OCLogs: 2016-02-28.log

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L1[00:00:33] <tterrag> williewillus: heh...where do I register a custom model loader?

L2[00:00:49] <tterrag> nvm...ModelLoaderRegistry >.>

L3[00:00:53] <williewillus> :P

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L7[00:06:52] <tterrag> williewillus: can a ModelResourceLocation define an extension? my loader only loads a custom extension, I don't want it to append .json

L8[00:06:54] <tterrag> .-.

L9[00:07:07] <williewillus> errr

L10[00:07:07] <williewillus> idk

L11[00:07:08] <williewillus> :P

L12[00:07:12] <williewillus> i think so

L13[00:07:19] <williewillus> since OBJ and B3d loaders look for their extensions right

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L15[00:07:33] <williewillus> wait

L16[00:07:49] <williewillus> ModelResourceLocations point to variants inside blockstate jsons

L17[00:07:53] <williewillus> not models directly

L18[00:07:56] <tterrag> -_-

L19[00:08:02] <tterrag> I don't WANT to have a blockstate json

L20[00:08:04] <tterrag> that's the entire point

L21[00:08:29] <unascribed> ...?

L22[00:08:35] <williewillus> lol

L23[00:08:59] <unascribed> you know about the forge blockstates format right

L24[00:09:19] <tterrag> yes?

L25[00:09:22] <tterrag> how is that relevant .-.

L26[00:09:27] <unascribed> because it's not awful?

L27[00:09:46] <tterrag> I don't want to have blockstate json files

L28[00:09:47] <tterrag> period

L29[00:09:52] <tterrag> it could be one line, I don't care

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L31[00:10:33] <tterrag> previously I used ModelBakeEvent to register my baked models manually

L32[00:10:43] <tterrag> but now, I want them to be loaded using an ICustomModelLoader

L33[00:11:12] <williewillus> i misunderstood what you want to achieve - no there's no nonhacky way to do it :P. there's the stateModels map inside ModelLoader that is MRL->IModel

L34[00:11:21] <williewillus> so you could reflect and add to that i suppose

L35[00:12:02] <tterrag> we have an event for custom bakedmodel registration, why not custom IModel registration? it just seems weird

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L39[00:20:02] <tterrag> !gf blockDefinitions

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L42[00:24:42] <tterrag> williewillus: the only way to get a ModelLoader is from ModelBakeEvent

L43[00:24:48] <tterrag> which is AFTER blockstates are parsed

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L57[00:52:43] <grondag> tterrag, did you figure out how to avoid making blockstate json files?

L58[00:52:50] <tterrag> no

L59[00:52:55] <tterrag> as far as I can tell, it's not possible

L60[00:52:59] <grondag> it is

L61[00:53:05] <grondag> my mod doesn’t have em

L62[00:53:05] <tterrag> oh? how?

L63[00:53:14] <grondag> Let me go remember how I did that, just a sec

L64[00:54:42] <grondag> handle the onModelBake event

L65[00:54:56] <grondag> and in that event, call event.modelRegistry.putObject

L66[00:54:58] <tterrag> <tterrag> the only way to get a ModelLoader is from ModelBakeEvent

L67[00:54:59] <tterrag> <tterrag> which is AFTER blockstates are parsed

L68[00:55:04] <tterrag> it's too late

L69[00:55:26] <grondag> Hmmm, I don’t have any

L70[00:55:59] <tterrag> I know

L71[00:56:02] <tterrag> I don't either

L72[00:56:04] <grondag> you’re using a custom statemapper, right?

L73[00:56:14] <tterrag> previously I used ModelBakeEvent to register my baked models manually

L74[00:56:14] <tterrag> but now, I want them to be loaded using an ICustomModelLoader

L75[00:56:33] <grondag> hmmm, I haven’t use that interface

L76[00:57:39] <grondag> my custom statemapper points all my blocks to an ISmartBlockModel that loads and caches the models

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L78[01:03:54] <grondag> Seems like it should work fine as long as you pass a resourceLocation instead of modelResourceLocation

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L82[01:35:02] <SomeGuyInATree> Are there any decent guides on adding waila compat?.. 1.7.10~

L83[01:35:20] <tterrag> SomeGuyInATree: tons of mods

L84[01:35:24] <tterrag> otherwise no

L85[01:35:26] <tterrag> what do you need to know?

L86[01:37:00] <SomeGuyInATree> Just a general guide I guess.. Any useful links I found on the forums are all 404d.. Just wanting to show the power storage of a block..

L87[01:37:10] <williewillus> are all the classes that a method references loaded or verified when that method is called? or in other words, if you touch a potentially missing class in one branch of an if statement but the other branch is taken at runtime does it crash?

L88[01:37:11] <williewillus> asking because I'm revieweing a pr

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L94[02:00:02] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20160228 mappings to Forge Maven.

L95[02:00:05] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20160228-1.8.9.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20160228" in build.gradle).

L96[02:00:16] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L129[04:38:36] <AnrDaemon> Anyone can point to documentation, or explain, how to properly interpret level.dat://FML/ItemData key names? Is the prefix byte significant/what does it mean, if yes?

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L152[06:13:07] <Mata> I can't seem to find anything on google about this, that is the reason i keep coming back to here lol. When adding a button with InitGuiEvent what should i use for checking if the button has been pressed?

L153[06:13:46] <PaleoCrafter> something along the lines of ActionPerformedEvent

L154[06:20:03] <Mata> I love adding in prints to the log that can never be run

L155[06:20:11] <Mata> then if someone acctually manages to run it

L156[06:20:18] <Mata> :P

L157[06:21:57] <AnrDaemon> Happens more often, than you'd think.

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L159[06:25:02] <Mata> After a Minecraft.getMinecraft.theWorld != null

L160[06:25:03] <Mata> ?

L161[06:25:04] <Mata> :P

L162[06:25:24] <sham1> Boolean cannot be null

L163[06:25:27] <sham1> The primitive that is

L164[06:25:54] <Mata> I just want to test if there is a world loaded in

L165[06:26:08] <sham1> But null is not they way to do it

L166[06:26:15] <Mata> how would that be then>

L167[06:26:24] <sham1> !Minecraft.getMInecraft().theWorld

L168[06:26:29] <Mata> hmm true

L169[06:26:52] <Mata> not applicatable to WorldClient

L170[06:26:52] <Mata> :p

L171[06:27:03] <sham1> Meep

L172[06:27:10] <sham1> I derped

L173[06:27:14] <Mata> Yup

L174[06:27:14] <Mata> :P

L175[06:27:45] <Mata> LOL Super Secret Settings has a id of 8675309

L176[06:27:55] <Mata> while all other buttons have a id of <999

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L179[06:33:24] <fry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg_YueZ4fi8

L180[06:33:34] <Dereta> Hey guys :) need some help... try to "hook" InventoryClickEvent.. but din't find it... V is 1.8..

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L184[06:37:44] <Dereta> no one?

L185[06:37:58] <Mata> dang bot command what are they again

L186[06:37:59] <Mata> :

L187[06:38:10] <Mata> you should be able to look it up with the MCPBot_Reborn

L188[06:38:42] <Dereta> if you mean me... i don't know what you mean :x sry.. :<

L189[06:38:53] <Mata> !help

L190[06:39:17] <Mata> !gc InventoryClickEvent

L191[06:39:32] <Mata> !findallc InventoryClickEvent

L192[06:39:40] <Mata> hmm i cant work with it :p

L193[06:40:06] <Dereta> !gc InventoryClickEvent

L194[06:40:11] <Dereta> mh.. okay.. :/

L195[06:40:23] <Dereta> maybe its removed/renamed in 1.8 <.<

L196[06:40:35] <Dereta> all resulsts i found was for < 1.8

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L199[06:50:22] <Dereta> !gc InventoryClick

L200[06:50:30] <Dereta> !gc InventoryEvent

L201[06:50:35] <Dereta> !gc ItemEvent

L202[06:50:46] <Dereta> !help

L203[06:51:23] <Dereta> !gc ItemTooltipEvent

L204[06:52:25] <sham1> What are you trying to do

L205[06:55:54] <Dereta> !findallc InventoryClickEvent

L206[06:56:11] <sham1> <sham1> What are you trying to do

L207[06:56:59] <sham1> Kinda hard to help when we don't know what your end goal is

L208[07:01:02] <PaleoCrafter> Endsieg

L209[07:01:31] <sham1> <.<

L210[07:03:42] <Mata> lol what i am doing is so weird, nobody seems to have done it before

L211[07:03:43] <Mata> xD

L212[07:04:02] <Lumien> You realize you can't find forge classes using the mcpbot right?

L213[07:04:04] <Mata> atleast in 1.7.10 that is

L214[07:04:05] <Lumien> Just use your ide

L215[07:04:17] <Mata> oww i thought you could find them with the bot

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L217[07:08:37] <Dereta> what i try to do? i want if i drag an Item to a other (in inventory) the other item will loaded. with it. (Soul Bottle fill with Souls z.B.)

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L227[07:28:33] <Dereta> What event did i have to use for drag & drop items in inventory... use Version 1.8.. anyone knows?

L228[07:29:16] <Mata> !gm func_147139_a

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L230[07:36:01] <gigaherz> is it even possible to detect when a slot is clicked with another item "in hand"?

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L238[07:41:04] <Delenas> o/

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L243[07:50:29] <AnrDaemon> Anyone can point to documentation, or explain, how to properly interpret level.dat://FML/ItemData key names? Is the prefix byte significant/what does it mean, if yes?

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L245[07:53:38] <Dereta> gigaherz i think so.. because in a few multiplayer server (like Dungeon Realms) they will work with this to repair items.. <.<

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L248[07:55:07] <Mata> !gm func_147139_a 1.7.10

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L251[07:57:00] <gigaherz> AnrDaemon: I don't think that's publicly documented -- you'd have to browse through the FML source code to see how it works, or ask cpw

L252[07:57:15] <AnrDaemon> *sigh*

L253[07:58:12] <gigaherz> hmm quick glance points at FML/ItemData being the ID map?

L254[07:58:36] <AnrDaemon> I'm specifically interested in the first byte of item names.

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L256[07:59:33] <gigaherz> ah this apparently changed between 1.7 and 1.8

L257[07:59:46] <Curle> that feeling when MCreator makes a dimension better than you..

L258[07:59:59] <AnrDaemon> The power of random.

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L260[08:00:04] <gigaherz> 1.8.9 FML doesn't have that rogue byte

L261[08:00:05] <gigaherz> ;P

L262[08:00:57] <gigaherz> there

L263[08:00:59] <AnrDaemon> Well. Would be better, if it wouldn't have the K/V weirdness as well.

L264[08:00:59] <gigaherz> found it for you

L265[08:01:00] <gigaherz> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/f77d50b48c82f6472c4350a9ff41e8cb3a621655/src/main/java/net/minecraftforge/fml/common/FMLContainer.java#L219

L266[08:01:10] <gigaherz> K: means "key", V: means "value"

L267[08:01:15] <gigaherz> each entry is a key-value pair

L268[08:01:21] <gigaherz> and the first byte

L269[08:01:25] <gigaherz> differentiates items from blocks

L270[08:01:32] <AnrDaemon> Yes, I know.

L271[08:01:39] <Mata> Lol the setDifficultyForAllWorlds aka the method being run by /difficulty doesnt work in sp?

L272[08:01:41] <AnrDaemon> Yes, that much I gathered, thank you.

L273[08:01:42] <gigaherz> a '\u0001' means block ID

L274[08:01:48] <gigaherz> a '\u0002' means item ID

L275[08:02:23] <AnrDaemon> Not, I'm wondering, if I should write special handler for it, or just forget it altogether. >.<

L276[08:02:40] <gigaherz> dependso n what you are trying to do?

L277[08:02:56] <gigaherz> you never did explain your goal ;P

L278[08:03:09] <AnrDaemon> Complete NBT manipulation suite in PHP.

L279[08:03:36] <gigaherz> high-level? or "raw" like you'd see on NBTExplorer

L280[08:03:44] <Cazzar> ^

L281[08:03:46] <AnrDaemon> Both.

L282[08:04:04] <AnrDaemon> NBT<->JSON converter is the first stop.

L283[08:04:10] <Cazzar> Since generally the low level stuff is only the stuff you need. Maybe also a hex editor

L284[08:04:13] <gigaherz> then on low-level manipulation, just handle non-printable chars and show them as \uHHHH

L285[08:04:38] <AnrDaemon> Depends, where you are printing them :D For me, they are perfectly printable.

L286[08:04:58] <gigaherz> unicode points < 32 are ascii control codes and are not considered printable

L287[08:05:04] <gigaherz> even if some fonts have glyphs for them

L288[08:05:10] <AnrDaemon> I know, thanks.

L289[08:05:34] <AnrDaemon> Most quality fonts do have glyphs for them. :) Because printing isn't everything.

L290[08:05:36] <Cazzar> \u0001 isn't a printable char

L291[08:05:38] <Cazzar> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0001/index.htm

L292[08:05:47] <AnrDaemon> Cazzar: I do know.

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L295[08:06:15] <gigaherz> oh and char 127, because historical reasons ;P

L296[08:06:31] <AnrDaemon> 0x7f is "DEL"

L297[08:06:40] <Cazzar> I don't see a reason why the fonts would implement control codes as a printable character set.

L298[08:07:05] <AnrDaemon> Because sometimes you have to show characters not in printing context.

L299[08:07:16] <gigaherz> AnrDaemon: I mean that it's a control code outside the 0..32 area, but only for hisotrical reasons

L300[08:07:24] <Cazzar> Ex: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/202e/index.htm

L301[08:07:24] <AnrDaemon> Yes, I know.

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L303[08:08:33] <gigaherz> anyhow, back to the matter at hand

L304[08:08:42] <Cazzar> "In a non printing context " usually it's the editor being smart and showing different glyphs for it

L305[08:08:52] <gigaherz> as I was saying, if you are showing the nbt data in its "raw" form

L306[08:09:06] <gigaherz> just use escape codes

L307[08:09:20] <gigaherz> if you have a high-level conversion

L308[08:09:30] <AnrDaemon> Yes, thanks. :) I said I know it. Anyway, thank you.

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L310[08:09:43] <gigaherz> then show something like {"type":"item", "name":"x", "id":10}

L311[08:10:19] <Cazzar> I'd have some kind of marker

L312[08:10:25] <AnrDaemon> "@type":{"name":...},

L313[08:10:26] <Cazzar> That's just me though.

L314[08:10:57] <gigaherz> wouldn't that mean you have multiple "@item"?

L315[08:11:05] <gigaherz> better swap that around

L316[08:11:05] <gigaherz> XD

L317[08:11:12] <gigaherz> "name":{"type":...}

L318[08:11:41] <AnrDaemon> I'll have to know type name to create object.

L319[08:12:10] <Cazzar> That all depends on how you parse

L320[08:12:14] <AnrDaemon> http://pastebin.com/LgX1tVWn

L321[08:12:32] <Cazzar> That tells me fuckall

L322[08:12:41] <gigaherz> well ifit's json

L323[08:12:42] <Cazzar> It's a generic interface

L324[08:12:45] <gigaherz> you either have

L325[08:12:54] <gigaherz> [ {"type":"item", "name":"x", "id":10}, {"type":"item", "name":"x", "id":10}, ... ]

L326[08:12:57] <gigaherz> or

L327[08:13:06] <gigaherz> { "unique key":{data}, ... }

L328[08:13:18] <AnrDaemon> Thanks.

L329[08:13:32] <AnrDaemon> This is actually helpful.

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L331[08:14:15] <Curle> Can someone help me figure out why this line is erroring?

L332[08:14:16] <Curle> https://github.com/343Modding/Spark/blob/latest/src/main/java/net/tagteam/sparkonium/worldgen/DreSca.java#L41

L333[08:14:21] <gigaherz> depending on if you parse it as a list, or as a map/table

L334[08:14:33] <Cazzar> Curle name the error?

L335[08:14:55] <gigaherz> Curle: brain parser didn't see any obvious error, how does it fail?

L336[08:15:08] <Cazzar> Else I could name millions of ways it could

L337[08:15:09] <Curle> java.lang.InstantiationException

L338[08:15:34] <gigaherz> then you need a constructor you didn't give it?

L339[08:15:48] <Cazzar> Either ctor through an exception. Or

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L342[08:16:24] <gigaherz> Curle: it needs a public parameterless constructor

L343[08:16:49] <gigaherz> createProviderFor(int) does "WorldProvider provider = providers.get(getProviderType(dim)).newInstance();"

L344[08:17:17] <Cazzar> https://github.com/343Modding/Spark/blob/latest/src/main/java/net/tagteam/sparkonium/worldgen/WorldProviderDreSca.java

L345[08:17:30] <Cazzar> Is this where I complain about mixing tabs and spaces?

L346[08:17:36] <Curle> Probably.

L347[08:17:53] <Curle> I'll redo the formatting when I manage to get the game to even load

L348[08:18:05] <Cazzar> I don't care about using one or the other, I care about consistency!

L349[08:18:10] <gigaherz> Curle: do you ahve the full stack trace?

L350[08:18:23] <Curle> I'll pastebin it

L351[08:19:26] <Curle> http://pastebin.com/VEL22H8f

L352[08:19:28] <Cazzar> I did not just end up playing an hour's worth of Nekopara vol 2

L353[08:19:31] <Curle> Everything the console gave me

L354[08:20:23] <gigaherz> aha

L355[08:20:27] <gigaherz> Curle: ABSTRACT

L356[08:20:28] <gigaherz> ;P

L357[08:20:49] <gigaherz> https://github.com/343Modding/Spark/blob/latest/src/main/java/net/tagteam/sparkonium/worldgen/WorldProviderDreSca.java#L21

L358[08:21:04] <Curle> Nice find!

L359[08:21:11] <Curle> Didn't see that, thanks Giga.

L360[08:21:47] <Curle> Great, removed it and now I'm getting build path errors xD

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L362[08:22:23] <AnrDaemon> That's a progress. Ain't it?

L363[08:22:33] <Cazzar> gigaherz you could have been more annoying and just linked https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/InstantiationException.html

L364[08:22:44] <Cazzar> It mentions abstract xP

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L366[08:23:07] <gigaherz> nah I try not to be that kind of person ;P

L367[08:23:31] <Cazzar> But it can be fun~

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L369[08:23:42] <Cazzar> Though I can't do that at work

L370[08:23:43] <Curle> setupDecompWorkspace fixed it :P

L371[08:23:55] <Curle> That would have been more helpful, tbh

L372[08:24:27] <Cazzar> Since I have people not able to understand what their internet browser is called

L373[08:24:39] <Curle> Flamewolf?

L374[08:25:28] <Curle> Mozarella Flamewolf!

L375[08:25:50] <Cazzar> No I mean people who don't know what internet explorer is let alone their address bar

L376[08:26:50] <PaleoCrafter> "You know where I live, no need for my address" xD

L377[08:27:02] <gigaherz> well given that a whole lot of people thin kthat the internet is a "thing", and not just a giant, loosely connected, computer network

L378[08:27:12] <Curle> it is?

L379[08:27:33] <Curle> the internet is a web of interconnected physical objects

L380[08:27:51] <Curle> web because the World Wide Web (commonly called the Internet) is what links them

L381[08:28:14] <gigaherz> it is many things, interconnecte

L382[08:28:16] <gigaherz> d

L383[08:28:25] <gigaherz> not a building you can visit and say "THIS is the internet, all the cables come here"

L384[08:28:32] <Curle> hence "physical objects"

L385[08:28:44] <Curle> You can't name them all, they just exist.

L386[08:28:48] <gigaherz> yeah

L387[08:28:57] <gigaherz> that idea, some people can't wrap their heads around

L388[08:28:57] <gigaherz> ;P

L389[08:29:19] <sham1> THere is no such thing as "The Internet"

L390[08:29:29] <sham1> There are just computers connected to each other

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L392[08:29:56] <gigaherz> sham1: tha was my point

L393[08:29:56] <gigaherz> XD

L394[08:30:11] <gigaherz> there's a lot of people that don't know that

L395[08:30:12] <Curle> and mine!

L396[08:30:15] <sham1> That is how I explain the idea

L397[08:30:22] <Curle> And me!

L398[08:30:26] <Curle> Why y no listen

L399[08:30:26] <gigaherz> and think the internet is something concrete, that you can point at

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L401[08:30:47] <Curle> it is something(s) you can point at.

L402[08:30:56] <sham1> MIT

L403[08:30:58] <sham1> Wait no

L404[08:31:01] <sham1> Berkley

L405[08:31:08] <Cazzar> "There is no cloud, only someone else's computer"

L406[08:31:13] <sham1> ARPANET

L407[08:31:14] <gigaherz> Curle: no you cna't point at ONE thing and say this is the internet

L408[08:31:25] <Curle> tried to emphasize the s

L409[08:31:37] <Curle> thing-->S<--

L410[08:31:48] <gigaherz> the internet is a concept

L411[08:31:53] <sham1> Internet is about as abstract as it gets

L412[08:31:53] <Cazzar> ^

L413[08:32:00] <gigaherz> a name we give to the combination of all the computers,

L414[08:32:03] <gigaherz> cables, router,s etc

L415[08:32:10] <gigaherz> that allow us to be on IRC right now

L416[08:32:12] <gigaherz> it's not a "thing"

L417[08:32:17] <Cazzar> The internet is the concept of a set of interconnected networks.

L418[08:32:32] <sham1> It is not the only one may I add

L419[08:32:43] <Curle> That allow me to blast Chris Brown out of someone else's speakers on the other side of the Web xD

L420[08:33:26] <Curle> Cazzar: Inter(connected)net(works)

L421[08:33:30] <Cazzar> Curle this is where you rent a server with a motherboard speaker in it and start playing music through it.

L422[08:33:46] <Cazzar> Freak out the data center techs.

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L424[08:34:10] <Curle> No, it's where I open up teamspeak and go to the most populated channel

L425[08:34:13] <Curle> and open up my mic

L426[08:34:24] <Curle> YEAH YEAH YEA-

L427[08:34:26] <Curle> ban'd

L428[08:34:50] <Curle> Shit scared like 200 people at the same time :3

L429[08:34:59] <gigaherz> lol

L430[08:35:04] <Cazzar> Also imagine this, someone doesn't want remote or phone assistance due to privacy concerns but wants a tech sent to their house to do it.

L431[08:35:14] <Cazzar> Double standards!

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L433[08:35:36] <sham1> But if they help through phone I cannot shotgun them if they can't fix it

L434[08:35:52] <Cazzar> I'm going to have soo many emails when I get to work tomorrow.

L435[08:35:56] <Cazzar> Today*

L436[08:36:08] <sham1> some day*

L437[08:36:15] <Curle> but if they help through phone I'll "accidentally" cut the phone line while chainsaw-trimming my garden

L438[08:36:20] <Cazzar> sham1 you can't do that in Australia

L439[08:36:37] <sham1> Or anywhere else for that matter

L440[08:36:37] <Cazzar> Curle then it isn't our fault!

L441[08:36:48] <Cazzar> It's Telstra's issue.

L442[08:37:03] <Cazzar> I also like how my phone just suggested ICOF

L443[08:37:23] <Cazzar> (Incorrect Call Out Fee)

L444[08:37:39] <sham1> Never trust autocorrect

L445[08:38:21] <Cazzar> I don't but when I typed Telstra it suggested ICOF

L446[08:39:14] <sham1> I thought it was another phone company and said (damn it, the little bastard has a preference)

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L448[08:40:52] <sham1> https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/467fz8/tfw_your_goto_place_for_cs_answers_is_the_club/

L449[08:41:00] <sham1> Something about programming humour in that thread

L450[08:41:41] <Curle> god damn it

L451[08:41:47] <Curle> NullPointerException

L452[08:41:54] <Curle> I know how to fix it tho

L453[08:41:55] <Curle> :DD

L454[08:42:09] <sham1> You don't reference Null?

L455[08:43:28] <Curle> nope

L456[08:43:39] <sham1> It feels so great when your headache just goes away after you have taken some ibuprofen. Feels like magic

L457[08:43:55] <Curle> It is magic!

L458[08:44:03] <sham1> More like chemistry but whatever

L459[08:44:48] <Curle> They're the same thing!

L460[08:45:28] <sham1> Meh, I like physics as a school subject more anyway

L461[08:45:40] <sham1> Makes more sense to me

L462[08:45:44] <sham1> Then again, I love maths

L463[08:45:54] <Curle> "What's your specialty?"

L464[08:46:08] <Curle> "Theoretical subatomic nuclear physics"

L465[08:46:25] <Curle> Gets them every time

L466[08:47:07] <sham1> In my case it probably would be something like "Theoretical computer science" or something. That is where I am aiming at any rate

L467[08:47:15] <sham1> Or anything comp science really

L468[08:47:36] <Curle> Theoretical programming?

L469[08:47:46] <sham1> Turing machines :P

L470[08:48:03] <sham1> Never existed yet can be used to predict stuff about algorithms

L471[08:48:05] <sham1> Pure math

L472[08:48:12] <sham1> s/math/maths/g

L473[08:48:14] <Curle> Just, a Minecraft mod that doesn't exist, but you can put this TJar into your mods folder and it somehow works xD

L474[08:48:46] <Curle> Glorious image

L475[08:50:31] <Curle> So you're using an idea from the 1800s to use a nonexistant machine to see how the world works?

L476[08:50:37] <Curle> Seems a bit flawed to me

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L479[08:51:00] <Curle> What if someone warps the definition?

L480[08:51:01] <sham1> That is how we rank stuff

L481[08:51:04] <Curle> Then you're screwed

L482[08:51:21] <sham1> The most your program can do is to do the same thing as what a Turing machine can do

L483[08:51:47] <sham1> Therefor it is called "Turing complete" which means that it can basically be used to do any calculation*

L484[08:51:58] <sham1> *Ignoring stuff like the halting problem

L485[08:52:11] <Curle> YEAS!

L486[08:52:19] <Curle> mod ported :D

L487[08:52:29] <Curle> No errors, everything works

L488[08:52:34] <Wuppy> o/

L489[08:52:42] <Curle> Without any tutorials :P

L490[08:52:47] <Curle> ohai wup

L491[08:52:54] <Wuppy> whats up Curle

L492[08:53:07] <Curle> Just finished porting my mod

L493[08:53:26] <Curle> Just need to make the jsons in bulk

L494[08:53:26] <Curle> xD

L495[08:53:43] <Wuppy> cool, I just finished a party weekend vacation trip

L496[08:53:51] <Wuppy> and in an hour it's back into the city for the afterparty :P

L497[08:54:00] <Curle> nice

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L499[08:55:40] <Curle> :O

L500[08:56:02] <Curle> Hi Liz!

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L502[09:00:17] <sham1> Yay for DuckDuckGo

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L504[09:01:44] <sham1> Damn it Steam API

L505[09:01:50] <sham1> Stop being stupid for once

L506[09:02:25] <Curle> woah

L507[09:02:26] <Curle> guys

L508[09:02:34] <Curle> i just found a half English penny

L509[09:02:49] <sham1> So it is an imigrant

L510[09:03:04] <Curle> no, it's a half penny

L511[09:03:10] <Curle> English Sterling

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L515[09:09:43] <Curle> neat

L516[09:10:00] <Curle> into the box of things i'll never see again you go!

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L518[09:18:06] <Wuppy> heh, I love how you can't make dominos deliver a 5 euro pizza online (8 euro minmum) but if you call them it's fine :P

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L520[09:18:25] <Curle> really?

L521[09:18:45] <Curle> I didn't know you could order Domino's online et al

L522[09:18:45] <Curle> :P

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L524[09:19:04] <Wuppy> strange, when you call here, they first tell you that you can order online

L525[09:19:11] <Wuppy> because that's the only way they want it I think

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L527[09:23:07] <Saphire> ..installer needs xorg?

L528[09:23:27] <Saphire> that's painful to get on a remote gentoo server :|

L529[09:26:13] <diesieben07> --installServer will just install without GUI

L530[09:27:49] <Saphire> ah, thanks >_>

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L538[09:40:16] <williewillus> vanilla te's got retroactively given capas right?

L539[09:40:24] <williewillus> IItemHandler, specifically

L540[09:42:11] <williewillus> also why does IItemHandlerModifiable say to not use it for the very purpose it exists?

L541[09:42:18] <williewillus> How else are we supposed to set stacks in the inv?

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L544[09:43:36] <Curle> rip

L545[09:43:42] <Curle> my favourite headset is discontinued

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L547[09:44:29] <williewillus> oh lol did not see the insert/extract methods on IItemHandler, nevermind

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L549[09:48:26] <williewillus> is there any way I can expose a double chest as a single IItemHandler?

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L551[09:48:43] <williewillus> I could do that using IInventory by manually constructing a INventoryLargeChest

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L553[09:49:59] <Gliby> I'm working on my GUI ethics. Should ESC always return to game, or parent gui(if exists)?

L554[09:50:12] <Gliby> what would u guys prefer?

L555[09:50:23] <williewillus> esc to get out completely, backspace for parent

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L557[09:51:12] <Gliby> backspace would be a new feature. eh sounds good enough

L558[09:51:56] <Gliby> compiz starts to lag out when i launch mc forge. <3 minecraft 4life

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L560[09:56:15] <sham1> McJty, you here as I have a question regarding RFTools

L561[09:56:36] <williewillus> why is IItemHandler not implemented on players >.>

L562[09:56:47] <McJty> I'm here

L563[09:56:52] <sham1> Do you haz maven

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L565[09:57:07] <McJty> Not in a working stage atm. Do you mean for rftools?

L566[09:57:12] <sham1> Yes

L567[09:57:20] <sham1> I need itonto my dev env

L568[09:57:28] <McJty> Just put in the normal rftools

L569[09:57:36] <McJty> With 1.8.9 you don't need deobf versions anymore

L570[09:57:44] <McJty> You can add any mod directly from curse or whatever

L571[09:58:00] <sham1> Is that so

L572[09:58:05] <Nitrodev> huh

L573[09:58:10] <McJty> Yep

L574[09:58:18] <McJty> You can basically add an entire modpack to your dev env

L575[09:58:20] <Nitrodev> i got dixconnected from every freenode chat i'm in

L576[09:58:26] <McJty> Without needing an entire dev version

L577[09:58:28] <McJty> I do it all the time

L578[09:58:34] <sham1> My god

L579[09:58:41] <sham1> ALL THE COMPATIBILITY TESTING

L580[09:58:47] <McJty> Just put it in run/mods

L581[09:58:48] <McJty> brb

L582[09:58:57] <sham1> I can't hold all these mods

L583[10:01:32] <sham1> Off to download the lib required by RFTools because...

L584[10:01:55] <sham1> This is why we do maven

L585[10:01:58] <McJty> yes, just mcjtylib and rftools and that works fine. I do exactly that for rftools dimensions and deep resonance

L586[10:02:09] <McJty> Well mcjtylib is on maven for 1.7.10

L587[10:02:21] <McJty> But never managed to get the 1.8.9 on maven to work and I had no time to look into it

L588[10:02:36] <sham1> Understandable

L589[10:03:03] <sham1> I love this feeling of not needing dev versions of mods

L590[10:03:10] <sham1> Wait

L591[10:03:15] <sham1> I just crashed somehow

L592[10:03:34] <sham1> >java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: mcjty/rftools/blocks/storage/PacketCompact$Handler

L593[10:03:38] <sham1> Damn it McJty

L594[10:03:46] <Gliby> McJty, how does that work?

L595[10:04:08] <McJty> Gliby, don't ask me. Apparently forge or something automatically deobfuscates mods in the mods folder in your dev env

L596[10:04:17] <sham1> Forge magic

L597[10:04:18] <sham1> That's how

L598[10:04:24] <Gliby> wow that's a really awesome feature

L599[10:04:25] <McJty> sham1, what versions did you put there? That should work

L600[10:04:32] <sham1> The lates from curse

L601[10:04:39] <sham1> FOr 1..9 obv

L602[10:04:42] <sham1> 1.8.9*

L603[10:04:46] <McJty> Also mcjtylib?

L604[10:04:51] <sham1> Yes

L605[10:05:16] <McJty> Well that's strange...

L606[10:05:20] <McJty> You use java8?

L607[10:05:23] <sham1> Yes...

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L609[10:05:44] <McJty> Where did you put mcjtylib and rftools exactly?

L610[10:05:53] <sham1> run/mods

L611[10:05:58] <sham1> Where they belong

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L613[10:06:10] <McJty> um

L614[10:06:22] <McJty> I do exactly the same for Deep Resonance and RFTools Dimensions

L615[10:06:28] <McJty> As well as I add several other mods too

L616[10:06:32] <McJty> Never had a problem with it

L617[10:06:36] <sham1> This does not find your class

L618[10:06:39] <sham1> That's the problem

L619[10:06:39] <McJty> Not sure what to say

L620[10:06:46] <McJty> yes but the class is in my code

L621[10:06:47] <sham1> Well, found a bug :P

L622[10:07:02] <McJty> Well it is not a bug for me

L623[10:07:02] <sham1> Let me check it with 7zip

L624[10:07:37] <sham1> It's here

L625[10:07:37] <McJty> Anyway, have to make food so afk for a while

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L627[10:07:45] <sham1> It just cannot load it for some reason

L628[10:07:55] <sham1> Let me try turning it off and on again

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L630[10:09:08] <Curle> "IT. Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

L631[10:09:53] <sham1> Hmm

L632[10:10:03] <sham1> This exception has something to do with ASM...

L633[10:11:51] <sham1> Wut is this

L634[10:11:59] <sham1> Curse does not have the latest version

L635[10:12:21] <sham1> When in doubt check the git repo to see the terrible mistake

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L637[10:13:36] <Curle> when in doubt...

L638[10:13:42] <Curle> gradlew clean

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L640[10:14:09] <sham1> This is just stupid error

L641[10:15:59] <sham1> But I have to wait for him to come back to expose that shit

L642[10:17:18] <McJty> b

L643[10:17:21] <McJty> So?

L644[10:17:42] <sham1> Curse does not have the latest beta version

L645[10:17:46] <sham1> I checked

L646[10:17:48] <McJty> Yes I know

L647[10:17:52] <McJty> But it works with older too

L648[10:18:10] <McJty> I have been doing this since I started developing on 1.8.9

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L650[10:18:54] <sham1> Let me just gist you the stacktrace

L651[10:19:29] <sham1> https://gist.github.com/sham1/9aff49334b62737b072d

L652[10:19:43] <sham1> That dun look good

L653[10:21:39] <McJty> I have no clue why it does that for you

L654[10:21:47] <McJty> The class is there and has been there for some time now

L655[10:21:55] <sham1> Yeah

L656[10:21:56] <McJty> And you confirmed yourselves that it was there with 7z

L657[10:22:01] <sham1> Mmm

L658[10:22:12] <McJty> Is this intellij or eclipse?

L659[10:22:18] <sham1> Eclipse env

L660[10:22:22] <sham1> It should not matter

L661[10:22:26] <McJty> I use intellij but not sure if that matters

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L663[10:22:41] <McJty> afk again (can't let my food burn)

L664[10:23:15] <sham1> That's a good policy to follow

L665[10:23:27] <sham1> Burned food is not usually good

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L668[10:25:37] <williewillus> why does iitemhandler not have a stack size limit method like iinv?

L669[10:25:48] <williewillus> migrating this is gonna be such a pita

L670[10:25:57] <gigaherz> it does not need one?

L671[10:25:59] <sham1> You can return the exess

L672[10:26:01] <sham1> Also that

L673[10:26:11] <gigaherz> you shouldn't be using the ItemHandlerModifiable methods

L674[10:26:18] <williewillus> I'm not

L675[10:26:20] <gigaherz> just the IItemHandler extract/insert

L676[10:26:23] <gigaherz> then

L677[10:26:24] <gigaherz> on insert

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L679[10:26:35] <gigaherz> just don't accept extra

L680[10:26:36] <williewillus> I want to test how much of an item I can put into an inv

L681[10:26:45] <sham1> simulate=true

L682[10:26:54] <gigaherz> int accepted = Math.min(limit-existing, given);

L683[10:26:59] <gigaherz> oh

L684[10:27:01] <williewillus> yeah but that doesn't try every slot/handle merging

L685[10:27:02] <gigaherz> then simulate=true

L686[10:27:19] <gigaherz> there's a method for it in ItemHandlerHelper?

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L688[10:27:45] <williewillus> oh lol that exists

L689[10:27:47] <gigaherz> remaining = ItemHandlerHelper.insertItem(inv, stack, true)

L690[10:28:10] <gigaherz> inserted = inv.stackSize - (remaining != null? remaining.stackSize : 0)

L691[10:28:16] <gigaherz> eh stack*

L692[10:29:54] <sham1> stack.stackSize

L693[10:29:56] <sham1> Seems reduntant

L694[10:30:05] <williewillus> why question it now :P

L695[10:30:10] <williewillus> its probably had that name for ages

L696[10:30:16] <sham1> We could change it

L697[10:30:30] <sham1> stack.size

L698[10:30:34] <sham1> or better yet

L699[10:30:36] <gigaherz> or .count

L700[10:30:38] <sham1> stack.getSize()

L701[10:30:41] <sham1> Yeah or that

L702[10:30:52] <sham1> getters and setters

L703[10:31:08] <sham1> Shows good OOP things

L704[10:31:40] <gigaherz> would be nice if Mojang were to release "reference" sources for mc, so that we could get the names of things

L705[10:31:40] <gigaherz> XD

L706[10:31:47] <gigaherz> then we'd know just how wrong the names are

L707[10:31:48] <gigaherz> XD

L708[10:32:43] <sham1> I wished that Mojang and Forge would put their forces together to make this modding stuff official, but we are going into unacceptible terratory as far as topic goes

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L710[10:33:08] <williewillus> is there a good mod to test capas with?

L711[10:33:08] <gigaherz> yeh

L712[10:33:15] <williewillus> to see if I'm using them properly

L713[10:33:22] <williewillus> something with side specific inventories, etc.

L714[10:33:27] <gigaherz> for IInventory?

L715[10:33:33] <gigaherz> vanilla furnace?

L716[10:33:37] <gigaherz> eh for IItemHandler*

L717[10:33:48] <gigaherz> vanilla furnace has side-specific inventories

L718[10:34:03] <sham1> Doesn't ender rift support IItemHandlers

L719[10:34:10] <gigaherz> and vanilla hopper can extract/insert things from side-specific inventories

L720[10:34:19] <gigaherz> it does

L721[10:34:26] <sham1> Well, there you go

L722[10:34:35] <gigaherz> but only as a consumer

L723[10:34:43] <gigaherz> it doesn't provide IItemHandlers yet

L724[10:35:30] <gigaherz> hmm

L725[10:35:31] <gigaherz> wait

L726[10:35:38] <gigaherz> the Rift Interface may hmm

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L728[10:35:50] <gigaherz> but no it won't work, since I don't test for the side

L729[10:36:11] <gigaherz> best way to verify your itemhandler "consumer" code is the vanilla furnace

L730[10:36:31] <sham1> What is a good not-RFTools mod for 1.8.9 that uses RF

L731[10:36:39] <sham1> Seeing as RFTools is acting weird to me

L732[10:36:44] <gigaherz> Neotech has RF-powered machines

L733[10:36:52] <sham1> Does it generate

L734[10:36:59] <gigaherz> it has a couple coal generators, yes

L735[10:37:23] <sham1> Looks a lot like thermal Expansion

L736[10:37:29] <sham1> That was prolly the point though

L737[10:37:37] <gigaherz> it's made to fill that hole

L738[10:37:39] <gigaherz> I think

L739[10:38:55] <sham1> Oh come on

L740[10:38:59] <gigaherz> btw

L741[10:39:05] <gigaherz> are you using the "official" api?

L742[10:39:10] <sham1> Yash

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L744[10:39:36] <sham1> Why does no mod work for me now

L745[10:39:49] <sham1> I cannot place them into the run/mods as they don't find their classes

L746[10:40:02] <gigaherz> o_O

L747[10:40:22] <williewillus> gigaherz: do you know why players don't have their inventory exposed via capas by default? 0.o

L748[10:40:22] <sham1> Even though they are present

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L750[10:40:36] <sham1> Which makes me slightly annoyed to say the least

L751[10:40:41] <gigaherz> williewillus: nope, but there's probably some reason for it

L752[10:40:55] <gigaherz> ask whoever did the capability ;P

L753[10:40:59] <williewillus> so.... I still need split everything :P

L754[10:41:10] <gigaherz> yo ucan add the capability yourself?

L755[10:41:17] <williewillus> yea but that defeats the purpose

L756[10:41:22] <williewillus> I'll make an issue and see

L757[10:41:23] <gigaherz> I mean like

L758[10:42:06] <gigaherz> on(<capability attach event>.Entity) {if entity instanceof Player && !hasCapability(Item handler)), attach your own wrapper for it }

L759[10:42:38] <williewillus> but the point is unification, it's defeated if every mod has to attach their own wrapper

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L761[10:42:55] <gigaherz> I know

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L764[10:45:21] <sham1> This is real annoying

L765[10:45:56] <Mata> is there anything built into minecraft to do multithreading or shall i just use java's threading

L766[10:46:17] <sham1> You can use threads

L767[10:46:25] <sham1> However the game is not threadsafe

L768[10:46:29] <sham1> So be warned

L769[10:46:30] <Mata> hmm

L770[10:46:39] <Mata> update checker

L771[10:46:43] <Mata> i could run it on main thread

L772[10:46:48] <sham1> NO

L773[10:46:50] <Mata> :P

L774[10:47:08] <Mata> i expected a answer something like that

L775[10:47:23] <sham1> First of all, you don't run update checkers on main threads. Second of all, forge has a built in update checker you can use

L776[10:47:26] <gigaherz> Mata: use forge's?

L777[10:47:36] <gigaherz> forge has a system that checks for updates

L778[10:47:37] <Mata> really?

L779[10:47:41] <sham1> Yas

L780[10:47:42] <gigaherz> shows as a green "U" on the modlist

L781[10:47:43] <Mata> omg

L782[10:47:47] <sham1> For 1.8.9 at the very least

L783[10:47:54] <Mata> im suing 1.7.10

L784[10:47:56] <Mata> *using

L785[10:48:00] <gigaherz> ah no idea if 1.7.10 had it

L786[10:48:09] <sham1> 1.9 literally comes out tomorrow yet you still use 1.7.10

L787[10:48:18] <Mata> Someone asked me to make a concept

L788[10:48:25] <Mata> and i decided to work out that concept into a mod

L789[10:48:37] <Mata> basicly the difficulty locking

L790[10:48:40] <sham1> Although I guess I can bend a little and give some stuff

L791[10:48:40] <Mata> that 1.8 has

L792[10:48:41] <williewillus> wtf

L793[10:48:50] <sham1> Regarding making an update checker

L794[10:48:54] <williewillus> my stack in an entityitem is changing sizes mysteriously

L795[10:49:25] <sham1> wut

L796[10:49:43] <sham1> Also, I'm feeling salty

L797[10:49:44] <gigaherz> Mata: you need an update checker for such a simple mod? :/

L798[10:49:50] <Mata> not really

L799[10:49:52] <Mata> but i thought

L800[10:50:00] <Mata> i had a curse lib written on my desktop

L801[10:50:00] <williewillus> ah there we go

L802[10:50:04] <Mata> why not implement it

L803[10:50:07] <gigaherz> ah

L804[10:50:08] <williewillus> didn't pass a copy to the simulate

L805[10:50:41] <williewillus> but that means the deafult capa implementations modify the stack even if simulate is true

L806[10:50:41] <Mata> meh true i dont really need a update checker

L807[10:53:58] <gigaherz> yeah it's a semantic I don't like

L808[10:54:08] <gigaherz> blame java for not having immutability modifiers ;P

L809[10:59:53] <sham1> final

L810[11:01:03] <sham1> ;P

L811[11:01:29] <williewillus> or blame mojang for making stacks mutable ;p

L812[11:01:51] <sham1> That seems better

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L815[11:03:40] <Mata> I just f8ked up and no idea how or what lol http://pastebin.com/FHKDS7wh

L816[11:03:51] <gigaherz> williewillus: meh, that still lets you call methods that change an object

L817[11:04:01] <gigaherz> imagine osmething like C++'s const

L818[11:04:06] <williewillus> lol

L819[11:04:09] <gigaherz> that can be applied to the classitself

L820[11:04:14] <williewillus> which of the billion uses of const are you referring to

L821[11:04:24] <gigaherz> which means any method call not marked as const will fail to compile

L822[11:04:38] <gigaherz> if the pointer/reference is const

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L824[11:04:59] <gigaherz> C++ has

L825[11:05:05] <gigaherz> public:

L826[11:05:17] <gigaherz> int getSomething() const {return something; }

L827[11:05:32] <gigaherz> which allows the method to be called on a const reference

L828[11:05:44] <Mata> derp *http://pastebin.com/JyxSHT1Z

L829[11:05:48] <gigaherz> and prevents the method from having side-effects that modify the contents of the class

L830[11:06:35] <gigaherz> if you combine that with whichever combination of pointer and const is, you can make a reference immutable

L831[11:06:42] <gigaherz> while still allowing you to assign other objects onto the pointer

L832[11:06:51] <gigaherz> neither C# nor Java have that as a feature

L833[11:07:06] <williewillus> I feel like that's for better tbh

L834[11:07:10] <williewillus> the const system is convoluted

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L836[11:07:59] <williewillus> just a top level omdifier that makes all fields and the class final would be fine

L837[11:08:15] <gigaherz> it is

L838[11:08:18] <gigaherz> or more accurately

L839[11:08:24] <gigaherz> the issue is calling ALL OF THAT const

L840[11:08:44] <gigaherz> if they had "const", "final" and "readonly" as 3 separate keywords

L841[11:08:49] <gigaherz> things would be much nicer to manage

L842[11:08:49] <gigaherz> XD

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L844[11:10:39] <giggybyte> howdy

L845[11:11:42] <williewillus> is there a read-only impl of IItemHandler?

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L847[11:12:08] <williewillus> not hard to make one but just wondering

L848[11:12:55] <giggybyte> basically i suck at java and i'm trying to make a simple mod so i can creative fly in survival mode

L849[11:13:15] <Mata> lol its 1 simple line of code that last time i looked

L850[11:13:22] <sham1> it is

L851[11:13:23] <Mata> dont remember what one tho

L852[11:13:38] <giggybyte> well i tried this: EntityPlayer.capabilities.allowFlying = true;

L853[11:13:44] <Mata> best thing is, server *sometimes* listens to client

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L855[11:13:55] <sham1> Well capabilities is not a static field

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L858[11:14:15] <giggybyte> but eclipse fusses at me for making a static reference to non-static field

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L860[11:14:29] <Mata> you have to get the player

L861[11:14:36] <Mata> Minecraft.getMinecraft().thePlayer

L862[11:14:39] <sham1> NO

L863[11:14:41] <Mata> :P

L864[11:14:54] <giggybyte> no? is getting the player bad practice?

L865[11:15:00] <sham1> Like that yes

L866[11:15:04] <sham1> It crashes on server

L867[11:15:09] <sham1> Also it may not work on server anyway

L868[11:15:13] <Mata> ^

L869[11:15:13] <sham1> Because you set it on client

L870[11:15:25] <Mata> sham1, server sometimes listens to client :P

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L872[11:15:38] <Mata> i remember i was able to sort of lag fly on non modded server

L873[11:15:46] <Mata> but it isnt worth it for that

L874[11:15:49] <giggybyte> the server i play on is very lenient, found by my own testing

L875[11:16:05] <sham1> but yeah, you want to use PlayerLoginEvent to get your player instance

L876[11:17:47] <sham1> Anyway, I have problem

L877[11:17:56] <sham1> Why can't I use any mods on my dev instance

L878[11:18:00] <sham1> I don't understand this

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L881[11:20:17] <Mata> The real question is, why does my mod work in developer instance

L882[11:20:20] <Mata> but once built

L883[11:20:27] <Mata> it throws a ugly crash

L884[11:20:35] <Mata> and no references to my mod in the crashreport

L885[11:20:46] <sham1> My problem is that the classloader does not seem to find the classes that are present

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L887[11:24:28] <giggybyte> do i need to decompile a stock minecraft without forge? in eclipse i can only see forge but not the original mc code

L888[11:24:38] <Mata> You can

L889[11:24:41] <Mata> owait

L890[11:24:44] <Mata> you use eclipse

L891[11:24:49] <Mata> i dont know how to with eclipse

L892[11:25:04] <williewillus> did you use setupDecompWorkspace?

L893[11:25:08] <giggybyte> i did

L894[11:25:09] <Mata> but should be in external libraries somewhere

L895[11:25:13] <williewillus> yeah

L896[11:25:19] <giggybyte> yeah i can import from net.minecraft fine

L897[11:25:25] <giggybyte> but i can't see the code anywhere

L898[11:25:27] <williewillus> use eclipse's "open class" (ctrl shift T) and type the class name you want to see

L899[11:25:36] <williewillus> at least I think its ctrl shift t :P

L900[11:26:02] <giggybyte> williewillus, that worked. thank you!

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L902[11:27:38] <williewillus> !gm func_82214_u

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L905[11:31:21] <sham1> >uses the latest version of NeoTech, gets error

L906[11:31:27] <sham1> >Uses earlier version and gets no error

L907[11:31:28] <sham1> Wat

L908[11:31:48] <gigaherz> are you SURE you are using the latest RF api?

L909[11:32:14] <gigaherz> the one on the 1.8 cofh branch is incompatible with the older one from progressive automation

L910[11:32:44] <sham1> Well from the stack trace it looks like the error is not related to my RF version

L911[11:34:42] <sham1> So I doubt it is has anything to do with it

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L913[11:37:48] <sham1> But which one should I use

L914[11:37:53] <sham1> I'd prefer the official

L915[11:37:54] <williewillus> !gm func_181033_a

L916[11:38:02] <giggybyte> omg eclipse

L917[11:38:09] <williewillus> !sm func_181033_a canDestroyBlock

L918[11:38:20] <giggybyte> fussing at me for an error and i have no clue what i'm doing wrong...

L919[11:38:30] <williewillus> well what's the error?

L920[11:38:33] <giggybyte> so i delete the offending line and retype it exactly...

L921[11:38:36] <giggybyte> and the error is gone

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L926[11:42:44] <giggybyte> on a different note, using setPlayerWalkSpeed from capabilities just changes your fov as if you drank a swiftness potion, but doesn't actually change your speed...

L927[11:43:18] <williewillus> do you do it on both sides?

L928[11:43:21] <williewillus> also don't set that manually

L929[11:43:24] <williewillus> use attribute modifiers

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L938[11:43:52] <giggybyte> what do you mean both sides? i'm sorry for the silly questions

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L942[11:44:28] <sham1> You should read the official documentation to understand what sides mean

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L944[11:44:56] <giggybyte> i'm assuming that is the one at http://mcforge.readthedocs.org/ ?

L945[11:45:05] <sham1> yes

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L951[11:48:30] <giggybyte> ooh i have an idea i'll look at the potion code and see how swiftness does it

L952[11:49:15] <williewillus> it just applies an attribute modifier

L953[11:49:18] <williewillus> so use those

L954[11:52:56] <giggybyte> williewillus, thanks. i'll see what i can do.

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L957[12:04:24] <Gliby> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX-V6FDI1b8

L958[12:04:58] <Gliby> (no context)

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L961[12:09:10] <williewillus> why is IModelCustomData generic now

L962[12:09:16] <williewillus> what is the type sparam supposed to be..

L963[12:09:34] <williewillus> nvm

L964[12:09:36] <williewillus> :P

L965[12:09:49] <Mata> Aww danget

L966[12:09:55] <Doxin> okay so I'm trying to make a mod (huzzah) and I'm having trouble getting forge to find the block model file. I keep getting "[Client thread/WARN] [FML]: Unable to load block model: 'conveyor:block/conveyor_flat' for variant: 'conveyors:conveyor#normal': java.io.FileNotFoundException: conveyor:models/block/conveyor_flat.json" even though I have a file at /src/main/resources/assets/conveyors/models/block/conveyor_flat.json

L967[12:10:05] <Mata> i dont have a rdns anymore on esper

L968[12:10:20] <williewillus> Doxin: conveyor vs conveyors

L969[12:10:23] <williewillus> read the error again

L970[12:10:25] <Mata> lol

L971[12:10:32] <Doxin> ah dammit

L972[12:10:43] <Doxin> williewillus: thanks, I've been staring at that for a long time now

L973[12:10:58] <Mata> It happends to the best of us

L974[12:10:58] <Mata> :p

L975[12:12:12] <Doxin> well that fixes it

L976[12:12:24] <Doxin> serves me right for having a conveyor block in a conveyors namespace I guess

L977[12:16:24] <williewillus> what the hell is this http://pastebin.com/7DCEaBuM

L978[12:16:33] <williewillus> first time I've ever gotetn that when gradle build ing

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L982[12:24:28] <giggybyte> is it bad to use Minecraft.getMinecraft.thePlayer.addPotionEffect for potions?

L983[12:24:44] <giggybyte> for potion effects*?

L984[12:25:25] <sham1> Stop using Minecraft.getMinecraft()

L985[12:25:31] <gigaherz> you should apply the potion on the server

L986[12:25:35] <sham1> ^

L987[12:25:41] <gigaherz> which means Minecraft.getMinecraft() is NOT an option

L988[12:25:56] <gigaherz> even if you are in singleplayer, the server is the server

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L990[12:26:05] <giggybyte> hmm ok

L991[12:27:14] <williewillus> did you read my side article?

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L996[12:37:04] <Doxin> so why doesn't this model http://paste.pound-python.org/show/kR3tcSv8PhaXI93LNsdO/ use the texture from /src/main/resources/assets/conveyors/textures/blocks/conveyor_up.png? instead I get the broken-texture texture.

L997[12:38:56] <williewillus> it has the right shape though?

L998[12:40:16] <Doxin> only in-world, not in-inventory

L999[12:40:52] <Doxin> it's wrong in-hand too

L1000[12:42:35] <gigaherz> the .png

L1001[12:42:38] <gigaherz> you don't haveto write it in

L1002[12:42:46] <Doxin> oh

L1003[12:42:56] <gigaherz> it's looking for .png.png ;P

L1004[12:43:58] <Doxin> gigaherz: still doesn't work.

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L1006[12:49:04] <Doxin> so, anyone any clue as to why this wouldn't work?

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L1009[12:52:46] <gigaherz> Doxin: can you try moving the textures block outside "elements"?

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L1012[12:54:36] <Doxin> gigaherz: that fixes it, thanks!

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L1018[13:06:47] <Doxin> so why isn't my block rendering correctly in inventories?

L1019[13:06:51] <Doxin> it works fine in the world

L1020[13:08:06] <williewillus> do you setCustomMRL?

L1021[13:08:10] <gigaherz> do you have a ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation

L1022[13:08:13] <gigaherz> call in your clientproxy?

L1023[13:08:37] <Doxin> uh, no? none of the example code/tutorials I found so far have mentioned anything of the sort

L1024[13:09:06] <gigaherz> you may have something to do with item mesh whatever

L1025[13:09:19] <gigaherz> that's obsolete, has been obsolete since like april last year

L1026[13:09:26] <gigaherz> but tutorials don't seem to get fixed

L1027[13:10:05] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/PackingTape/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/packingtape/client/ClientProxy.java#L27

L1028[13:10:14] <gigaherz> the addVariantName call isn't needed anymore in 1.8.9

L1029[13:10:39] <Doxin> what is a clientproxy even?

L1030[13:10:54] <gigaherz> the mod can get loaded in two different places

L1031[13:10:58] <gigaherz> the client jar

L1032[13:11:00] <Doxin> right

L1033[13:11:02] <gigaherz> or the dedicated server jar

L1034[13:11:04] <Doxin> right

L1035[13:11:15] <gigaherz> the proxy is a system that loads one of two classes

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L1037[13:11:22] <gigaherz> depending on which jar the mod is in

L1038[13:11:38] <Doxin> okay?

L1039[13:11:53] <Doxin> gigaherz: sounds like a recipy for code duplication ?_?

L1040[13:11:56] <tterrag> use @SidedProxy and a field in your main mod class

L1041[13:11:58] <tterrag> it's not

L1042[13:12:05] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/PackingTape/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/packingtape/ModPackingTape.java#L43

L1043[13:12:07] <tterrag> because typically you extend the common (server) proxy

L1044[13:12:09] <Delenas-> Client and rendering stuff in one (server doesn't care) and the logic in the other. (Client doesn't process that)

L1045[13:12:10] <gigaherz> you apply for it with something like that

L1046[13:12:16] <gigaherz> Doxin: nah the point is

L1047[13:12:27] <gigaherz> rendering-related things make no sense in a dedicated server

L1048[13:12:34] <Doxin> right

L1049[13:12:34] <gigaherz> and in fact, they can easily reference classes that just plain do not exist

L1050[13:12:51] <gigaherz> the proxy system allows you to have code that references non-existant classes

L1051[13:13:01] <gigaherz> wihtout causing loading errors in de dedicated server

L1052[13:13:44] <gigaherz> there's also a few cases where some mods may reference server-only classes, such as remote administration tools that interact with the dedicated server GUI

L1053[13:13:59] <gigaherz> so the most common case is to have an empty server proxy

L1054[13:14:08] <gigaherz> and a client proxy where you run the rendering-related registrations

L1055[13:14:19] <gigaherz> most common of all in 1.8.9, is ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation

L1056[13:14:32] <gigaherz> but even in older versions, you still had it for things like TESRs and entity renderers

L1057[13:14:59] <Doxin> so how do I get that working then?

L1058[13:15:04] <gigaherz> step 1

L1059[13:15:04] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/PackingTape/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/packingtape/ISideProxy.java

L1060[13:15:14] <gigaherz> create an interface, something like that

L1061[13:15:25] <gigaherz> a superclass would work too, but I prefer an interface

L1062[13:15:40] <gigaherz> step 2:

L1063[13:15:41] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/PackingTape/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/packingtape/client/ClientProxy.java

L1064[13:15:47] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/PackingTape/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/packingtape/server/ServerProxy.java

L1065[13:15:55] <gigaherz> implement the client and server proxy classes

L1066[13:16:11] <gigaherz> step 3:

L1067[13:16:11] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/PackingTape/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/packingtape/ModPackingTape.java#L43,L44

L1068[13:16:17] <gigaherz> declare the proxy "holder"

L1069[13:16:24] <gigaherz> it will be assigned on your behalf, by FML

L1070[13:16:37] <gigaherz> step 4:

L1071[13:16:38] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/PackingTape/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/packingtape/ModPackingTape.java#L70

L1072[13:16:47] <gigaherz> call the preInit method from the end of your pre-init handler

L1073[13:16:55] <gigaherz> to ensure you have already registered your blocks and items

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L1075[13:17:18] <gigaherz> and if, in the future, you need to do initializations during init (less common)

L1076[13:17:28] <gigaherz> you probably want to do so from the beginning of the init handler

L1077[13:17:28] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/PackingTape/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/packingtape/ModPackingTape.java#L76

L1078[13:17:43] <gigaherz> (the init is optional, I just have it out of habit)

L1079[13:18:04] <Doxin> right

L1080[13:18:15] <Doxin> gimme a sec, struggling with javas type system :I

L1081[13:18:24] <gigaherz> take your time

L1082[13:19:08] <Doxin> why do I get a "cannot reduce visibility" error here? those have the same visibility ._.

L1083[13:19:27] <gigaherz> your preinit method needs to be public, becauseit's on the interface

L1084[13:19:45] <Doxin> right

L1085[13:20:21] <Doxin> there we go

L1086[13:20:26] <Doxin> gigaherz: right so I've got my proxies

L1087[13:20:39] <Doxin> now how do I get the item to render correctly :P

L1088[13:20:54] <gigaherz> look at my client proxy code

L1089[13:21:07] <gigaherz> I have this "registerBlockModelAsItem" method

L1090[13:21:19] <gigaherz> feel free to steal it ;P

L1091[13:21:29] * Doxin does so

L1092[13:21:30] <Doxin> :P

L1093[13:22:04] <Doxin> sometimes I want to strangle eclipse

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L1097[13:24:01] <Doxin> > game crashed

L1098[13:24:04] <Doxin> well that aint good

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L1100[13:26:06] <Doxin> gigaherz: so exactly what format does the @SidedProxy expect my classes to be in? it's complaining it can't find them

L1101[13:26:22] <tterrag> fully qualified

L1102[13:26:26] <tterrag> my.package.MyClass

L1103[13:26:41] <gigaherz> Doxin: you need the full package name

L1104[13:28:38] <Doxin> gigaherz: registerBlockModelAsItem is throwing a nullpointer exception?

L1105[13:29:11] <gigaherz> Doxin: are you calling preInit AFTER doing the registerItem/registerBlock?

L1106[13:29:25] <Doxin> oh I guess that's pretty important :P

L1107[13:29:38] <gigaherz> yeah that's why I said yo uwant it at the END of your preInit handler

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L1109[13:34:56] <tterrag> so if I have an IModel which depends on another model, how can I get that dependency's baked model during baking?

L1110[13:35:31] <gigaherz> ModelLoader.getModel(...), then bake it yourself

L1111[13:35:32] <gigaherz> ;P

L1112[13:37:08] <tterrag> I don't have a ModelLoader instance

L1113[13:37:15] <gigaherz> ?

L1114[13:37:27] <gigaherz> ah sorry

L1115[13:37:28] <gigaherz> ModelLoaderRegistry.getModel

L1116[13:37:29] <gigaherz> ;P

L1117[13:37:32] <gigaherz> static method

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L1119[13:37:54] <tterrag> oh?

L1120[13:37:54] <tterrag> ok

L1121[13:38:46] <AvariceSyn> Is anyone available for some mod compatibility assistance?

L1122[13:38:55] <tterrag> thanks

L1123[13:38:57] <gigaherz> AvariceSyn: just explain your issue

L1124[13:39:10] <gigaherz> and we'll know if anyone knows

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L1127[13:39:40] <AvariceSyn> Botania and Applecore are incompatible, causing server crash on bonemeal use on Buried petals.

L1128[13:40:10] <gigaherz> did you speak with the respective authors?

L1129[13:41:04] <AvariceSyn> vazkii (botania) released final update for 1.7.10 a day or two ago, and have not yet been able to reach squeek(applecore)

L1130[13:41:46] <AvariceSyn> looking to implement a fix for this myself, but I'm not sure if it's easier to add botania support to applecore, or the other way around

L1131[13:42:11] <gigaherz> depends on what the issue is

L1132[13:42:42] <AvariceSyn> AppleCore only requires class block to implement net.minecraft.block.IGrowable, whereas Botania uses a different method

L1133[13:44:28] <AvariceSyn> I'm not looking for someone to fix it for me so much as to tell me whether or not I'll be wasting time trying to do this or to disable bonemeal's affect altogether. The only other problem is that Thaumcraft also uses bonemeal affect on Hoe of Growth, which also crashes server.

L1134[13:45:24] <williewillus> it's a quirk with how botania's code is laid out

L1135[13:45:38] <williewillus> and how the other mod is invoking the method 0.o

L1136[13:45:43] <williewillus> it's using reflection?

L1137[13:46:15] <AvariceSyn> That's kind of the issue I'm having with understanding how botania is doing things lol xD

L1138[13:46:40] <AvariceSyn> That, and I totally played Solitaire through my Java class in high school.

L1139[13:46:57] <williewillus> botania has sideonly client methods mixed in to common classes

L1140[13:47:11] <williewillus> which is kinda bad because any time someone tries to reflect that class it'll crash a server

L1141[13:47:19] <williewillus> but the laternative is big code reshuffling

L1142[13:47:29] <williewillus> but I'm wondering why applecore needs to use reflection?

L1143[13:48:11] <AvariceSyn> where are you seeing that?

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L1145[13:49:21] <AvariceSyn> ahh, I see

L1146[13:49:49] <giggybyte> as someone who is new to forge... it's terrible yet amazing how all these mods in modpacks are just hacked together to work

L1147[13:50:07] <williewillus> lol

L1148[13:50:12] <williewillus> it's the easiest it's ever been

L1149[13:50:17] <williewillus> I assume you weren't around in 1.2 :P

L1150[13:50:26] <sham1> Pre 1.3 was pain

L1151[13:50:27] <gigaherz> yeah therse days

L1152[13:50:35] <gigaherz> when something is NOT compatible

L1153[13:50:43] <gigaherz> more often than not, it's because of ASMing

L1154[13:50:50] <AvariceSyn> No more server/client mod independence, yay

L1155[13:51:20] <williewillus> yeah

L1156[13:51:25] <williewillus> applecore is using reflection

L1157[13:51:30] <sham1> The only errors with mods that make them not work

L1158[13:51:32] <williewillus> to call the methods which the botania class doesn't like

L1159[13:51:35] <giggybyte> damn mirrors

L1160[13:51:46] <sham1> I have seen only 3 in the last month or so

L1161[13:51:50] <sham1> All of the happening today

L1162[13:52:02] <sham1> On my dev env

L1163[13:52:11] <sham1> So yeah, it could be lot worse

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L1165[13:52:36] <williewillus> my example is always tekkit. back then, 40 mods together???? WITH BUKKIT? magical

L1166[13:52:47] <sham1> Mmm

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L1168[13:52:51] <sham1> Now we have hundrads

L1169[13:53:01] <sham1> And no bukkit

L1170[13:53:02] <AvariceSyn> Issue I submit on botania github isn't gong to be fixed until 1.8 for that reason, but most authors are holding out until 1.9, and a lot of the core mods I'm using are no longer being developed/havent been in months-year

L1171[13:53:19] <sham1> williewillus is porting botania to 1.8

L1172[13:53:31] <gigaherz> AvariceSyn: actually most big mod authors are actively porting to 1.8.9, or already have 1.8.9 releases ;P

L1173[13:53:34] <sham1> Also, why do you use coremods

L1174[13:53:36] <AvariceSyn> I just recognized the name

L1175[13:53:47] <gigaherz> even cofh gave in ;P

L1176[13:53:48] <williewillus> sham1: bother the mod author not the user :P

L1177[13:53:53] <williewillus> about coremods that is

L1178[13:53:58] <sham1> Meh

L1179[13:53:59] <AvariceSyn> not using 'coremods' just mods I want to keep around, generally speaking, that are crucial to my mod pack

L1180[13:54:02] <AvariceSyn> sorry

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L1182[13:54:27] <sham1> Tomorrow is 1.9 time

L1183[13:54:42] <sham1> Also COTH really didn't give in. They still hate EnumFacing but meh

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L1185[13:54:44] <giggybyte> why are speed values so exact?

L1186[13:54:49] <sham1> Because

L1187[13:54:54] <AvariceSyn> I always get back into minecraft just before a major release that breaks everything -.-

L1188[13:54:55] <williewillus> giggybyte: you should not be manipulating speed values manually

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L1190[13:54:58] <williewillus> are you using attributes?

L1191[13:55:01] <williewillus> if not, use attributes

L1192[13:55:12] <giggybyte> oh i'm just digging through all the code right now

L1193[13:55:28] <williewillus> ah

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L1196[13:56:46] <AvariceSyn> willie, would it be possible to add compatibility on AppleCore's side? It seems squeek's done it for witchery.

L1197[13:57:45] <AvariceSyn> I was initially trying to find him on IRC, but I didn't see a server to reach him at.

L1198[13:58:05] <williewillus> depends idk what the codfe looks like on that side

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L1205[14:00:08] <williewillus> wait what is it even doing

L1206[14:00:26] <williewillus> gigaherz: looks like it is asm at fault ;P

L1207[14:00:28] <williewillus> https://github.com/squeek502/AppleCore/blob/1.7.10/java/squeek/applecore/asm/Hooks.java#L175-L220

L1208[14:00:47] <AvariceSyn> I don't know how to explain it properly

L1209[14:00:47] <williewillus> it seems to rename IGrowable methods using asm

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L1212[14:01:48] <sham1> When the ASM is not a problem I am really surprised

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L1214[14:02:41] <AvariceSyn> Is that to be able to disable the use of fertilization?

L1215[14:02:44] <gigaherz> williewillus: wat

L1216[14:02:44] <gigaherz> XD

L1217[14:03:04] <Adg> Im trying to get rid of the flame effect on screen (when swimming in lava for excample), but can't seem to find any code for it. Can anybody point me in the right direction?

L1218[14:03:36] <giggybyte> williewillus: is there not an attribute for flying speed?

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L1220[14:03:54] <williewillus> the main speed attribute controls flying speed as well

L1221[14:03:58] <Doxin> giggybyte: right so I've got the registerBlockModelAsItem going, but it's still not rendering in inventories

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L1224[14:04:07] <williewillus> lol wrong person

L1225[14:04:10] <giggybyte> Doxin: perhaps you meant gigaherz

L1226[14:04:12] <williewillus> are there errors in the log?

L1227[14:04:17] <sham1> tab-completion

L1228[14:04:54] <giggybyte> i was a little scared before i realized because i was like "uhhhhhhhh i don't know???"

L1229[14:04:58] <gigaherz> Doxin: errors in the log? ;P

L1230[14:05:02] <fry> williewillus: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/commit/7b7d18f6766438aec28d6087e72038dea16b0cd2

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L1232[14:05:06] <Doxin> gigaherz: nope

L1233[14:05:07] <fry> I told you to look at it

L1234[14:05:10] <Doxin> giggybyte: I sure did, sorry.

L1235[14:05:20] <giggybyte> doxin: lol it's ok

L1236[14:05:23] <williewillus> fry: it doesn't work for the issue I'm describing

L1237[14:05:42] <williewillus> the original model passed in has 0 0 0 for the head rotations

L1238[14:05:47] <sham1> "remove 1.9" Well what if I do not want to remove 1.9

L1239[14:05:55] <williewillus> wiat

L1240[14:05:58] <williewillus> I know why

L1241[14:06:03] <williewillus> armor stands haev a custom LayerCustomHead

L1242[14:06:11] <williewillus> which somehow doesn't pick up the right rotations? idk

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L1244[14:06:40] <gigaherz> Doxin: not even some "could not load blahbalh#inventory" message?

L1245[14:06:45] <Doxin> no

L1246[14:07:02] <Doxin> gigaherz: I've got an "inventory" variant defined by the way

L1247[14:07:58] <williewillus> pastebin json again

L1248[14:08:22] <AvariceSyn> Thanks for the help understanding this, willie. Going to try to find an alternative solution.

L1249[14:09:09] <williewillus> hmm looks like layercustomhead is only for skulls and blocks in the helm slot

L1250[14:09:14] <williewillus> so not applicable to custom models

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L1254[14:12:22] <Adg> setting isImmuneToFire() doesnt help...I still get the flames

L1255[14:13:03] <Doxin> gigaherz: halp ;_;

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L1257[14:13:41] <williewillus> show your json

L1258[14:13:48] <Doxin> who me?

L1259[14:13:53] <williewillus> yeah

L1260[14:13:57] <sham1> Adg BlockOverlayRenderEvent is all I say for now

L1261[14:14:01] <sham1> That will get you going

L1262[14:14:11] <Doxin> williewillus: this is conveyor.json http://paste.pound-python.org/show/sTAavXPinJ4Ptp92dpea/

L1263[14:14:11] <Adg> thx :)

L1264[14:14:25] <williewillus> add [] around both of those

L1265[14:14:30] <Doxin> williewillus: this is conveyor_flat.json: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/H7MrePFLYw2IwArrnfwY/

L1266[14:14:33] <williewillus> "normal": [{ <stuff> }]

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L1268[14:14:37] <Doxin> oh

L1269[14:14:42] <williewillus> "inventory": [{ <stuff> }]

L1270[14:14:49] <Doxin> sec

L1271[14:14:54] <williewillus> oh also

L1272[14:15:01] <williewillus> you need "forge_marker": 1

L1273[14:15:05] <williewillus> at the top

L1274[14:15:06] <gigaherz> williewillus: isn't the [] only needed for forge blockstates?

L1275[14:15:18] <williewillus> you need to use forge blockstates to have item model in blockstate json

L1276[14:15:33] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/PackingTape/blob/master/src/main/resources/assets/packingtape/blockstates/packagedBlock.json

L1277[14:15:47] <Doxin> williewillus: above variants?

L1278[14:15:58] <williewillus> gigaherz: no but if you want to define inventory in blockstate json you need forge format

L1279[14:16:00] <williewillus> Doxin: yup

L1280[14:16:04] <gigaherz> ah right

L1281[14:16:10] <gigaherz> I used the old-style thing in there

L1282[14:16:18] <gigaherz> with the separate model json files

L1283[14:16:35] <Doxin> williewillus: still doesn't work

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L1285[14:16:55] <williewillus> with the brackets and forge_marker?

L1286[14:17:07] <Doxin> williewillus: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/2DyctbqzPExJY7s9tO8p/

L1287[14:17:38] <fry> williewillus: LayerCustomHead only handles pumpkin/skull

L1288[14:17:56] <fry> the rest of the armor is rendered the same way

L1289[14:18:25] <williewillus> fry: i don't know where the info is being lost, all vanilla and modded armor that render the normal way are fine, but all custom armor models seem to have this issue

L1290[14:18:48] <williewillus> where they face where the entity faces, which is always south for armorstands, instead of respecting armorstand head rotations

L1291[14:19:20] <fry> how are you getting the head rotations?

L1292[14:21:01] <williewillus> I tried both grabbing it from the original model passed in - didn't work because the original just has 0 0 0 for head modelbase rotation. then I tried copying ModelArmorStandArmor.setRotationAngles, where it gets it off the entity

L1293[14:21:03] <williewillus> didn't work either

L1294[14:22:28] <williewillus> then I just tried setting random values for model.bipedHead/bipedHeadwear.rotationAngleX/Y/Z and nothing seemed to change, but didn't do it enough to be certain

L1295[14:29:34] <Adg> sham1 got it working, thx again for the pointer

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L1297[14:56:50] <Delenas-> Would anyone happen to have that gist with all of forge's model keywords?

L1298[14:57:35] <Delenas-> ..ohwait. Read up, ignore me. >.>

L1299[14:58:47] <williewillus> https://gist.github.com/RainWarrior/0618131f51b8d37b80a6 and https://gist.github.com/williewillus/57d7093efa80163e96e0

L1300[14:59:52] <giggybyte> is there a way to make a client-side only command?

L1301[15:00:15] <williewillus> yep

L1302[15:00:20] <williewillus> look at ClientCommandHandler

L1303[15:02:17] <Delenas-> Mrp. That.. actually didn't help much. Bah. Trying to use this blockstate file: https://bitbucket.org/snippets/ostenvighx/krod4 to flip the model upside down. For some reason applying the scale flips it.

L1304[15:05:19] <williewillus> wiat you just said you wanted to flip it

L1305[15:05:24] <williewillus> and that the blockstate file does flip it

L1306[15:05:27] <williewillus> problem solved? :D

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L1308[15:05:38] <Delenas-> It's upside down in third person

L1309[15:07:25] <williewillus> then you need a "thirdperson" section :P

L1310[15:08:07] <Delenas-> ...I need sleep.

L1311[15:08:19] * Delenas- facedesk. Good god.

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L1314[15:13:03] <Delenas-> ..I can't even -see- it in first person. Derp.

L1315[15:13:18] <Delenas-> In blender, is there a specific coordinate I should have as a root?

L1316[15:14:02] <gigaherz> your models should be on the cube formed between (0,0,0) and (1,1,1)

L1317[15:14:19] <gigaherz> or well, I think it was (1,-1,1)?

L1318[15:14:28] <gigaherz> (due to the conversion from Z up to Y up)

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L1320[15:21:46] <Delenas-> It's 1,1,1

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L1322[15:22:02] <Delenas-> I just derped and forgot to actually -apply- the location matrix in Blender.

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L1324[15:25:34] <giggybyte> making client commands were easy enough... just had to change some names pretty much

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L1330[15:33:56] <Delenas-> Okay, so.. fun question time. MC can recolor gray images for 2d textures- can forge do the same with a gray base model?

L1331[15:34:08] <Delenas-> [ b3d, I mean ]

L1332[15:34:12] <tterrag> pretty sure

L1333[15:35:26] <diesieben07> well, a "gray model" is just a model with gray textures

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L1335[15:40:42] <Delenas-> Yes, well. I'd likely have to intercept the renderer for the item at that point to recolor the texture, yes?

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L1337[15:42:50] <williewillus> i don't think so

L1338[15:42:56] <williewillus> if b3d supports tint indices you use that

L1339[15:43:06] <williewillus> i know it's possible with json but idk about b3d

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L1341[15:44:53] <Delenas-> Hrm.

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L1343[15:52:54] <williewillus> using caps just decreased he botania red string container class by 60+ lines :P

L1344[15:52:57] <williewillus> of iinventory boilerplate

L1345[15:52:58] <williewillus> :D

L1346[15:53:09] <williewillus> I just expose the cap, then steal the implementation from the bound block

L1347[15:53:41] <Delenas-> Noice.

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L1351[16:01:40] <Delenas-> o/ ama?

L1352[16:01:48] <amadornes> o/

L1353[16:01:56] <amadornes> I had a bit of a netderp there :P

L1354[16:02:04] <Delenas-> Aha.

L1355[16:02:17] <Delenas-> I get 'em all the time.

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L1358[16:09:30] <shadekiller666> Delenas, i don't know exactly how b3d supports vertex coloring, but i do know that both the b3d loader and the obj loader do support it. they both use a white base texture and pass color data into the render array

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L1360[16:10:55] <Delenas> Still would have to create all the blockstate files anyway. It'd be easier to just make the separate textures. :3

L1361[16:11:09] <shadekiller666> ?

L1362[16:11:31] <shadekiller666> what exactly are you making?

L1363[16:11:41] <shadekiller666> and you are using forge blockstate jsons right?

L1364[16:12:53] <Delenas> Yes

L1365[16:13:22] <Delenas> And I making gem items. That each have different effects, but all share a base model.

L1366[16:14:54] <williewillus> when are java instance initializers run?

L1367[16:15:01] <williewillus> before the constructor or after?

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L1374[16:23:45] <gigaherz> nice

L1375[16:23:46] <gigaherz> http://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/survivalist/files

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L1377[16:23:59] <gigaherz> > 60 downloads in < 24 hours for a new mod :3

L1378[16:27:03] <AbrarSyed> my

L1379[16:27:16] * AbrarSyed remembers the days where he had to go hunt youtubers to market his mod

L1380[16:27:19] <gigaherz> it's a record for me! ;P

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L1383[16:32:47] <williewillus> If i'm exposing caps myself, is it okay for me to use IItemHandlerModifiable for internal stuff

L1384[16:32:51] <williewillus> or it strictly forge only

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L1387[16:41:18] <MattDahEpic> with the forge update system, do you have to specify a dev *and* recomended version

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L1389[16:42:41] <MattDahEpic> or is there a way to make a custom parser for the update file so i can make jsons without the dev section

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L1394[17:12:55] <Twisted_Code> Is there a way to (preferably without restarting Minecraft) edit the ore dictionary? Apparently Botania's "living wood" planks cannot, as my pack is now, be used the same as other planks - i.e. for crafting jukeboxes

L1395[17:13:21] <williewillus> uh you need code access to do that or something like minetweaker

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L1397[17:13:27] <williewillus> and if this is 1.8 reprot it to my repo

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L1400[17:16:21] <Twisted_Code> I've got MT :-). I probably should've mentioned that... So that should be able to fix the issue? That's all I -needed- to know. Do you happen to know the exact solution or should I just consult the almighty wiki?

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L1402[17:18:19] <Twisted_Code> williewillus?

L1403[17:21:52] <Twisted_Code> Okay then, I'll assume you're busy and just go with option 2. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction... Assuming it is the right direction anyway :-)

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L1413[18:00:32] <tterrag> how can I get a bakedmodel from a RL?

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L1415[18:02:23] <gigaherz> tterrag: so far as I know, you bake it yourself

L1416[18:02:34] <diesieben07> Minecraft.getMinecraft().getRenderItem().getItemModelMesher().getModelManager().getModel

L1417[18:02:45] <tterrag> nevermind I found it

L1418[18:02:51] <tterrag> ModelLoaderRegistry.getModel

L1419[18:03:09] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/renders/RenderingStuffs.java#L77

L1420[18:03:13] <tterrag> oh that's IModel

L1421[18:03:20] <gigaherz> I use that for my TESRs and entity renderers

L1422[18:03:27] <gigaherz> that whole class ;P

L1423[18:03:38] <gigaherz> it caches models and retextured models

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L1426[18:03:47] <MattDahEpic> if anyone is looking for a 1.9 vanilla server to play on you can join mine

L1427[18:04:04] <tterrag> diesieben07: I don't have a MRL though

L1428[18:04:08] <tterrag> just a model

L1429[18:04:18] <tterrag> like "block/pane_nsew" or something

L1430[18:04:36] <gigaherz> MattDahEpic: I'm not sure if I'll be playing 1.9 before I can have it slightly modded

L1431[18:04:37] <gigaherz> ;P

L1432[18:04:56] <gigaherz> tterrag: then check the method I linked ;P

L1433[18:05:03] <tterrag> gigaherz: I don't want to rebake it

L1434[18:05:09] <tterrag> there should already be a bakedmodel for any model at this point

L1435[18:05:19] <gigaherz> uh

L1436[18:05:23] <gigaherz> baked models aren't shared

L1437[18:05:25] <diesieben07> tterrag, you can turn that into a MRL though

L1438[18:05:31] <diesieben07> i mean, MC does it as well :D

L1439[18:05:37] <gigaherz> IIRC each reference to the baked model gets baked separately

L1440[18:05:38] <diesieben07> just look at where they do it

L1441[18:05:43] <tterrag> how?

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L1443[18:05:45] <tterrag> #normal ?

L1444[18:06:02] <diesieben07> idk

L1445[18:06:38] <gigaherz> no MRL can be an item model

L1446[18:06:50] <gigaherz> (which is usually #inventory)

L1447[18:06:57] <gigaherz> -no

L1448[18:07:05] <gigaherz> #normal IS an option

L1449[18:07:06] <gigaherz> XD

L1450[18:07:28] <gigaherz> basically the ModelManager

L1451[18:07:53] <gigaherz> has all the models loaded through "addVariantName", and injected through modelbakeevent

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L1453[18:12:37] <Zaggy1024> what gradle version do we use?

L1454[18:17:00] <tterrag> whatever works

L1455[18:18:18] <Zaggy1024> I mean, what's default

L1456[18:18:40] <Zaggy1024> I'm wondering if I can use 'plugins {id "me.tatarka.retrolambda" version "3.2.5"}'

L1457[18:18:48] <Zaggy1024> or have to do it the more verbose way

L1458[18:18:49] <williewillus> MattDahEpic: i'd like to, pm me :D

L1459[18:19:28] <tterrag> hm

L1460[18:19:49] <tterrag> I think I could make use of ModelBlockDefinition.parseFromReader, if only I could get a reader that only reads a sub-section of my file

L1461[18:19:52] <tterrag> is that easily possible?

L1462[18:20:50] <diesieben07> what you want is get a model from a string in the format that is used e.g. in the parent: stuff of json models, yes?

L1463[18:21:01] <tterrag> nah I'm beyond that

L1464[18:21:16] <tterrag> I need to parse something like "east=false,north=false,south=false,west=false": { "model": "glass_pane_nsew" },

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L1466[18:21:44] <diesieben07> so a variant name + a model

L1467[18:21:51] <tterrag> + translations

L1468[18:21:57] <tterrag> basically a ModelBlockDefinition.Variant

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L1470[18:23:12] <tterrag> eh I have an idea

L1471[18:23:14] <Zaggy1024> what do you want to do that for? that precludes the use of forge blockstates

L1472[18:24:28] <Zaggy1024> if you have a fully formed json, wouldn't it be better to load the whole thing and then retrieve the Variant object you want?

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L1486[19:18:02] <tterrag> why isn't my block respecting shouldSideBeRendered?

L1487[19:19:51] <shadekiller666> is it a b3d or obj model?

L1488[19:20:17] <tterrag> no

L1489[19:20:18] <tterrag> ISBM

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L1491[19:20:42] <tterrag> I'm trying to get rid of these http://puu.sh/npaAv.jpg

L1492[19:20:47] <tterrag> but even returning false changes nothing

L1493[19:22:05] <tterrag> shadekiller666: ^

L1494[19:24:37] <tterrag> shadekiller666: and reading the code, BLockPane should prevent bordering sides from rendering, but it happens on vanilla panes

L1495[19:24:40] <tterrag> is this a forge bug?

L1496[19:25:10] <tterrag> oh what the hell

L1497[19:25:35] <williewillus> happens in vanilla as well

L1498[19:25:38] <tterrag> http://puu.sh/npaRH.jpg

L1499[19:25:40] <williewillus> bordered sides rendering, taht is

L1500[19:25:47] <tterrag> http://puu.sh/npaRU.jpg

L1501[19:25:52] <tterrag> look, it's different looking different ways

L1502[19:26:07] <tterrag> this is broken

L1503[19:26:15] <williewillus> it's like that in vanilla too

L1504[19:26:20] <tterrag> that IS vanilla

L1505[19:26:21] <tterrag> that's my point

L1506[19:26:48] <tterrag> I'm trying to figure out why my shouldSideBeRendered is getting completely ignored

L1507[19:27:02] <williewillus> does the model have face quads?

L1508[19:27:07] <tterrag> yes

L1509[19:27:14] <tterrag> it's using the vanilla model

L1510[19:27:46] <williewillus> maybe they forgot a cullface somewhere? idk

L1511[19:28:44] <tterrag> O.o http://puu.sh/npb3B.txt

L1512[19:28:45] <tterrag> why?!?

L1513[19:28:54] <Delenas> #blameMojang ?

L1514[19:29:03] <tterrag> that should still work with the side edges though

L1515[19:30:07] <shadekiller666> i think it has to do with transparency

L1516[19:30:33] <tterrag> the point remains

L1517[19:30:39] <tterrag> WHY does shouldSideBeRendered not affect it

L1518[19:32:22] <williewillus> if you leave out cullface the face is added to genquads not face quads

L1519[19:32:46] <williewillus> and shoudSideBeRendered only operates on facequads

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L1521[19:33:09] <tterrag> ok but I just linked the model

L1522[19:33:16] <tterrag> as you see cullface is only false on the top and bottom edges

L1523[19:33:19] <williewillus> what kind of model is that? 0.o

L1524[19:33:24] <tterrag> that's pane_ns.json

L1525[19:33:42] <Zaggy1024> sigh, retrolambda isn't redirecting my call to a static interface method :'(

L1526[19:33:44] <williewillus> huh

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L1528[19:33:51] <williewillus> I thought they removed the cull tag in favor of cullface

L1529[19:34:08] <williewillus> wait

L1530[19:34:10] <williewillus> that might be why

L1531[19:34:18] <tterrag> what?

L1532[19:34:31] <williewillus> they renamed the "cull" tag to "cullface" in the 1.8 snapshot cycle

L1533[19:34:38] <williewillus> they might've forgotten to migrate this model

L1534[19:34:39] <williewillus> ?

L1535[19:34:56] <williewillus> there is no deserialization code to look for "cull", only "cullface"

L1536[19:35:13] <tterrag> hm

L1537[19:35:22] <tterrag> that is...great

L1538[19:35:30] <tterrag> well, whatever

L1539[19:36:07] <williewillus> yeah most the other pane models have cullface except for this one

L1540[19:36:10] <tterrag> hahaha

L1541[19:36:11] <williewillus> silly mojang

L1542[19:36:13] <tterrag> gg mojang

L1543[19:36:16] <tterrag> can't even find/replace

L1544[19:36:17] <tterrag> -_-

L1545[19:36:38] <Delenas-> I'll say it again. #blameMojang

L1546[19:36:51] <Zaggy1024> anybody know much of anything about using retrolambda?

L1547[19:36:54] <williewillus> I feel like the way glass panes render change every other version lol

L1548[19:37:01] <Delenas-> ^

L1549[19:37:14] <tterrag> I'll write my own pane model

L1550[19:38:17] <tterrag> williewillus: so how does cullface work

L1551[19:38:23] <tterrag> for the "up" texture, I would cullface "down" ?

L1552[19:38:50] <Zaggy1024> cullface up is the face on the top

L1553[19:39:46] <williewillus> its the direction that you want to trigger culling for. e.g. if you have a 6 side plain cube, the top face has cullface up, which means itll be culled when a solid block is on top of this one

L1554[19:40:26] <tterrag> ah ok

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L1562[20:12:32] <giggybyte> so it seems when i modify the walkspeed it leaves flyspeed intact

L1563[20:12:50] <williewillus> how do you modify it

L1564[20:13:32] <giggybyte> using attributes :)

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L1568[20:17:26] <Delenas-> Hrm. If I have a single model with a single texture, how would I go about changing that texture in code? I have a base Gem class/model that a large chunk of my items are extending. I know there used to be IItemRenderer, but..

L1569[20:18:36] <killjoy> json models support multiple textures

L1570[20:18:55] <killjoy> Am I wrong about what you need?

L1571[20:20:08] <Delenas-> Well, like I said. I have many of these items. Creating identical blockstate files would be utterly pointless.

L1572[20:20:24] <williewillus> autogenerate them

L1573[20:20:29] <Delenas-> All that's changing is the color of the gem.

L1574[20:20:36] <williewillus> then why not use the tintindex?

L1575[20:20:41] <williewillus> / getColorFromItemStack

L1576[20:21:01] <williewillus> one model, color determined from code

L1577[20:21:32] <Delenas-> ...I should have elaborated. It's not a JSON model, it's a B3D model.

L1578[20:21:49] <williewillus> oh, idk if b3d supports specifying tint indices

L1579[20:21:51] <williewillus> I'm sure it does

L1580[20:21:53] <williewillus> but idk how

L1581[20:22:26] <Delenas-> I used to have the json model system working, but it's.. flat. I'd /love/ for my gems to be able to create special effects, but most importantly be able to be colored.

L1582[20:22:59] <gigaherz> Delenas-: I just gave up and created different textures XD

L1583[20:23:00] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/tree/master/src/main/resources/assets/elementsofpower/textures/misc

L1584[20:23:15] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/resources/assets/elementsofpower/blockstates/magicOrb.json

L1585[20:23:19] <gigaherz> to use with my orb model

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L1587[20:23:31] <Delenas-> mrf.

L1588[20:23:53] <gigaherz> if there's a way to tint, I never found it ;p

L1589[20:24:00] <Delenas-> Not really feasible when you have an API hook to add more gems in. I could have hundreds of these.

L1590[20:24:25] <gigaherz> let me check something

L1591[20:24:46] <shadekiller666> Delenas-, obj models can be recolored from within the block

L1592[20:25:06] <gigaherz> shadekiller666: can you have different tint indices per material?

L1593[20:25:08] <shadekiller666> and i believe there is a way to do the same from within an item model

L1594[20:25:17] <shadekiller666> tint indices?

L1595[20:25:30] <shadekiller666> like darknesses?

L1596[20:25:32] <gigaherz> no

L1597[20:25:37] <gigaherz> like spawn eggs

L1598[20:25:55] <Delenas-> You -can-, but that's using getColorFromItemstack and generated files.

L1599[20:26:01] <shadekiller666> well,

L1600[20:26:15] <williewillus> if you're ONLY changing the color

L1601[20:26:20] <williewillus> using the tint indices works perfectly

L1602[20:26:39] <shadekiller666> you could have a grayscale texture like eggs do, then use the vertex coloring thats built into the loader to color it

L1603[20:26:41] <williewillus> see: botania wand of the forest, there's 16^2 combinations of leaf colors for that :P

L1604[20:26:50] <williewillus> i just don't know how it works for b3d

L1605[20:26:59] <Delenas-> Wonderful! What classes do I need now that IItemRenderer is gone? x.x

L1606[20:27:06] <williewillus> none, it can be done from 1 json

L1607[20:27:09] <williewillus> and 1 method

L1608[20:27:13] <williewillus> but again idk about b3d

L1609[20:27:23] <shadekiller666> well, obj is slightly more code

L1610[20:28:21] <Delenas-> OBJ adds in the mtl file and has the texture data built in though, yes?

L1611[20:29:12] <tterrag> is there an easy way to cycle an array?

L1612[20:29:16] <tterrag> like in guava or something

L1613[20:29:20] <gigaherz> cycle?

L1614[20:29:25] <williewillus> rotate

L1615[20:29:28] <tterrag> 0,1,2,3 -> 1,2,3,0

L1616[20:29:31] <shadekiller666> the mtl points to the initial texture and/or color value, yes

L1617[20:29:44] <tterrag> williewillus: sure, that

L1618[20:29:45] <shadekiller666> but color can be changed in-code via OBJState

L1619[20:30:06] <gigaherz> but not via the built-in method to assign colors based on tint indices?

L1620[20:30:14] <tterrag> nvm...I'll just write it

L1621[20:30:39] <williewillus> yeah shouldn't be bad just a couple of System.arraycopy's

L1622[20:30:44] <shadekiller666> i'm sure it could be changed that way too gigaherz, but that method isn't a direct modification of the obj material

L1623[20:31:01] <Delenas-> mrf.

L1624[20:31:38] <williewillus> does an OBJBakedModel ahve tint indices?

L1625[20:31:44] <williewillus> if so then it'll work

L1626[20:32:11] <gigaherz> no, neither b3d nor obj use UnpackedBakedQuad.setTint

L1627[20:32:18] <williewillus> welp

L1628[20:34:19] <shadekiller666> i don't understand what the problem is here...

L1629[20:34:28] <gigaherz> shadekiller666: for items,

L1630[20:34:32] <shadekiller666> he's trying to color a texture right?

L1631[20:34:38] <gigaherz> if you assign different faces/materials a tintIndex

L1632[20:34:42] <gigaherz> there's a method on Item

L1633[20:34:47] <gigaherz> that gets called to get the tint dynamically

L1634[20:34:50] <gigaherz> based on the ItemStack

L1635[20:34:57] <gigaherz> for blocks, there's some getBlockColor or whatever

L1636[20:35:03] <williewillus> colorMultiplier

L1637[20:35:17] <williewillus> but yeah the point is it's fully dynamic

L1638[20:35:20] <gigaherz> in obth cases, you can adjust the tints dynamically

L1639[20:35:30] <gigaherz> AND have different colors assigned to different faces/materials

L1640[20:35:40] <shadekiller666> and the idea is that you don't have to force a rebake when changing color?

L1641[20:35:45] <williewillus> yea

L1642[20:35:45] <gigaherz> yup

L1643[20:35:53] <williewillus> thats how the fabulous mana pool renders in inv

L1644[20:36:02] <williewillus> without rebaking a billion times fading through everything

L1645[20:36:03] <gigaherz> MC's render engine applies the multiplier dynamically

L1646[20:36:13] <gigaherz> while applying the BakedQuads onto the internal caches

L1647[20:36:19] <williewillus> well it's just a putColor4 in the WR ;p but yeah

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L1649[20:38:57] <shadekiller666> do the getblockcolor and getitemwhatever methods not get called unless the bakedquad.tintIndex is changed?

L1650[20:39:13] <gigaherz> ?

L1651[20:39:15] <williewillus> not changed, you set the tintindex in the json

L1652[20:39:16] <gigaherz> nono

L1653[20:39:20] <williewillus> and it's passed to you in the methods

L1654[20:39:38] <gigaherz> they get called every single time renderModel*() (blocks) or renderQuads() (items)

L1655[20:39:42] <gigaherz> gets called

L1656[20:39:48] <gigaherz> which for items it's every frame

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L1658[20:39:55] <gigaherz> and for blocks, it's on render updates

L1659[20:40:25] <williewillus> if you specify tintindex: 1 for a face in json a 1 will get passed back to you in colorMultiplier (chunk update)/getColorFromItemStack (every frame). and you get to look at the world/blockpos/itemstack and choose a color

L1660[20:40:41] <gigaherz> renderModelAmbientOcclusionQuads / renderModelStandardQuads -> blockIn.colorMultiplier(..., quad.getTintIndex())

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L1662[20:41:09] <gigaherz> RenderItem.renderQuads -> item.getColorFromItemStack(stack, quad.getTintIndex())

L1663[20:41:10] <Zaggy1024> has anyone successfully set up retrolambda for a mod?

L1664[20:41:17] <shadekiller666> not exactly sure how the obj and b3d loaders would handle that anyway

L1665[20:41:40] <Zaggy1024> need to figure out why it's not changing a reference to a static interface method to the class retrolambda creates

L1666[20:42:17] <gigaherz> my suggestion would be something like

L1667[20:42:52] <gigaherz> "tintIndices": { "Material Name": 1 }

L1668[20:42:56] <gigaherz> on the forge blockstates file ;P

L1669[20:43:03] <killjoy> Someone should turn retrolambda into a coremod

L1670[20:43:16] <gigaherz> lol

L1671[20:43:17] <shadekiller666> does it not already have a tint key in the format?

L1672[20:43:41] <gigaherz> no, the tint index is normally on the "elements" array on the model json

L1673[20:43:48] <Zaggy1024> lol retrolambda at runtime would be slow 0.o

L1674[20:44:10] <killjoy> only when loading the classes

L1675[20:44:14] <Zaggy1024> exactly

L1676[20:45:05] <Delenas-> I.. can't say I got more than half of that.

L1677[20:45:09] <Zaggy1024> and if my experience with trying to get it working for compilation...doing it at runtime seems like it would just be even worse :P

L1678[20:45:50] <Zaggy1024> more than half of what?

L1679[20:45:59] <shadekiller666> i'll talk to fry about tintIndex support tomorrow

L1680[20:46:19] <gigaherz> k

L1681[20:46:31] <shadekiller666> when he's not sleeping :P

L1682[20:46:46] <Delenas-> Look up rendering items-> "Hay! Use IItemRenderer!"

L1683[20:46:55] <Zaggy1024> so, my question still stands, anybody used retrolambda? :P

L1684[20:47:08] <killjoy> I'd rather just tell my users to update to 8

L1685[20:47:11] <shadekiller666> Delenas-, there is a good reason IItemRenderer isn't a thing

L1686[20:47:17] <Delenas-> Oh I know

L1687[20:47:18] <killjoy> or just get the new launcher

L1688[20:47:25] <shadekiller666> but the replacement isn't perfect

L1689[20:47:45] <Delenas-> I'm just saying it annoys me NONE of these pages have updated with a message warning that this is gone.

L1690[20:48:32] <shadekiller666> documentation for 1.8 isn't great

L1691[20:48:41] <killjoy> documentation for minecraft isn't great

L1692[20:48:45] <Delenas-> 1.9 will be worse.

L1693[20:48:53] <shadekiller666> i don't think so

L1694[20:48:56] <killjoy> documentation? What's that?

L1695[20:49:10] <shadekiller666> i think 1.9 will see more support than 1.8 has

L1696[20:49:19] <Delenas-> People need to get in and dick around in the code more. Find stuff, read changelogs.

L1697[20:49:26] <killjoy> ^

L1698[20:49:29] <shadekiller666> mhmm

L1699[20:49:34] <gigaherz> it's a matter of people helping

L1700[20:49:34] <gigaherz> http://mcforge.readthedocs.org/en/latest/

L1701[20:49:35] <killjoy> see how vanilla does it

L1702[20:49:39] <killjoy> then make it better

L1703[20:49:46] <gigaherz> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/Documentation/

L1704[20:49:53] <Delenas-> Best way to learn: Take something that works and rip it to shreds. Find out exactly why, when you tear something out, that bit breaks.

L1705[20:50:01] <shadekiller666> killjoy, that ideology doesn't really apply when it comes to custom models :P

L1706[20:50:13] <Delenas-> Then mess with it until you've mastered it. Such is the way of a programmer.

L1707[20:50:31] <killjoy> see how *[insert popular mod here] does it.

L1708[20:50:43] <williewillus> not much changed in 1.9 so i don't see how it'd be worse :P

L1709[20:51:08] <Delenas-> Shame a lot of popular codebases either (a) use tons of libraries, (b) are closed-source, or (c) are super complex internally.

L1710[20:51:14] <williewillus> the dual wielding thing was kept simple, you return an enum from the right click methods "success", "block", or "pass to other hand"

L1711[20:51:27] <williewillus> loot tables look cool but can be totally optional if you're lazy

L1712[20:51:38] <williewillus> new worldgen stuff will probably actually make things easier

L1713[20:51:56] <killjoy> hm... how are plugins going to do the right clicking thing?

L1714[20:52:00] <shadekiller666> and forge will overhaul the itemstate jsons

L1715[20:52:03] <Delenas-> Loot tables are going to be /incredible/ for worldgen makers (TC dungeon hype) and custom maps with scripted battles.

L1716[20:52:03] <williewillus> plugins?

L1717[20:52:08] <killjoy> such as right clicking with a stick does a thing

L1718[20:52:11] <shadekiller666> so things won't be much different :P

L1719[20:52:16] <williewillus> same way they always haev? :P

L1720[20:52:25] <killjoy> but if it gets passed to the other hand?

L1721[20:52:25] <williewillus> the mess that is PlayerInteractEvent should get cleaned up though

L1722[20:52:25] <Delenas-> Hook ItemUseEvent, bugger about

L1723[20:52:28] <williewillus> hopefully

L1724[20:53:00] <Delenas-> My forge workspace broke, I waaas messing with the weather code to clean it up and make it actually useful

L1725[20:53:12] <Delenas-> But weather touches a lot of stuff. You'd be surprised >.>

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L1732[20:58:28] <gigaherz> killjoy: the same way you do it on vanilla:

L1733[20:58:38] <gigaherz> if you want to use the right-click effect, you put it on the offhand

L1734[20:58:47] <killjoy> ehh

L1735[20:58:48] <gigaherz> XD

L1736[20:59:08] <gigaherz> actually no that's not how it works

L1737[20:59:15] <gigaherz> nevermind that brainfart

L1738[20:59:41] <gigaherz> the offhand's rightclick is called when the item on the main hand says it doesn't have a rightclick to perform

L1739[21:00:11] <killjoy> ah, so server handled

L1740[21:01:03] <gigaherz> lol mad max is killing it on the oscars

L1741[21:01:46] <shadekiller666> has Leo Decap won yet?

L1742[21:01:59] <gigaherz> ofc not

L1743[21:02:12] <shadekiller666> lol

L1744[21:02:15] <Fendirain> Anyone here care to help me get my entity hold an axe properly while swinging its arm?

L1745[21:02:39] <Fendirain> Before I go crazy trying to figure it out.

L1746[21:02:41] <gigaherz> beyond my expertise, sorry ;P

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L1748[21:03:49] <Fendirain> I wish I could just give up, But I'm pretty sure I will have the same issue in the future.

L1749[21:05:14] <shadekiller666> uhh

L1750[21:05:18] <shadekiller666> well

L1751[21:05:28] <killjoy> shadekiller666, http://i.imgur.com/B0j7aYH.gifv

L1752[21:06:13] <shadekiller666> if you nest GL11.pushMatrix() and popMatrix() calls correctly, you can set the rotation point of the item at the same place that your entity's arm rotates from

L1753[21:06:28] <shadekiller666> at which point you could just pass the same rotation values to the item

L1754[21:06:49] <Fendirain> I mean, I have the item rendering in a resting position just fine.

L1755[21:07:02] <Fendirain> When hitting, It also moves with the arm, Just way above where its meant to.

L1756[21:07:36] <Fendirain> https://github.com/Fendirain/Fendirain/blob/1.8/src/main/java/fendirain/fendirain/client/render/mobs/layers/LayerHeldItem.java#L45

L1757[21:08:17] <killjoy> this quiz is due in 2 hours and the website is not working

L1758[21:08:21] <killjoy> argh

L1759[21:08:43] <killjoy> I hate mcgraw hill

L1760[21:08:44] * Delenas- goes back to poking at intellij trying to get a forge setup going.

L1761[21:11:56] <gigaherz> https://twitter.com/YogscastSjin/status/704138551231913984

L1762[21:11:56] <gigaherz> lol

L1763[21:12:17] <gigaherz> (note: I'm not watching, just looking at https://twitter.com/Oscars_Live )

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L1766[21:17:41] <williewillus> gigaherz: what is the point of IStorage? I'm looking at CapabilityItemHandler and it has an istorage that writes things to NBT, but I now look at ItemStackHandler and it ALSO has methods to write/read from NBT, but implementing a whole other interface

L1767[21:17:45] <williewillus> which is used when?

L1768[21:17:59] <gigaherz> IStorage is a tool used to allow saving and loading of the default implementation

L1769[21:18:27] <gigaherz> instead of requiring the interface to have explicit NBT methods

L1770[21:18:45] <gigaherz> or requiring the default implementations to expose INBTSerializable or similar

L1771[21:18:55] <williewillus> so its useful only for default impl

L1772[21:18:57] <williewillus> ?

L1773[21:18:59] <gigaherz> there's an IStorage instance per capability

L1774[21:19:18] <gigaherz> it CAN be used for other implementations, but only if the capability supports it

L1775[21:19:44] <williewillus> so when are the NBT methods in ItemStackHandler called

L1776[21:19:48] <gigaherz> I think IItemHandler's IStorage can support anything that implements the Modifiable interface

L1777[21:19:56] <gigaherz> ItemHandlerModifiable or whatever

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L1779[21:20:10] <shadekiller666> someone should make a #oscarssonotleo on twitter

L1780[21:20:25] <gigaherz> it's up to you

L1781[21:20:30] <gigaherz> you ahve two choices for IItemHandler

L1782[21:20:54] <gigaherz> 1. you read/write yourself on the readFromNBT/writeToNBT

L1783[21:21:14] <gigaherz> 2. you get the item handler's storage from CapabilityItemHandler.ITEM_HAND...getStorage()

L1784[21:21:24] <gigaherz> and then ask it to call the methods for you

L1785[21:21:42] <gigaherz> option #1 is simpler if you use ItemStackHandler directly

L1786[21:21:53] <gigaherz> option #2 is simpler if you use the default implementation "blindly"

L1787[21:22:05] <gigaherz> option #2 is required if*

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L1822[22:38:50] <MattDahEpic> the real question is why IDEA corrupts your prefrences if your computer hard shuts down

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L1825[22:39:32] <killjoy> is there a lock file?

L1826[22:40:09] <MattDahEpic> booted up IDEA to an eye burning white scheme saying the preferences files and unxepected EOFs

L1827[22:40:34] <killjoy> sounds like it stopped in the middle of a write

L1828[22:41:22] <MattDahEpic> thing is i had been playing a game for a good hour and a half with it in the background so unless its shit at writing things that shouldnt be the case

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L1830[22:41:44] <killjoy> go make a issue report

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L1894[22:56:21] <shadekiller666> Leo Decap won Best Actor

L1895[22:56:47] <shadekiller666> You too can win an oscar! You just have to take it up the ass from a grizzly bear!

L1896[22:56:53] <williewillus> looool

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L1898[23:01:36] <killjoy> heh

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L1913[23:41:52] <tterrag> I officially want to kill whoever came up with panes

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L1916[23:49:57] <masa> why?

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L1919[23:56:04] <tterrag> masa: the number of edge cases is insane

L1920[23:56:20] <tterrag> and there's no way to get it right without a ridculous amount of quads and logic

L1921[23:56:24] <tterrag> (vanilla even fails to get it right)