:01:47] <diesieben07> you downlaod the latest MDK, that's the easiest.

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L1241[17:02:01] <diesieben07> read the docs for gettign started (mcforge.readthedocs.org)

L1242[17:02:07] <TheSunCat> Don't I have to change some code?

L1243[17:02:12] <gigaherz> http://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/gettingstarted/

L1244[17:02:14] <gigaherz> a lot ;P

L1245[17:02:17] <diesieben07> Of course.

L1246[17:02:20] <gigaherz> it's often easier to start over

L1247[17:02:26] <gigaherz> that's why we recommend you do it sooner rather than later

L1248[17:02:29] <diesieben07> That depends on the mod ;)

L1249[17:02:38] <TheSunCat> You mean DELETE my mod and start over???!!!!????

L1250[17:02:43] <gigaherz> no not delete

L1251[17:02:51] <gigaherz> how much does your mod have so far?

L1252[17:02:55] <TheSunCat> A lot.

L1253[17:03:03] <TheSunCat> Like 50 block and Items.

L1254[17:03:16] <diesieben07> btw: unrelated advice: don't watch 1080@60 gaming videos over a tethered connection.

L1255[17:03:17] <TheSunCat> And like 25 custom rendered blocks

L1256[17:03:27] <diesieben07> using tesrs?

L1257[17:03:29] <TheSunCat> Plus a bunch of recipes.

L1258[17:03:31] <gigaherz> how "custom" is the custom?

L1259[17:03:36] <diesieben07> recipes are basically the same.

L1260[17:03:40] <gigaherz> doyou have animations or text display or such?

L1261[17:03:44] <TheSunCat> Tables, custom torches...

L1262[17:03:50] <TheSunCat> Chairs...

L1263[17:03:51] <diesieben07> so just basic models

L1264[17:03:52] <gigaherz> or just fancy models?

L1265[17:03:58] <diesieben07> get a modeling software, export them as objs

L1266[17:03:59] <TheSunCat> Vertical slabs.

L1267[17:04:01] <diesieben07> forge will load them

L1268[17:04:05] <TheSunCat> I use techne.

L1269[17:04:11] <gigaherz> tcn2obj

L1270[17:04:14] <diesieben07> thats not a modeling software.

L1271[17:04:19] <TheSunCat> ???

L1272[17:04:20] <gigaherz> but it's best if you continue with proper software

L1273[17:04:23] <TheSunCat> I am confused.

L1274[17:04:27] <diesieben07> techne is a lame joke

L1275[17:04:31] <gigaherz> everything you know about modding

L1276[17:04:35] <gigaherz> is incorrect and old

L1277[17:04:37] <TheSunCat> Its completely undeveloped.

L1278[17:04:48] <diesieben07> it doesn't even export as obj or ANY known model format

L1279[17:04:49] <gigaherz> thank tutorials and books for that ;P

L1280[17:04:52] <diesieben07> just some random .techne shit

L1281[17:04:58] <diesieben07> or .java (what even -_-)

L1282[17:05:03] <TheSunCat> Techne files are .tcn

L1283[17:05:09] <diesieben07> or tcn then

L1284[17:05:11] <gigaherz> yeah which is a .zip with a .xml

L1285[17:05:12] <diesieben07> not much better.

L1286[17:05:13] <TheSunCat> My models are .java

L1287[17:05:16] <diesieben07> lol

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L1289[17:05:35] <gigaherz> well it's the "norm" for 1.7.10 mods

L1290[17:05:44] <diesieben07> pah

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L1292[17:05:48] <gigaherz> horrible, but still

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L1294[17:05:57] <gigaherz> all tutorials suggested that, so go figure

L1295[17:06:00] <diesieben07> there is a obj renderer in 1.7.10

L1296[17:06:04] <diesieben07> which can render inside an ISBRH

L1297[17:06:07] <gigaherz> yeah, it was a bit crappy

L1298[17:06:18] <diesieben07> those TESR abominations are horrible

L1299[17:06:19] <gigaherz> but it was there, I guess XD

L1300[17:06:49] <gigaherz> TheSunCat: best choice is you get Blender or 3D Studio or Maya or whateveryou can get your hands on, that can save as .OBJ

L1301[17:07:03] <gigaherz> learn to mess around with it

L1302[17:08:25] <gigaherz> or you cantry something like https://mrcrayfish.com/tools.php?id=mc

L1303[17:08:28] <gigaherz> which generates vanilla mc jsons

L1304[17:08:38] <gigaherz> in 1.8 format (1.9+ is slightly different)

L1305[17:09:48] <gigaherz> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Programs_and_editors/3D_modeling

L1306[17:10:08] <gigaherz> interesting

L1307[17:10:15] <gigaherz> there's a Blender exporter for minecraft json models?

L1308[17:10:30] <gigaherz> "[unmaintained]"

L1309[17:10:33] <gigaherz> should have guessed ;P

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L1311[17:17:58] <Lordmau5> urgh

L1312[17:18:03] <Lordmau5> OpenGL is killing me

L1313[17:18:30] <Lordmau5> using BlockRendererDispatcher#renderBlockDamage to render a custom overlay texture onto blocks but I can't color it in the GL context

L1314[17:18:46] <Lordmau5> I would like to apply transparency, but this is not possible at all apparently

L1315[17:19:40] <Lordmau5> Any OpenGL wizards on right now that could lend me a hand? :<

L1316[17:20:50] * diesieben07 sees OpenGL

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L1318[17:22:35] <Lordmau5> so I take that as a no... :P

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L1324[18:16:48] <barteks2x> I know it's more java question but... is it possible to link to some method withing {@code}?

L1325[18:17:14] <barteks2x> (method or fiels)

L1326[18:17:18] <barteks2x> *field

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L1328[18:18:02] <TehNut> Why not {@link}?

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L1330[18:19:13] <barteks2x> I want{@code centerPos.getX/Y/Z + {@link LightUpdateQueue#MIN_POS}} something like this but working:

L1331[18:19:30] <barteks2x> and I messed up everything here because I copypated in wrong place...

L1332[18:19:38] <barteks2x> I hope it's not impossible to understand

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L1336[18:21:58] <barteks2x> basically I want {@link} nested within {@code}

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L1338[18:22:39] <quadraxis> @code implies text is interpreted literally

L1339[18:23:11] <barteks2x> But I also want link inside it...

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L1341[18:23:30] <barteks2x> it is code, but I want to link to a field

L1342[18:23:35] <quadraxis> try <code> etc </code>

L1343[18:23:41] <quadraxis> instead of @code

L1344[18:23:44] <barteks2x> within @param?

L1345[18:23:51] <howtonotwin> does @{code head} {@link ... {@code mid}} {@code tail} work?

L1346[18:24:05] <howtonotwin> sans the spaces

L1347[18:24:14] <barteks2x> I'm not sure what it will result in after html is generated

L1348[18:26:56] <barteks2x> {@link} doesn't work at all in @param...

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L1350[18:28:54] <quadraxis> show a gist or something?

L1351[18:31:02] <barteks2x> this is the whole thing I have: https://gist.github.com/Barteks2x/cb088a806f84ba15e4fe6ac086351974

L1352[18:31:26] <barteks2x> (it's not finished yet)

L1353[18:33:02] <barteks2x> the link works fine in IDE

L1354[18:33:08] <barteks2x> but not in generated HTML

L1355[18:37:14] <quadraxis> i'd put the note about coords above the params

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L1357[18:39:29] <quadraxis> also try <code>centerPos.getX/Y/Z + {@link LightUpdateQueue#MIN_POS}</code>

L1358[18:39:49] <barteks2x> it doesn't put the link anyway...

L1359[18:39:53] <barteks2x> Why?

L1360[18:40:28] <barteks2x> oh...

L1361[18:40:35] <barteks2x> that field doesn't have javadoc...

L1362[18:40:37] <barteks2x> I'm stupid

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L1376[19:51:12] <LexManos> !gm func_176214_u

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L1382[20:10:34] <barteks2x> My test for light propagation code works :D (it found a few errors)

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L1385[20:17:39] <barteks2x> when you place a torch in minecraft, only the torch itself has light value 15, right? Surrounding blocks are 14 and less?

L1386[20:20:11] <Unh0ly_Tigg> pretty sure that's how it works.

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L1388[20:29:36] <barteks2x> that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure. My test was failing in weird way

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L1392[20:40:43] <barteks2x> So in my lighting code instead of checking for increased light, I was checking for decreased light, and in one place forgot to add linear falloff... and in game that code still more or less worked...

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L1409[22:59:51] <killjoy> What's a good sqlite imlementation?

L1410[22:59:55] <killjoy> (Driver)

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L1413[23:05:41] <Unh0ly_Tigg> killjoy, first suggestion I could find: https://github.com/xerial/sqlite-jdbc

L1414[23:05:58] <killjoy> I'm using that now.

L1415[23:06:09] <killjoy> except I found the link to the bitbucket

L1416[23:06:25] <Unh0ly_Tigg> the bitbucket overview page says they moved to github

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