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L92[00:31:12] <tterrag> what's the best way to get a specific blockstate from a config value?

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L94[00:31:18] <tterrag> I could just use meta but that seems wrong/lazy

L95[00:31:41] <tterrag> they could specify i.e. stone#variant=andesite but how do I convert that ?

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L102[00:41:56] <McJty> tterrag, in rftools dimensions I have a json file with something like:

L103[00:41:57] <McJty> "property": {

L104[00:41:57] <McJty> "type": "COBALT"

L105[00:41:57] <McJty> }

L106[00:42:15] <McJty> That was for Tinkers Construct material

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L122[01:48:15] <tterrag> McJty: right, but how to get the actual IBlockState object?

L123[01:48:32] <tterrag> the best way I've found asking around is to just brute force through the property map

L124[01:51:08] <McJty> Well my case is a bit different

L125[01:51:20] <McJty> I don't have to construct a blockstate from that. I only have to match a blockstate with the properties defined in the json

L126[01:51:24] <McJty> So that's slightly easier I guess

L127[01:51:39] <tterrag> I suppose

L128[01:51:45] <tterrag> that's really all I need I guess

L129[01:52:02] <tterrag> it's just that == is faster than a bunch of string/etc comparisons

L130[01:52:15] <tterrag> and this is done during rendering so I'd prefer to use == if at all possible

L131[01:53:23] <tterrag> I'll just do it the brute force way :p

L132[01:53:41] <McJty> You cannot cache this in some way?

L133[01:54:41] <tterrag> I could yes

L134[01:54:44] <tterrag> and will :P

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L148[02:12:34] <tterrag> McJty: question, why have "property" as a key?

L149[02:12:52] <tterrag> since properties serialize down to a Map<String, String>

L150[02:13:03] <tterrag> shouldn't it at least be "properties" ?

L151[02:13:56] <McJty> Well this is the entire rule: https://bpaste.net/show/ed9d97acfe5f

L152[02:14:10] <McJty> I wanted to avoid complicating it more by needing an extra 'properties' around all 'property' tags

L153[02:15:22] <tterrag> my question is why is property not "properties" which is just a Map<String, String>

L154[02:15:41] <tterrag> so it could look like "properties": { "type": "COBALT", "foo": "bar" }

L155[02:16:03] <tterrag> in your current scheme, how does one specify multiple properties?

L156[02:16:10] <McJty> Multiple "property" tags

L157[02:16:21] <tterrag> O.o that's not valid json

L158[02:16:41] <McJty> Well it works

L159[02:16:42] <tterrag> or rather, it's not a proper OO structure

L160[02:16:51] <tterrag> I fear what your deserialization code looks like...

L161[02:17:18] <tterrag> fromJson(new FileReader(jsonConfig), new TypeToken<Map<ResourceLocation, BlockInfo>>(){}.getType()); deserializes http://pastebin.com/mPfsqcrK

L162[02:17:55] <tterrag> it helps when using Gson to think of your JSON objects as Java objects

L163[02:18:03] <tterrag> you can't have multiple fields with the same name in java

L164[02:19:24] <McJty> Actually I was wrong

L165[02:19:26] <McJty> I do it like you say

L166[02:19:32] <McJty> And then yes it should have been called 'properties'

L167[02:19:59] <tterrag> thought so :D

L168[02:20:09] <tterrag> that's much saner :P

L169[02:20:47] <McJty> Although technically the other fields in the rule can also have multiple values: i.e. like "name" in that example

L170[02:21:01] <McJty> Every one of those properties can have multiple values

L171[02:21:10] <McJty> It is just a filter on that specific thing

L172[02:21:35] <tterrag> then why aren't they arrays? :C

L173[02:21:45] <tterrag> "names" : ["foo", "bar", "baz"]

L174[02:21:57] <McJty> It is an array

L175[02:21:59] <tterrag> much more readable than name:foo, name:bar, etc

L176[02:22:11] <tterrag> ahh I see

L177[02:22:12] <McJty> But I also allow a string instead of an array

L178[02:22:33] <tterrag> hmmm...that again makes me worry about your deserialization code :D

L179[02:22:49] <tterrag> but I hate all gson code that isn't direct json->object conversion, so I'm picky :P

L180[02:23:05] * fry has a generis multimap deserializer somewhere that takes either a string or an array of strings

L181[02:23:15] <McJty> This is the code that parses that: https://bpaste.net/show/8d72ed213c5d

L182[02:23:32] <tterrag> what is JSonTools O.o

L183[02:23:39] <McJty> My own thing

L184[02:23:42] <kashike> JSonTools

L185[02:23:44] <kashike> ugly name

L186[02:23:47] <tterrag> you didn't use...Gson ?

L187[02:23:55] <tterrag> or, you did

L188[02:23:57] <McJty> nope

L189[02:23:59] <tterrag> because I see JsonElement

L190[02:24:07] <kashike> inb4 org.json

L191[02:24:09] <McJty> Well yes

L192[02:24:21] <McJty> Just something on top of that to make it a bit easier for me

L193[02:24:29] <tterrag> I see

L194[02:24:38] <tterrag> I still prefer converting it to a java object before manipulation

L195[02:24:51] <tterrag> from this code it looks like you are constantly doing lookups on the raw JSON data

L196[02:25:01] <tterrag> which is much slower than if it existed as a java object

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L198[02:27:00] <McJty> Speed is not really an issue here. This is only called at init on a rather small input file

L199[02:28:06] <McJty> BTW anyone here know about some weird behaviour with dimensions in 1.10?

L200[02:28:22] <McJty> Seems that all existing dimensions are loaded at startup and only get unloaded AFTER the first time you vist each of them

L201[02:28:38] <McJty> i.e. nether only unloads if you visit it at least once

L202[02:29:41] <tterrag> McJty: ah, I see you turn it into a Filter object

L203[02:30:04] <tterrag> see, personally I would have made the java structure of Filter reflect the JSON structure of the config, then just directly done fromJson(json, Filter.class)

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L219[03:01:55] <Snapples> So I have a library for doing a specific task (XCP transport protocol implementation), written in C.

L220[03:02:11] <Snapples> I need this functionality to work from an Android device.

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L222[03:02:26] <tterrag> sounds like you're in the wrong channel then :P

L223[03:02:39] <Snapples> SHould I port the library to native android or rather use the NDK to access it?

L224[03:02:47] <Snapples> You think so?

L225[03:03:44] <Snapples> oh, wait, you're right.

L226[03:04:18] <Snapples> Why does this happen all the time...

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L247[04:10:35] <Koward> Would Item.getItemFromBlock(Blocks.SAPLING) get a reference valid to identify all sapling items, despite all the sapling variants ?

L248[04:11:24] <BordListian> err

L249[04:11:33] <BordListian> probably not?

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L251[04:11:47] <McJty> All vanilla saplings yes

L252[04:11:51] <McJty> But not saplings from other mods

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L256[04:16:50] <Koward> I'm using a map so I'm afraid there's not much I can do for other mods saplings

L257[04:17:32] <Koward> (it maps items to a value I use in my mod)

L258[04:18:27] <BordListian> get all oredict entries for blockSapling or something?

L259[04:18:37] <BordListian> *shrugs*

L260[04:19:14] <Koward> I'll look at the doc

L261[04:19:59] <Ordinastie_> you can use hard coded registry names, so at least you'll be able to manually add other mods sapling that way

L262[04:20:09] <Hanii> My IWorldGenerator’s getting called for most chunks, but getting ignored for some o.o

L263[04:20:13] <Ordinastie_> if oredict doesn't work

L264[04:21:52] <Koward> I'm looking at the wiki (don't have a more recent doc), and there is a "treeSapling" entry, so I'll be fine I guess

L265[04:21:55] <McJty> Hanii, how do you know it is ignored?

L266[04:22:34] <McJty> Hanii, also note that IWorldGenerator is only called for new chunks. Not for chunks that were already created before

L267[04:22:48] <tterrag> Koward: why do you need all sapling items?

L268[04:23:31] <Hanii> McJty: At the top of the generate method, I added a world.setBlockState to stick a stone brick in the air so I can see it’s been called for that chunk.

L269[04:24:01] <Koward> tterrag : my mod use a value (like a currency) and must do it on many items (including many existing ones, so extending is not an option) and I want to set all saplings to a price

L270[04:24:17] <tterrag> oredict is probably your best bet then, yeah

L271[04:24:18] <Hanii> The generator’s registered in FMLInitializationEvent, and for new worlds, it should be used for all chunks.

L272[04:24:27] <tterrag> but for a currency mod, shouldn't stuff like that be config-based?

L273[04:24:29] <tterrag> not hardcode?

L274[04:24:30] <McJty> Hanii, can you show me the code?

L275[04:24:36] <McJty> And a screenshot?

L276[04:24:38] <tterrag> (also, another currency mod?)

L277[04:25:10] <BordListian> i kinda wanna copy maker's mark

L278[04:25:26] <BordListian> cause it doesn't have a 1.10 version i think

L279[04:25:39] <BordListian> don't think it even has a 1.7 version honk

L280[04:25:59] <Koward> It's not currency, it's weight here, mistake sorry. But same problem anyway

L281[04:26:57] <tterrag> I see. oredict is a safe bet for that stuff, but it still sounds like something that should be configurable

L282[04:27:17] <tterrag> anyways, bedtime for me

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L284[04:27:47] <Hanii> McJty: http://pastebin.com/EUrqHJ9P

L285[04:27:54] <Tazz> http://i.imgur.com/y3Y9tA4.png too much? XD

L286[04:28:04] <Koward> Yes but if it's configurable, I would not see how to refer them at all

L287[04:28:11] <Koward> Because I could not use the oredict then

L288[04:28:38] <McJty> Hanii, hmm height 20. Isn't there ore or something that will overwrite your block?

L289[04:28:40] <BordListian> json config

L290[04:28:44] <McJty> Or are you doing this in a flat world/void world?

L291[04:28:54] <Hanii> I’m testing this in a flat world

L292[04:29:03] <Hanii> Hold on a second and I’ll show you a screenshot

L293[04:30:38] <tterrag|ZZZzzz> Koward: why not?

L294[04:31:08] <Ordinastie_> if oredict, take value, if config override that value

L295[04:31:39] <Hanii> http://i.imgur.com/CG2Xjku.png

L296[04:31:43] <Hanii> @ McJty

L297[04:31:47] <Koward> Would I not have to choose between storing Oredict names and proper item registry names but not both then ?

L298[04:32:14] <Ordinastie_> both

L299[04:32:18] <McJty> Hanii, hmm strange... Not sure what's up with that

L300[04:32:25] <Hanii> :<

L301[04:33:20] <BordListian> For one, you could make a regular forge config that has two seperate areas, one for item registry names and one for oredict names

L302[04:33:26] <BordListian> or something like that

L303[04:33:57] <tterrag|ZZZzzz> Hanii: try using PopulateChunkEvent.Post perhaps?

L304[04:34:28] <tterrag|ZZZzzz> I use an IWG myself and don't have that issue (that I know of)

L305[04:34:36] <Hanii> Problem is I want my generator to run before certain things, like trees and stuff

L306[04:35:09] <tterrag|ZZZzzz> .Pre then? :P

L307[04:35:16] <tterrag|ZZZzzz> I was just saying to test with the event

L308[04:35:25] <Hanii> Oh right, okay ^^;

L309[04:35:25] <tterrag|ZZZzzz> see if those chunsk make it to the event but not the IWG for some reason

L310[04:35:31] <tterrag|ZZZzzz> anyways...sleep for real

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L312[04:42:13] <Koward> Is the wiki still supported or is it dead ?

L313[04:42:39] <BordListian> isn't there this readthedocs thing now

L314[04:42:42] <ThePsionic> I'm pretty sure we're migrating to RTD yeah

L315[04:42:52] <Koward> Yeah but there's so few information on RTD

L316[04:43:09] <ThePsionic> http://github.com/MinecraftForge/Documentation then add to it :P

L317[04:43:15] <Koward> Pretty recent I guess

L318[04:43:30] <Koward> Will do.

L319[04:44:01] <kashike> http://mcforge.rtfd.io

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L323[04:55:08] <Hanii> @tterrag: Nope, still chunks it’s not working for :<

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L326[05:04:59] <Hanii> No exceptions or anything in the game log

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L328[05:06:53] <Ordinastie_> Hanii, brand new world each test ?

L329[05:07:00] <Hanii> Jup

L330[05:07:06] <Ordinastie_> same chunks every time ?

L331[05:07:23] <Hanii> Nope, different, I have to go looking for chunks it happens to.

L332[05:07:35] <Ordinastie_> different chunks for different seeds ?

L333[05:07:47] <Hanii> That’s a good question. Give me a second and I’ll check

L334[05:09:22] <Hanii> Yes o.O

L335[05:09:31] <Hanii> Sorry, I meant No o.O

L336[05:09:38] <Ordinastie_> so same chunks if same seed ?

L337[05:09:48] <Hanii> I recreated with the same seed and it’s happened in the same place.

L338[05:10:03] <Ordinastie_> good, that means it's not totally random

L339[05:10:12] <Ordinastie_> but now you can debug

L340[05:10:25] <BordListian> totally random would've been better tho

L341[05:10:32] <Ordinastie_> no

L342[05:10:40] <Ordinastie_> if you can replicate, you can debug

L343[05:10:58] <BordListian> totally random means a priority fight

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L345[05:11:28] <Ordinastie_> randoms means no easily determinable cause

L346[05:11:32] <BordListian> don't think that could even happen

L347[05:11:43] <BordListian> with minecraft, anyway

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L349[05:11:58] <Ordinastie_> there is no such things as random in computers

L350[05:12:05] <Ordinastie_> only stuff that appears random

L351[05:12:22] <Hanii> Irreproductive, I think the word is :P

L352[05:12:25] <LatvianModder> randoms means no easily determinable cause.. well it is perfectly determinable in computers :P

L353[05:12:28] <ThePsionic> Pseudo-random

L354[05:12:46] <LatvianModder> it just Looks random to viewer

L355[05:12:56] <Ordinastie_> LatvianModder, yes, but if you need to debug, it's not the computer that needs to determine the cause, it's you

L356[05:13:52] <Ordinastie_> now he can replicate and knows exactly what to breakpoint on to debug

L357[05:14:01] <Ordinastie_> if it happened on random chunks, it would be a pain

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L359[05:16:21] <Ordinastie_> Hanii, I assume you know how to do proper debugging ?

L360[05:16:32] <BordListian> pfft

L361[05:16:42] <Hanii> I haven’t the faintest idea why it’s happening T·T

L362[05:16:48] <BordListian> unpredictable behavior is the easiest thing to debug

L363[05:17:19] <Ordinastie_> Hanii, hence "debugging"

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L366[05:18:15] <Hanii> Yeah, thing is that it’s happening with code that just registers and sets the block. It’s not reaching any of the more complicated code.

L367[05:18:46] <Ordinastie_> no, the thing is that your code is not reached in some cases

L368[05:18:52] <Ordinastie_> you need to find out why

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L370[05:19:40] <Ordinastie_> so breakpoint before in the call trace for those cases, and go step by step and see where it differs from what it's supposed to do

L371[05:20:18] <Hanii> I’m saying that the very first thing my code does is set that block to check, and it’s not even reaching that.

L372[05:20:38] <Ordinastie_> that's EXACTLY what I said

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L374[05:21:11] <Ordinastie_> debugging doesn't NOT mean putting println everywhere

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L376[05:28:15] <ThePsionic> Ordinastie_: Are you sure you want that double negative? :P

L377[05:28:59] <Ordinastie_> I am not not sure I want that double negative

L378[05:29:21] <Ordinastie_> but yes, don't println

L379[05:29:24] <ThePsionic> Oh okay, you aren't not not not sure then

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L390[05:57:03] <Hanii> WorldEvent.Load is fired after some chunks are generated <<;;

L391[05:58:44] <Ordinastie_> did you do what I told you ?

L392[05:59:52] <Hanii> You just told me to debug.

L393[05:59:57] <Ordinastie_> yes

L394[06:00:00] <Ordinastie_> do you know how ?

L395[06:00:11] <Hanii> ...

L396[06:01:11] <Ordinastie_> that's a legitimate question

L397[06:01:18] <Ordinastie_> 90% don't know how

L398[06:01:38] <BordListian> you're kinda missing the point Ordi

L399[06:01:41] <Hanii> I’m trying to hold myself back from saying something extremely rude to you.

L400[06:01:59] <BordListian> same tbh

L401[06:02:12] <Hanii> Of course I know how to debug. It’s literally one of the first things I learned when I was taught how to program.

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L403[06:02:51] <Hanii> Around the same time as finding out from cout did.

L404[06:03:16] <BordListian> so like

L405[06:03:17] <Hanii> *out what cout did.

L406[06:03:29] <Ordinastie_> so debugging means printing stuff to console ?

L407[06:03:30] <BordListian> you registered your world generator in WorldEvent.Load?

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L409[06:04:16] <BordListian> and that was why a bunch of chunks didn't generate with your world generator?

L410[06:05:36] <Hanii> Not quite - the world generator’s registered in the preinitialisation event, but it relies on code that’s registered per-world on world-load, under the assumption that WorldEvent.Load happens before the world starts generating, which seemed like a reasonable assumption.

L411[06:05:52] <BordListian> hm

L412[06:06:07] <BordListian> that would mean the further you go out, the more chunks are generated with your generator tho

L413[06:06:12] <BordListian> is that the case?

L414[06:06:16] <Hanii> So I’m taking a break, and later on, I’m going to load my per-world data on first access for any given world, rather than on that world’s load event.

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L416[06:06:33] <Hanii> Huh? Yes?

L417[06:06:42] <BordListian> right

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L421[06:13:29] <Koward> Mmm config files look nice for what I want to do, but I don't want the user to mess up with values and then cry about bugs... What a dilemma

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L423[06:14:31] <Hanii> Run format checks on load then chastise the user in the text chat about using valid values? :P

L424[06:15:53] <Koward> Haha

L425[06:16:19] <Hanii> I’m away for lunch. Thanks for the help anyway. Sorry if I’m getting a bit short.

L426[06:16:21] <Koward> "Your configuration file has been configured"

L427[06:16:36] <Koward> "Please don't configure configuration files"

L428[06:17:31] <ThePsionic> "Please configure the configuration files before trying to configure the configuration files"

L429[06:21:35] <BordListian> you pretty much never have to worry about that tho

L430[06:30:01] <Koward> I wonder why we get ItemStacks from the OreDict and not Items.

L431[06:30:22] <Koward> (I always always wondered why it's still called the OreDictionary but heh)

L432[06:31:38] <BordListian> wut

L433[06:31:49] <BordListian> you can get the item from ItemStack

L434[06:31:55] <BordListian> but why would you need that

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L437[06:35:00] <Ordinastie_> is there no SortedList implementation available ?

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L441[06:38:22] <Koward> I know, but why would someone need a stack ?

L442[06:38:59] <Ordinastie_> because it's metadata dependant

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L444[06:40:50] <Koward> Oh yeah, like for stainted glass, right

L445[06:40:56] <Ordinastie_> for example

L446[06:42:08] <BordListian> there's mods that stick all their resources into one item

L447[06:42:35] <BordListian> so instead of mod:gear_iron you have mod:resource with metadata 79

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L452[06:51:01] <ThePsionic> why would you do that tbh BordListian

L453[06:51:22] <BordListian> *shrugs*

L454[06:51:27] <BordListian> any reason not to?

L455[06:51:46] <ThePsionic> /shrug

L456[06:52:11] <ThePsionic> I guess it allows for more mods together since you don't have to worry about the internal item ID capping out

L457[06:52:28] <ThePsionic> (If that's even still a thing)

L458[06:52:40] <ThePsionic> (It probably is)

L459[06:55:43] <ThePsionic> And if it's just resources that don't do anything special, sure, why not

L460[07:00:12] <Koward> Because readability and consistency, maybe.

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L463[07:07:52] <BordListian> eh

L464[07:08:00] <BordListian> i think registering them one by one is more readable

L465[07:11:42] <masa> I have my dummy crafting ingredients in one item

L466[07:11:58] <masa> using metadata to separate the tiers and types

L467[07:12:12] <masa> it saves on having to have billions of item registrations

L468[07:12:28] <masa> and makes it easier to group all the stuff kind of

L469[07:13:09] <RANKSHANK> could also use enums for readability :D

L470[07:13:31] <RANKSHANK> EnumResource.GEAR_IRON.createStack(1);

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L477[07:51:04] <luacs1998> anyone knows what happened to MinecraftServer.getConfigurationManager?

L478[07:52:16] <gigaherz> getPLayerList

L479[07:52:23] <gigaherz> or soemthing like that

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L497[08:25:24] <luacs1998> what happened to EntityInteractEvent?

L498[08:27:42] <gigaherz> PlayerInteractEvent.entity

L499[08:30:10] <luacs1998> thanks

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L515[09:15:06] <JamEngulfer> I’m making a tileentity that does stuff based on the blocks around it. Should I just loop through every block around it, or is there another way of doing it? I was considering checking the blocks when it’s first placed, then re-doing the calculation whenever a block update happens

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L517[09:16:37] <JamEngulfer> But, I don’t really know how to do the latter

L518[09:17:09] <Ordinastie_> depends on the radius

L519[09:17:19] <Ordinastie_> are they supposed to be direct neighbors ?

L520[09:18:42] <JamEngulfer> good question. I was initially planning for that, but I just thought I might be able to have it larger than that

L521[09:19:07] <Ordinastie_> because your block is notified when direct neighbors change

L522[09:19:17] <Ordinastie_> blocks further away, they don't

L523[09:19:18] <JamEngulfer> That sounds much easier

L524[09:19:29] <JamEngulfer> I’ll just go for the neighbors

L525[09:19:46] <Ordinastie_> then you override onNeighborChanged in your block

L526[09:20:31] <JamEngulfer> Thanks! I guess I just wasn’t googling the right words

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L529[09:38:45] <JamEngulfer> Wait, how do I get the position of a block from a Block object?

L530[09:39:01] <JamEngulfer> I’m not finding any methods/variables that tell me that

L531[09:39:10] <TechnicianLP> from the block alone you cant get it

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L533[09:39:35] <JamEngulfer> Huh. That’s kinda weird

L534[09:40:15] <TechnicianLP> where do you need the position?

L535[09:40:27] <Ordinastie_> you get the position passed in the parameter

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L537[09:41:08] <JamEngulfer> in onNeighborBlockChange, is there any way to get the position of the block that caused the change?

L538[09:41:16] <Ordinastie_> ah no

L539[09:41:30] <Ordinastie_> you only know the type of the block that changed

L540[09:41:42] <Ordinastie_> (not even the IBlockState, thanks mojang :x)

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L542[09:42:02] <JamEngulfer> Strange… I don’t particularly need that, but it’s weird that it’s not included

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L544[09:42:40] <Ordinastie_> mojang only does what they need

L545[09:42:47] <Ordinastie_> so if they don't need smart, you don't get smart

L546[09:43:10] <JamEngulfer> :(

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L548[09:45:19] <Ordinastie_> but yes, you need to redo all your neighbor calculations each time

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L551[09:46:24] <JamEngulfer> At least it’s better than doing the calculation each update

L552[09:46:32] <Ordinastie_> yup

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L554[09:49:00] <Pearle> o/ :D

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L595[10:29:56] <olee> can any1 tell my why now CommandBase.execute gets passed a MinecraftServer instance? is there any use for that?

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L597[10:30:41] <Koward> Wood, sapling, leaves have a metadata of 32767 when got from the Oredict. Why ?

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L599[10:33:30] <Ordinastie_> Koward, I think that's the WILDCARD

L600[10:33:51] <Ordinastie_> olee, because commands are executed on the server ?

L601[10:34:33] <gigaherz> Koward: it's the value of OreDictionary.WILDCARD_VALUE

L602[10:36:34] <Koward> Okay, makes sense.

L603[10:40:24] <gigaherz> hmmm

L604[10:40:24] <gigaherz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKnYBdgg7dc

L605[10:40:29] <gigaherz> I wonder what they did to cause this

L606[10:40:38] <gigaherz> he speaks of it being ona "global timer" but his description doesn't match

L607[10:40:49] <gigaherz> sounds more like they switched to using wall-clock delays for the timers

L608[10:41:09] <williewillus> what delays? :P

L609[10:41:16] <gigaherz> hoppers don't send items every tick

L610[10:41:21] <gigaherz> they work every X ticks

L611[10:41:41] <gigaherz> they have a transferCooldown right now

L612[10:41:48] <gigaherz> but apparently in one of the snapshots that changed

L613[10:41:50] <gigaherz> watch the vid

L614[10:42:07] <gigaherz> the timings for hoppers appear to be inconsistent in the snapshot

L615[10:42:28] <williewillus> oh jeb said in the linked bug ticket it's aligned to the game tick now

L616[10:42:33] <williewillus> hence global timer

L617[10:42:53] <williewillus> https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MC-105560?focusedCommentId=324518&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-324518

L618[10:43:36] <gigaherz> yep

L619[10:43:44] <gigaherz> "etho clocks" and such aree completely inconsistent now

L620[10:44:04] <gigaherz> can't rely on 3 items = 24 ticks periot

L621[10:44:07] <gigaherz> period*

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L624[10:45:28] <gigaherz> williewillus: I wonder what this alignment is supposed to mean :/

L625[10:45:34] <williewillus> worldtime % 4

L626[10:45:56] <williewillus> instead of transferCooldown = 4

L627[10:46:00] <gigaherz> I see

L628[10:46:01] <gigaherz> but

L629[10:46:15] <williewillus> id rather have the old bug back lol

L630[10:46:21] <gigaherz> how does that make the "etho clocks" activate so inconsistently?

L631[10:46:41] <gigaherz> shouldn't this make them MORE stable?

L632[10:46:55] <gigaherz> that's what confuses me

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L634[10:54:09] <masa> hmm, doesn't it mean the cooldown period is now variable depending on when the item arrives to the hopper?

L635[10:55:50] <gigaherz> yes

L636[10:56:21] <williewillus> the tradeoff is too great for this "fix"

L637[10:56:31] <williewillus> and it also doesnt make sense from a logical standpoint :P

L638[10:56:33] <gigaherz> I'm not even sure what that fixes

L639[10:56:34] <masa> mojang sure are doing a fine job... 1.9 and 1.10 are too broken for me to update my vanilal server, and 1.11 might have fixed some of those issues, and now they break redstone so badly that it is another blocker for an upgrade

L640[10:56:46] <williewillus> gigaherz: that ticket I linked above

L641[10:56:54] <williewillus> the fix for it caused this

L642[10:57:01] <gigaherz> yes I know

L643[10:57:03] <gigaherz> I mean

L644[10:57:11] <gigaherz> I don't know how the issue is fixed by this ;P

L645[10:57:40] <williewillus> probably something to do with whatre they called, shadow chunks or something where you're right on the edge and TE ticks are strange

L646[10:57:46] <williewillus> i don't know :P

L647[10:57:55] <gigaherz> wait nevermind

L648[10:57:56] <gigaherz> The bug in this particular case was that the two neighboring hoppers would get almost exactly the same cooldown tick. This meant that instead of hopping the item every ~4 ticks, the item would stay in either hopper 7 or 8 ticks and in the other one 1 or 0 ticks. The comparator is not updated frequently enough to notice this, so it looked stuck.

L649[10:58:08] <masa> "The comparator is not updated frequently enough to notice this, so it looked stuck."

L650[10:58:14] <masa> so was the bug visual only?

L651[10:58:18] <gigaherz> no

L652[10:58:23] <gigaherz> the issue is the comparator for one side would be like

L653[10:58:40] <gigaherz> [0]->1->0...[0]

L654[10:58:47] <gigaherz> where []is the comparator measuring the items

L655[10:59:00] <gigaherz> it wouldn't have time to see an item for long enough to become active

L656[10:59:05] <williewillus> ah

L657[10:59:12] <gigaherz> while the other would be like

L658[10:59:20] <gigaherz> [1]->0->1-...[1]

L659[10:59:21] <williewillus> because redstone components only update every other tick

L660[10:59:28] <gigaherz> not long enough for it to notice the 0 and become inactive

L661[11:00:02] <gigaherz> basically two hoppers having their cooldown cycle offset by 1 or 2

L662[11:00:20] <gigaherz> 1 or 3* which is 1

L663[11:00:21] <gigaherz> ;P

L664[11:00:26] <gigaherz> so offset by 1

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L668[11:04:44] <Koward> I replaced EntityItem with my own class at EntityJoinWorldEvent. Could I do the same with EntityPlayer or would it impossible ? As there are things like EntityPlayerMP next to it, I'm not sure

L669[11:07:27] <TechnicianLP> what are you trying to do to the player?

L670[11:09:21] <williewillus> yeah start with your objective

L671[11:09:33] <williewillus> replacing a player entity class is usually not the best of ideas :P

L672[11:09:48] <JamEngulfer> Is it safe to save the ordinal of an Enum in NBT data for a block? Or should I do a switch statement on the Enum and return a set value?

L673[11:10:06] <Koward> Mainly I'd like to edit onLivingUpdate(), which holds the logic for countless things like movement speed or healing

L674[11:10:18] <williewillus> Koward: edit how so?

L675[11:10:23] <williewillus> precisely what do you need changed

L676[11:10:29] <williewillus> JamEngulfer: what kind of even is this?

L677[11:10:33] <williewillus> *enum

L678[11:10:36] <williewillus> idk how even came out

L679[11:10:42] <TechnicianLP> the ordinals normally dont change ... (but ad a range check)

L680[11:11:11] <williewillus> yeah if its something that would never change like enumfacing youre fine but otherwise be wary of it changing on you

L681[11:11:29] <Pearle> ps, willie, my modding group wants to make a mod that fucks up the progression of botania

L682[11:11:33] <Pearle> thoughts? :L

L683[11:12:02] <JamEngulfer> williewillus: It’s a custom one to represent different types of power in a tileentity. There’s a good chance I’ll edit the Enum in the future to add more

L684[11:12:03] <gigaherz> the ordinals do change

L685[11:12:11] <gigaherz> if you reorder the enum members between versions

L686[11:12:11] <gigaherz> ;P

L687[11:12:27] <JamEngulfer> Yeah, that’s what I’m afraid of

L688[11:12:27] <gigaherz> however it's generally safe ;P

L689[11:12:34] <williewillus> Pearle: the way you word it already makes me not like it, but what do you mean by that?

L690[11:12:46] <williewillus> also I don't have control over what you guys do or don't do, the community does by choosing to play it or not

L691[11:12:49] <williewillus> :P

L692[11:12:53] <Pearle> fair enough

L693[11:12:54] <gigaherz> JamEngulfer: if the enum is IStringSerializable

L694[11:12:58] <gigaherz> then use the name for it

L695[11:13:07] <Pearle> just thought you might have some suggestions to make it easier for everyone :L

L696[11:13:08] <williewillus> gigaherz: but how do you map that back to the enum object 0.o

L697[11:13:17] <gigaherz> williewillus: iterate VALUES

L698[11:13:20] <JamEngulfer> Won’t that take up a lot of disk space?

L699[11:13:25] <gigaherz> and .equals(getName)

L700[11:13:30] <gigaherz> or rather

L701[11:13:35] <gigaherz> getName().equals(value)

L702[11:13:35] <williewillus> could build a lookup map

L703[11:13:39] <gigaherz> to avoid NPEs

L704[11:13:47] <gigaherz> or yes

L705[11:13:54] <williewillus> Pearle: suggestions for what lol

L706[11:13:55] <gigaherz> make a Map<String,it> at startup

L707[11:14:25] <JamEngulfer> I’ll just go with a switch statement in a method

L708[11:14:43] <williewillus> switching on what? :P

L709[11:14:51] <olee> Ordinastie_: but you can get the server via MinecraftServer.getServer()

L710[11:15:00] <JamEngulfer> on the enum, duh

L711[11:15:02] <gigaherz> JamEngulfer: that's like theworst possible option?

L712[11:15:09] <gigaherz> what about new values? ;P

L713[11:15:21] <JamEngulfer> I’ll just add them to the switch!

L714[11:15:28] <JamEngulfer> It’s fiiine

L715[11:15:52] <williewillus> default: :P

L716[11:16:18] <Koward> I want first to multiply EntityPlayer.jumpMovementFactor

L717[11:16:20] <JamEngulfer> I’ll just remember new ones. Nothing will go wrong

L718[11:16:23] <JamEngulfer> I promise :P

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L720[11:16:49] <williewillus> Koward: jump boost is a thing :P

L721[11:17:56] <gigaherz> What the.... there's a QUEUE

L722[11:18:01] <gigaherz> to open the LAUNCHER for battle.net

L723[11:18:05] <gigaherz> not the games

L724[11:18:07] <gigaherz> the LAUNCHER

L725[11:18:19] <williewillus> lolwat

L726[11:18:20] <JamEngulfer> XD

L727[11:18:26] <JamEngulfer> what in the heck?

L728[11:19:53] <gigaherz> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/743491/battlenetlauncher.PNG

L729[11:20:30] <gigaherz> that < 1 minute

L730[11:20:35] <gigaherz> has been going on for over 2

L731[11:20:36] <gigaherz> ;P

L732[11:21:02] <williewillus> i have resolved myself to never look at the source of mods i really like, because usually i find something terrible there xD

L733[11:21:25] <Koward> I'd also want to multiple getDigSpeed but there's already an event for that

L734[11:21:43] <williewillus> Koward: and haste effect :P

L735[11:21:55] <JamEngulfer> williewillus: Never meet your hero’s code?

L736[11:22:06] <williewillus> for example extra alchemy addds a bunch of cool potion effects...but it manually scans the reggistry to find a free int id

L737[11:22:11] <williewillus> instead of using the FML auto-assign

L738[11:22:24] <TechnicianLP> williewillus: https://github.com/brandon3055/Draconic-Evolution/blob/master/src/main/java/com/brandon3055/draconicevolution/common/handler/FMLEventHandler.java#L36

L739[11:22:26] <Koward> But it would pollutes the GUI

L740[11:22:28] <williewillus> it works but just y

L741[11:22:52] <williewillus> TechnicianLP: wtf

L742[11:23:11] <TechnicianLP> that handler needs a lot of ticking ...

L743[11:23:19] <gigaherz> a whole lot!

L744[11:23:23] <JamEngulfer> TechnicianLP: Explain why that’s so wrong?

L745[11:23:34] <TechnicianLP> it is ticked ~40 per second

L746[11:23:40] <JamEngulfer> good lord....

L747[11:23:42] <williewillus> retrieving contributor stuff is something you do once

L748[11:23:54] <Koward> williewillus If I could change foodStats without reflection that'd be great

L749[11:24:08] <Koward> And I could if I overrided EntityPlayer

L750[11:24:13] <raoulvdberge> How can I check if a chunk is loaded, serverside?

L751[11:24:15] <diesieben07> it's not really that's ticking 40 times a second. it's that it's called "serverTick", implying the intention, but that method also receives client and render ticks...

L752[11:24:41] <williewillus> raoulvdberge: isBlockLoaded(Block Pos)

L753[11:24:43] <raoulvdberge> Currently I'm doing worldObj.getChunkFromBlockCoords(pos).isLoaded(), but I think thats clientside only?

L754[11:24:59] <williewillus> or world.isChunkLoaded( chunkX, chunkZ)

L755[11:25:03] <TechnicianLP> Koward: http://www.minecraftforge.net/wiki/Using_Access_Transformers

L756[11:25:14] <williewillus> use methodhandles

L757[11:25:37] <williewillus> and don't try to replace the player entity you will break absolutely everything

L758[11:25:40] <williewillus> literally :P

L759[11:26:10] <Koward> I already use reflection, but I was looking for a nicer method. It feels so clunky. I change the foodStats field, it works, but I also have to make events at logout to manually save the NBT, it's so clunky

L760[11:26:31] <gigaherz> wat

L761[11:26:35] <williewillus> ???

L762[11:26:42] <gigaherz> can't you use a capability for managing it?

L763[11:26:42] <Koward> @SubscribeEvent

L764[11:26:42] <Koward> public void saveFoodSystem(PlayerLoggedOutEvent event) {

L765[11:26:42] <Koward> event.player.getFoodStats().writeNBT(event.player.getEntityData());

L766[11:26:42] <Koward> }

L767[11:26:44] <williewillus> are you replacing the foodstats object with something entirely different?

L768[11:26:47] <Koward> That should not happen

L769[11:26:58] <Koward> Yes, with a class extending FoodStats

L770[11:27:05] <gigaherz> o_O

L771[11:27:16] <williewillus> then the standard saving should save it properly

L772[11:27:26] <williewillus> if it's not saving that means your extension class is not saving properly

L773[11:28:05] <gigaherz> wait if you replace foodstats

L774[11:28:07] <diesieben07> and that writing to getEntityData is... very questionable

L775[11:28:10] <gigaherz> are you forwarding the calls to the original?

L776[11:28:13] <diesieben07> i don't think you know what getEntityData does.

L777[11:28:15] <gigaherz> otherwise

L778[11:28:19] <williewillus> and yes

L779[11:28:21] <gigaherz> any other mod that does thesame as you will break

L780[11:28:29] <williewillus> that's not getEntityData is supposed to be used for :P

L781[11:29:19] <williewillus> getEntityData is for a custom *modded* tag. foodstats is vanilla data and is stored with all the vanilla tags. If your extrension class is composing the original properly everything should just work (tm)

L782[11:29:36] <Koward> I indeed keep data of original

L783[11:29:38] <JamEngulfer> Hey, do we have guaranteed access to the Google Commons library?

L784[11:29:48] <williewillus> Koward: you don't keep anything... :P

L785[11:29:53] <williewillus> you mean you compose the original object?

L786[11:29:56] <williewillus> JamEngulfer: yes

L787[11:30:02] <JamEngulfer> neat

L788[11:30:25] <JamEngulfer> Just wondering, in case it was something that might be removed without warning

L789[11:30:27] <williewillus> every lib you see in a decomp workspace is available to you at runtime (besides vecmath i think? there was a special one somewhre). plus obvious stuff like the sound codecs

L790[11:30:40] <williewillus> which won't be on dediserver

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L792[11:31:13] <Koward> I just read its NBT

L793[11:31:23] <williewillus> wat

L794[11:31:50] <Koward> I mean, I deserialize it now for a few days, diesieben affirms it keeps more.

L795[11:31:52] <williewillus> are you not composing it? (hold the orignal in a field and forward eveyrthing to it)

L796[11:31:52] <diesieben07> so many people don't understand NBT -.-

L797[11:32:30] <Koward> No, as I'm editing every single method I don't have anything to forward.

L798[11:33:23] <Koward> I'm editing the maximum amount of food for example, from 20 to 60, allowing more intermediate levels of hunger.

L799[11:33:50] <williewillus> that's not "every single method" :P

L800[11:33:51] <Koward> I don't expect compatibility with anything that would try to also edit that.

L801[11:33:53] <williewillus> but whatever

L802[11:34:26] <williewillus> diesieben07: more people don't know how to compose in a comptaible way :P (coughs at reach distance-modifying mods)

L803[11:34:36] <williewillus> though that really needs to jyust be an attribute mojang pls

L804[11:35:28] <williewillus> botania currently does a pretty ugly thing to modify reach distance and i haven't had time or motivation to fix it lol

L805[11:35:55] <Koward> No I'm also changing onUpdate, all the getters (since I define my own private fields with higher numbers), lots of things.

L806[11:36:01] <Koward> Compatibility is quite overrated

L807[11:36:11] <williewillus> lol

L808[11:36:13] <williewillus> i'm done

L809[11:36:26] <williewillus> if it's overrated then don't use forge and make it a jar mod :P

L810[11:36:29] <Koward> Sometimes things just can't live together x)

L811[11:37:00] <TechnicianLP> if you dont want compatibility you can use this: http://www.minecraftforge.net/wiki/Core_Mod but dont come here if something breaks ...

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L813[11:37:14] <williewillus> TechnicianLP: no you don't use forge if you don't want compat :P

L814[11:37:30] <Koward> I don't want to break things for the sake of breaking things

L815[11:37:41] <TechnicianLP> thats another option ...

L816[11:38:38] <williewillus> Koward: either way, the way you compose i do't really care about but saving to getEntityData is downright incorrect. the writeToNBT and readToNBT methods are all you need

L817[11:39:10] <raoulvdberge> When is TileEntity#invalidate called?

L818[11:39:23] <williewillus> find usages in your ide :P

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L820[11:40:10] <Koward> Where should I point write/readToNBT if not to EntityData like I'm doing right now ?

L821[11:40:20] <raoulvdberge> williewillus: that only shows from my own project usages :P

L822[11:40:31] <williewillus> you can change it to do libraries

L823[11:40:34] <TechnicianLP> Koward: ouch

L824[11:41:11] <williewillus> Koward: what do you think that little parameter you get passed in those two methods is for? :P

L825[11:41:38] <TechnicianLP> decoration!

L826[11:41:49] <williewillus> lmao

L827[11:42:31] <williewillus> MC takes care of calling writeToNBT/readFromNBT for you, you jiust have to do the right thing in it

L828[11:42:44] <williewillus> and the vanilla foodstats class shows you an example

L829[11:42:48] <Koward> So even though I add no new tags (and the vanilla values of those are useless to me), instead of using EntityData I should just do my own compound. That's what you're telling me ?

L830[11:42:58] <williewillus> no...

L831[11:43:08] <williewillus> you should never be calling read/write yourself on FoodStats

L832[11:43:19] <williewillus> just save stuff to the compound that is passed in

L833[11:43:48] <Koward> Oh I see.

L834[11:43:58] <gigaherz> haveyou never implemented an entity or tileentity?

L835[11:44:16] <williewillus> we need rtd on how saving works lol

L836[11:44:18] <Koward> I know what you mean now

L837[11:44:29] <Koward> Oh that was a terrible misunderstanding

L838[11:44:37] <williewillus> heh nbd

L839[11:46:16] <Koward> I already do properly override the writeNBT&readNBT. If I remember well for some reason they do not get called at all. Which is my problem.

L840[11:47:06] <williewillus> they should be called by EntityPlayer's read/writenbt, stick a breakpoint in there or something

L841[11:47:20] <williewillus> it's possible you are replacing foodstats too late and read/write has already been called on the original

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L843[11:48:44] <Koward> The read, probalbly, but the writing should happen after

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L848[11:52:20] <diesieben07> Koward, where are you replacing it?

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L850[11:55:22] <JamEngulfer> Hmm, how would I go about finding if a block is a water/lava block or not?

L851[11:56:02] <diesieben07> check the material

L852[11:56:56] <Pearle> or check if it extends BlockFluid(Classic?)

L853[11:58:24] <JamEngulfer> Ah, I didn’t mean if it’s a liquid or not. I meant checking specifically if it’s water or specifically if it’s lava

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L855[11:59:37] <Pearle> yeah. just a thought.

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L857[12:02:48] <JamEngulfer> I’ve seen solutions for 1.7, but nothing for 1.8

L858[12:04:25] <Corosus> material checking, has lava vs water materials

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L860[12:04:57] <Corosus> eg datBlock.getMaterial(state) == Material.LAVA

L861[12:07:56] <JamEngulfer> Oh right, I didn’t realise the materials worked like that. whoops

L862[12:08:07] <sham1> o/

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L865[12:11:43] <Koward> diesieben07 EntityJoinWorldEvent

L866[12:11:51] <diesieben07> yeah thats too late.

L867[12:12:15] <Koward> So when I replace it I read the NBT from EntityData.

L868[12:12:28] <diesieben07> that won't work.

L869[12:12:45] <diesieben07> you need something earlier, maybe entityconstructing

L870[12:12:47] <Koward> Maybe I could write original to a compound, then read the new on it. To copy data, I mean

L871[12:12:53] <diesieben07> but thats too early, since itÄs in the superconstructor... hrm

L872[12:13:12] <diesieben07> don't have access to my IDE at the moment because my computer is dead

L873[12:13:19] <diesieben07> so you'll have to find a hook yourself

L874[12:13:54] <JamEngulfer> rip computer

L875[12:13:58] <Koward> I'm not sure there is. I have also looked into other mods that do what I'm trying to achieve, such as TerraFirmaCraft, and they have the same solution as me

L876[12:14:14] <diesieben07> that is a lie, since then your solution would work :P

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L878[12:14:41] <Koward> It works, if I do all the things manually :P

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L880[12:15:06] <Ordinastie_> where is the bus for FML events again ?

L881[12:15:09] <Koward> But it's also limited to food. If wrapping EntityPlayer had been possible, it would have seemed better in my mind

L882[12:15:14] <diesieben07> Ordinastie_, it's gone.

L883[12:15:27] <Ordinastie_> I mean the mod events

L884[12:15:31] <Ordinastie_> FML loading

L885[12:15:39] <Ordinastie_> it's gone too ?

L886[12:15:54] <diesieben07> oh

L887[12:15:55] <diesieben07> uhhh

L888[12:15:59] <diesieben07> not sure if you get access to that bus

L889[12:16:05] <diesieben07> because there is one per mod

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L891[12:18:02] <Ordinastie_> it's private :(

L892[12:18:21] <diesieben07> why do you want it?

L893[12:19:14] <Ordinastie_> have my client registry registered in it

L894[12:19:26] <Ordinastie_> so I don't have to get the instance from my mod container

L895[12:19:45] <diesieben07> ehm... what? :O

L896[12:19:49] <diesieben07> oh

L897[12:20:04] <diesieben07> you want to receive Fml events outside of your mod?

L898[12:20:33] <McJty> Going to ask a question again for which I got no answer so far

L899[12:20:35] <Ordinastie_> outisde of the mod class yes

L900[12:20:45] <McJty> Why are all dimensions only unloading after the first time you visit it?

L901[12:20:48] <McJty> Like nether and end

L902[12:20:53] <Ordinastie_> and tbh, I think that's how proxies should have been done too

L903[12:20:56] <McJty> You have to visit them once and only then do they unload

L904[12:21:07] <diesieben07> don't you have a coremod already anyways ordi? in that case you get the bus in registerBus

L905[12:21:36] <Ordinastie_> I have a plugin, but the mod itself is a regular @Mod

L906[12:22:50] <diesieben07> you could subscribe to just FMLEvent and then put that into your own bus

L907[12:23:14] <Ordinastie_> hum?

L908[12:23:25] <Ordinastie_> but events need to fire for that bus

L909[12:23:28] <diesieben07> in your mod class handle ALL the events

L910[12:23:32] <diesieben07> in one method

L911[12:23:38] <Ordinastie_> meh

L912[12:23:41] <diesieben07> and then re-post them on your own bus, to which everyone cna subscribe

L913[12:25:46] <Ordinastie_> I love how far I get side tracked when refactoring :/

L914[12:26:36] <Koward> You were right diesieben, I just checked again and I'm a lier. TFC, at each LivingUpdateEvent 1)create new FoodStats 2) readNBT(getEntityData) 3) call onUpdate() 4) writeNBT(getEntityData).

L915[12:26:49] <diesieben07> that is horrible

L916[12:26:52] <Koward> I'm not sure that's very elegant

L917[12:26:52] <Ordinastie_> ewww

L918[12:26:53] <diesieben07> please don't copy that

L919[12:26:55] <Ordinastie_> lol

L920[12:27:46] <Koward> Oh, and I know that from here : https://github.com/Deadrik/TFCraft/blob/master/src/Common/com/bioxx/tfc/Handlers/EntityLivingHandler.java , https://github.com/Deadrik/TFCraft/blob/master/src/Common/com/bioxx/tfc/Handlers/EntityLivingHandler.java

L921[12:28:39] <Koward> It's bad, but it does not use any AT or ASM.

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L924[12:31:36] <robotbrain> is there an example of a persistent capability?

L925[12:32:13] <shadekiller666> is there a way to set the AxisAlignedBB of any given block?

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L928[12:33:59] <Ordinastie_> shadekiller666, if they're not yours, no

L929[12:34:14] <shadekiller666> ok

L930[12:39:14] <gigaherz> even before, where there was a setbounds, it wasn't meant to be used from outside

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L932[12:44:52] <Ordinastie_> diesieben07, the issue with forwarding the events is that i would need to do that for every mod I want that behavior, I cna't have centralized dispatch

L933[12:44:58] <Ordinastie_> (if I care about mod load order)

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L937[12:53:33] <shadekiller666> if i wanted to detect when a vanilla block is broken in a specific area (without checking the area periodically), would having an entity that occupies that area and intercepts the left click (and doing some raytrace math to determine what was supposed to be broken) be a viable option?

L938[12:53:56] <shadekiller666> or would there be a simpler (or potentially faster) way of doing so

L939[12:59:04] <BordListian> check block harvest event or similar

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L941[12:59:40] <shadekiller666> how about block activation (ie. right clicking a furnace to open its gui)

L942[13:00:04] <BordListian> BlockInteract event

L943[13:00:07] <BordListian> i think

L944[13:04:13] <shadekiller666> i suppose it could be done with a combination PlayerInteractEvent and BlockEvent handler

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L952[13:38:58] <TechnicianLP> !gm drawSlot

L953[13:38:58] <williewillus> can't you just ues BlockEvent.Break?

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L963[14:36:08] <Koward> I want to make a map ItemStack => Float, where I can store item variants (defined metadata) but also weapons for instance (all metadata), would it be safe to just set a Wildcard metadata when not specified and try the item with it when the first peek did not work, or would some special Items not like it

L964[14:36:09] <Koward> ?

L965[14:36:28] <sham1> Breathe

L966[14:36:45] <sham1> Take a deep breathe and explain to us what you want to do

L967[14:36:51] * Koward breathe in the air

L968[14:37:09] <sham1> Because this could be an XY problem

L969[14:37:26] <Koward> I'm adding weight for items. Simple, classic.

L970[14:37:37] <sham1> Sounds fun

L971[14:37:59] <Koward> Everything is ready, but as you can guess the weight values for each item must be stored somewhere, somehow.

L972[14:38:06] <sham1> L

L973[14:38:11] <sham1> Okay

L974[14:38:30] <sham1> What about storing the weights to the Itemstack's nbt

L975[14:38:45] <sham1> So each stack could have its own weight

L976[14:40:20] <sham1> And then you could just map each Item instance to a "base weight"

L977[14:40:33] <Koward> The idea is to attribute a weight to each item, and variants of course.

L978[14:41:03] <diesieben07> well, first of all, a Map will not work for oyu

L979[14:41:03] <Koward> Well with this map the weight of an actual stack is just number*weight

L980[14:41:10] <diesieben07> since ItemStacks don't override equals or hashCode

L981[14:41:13] <Koward> Okay, good to know.

L982[14:41:21] <diesieben07> so you basically need a List<Pair<ItemStack, Float>>

L983[14:41:29] <Koward> I expected it when I saw OreDict's code

L984[14:41:35] <diesieben07> and then iterate and check every stack with OreDictionary.itemMatches until you find one that matches

L985[14:41:41] <diesieben07> that would also support the wildcard metadata

L986[14:41:46] <diesieben07> but it does not compare NBT at all

L987[14:41:51] <sham1> "Java has no tupples" they said

L988[14:42:12] <sham1> s/tupples/tuples/

L989[14:42:15] <diesieben07> no proper tuples :D

L990[14:42:25] <diesieben07> you always have to box, which sucks

L991[14:42:38] * diesieben07 points to project valhalla

L992[14:42:50] <sham1> Til Valhalla?

L993[14:43:27] <Koward> You suggest to iterate around a List each time I want to query a weight ?

L994[14:43:40] <diesieben07> yep

L995[14:43:51] <diesieben07> what you can do if you get a performance problem is:

L996[14:44:05] <diesieben07> Map<Item,List<Pair<ItemStack, Float>>>

L997[14:44:07] <sham1> Note. dom

L998[14:44:12] <diesieben07> and have a List per item

L999[14:44:26] <sham1> don't do this now as it is premature optimisation at this point

L1000[14:44:54] <sham1> Only after you have verified your performance problems

L1001[14:45:15] <Koward> Premature optimisation, but this time there's a bit of readibility involved, but no problem, I don't have a better solution after all.

L1002[14:46:23] <Koward> Mmm what if I had a Map<Item, <Map<Integer (metadata), Float>>

L1003[14:46:30] <sham1> And honestly, iterating a list should not be too bad of a performance drop

L1004[14:46:55] <diesieben07> you could do that, yes

L1005[14:47:12] <diesieben07> but at that point a cleaner solution would be Map<ItemMetadataTuple, Float>

L1006[14:47:19] <Wuppy> anyone got a link to that big youtuber speaking out against kinguin & g2a?

L1007[14:47:24] <diesieben07> where ItemMetadataTuple is your classw, tih proper equals and hashcode

L1008[14:47:26] <Wuppy> I dont remember which youtuber it was anymore

L1009[14:47:41] <Koward> And then easy methods that decompose the ItemStack and if not found, I try with new ItemStack(stack.getItem(), OreDict.WILDCARD)

L1010[14:48:05] <diesieben07> you could do that, yes

L1011[14:48:16] <diesieben07> remember though like sham said, iterating a list is not as bad as you think

L1012[14:48:29] <diesieben07> vanilla crafting recipes iterate the whole list of recipes every time you check

L1013[14:49:57] <Pearle> o/

L1014[14:50:04] <sham1> \o

L1015[14:50:19] <sham1> \_o< quack

L1016[14:50:26] <Pearle> :D

L1017[14:51:09] <sham1> Oh stackoverflow, why you no have night theme

L1018[14:51:17] <Pearle> you know, if I had an anti-grav bike,

L1019[14:51:23] <Pearle> it'd drive me up the wall.

L1020[14:51:25] <Pearle> 7

L1021[14:51:33] <Pearle> damnit HexChat!

L1022[14:51:38] <sham1> hah

L1023[14:51:41] <sham1> hah

L1024[14:51:42] <sham1> hah

L1025[14:52:38] <Pearle> where'd you find a one-legged dog?

L1026[14:52:54] <Koward> What is happening

L1027[14:53:15] <Pearle> i'm raising the mood of stuff

L1028[14:53:20] <Pearle> it's my thing.

L1029[14:53:28] <Pearle> At night, we'd all just have a laff

L1030[14:53:54] <Pearle> i bought a book on anti-gravity

L1031[14:53:57] <Pearle> i couldnt put it down

L1032[14:53:59] <Koward> So much mood, I'm overwhelmed

L1033[14:54:09] <sham1> foo

L1034[14:54:10] <sham1> bar

L1035[14:54:11] <sham1> baz

L1036[14:54:13] <sham1> barf

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L1038[14:54:36] <diesieben07> quuz

L1039[14:55:13] <sham1> Best way to name your variables is by making references to Monty Python

L1040[14:55:36] <Pearle> why is gold on the wind?

L1041[14:55:41] <Pearle> because it's August

L1042[14:55:44] <howtonotwin> If I had an anti-grav biked I'd clearly use it to save the life of the woman who died in front of my very eyes twice. :P

L1043[14:55:47] <sham1> mej

L1044[14:55:50] <sham1> meh

L1045[14:55:56] <Pearle> Au GUsT

L1046[14:55:59] <Pearle> damnit

L1047[14:56:05] <Pearle> Au GUST CORAL

L1048[14:56:06] <Pearle> Au GUST

L1049[14:56:13] <sham1> augustus caesar

L1050[14:56:16] <sham1> aka octavius

L1051[14:57:53] <Pearle> we had a contest for best neckwear

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L1053[14:57:55] <Pearle> it was a tie

L1054[14:58:16] <sham1> ...

L1055[14:58:19] <howtonotwin> Client for URLs: please no

L1056[14:58:57] <Pearle> what does a tree do to go on the internet

L1057[14:59:01] <Pearle> it logs on

L1058[14:59:23] * sham1 breathes deeply

L1059[15:00:16] <howtonotwin> DELETE /~Curle HTTP/1.1

L1060[15:00:21] <howtonotwin> Host: @host86-168-198-38.range86-168.btcentralplus.com

L1061[15:00:22] <howtonotwin> Connection: close

L1062[15:00:28] <Pearle> oi

L1063[15:00:32] <Pearle> wrong person

L1064[15:00:35] <sham1> wat

L1065[15:00:47] <howtonotwin> slightly malformed HTTP delete request xD

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L1067[15:00:52] <Pearle> i'm Pearle. There's a difference

L1068[15:00:57] <sham1> slightly

L1069[15:01:09] <howtonotwin> Your user field says otherwise ;)

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L1071[15:01:22] <howtonotwin> User: ~Curle@host86-168-198-38.range86-168.btcentralplus.com

L1072[15:01:23] <Pearle> The difference is that this is a different computer

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L1074[15:01:33] <Pearle> Curle is my computer's user name :L

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L1078[15:03:37] <sham1> weird

L1079[15:03:47] <Pearle> hm?

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L1081[15:04:16] <sham1> It's silent here

L1082[15:04:46] <sham1> Usually at this time there is discussions ad nauseum

L1083[15:05:06] <howtonotwin> scala vs java

L1084[15:05:08] <howtonotwin> discuss

L1085[15:05:10] <howtonotwin> xD

L1086[15:05:15] <sham1> haskell

L1087[15:05:17] <Pearle> uhm

L1088[15:05:20] <Pearle> scala is a mistake

L1089[15:05:26] <Pearle> eof

L1090[15:06:13] <PitchBright> any of the minecraftforge.net mods/admins around?

L1091[15:06:18] <sham1> I don't like that the bind in scala is not called >>= or even bind

L1092[15:06:55] <sham1> Because no monad as a base trait for stuff

L1093[15:07:19] <PitchBright> (forums)

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L1096[15:11:06] <howtonotwin> Doing something similar isn't hard though. Define `trait Monad[M[_]]` that supports unit/return and >>=/bind/flatMap, and define several `implicit object OptionMonad extends Monad[Option]` that represents those ops on a type, here `Option`. Additionally, why does bind being called flatMap stop you from making a Monad base trait?

L1097[15:12:40] <howtonotwin> You can then generalize functions to all monads by writing their signatures as this: `def foo[M : Monad](in: M[Input]): M[Output]`

L1098[15:12:42] <sham1> well nothing really

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L1101[15:16:52] <sham1> I was refering to the fact that no such base trate does not exist

L1102[15:21:19] <howtonotwin> well there's FilterMonadic, but yes that's a valid point.

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L1106[15:27:54] <sham1> Well, there is no Functor trait either so...

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L1115[16:08:02] <Koward> Why are non valid ItemStacks even possible ?

L1116[16:08:30] <Koward> Should Item.getItemFromBlock not throw some exception right away ?

L1117[16:09:15] <Ordinastie_> how would you know if there is an item for that block before calling it ?

L1118[16:09:32] <Ordinastie_> YOU should check for the item before creating the itemStack

L1119[16:13:35] <diesieben07> i agree there should be a nullcheck in the ItemStack cstr

L1120[16:13:48] <diesieben07> item is null? throw IllegalArgumentException

L1121[16:13:56] <diesieben07> instead of some random ass NPE some time later

L1122[16:15:00] <Ordinastie_> true

L1123[16:19:00] <TechnicianLP> how would i change to a different itemmodel based on the gui it is displayed in?

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L1125[16:19:58] <diesieben07> your item? and what do you mean by "based on the gui"? differnet inventories show the items differently?

L1126[16:20:57] <TechnicianLP> my item (for now at least) - i have the default "inventory" model but if i have a special gui open i want that model to be exchanged

L1127[16:21:37] <diesieben07> ok. implement IItemPropertyGetter. in there return 1 if the special GUI is open and 0 if not

L1128[16:21:48] <diesieben07> then add it to your item with a ResourceLocation that includes your ModID

L1129[16:21:56] <diesieben07> you can then reference this property in your item model

L1130[16:22:03] <diesieben07> see bow.json / ItemBow for vanilla examples

L1131[16:23:12] <Curle> i kinda broke the inventory system

L1132[16:23:12] <Curle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDeqVgAyiig

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L1134[16:23:29] <Curle> i was following one of McJty's tutorials too :L

L1135[16:23:35] <primetoxinz> LEL out of boredom I removed the grid lock from stacks on stacks

L1136[16:25:04] <ThePsionic> Curle: Is that the video being laggy or is my computer having a stroke

L1137[16:25:25] <Curle> my laptop freezes every 3 seconds and i don't know why

L1138[16:25:44] <howtonotwin> That needs to be checked out o_O

L1139[16:26:04] <Curle> i can live with it :L

L1140[16:26:37] <Curle> all i do is make a super complex mod with it :D

L1141[16:28:58] <Ordinastie_> or models ?

L1142[16:29:08] <Curle> minced

L1143[16:29:33] <TechnicianLP> diesieben07: thanks for pointing me in the right direction :) +1

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L1145[16:31:03] <diesieben07> did it work? :D

L1146[16:33:16] <TechnicianLP> didnt implement it yet ... but i looks like it would work

L1147[16:34:10] <diesieben07> ok :)

L1148[16:34:27] <diesieben07> it even works for items that are not yours, but that gets a bit hackier :P

L1149[16:35:31] <TechnicianLP> just add the getter from outside and make the model reroute?

L1150[16:36:59] <diesieben07> well, not quite that easy, since you don't have access to the JSON

L1151[16:37:11] <diesieben07> so you have to add the property override to the model at runtime

L1152[16:37:20] <diesieben07> which requires a bit of reflection naughtyness

L1153[16:41:55] <TechnicianLP> adding the override at runtime .. ok (ill look into that one if i need it later)

L1154[16:43:57] <diesieben07> basically get the ItemOverrideList from the IBakedModel in ModelBakeEvent

L1155[16:44:08] <diesieben07> then get the List<ItemOverride> from that using reflectrion

L1156[16:44:11] <diesieben07> and add your own ItemOverride

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L1158[16:44:47] <TechnicianLP> wow thanks

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L1161[16:45:06] <diesieben07> np :)

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L1165[17:00:15] <Koward> Anyone have an idea how to change player's stepsound based on its armor ?

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L1167[17:13:51] <diesieben07> Koward, all i can think of is make a special sound event that is only used for the step sound. then listen for the PlaySoundAtEntityEvent, check for that sound and replace it based on armor

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L1170[17:23:52] <Koward> It's quite tricky since the sound produced could be anything depending on the block the player is on. So no way to identify it from PlaySoundAtEntityEvent I guess

L1171[17:24:50] <diesieben07> Koward, why not? you get the player...

L1172[17:25:46] <Koward> I get the player so I can rebuild the original SoundType, get the SoundEvent the same way and then compare it. You're a genius.

L1173[17:25:47] <diesieben07> plus you can make the sound event whatever you want...

L1174[17:26:01] <diesieben07> like, based on the SOundEvent you know the block

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L1176[17:26:06] <diesieben07> since you can make a SoundEvent per blocik

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L1178[17:35:40] <Koward> I was thinking more about getting block & pos from entity, since I can't get Block from SoundEvent as multiple blocks can have the same sound.

L1179[17:35:53] <diesieben07> are we not talking about just your blocks?

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L1181[17:36:57] <Koward> No. Any block.

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L1183[17:37:29] <diesieben07> ok one second. i might have something else for you.

L1184[17:37:40] <Koward> In a perfect world I would have edited Entity.playStepSound(BlockPos pos, Block blockIn)

L1185[17:38:21] <Koward> and just added a sound there based on getEquipmentAndArmor()

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L1188[17:46:54] <diesieben07> Koward, yeah, i don't think there is a good way for blocks taht aren't yours

L1189[17:47:51] <diesieben07> and with that... sleepytime

L1190[17:47:57] <Koward> It would require some event in Entity.playStepSound, just before the two playSound, with the Entity

L1191[17:48:28] <Koward> Yeah, me too. Thank you for your help, have a good night

L1192[17:48:37] <diesieben07> you too :) #

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L1202[18:06:04] <techbrew> \o sups all

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L1205[18:07:17] <techbrew> Anyone have recommendations on the optimal way for a mod to register itself as having a Resource Pack?

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L1215[18:23:54] <LexManos> it automatically does

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L1234[19:07:42] <tterrag> is it intended that when using an ExtendedBlockState all the block's normal states are extended too?

L1235[19:07:44] <tterrag> this doesn't seem right

L1236[19:07:51] <tterrag> it means that getClean() returns another IExtendedBlockState

L1237[19:08:04] <tterrag> but forge has patched BlockStateContainer

L1238[19:08:07] <tterrag> BlockStateContainer.StateImplementation blockstatecontainer$stateimplementation = createState(blockIn, ImmutableMap.copyOf(map1), unlistedProperties);

L1239[19:08:12] <tterrag> which shoves extended states into the normalMap

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L1242[19:11:28] <zuul4242xyz> hello

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L1245[19:15:32] <tterrag> fry|sleep: can you explain how extended states are meant to be used?

L1246[19:18:12] <Ordinastie_> it's states with properties that are not fully resolved in the validStates

L1247[19:18:43] <Ordinastie_> but you can still query them for when you need them like model rendering

L1248[19:18:45] <tterrag> Ordinastie_: believe me I know what it *is*

L1249[19:18:50] <Ordinastie_> ah

L1250[19:18:51] <tterrag> but not how it's meant to be used

L1251[19:19:01] <tterrag> because the way I'm currently using it, fills our clean states with extended instances

L1252[19:19:07] <tterrag> and that's not good

L1253[19:19:14] <tterrag> because we lose identity comparability

L1254[19:19:21] <Ordinastie_> you have a method to get the clean state back

L1255[19:19:34] <tterrag> m8 read what I said

L1256[19:19:37] <tterrag> <tterrag> it means that getClean() returns another IExtendedBlockState

L1257[19:19:58] <Ordinastie_> oh, I didn't notice you wrote something before sorry *_*

L1258[19:20:01] <tterrag> I'm stepping through the debug now and watching it fill the normalMap with extended states http://i.imgur.com/UN0iddc.png

L1259[19:20:38] <tterrag> all this code is terrible

L1260[19:20:46] <tterrag> it's impossible to read and bounces all over the place

L1261[19:20:58] <tterrag> it's the definition of "spaghetti"

L1262[19:21:14] <tterrag> not entirely forge's fault, but it certainly isn't making it better

L1263[19:22:56] <Ordinastie_> getClean() still returns an extended states, but it should only contain regular properties

L1264[19:24:29] <Ordinastie_> actually, no

L1265[19:24:48] <Ordinastie_> it returns StateImplementation

L1266[19:27:01] <Ordinastie_> but it does look more complicated that it needs to be

L1267[19:28:16] <tterrag> Ordinastie_: I'm telling you it's returning an ExtendedStateImplementation :x

L1268[19:29:00] <tterrag> I've fixed it by caching what getClean() returns as my reference state

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L1270[19:29:04] <tterrag> then I can still identity compare

L1271[19:29:05] <Ordinastie_> that means it violate the generic contract :x

L1272[19:29:12] <tterrag> but it's REALLY dumb that I get extended state at all

L1273[19:29:22] <tterrag> Ordinastie_: no...ExtendedStateImplementation is a child class

L1274[19:29:35] <Ordinastie_> ah yes, fuck

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L1276[19:31:21] <Ordinastie_> I don't even see where that normalMap is filled

L1277[19:32:08] <Ordinastie_> ah found it

L1278[19:32:36] <Ordinastie_> oh lol, that's what you wrote ><

L1279[19:32:41] <Ordinastie_> (should go to bed I think ><)

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L1281[19:37:22] <Ordinastie_> tterrag, what do you mean you lose identity comparability ?

L1282[19:37:53] <tterrag> extended states are not singletons

L1283[19:37:58] <tterrag> they could be equal but not the same instance

L1284[19:38:10] <tterrag> with normal IBlockStates you can ALWAYS rely on ==

L1285[19:38:22] <Ordinastie_> equals does == anyway

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L1287[19:39:46] <tterrag> that's the problem

L1288[19:40:07] <tterrag> I shouldn't have to call getClean() unless I'm in rendering. == should always work on any IBlockState

L1289[19:40:21] <Ordinastie_> setBlockState calls it too

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L1291[19:41:21] <Ordinastie_> it's all a mess, yes

L1292[19:41:42] * williewillus rages over people who return true from hasCap and null from getCap

L1293[19:42:08] <williewillus> wtf is so hard to understand if you don't have the cap don't return true >.>

L1294[19:42:55] <tterrag> http://i.imgur.com/x1TGf6e.png

L1295[19:43:00] <tterrag> still working out problems, but it's looking good so far :P

L1296[19:43:10] <tterrag> (no coal shouldn't be a phantom)

L1297[19:43:23] <Ordinastie_> what's even on the right ?

L1298[19:43:28] <RANKSHANK> lol who dun did it willie?

L1299[19:43:28] <tterrag> quartz lol

L1300[19:43:48] <tterrag> Ordinastie_: http://i.imgur.com/yNxaiIP.png

L1301[19:43:48] <williewillus> RANKSHANK: no idea because the crash is originating in my code

L1302[19:43:55] <Ordinastie_> oh

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L1304[19:43:58] <williewillus> but whoever's it is is an idiot

L1305[19:43:59] <tterrag> I'm just computing the differences between the ore and the background texture. it's not 100% perfect

L1306[19:44:00] <Ordinastie_> yeah, no :p

L1307[19:44:16] <tterrag> I don't think I'll ship quartz as a default

L1308[19:44:21] <RANKSHANK> crashed in your code? all the blame is yours then ;)

L1309[19:44:26] <tterrag> since I can't think of any mod that adds different stones to gen in the nether

L1310[19:44:29] <williewillus> the vanilla quartz texture is quite noisy now that I look at it

L1311[19:44:58] <tterrag> it deosn't even blend with netherrack well http://i.imgur.com/PiKxDq1.png

L1312[19:45:07] <tterrag> partly because of randomized textures

L1313[19:45:09] <tterrag> but still

L1314[19:45:27] <Ordinastie_> williewillus, just null check and then throw the NPE with the data from where you get the cap

L1315[19:45:52] <williewillus> *sighs angrily*

L1316[19:45:55] <Ordinastie_> with a big YELL AT THAT MORON => {block}

L1317[19:46:11] <Ordinastie_> then you can rage because people don't read logs anyway

L1318[19:46:28] <tterrag> or do something like call a method on the block with really dumb parameters that makes the top line in the log in their code ;)

L1319[19:47:58] <Ordinastie_> or reflectively remove random state ids from the map for the culprit mod :D

L1320[19:49:00] <Ordinastie_> god I understand why there are so many hackers, looks like it way more fun coding for evil :D

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L1323[19:52:46] <Ordinastie_> tterrag, I wonder, did the StateImplementation change since 1.8 ?

L1324[19:52:53] <tterrag> I don't think so

L1325[19:53:10] <Ordinastie_> it already add equals override to == ?

L1326[19:53:18] <Ordinastie_> *had

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L1328[19:53:46] <williewillus> well i mean it inherits the same thing from object

L1329[19:53:50] <williewillus> that override is redundant

L1330[19:54:11] <Ordinastie_> true

L1331[19:54:29] <Kaiyouka> Override ALL the things

L1332[19:54:53] <Ordinastie_> but that's why I tend to think they did override it before, and after, they just changed the impl

L1333[19:56:08] <Ordinastie_> nah, it was already ==

L1334[19:56:49] <Ordinastie_> well I don't know then

L1335[19:57:32] <Ordinastie_> tterrag, somehow, it still works when doing setBlockState, so maybe look at what's different thre

L1336[19:57:46] <tterrag> it uses extended states in the world too

L1337[19:58:07] <williewillus> thats definitely a bug

L1338[19:59:18] <Ordinastie_> I wonder why it's not just a wrapper around StateImpl

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L1341[20:08:30] <Ordinastie_> can someone confirm they have a slight freeze in that video : https://youtu.be/URavnMb3QLc?t=3m18s

L1342[20:08:34] <Ordinastie_> at 3:20 ?

L1343[20:08:48] <TehNut> yes

L1344[20:08:53] <Ordinastie_> thanks

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L1347[20:22:18] <JamEngulfer> How unique are IBlockStates?

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L1349[20:22:31] <williewillus> normal ones are completely unique

L1350[20:22:31] <Ordinastie_> what do you mean ?

L1351[20:22:41] <williewillus> as in each combination of values only has one instance

L1352[20:22:55] <williewillus> generated at startup

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L1354[20:23:24] <JamEngulfer> Ok, say like, would one random dirt block in the ground share the same block state as another?

L1355[20:23:37] <Ordinastie_> yes

L1356[20:23:47] <williewillus> it would not make sense otherwise

L1357[20:23:53] <JamEngulfer> So I can just == them? Cool.

L1358[20:24:05] <williewillus> yes in most cases

L1359[20:25:30] <JamEngulfer> Actually… Hmm… how much is stored in the BlockState? Would different heights of Lava flow be represented with BlockStates or Blocks?

L1360[20:26:00] <williewillus> well think about it, it's all still the lava block :P

L1361[20:26:13] <williewillus> you can also open it an look, BlockLiquid

L1362[20:28:36] <JamEngulfer> Ah crap… I was hoping to be able to just compare the block types. I’m storing Blocks in a hashmap as the key for a value

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L1364[20:28:55] <williewillus> well did you not consider meta?

L1365[20:29:05] <JamEngulfer> Meta for what?

L1366[20:29:21] <shadowfacts> you should use metadata or IBlockStates not Blocks

L1367[20:29:26] <williewillus> in a given spot in the world, you have block id + the metadata

L1368[20:29:28] <williewillus> in the world save

L1369[20:29:37] <williewillus> the iblockstate represents the metadata + block together

L1370[20:29:54] <williewillus> for example all 16 colors of wool are all the same Block object

L1371[20:30:06] <williewillus> they just have a blockstate property COLOR that distinguishes each

L1372[20:30:09] <williewillus> !gm func_189808_dh

L1373[20:30:17] <JamEngulfer> Oh right. I thought Block stored the metadata

L1374[20:30:22] <williewillus> wat

L1375[20:30:26] <williewillus> Block doesn't store anything

L1376[20:30:28] <williewillus> it should be stateless

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L1378[20:31:04] <JamEngulfer> I thought the block object would be an instance of the block at a specific point in the world.

L1379[20:31:13] <JamEngulfer> At least, I assumed that would be how it worked

L1380[20:31:43] <Ordinastie_> no, the BLock class represent a type of block

L1381[20:31:53] <JamEngulfer> Good point

L1382[20:31:59] <JamEngulfer> Makes sense now I think about it XD

L1383[20:32:07] <Ordinastie_> when you do world.getBlockState() you get the state and the blockType

L1384[20:32:38] <Ordinastie_> that's why most of the methods from block do have a world and blockPos params

L1385[20:32:52] <JamEngulfer> That would explain it

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L1387[20:34:04] <Ordinastie_> the world data is basically an array of ints, where the int is the block id + metadata packed together

L1388[20:34:45] <Ordinastie_> that's why you need getStateFromMeta and getMetaFromState in you block, to be able to make to conversion back and forth

L1389[20:35:01] <Ordinastie_> and it's also why metadata is limited to 4 bits

L1390[20:35:35] <JamEngulfer> Is there any way to get an IBlockState for some given properties then?

L1391[20:35:57] <Ordinastie_> yes, block.getDefaultState().withProperty(prop, value)

L1392[20:35:59] <tterrag> state.withProperty

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L1394[20:38:21] <JamEngulfer> Would that represent a block I’d normally find in the world, or is there any more setup needed than that?

L1395[20:39:53] <JamEngulfer> Sorry about being a bit new to this. The last time I really got into modding was back in 2013

L1396[20:40:47] <Ordinastie_> you can test that way, but depending on what you're doing, you may want to test the values you get for the IBlockState

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L1399[20:41:16] <Ordinastie_> like if (state.getValue(prop) == someValue) doStuff();

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L1402[20:43:22] <JamEngulfer> Ok. I’ll state my intentions so you know what I’m trying to do. I’m having certain blocks (Vanilla or otherwise) be associated with some numeric value. I don’t want to be super specific, so just stuff like a Lava block or a Leaves block.

L1403[20:44:06] <Ordinastie_> is value weight ?

L1404[20:45:11] <Ordinastie_> well, what you want is probably a map with states as key

L1405[20:45:15] <JamEngulfer> No? It’s an arbitrary value for determining power generation (not like fuel for smelting, but like the actual block in the world).

L1406[20:45:35] <JamEngulfer> I’m currently using a HashMap of IBlockState/Integer

L1407[20:45:42] <Ordinastie_> yeah, that's good

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L1411[20:46:31] <JamEngulfer> I’m just worried IBlockState will be too specific. Like, only a fence with sides pointing North and West, instead of just ‘fence’

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L1413[20:46:57] <Ordinastie_> well, in some case, yes, in other, no

L1414[20:47:02] <Ordinastie_> it will depend on the block

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L1416[20:47:37] <JamEngulfer> I guess I’ll just have to add all of the states if that’s needed

L1417[20:47:49] <Ordinastie_> well, you can have 2 maps

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L1422[20:48:10] <JamEngulfer> How so?

L1423[20:48:11] <Ordinastie_> one with state as key, and fallback to one with block as key if nothing is found in the first

L1424[20:48:30] <Ordinastie_> but that's assuming you will have "hardcoded" data

L1425[20:49:04] <Ordinastie_> because wether to fill the block map or the state map, it can only be a human decision

L1426[20:49:06] <JamEngulfer> It’s technically possible to be dynamically added, but I’ll be setting it all at init time

L1427[20:49:52] <Ordinastie_> actually, you could even have more optimized way

L1428[20:50:04] <JamEngulfer> Oh?

L1429[20:50:12] <Ordinastie_> stay with 1 map

L1430[20:50:46] <Ordinastie_> if you want all the states available for a block, just store the default blockState, and fall back to that one if the specific state you have is not found

L1431[20:51:33] <JamEngulfer> Oh yeah. That’s actually kinda obvious now I think about it XD

L1432[20:51:35] <Ordinastie_> value = map.get(state); if(value == null) value = map.get(state.getBlock().getDefaultState());

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L1434[20:52:23] <JamEngulfer> Seems good. I think knowing what BlockStates actually stored would have helped me understand this from the start

L1435[20:53:00] <Ordinastie_> but what I meant by human decision is that there is no way in code to know if a blockState just represent a slight difference or a total different block (logic wise)

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L1437[20:53:55] <Ordinastie_> taking fence gate as exemple, orientation and open are properties, but as user perspective, it's the same gate

L1438[20:54:34] <Ordinastie_> colors for wool are different state too, not sure if you would want to consider them different

L1439[20:54:47] <JamEngulfer> Yeah, that’s always a problem in programming

L1440[20:54:57] <JamEngulfer> Easy for human, hard for computer

L1441[20:55:08] <Ordinastie_> then you have stones that reall ARE supposed to be different

L1442[20:55:10] <JamEngulfer> Ah well, hopefully I’ll be able to make it work

L1443[20:55:48] <Ordinastie_> but as long as you fill in the data yourself, you should be ok

L1444[21:00:02] <RANKSHANK> the only problem with resorting to a full hardcode is mod compat. as soon as another mod is installed there's a whole chunk of unsupported content

L1445[21:00:37] <RANKSHANK> But if you wanted to somehow support that you'd need some form of inter mod comm support

L1446[21:00:51] <JamEngulfer> I mean, there’s not much I can do about that

L1447[21:00:57] <Ordinastie_> or you'd just go for a default behavior

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L1449[21:01:15] <Ordinastie_> and manually fix based on user report maybe

L1450[21:01:29] <RANKSHANK> yeah user input is definitely an option

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L1453[21:01:55] <RANKSHANK> you could also resort to the hardcoding being stored in txt/json/whatever file and load those based on what mods are loaded

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L1455[21:02:25] <Ordinastie_> but you still need to make those files

L1456[21:02:55] <RANKSHANK> indeed but you could easily automate half the writing there by making the state mapper dump the missing values to the correct files

L1457[21:03:30] <Ordinastie_> you're missing the point I think

L1458[21:03:47] <RANKSHANK> probably :D

L1459[21:04:20] <Ordinastie_> the issue is not really getting that, it's deciding whether or not you should use only the defaultState or consider each state as different blocks requiring different values

L1460[21:05:23] <Ordinastie_> that decision can't be automated because it's entirely based on subjective appreciation

L1461[21:06:09] <RANKSHANK> yup so it's gotta be manually done :P

L1462[21:06:49] <howtonotwin> This sounds interesting; what was this about?

L1463[21:07:06] <RANKSHANK> Either way it's a pita sorta thing unless you can implement some form of robust parent/child system

L1464[21:07:21] <RANKSHANK> howtonotwin mapping states to integer values

L1465[21:08:25] <howtonotwin> tellmemore.gif

L1466[21:09:02] <JamEngulfer> It’s a massive pain in the ass XD

L1467[21:09:12] <Ordinastie_> howtonotwin, sbnc.khobbits.co.uk/log/logs/minecraftforge.htm

L1468[21:09:22] <JamEngulfer> huh, that’s a thing

L1469[21:09:41] <howtonotwin> neat, thanks Ordi

L1470[21:09:47] <RANKSHANK> It's a wonderful thing :D

L1471[21:10:27] <RANKSHANK> JamEngulfer what sort of power is it? Are we talking fuels?

L1472[21:13:46] <JamEngulfer> It’s more of a passive generation thing. Generating energy of different types in varying amounts from being near various blocks.

L1473[21:14:34] <JamEngulfer> Things like lava/fire/netherrack generating far more power than say, a bunch of dirt

L1474[21:15:22] <RANKSHANK> ahh fair enough, laziest approach I can think of off the top of my head for that would be to check the block's material

L1475[21:15:33] <RANKSHANK> but you miss a metric shit ton of specifics that way

L1476[21:15:44] <JamEngulfer> That’s what I’m doing to determine the type of power it gives

L1477[21:17:27] <RANKSHANK> well from there you could check the AABB dimensions for the states in a fake world to get a rough volume... use that value with the material to spit out some form of standard

L1478[21:17:56] <RANKSHANK> the rough patches are things like Slime where it uses clay instead of a slim material

L1479[21:18:01] <RANKSHANK> *slime

L1480[21:18:19] <JamEngulfer> Oh great, there just has to be crap like that in there

L1481[21:19:08] <RANKSHANK> of course there is :D mojang's all about the continuity side of things ;D

L1482[21:20:23] <JamEngulfer> At least they did the big refactoring stuff

L1483[21:20:43] <Ordinastie_> but they half assed it anyway

L1484[21:20:47] <RANKSHANK> ^

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L1487[21:21:23] <RANKSHANK> Personally I'd definitely rather a full ass that half an ass ;)

L1488[21:21:41] <JamEngulfer> But they even didn’t have Notch doing it!

L1489[21:22:01] <Ordinastie_> feels like they come up with a decent design, and then let the intern make the implementations

L1490[21:22:31] <RANKSHANK> only the *unpaid* interns though

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L1492[21:23:06] <howtonotwin> I'm not really seeing what's wrong with a plain old Map<IBlockState, Float>, from the chat logs. You can supply fallbacks with another Map<Material, Float> or similar, which would take care of most external modded blocks. More specific inter-mod support can be done by exposing a register method in an API.

L1493[21:24:49] <JamEngulfer> I’m having a debate about making it easy for me now, or making it possible for other mods to add values to it

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L1495[21:25:07] <Ordinastie_> they're not exclusive

L1496[21:25:11] <howtonotwin> Why would a map not be easy?

L1497[21:25:14] <Ordinastie_> it's just a design choice

L1498[21:26:26] <JamEngulfer> This part isn’t the issue. The debate I was having was over whether it was worth the effort to allow people to add their own types of power, as I’m currently doing it through Enums

L1499[21:26:42] <JamEngulfer> My conclusion was no

L1500[21:26:58] <Ordinastie_> enum + interface

L1501[21:27:00] <howtonotwin> Forge Registry for power types :P

L1502[21:27:05] <RANKSHANK> enumbuster :D

L1503[21:27:07] <Ordinastie_> or that

L1504[21:27:22] <RANKSHANK> ^hopefully not what I said

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L1508[21:28:36] <Ordinastie_> that's what I did when I wandted both enum and easy customisation : https://github.com/Ordinastie/MalisisCore/blob/1.9.4/src/main/java/net/malisis/core/block/component/DirectionalComponent.java#L54

L1509[21:29:00] <Ordinastie_> not sure if possible to make it cleaner

L1510[21:29:25] <JamEngulfer> Wait, what? That’s a thing you can do?

L1511[21:30:04] <Ordinastie_> all things consider, there is no real value to have that over simple public final static final IPlacement

L1512[21:30:16] <howtonotwin> public final static final

L1513[21:30:23] <JamEngulfer> XD

L1514[21:30:28] <howtonotwin> yes ok that's fine Ordi

L1515[21:30:39] <howtonotwin> Are you having a stronk? Be true with us

L1516[21:30:44] <Ordinastie_> yes, because I really don't want people to change them, so I double final

L1517[21:30:56] <howtonotwin> const

L1518[21:31:01] <howtonotwin> const ALL THE THINGS

L1519[21:31:13] <TehNut> public static private final protected static final boolean dontHugMeImScared

L1520[21:31:18] <JamEngulfer> final Final FINAL;

L1521[21:32:10] <Ordinastie_> but not fInAl though, have some decency, you're not a 14y teenage girl

L1522[21:33:03] <TehNut> f1n4l

L1523[21:33:04] <JamEngulfer> My conclusion was “I’ll do it later”. I’d rather have something that works first. I’m making the rest of it as API-y as possible

L1524[21:34:20] <howtonotwin> I've never actually used a custom registry; how well do they work?

L1525[21:34:27] <TehNut> Quite well

L1526[21:34:34] <RANKSHANK> ^

L1527[21:34:42] <RANKSHANK> they feel so shiny when they're implemented

L1528[21:34:47] <JamEngulfer> Google isn’t being very helpful telling me how that works

L1529[21:34:51] <Ordinastie_> I'm currently making my own system

L1530[21:35:02] <Ordinastie_> with hookers and lambdas

L1531[21:35:12] <howtonotwin> Basically once a mod has a registry you can register all the things with GameRegistry.register I think

L1532[21:35:16] <RANKSHANK> you've sold me 'nastie ;D

L1533[21:35:23] <TehNut> correct

L1534[21:36:46] <JamEngulfer> I’m currently only seeing Blocks, Items, TEs and World Gen there

L1535[21:36:48] <howtonotwin> So you'd register a power type with GameRegistry.register(ManaPower.INSTANCE, new ResourceLocation("mana:manapower")) and everything will now know about it.

L1536[21:36:52] <howtonotwin> You'd make your own registry

L1537[21:37:08] <howtonotwin> not sure how exactly you register the registry though :P

L1538[21:37:13] <JamEngulfer> GameRegistry.register totally isn’t showing up as a method for me

L1539[21:37:22] <JamEngulfer> Or do I subclass it?

L1540[21:37:29] <Ordinastie_> work in progress: http://puu.sh/qPOYD.png http://puu.sh/qPP1a.png

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L1542[21:38:02] <JamEngulfer> lambdas scare me

L1543[21:38:06] <Ordinastie_> JamEngulfer, what version are you using ?

L1544[21:38:09] <JamEngulfer> Oh.

L1545[21:38:12] <JamEngulfer> 1.8

L1546[21:38:15] <TehNut> ew update

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L1548[21:38:23] <Ordinastie_> yeah, no

L1549[21:38:24] <Ordinastie_> update

L1550[21:38:31] <TehNut> 1.8 should be used for dev even less than 1.7 should be

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L1552[21:38:36] <JamEngulfer> Oh come on! I want to be done with one freaking version before I start another one ;_;

L1553[21:38:46] <TehNut> 1.8 is 100% dead

L1554[21:38:47] <howtonotwin> Welp, 1.11 is happening soon

L1555[21:38:55] <howtonotwin> get ready for "internal changes"

L1556[21:39:03] <Ordinastie_> JamEngulfer, why ?

L1557[21:39:03] <TehNut> Use a minimum of 1.9 since many 1.9 mods will work on 1.10

L1558[21:39:11] <TehNut> 1.9.4*

L1559[21:39:13] <howtonotwin> i.e. insta-death for mods, again

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L1563[21:39:49] <Ordinastie_> there is no good reason to not update

L1564[21:39:53] <JamEngulfer> I’ve been making this damn mod for 2-3 years. Every time I come back to it, I just spend all my time updating to whatever internal shakeup Mojang has done this time, then I run out of energy and give up

L1565[21:39:54] <RANKSHANK> ^

L1566[21:40:03] <TehNut> 1.8 to 1.9 is easy

L1567[21:40:05] <TehNut> Don't worry

L1568[21:40:07] <howtonotwin> 1.9 is not much different actually

L1569[21:40:32] <TehNut> Blood Magic took me like an hour to update

L1570[21:40:38] <JamEngulfer> I completely gave up at 1.7 to 1.8. The whole gradle thing threw me for a loop and I stopped XD

L1571[21:40:41] <Ordinastie_> well, don't stop, you won't have to "come back", just follow the flow

L1572[21:41:09] <RANKSHANK> gradle was the best thing ever.

L1573[21:41:11] <howtonotwin> Sorry if this pings you: https://gist.github.com/williewillus/e37edde85dc78d2e138c

L1574[21:41:15] <JamEngulfer> Yeah, I know. As long as it’s easy :P

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L1576[21:41:22] <howtonotwin> you'll see it's not very much

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L1581[21:43:04] <JamEngulfer> Also, I really like Blood Magic. I had fun making thousands of diamond blocks through a dupe bug I found

L1582[21:43:19] <TehNut> okay?

L1583[21:43:30] <JamEngulfer> I’m just kidding, but yeah.

L1584[21:44:31] <JamEngulfer> So 1.9 is the version to go to? Or should I go for 1.10?

L1585[21:44:44] <TehNut> Minimum of 1.9.4. 1.10.2 is preferred though

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L1587[21:44:51] <RANKSHANK> I always go latest forge

L1588[21:44:59] <RANKSHANK> you miss out on features otherwise

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L1590[21:45:26] <howtonotwin> 1.10 is the same as 1.9 except for the small touch of new stuff

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L1592[21:45:46] <TehNut> MC wise*

L1593[21:45:52] <TehNut> Forge has made some changes between the two

L1594[21:46:02] <howtonotwin> But nothing should break

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L1596[21:46:32] <TehNut> The only thing Forge "broke" that I noticed were AddCallbacks for the registries. But that's not a huge deal

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L1598[21:46:40] <TehNut> I doubt anybody uses that

L1599[21:46:46] <Ordinastie_> my mods work for both, so if my mods work, pretty sure all the mods work :p

L1600[21:46:47] <TehNut> Other than me >.>

L1601[21:47:12] <Ordinastie_> addCallback ?

L1602[21:47:17] <JamEngulfer> The problem is, stuff like FTB Infinity Evolved is still on 1.7. All of the packs seemed to have skipped 1.8 and 1.9. There’s only Unstable on 1.10.

L1603[21:47:35] <TehNut> I don't see the problem there

L1604[21:47:56] <JamEngulfer> I do. Most people play Infinity Evolved. I know I sure do

L1605[21:48:02] <TehNut> Ordinastie_: a method that gets called every time something is added to an IForgeRegistry

L1606[21:48:30] <TehNut> That being "a problem" keeps us on old MC versions :P

L1607[21:48:32] <Ordinastie_> yeah I know that, but what do you use it for ?

L1608[21:48:42] <JamEngulfer> I guess so, yeah

L1609[21:48:47] <TehNut> Oh, elegantly crashing if people registered stuff too late

L1610[21:49:00] <Ordinastie_> lol

L1611[21:49:03] <TehNut> :P

L1612[21:49:46] <JamEngulfer> It just doesn’t seem like it’s worth updating if by the time I’m finished with one version, the next MC version is out. I guess that’s why a lot of packs are always so far behind. More mods

L1613[21:50:11] <TehNut> When Mojang gets to a point they like, we'll get another LTS version

L1614[21:50:29] <TehNut> Right now, it's rapid fire updates and we just have to deal with that

L1615[21:50:43] <JamEngulfer> LTS? Long Term… S?

L1616[21:50:43] <RANKSHANK> the further behind you are the more you'll have to update in future releases

L1617[21:50:48] <howtonotwin> Support

L1618[21:50:48] <TehNut> Support

L1619[21:50:53] <JamEngulfer> oh yeah

L1620[21:51:06] <howtonotwin> Someone owes me a cookie :P

L1621[21:51:11] <JamEngulfer> heh

L1622[21:51:11] <Ordinastie_> if you think updating to a new version is annoying, wait until you need to update 2 or 3 version at once

L1623[21:51:18] <RANKSHANK> ^

L1624[21:51:36] <JamEngulfer> At least it’s not 1.7 to 1.8

L1625[21:52:00] <TehNut> I doubt we'll see another 1.7 to 1.8 style update anytime soon

L1626[21:52:18] <TehNut> That's the benefit of quick updates: less major overhauls

L1627[21:53:50] <JamEngulfer> Unless they do a major overhaul very quickly :P

L1628[21:53:59] <TehNut> Hah. We're talking about Mojang.

L1629[21:54:06] <JamEngulfer> true, true

L1630[21:54:13] <howtonotwin> <grammarnazi>fewer</grammarnazi>

L1631[21:54:26] <TehNut> scru u mang

L1632[21:55:43] * howtonotwin brings forth the Holy Cross of the Righteous Grammar Church to expel the demon set upon TehNut by the False Speaker.

L1633[21:55:59] <TehNut> no u

L1634[21:56:21] <JamEngulfer> Hopefully because of the effort I put into abstracting the registration process, I can change 4 lines of code to update my registry stuff

L1635[21:58:21] <RANKSHANK> Or you could use the most recent version and forgo some future-proofing

L1636[21:58:28] <RANKSHANK> something sensible really

L1637[21:58:41] <JamEngulfer> Huh?

L1638[21:59:42] <RANKSHANK> read: update and just straight out use the forge registries. they're easy to work with and require little code to get up and running

L1639[21:59:51] <JamEngulfer> That’s what I meant

L1640[22:00:16] <JamEngulfer> It doesn’t matter, dw

L1641[22:01:28] <RANKSHANK> ahh kk misinterpretation on my end :P

L1642[22:04:37] * howtonotwin surprise-exorcises the demon from TH's body.

L1643[22:05:34] <RANKSHANK> yew bleedy wot m8

L1644[22:05:57] <TehNut> who is TH

L1645[22:06:16] <RANKSHANK> Me thinks yous am

L1646[22:06:18] * howtonotwin realizes he succeeded in the exorcism

L1647[22:06:24] * howtonotwin rejoices

L1648[22:06:26] <TehNut> me thinks mez notz

L1649[22:10:07] <JamEngulfer> Oh wow, it’s 4am. I didn’t even notice. I should probably sleep at some point soon

L1650[22:10:27] <howtonotwin> What's with this IRC and sleeping at 4?

L1651[22:10:44] <JamEngulfer> Anyway, thanks eveyone for the help! It’s been great.

L1652[22:12:21] <RANKSHANK> toodles~

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L1686[23:08:45] <williewillus> what do i return for IRecipe.getRevcipeSize if it varies?

L1687[23:09:17] <williewillus> have a "shapeless" recipe for recharging an item by crafting a base ingredient with it and you can do anything from 1 to 8 of that item

L1688[23:09:37] <killjoy1> What's wrong with hexchat? Every time my computer goes to sleep with it open, I get a new entry of it in the tray

L1689[23:09:48] <AbrarSyed> thats a problem with your tray lol

L1690[23:10:13] <AbrarSyed> luinux standards dictate only 1 tray item may exist per program, across all monitors. Does your OS not have a similar restriction?

L1691[23:10:14] <killjoy1> I have 11 of them

L1692[23:10:27] <killjoy1> 2 of them say I have notifications

L1693[23:10:48] <killjoy1> https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/1423

L1694[23:11:38] <killjoy1> yup. issue with 4k monitor

L1695[23:11:56] <AbrarSyed> #linuxmasterrace

L1696[23:12:09] <AbrarSyed> srsly killjoy, why havent you joined us yet?

L1697[23:12:18] <killjoy1> I already have.

L1698[23:12:20] <killjoy1> Like.. long ago

L1699[23:12:30] <killjoy1> I just use Windows for games and office

L1700[23:12:32] <AbrarSyed> thats what I remember.. but this is a windows only bug?

L1701[23:12:40] <killjoy1> would seem so

L1702[23:12:41] <AbrarSyed> fun fact, LOL works great through wine

L1703[23:12:59] <killjoy1> I don't play

L1704[23:13:47] <killjoy1> If I had a spare laptop, I'd probably put Elementary on it.

L1705[23:13:53] <killjoy1> Has it gotten better since Luna?

L1706[23:14:08] <AbrarSyed> #archmasterrace

L1707[23:14:51] <killjoy1> Honestly, I haven't found a DE I've fallen in love with

L1708[23:15:06] <RANKSHANK> williewillus I think you just return the default value of 10

L1709[23:15:14] <williewillus> wait 10?

L1710[23:15:17] <RANKSHANK> It's what I've done and it works

L1711[23:15:19] <williewillus> doesnt the grid have 9 slots

L1712[23:15:21] <williewillus> lol

L1713[23:16:25] <killjoy1> cool. google knows a few irc clients.

L1714[23:16:33] <killjoy1> via wikipedia

L1715[23:16:36] <RANKSHANK> yeah I dunno I've been using the 10 for ages :P

L1716[23:16:51] <RANKSHANK> williewillus my usage https://github.com/RANKSHANK/Arbitraria/blob/master/src/main/java/mod/rankshank/arbitraria/common/recipes/RecipeSprayBottleFiller.java#L138-L140

L1717[23:17:12] <RANKSHANK> allows me to fill x number of bottles dependent on the fluid container

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L1719[23:21:54] <williewillus> !gm getFullEffectsFromTag

L1720[23:22:22] <williewillus> tfw you see a terrible mapping you thought you made but it wasn't you

L1721[23:22:43] <williewillus> !gm addCustomPotionEffectToList

L1722[23:27:51] <AbrarSyed> killjoy1, there is this one linux distro that has like everything under the sun preinstalled (all the DEs) so you can just reloig in and try them all without reinstalling

L1723[23:28:04] <killjoy1> Sounds bloated

L1724[23:28:18] <AbrarSyed> well yeah, bbut its just to see what you like

L1725[23:28:23] <AbrarSyed> after which you install a REAL distro

L1726[23:28:27] <killjoy1> I'd do it if it was just a livecd

L1727[23:28:32] <killjoy1> *livedvd

L1728[23:28:35] <killjoy1> *liveusb

L1729[23:28:38] <AbrarSyed> it migth be a lviecd.. if only I could find it again

L1730[23:28:38] <killjoy1> *livehdd

L1731[23:28:54] <killjoy1> *livenetboot

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