OCLogs: 2016-02-15.log

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L7[00:17:54] <killjoy> Necromance if you want to

L8[00:17:54] <killjoy> You can bring your friends to life

L9[00:17:54] <killjoy> But your friends aren't dead and if they're not dead

L10[00:17:54] <killjoy> Then they're no friends of mine

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L13[00:29:50] <Sollux-Captor> soo im trying to reflect and field.setAccessible(true); is throwing an IllegalArgumentException

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L15[00:32:38] <Sollux-Captor> sorry im wring

L16[00:32:40] <Sollux-Captor> wrong

L17[00:33:02] <killjoy> it's not throwing it?

L18[00:33:18] <Sollux-Captor> it is field.set(field,false) is what is throwing the exception

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L20[00:33:34] <killjoy> do you know how it works?

L21[00:34:05] <killjoy> it's not set(field, ...)

L22[00:34:05] <Sollux-Captor> the exception or the set()?

L23[00:34:15] <killjoy> it's set(obj, val)

L24[00:34:36] <Sollux-Captor> no field is my variavle and it should be initialised to a declared field

L25[00:34:45] <Sollux-Captor> variable*

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L27[00:35:16] <killjoy> What exactly are you reflecting?

L28[00:35:19] <killjoy> Is it of the right type?

L29[00:35:24] <Sollux-Captor> canBurn from Material

L30[00:35:32] <Sollux-Captor> boolean

L31[00:35:45] <Sollux-Captor> yes i think so

L32[00:35:55] <Sollux-Captor> i could be wrong because it is kinda like 2 am >_>

L33[00:36:02] <killjoy> then you would do Material.getDeclaredField("canBurn").set(material, false)

L34[00:37:10] <killjoy> *Material.class.getDec...

L35[00:37:37] <Sollux-Captor> thank heavens all mighty. that worked. i think im going to bed. I cant think straight anymore

L36[00:38:36] <Sollux-Captor> lel that is what i was trying todo but for some reason my brain was telling me that my field variable was the material :( ugh

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L38[00:40:22] <killjoy> reflection doesn't do much with objects.

L39[00:42:58] <tterrag> what killjoy said won't work with obf names

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L41[00:43:02] <tterrag> use ReflectionHelper

L42[00:43:08] <killjoy> well he's gone now

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L48[01:07:11] <RANKSHANK> hey fry thanks for the pointers. Chucked out the event and my encapsulated effect renderer is running faster than the vanilla renderer even with pass oriented effect color

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L52[01:12:28] <hasunwoo> How can i open another gui in gui?

L53[01:14:29] <hasunwoo> Do i need custom packet handling for that?

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L56[01:16:54] <Cazzar> You shouldn't

L57[01:17:16] <tterrag> why not

L58[01:17:30] <killjoy> gui or container?

L59[01:17:46] <tterrag> to answer the question, for a container yes you need a packet, for a regular gui (GuiScreen) you don't

L60[01:18:16] <tterrag> https://github.com/SleepyTrousers/EnderIO/blob/master/src/main/java/crazypants/enderio/teleport/telepad/PacketOpenServerGui.java

L61[01:18:19] <tterrag> hacky but effective :P

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L64[01:21:35] <hasunwoo> Packet

L65[01:21:57] <hasunwoo> I want to open container gui from nornal gui

L66[01:22:04] <hasunwoo> Normal

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L68[01:25:22] <tterrag|ZZZzzz> so then do what I linked

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L78[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20160215 mappings to Forge Maven.

L79[02:00:06] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20160215-1.8.9.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20160215" in build.gradle).

L80[02:00:17] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L121[05:32:02] <Wuppy> ugh it's bloody freezinng outside :V

L122[05:32:08] * Wuppy decides to stay inside for the next 3 daysw

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L125[05:40:58] <Wuppy> this video physically hurt me https://youtu.be/ad-Kp4Lu6UI?t=4m47s

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L129[05:59:40] <Ivorius> literally?

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L131[06:05:15] <Wuppy> that's like half a year worth of beer lost....

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L134[06:10:16] <Ordinastie> I know people for whom it's half a week :D

L135[06:10:36] <Wuppy> about 3500 beers in half a week?

L136[06:11:35] <Wuppy> unless you're a bar or a supermarket, you're dead

L137[06:11:57] <Ordinastie> ok, slight exageration maybe

L138[06:13:55] <Wuppy> I'd honestly be impressed if you'd drink 3500 in half a year

L139[06:14:07] <Wuppy> that's about 20 beers a day man

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L256[06:56:21] <Mowmaster> Lol

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L295[07:21:13] <OrionOnline> Heyo the netsplit was very real ehre

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L300[07:24:27] <gigaherz> it was back when I woke up, but mirc gave up trying to reconnect ;P

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L310[07:46:00] <Bitterholz> Hi, is there someone whos familliar with Blender made Models for MC here that who can help me out with some issues?

L311[07:46:18] <Bitterholz> if so, please PM me

L312[07:46:35] <McJty> Why not ask just here so multiple people can share helping you?

L313[07:46:40] <Cazzar> ^

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L315[07:46:54] <Bitterholz> allright

L316[07:46:57] <Cazzar> Sometimes one person might not know the issue, but knows other

L317[07:46:59] <Cazzar> others*

L318[07:48:27] <Bitterholz> im making a Spiritual Successor to Logistics Pipes in 1.8.9, now my Pipe model by my artist is quite messy and after i fixed alot of stuff, textured the core n stuff, its no longer getting loaded(was just a empty full blocks BB before now missing texture)

L319[07:48:59] <Bitterholz> Log compains: MultiModel conveyortubes:block/tube_model.obj is empty (no base model or parts were provided/resolved)

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L321[07:49:12] <Bitterholz> ill link the model soon...

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L323[07:50:15] <OrionOnline> I have a question regarding the new IItemHandler

L324[07:50:37] <OrionOnline> Say i have an Inventory with a GUI, do i still need to implement IInventory?

L325[07:50:42] <McJty> For now

L326[07:50:58] <McJty> You can probably make an adaptor for this or something

L327[07:50:59] <OrionOnline> ....... So this whole system is currently completly useless......????

L328[07:51:02] <McJty> no

L329[07:51:13] <McJty> You can use a single adaptor and use that for all your item handlers to all your gui's

L330[07:51:31] <OrionOnline> What do you mean with adaptor?

L331[07:51:42] <Bitterholz> The Model im talking about is viewable HERE: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ulv3szduuuiyoo/Tube-Model-WIP.obj?dl=0

L332[07:51:50] <McJty> OrionOnline, design pattern

L333[07:51:59] <OrionOnline> Make a class that takes a IBlaBlaBlaItemHandler that implements IIventory and that returns the correct values?

L334[07:52:01] <McJty> A class that implements IInterface and takes an item handler as a parameter

L335[07:52:12] <OrionOnline> Ah ;D

L336[07:52:47] <OrionOnline> Is it actually okey when we start requiring Java 8 for mods?

L337[07:53:04] <OrionOnline> Or is java 7 still the recommended?

L338[07:53:09] <Lordmau5> I do that already

L339[07:53:13] <Lordmau5> people should get with the times

L340[07:53:20] <Kolatra> Yup, Java 8 here as well.

L341[07:53:21] <Bitterholz> OrionOnline, should be, java 7 is conidered legacy

L342[07:53:28] <Lordmau5> I still support Java 7 on my mod - for the 1.7.10 version

L343[07:53:30] <OrionOnline> I like the default stuff and the lambda stuff

L344[07:53:37] <McJty> For 1.7.10 I supports java 7

L345[07:53:38] <Lordmau5> but the 1.8.9 version is forcing 8

L346[07:53:42] <McJty> But for 1.8.9 I went to java 8

L347[07:53:48] <Kolatra> Lambda is used quite heavily in Psi actually./

L348[07:53:50] <OrionOnline> Yeah i am going to do the same then

L349[07:54:02] <McJty> I'm using lambda/streams, and also defaults on interfaces

L350[07:54:11] <Lordmau5> those as well

L351[07:54:13] <Kolatra> Lambda is really nice.

L352[07:54:14] <Lordmau5> defaults on interfaces is nice

L353[07:54:18] <Kolatra> That too ^

L354[07:54:50] <OrionOnline> Defaults is so nice

L355[07:55:02] <OrionOnline> I can make wrappers and things for once not in two files

L356[07:55:05] <Kolatra> I'm debating on requiring Java 8 for AM2.

L357[07:55:15] <OrionOnline> But just give it a detault and there we go

L358[07:55:40] <OrionOnline> Do statics on interfaces work?

L359[07:55:41] <McJty> I'm probably going to need it much more in the near future but I had a subclass/interface of ISidedInventory with defaults for nearly all of the methods

L360[07:55:45] <McJty> Very handy for implementing that

L361[07:55:52] <McJty> But soon I'll replace that with the new capabilities

L362[07:56:10] <OrionOnline> McJty, i will use a wrapper that unwraps where ever i need it for know

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L364[07:56:29] <OrionOnline> Just weird that Forge accepted the IItemHandler PR, without the making the change everywhere

L365[07:56:44] <McJty> Well work in progress I suppose

L366[07:56:56] <OrionOnline> Yeahh But still, double work for all of us...

L367[07:57:07] <fry> things don't happen overnight

L368[07:57:10] <OrionOnline> But hey i like what tema did, so i am not complaining anymore

L369[07:57:35] <fry> you can't wave a magic wand and convert a gigantic codebase in 1 swoop

L370[07:57:36] <OrionOnline> fry, i know, planned to release my mod for new year, but look where we are now and i am still not done porting

L371[07:57:51] <Kolatra> fry, oh how I wish I could for Ars. :P

L372[07:58:11] <OrionOnline> OOeh a code wand

L373[07:58:15] <OrionOnline> That would be so great

L374[07:58:23] <OrionOnline> So many projects at work could use that thing

L375[07:58:30] <McJty> Maybe my son could add a Porting Wand to his Not Enough Wands mod :-)

L376[07:58:46] <OrionOnline> McJty, lol :D

L377[07:58:47] <Kolatra> He should.

L378[07:59:06] <McJty> Implementation might be slightly tricky though

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L380[08:00:15] <Kolatra> What would the Porting Wand actually do in game?

L381[08:00:33] <Nitrodev> port the mod to the next version XD

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L383[08:03:32] <OrionOnline> McJty, how did you handle the IInventory#markDirty in your wrapper?

L384[08:03:58] <McJty> I didn't. I haven't actually done the transition to IITemHandler yet :-)

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L386[08:04:37] <OrionOnline> Hmm okey

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L388[08:05:13] <OrionOnline> I am calling markDirty myself anyway nearly every tick usually but i will make a callback for it in the CoreHandler.

L389[08:09:16] <Bitterholz> Wavefront model experienced ppl here?

L390[08:09:51] <McJty> Bitterholz, well without the model it will be hard to check what is wrong

L391[08:10:06] <Bitterholz> McJty,

L392[08:10:07] <Bitterholz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ulv3szduuuiyoo/Tube-Model-WIP.obj?dl=0

L393[08:10:39] <Bitterholz> dont wonder its quite messy

L394[08:10:41] <McJty> Can you also give the full log?

L395[08:12:22] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz, in which programm did you create the OBJ?

L396[08:12:29] <OrionOnline> And we will need the MTL as well

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L398[08:12:39] <UnasAquila> has anyone had a problem with a custom gui throwing item (like q) when clicking them?

L399[08:13:06] <Bitterholz> in Blender and i did nothing but fixing issues my Model Artis made and texture mapping

L400[08:13:24] <McJty> full log still helpful

L401[08:14:26] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz send the .blend, the .obj, the .mtl and as McJty says the full log pleasae

L402[08:14:46] <OrionOnline> Oh and your Blockstate / ItemStack file might also be needed so keep it handy

L403[08:15:07] <OrionOnline> UnasAquila, not really

L404[08:15:13] <OrionOnline> Might be something with Sync

L405[08:15:20] <OrionOnline> Or custom slots

L406[08:15:45] <OrionOnline> But to be honest i have solved those problems a long time ago when i made my common library which handles all that for me

L407[08:16:43] <UnasAquila> Its the inventoryPlayer slot (hot bar) using default Slot rest of the gui works fine.

L408[08:17:14] <OrionOnline> Yeah that is a syncing problem

L409[08:17:18] <Bitterholz> ill be gathering those files i a quick zip

L410[08:17:22] <OrionOnline> Does it happen in your dev?

L411[08:17:26] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz, thanks

L412[08:17:32] <OrionOnline> Or in a users modpack?

L413[08:20:00] <Bitterholz> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xo9y86dqr1rdddv/model.zip?dl=0 here you go, all the files you need for the modell! disregard the different names, the WIP version is more UTD

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L415[08:21:06] <OrionOnline> Okey except for the model being in the wrong position it looks okey

L416[08:21:09] <OrionOnline> So what is the problem

L417[08:21:10] <Bitterholz> (for any obvious derps dont blame me, i allrteady fixed alot of stuff

L418[08:21:11] <OrionOnline> ?

L419[08:21:29] <Bitterholz> Log compains: MultiModel conveyortubes:block/tube_model.obj is empty (no base model or parts were provided/resolved)

L420[08:21:35] <OrionOnline> Okey

L421[08:21:51] <Bitterholz> let me give you the blocks class as well

L422[08:22:06] <Bitterholz> (calls of registering and stuff are done right btw

L423[08:23:20] <Bitterholz> http://pastebin.com/dG91WQ2K

L424[08:23:22] <Bitterholz> there oyu go

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L426[08:24:12] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz, i would need a copy of the log please

L427[08:24:20] <Bitterholz> sec

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L429[08:27:47] <Bitterholz> found sth interesting i need to investigate first

L430[08:29:12] <OrionOnline> okey

L431[08:29:15] <OrionOnline> Tell me this then

L432[08:29:22] <OrionOnline> Does it throw the error duting loading

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L434[08:29:32] <OrionOnline> or while the world is laoded?

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L436[08:30:54] <Bitterholz> during loading. I fixed its MTL lib being inaccessible, now the log states even more stuff o.O

L437[08:30:56] <Bitterholz> http://pastebin.com/MzSDM3Wk

L438[08:32:23] <OrionOnline> So yeah as said it loads the model now just fine

L439[08:32:31] <OrionOnline> You will need to move it though

L440[08:32:34] <OrionOnline> One sec

L441[08:32:44] <OrionOnline> It need to be within the following bound:

L442[08:32:50] <OrionOnline> X: 0 -> 1

L443[08:32:55] <OrionOnline> Y: 0 -> -1

L444[08:33:02] <OrionOnline> Z 0 -> 1

L445[08:33:24] <OrionOnline> So 1 you need to scale it down to 1/3

L446[08:33:29] <OrionOnline> and you will need to move it

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L448[08:34:20] <OrionOnline> And why are your dimensions in CM?

L449[08:34:26] <OrionOnline> Just leave them at the default......

L450[08:34:32] <OrionOnline> Cause that is what minecraft reads

L451[08:35:39] <Cypher121> this guy is amazing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk3WLaR2V2U

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L456[08:48:09] <Bitterholz> thanks OrionOnline

L457[08:48:13] <Bitterholz> ill try that

L458[08:49:06] <OrionOnline> Actually i am nearly done moving it for you

L459[08:49:14] <OrionOnline> If you wait a minute i should have a working model for ya

L460[08:51:23] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz, http://www.filedropper.com/showdownload.php/conveyortubev13

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L462[08:51:29] <OrionOnline> That should do the trick

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L464[08:51:33] <OrionOnline> I mean the v13 one

L465[08:51:55] <OrionOnline> Or actually: http://www.filedropper.com/conveyortubev13

L466[08:52:15] <OrionOnline> Actually never mind

L467[08:52:21] <OrionOnline> The file uploaded to the wrong side

L468[08:52:25] <OrionOnline> Give me a sec

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L471[08:54:58] <OrionOnline> This should do it: http://mavenrepo.armory.orionminecraft.com/Conveyor_Tube_v13.zip

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L474[08:57:42] <Sollux-Captor> morning

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L479[09:02:20] <Bitterholz> not yet tested but thanks alot OrionOnline

L480[09:02:25] <Bitterholz> apprechiate your help :)

L481[09:06:20] <williewillus> !gm func_73660_a

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L483[09:07:32] <Wuppy> if you're selling usb sticks online and you can't even sort connection type you're doing something wrong :V

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L485[09:11:29] <Sollux-Captor> hmm

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L494[09:39:14] <Sollux-Captor> im confused http://i.imgur.com/1mRFYCg.png im using 1.8

L495[09:40:10] <williewillus> java source level is below java 7

L496[09:40:13] <williewillus> in your IDE

L497[09:40:15] <Sollux-Captor> http://i.imgur.com/bZwhsfR.png

L498[09:40:34] <williewillus> using java 8 != having java 8 source level

L499[09:40:45] <Sollux-Captor> how do i change the source level?

L500[09:40:49] <williewillus> if you alt-enter or do whatever the eclipse suggestion is it should bring you to the options to change it

L501[09:40:53] <gigaherz> IDEA or eclipse? ;P

L502[09:40:57] <williewillus> looks like eclipse

L503[09:41:13] <gigaherz> no diea how to change in eclipse XD

L504[09:41:23] <gigaherz> no idea*

L505[09:41:42] <unascribed> yeah, if you hover over the error that says "such and such feature requires Java source level 7 or above" you can choose "Set project level to 7" or something like that

L506[09:41:53] <Sollux-Captor> alt+enter doesnt take me to it

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L508[09:42:08] <unascribed> you can also just right-click the project

L509[09:42:10] <unascribed> go to Java > Compiler

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L511[09:42:16] <Ordinastie> properties of the project, then Java compiler

L512[09:42:44] <unascribed> oh, I guess it is just Java Compiler

L513[09:42:48] <unascribed> https://unascribed.com/i/154a51a8.png

L514[09:44:19] <Sollux-Captor> either it derped out or made it worse xD it wants me to try/catch a try/catch

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L516[09:45:16] <Sollux-Captor> pressing save always fixes the glitchy stuff :P

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L518[09:45:46] <unascribed> yeah, forces a recompile

L519[09:46:29] <unascribed> also goddammit williewillus

L520[09:46:33] <unascribed> you got me hooked on Cookie Clicker again >:(

L521[09:46:34] <unascribed> https://unascribed.com/i/a8fdce60.png

L522[09:46:50] <williewillus> 1.05 million :P

L523[09:47:06] <williewillus> are the multipliers worth getting?

L524[09:47:57] <unascribed> https://unascribed.com/i/59b6fa2d.png / https://unascribed.com/i/bc970ed5.png / https://unascribed.com/i/f93c8f90.png

L525[09:48:00] <unascribed> if you mean building multipliers, yes

L526[09:48:05] <unascribed> if you mean different cookie flavors

L527[09:48:08] <unascribed> not until late game

L528[09:48:24] <unascribed> the cheap (<10mil) ones are worth getting just to unclutter the upgrades menu

L529[09:51:19] <Sollux-Captor> cookie clicker: The glorified incrementer

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L532[09:51:50] <williewillus> people get intense over that stuff

L533[09:51:51] <williewillus> https://www.reddit.com/r/CookieClicker/

L534[09:52:18] <Sollux-Captor> my friends and I made a joke software called random generator and we made it as unreadable as possible and all it does is output "random" xD

L535[09:52:21] <MalkContent> not a second in the channel an people talking about digicrack

L536[09:52:54] <unascribed> lol, yeah

L537[09:53:26] <Sollux-Captor> it wasnt even a hello world style of code. We did some bullshit before we actually output "random"

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L539[09:53:56] <Lymia> meh

L540[09:54:03] <Lymia> Now for an interesting program.

L541[09:54:08] <gigaherz> Sollux-Captor: would be fun if you somehow managed to make the code look like it's generating randoms

L542[09:54:13] <Lymia> Make something that automatically generates unreadable code from readable code.

L543[09:54:24] <gigaherz> but find a way to generate "random" as a sequence ;P

L544[09:54:24] <Sollux-Captor> gigaherz, that is exactly what it did

L545[09:54:26] <unascribed> reminds me of the class I wrote a while ago, 'gov.nsa.Kcabrood' that had a bunch of methods that used solely reflection

L546[09:54:28] <Lymia> ... er, wait.

L547[09:54:31] <Lymia> That's called a decomiler.

L548[09:54:32] <Lymia> never mind

L549[09:54:40] <unascribed> and all it did was decode the EBCDIC string for "Hello, World!" and print it to stdout

L550[09:54:59] <Sollux-Captor> lol

L551[09:55:04] <Lymia> gigaherz, like the Underhanded C contest, right?

L552[09:55:11] <gigaherz> yeah

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L554[09:55:20] <Lymia> Find a funny way to sabotague the randomness.

L555[09:55:22] <gigaherz> but with the output from the generator being "random\0"

L556[09:55:31] <Lymia> Sorta like OpenSSL except actually funny, and not a huge problem.

L557[09:56:06] <Sollux-Captor> i have a psudo virus that i made. It spams files onto the desktop. got like 40,000 onto the desktop in a matter of seconds

L558[09:56:28] <unascribed> https://gist.github.com/unascribed/e8b2398433b9acf00892

L559[09:56:32] <Sollux-Captor> twas funny because i pranked a guy with it and his computer just killed over because it ran undetected

L560[09:56:57] <Lymia> That's not funny.

L561[09:57:10] <Sollux-Captor> prime code you have there unascribed

L562[09:57:30] <Sollux-Captor> Lymia it was pretty funny xD. and it was like it was harmful in anyway

L563[09:57:38] <Sollux-Captor> wasnt*

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L565[09:59:10] <unascribed> you could replace any of those "was"s with different meanings

L566[09:59:33] <Sollux-Captor> *and it wasnt like it was harmful in anyway

L567[09:59:38] <Sollux-Captor> hehe my bad

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L569[10:02:48] <Sollux-Captor> like of course when we ran it we put a cap on how many files would be generated but you could as well make it so it just infainitly ran. You could also do this with any file type. we did it with .png but any would work

L570[10:04:09] <unascribed> infinitely*

L571[10:05:06] <unascribed> i'm not trying to be a spelling nazi but it was the only word you had misspelled

L572[10:05:58] <unascribed> wtf, someone's car alarm has been going off for 3 hours

L573[10:07:03] <Sollux-Captor> ye, sometimes i just accidentally butcher spelling w/o noticing

L574[10:07:16] <Sollux-Captor> it isn't like i don't know how to spell it

L575[10:07:40] <unascribed> ok, you never know

L576[10:07:49] <Sollux-Captor> :P

L577[10:08:02] <unascribed> xkcd 1053

L578[10:08:10] <unascribed> but applied to spelling

L579[10:08:11] <unascribed> :P:

L580[10:08:12] <unascribed> :P*

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L582[10:08:14] <Sollux-Captor> i honestly have no clue as to why i do that and why i never detect my mistakes

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L587[10:10:59] <Ratys> Relevant, I've been swapping 't' and 's' in 'this' across all my code for years now, it's around 50% that I'll get it wrong at any given instance

L588[10:11:21] <Sollux-Captor> lol why?

L589[10:11:30] <Sollux-Captor> just habbit?

L590[10:11:40] <Ratys> Typoing. Hard.

L591[10:11:55] <Sollux-Captor> [typing intensifies]

L592[10:12:10] <gigaherz> in C, that would have an easy solution

L593[10:12:15] <gigaherz> #define shit this

L594[10:12:35] <Sollux-Captor> i really hate words like 'cereal' because i always want to spell them 'cearel' or 'ceareal' :T

L595[10:12:39] <Ratys> Also probably my subconscious expressing it's opinion of the context that made me use that

L596[10:14:42] <Sollux-Captor> welp i guess since im now using reflection i guess i dont need to @Override the methods in Material anymore

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L605[10:22:27] <MattDahEpic> are there any open source backback mods for 1.8.9 that use the itemstack capabilities?

L606[10:23:02] <williewillus> charset maybe? ask asie in #buildcraft

L607[10:23:02] <gigaherz> I'm not aware of any mod using capabilities yet

L608[10:23:03] <gigaherz> XD

L609[10:23:37] <gigaherz> (which just means I'm not aware of any, not that there isn't any)

L610[10:26:52] <Ordinastie> there is still no easy way to order the items in the creative tab, right ?

L611[10:27:36] <gigaherz> in your own?

L612[10:27:46] <williewillus> yes you can

L613[10:27:58] <gigaherz> yo ucan override the enumation method

L614[10:27:59] <williewillus> displayRelevantItems in the CreativeTabs class

L615[10:28:12] <williewillus> you manually specify each and every stakc to appear

L616[10:28:17] <gigaherz> yeah sort your stuff in displayAllReleventItems

L617[10:28:27] <Ordinastie> hum, ok, I'll do that then

L618[10:28:27] <gigaherz> or you call super() first, then sort the resulting list ;P

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L625[10:35:12] <gigaherz> Hey ppl, wanna help me with ideas (again)? ;P

L626[10:35:26] <gigaherz> I have roughly these spell shapes decided:

L627[10:35:38] <gigaherz> Fire defaults to "sphere" (around the caster)

L628[10:35:49] <gigaherz> Air defaults to "cone" (in front of the caster)

L629[10:36:08] <gigaherz> Water defaults to "ball" (thrown projectile that creates a sphere on the impact point)

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L631[10:36:21] <gigaherz> Light defaults to "beam"

L632[10:36:31] <gigaherz> Life defaults to "self-cast"

L633[10:36:49] <gigaherz> Death defaults to "single-target/curse/debuff"

L634[10:37:17] <gigaherz> I have no idea what to use for Earth and Darkness.

L635[10:38:11] <gigaherz> For earth, have considered making it some sort of "barrier", or "wall", but i'm not convinced

L636[10:41:25] <Ratys> Is "projectile" considered a spell?

L637[10:41:33] <Ratys> Uh a shape*

L638[10:41:53] <Ratys> Bleh, language y u no work

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L640[10:42:21] <MattDahEpic> gigaherz, for earth make it place down like a landmine and trigger when an entity enters it's blockspace

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L642[10:42:27] <Ratys> What I mean is, you could make your Earth spell a projectile by default

L643[10:42:45] <gigaherz> MattDahEpic: nah that'd be a "ritual" type spell

L644[10:42:48] <gigaherz> spells are volatile

L645[10:42:52] <gigaherz> they don't "stick" by default

L646[10:42:59] <MattDahEpic> then grenade?

L647[10:43:16] <gigaherz> isn't that basically a projectile?

L648[10:43:31] <gigaherz> a grenade would be earth-fire, with ball shape

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L650[10:43:32] <MattDahEpic> but heavily affected by gravity and bounces off blockzs

L651[10:43:39] <gigaherz> so it owuld be a complex spell involving earth, fire, and water

L652[10:44:02] <Ratys> Are you making a Magicka-type casting system there :P

L653[10:44:04] <MattDahEpic> darkness could be AOE

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L655[10:44:07] <gigaherz> yes Ratys

L656[10:44:27] <Techfoxis> Morn, to all.

L657[10:44:27] <Ratys> Neat :)

L658[10:44:30] <gigaherz> aoe around the player is already fire

L659[10:44:32] <Ratys> Hi

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L661[10:45:20] <thor12022_oops> I suppose expanding rings or chains would be considered complex

L662[10:46:00] <gigaherz> chained cast would be complex, yes

L663[10:46:15] <gigaherz> I'm not sure how it would be done

L664[10:46:27] <gigaherz> but it would involve a modifier applied to beams

L665[10:46:50] <Nitrodev> oh gigaherz you working on the magic mod?

L666[10:46:54] <gigaherz> yep

L667[10:47:02] <gigaherz> looking for ideas ;P

L668[10:47:15] <gigaherz> for the shape of earth spells, and the shape of darkness spells

L669[10:47:19] <gigaherz> (default shape)

L670[10:47:39] <gigaherz> ideally, it would be something that relates with the element itself

L671[10:47:40] <gigaherz> like

L672[10:47:54] <gigaherz> water has a tendency to form "drops", so the shape is a ball

L673[10:48:10] <gigaherz> and fire tends to create flames around theobject, so the shape is a sphere around the caster

L674[10:48:20] <Ratys> *sigh* just as I finally sat down to actually implement stuff for MY spellcasting mod I start seeing people making similar things everywhere :P Heck, even Vazkii with Psi

L675[10:48:33] <gigaherz> heh

L676[10:49:28] <Ratys> I'm trying to make it kind of like Vancian casting of D&D works, with a hefty dose of that wordcasting homebrew

L677[10:49:30] <gigaherz> so yeah no idea waht to do... I may start to work on rituals instead. hmf

L678[10:49:46] <LatvianModder> Play HL2

L679[10:49:48] <LatvianModder> :D

L680[10:49:49] <thor12022_oops> how about vertical cone/dome, like a stalagmite or valcano

L681[10:49:54] <gigaherz> Ratys: i have always wanted to create a language-like magic system

L682[10:50:01] <gigaherz> nor mc-related specifically

L683[10:50:11] <gigaherz> but I had the idea of an actual formal syntax

L684[10:50:14] <gigaherz> with "power words"

L685[10:50:26] <MattDahEpic> inb4 fus ro dah

L686[10:50:27] <gigaherz> so that the spell is actually like a script

L687[10:50:38] <gigaherz> MattDahEpic: no that's a crappy way of doing it

L688[10:50:40] <Ratys> Eh, wordcasting is a bit simpler and gamier than proper language-like system

L689[10:50:45] <gigaherz> I mean an actual magical language

L690[10:50:55] <Ratys> Yeah, I get you

L691[10:51:26] <poiuy_qwert> gigaherz: not exactly a shape, but earth could be falling stuff, like a rock slide or something?

L692[10:52:02] <gigaherz> poiuy_qwert: currently, earth creates a ball of dust

L693[10:52:04] <gigaherz> that suffocates

L694[10:52:09] <gigaherz> but dissipates quickly

L695[10:52:48] <gigaherz> but I'm not really sure about that, either

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L697[10:53:07] <gigaherz> so yeah as I was saying with the language thing

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L699[10:53:53] <poiuy_qwert> I would have though suffocation would be more an air thing, but I guess the dust is the earth part

L700[10:54:55] <gigaherz> no suffocation is antagonist to ir (breathing) so it belongs to earth

L701[10:54:56] <gigaherz> ;P

L702[10:55:19] <Nitrodev> oh you gt cool language things too

L703[10:55:38] <Ratys> Unrelated (but please continue): is it supposed to look for the blockstate json when texturing items?..

L704[10:55:50] <Nitrodev> yes

L705[10:56:03] <Nitrodev> blockstate is the state the block is in

L706[10:56:14] <gigaherz> Ratys: vanilla minecraft wouldn't

L707[10:56:20] <Ratys> Why do *items* need blockstates?

L708[10:56:24] <Nitrodev> like piston extended has a different texture than a unextended one

L709[10:56:31] <gigaherz> but forge adds the ability for items to use the blockstate files

L710[10:56:34] <Nitrodev> they dont

L711[10:56:40] <Nitrodev> why the fuck

L712[10:56:46] <gigaherz> because the blockstates files lets you have submodels

L713[10:56:51] <gigaherz> default values and such

L714[10:56:57] <Ratys> Huh, so "Forge thing"

L715[10:57:00] <Nitrodev> ah

L716[10:57:10] <gigaherz> it's much more powerful than having one separate model per item+meta

L717[10:57:15] <Ratys> Is it mandatory or I can make a simple flat-textured item wihtout that?

L718[10:57:19] <Nitrodev> i've actually not used any model files that forge adds

L719[10:57:29] <gigaherz> there's no "simple flat-textured item" anymore

L720[10:57:33] <gigaherz> everything is a model

L721[10:57:39] <gigaherz> even inventory items have depth

L722[10:57:48] <gigaherz> even when they are drawn from the front so they look flat

L723[10:58:12] <Ratys> Hm, okay. How recent is that? Don't see it in the few 1.8+ 'tutorials' I've seen

L724[10:58:16] <gigaherz> the same model you see on the ground or in hand, with the front and back textures and the 3D edge going around it

L725[10:58:22] <gigaherz> this is 1.8+

L726[10:58:27] <gigaherz> so what you do is either

L727[10:58:43] <Nitrodev> yeah models are 1.8+ thing

L728[10:58:51] <gigaherz> 1. create a model json for the item, using "builtin/generated" as the parent, and "textures": { "layer0": "texture location" }

L729[10:58:52] <Nitrodev> meaning 1.8 has it 1.8.9 has it etc.

L730[10:58:53] <gigaherz> or

L731[10:59:05] <gigaherz> 2. create a blockstates json file, with the same

L732[10:59:36] <Ratys> http://i.imgur.com/9e1y7CE.png

L733[10:59:47] <gigaherz> I recommend the latter

L734[11:00:04] <gigaherz> lets you do things like this

L735[11:00:05] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/resources/assets/elementsofpower/blockstates/gemstone.json

L736[11:00:10] <Ratys> That's a test item I've been trying to make work, yet it does the purpley block thing when I load it up

L737[11:00:46] <Ratys> Console goes Exception loading model for variant arsarcanum:dustBluestone#inventory

L738[11:01:07] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/client/ClientProxy.java#L185

L739[11:01:20] <Nitrodev> Ratys you need an item model

L740[11:01:26] <gigaherz> can you show your ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation line?

L741[11:01:31] <gigaherz> and the model file?

L742[11:01:37] <Nitrodev> just a blockstate one wont work. i thinmk

L743[11:01:49] <gigaherz> Nitrodev: yes it will

L744[11:01:51] <gigaherz> ;P

L745[11:01:54] <gigaherz> look at mine

L746[11:02:19] <gigaherz> that one file is all I need for my gemstones sub-items

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L748[11:02:28] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/client/ClientProxy.java#L127

L749[11:02:36] <gigaherz> I have code like this to bind the item with the gemstone

L750[11:02:47] <Nitrodev> alright i need to do that for my storage units

L751[11:02:59] <Nitrodev> AH

L752[11:03:00] <Nitrodev> i see

L753[11:03:01] <Ratys> That's the thing, I have no ModelLoader, because tutorials I looked at (yes, for 1.8) don't involve that

L754[11:03:12] <gigaherz> Ratys: they probably use the itemmodelmeshes

L755[11:03:15] <gigaherz> which is obsolete

L756[11:03:18] <gigaherz> you shouldn't be using that

L757[11:03:26] <gigaherz> you shoudl be using ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation

L758[11:03:44] <gigaherz> just make sure to call it from pre-init (AFTER you instantiate the items, though ;P)

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L760[11:04:46] <Ratys> Huh. Thanks, I'll look into it

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L763[11:07:04] <Nitrodev> gigaherz, where do you define the varaints for your item

L764[11:07:20] <Nitrodev> so the game knows what models to give to what items

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L766[11:07:31] <Flashfire> Each variant has its own model

L767[11:07:43] <Nitrodev> no need to

L768[11:08:06] <gigaherz> Nitrodev: setCustomMRL calls addVariantName for you, now

L769[11:08:11] <Flashfire> You override getUnlocalizedName in your item and return the name

L770[11:08:12] <gigaherz> since 1.8.9

L771[11:08:31] <Flashfire> Didn'

L772[11:08:35] <Flashfire> t know about setCustomMRL

L773[11:08:35] <gigaherz> Flashfire: that's not how you do it

L774[11:08:44] <Flashfire> That's how I've been doing it and it works

L775[11:08:46] <gigaherz> unlocalized name should ONLY be used for display strings

L776[11:08:54] <gigaherz> NEVER for using as model names or such

L777[11:09:07] <Flashfire> Hmm ok

L778[11:09:16] <gigaherz> you can use setRegistryName/getRegistryName if you don't want to hardcode

L779[11:09:28] <gigaherz> Nitrodev: basically the blockstates loader

L780[11:09:30] <Flashfire> Where is that used?

L781[11:09:41] <Flashfire> Client proxy?

L782[11:09:58] <gigaherz> setRegistryName/getRegistryName you can use it from your block/item constructor

L783[11:10:03] <Flashfire> Ah ok

L784[11:10:13] <gigaherz> ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation from the client proxy

L785[11:10:26] <Flashfire> How can I prevent vanilla blocks from being destroyed by an explosion based on their blockpos?

L786[11:10:44] <gigaherz> Nitrodev: so as I was saying

L787[11:10:45] <Flashfire> BreakBlock only works for player breaking the block

L788[11:11:06] <gigaherz> the blockstates loader creates a map<string, model>

L789[11:11:16] <gigaherz> based on the info from the blockstates json file

L790[11:11:41] <gigaherz> and on the other side, you have the state mapper and setCustomMRL, which maps blocks/items to models

L791[11:11:51] <gigaherz> so

L792[11:11:57] <gigaherz> you have a variant string coming from the rendering side

L793[11:12:05] <gigaherz> and a variant string "key" in the blockstates map

L794[11:12:11] <gigaherz> so long as they "match", it works.

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L796[11:12:29] <Nitrodev> ah i'll keep what i have for now

L797[11:12:33] <Lordmau5> wtf...

L798[11:13:07] <Lordmau5> so I added a new blockstate to my block but apparently it seems like it's never really being checked for the json file?

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L801[11:13:40] <Flashfire> Did you add the property to the block?

L802[11:13:45] <Lordmau5> Yessir

L803[11:13:59] <Nitrodev> does the file have the extension .json

L804[11:14:02] <Nitrodev> in the name

L805[11:14:03] <Lordmau5> actually, let me check something

L806[11:14:09] <Lordmau5> it does, dw, it works for the other states I have

L807[11:14:11] <Lordmau5> errh, properties*

L808[11:14:21] <Nitrodev> the actualy file needs to say itemName.json

L809[11:14:27] <Lordmau5> > block

L810[11:14:29] <Lordmau5> > itemName.json

L811[11:14:32] <Lordmau5> > wat

L812[11:14:36] <Nitrodev> blockName then

L813[11:14:42] <Nitrodev> but the .json is NEEDED

L814[11:15:37] <Flashfire> Does anyone know how I can prevent block break from explosions, including vanilla blocks?

L815[11:15:44] <Nitrodev> because even if you know that the file is a json file the game/code won't recognize it unless it has .json at the end of the name

L816[11:16:01] <Nitrodev> Flashfire, se the hardness to 10000f

L817[11:16:07] <Nitrodev> that should do it

L818[11:16:10] <Flashfire> *including vanilla blocks*

L819[11:16:18] <Lordmau5> urgh god damn it, ofc this fixed it, cheers.

L820[11:16:19] <Nitrodev> or is it blast resistance i can't remember

L821[11:16:22] <Lordmau5> Should've probably updated the block, eh?

L822[11:16:24] <Lordmau5> >_>

L823[11:16:27] <Nitrodev> np Lordmau5

L824[11:16:34] <Flashfire> I can't alter either of those on vanilla blocks so I need to do something else

L825[11:16:38] <infinitefoxes_> Nitrodev: if you want to stop vanilla blocks from being blown up, try ExplosionEvent.Detonate

L826[11:16:39] <Nitrodev> sorry Flashfire i don't kow about vanilla

L827[11:16:42] <infinitefoxes_> flashfire*

L828[11:16:44] <infinitefoxes_> my bad

L829[11:16:57] <Flashfire> Hmm, I haven't heard of that

L830[11:17:01] <Flashfire> I will check it out, thanks

L831[11:17:24] <MattDahEpic> i cant figure out why my recipes dont work. crafting the 2 components gives a different output then the recipe says: https://github.com/MattDahEpic/RingkyDinks/blob/1.8.9/src/main/java/com/mattdahepic/ringkydinks/proxy/CommonProxy.java#L45

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L833[11:18:23] <MattDahEpic> like the recipe crafting dink + tier 1 ring gives lavawalk ringkydink for some reason

L834[11:18:46] <Nitrodev> that whole line looks weird

L835[11:19:31] <Flashfire> @infinitefoxes Thank you very much, this looks very promising

L836[11:20:21] <infinitefoxes_> np <3

L837[11:25:59] <Lordmau5> hmm

L838[11:26:01] <Bitterholz> OrionOnline, you there

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L841[11:29:55] <Nitrodev> Bitterholz, unless only OrionOnline can answer you you can ask any of us

L842[11:31:55] <Lordmau5> so

L843[11:32:09] <Bitterholz> Nitrodev, i explained the situation to him earlier

L844[11:32:11] <Lordmau5> how would I count down a variable per-render-tick with taking the partialRenderTicks into account?

L845[11:32:23] <Lordmau5> Currently the variable ticks down faster if I have, say, 700FPS compared to 100FPS

L846[11:32:27] <Lordmau5> (makes sense)

L847[11:32:51] <gigaherz> Lordmau5: don't "count" on per frame

L848[11:32:56] <gigaherz> keep the counter elsewhere

L849[11:33:04] <gigaherz> and then add the partialTicks to find the exact number

L850[11:33:05] <gigaherz> like

L851[11:33:08] <Lordmau5> huh?

L852[11:33:22] <gigaherz> let's say it first counting up, since it's easier to understand

L853[11:33:23] <Lordmau5> well, it should technically only go down inside the DrawBlockHighlightEvent

L854[11:33:41] <gigaherz> is this a tileentity? entity? something else?

L855[11:33:51] <Lordmau5> TileEntity. Custom Overlay render, which is working already

L856[11:33:53] <tterrag> Lordmau5: https://github.com/SleepyTrousers/EnderCore/blob/master/src/main/java/com/enderio/core/client/handlers/ClientHandler.java

L857[11:33:57] <tterrag> I have that handy at all times :P

L858[11:34:00] <Lordmau5> Arigato gozaimasu

L859[11:34:02] <Lordmau5> ^^

L860[11:34:02] <tterrag> but if you have a TE just use onUpdate()

L861[11:34:05] <gigaherz> Lordmau5: then

L862[11:34:07] <gigaherz> use the update on the TE

L863[11:34:08] <Lordmau5> but dat's ticks

L864[11:34:09] <gigaherz> to count

L865[11:34:12] <tterrag> yes

L866[11:34:12] <gigaherz> then do

L867[11:34:15] <tterrag> ticks are always 20/s

L868[11:34:18] <tterrag> they do not change like fps

L869[11:34:21] <gigaherz> te.ticks + partialTicks

L870[11:34:25] <gigaherz> and theresult

L871[11:34:31] <Lordmau5> wat

L872[11:34:31] <gigaherz> if you want it in seconds, you can divide by 20.0f

L873[11:34:52] <Lordmau5> So inside my onUpdate I just count up a variable on the clientside, right?

L874[11:34:59] <gigaherz> yes

L875[11:35:14] <tterrag> https://github.com/SleepyTrousers/EnderIO/blob/master/src/main/java/crazypants/enderio/teleport/telepad/TelePadSpecialRenderer.java#L64

L876[11:35:20] <tterrag> spinSpeed is stored in the TE and is updated per tick

L877[11:35:39] <tterrag> it's the current degrees-per-tick rate of spin

L878[11:35:53] <tterrag> multiply that by partialtick and you get the delta you add to the tick based rotation

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L880[11:36:07] <Lordmau5> so what do I write there: if(ticksElapsed++ == 20) ticksElapsed = 0; ?

L881[11:36:22] <gigaherz> uh

L882[11:36:33] <Lordmau5> I assume I don't need it to count to one billion (insert Dr. Evil picture) there...

L883[11:36:35] <Bitterholz> X.obj has UVs ('vt') out of bounds 0-1! The missing model will be used instead. Support for UV processing will be added to the OBJ loader in the future.

L884[11:36:36] <gigaherz> if you want it to loop back

L885[11:36:40] <Bitterholz> what does this imply

L886[11:36:53] <Bitterholz> Nitrodev, maybe you can help me out on that

L887[11:36:54] <Lordmau5> giga, I think it'd be easier to explain what I want to do :D

L888[11:36:56] <tterrag> Bitterholz: exactly what it says? your UVs are out of range

L889[11:36:56] <gigaherz> Bitterholz: there's a limitation in the OBJ loader

L890[11:37:11] <gigaherz> where it doesn't support uv coords outside the 0..1 range

L891[11:37:22] <tterrag> Lordmau5: the classic XY problem. don't explain your attempted solution, explain your problem :P

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L893[11:37:36] <Lordmau5> shush, it's easier to follow that way

L894[11:37:38] <Lordmau5> :P

L895[11:37:38] <tterrag> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem

L896[11:37:40] <tterrag> no it's not

L897[11:37:57] <Bitterholz> wich means exactly what? do i need to move the modell again?

L898[11:38:05] <gigaherz> this has nothing to do with moving

L899[11:38:09] <gigaherz> it simply means the texture mapping is wrong

L900[11:38:17] <Bitterholz> how the...

L901[11:38:23] <gigaherz> either you mapped it outside the valid range

L902[11:38:29] <gigaherz> or there may be rounding errors in the number

L903[11:38:38] <Bitterholz> maybe its rounding errors

L904[11:38:47] <Lordmau5> Variable is set to 3f if not looking at my block. Ticks down when looking at a block, but resets upon looking at another block. How can I make it tick down via. other means than the FPS or per-frame?

L905[11:38:49] <Lordmau5> that better?...

L906[11:38:51] <gigaherz> open your .obj file in idea/eclipse and see if you have stuff like "1.35636e-18"

L907[11:39:10] <Bitterholz> well if i have a texture on the map starting at 0/0 and map the verticle to 0/0 is that wrong?

L908[11:39:19] <gigaherz> Lordmau5: you are still explaining your solution ;P

L909[11:39:36] <Lordmau5> Okay, can I have another try?

L910[11:39:38] <gigaherz> yo uwant to do something when you look at your block for 3 seconds?

L911[11:39:55] <Lordmau5> How can I make a variable tick down independently of the FPS, or rather, frame-by-frame

L912[11:39:56] <gigaherz> if that's it

L913[11:40:06] <gigaherz> then 3 seconds are 60 ticks (3*20)

L914[11:40:14] <gigaherz> so you can just start at 60

L915[11:40:16] <gigaherz> and count down to 0

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L917[11:40:40] <Lordmau5> does that work inside the tile though?

L918[11:40:42] <gigaherz> and you want to do that in your TE's update method

L919[11:40:50] <Lordmau5> As in, does the tile update 20 times a second on the client even IF there's lag?

L920[11:40:54] <Lordmau5> ye, figured

L921[11:40:56] <gigaherz> yes

L922[11:40:58] <gigaherz> that's thep oint of ticks

L923[11:41:00] <gigaherz> it's always 20

L924[11:41:04] <tterrag> well

L925[11:41:08] <gigaherz> if the game lags a lot

L926[11:41:11] <tterrag> actually it can skip ticks

L927[11:41:13] <gigaherz> then it can skip ticks

L928[11:41:17] <gigaherz> but

L929[11:41:18] <tterrag> but lag isn't really a bug you can worry about

L930[11:41:21] <gigaherz> it's not relaly "skipping"

L931[11:41:27] <tterrag> if they are lagging so bad it messes up your animation, oh well

L932[11:41:28] <gigaherz> so much as it will just fake increment the time

L933[11:41:53] <gigaherz> yeah when mc chooses to skip ticks, just live with it

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L935[11:43:17] <Bitterholz> Im confused now...how exactly can i map a Texture wrong? As it stands here my textures are out of bounds but how can i Fix that?

L936[11:43:36] <gigaherz> Bitterholz:

L937[11:43:49] <gigaherz> it's common in 3d modelling to have repeating textures

L938[11:44:01] <gigaherz> so that a pattern will show up more than once along a surface

L939[11:44:06] <gigaherz> this is NOT supported by Minecraft

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L941[11:44:25] <gigaherz> so that would be one situation where the texture mapping could be wrong

L942[11:44:26] <Bitterholz> ah so i need to disable repetition of textures in my model right?

L943[11:44:38] <gigaherz> yes

L944[11:45:07] <Lordmau5> yay, this works

L945[11:45:10] <riderj> How can I determine the type of an inline argument? I need to check if the argument is an integer.

L946[11:45:19] <gigaherz> wat?

L947[11:45:34] <riderj> Compile argument, command line argument, dunno what to call it.

L948[11:45:50] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz, Yes i am here

L949[11:45:53] <tterrag> uhh...is this MC related? what are you doing with command line? O.o

L950[11:45:57] <gigaherz> depends on what you refer to -- those are different things XD

L951[11:46:04] <OrionOnline> I was studying for my math exam so i was not looking at the screen

L952[11:46:06] <Bitterholz> apparently OrionOnline i may not use repetition...

L953[11:46:07] <OrionOnline> Whats up?

L954[11:46:10] <unascribed> you mean like java -Dsome.property=value?

L955[11:46:11] <Bitterholz> of textures that is

L956[11:46:13] <riderj> No, just a general question

L957[11:46:17] <unascribed> that's System.getProperty

L958[11:46:21] <OrionOnline> What do you mean?

L959[11:46:28] <Bitterholz> so do i set the texture extension mode to what?

L960[11:46:41] <OrionOnline> No you just assign it a material

L961[11:46:42] <tterrag> so you're talking about args passed into `public static void main(String[] args)` ?

L962[11:46:45] <Lordmau5> yay got it working

L963[11:46:46] <gigaherz> OrionOnline: his model has UVs outside the 0..1 range

L964[11:46:47] <tterrag> aka program args

L965[11:46:54] <riderj> yes

L966[11:46:57] <OrionOnline> gigaherz, i fixed that my selg

L967[11:46:59] <OrionOnline> self*

L968[11:47:05] <tterrag> I recommend a lib for that, those can get tricky :P

L969[11:47:13] <gigaherz> OrionOnline: that's what he's complaining about, though

L970[11:47:13] <Bitterholz> giga does it help to set the mapping Extension mode to Extend or sth else?

L971[11:47:26] <gigaherz> riderj: try to parse it, and it if tails, it wasn't a number ;P

L972[11:47:28] <tterrag> joptsimple or apache commons-cli

L973[11:47:31] <riderj> I have an assignment for my CS class, and I went to the prof. to get help, but he doesn't know how to do it.

L974[11:47:32] <tterrag> both work great :P

L975[11:47:43] <tterrag> ahhh homework eh? no libs then I'm guessing

L976[11:47:46] <OrionOnline> I scaled it back down and moved the model to the 0 -> 1, 0 -> -1, 0 -> 1 region

L977[11:47:48] <riderj> Nop

L978[11:47:49] <gigaherz> Bitterholz: I don't know, I don't even know which program you use for modelling

L979[11:47:58] <Bitterholz> gigaherz, Blender

L980[11:48:00] <gigaherz> OrionOnline: UV coords, not positions

L981[11:48:03] <tterrag> ok then, the only way to check if a string is an integer really is to trycatch Integer.valueOf

L982[11:48:15] <gigaherz> Bitterholz: yeah, I never did models with Blender

L983[11:48:16] <gigaherz> sorry ;p

L984[11:48:17] <OrionOnline> Oh :P

L985[11:48:27] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz, let me remap

L986[11:48:29] <OrionOnline> One sec

L987[11:48:31] <tterrag> try { i = Integer.valueOf(s); } catch (NumberFormatException 2) { throw new IllegalArgumentException(s + " is not a number!"); }

L988[11:48:33] <riderj> It's a basic command line calculator, but we need to do exception handling, and then replicate it without using exceptions

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L990[11:48:51] <Bitterholz> gigaherz, Options are Extends, Clip, Checker, Clipcube and Repeat

L991[11:48:54] <tterrag> s/2/e

L992[11:49:08] <gigaherz> no idea what they mean, Bitterholz, sorry

L993[11:49:13] <OrionOnline> Ah okey i see

L994[11:49:23] <tterrag> riderj: something coming in from System.in is the same thing

L995[11:49:25] <tterrag> use Integer.valueOf

L996[11:49:30] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz, your problem lies with the fact that you want to have multiple objects on one texture sheet

L997[11:49:37] <OrionOnline> Which is normally not a problem

L998[11:49:40] <riderj> Throws an exception if it's not an integer

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L1000[11:49:55] <Bitterholz> i thought it wouldnt be problematic...:O

L1001[11:50:03] <gigaherz> try {parseInt } catch() { display error }

L1002[11:50:04] <gigaherz> XD

L1003[11:50:08] <tterrag> riderj: http://stackoverflow.com/a/1102916

L1004[11:50:10] <OrionOnline> But the OBJ exporter in Blender then threats it a bit weird and creates sometimes some strage values

L1005[11:50:13] <tterrag> there's a more complicated solution

L1006[11:50:19] <Bitterholz> ah

L1007[11:50:20] <tterrag> but somehow I doubt your prof wanted you to use regex

L1008[11:50:30] <tterrag> there is no way to do it simply in java without exceptions being involved

L1009[11:50:32] <Bitterholz> something i can do about that? like some kind of extension?

L1010[11:50:33] <OrionOnline> The old OBJ loader had no problem with that

L1011[11:50:37] <unascribed> guava has Integers.tryParse

L1012[11:50:39] <OrionOnline> But the new one seems to

L1013[11:50:42] <tterrag> unascribed: no libs

L1014[11:50:43] <unascribed> returns null if it isn't a valid integer

L1015[11:50:45] <unascribed> ah

L1016[11:50:47] <tterrag> we have established that

L1017[11:50:56] <riderj> XD

L1018[11:50:58] <tterrag> also NumberUtils.isNumber apache :P

L1019[11:50:59] <unascribed> yeah, trycatch is the cleanest way then

L1020[11:51:31] <riderj> I'll copy the problems text, maybe I read it wrong. I don't believe I can use Scanner either, otherwise I'd be done :/

L1021[11:51:45] <tterrag> what?!

L1022[11:51:53] <tterrag> Scanner is the only sensible way to read from command line...

L1023[11:52:25] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz, gigaherz i just scanned through the whole document i cannot find any texture above 1, let me check for below 0

L1024[11:52:36] <riderj> I know, but the problem wants us to use the stupid program args

L1025[11:52:36] <Bitterholz> i bet its below 0

L1026[11:52:45] <gigaherz> most common issue is like

L1027[11:52:52] <gigaherz> -1.234785e-14

L1028[11:52:54] <gigaherz> and numbers like that

L1029[11:52:55] <tterrag> so

L1030[11:53:12] <tterrag> you'd run `java -jar mycalc.jar 1 + 1`

L1031[11:53:15] <tterrag> or something?

L1032[11:53:35] <tterrag> that seems like horrible design, both for a real program and a homework assignment

L1033[11:53:46] <Bitterholz> so how can i, while im mapping, stop the Program from creating that shit? o.O

L1034[11:53:58] <Bitterholz> inb4 first time im dealing with this stuff

L1035[11:54:08] <riderj> Oh, I'm dumb >.<

L1036[11:54:14] <riderj> I read it wrong

L1037[11:54:19] <tterrag> I hope so...

L1038[11:55:38] <OrionOnline> Nope

L1039[11:55:48] <OrionOnline> no vt line has any coords outside of the given range

L1040[11:55:54] <OrionOnline> Allthough looking at the file

L1041[11:56:00] <OrionOnline> A lot of meshes do not have any vertex coords

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L1043[11:56:40] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz, some tips up front

L1044[11:56:47] <Bitterholz> maybe because to lot of them is not textured OrionOnline

L1045[11:57:08] <OrionOnline> I am not sure if the new OBJ loader will load a vertex without a texture coord assigned

L1046[11:57:37] <OrionOnline> To be on the safe side: I am going to say no it will not do that

L1047[11:58:17] <Bitterholz> well, before i added ANY textures to it, it did not complain, just rendered nothing and showed a full block BB

L1048[11:59:20] <Bitterholz> I don't even know if this modell is possible...because of triagonal faces

L1049[11:59:31] <OrionOnline> Bitterholz, yes it is

L1050[11:59:38] <Bitterholz> good

L1051[11:59:43] <OrionOnline> But you are going to need to triangulate some faces

L1052[11:59:53] <OrionOnline> As you have faces with more the 4 vertices assigned

L1053[11:59:59] <Bitterholz> i would have ragequitted if it wasnt

L1054[12:00:03] <Bitterholz> wait what?

L1055[12:00:14] <Bitterholz> i SHOULD only have faces with 4 or less

L1056[12:00:20] <riderj> tterrag, I wasn't wrong haha. He does want us to do a command line calc using the program args.

L1057[12:00:21] <OrionOnline> Let me check again

L1058[12:00:37] <tterrag> riderj: could you like...post the specs or something

L1059[12:00:45] <OrionOnline> f 117//59 118//59 119//59 122//59 121//59 120//59

L1060[12:00:48] <riderj> Yeah, lemme find em.

L1061[12:00:52] <OrionOnline> Has more the four vertices......

L1062[12:01:01] <Bitterholz> maybe there are verticles stacked upon each other on the inside or somewhere

L1063[12:01:19] <OrionOnline> Yeah that might have happened

L1064[12:01:32] <OrionOnline> But under normal circumstances it would not have created that face then

L1065[12:01:46] <Bitterholz> apparently it did lol

L1066[12:01:50] <OrionOnline> But tha tis not hard to solve

L1067[12:02:04] <OrionOnline> Blender has a inhouse option to triangulate faces

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L1069[12:02:25] <OrionOnline> To get this model to render you need to do a couple of things:

L1070[12:02:25] <Bitterholz> if you want to do it feel free to, im so enraged with my model artist right now

L1071[12:02:42] <OrionOnline> The problem is not your model artist

L1072[12:02:45] <Bitterholz> might search for them later

L1073[12:02:50] <OrionOnline> It is for a big part minecrafts render system

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L1075[12:03:16] <OrionOnline> But here are the things you need to do:

L1076[12:03:51] <OrionOnline> 1) On every object: Triangulate all faces (google blender triangulate faces, you find excelent stuff there)

L1077[12:04:05] <riderj> Problem: https://gyazo.com/5bb73765d146d2507df56ce505564e46 Base Code: http://pastebin.com/a6C1UW1P

L1078[12:04:43] <OrionOnline> 2) Move every mesh to its own texture file (some you can spare, if i am correctly the "legs" of this thing will map to the same vertices in the end so you can make them the same material)

L1079[12:04:57] <Bitterholz> OrionOnline, Q1) what does Triangulating the Faces to for me

L1080[12:05:23] <gigaherz> it removes polygons with > 4 vertices, which are not supported

L1081[12:05:26] <OrionOnline> It searches for faces with four or more vertices and splits them to make them only have three

L1082[12:05:37] <Bitterholz> The LEGS will become the connection points for the pipes at some point

L1083[12:05:37] <gigaherz> ideally you'd want as much % of the polygons to be quads

L1084[12:05:40] <gigaherz> but triangles work too

L1085[12:05:57] <Bitterholz> allright

L1086[12:06:25] <OrionOnline> With move every mesh to its own texture file i mean move it to its own material

L1087[12:06:29] <Bitterholz> i basicly need to do all of them XD

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L1089[12:06:57] <OrionOnline> This is more hassle for your texture artist as he has now like 10 tetxure sheets he has to fill, yet you have a lot less hassle finding problems

L1090[12:06:59] <Bitterholz> so every part like CENTER UP DOWN n stuff needs to have seperate mats and Texture files?

L1091[12:07:06] <OrionOnline> Yes

L1092[12:07:22] <OrionOnline> (it is not needed, but highly recommended for orinasations sake)

L1093[12:07:26] <Bitterholz> ill give that to him and hope it works out

L1094[12:07:51] <OrionOnline> (and you might be able to spare some if the uv unwrap wraps the connectors vertices all to the same place)

L1095[12:08:06] <Bitterholz> is there a way to make quads quads?

L1096[12:08:16] <OrionOnline> A quad is a Quad

L1097[12:08:17] <Bitterholz> like >4 into quads?

L1098[12:08:23] <riderj> tterrag, Did you get em?

L1099[12:08:26] <Bitterholz> sry bad explaining

L1100[12:08:36] <OrionOnline> Owhhh, em i donnot think so

L1101[12:08:49] <Bitterholz> could try triangulate and untriangulate

L1102[12:09:05] <OrionOnline> It would not make sense then how would you devide a face with 5 vertices into two quads?

L1103[12:09:08] <tterrag> yeah

L1104[12:09:09] <tterrag> gimme a sec

L1105[12:09:44] <Bitterholz> as gig said, i want most of the faces to be quads right?

L1106[12:09:45] <riderj> Just makin sure :P

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L1108[12:10:37] <OrionOnline> Yeah, but there are only two ways here: gop through every face by hand and add only on the needed faces (those with more then 4 vertices), or let blender do it and have more faces

L1109[12:10:58] <OrionOnline> The only thing it will harm is the FPS on really really slow computers, and only if you have a lot of them around

L1110[12:11:39] <tterrag> riderj: what about that says that it has to use the main method args?

L1111[12:12:07] <tterrag> oh I see

L1112[12:12:09] <tterrag> the base code

L1113[12:12:10] <riderj> tterrag, Nothing specifically. I assumed since he used them for the base code we had to conform to it

L1114[12:12:12] <tterrag> well then it's what I said

L1115[12:12:17] <tterrag> <tterrag> you'd run `java -jar mycalc.jar 1 + 1`

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L1117[12:12:35] <riderj> Yeah

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L1119[12:13:06] <tterrag> I don't know what an "exception handler" is

L1120[12:13:10] <tterrag> do they mean trycatch?

L1121[12:13:39] <riderj> Yes

L1122[12:14:00] <riderj> The books not well written

L1123[12:14:24] <tterrag> ok well

L1124[12:14:35] <tterrag> to me it seems that the code they give is already written "without an exception handler"

L1125[12:14:45] <tterrag> so what you need to do is add proper input validation

L1126[12:15:47] <riderj> I see

L1127[12:16:06] <tterrag> this would mean trycatch'ing the parsing of the arguments

L1128[12:16:12] <tterrag> and outputting something sensible instead of just crashing

L1129[12:16:22] <williewillus> lol "Scala code reads like a Haskell fanfic"

L1130[12:16:47] <williewillus> ~ tweet shown at a clojure talk

L1131[12:17:28] <riderj> so isNumeric example given above would be the case.

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L1134[12:18:27] <Bitterholz> There will be alot of them arround

L1135[12:18:56] <Bitterholz> OrionOnline, my model artist kicked in and found some >4 verticla faces

L1136[12:19:06] <Bitterholz> hopefully having them removed helps

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L1138[12:19:39] <OrionOnline> I am going to need to go now

L1139[12:19:44] <OrionOnline> I have exams this week

L1140[12:20:01] <OrionOnline> Study study study is the name of the game (and eating which is what i am going to do now)

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L1142[12:21:06] <williewillus> what are you studying?

L1143[12:21:37] <MalkContent> studying

L1144[12:21:45] <MalkContent> he's a studyologist

L1145[12:21:50] <williewillus> lol

L1146[12:21:56] <MalkContent> HA a yolo snuck in there

L1147[12:22:07] <MalkContent> stud yolo gist

L1148[12:22:09] <MalkContent> classic

L1149[12:22:41] <riderj> -___-

L1150[12:23:29] <MalkContent> you're just jealous because you're not getting my stud yolo gist

L1151[12:23:43] <riderj> So jell

L1152[12:23:48] <riderj> Y no shair?

L1153[12:24:09] <MalkContent> not my fault youre not getting the gist :P

L1154[12:24:56] <Lordmau5> hmm...

L1155[12:25:12] <Lordmau5> there's no way to render DefaultVertexFormats.BLOCK with glRepeat, is there?

L1156[12:25:29] <Lordmau5> I asked something similar yesterday I think... I assume it has to do with TAS not being able to be rendered in repeat

L1157[12:25:31] <williewillus> what do you mean render a vertexformat :P

L1158[12:25:43] <williewillus> like use that vertexformat in the tessellator?

L1159[12:25:46] <riderj> https://gist.github.com/Riderj/7090942b306a2688a9cf

L1160[12:25:48] <Lordmau5> perhaps

L1161[12:25:56] <williewillus> sure you can, just make sure you use all the elements in the right order :P

L1162[12:26:04] <Lordmau5> even with a TAS?

L1163[12:26:13] <Lordmau5> one that already provides U and V variables?

L1164[12:26:29] <williewillus> not sure how glrepeat interacts with that, but you got it working yesterday didnt you?

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L1166[12:26:46] <OrionOnline> williewillus, Computer Sience

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L1168[12:27:05] <OrionOnline> Is that how you wright sience?

L1169[12:27:08] <Lordmau5> I'd like to adjust my tank-fluid renderer accordingly to only render it once for every side - and not once for every air-block inside the tank

L1170[12:27:10] <OrionOnline> No right,

L1171[12:27:11] <MalkContent> but that was just a wordplay :| "to get the gist of smth"

L1172[12:27:22] <williewillus> OrionOnline: i missed your answer lol

L1173[12:27:29] <OrionOnline> LOL

L1174[12:27:31] <williewillus> ctrl-w'ed on hexchat instead of chrome

L1175[12:27:42] <OrionOnline> I am studying Computer Science

L1176[12:27:46] <williewillus> nice

L1177[12:27:53] <williewillus> what year?

L1178[12:27:55] <riderj> ^

L1179[12:28:14] <OrionOnline> First year, but studyied 2,5 year Electronic Techniques

L1180[12:28:18] <fry> Lordmau5: rendering for each block is probably much faster than switching GL state

L1181[12:28:28] <Lordmau5> oh, alright

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L1183[12:28:39] <Lordmau5> good to know then :D

L1184[12:28:53] <MattDahEpic> thank you modpack crashlog for not giving a single line which points to a mod

L1185[12:29:13] <Lordmau5> MattDahEpic, drop me a link, I'll have a look at it :3

L1186[12:29:33] <MattDahEpic> https://paste.ee/p/QShCy

L1187[12:29:34] <Lordmau5> This is not really a IRC to ask about crashlogs. But if someone offers assistance, I think that's okay?

L1188[12:29:47] <MattDahEpic> it was more of a statement, but

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L1190[12:33:08] <Lordmau5> I'd say that some mod that adds Entities is not handling the rendering quite well...

L1191[12:33:11] <Lordmau5> *my assumption* :S

L1192[12:33:29] <williewillus> particles

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L1194[12:33:49] <Lordmau5> mainly seeing EntityXPOrb in the list

L1195[12:33:59] <MattDahEpic> it was at the end farm

L1196[12:34:01] <Lordmau5> AuraNode, ThaumicSlime, Enderman, Item

L1197[12:34:01] <williewillus> no but the crash was in the particle renderer

L1198[12:34:05] <Lordmau5> ye

L1199[12:34:32] <MattDahEpic> so you have the thaumcraft endermen and their taint crawlers and slimes, as well as blood magic particles

L1200[12:34:38] <smbarbour> My guess is that it's happening in one of the core mods that is altering vanilla code

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L1202[12:35:49] <smbarbour> The stack trace seems to indicate that it is a vanilla particle (no modded code mentioned)

L1203[12:39:22] <Wuppy> I just stopped making noise so I could smell better.... I'm not a smart man

L1204[12:39:31] <Lymia> This is a bit worrying, isn't it

L1205[12:39:32] <Lymia> "java.lang.NullPointerException: Unexpected error'

L1206[12:39:42] <Lymia> Unexpected error isn't the usual message for NullPointerException

L1207[12:40:31] <Lymia> Or maybe that's just Minecraft's error reporting.

L1208[12:47:26] <tterrag> new NullPointerException("Unexpected Error") :P

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L1211[12:49:23] <williewillus> nahhh manually throwing is too much work just do ((Object) null).toString() /s

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L1216[13:04:12] <unascribed> that's ugly

L1217[13:04:16] <unascribed> instead, you need a Util class

L1218[13:04:26] <unascribed> that has a method, throwNullPointerExceptionImmediately

L1219[13:04:29] <unascribed> with that in it's body

L1220[13:05:17] <fry> surprizingly, you can throw null in java

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L1222[13:05:33] <unascribed> lolwat

L1223[13:05:50] <unascribed> literally "throw null;"?

L1224[13:05:54] <fry> yup

L1225[13:05:56] <unascribed> wow

L1226[13:06:03] <williewillus> wait what happens then

L1227[13:06:07] <unascribed> I'd understand if it accepted null variables, because obviously that's a case that needs handling

L1228[13:06:10] <fry> it doesn't work

L1229[13:06:13] <unascribed> but the null keyword?

L1230[13:06:14] <fry> ... and throws NPE

L1231[13:06:19] <tterrag> yep

L1232[13:06:39] <tterrag> because it gets passed to whatever code makes the stacktraces which calls some method on it which NPEs

L1233[13:06:54] <unascribed> I can see some horrible developer somewhere putting "throw null;" in code as shorthand for "throw new NullPointerException();"

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L1238[13:09:54] <williewillus> if I need to get the last element of a collection but can't use last, how would I do it? was thinking reverse and first but that doesn't fit into the problem: http://www.4clojure.com/problem/19

L1239[13:10:55] <MattDahEpic> for until you get null the ngo back 1?

L1240[13:11:03] <williewillus> lol wat

L1241[13:11:39] <fry> write a recursive function, with a match

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L1244[13:23:41] <Wuppy> ugh I can't seem to code a scrolling background anymore :V

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L1249[13:38:26] <gigaherz> williewillus: why are you touching clojure? XD

L1250[13:38:35] <williewillus> I like it :P

L1251[13:38:52] <fry> touch scala instead

L1252[13:38:54] <gigaherz> IMO, anything derived from lisp is bad by definition

L1253[13:38:54] <gigaherz> XD

L1254[13:38:59] <fry> it's much better for modding

L1255[13:39:14] <williewillus> I don't like how scala looks :P also not for modding, just for fun

L1256[13:39:14] <Lymia> Yeah, uh.

L1257[13:39:27] <Lymia> I do like Lisps in theory, but, uh.

L1258[13:39:39] <Lymia> You know. In practice, I don't like the fact that they're dynamically typed.

L1259[13:39:45] <gigaherz> I do consider the concept interesting

L1260[13:40:06] <gigaherz> but it's the kind of idea that you write on paper, and go "nah"

L1261[13:40:10] <MalkContent> is there a waila for 1.8.9?

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L1263[13:40:24] <williewillus> ?shrugs

L1264[13:40:25] <gigaherz> MalkContent: yes

L1265[13:40:28] <Lymia> I think macro-heavy code like Lisp is a great idea.

L1266[13:40:31] <MalkContent> what's it called?

L1267[13:40:35] <gigaherz> http://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/waila/files/2270821

L1268[13:40:36] <williewillus> WAILA

L1269[13:40:36] <Lymia> Having that in a dynamic language, though?

L1270[13:40:37] <Lymia> Not so much

L1271[13:40:39] <gigaherz> works in 1.8.9 too

L1272[13:40:39] <gigaherz> XD

L1273[13:40:40] <MalkContent> o.

L1274[13:40:42] <MalkContent> derp

L1275[13:40:56] <MalkContent> thought it might have a replacement like jei is for nei

L1276[13:40:57] <Lymia> <williewillus> I don't like how scala looks :P also not for modding, just for fun

L1277[13:41:01] <fry> williewillus: get over the looks, seriously, it took me some time, but I did

L1278[13:41:02] <Lymia> Do you also have a problem with Java?

L1279[13:41:16] <fry> Scala is seriously good

L1280[13:41:29] <Lymia> (I never actually found a language where the looks bothered me0

L1281[13:41:52] <gigaherz> MalkContent: there are replacements too

L1282[13:41:55] <gigaherz> but waila works so..

L1283[13:41:56] <gigaherz> XD

L1284[13:42:07] <fry> I was forced to learn pascal at some point, so it left a bitter taste for postfix type annotations

L1285[13:42:17] <fry> but I got over it fairly quickly with Scala :P

L1286[13:42:23] <gigaherz> I did not.

L1287[13:42:39] <gigaherz> t othis day I still find any language with "name: type" ugly

L1288[13:42:40] <gigaherz> XD

L1289[13:42:41] <Lymia> Postfix type annotations didn't bother me in Scala. It was pretty obvious why it was designed that way.

L1290[13:42:46] <RANKSHANK> Lymia have you seen brainfuck? Haha

L1291[13:42:54] <gigaherz> funny thing is

L1292[13:42:56] <MalkContent> i thought i tried that and it crashed... hmm

L1293[13:42:58] <gigaherz> I understand why it's nice that way

L1294[13:42:59] <gigaherz> heck

L1295[13:43:04] <gigaherz> I used to love VB6

L1296[13:43:07] <gigaherz> "Dim var as type"

L1297[13:43:09] <Lymia> I'd have complained more if it was prefix with the rest of the language design.

L1298[13:43:27] <gigaherz> and in fact it never really bothered me in pascal itself

L1299[13:43:30] <gigaherz> var

L1300[13:43:34] <gigaherz> name : type;

L1301[13:43:37] <williewillus> maybe later, I'll do this since it's my own fun time lol

L1302[13:43:37] <gigaherz> end;

L1303[13:43:39] <gigaherz> or whatever it was

L1304[13:43:53] <gigaherz> i just don't like it anymore

L1305[13:43:53] <fry> yes, postfix really fits together with the rest of stuff

L1306[13:44:00] <gigaherz> as in

L1307[13:44:03] <gigaherz> I would never go back to pascal

L1308[13:44:13] <fry> go forward to scala :P

L1309[13:44:16] <gigaherz> I'd be ok with designing langauges that use it

L1310[13:44:19] <MalkContent> o look... last time i downloaded the dev version...

L1311[13:44:23] <gigaherz> but when coding myself

L1312[13:44:23] <MalkContent> smart, malkcontent, smart

L1313[13:44:26] <gigaherz> I prefer prefix typing

L1314[13:44:39] <fry> you'll get over it in like a day, gigaherz :P

L1315[13:44:41] <gigaherz> MalkContent: no need for dev versions anymore

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L1317[13:44:46] <gigaherz> runtime deobf does that for you

L1318[13:44:54] <gigaherz> you can forget dev versions exist

L1319[13:44:55] <gigaherz> ;P

L1320[13:45:09] <Lymia> I think I'd complain if I saw postfix where it /didn't/ belong, though.

L1321[13:45:14] <gigaherz> (unless you need to do something with 1.7.10, in which case it will annoy the heck out of you, but that's a good thing IMO)

L1322[13:45:21] <gigaherz> Lymia:

L1323[13:45:25] <gigaherz> func name(args): type

L1324[13:45:32] <Lymia> Like, if the grammar was variableDeclaration := "var" IDENTIFIER ":" TYPE ...

L1325[13:45:32] <gigaherz> var name: type

L1326[13:45:35] <MalkContent> :o

L1327[13:45:45] <Lymia> With no "val" or optional type annotations.

L1328[13:45:56] <gigaherz> var a : int = 1

L1329[13:46:29] <fry> var a = 1 works

L1330[13:46:39] <gigaherz> here's the reson why I don't like having the types at the end:

L1331[13:46:40] <gigaherz> we don't do

L1332[13:46:46] <gigaherz> func(a,b) -> var

L1333[13:46:48] <gigaherz> we do

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L1335[13:46:50] <fry> def func(a: Int) = 1.3 works too

L1336[13:46:53] <gigaherz> var = func(args)

L1337[13:46:53] <gigaherz> so

L1338[13:47:00] <gigaherz> the type fits at the beginning

L1339[13:47:06] <fry> it really doesn't

L1340[13:47:07] <gigaherz> type <- name ( args)

L1341[13:47:46] <gigaherz> it matches the order of the statement that way

L1342[13:47:51] <fry> look up java grammar, and scala grammar, and compare their sizes :P

L1343[13:48:01] <gigaherz> I'm not saying it's better for the compiler

L1344[13:48:17] <fry> you keep the grammar in your head, implicitly

L1345[13:48:37] <Lymia> Isn't Scala grammar pretty big

L1346[13:48:41] <fry> nope

L1347[13:48:43] <fry> quite small

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L1349[13:48:59] <gigaherz> any complete programming language is relatively large

L1350[13:49:02] <Lymia> I'm not sure how you even express stuff like the optional semicolon rules as a BNF grammar

L1351[13:49:14] <fry> gigaherz: more reason to choose smaller ones

L1352[13:49:14] <Lymia> Lua's grammar is actually very small.

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L1354[13:49:16] <diesieben07> i doubt your brain works on compiler grammers :O

L1355[13:49:23] <gigaherz> sentence_terminator ::= eol | ';'

L1356[13:49:26] <Lymia> And it's mostly missing a decent standard library.

L1357[13:49:33] <Lymia> Not any core language omissions.

L1358[13:49:49] <fry> someday I'll learn lua

L1359[13:49:52] <fry> but not today :P

L1360[13:49:53] <diesieben07> lol

L1361[13:49:54] <diesieben07> dont.

L1362[13:50:04] <gigaherz> I used NASAL script once

L1363[13:50:06] <gigaherz> it was nice enough

L1364[13:50:09] <Lymia> You learn Lua because you want to use it as an embedded scripting language for a project you're making.

L1365[13:50:15] <Lymia> Not because you want to learn Lua.

L1366[13:50:23] <fry> don't use it then

L1367[13:50:31] <fry> there are plenty more fun embedded languages :P

L1368[13:50:38] <fry> like, you know, lisp :P

L1369[13:50:48] <Lymia> It's a good language, as far as dynamic languages go. And very very good considering how small the runtime is, and how embedable it is

L1370[13:51:12] <fry> writing a lisp interpretes will be super fun

L1371[13:51:15] <Lymia> But... not something you'd use otherwise, primarily because its standard library is basically nonexistent.

L1372[13:51:16] <fry> *interpreter

L1373[13:51:31] <fry> that I plan to do someday too :P

L1374[13:51:42] <gigaherz> list ::= '(' element (' ' element)* ')'

L1375[13:51:43] <gigaherz> done

L1376[13:51:55] <fry> (I kinda did, while watching SICP, but I need more practical example)

L1377[13:52:01] <fry> gigaherz: interpreter

L1378[13:52:06] <fry> not grammar

L1379[13:52:09] <gigaherz> ah right

L1380[13:52:17] <gigaherz> you'd need all the semantic stuff

L1381[13:52:24] <fry> also, there's a bit more to it :P

L1382[13:52:35] <gigaherz> sure

L1383[13:52:42] <gigaherz> you need to define what "element" can be ;P

L1384[13:52:47] <gigaherz> the rest can be semantic

L1385[13:53:25] <Lymia> Don't you also need something for, uh.

L1386[13:53:30] <gigaherz> lisp parsers are probably more complex

L1387[13:53:31] <gigaherz> but really

L1388[13:53:33] <Lymia> The two types of quotes you use in metaprogramming

L1389[13:53:40] <Lymia> '() or whatever.

L1390[13:53:40] <gigaherz> it can all be done

L1391[13:53:54] <gigaherz> just by parsing "identifier", "literal", "symbol" (operator)

L1392[13:53:58] <fry> '(...) is sugar for (quote ...) :P

L1393[13:54:12] <gigaherz> and building a syntax tree as an actual N-tree

L1394[13:54:24] <fry> we all know the theory

L1395[13:54:29] <Lymia> Scala calls it reify and splice, I think?

L1396[13:54:33] <Lymia> I don't mess with macros often.

L1397[13:54:38] <fry> (at least the people who are talking, I hope)

L1398[13:54:45] <fry> actually doing it holds value too :P

L1399[13:54:45] <gigaherz> I don't, I'm making it up on the spot

L1400[13:54:46] <gigaherz> XD

L1401[13:54:57] <gigaherz> I roughly know what lisp looks like

L1402[13:55:14] <fry> and you roughly know what grammars are and how they operate, that's enough

L1403[13:55:28] <MalkContent> can you display item damage and id in jei?

L1404[13:56:25] <MalkContent> nvm. that's a waila thing

L1405[13:56:57] <Girafi> It's not a Waila thing I can tell you that much.

L1406[13:57:25] <Lymia> we have a jei now??

L1407[13:57:32] <Lymia> ??????

L1408[13:57:35] <Lymia> ok

L1409[13:57:46] <diesieben07> yes becuase NEI is a pile of crap :D

L1410[13:57:48] * diesieben07 hides

L1411[13:58:06] <Lymia> A clone of a clone. :D

L1412[13:58:12] <fry> s/crap/ASM/

L1413[13:58:17] <diesieben07> yep :D

L1414[13:58:21] <Lymia> Did NEI suffer creator abandonment or something.

L1415[13:58:25] <Girafi> Neither one if really a clone. Similiar mods, yes.

L1416[13:58:28] <gigaherz> Lymia: there's a main difference

L1417[13:58:35] <gigaherz> JEI drops all but the recipe browsing

L1418[13:58:37] <gigaherz> all those thigns on theleft

L1419[13:58:40] <Girafi> Chicken Bones is busy with getting an education :p

L1420[13:58:40] <gigaherz> for changing day/night

L1421[13:58:43] <gigaherz> switching to creative

L1422[13:58:47] <gigaherz> those don't exist

L1423[13:58:52] <Lymia> And would let another mod handle that?

L1424[13:58:53] <Lymia> I approve.

L1425[13:58:55] <gigaherz> yup

L1426[13:59:09] <gigaherz> it works exclusively with blocks/tems and their recipes

L1427[13:59:09] <Lymia> <Girafi> Neither one if really a clone. Similiar mods, yes.

L1428[13:59:13] <Lymia> Close enough.

L1429[13:59:23] <OrionOnline> What does the Container#setSlot method return?

L1430[13:59:25] <Lymia> I don't mean it derisively.

L1431[13:59:29] <Girafi> Clone is just used as a negative word these days, that's why I said it.

L1432[13:59:32] <OrionOnline> I know it is an ItemStack, but what is it good for?

L1433[13:59:35] <Lymia> If nobody ever cloned things, we'd have too many authors stuck in their ways, and no better replacements.

L1434[14:00:01] <Lymia> *cough Eloraam cough*

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L1436[14:01:07] <gigaherz> that's the beauty of a world free of true software patents

L1437[14:01:24] <gigaherz> now imagine if mod ideas were patentable...

L1438[14:02:06] <fry> they probably are

L1439[14:02:11] <OrionOnline> So any ideas?

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L1442[14:02:21] <Lymia> They are if there's no prior art.

L1443[14:02:21] <OrionOnline> What does Container#slotClick do?

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L1445[14:03:05] <MalkContent> yea. all clicking that in waila gave me was that everything had an extra <unimplemented> line

L1446[14:03:17] <gigaherz> OrionOnline: check the implementation?

L1447[14:03:20] <MalkContent> I spoketh too soon

L1448[14:03:21] <gigaherz> we'd have to do the same

L1449[14:03:28] <gigaherz> look at the code, understand, then explain to you

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L1451[14:03:37] <gigaherz> so you could just check yourself instead? ;P

L1452[14:03:45] <RockoBonaparte> Is there some way I can keep the server from completely overwriting level.dat on world creation? I am trying to carry forward a block ID mapping but the server smashes it all.

L1453[14:03:58] <Lymia> Girafi, I'd personally actually go further than that.

L1454[14:04:20] <Lymia> Cloning is good because it's one of the few ways to overthrow an... unpleasant or otherwise undesirable mod author.

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L1456[14:04:44] <gigaherz> the only reason cloning has a bad connotation

L1457[14:04:57] <gigaherz> is the 10249516451 "minesomethings" and "craftsomethings" in the mobile stores

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L1459[14:05:39] <Lymia> I think people who aren't creators tend to overrate "creativity' and underrate execution.

L1460[14:05:45] <Lymia> content creators*

L1461[14:06:07] <Techfoxis> Is it bad or good that I feel so accomplished, when I knew that I had to change to compiler compliance level to fix an error without looking it up?

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L1463[14:06:26] <Lymia> Congratulations.

L1464[14:06:29] <Lymia> You can read error messages.

L1465[14:06:39] <OrionOnline> gigaherz, figured it out

L1466[14:07:00] <Techfoxis> So, I guess it's more of a bad thing. ;(

L1467[14:07:01] <Lymia> GregTech, I'm pretty sure, was a relatively 'creative' idea when it was first made. It's also a terrible one.

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L1469[14:07:15] <Lymia> (It's a step on the right path~)

L1470[14:08:11] <Sollux-Captor> the thing that frustrates me the most is all of the lucky block clones

L1471[14:08:20] <Sollux-Captor> oooohhhh how it boils my skin

L1472[14:08:25] <Sollux-Captor> soo annoyinh

L1473[14:09:16] <tterrag> how many are there?

L1474[14:09:19] <tterrag> I only know of one

L1475[14:09:23] <tterrag> and it's far better :P

L1476[14:09:33] <Sollux-Captor> i know like 500 copies of that mod

L1477[14:09:43] <Sollux-Captor> friken there is even a christmas lucky block mod

L1478[14:09:45] <Sollux-Captor> rainbow

L1479[14:09:47] <Sollux-Captor> iron

L1480[14:09:48] <Sollux-Captor> emerald

L1481[14:09:49] <Sollux-Captor> gold

L1482[14:09:51] <Lymia> I don't mind it.

L1483[14:09:52] <Sollux-Captor> you name it

L1484[14:09:55] <tterrag> aren't those just addons?

L1485[14:09:59] <Sollux-Captor> there is a lucky blocks mod of it

L1486[14:10:00] <Lymia> It's a simple mod to modify, and a good way for someone to learn basic modding.

L1487[14:10:06] <Lymia> As long as they don't think it's an amazing new thing.

L1488[14:10:35] <tterrag> ChanceCubes is best anyways :P

L1489[14:11:02] <Lymia> As a game designer, I'm really not sure what lucky blocks are meant to do.

L1490[14:11:16] <Lymia> What game modes are they designed for? Survival? Minigames?

L1491[14:11:26] <Lymia> That might decide what kind of events you actually want.

L1492[14:11:30] <Sollux-Captor> i dont know, i just dont really like it when people copy that god forsaken mod

L1493[14:11:51] <Sollux-Captor> survival, but they are OP as hell

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L1496[14:12:27] <tterrag> chancecubes is config based unlike luckyblocks which is hardcoded

L1497[14:12:35] <tterrag> so you can change/disable all the rewards

L1498[14:12:42] <tterrag> also it's mainly targeted at streamers I think

L1499[14:12:44] <Sollux-Captor> chance cubes isnt that bad

L1500[14:12:51] <Lymia> Eh. Make one that adds Lua scripting for Lucky Blocks.

L1501[14:12:58] <Lymia> Make a web service where people can submit their own events.

L1502[14:13:02] <Lymia> Upvoting and downvoting happen.

L1503[14:13:04] <Sollux-Captor> luckycomputers

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L1513[14:35:20] <Ratys> Ohhh boy the anger, it is real. After I restarted Eclipse things SUDDENLY work as intended; no code changes, json files are intact, folder structure is the same, project setup is the same

L1514[14:36:16] <Ratys> And it only took me some 5 hours to try that.

L1515[14:36:52] <Lymia> \o/

L1516[14:37:02] <Lymia> This is one of many reasons I don't use Eclipse.

L1517[14:38:53] <Ratys> Eh, I'm not biased towards one IDE or another. Tried many, each have their drawbacks... Perhaps the one I liked the most was Visual Studio, and even that is partially because I'd take C# over most languages

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L1520[14:43:15] <Lymia> Eclipse... eh... does a lot of strange things sometimes.

L1521[14:44:33] <gigaherz> Ratys: feel free to try IntelliJ IDEA

L1522[14:45:18] <gigaherz> I have bad memories of eclipse being slow and laggy

L1523[14:45:33] <gigaherz> so I just went straight for IDEA when I resumed modding last year

L1524[14:46:17] <Ratys> My machine's powerful enough to not worry about that, but I'll keep it in mind

L1525[14:47:38] <gigaherz> ah no it's not about that anymore

L1526[14:47:41] <gigaherz> it's simply a nicer IDE

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L1529[14:56:34] <Lordmau5> hey, are there any speedrunners / speedrunning interested people in here? :D

L1530[14:56:45] <Sollux-Captor> ye

L1531[14:56:49] <Sollux-Captor> why

L1532[14:57:03] <Lordmau5> I just got 2nd place on some game's leaderboard

L1533[14:57:10] <Lordmau5> the game involves some pretty heavy RNG, so yea...

L1534[14:57:21] <Sollux-Captor> wow

L1535[14:57:23] <Sollux-Captor> nice

L1536[14:57:25] <Lordmau5> If someone's interested, the run contains so much luck as well and I'm still shaking :D - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApyLHFrsRAk

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L1538[14:58:48] <Sollux-Captor> im assuming you glitch exploit

L1539[14:59:41] <Flashfire> I need some help deciding how to structure something in my mod

L1540[15:00:00] <Lordmau5> technically, yes

L1541[15:00:37] <Flashfire> I have structures that can generate in any of the 3 vanilla dimensions and I don't know whether to store my properties in WorldSavedData as an array with one index per dimension or putting all in one

L1542[15:01:05] <Flashfire> So when generating it would check for the spawn pos of all structures regardless of dimension

L1543[15:01:28] <Flashfire> Does anyone know which is more efficient?

L1544[15:02:13] <Sollux-Captor> nice speed run. you look sound

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L1546[15:04:42] <fry> you hear picture too

L1547[15:05:01] <tterrag> Ratys: always try refresh project

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L1549[15:06:59] <Sollux-Captor> im blanking, what does it mean again if you declare a variable with a body? doesnt that mean that it will just set some extra values to that variable?

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L1551[15:07:08] <tterrag> Sollux-Captor: what?

L1552[15:07:11] <tterrag> "with a body" ?

L1553[15:07:16] <tterrag> you mean an anon class?

L1554[15:07:36] <Sollux-Captor> im blanking as what it means to do this http://i.imgur.com/WPwqDb1.png

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L1557[15:08:13] <tterrag> that does nothing

L1558[15:08:20] <tterrag> you've just scoped the second line inside braces

L1559[15:08:44] <Sollux-Captor> .-. i dont know what im doing with my life anymore

L1560[15:08:59] <Sollux-Captor> i think im just thinking of something totaly different

L1561[15:09:14] <tterrag> remove those braces and nothing changes

L1562[15:09:15] <tterrag> try it

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L1564[15:09:34] <Sollux-Captor> i removed it and i get errors

L1565[15:09:45] <tterrag> why

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L1567[15:10:17] <Sollux-Captor> http://i.imgur.com/trtARvS.png

L1568[15:10:18] <diesieben07> sounds like you have this code outside a method

L1569[15:10:22] <diesieben07> jsut inside the class body

L1570[15:10:28] <Sollux-Captor> uh yes

L1571[15:10:32] <diesieben07> you can't just write code there...

L1572[15:10:38] <diesieben07> as in executable statemetns

L1573[15:10:50] <diesieben07> #learnjava

L1574[15:10:50] <Sollux-Captor> my brain is slowly dieing :T

L1575[15:11:06] <tterrag> not sure why adding the braces would remove that error though

L1576[15:11:11] <tterrag> unless you did static{}

L1577[15:11:19] <Sollux-Captor> no it isnt static

L1578[15:11:19] <diesieben07> its an instance initializer

L1579[15:11:22] <diesieben07> runs before any constructor

L1580[15:11:36] <tterrag> diesieben07: no? there is a semicolon

L1581[15:11:42] <tterrag> those braces are completely separate from the instantiation

L1582[15:11:49] <diesieben07> i know

L1583[15:12:00] <diesieben07> { } inside a class body is an instance initializer

L1584[15:12:07] <diesieben07> it runs when your class is instantiated

L1585[15:12:08] <tterrag> oh really

L1586[15:12:12] <diesieben07> yes

L1587[15:12:15] <tterrag> hm

L1588[15:12:16] <tterrag> ok then

L1589[15:12:18] <diesieben07> nobody uses it, but it exists

L1590[15:12:20] <tterrag> it's still not what he wanted :P

L1591[15:12:24] <diesieben07> true.

L1592[15:12:47] <Sollux-Captor> ive just made soo many mistakes that i really shouldnt have in the past few hours. i think it is time for a break

L1593[15:13:11] <tterrag> why not just new MaterialFactory(...).setRequiredTool(...)

L1594[15:13:13] <tterrag> it should chain

L1595[15:13:29] <smbarbour> If you put the java file on gist, someone might see where the issue actually is.

L1596[15:13:33] <Sollux-Captor> i feel like i tried that

L1597[15:13:40] <Sollux-Captor> and i dont remember why i removed it

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L1601[15:15:14] <Sollux-Captor> maybe im looking at this at the wrong perspective but ive been trying crazy work arrounds to get through the private and protected fields

L1602[15:15:30] <Sollux-Captor> like reflection

L1603[15:16:58] <Thutmose> cpw: if you are not too busy, any word on https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/2337 ?

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L1605[15:18:18] <Sollux-Captor> ok i guess my problem is, can i not have the attributes canBurn and requiresNoTool on one block

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L1608[15:21:12] <killjoy> Sollux-Captor, look at ReflectionHelper

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L1612[15:22:39] <Sollux-Captor> well no it isnt that

L1613[15:23:15] <Sollux-Captor> like, i want to set more than one property to a material

L1614[15:23:32] <Techfoxis> Hey, I'm having trouble with the GUI Config, updates. I'm not getting updated when the config changes.

L1615[15:23:32] <Sollux-Captor> other than just setRequiresTool() and what not.

L1616[15:23:45] <Sollux-Captor> like a material has setRequiresTool()

L1617[15:23:51] <Sollux-Captor> and setBurn()

L1618[15:24:10] <Sollux-Captor> setBurning()*

L1619[15:25:30] <Sollux-Captor> do i just need to write out each individual line for a material? material mat = new material(MapColor); then mat.setRequiresTool(); mat.setBurning() ?

L1620[15:25:46] <Sollux-Captor> this is why im thinking that im looking at this in the wrong perspective

L1621[15:25:59] <williewillus> if it returns Material

L1622[15:26:01] <williewillus> then you can just chain it

L1623[15:26:17] <Sollux-Captor> it wont let me chain it

L1624[15:26:23] <williewillus> then you have to do it one by one

L1625[15:26:56] <Sollux-Captor> sounds fun :/

L1626[15:28:03] <Sollux-Captor> and it does return Material

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L1628[15:29:55] <williewillus> then you can chain it

L1629[15:30:05] <Sollux-Captor> but it doesnt let me

L1630[15:30:07] <williewillus> describe "won't let me"

L1631[15:30:12] <williewillus> that doens't tell me or you anything

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L1633[15:30:24] <Sollux-Captor> it gives me an error when i try to chain it

L1634[15:30:54] <williewillus> what error

L1635[15:31:55] <Sollux-Captor> that the method is not visible

L1636[15:32:04] <Sollux-Captor> in a class that extends Material

L1637[15:32:11] <williewillus> because they're all protected

L1638[15:32:51] <williewillus> make a subclass or something I guess

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L1640[15:34:15] <Sollux-Captor> can i make my own methods the utilize reflection then return the material object i used for reflection?

L1641[15:34:30] <williewillus> why would you do that :P

L1642[15:34:56] <williewillus> just subclass it or do the ugly double brace initializer thing

L1643[15:34:56] <Sollux-Captor> because ive been at it for a while and my mind doesnt know how to function anymore :(

L1644[15:35:12] <diesieben07> jesus mercy

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L1647[15:35:15] <diesieben07> this is NOT HARD

L1648[15:35:19] <Sollux-Captor> ill just try subclassing

L1649[15:36:09] <Sollux-Captor> diesieben07, i screwed my self over because i was doing it in a funky way to begin with so i basically have to redo everything

L1650[15:36:16] <williewillus> :P

L1651[15:36:42] <williewillus> you mean your little enum block thing? :P

L1652[15:36:50] <diesieben07> http://i.imgur.com/84NZbfr.png

L1653[15:36:54] <Sollux-Captor> yes, that turned out to be a bad mistake

L1654[15:36:54] <diesieben07> that took ONE MINUTE

L1655[15:36:57] <diesieben07> basic fuckin java.

L1656[15:37:46] <Sollux-Captor> someone is cranky

L1657[15:37:59] <williewillus> new Material() {{ setBurning(); }} ;)

L1658[15:38:08] <diesieben07> just a TINY LITTLE BIT

L1659[15:38:20] <diesieben07> because you've been spammning the channel with this for the 2nd day now

L1660[15:38:38] <Sollux-Captor> it hasnt been spam

L1661[15:38:45] <diesieben07> not at all...

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L1663[15:43:15] <LexManos> !gf field_151170_bI

L1664[15:43:55] <LexManos> !gf field_151103_aS

L1665[15:47:05] <killjoy> looks like mojang's getting a 1.9-pre ready

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L1668[15:48:29] <williewillus> yay another meh release :P

L1669[15:48:43] <killjoy> get ready for 1.9.6

L1670[15:49:16] <williewillus> some of the bugs on the tracker literally have fully tested MCP code fixes but still haven't even been touched for years

L1671[15:49:19] <williewillus> it's irritating sometimes

L1672[15:49:20] <Sollux-Captor> doesn't jeb want the wings to beable to have skins applied to them?

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L1674[15:49:29] <williewillus> that's in already

L1675[15:49:34] <Sollux-Captor> oh

L1676[15:49:36] <Sollux-Captor> nice

L1677[15:50:16] <Girafi> Haven't kept up to date with 1.9 really - is there a way to get the wings yet?

L1678[15:50:24] <williewillus> end cities

L1679[15:50:32] <Girafi> Just.. loot, or?

L1680[15:50:34] <killjoy> end city loot

L1681[15:50:46] <williewillus> yeah, there's one in every ship

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L1683[15:51:47] <Girafi> Well.. I really don't like easy flying in Minecraft, but we'll see how this will be. Only getting to the end and fighting a bit seems a bit easy.

L1684[15:52:03] <williewillus> well it's gliding, you can never exceed the height you staretd at

L1685[15:52:23] <killjoy> think the parachute in tf2

L1686[15:52:28] <Sollux-Captor> they are pretty ballanced

L1687[15:52:28] <Girafi> Ohh, I thought you could :p

L1688[15:52:36] <Sollux-Captor> but going down stairs with them is annoying

L1689[15:52:37] <killjoy> or the glider

L1690[15:52:37] <Girafi> I don't play shitty games :3

L1691[15:52:40] <williewillus> unless you try slime block bouncepads but those are really hard to get right (etho video from a couple weeks back, he would just land on the slime blocks)

L1692[15:52:48] <killjoy> someone made a glider. I don't remember who

L1693[15:52:53] <Girafi> So kinda like Open Blocks hangglider?

L1694[15:52:57] <williewillus> Sollux-Captor: they changed it this snapshot

L1695[15:53:01] <killjoy> yes

L1696[15:53:03] <williewillus> you have to double jump to activate them

L1697[15:53:09] <Sollux-Captor> oh nice

L1698[15:53:46] <Girafi> If it's like the hangglider, then I don't mind it at all ^^

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L1703[16:02:46] <killjoy> daredevil season 2 hype!

L1704[16:02:55] <killjoy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5_A0Wx0jU4

L1705[16:05:10] <DanYeomans> if i wanted to use part of the ender chest texture on one of my models

L1706[16:05:21] <DanYeomans> how would i refer to it in a json file

L1707[16:05:24] <DanYeomans> say, the side of it

L1708[16:05:28] <gigaherz> killjoy :3

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L1710[16:05:48] <gigaherz> DanYeomans: "minecraft:block/ender_chest_bit_whatever_the_name_is"

L1711[16:05:54] <diesieben07> yeah not really

L1712[16:05:59] <williewillus> it's a modelbase texture

L1713[16:06:01] <diesieben07> the ender chest is an old style TESR model

L1714[16:06:03] <diesieben07> yeah that

L1715[16:06:05] <gigaherz> oh

L1716[16:06:07] <williewillus> big ugly texmap

L1717[16:06:08] <gigaherz> yeah good luck then

L1718[16:06:09] <gigaherz> XD

L1719[16:06:18] <gigaherz> i forgot mc chests are purely TESR

L1720[16:06:23] <DanYeomans> yay

L1721[16:06:30] <DanYeomans> -_-

L1722[16:06:42] <DanYeomans> so i guess i'll have to resort to ripping the texture and cutting it

L1723[16:06:45] <williewillus> i think you have to copy it

L1724[16:06:50] <gigaherz> yep

L1725[16:07:00] <DanYeomans> whiich means that it won't look good w/ resource packs lol

L1726[16:07:02] <williewillus> since iirc the vanilla tesr textures aren't square and so can't be stitched (not that that is a good idea either way)

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L1728[16:07:23] <diesieben07> what you could do is do it dynamically

L1729[16:07:36] <diesieben07> make a custom IREsourcePack, have a special resource location that you listen for

L1730[16:07:44] <diesieben07> which gets the ender chest texture and cuts it

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L1732[16:09:15] <DanYeomans> does forge/minecraft provide the means for cutting a texture though?

L1733[16:09:25] <diesieben07> standard java image manipulation

L1734[16:09:30] <DanYeomans> ah okay

L1735[16:09:30] <diesieben07> BufferedImage etc.

L1736[16:09:43] <diesieben07> then in the end write it using ImageIO.write to a ByteArrayOutputStream

L1737[16:09:45] <DanYeomans> i forgot java's standard library was a swiss army knife

L1738[16:09:55] <diesieben07> then return a ByteArrayInputStream around that

L1739[16:10:10] <UnasAquila> I have an odd issus with a gui when I set the Slot yPos > 160 when clicking the items it throws them like pressing q any advise?

L1740[16:10:37] <diesieben07> you have to set xSize and ySize correctly in your GuiContainer constructor

L1741[16:10:45] <diesieben07> they have to match the size of the Gui background

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L1743[16:19:23] <Darva> Hrrm, is there no method on a plain block that gets called when an instance of that block in the world is loaded? (I.e., already placed, load the chunk with that block in it)

L1744[16:20:07] <diesieben07> nope

L1745[16:20:15] <diesieben07> why do you need that?

L1746[16:20:26] <williewillus> that would be a lot of method calls :P

L1747[16:20:30] <diesieben07> yep :D

L1748[16:20:37] <Darva> True. Heh.

L1749[16:21:08] <Darva> I'm doing a pipe-network type thing, and it seemed the easiest way to get pipes registered with the pipe network manager. At least, the non-TE ones.

L1750[16:22:12] <williewillus> how would you even do pipes without a TE?

L1751[16:22:29] <williewillus> i guess if you had just one TE that crawled around looking for pipes

L1752[16:22:39] <williewillus> but either way you need at least one TE

L1753[16:22:42] <Darva> The pipes don't need a TE, only the portion that connect to inventories need a TE, and techically, they don't need it either.

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L1755[16:23:11] <Darva> Right, That's about the only thought i've had, is do an A* from one of the TE's. Literally the only reason i need em. Sad.

L1756[16:24:03] <williewillus> 609k cPs right now xD

L1757[16:24:35] <Lymia> I wonder if you can make the pipes on chunk bounderies different from the normal ones?

L1758[16:24:46] <Lymia> So, like, the ones on the chunk bounderies detect loads, but not others or something?

L1759[16:24:54] <williewillus> that's a lot of special casing :P

L1760[16:25:02] <Lymia> It reduces the TE count.

L1761[16:25:08] <Darva> And it wouldn't help systems set up only inside a single chunk.

L1762[16:25:11] <Lymia> Probably worthwhile special casing.

L1763[16:25:26] <Lymia> True

L1764[16:26:19] <Darva> chunkloading and all of that I haven't started worrying about yet. I'm trying to write it simply enough that it'll take care of itself automatically.

L1765[16:27:34] <williewillus> *sighs*

L1766[16:27:36] <williewillus> https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/45v6vu/azanors_messing_with_some_stuff/d015mvl?context=3

L1767[16:28:21] <Darva> I dunno... I used object pooling on an android app i was working on for particles, and saw a literal 300% fps increase.

L1768[16:28:29] <williewillus> that's because that was mobile

L1769[16:28:43] <williewillus> they took out the AABB and Vec3 pools for a reason

L1770[16:29:18] <Darva> Because they were poorly implemented?

L1771[16:29:55] <williewillus> and because they were unneeded

L1772[16:30:19] <williewillus> the cost of pooling them, checking them out, returning them, etc. was way higher than just allocating and letting GC eat it immediately after

L1773[16:30:30] <diesieben07> object pools are you thinking you are smarter than the GC

L1774[16:30:33] <williewillus> GC in eden is really fast

L1775[16:30:37] <diesieben07> and you are never ever smarter than the GC

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L1777[16:30:51] <diesieben07> unless you are a GC engineer

L1778[16:31:54] <Darva> I see a lot more issues with GC at work than literally anything else, I've spent a few hours teaching co-workers how to track down their stupid mistakes based on assuming the GC would "just handle" it.

L1779[16:32:19] <williewillus> what would even be pooled in MC?

L1780[16:32:36] <diesieben07> well, they used to pool AABB and vec3

L1781[16:32:42] <diesieben07> you could also pool BlockPos i guess

L1782[16:32:48] <williewillus> ugh

L1783[16:32:54] <diesieben07> yeah

L1784[16:32:56] <diesieben07> its not fun

L1785[16:33:09] <Darva> Anything you make more than 10-30 of a second?

L1786[16:33:19] <diesieben07> still nope

L1787[16:33:33] <diesieben07> pretty much any object pool means you are more or less implementing your own GC

L1788[16:33:40] <williewillus> so when I do getBlockState(pos.up()) instead of getting something allocated in eden (or even on the stack) and then immediately getting discarded after I leave the scope, I should check it in and out of a giant pool mechanism

L1789[16:33:56] <Darva> No, you shouldn't. It should do it itself.

L1790[16:34:02] <diesieben07> also with object pools you disable a lot of VM opimizations

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L1792[16:34:10] <williewillus> I don't mean do it *myself*

L1793[16:34:12] <diesieben07> e.g: you call a method with a newly allocated BlockPos

L1794[16:34:18] <diesieben07> the VM inlines that method

L1795[16:34:20] <williewillus> i mean the overhead of doing that vs a new + gc delete is enormous

L1796[16:34:25] <diesieben07> and suddenly it doesnt need to construct the object anymore!

L1797[16:34:41] <diesieben07> with an object pool it has to go all the way across the memory plane to find that object somewhere

L1798[16:34:47] <diesieben07> which introduces tons of cache misses and whatnot

L1799[16:34:56] <diesieben07> so its not as simple as you think :)

L1800[16:35:38] <williewillus> object pooling as i understand should only be used for stuff like threads or io handles

L1801[16:36:06] <diesieben07> yes, thread pooling is a thing

L1802[16:36:07] <Bitterholz> diesieben07, quick question about vt entries in obj files, must they be 1.00000 or just 1 to match the UV bounds

L1803[16:36:24] <diesieben07> why does everyone think i knwo ANYTHING abotu models? :O

L1804[16:36:59] <Bitterholz> you have al these testcases in the debug libary :P

L1805[16:37:09] <Bitterholz> <.<

L1806[16:37:15] <diesieben07> eh what?

L1807[16:37:18] <diesieben07> i didn't write those

L1808[16:37:56] <Bitterholz> uh wait damn my fault

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L1811[16:38:03] <Bitterholz> sry mate XD

L1812[16:38:11] <diesieben07> lol np

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L1814[16:38:49] <Bitterholz> my problem: Model 'conveyortubes:models/block/tube_model.obj' has UVs ('vt') out of bounds 0-1! The missing model will be used instead. Support for UV processing will be added to the OBJ loader in the future.

L1815[16:39:19] <williewillus> ask shade or gigaherz about OBJ stuff :P

L1816[16:39:36] <Bitterholz> Though the File does not contain "vt" entries below 0.000000 or above 1.000000

L1817[16:39:43] <Bitterholz> thanks williewillus will do

L1818[16:39:58] <Bitterholz> gigaherz, you arround sir?

L1819[16:41:48] <Bitterholz> seems i fixed it

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L1822[16:47:52] <PaleoCrafter> Bitterholz, you can also put a breakpoint on the line that throws the exception

L1823[16:48:13] <PaleoCrafter> (Or add a breakpoint for the exception)

L1824[16:48:30] <PaleoCrafter> Then you can see which line is erroring

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L1829[16:56:21] <Diddi> So I wrote an easy-to-use and highly adaptable packet handler for client/server synchronisation and I would like to see it integrated in Forge. Where would be the proper place to do a pull request or something similar?

L1830[16:56:57] <diesieben07> there is already packet handling in forge, so i dont think forge is the right place for it.

L1831[16:57:09] <LexManos> !gm func_72924_a

L1832[16:58:22] <Diddi> yes, forge has it, but the user needs to write the IMessages and that stuff himself. I wrote a piece of code that takes care of the Messages and just puts the data where it belongs

L1833[16:59:29] <diesieben07> wat

L1834[16:59:32] <Diddi> You can take a look at my code here https://github.com/TheUltimateHose/ElementalSpirits/tree/master/src/main/java/theultimatehose/elementalspirits/network It is currently part of my mod but could easily be extracted

L1835[17:00:25] <diesieben07> uhm yeah that is noooot a good idea.

L1836[17:00:35] <Diddi> why?

L1837[17:00:53] <diesieben07> looping through all methods every time you sync? that's expensive.

L1838[17:01:00] <diesieben07> also just ignoring exceptions? please no.

L1839[17:01:30] <PaleoCrafter> And you're sending a message for every method individually

L1840[17:03:13] <PaleoCrafter> It's also hardcoded to int/string/boolean arrays, I wouldn't call that 'adaptable'

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L1842[17:03:36] <Diddi> yes, but you could easily add other datatypes that way

L1843[17:04:24] <diesieben07> in any way, this is not something that forge does.

L1844[17:05:02] <gigaherz> if oyu have an inefficient system that magically syncs your stuff, people will favor it over doing the more efficient method that just takes a few minutes to implement

L1845[17:05:16] <gigaherz> and then when the combination of all mods slows down the network, people will complain to forge

L1846[17:06:17] <Diddi> well that are the points I didn't really thought about. I thought it may be a good thing because it is very user friendly as it 'only' requires two annotations and one method to be used. Well I guess it then just remains in my mod and i'll be happy with it...

L1847[17:07:20] <diesieben07> please do nto release the mod with that feature in...

L1848[17:07:43] <diesieben07> unless you fix it.

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L1850[17:08:06] <Diddi> does it really has such a large performance impact if one mod does that?

L1851[17:08:22] <diesieben07> it's horrible code either way.

L1852[17:08:29] <SkySom> That's quite the bystander affect.

L1853[17:08:39] <SkySom> "Well someone else will be performance minded"

L1854[17:08:43] <SkySom> "So I don't have to"

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L1856[17:09:43] <gigaherz> yeh -- "why the F did no one call 911?" "we all sorta thought someone else would"

L1857[17:10:37] <Diddi> well then i'll go and fix it.

L1858[17:11:04] <gigaherz> it may be best if you design it as being a lib, rather than something that should go into forge

L1859[17:11:18] <PaleoCrafter> "Nah, because it ain't 911 in this country" :P

L1860[17:11:38] <gigaherz> doesn't most countries in the world redirect 911 to their local emergency lines?

L1861[17:11:43] <gigaherz> don't*

L1862[17:11:57] <gigaherz> it's 112 around here, and... 999 in the uk?

L1863[17:11:59] <PaleoCrafter> I've got no clue

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L1871[17:24:03] <smbarbour> Nah, in the UK it's now 0118 999 881 999 119 7253 :P

L1872[17:25:49] <VikeStep> just found a 15GB IIS log file in my temp folder

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L1874[17:25:59] <diesieben07> yay IIS

L1875[17:26:32] <VikeStep> it is both a blessing and a curse

L1876[17:26:51] <diesieben07> how is it a blessing?

L1877[17:27:29] <VikeStep> I can use it to develop web stuff locally without deploying it each time

L1878[17:27:30] <smbarbour> Blessing that there IS in fact a log. Curse that it's 15GB of log to sift through

L1879[17:27:45] <VikeStep> I meant IIS is a blessing and a curse

L1880[17:28:04] <VikeStep> IIS Express in particular is what is causing the log :P

L1881[17:28:14] <diesieben07> i mean how is IIS a blessing compared to other web servers

L1882[17:28:57] <VikeStep> it's what Visual Studio uses

L1883[17:29:06] <VikeStep> for running web apps locally

L1884[17:29:07] <smbarbour> Sometimes I forget that some people are still running servers running Windows. Those are happy days.

L1885[17:29:26] <VikeStep> smbarbour, yep, all the servers at work use Windows Server

L1886[17:30:00] * Darva is happy to have 0 windows servers at work

L1887[17:30:04] <smbarbour> Here, only Active Directory is running on Windows. Everything else is Linux (especially everything exposed to the internet)

L1888[17:30:35] <VikeStep> I will say though, the reason we have windows servers is because we use Azure for stuff

L1889[17:30:56] <smbarbour> The IT staff, with the exception of the internal helpdesk, are also non-Windows users.

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L1891[17:31:18] <VikeStep> my boss worked at Microsoft for 9 years

L1892[17:31:26] <MalkContent> hmm. does someone here know how redstone propagation works?

L1893[17:31:50] <smbarbour> That sounds more like you use Azure because you're running Windows servers

L1894[17:32:23] <VikeStep> smbarbour, nope, other way around

L1895[17:32:35] <MalkContent> having a bit of trouble to emulate that and i'm not having a smart day :|

L1896[17:32:40] <VikeStep> azure sets up the windows servers for us

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L1906[17:56:15] <gigaherz> hmmm

L1907[17:56:33] <gigaherz> was there some other mod that does like NEIs (or whatever) F7 thing and shows spawnable locations?

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L1909[17:59:07] <Darva> just what i need, or what i need, or something like that.

L1910[17:59:35] <Darva> I'm assuming you meant for 1.8.9

L1911[17:59:38] <gigaherz> I found this one -- http://www.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/226670-light-level-overlay-reloaded

L1912[17:59:39] <gigaherz> yeah

L1913[18:00:21] <gigaherz> but I think that one only shows green/red, doesn't tell you when things are spawnable only at night

L1914[18:00:27] <Darva> jwin does the light level thing, and the f9 chunk border thing, but it also does some other stuff.

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L1916[18:04:17] <Darva> It's amazing how much i will procrastinate to avoid writing simple, but boring code.

L1917[18:04:19] <TehNut> JWIN is extremely laggy, though

L1918[18:04:24] <TehNut> Zyin's HUD is almost no lag

L1919[18:05:17] <Darva> Really? I haven't noticed any lag at all on my 1.8.9 instance. It's not huge, only about 30 mods, but my computer is barely more than a potato.

L1920[18:05:43] <TehNut> I drop from a constant 250 FPS to <60 when it's enabled

L1921[18:05:51] <thecodewarrior> Is it a baked potato? If so just adding some bacon bits should speed it up.

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L1923[18:06:12] <gigaherz> no, a poisonous one

L1924[18:06:42] <gigaherz> I always owndered where the mc poisonous potato came from

L1925[18:07:10] <gigaherz> my dad used to plant potatoes irl, and I never heard of any "chance" of them growing to be poisonous XD

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L1928[18:07:54] <thecodewarrior> That's because the people who find out that they are poisonous don't survive long enough to tell anyone.

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L1930[18:08:45] <thecodewarrior> Just wondering, does anyone even use @Nullable/@NotNull? Is it worth the extra 10 seconds when defining methods? I feel like it would make my code a lot more clear.

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L1932[18:09:01] <diesieben07> i use it

L1933[18:09:03] <gigaherz> ah apparently it's related with them being green...

L1934[18:09:12] <gigaherz> thecodewarrior: only for api-like things

L1935[18:09:42] <gigaherz> anything where others may not know all the preconditions I "just know" ;P

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L1937[18:10:14] <TehNut> I use it when I remember

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L1939[18:10:43] <thecodewarrior> Ok, I'm thinking of using them for abstract methods or methods for child classes to optionally implement.

L1940[18:10:48] <Darva> It's purely a compile time thing, so mainly if you think you'll forget.

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L1942[18:12:39] <diesieben07> intellij actually generates runtime checks

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L1945[18:16:31] <Darva> Hurray for IDE dependent runtime performance? How is that a good thing?

L1946[18:17:03] <diesieben07> what does taht have to do with performance?

L1947[18:17:30] <Darva> Perhaps not the right word. Behavior is what i was looking for.

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L1949[18:18:07] <diesieben07> its safety checks

L1950[18:18:11] <diesieben07> they should never ever execute

L1951[18:18:35] <Darva> So why are they there?

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L1953[18:19:08] <diesieben07> to catch bugs

L1954[18:20:36] <Darva> I'm still deeply bothered by the idea of my IDE adding code i can't inspect to an artifact.

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L1957[18:22:49] <diesieben07> go ahead and disable it then...

L1958[18:23:40] <gigaherz> it doesn't actually add them TO the jars does it?

L1959[18:23:52] <gigaherz> I'd assume only while debugging in the IDE?

L1960[18:23:58] <Lymia> Something like that'd be helpful in scalac.

L1961[18:24:18] <Lymia> But I guess some people don't have good code styles and use nulls when they shouldn't.

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L1965[18:29:53] <williewillus> gigaherz: no, because gradle builds jars not idea :P

L1966[18:30:25] <gigaherz> yeah but when you use run/debug, then idea does

L1967[18:30:26] <gigaherz> ;P

L1968[18:30:30] <gigaherz> I mean idea runs the code

L1969[18:30:50] <Darva> Or build->build artifacts for a non-MC application.

L1970[18:31:42] <Techfoxis> How does one set a IntegerProperty for a block?

L1971[18:31:49] <diesieben07> eh, should still use something like gradle for that

L1972[18:31:55] <williewillus> what do you mean set an IntegerProperty?

L1973[18:32:12] <Techfoxis> I have one created, but how do I change it's value.

L1974[18:32:23] <williewillus> you don't change the value of a property

L1975[18:32:35] <gigaherz> Techfoxis: world.setBlockState(pos, state.withProperty(NAME, value))

L1976[18:32:43] <williewillus> IBlockState.withProperty(MyIntProp, intValue)

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L1978[18:34:05] <Techfoxis> Thanks

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L1983[18:49:36] <Techfoxis> Cannot set property PropertyInteger{name=bonemealconsumed, clazz=class java.lang.Integer, values=[0...24]} to 25 on block flowerpatch:flos_culmus, it is not an allowed value

L1984[18:49:48] <Techfoxis> Can someone explain that?

L1985[18:50:23] <diesieben07> the property says values 0-24 are valid

L1986[18:50:27] <diesieben07> you tried to set it to 25.

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L1988[18:50:45] <diesieben07> also... i doubt that will work, you cannot have more than 16 distinct states unless they are not stored in metadata

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L1990[18:51:22] <williewillus> ^

L1991[18:51:26] <Techfoxis> I thought that each property counts as a state?

L1992[18:52:22] <Techfoxis> I have a PropertyInteger that I'm trying to increment by one.

L1993[18:52:30] <gigaherz> well

L1994[18:52:33] <gigaherz> you can change them

L1995[18:52:43] <gigaherz> but unless you convert to metadata, or store in a TileEntity

L1996[18:52:48] <williewillus> yes, but you still only get 16 meta values

L1997[18:52:50] <gigaherz> it will get lost after reloading the chunk

L1998[18:52:58] <williewillus> how are you going to stuff 0-24 into 0-15?

L1999[18:53:05] <diesieben07> world.setBlockState will NOT actualyl remember the blockstate

L2000[18:53:08] <diesieben07> it iwll convert to metadata

L2001[18:53:13] <diesieben07> and remember whatever that returns

L2002[18:53:18] <gigaherz> diesieben07: really?

L2003[18:53:21] <williewillus> yes

L2004[18:53:22] <diesieben07> yep

L2005[18:53:25] <gigaherz> I thought mc worked with IBlockStates in memory

L2006[18:53:26] <williewillus> it's a thin veil in 1.8

L2007[18:53:31] <gigaherz> and only used meta for network/storage

L2008[18:53:37] <williewillus> once it passes into a chunk object it's all meta

L2009[18:53:43] <diesieben07> in the chunk it's a giant char[]

L2010[18:53:56] <gigaherz> ah I thought that was only used for network/storage

L2011[18:53:59] * gigaherz shrugs

L2012[18:54:14] <Darva> I'm a little worried about the performance of doing a flood fill on a pipe network every time i have to split a network, but i can't come up with any other sane way to do it.

L2013[18:54:20] <williewillus> hopefully we get what you talked about soon (auto-assigned state ID's out of a combined pool)

L2014[18:54:22] <gigaherz> hmmm

L2015[18:54:36] <gigaherz> I wonder why "rotating" the iron chests behaved that way, then

L2016[18:54:48] <williewillus> what do you mean?

L2017[18:54:51] <gigaherz> when I wrote my packing tape mod

L2018[18:54:55] <Techfoxis> Hmm... I was trying to avoid using a TE, but I guess I'll have to.

L2019[18:55:01] <gigaherz> I tried it on the iron chests mod chests

L2020[18:55:03] <gigaherz> and

L2021[18:55:12] <gigaherz> I was ableto change the FACING state

L2022[18:55:19] <gigaherz> which is not saved to metadata (it uses TE for the facing)

L2023[18:55:27] <gigaherz> but the chest DID keep the rotation state

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L2025[18:55:30] <gigaherz> maybe it was client-only

L2026[18:55:41] <williewillus> probably

L2027[18:55:50] <williewillus> info from getActualState is lost pretty quickly

L2028[18:56:04] <gigaherz> well it was keeping it until I reloaded the save

L2029[18:56:05] <gigaherz> XD

L2030[18:56:13] <Darva> It could also be passed to the rendering stuff in an extended property couldn't it?

L2031[18:56:16] <gigaherz> (I didn't try changing dimensions though)

L2032[18:56:23] <gigaherz> Darva: yep

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L2034[18:56:34] <Darva> I know extended properties are what i'm using to make my pipes work.

L2035[18:56:38] <gigaherz> getActualState is pretty much only used for getExtendedState (client only rendering), and isSideSolid

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L2037[18:57:43] <williewillus> thats strange though, calling setBlockState almost immediately converts it to meta (it calls chunk.setBlockState which turns it into meta and writes it) so idk how you got that to persist

L2038[18:58:55] <williewillus> I can't find any good optimization proofs for cookie clicker :<

L2039[18:59:07] <williewillus> its kinda fun to see math applied to silly things like cc

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L2041[19:01:58] <gigaherz> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4020

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L2045[19:16:40] <thecodewarrior> As opposed to me just grinding out a bunch of rotations, is there anything existing where I can say "with north actually pointing east, what direction is west actually pointing" and vice versa?

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L2047[19:17:49] <gigaherz> thecodewarrior: that question has 4 answers ;P

L2048[19:18:03] <gigaherz> (assuming only 90degree rotations are allowed)

L2049[19:18:07] <thecodewarrior> yes

L2050[19:18:15] <thecodewarrior> and only horizontal rotations

L2051[19:18:19] <gigaherz> and no I don't know of anything existing for that

L2052[19:18:37] <thecodewarrior> Ok. on to grinding. :P

L2053[19:18:43] <gigaherz> if you only have horizontal rotations, then it's simple

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L2055[19:19:29] <thecodewarrior> with modulus? I just realized that.

L2056[19:19:31] <gigaherz> if you have something like { NORTH, EAST, SOUTH, WEST }, then rotating 90deg clockwise, means moving to the right by 1

L2057[19:19:46] <thecodewarrior> :) So simple now!

L2058[19:19:46] <williewillus> uh doesnt enumfacing have rotate methods

L2059[19:19:52] <tterrag|away> so do rotateAroundY

L2060[19:20:00] <tterrag|away> williewillus: yeah but it's annoyingly missing a bunch

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L2063[19:20:12] <gigaherz> ah there's something for it in EnumFacing?

L2064[19:20:13] <williewillus> enureally?

L2065[19:20:24] <williewillus> *really?

L2066[19:20:31] <williewillus> I see enumfacing.rotateAround(EnumFacing.Axis)

L2067[19:20:38] <masa> it doesn't have left or right hand rotations

L2068[19:20:46] <tterrag> it's missing all the CCW methods yeah

L2069[19:21:09] <masa> the rotations are always clock-wise around the (positive?) axis, it doesn't care about axis direction

L2070[19:22:11] <masa> more random utility methods in each mod to do basic rotations, yay for mojang code

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L2072[19:22:59] <williewillus> it mightve gotten stripepd, you never know :P

L2073[19:23:15] <masa> hmm

L2074[19:24:11] <masa> compilation/decompilation shouldn't change what methods do though, right?

L2075[19:24:30] <williewillus> their obfsucator strips stuff out

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L2077[19:24:42] <williewillus> anyways, what did setRenderPassModel do in 1.7?

L2078[19:24:43] <masa> I eman even if the ccw rotation code was never used in vanilla, it wouldn't get stripped from a single method?

L2079[19:25:18] <diesieben07> mojang doesn't just compile

L2080[19:25:22] <diesieben07> they have an obfuscator

L2081[19:26:03] <thecodewarrior> Closest thing is rotateYCCW()

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L2088[19:50:05] <thecodewarrior> The craziest thing is when you spend hours making wide sweeping changes, and then everything just works. (I haven't finished my wide sweeping changes, but my hope is that it will work)

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L2090[19:50:59] <gigaherz> thecodewarrior: then you wake up

L2091[19:50:59] <gigaherz> ;p

L2092[19:52:22] <Darva> I'm always more worried if my code builds and deploys on the first try after a massive sweeping change than if it doesn't. Waiting for the penny.

L2093[19:55:21] <thecodewarrior> https://twitter.com/themeatly/status/535821795245699072

L2094[19:56:36] <Darva> Amusingly, tomorrow at work, my team is gonna be making 4 other teams refactor a bunch of their code. It'll be a lot simpler when they're done, but I still imagine i won't be very popular at work for a while.

L2095[20:05:03] <DanYeomans> Does WorldSavedData get created for every dimension

L2096[20:05:36] <gigaherz> WorldSavedData is created on demand

L2097[20:05:46] <gigaherz> assuming you follow the suggested pattern

L2098[20:05:55] <DanYeomans> i madde mine a singleton

L2099[20:06:01] <DanYeomans> so it _should_ be once per server

L2100[20:06:07] <gigaherz> uh that's not how it's meant to be used

L2101[20:06:11] <gigaherz> you shouldn't manage the instance

L2102[20:06:22] <diesieben07> you can choose whether its per dimensino or per world save

L2103[20:06:24] <gigaherz> you should be creating it on demand if it's not already tied to the map

L2104[20:06:34] <gigaherz> the way to choose if it's global or per dimension

L2105[20:06:35] <diesieben07> world.perWorldStorage (per dimension) or world.mapStorage (per world save)

L2106[20:06:37] <gigaherz> is which map you use

L2107[20:07:04] <gigaherz> world.getPerWorldStorage() and world.getMapStorage() in 1.8.9

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L2113[20:26:50] <williewillus> there's no good ocr libraries for java :/

L2114[20:26:54] <williewillus> native java that is

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L2119[20:32:38] <infinitefoxes_> is there a way to smooth the noise generated OctaveNoiseGenerators?

L2120[20:32:59] <infinitefoxes_> I'm using it to generate clouds in my world gen, but the result isn't perfect yet

L2121[20:33:07] <infinitefoxes_> https://i.imgur.com/y1aHe7S.png

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L2131[20:44:35] <gigaherz> ugh wtf

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L2133[20:44:55] <gigaherz> I pressed "r" with the start menu (start10) open, and somehow it chose to reboot instead of start searching stuff with "r" in it

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L2136[20:48:33] <shadowfacts> diesieben07: dude should be banned (http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php/topic,36772.0.html), he's using a cracked launcher

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L2139[20:48:53] <diesieben07> how do you know?

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L2141[20:49:22] <shadowfacts> in the logs, whole bunch of mineshafter stuff

L2142[20:49:28] <Imalune> Hi FireStorm

L2143[20:49:39] <diesieben07> heh, didnt see that.

L2144[20:49:41] <diesieben07> thanks

L2145[20:50:03] <gigaherz> so

L2146[20:50:12] <gigaherz> I'm working on what may be the book model I use for my ingame help

L2147[20:50:13] <gigaherz> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/743491/Book.png

L2148[20:50:25] <gigaherz> my idea is to eventually animate it opening/closing

L2149[20:50:43] <gigaherz> it won't be the actual item model, this will be a GUI overlay

L2150[20:51:04] <gigaherz> with the minecraft-style book contents shown on the page ;p

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L2153[20:56:07] <DanYeomans> so when i teleport my player to the nether, it works fine

L2154[20:56:14] <DanYeomans> but if i then use a nether portal to get back from the nether

L2155[20:56:26] <DanYeomans> the player returns but the world doesnt load and the player is floating in the abyss

L2156[21:00:13] <DanYeomans> is there a way to tell the world to load

L2157[21:00:27] <gigaherz> uh if you return with the nether portal

L2158[21:00:35] <gigaherz> that should be happening on its own

L2159[21:00:44] <gigaherz> so that means you did something wrong with the teleport

L2160[21:00:48] <gigaherz> that broke the dimension

L2161[21:01:01] <DanYeomans> it loads properly when i quit and reload the save

L2162[21:01:08] <gigaherz> yes

L2163[21:01:23] <gigaherz> which indicates you did something wrong when teleporting using your method

L2164[21:01:33] <gigaherz> and it left the world in a broken state

L2165[21:01:49] <gigaherz> not corrupt, just not quite right

L2166[21:03:02] <DanYeomans> hmm

L2167[21:03:05] <DanYeomans> what could cause that?

L2168[21:03:14] <DanYeomans> here's my transferPlayerToDimension method

L2169[21:03:14] <DanYeomans> http://pastebin.com/cSKJyLYU

L2170[21:03:17] <gigaherz> dunno I never messed with cross-dimensional teleports yet

L2171[21:03:27] <DanYeomans> oh okay

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L2173[21:06:29] <gigaherz> :3

L2174[21:06:29] <gigaherz> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/743491/Book.png

L2175[21:06:47] <DanYeomans> woah nice

L2176[21:06:49] <gigaherz> (added the holden thing at the bottom

L2177[21:06:52] <gigaherz> golden*

L2178[21:07:03] <DanYeomans> that's really sleek looking. is this for a mod?

L2179[21:07:11] <gigaherz> yep, but not ingame yet

L2180[21:07:15] <gigaherz> doing the modelling part ;P

L2181[21:07:19] <DanYeomans> is it gonna be in 3d?

L2182[21:07:25] <gigaherz> that's the idea

L2183[21:07:32] <DanYeomans> animations?

L2184[21:07:36] <gigaherz> maybe

L2185[21:07:38] <DanYeomans> i'd love to see the finished product

L2186[21:07:44] <gigaherz> my plan was to animate it opening and closing

L2187[21:07:47] <DanYeomans> ooh

L2188[21:07:53] <gigaherz> then once open, display the book contents on the pages

L2189[21:08:19] <gigaherz> (I wouldn't draw the contents on the pages while animating becuase that would involve rendering to textures and i'm too lazy to do that XD

L2190[21:08:34] <DanYeomans> is it supposed to be a magic tome or something like that? the text could fade in

L2191[21:09:27] <gigaherz> well it's for my magic mod

L2192[21:09:31] <gigaherz> but no it's not specifically a magic tome

L2193[21:09:47] <gigaherz> just for the ingame help GUI / lorebook

L2194[21:10:43] <gigaherz> not really sure how i'll approach it, though

L2195[21:10:50] <gigaherz> drawing the book model would be relatively easy

L2196[21:11:01] <gigaherz> it's the animation i'm not sure how to make

L2197[21:11:02] <gigaherz> XD

L2198[21:11:14] <gigaherz> the 3d program I use doesn't have anything for animations

L2199[21:11:43] <gigaherz> I'm tempted to just temporarily do a 3D render of this and use it as a gui texture

L2200[21:14:38] <gigaherz> I guess I'll speak when fry at some other time, when we both are awake XD

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L2202[21:16:44] <gigaherz> (worst case I can make a few versions of the book in different closingness states, and manually interpolate between them)

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L2204[21:18:04] <DanYeomans> wooo i fixed it!

L2205[21:18:18] <DanYeomans> i had supplied the wrong dimension at one point

L2206[21:18:33] <DanYeomans> so i was removing the player from both dimensions, technically

L2207[21:18:35] <DanYeomans> only thing is

L2208[21:19:04] <DanYeomans> the iextendedentityproperties either gets disconnected or destroyed in the process of teleporting

L2209[21:19:05] <gigaherz> lol

L2210[21:19:17] <gigaherz> the whole entity gets recreated

L2211[21:19:23] <gigaherz> a copy is made in the new dimension

L2212[21:19:35] <gigaherz> and the data for it gets saved from one and loaded into the other

L2213[21:19:44] <DanYeomans> oh okay, so it's not a problem then?

L2214[21:19:50] <gigaherz> not really

L2215[21:19:54] <gigaherz> well

L2216[21:20:11] <gigaherz> hmm no, because teleporting back from the end will also do that

L2217[21:20:18] <gigaherz> even though it counts as a respawn

L2218[21:20:28] <gigaherz> (as if you died, xcept you get to keep all the items and stuff)

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L2220[21:22:05] <DanYeomans> hmm fair enough

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L2231[21:51:34] <riderj> How can I limit the ticks that an Items onUpdate method gets.

L2232[21:52:31] <diesieben07> you mean how often you do something?

L2233[21:53:58] <riderj> Yeah, I'm making a gui appear when my item is selected, but I don't need it to tick as much as it does.

L2234[21:54:24] <tterrag> if (world.getTotalWorldTime() % [some amount]) { // do stuff }

L2235[21:54:28] <tterrag> err

L2236[21:54:30] <tterrag> == 0 :P

L2237[21:54:40] <riderj> Cool cool

L2238[21:54:58] <tterrag> sadly there's no way to stagger update calls

L2239[21:55:03] <tterrag> would be neat if there was :P

L2240[21:56:20] <riderj> How often does onUpdate get called? 20/sec?

L2241[21:57:36] <gigaherz> yes, at the same rate as all other ticking

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L2243[21:58:28] <riderj> I wasn't too sure, better to check and get the right info so I don't give out false information in the future.

L2244[21:58:52] <gigaherz> :3

L2245[21:58:53] <gigaherz> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/743491/Books.png

L2246[21:59:00] <gigaherz> made 4 versions of the book

L2247[21:59:05] <riderj> smexy

L2248[21:59:11] <gigaherz> at 0, 30, 60 and 90 degrees of openness

L2249[21:59:13] <riderj> What did you make 'em in

L2250[21:59:22] <gigaherz> Rhinoceros

L2251[21:59:41] <gigaherz> but... it's not an app I'd recommend for modelling

L2252[21:59:45] <gigaherz> I do find it intuitive

L2253[21:59:49] <gigaherz> but I don't really model with it

L2254[21:59:52] <gigaherz> more like "construct" models

L2255[22:00:00] <riderj> -.- I just googled it as is... Why so dumb?

L2256[22:00:01] <gigaherz> based on shapes and such

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L2258[22:00:13] <gigaherz> rhinoceros 3d, by mcneel

L2259[22:00:16] <riderj> Got a wikipedia page on Rhinoceros's though

L2260[22:00:18] <gigaherz> rather expensive piece of software ;P

L2261[22:01:03] <riderj> Works like autodesk inventor?

L2262[22:01:38] <gigaherz> never used inventor

L2263[22:01:39] <gigaherz> but I doubt it

L2264[22:01:58] <gigaherz> in essence, rhino is a modelling program based on NURBS (curved surfaces)

L2265[22:02:28] <gigaherz> but since it has some nice extrusion tools and such

L2266[22:02:44] <gigaherz> it works well for drawing shapes and then turning them into solids

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L2268[22:03:11] <gigaherz> any actual artist would cringe at how I do the models

L2269[22:03:12] <gigaherz> XD

L2270[22:03:29] <gigaherz> but it works for me so...

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L2272[22:05:26] <riderj> Metasequoia, was a modeling program I used back when I did runescape private servers. I believe that it's the same as Rhino, but obviously lower quality. Some people made some nice models with it though.

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L2274[22:06:40] <gigaherz> that one seems to be polygon-based, not quite the same ;p

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L2276[22:07:45] <riderj> Damn it

L2277[22:08:19] <riderj> I'm done trying to understand what NURBS is. Don't really care, cuz I suck at modeling XD

L2278[22:08:24] <gigaherz> XD

L2279[22:08:31] <gigaherz> NURBS is a mathematical technique

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L2281[22:08:40] <gigaherz> used to compute curves and curved surfaces

L2282[22:09:07] <gigaherz> do you understand bezier curves?

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L2284[22:12:11] <riderj> Nope, I've heard the term but haven't researched them.

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L2286[22:12:53] <gigaherz> well

L2287[22:12:56] <riderj> Ah, like the line tool in paint?

L2288[22:13:01] <gigaherz> yes

L2289[22:13:04] <gigaherz> now

L2290[22:13:22] <gigaherz> suppose you extend that "curve tool" idea

L2291[22:13:30] <gigaherz> which uses 4 points

L2292[22:13:33] <gigaherz> to have more than 4 points

L2293[22:13:43] <gigaherz> and smoothly go from one end to the other

L2294[22:14:05] <gigaherz> while being "pulled" by each of the points

L2295[22:14:25] <gigaherz> the formulas are different for nurbs and bezier

L2296[22:14:30] <gigaherz> but the idea is similar

L2297[22:14:45] <gigaherz> you have a set of control points that "pull" on the curve

L2298[22:15:07] <gigaherz> so the further away a control point is, the more the curve distorts from being a straight line

L2299[22:15:15] <gigaherz> now

L2300[22:15:30] <gigaherz> suppose you extend this concept to be a surface instead of just a curve

L2301[22:15:50] <gigaherz> you have a shape, and you have some control points that pull on this shape

L2302[22:16:00] <gigaherz> you can create curved surfaces that way

L2303[22:16:44] <gigaherz> varying the "degree" of the curve/surface sections you can change from it being just a polygon, to it being a very smooth curve

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L2305[22:17:31] <riderj> Makes sense, sounds like an interesting way to model something

L2306[22:17:37] <gigaherz> yeah

L2307[22:17:42] <gigaherz> just one "little" problem

L2308[22:17:56] <gigaherz> for anything game-like

L2309[22:18:01] <gigaherz> you want polygons, not curves

L2310[22:18:06] <riderj> Yep

L2311[22:18:29] <gigaherz> and although nurbs-based software have tools for turning surfaces into polygon meshes

L2312[22:18:47] <gigaherz> the best you can do is tweak some of the numbers and hope that it looks right

L2313[22:18:55] <gigaherz> it just tends to not be good for low-poly models

L2314[22:19:19] <gigaherz> so what I do generally, is work with flat surfaces (degree 1 polynomials)

L2315[22:19:59] <gigaherz> then generate meshes from those flat surfaces, and "weld" the edges of the mesh so it appears curved where it matters

L2316[22:20:10] <gigaherz> (it smooths the normals)

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L2318[22:22:13] <riderj> Interesting, wish I knew more about graphics but I don't :(

L2319[22:22:25] <riderj> Never seems to stick no matter how much research I do on it.

L2320[22:22:56] <riderj> Why is it so satisfying to push a commit :P

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L2322[22:23:41] <gigaherz> it gives you a sensation of success

L2323[22:23:52] <gigaherz> which makes your body release dopamine

L2324[22:24:20] <tterrag> commit early commit often

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L2326[22:24:39] <gigaherz> yeah but that has the downside of diminishing returns: not as much dopamine if you do it often ;P

L2327[22:25:04] <riderj> gigaherz gettin all technical here

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L2329[22:25:26] <gigaherz> i'm subscribed to a handful of sciency youtube channels

L2330[22:25:27] <gigaherz> ;p

L2331[22:25:34] <riderj> I am too XD

L2332[22:26:28] <riderj> vsauce, MinutePhysics, Veritasium, etc

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L2335[22:28:23] <gigaherz> not SciShow?

L2336[22:28:36] <gigaherz> SmarterEveryDay?

L2337[22:28:44] <riderj> I watch it sometimes, but never have subscribed

L2338[22:28:46] <riderj> That too

L2339[22:28:51] <riderj> I forgot that one

L2340[22:29:54] <gigaherz> Numberphile, Computerphile, Objectivity, Sixty Symbols, etc (there's a whole set of channels from the same dude recording others explaining things)

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L2343[22:35:02] <williewillus> anyone know why my c++ comparison function isn't working >.> https://gyazo.com/1abf3cae383bd616af4ae8f8998383bb

L2344[22:35:09] <williewillus> where current_pose is a global variable

L2345[22:36:25] <McJty> How isn't it working?

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L2347[22:36:33] <McJty> Also that's a strange way to compare distance

L2348[22:36:46] <tterrag> real quesiton is, why have a compare function?

L2349[22:36:50] <tterrag> why not operator=

L2350[22:36:53] <tterrag> err ==

L2351[22:37:07] <McJty> tterrag, == is for equality. This does >

L2352[22:37:11] <McJty> But operator> should work

L2353[22:37:15] <tterrag> sure

L2354[22:37:16] <tterrag> :P

L2355[22:37:19] <gigaherz> meh

L2356[22:37:23] <gigaherz> it's working with internal state

L2357[22:37:35] <gigaherz> using operator > would be wrong

L2358[22:37:36] <williewillus> its a custom point class, and it's sorting everything relative to distance from some global point

L2359[22:37:43] <williewillus> descending

L2360[22:38:27] <gigaherz> williewillus: what would be nice to know, is how it fails

L2361[22:38:28] <gigaherz> XD

L2362[22:38:35] <McJty> Isn't distance usually something like (pos.x-p1.x)*(pos.x-p1.x) + (pos.y-p1.y)*(pos.y-p1.y)?

L2363[22:38:40] <McJty> Squared distance I mean

L2364[22:38:57] <gigaherz> yeah, eucledian distance is sqrt(x² + y²)

L2365[22:39:09] <williewillus> lol wow

L2366[22:39:20] <williewillus> i don't think i was awake when I wrote this first time around

L2367[22:39:23] <gigaherz> but there's also "taxicab" distance, which is just (x+y)

L2368[22:39:50] <gigaherz> williewillus: you probably want

L2369[22:40:18] <gigaherz> (getX() - pose.x)*(getX() - pose.x) + (getY() - pose.y)*(getY() - pose.y)

L2370[22:40:36] <gigaherz> which is what McJty said ;p

L2371[22:41:16] <gigaherz> or even better, make a distanceTo() method in your Point class ;p

L2372[22:43:27] <tterrag> why :( http://puu.sh/n9Gg8.png

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L2375[22:43:50] <williewillus> why ubuntu, indeed ;p

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L2377[22:44:14] <williewillus> the framework I have to do this project in is distrolocked to ubuntu, which is extremely irritating

L2378[22:44:23] <tterrag> meh I'm just trying to get virtualbox working

L2379[22:44:31] <tterrag> used ubuntu before and it's supported so why not

L2380[22:44:51] <williewillus> and my arch partition doesnt have enough space to hold a vm so I have to reboot into windows to use linux through a vm :P

L2381[22:45:40] <tterrag> also I'm too lazy to transfer everything over to my laptop >.>

L2382[22:45:47] <gigaherz> why not just... use windows and let arch exist in a VM? ;P

L2383[22:46:15] <gigaherz> I'm too lazy to dual-boot

L2384[22:46:25] <gigaherz> and my primary uses of the computer require windows

L2385[22:46:32] <gigaherz> so Linux is only ever a VM os for me

L2386[22:47:18] <gigaherz> ...

L2387[22:47:19] <gigaherz> if I ever finish this book rendering thing,

L2388[22:47:23] <gigaherz> and turn it into a lib

L2389[22:47:29] <gigaherz> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/743491/Books.png

L2390[22:47:32] <gigaherz> THIS will be the icon

L2391[22:48:14] <williewillus> the only reason I go to windows is to for non-mc games

L2392[22:48:23] <williewillus> all work is in linux

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L2394[22:51:58] <gigaherz> night

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L2396[22:53:21] <SomeGuyInATree> I realized the other week I use windows on a Daily yet everything I run is on *nix. Debian 8 has been out long enough that I've been contemplating that as my new main OS (It's on all of my Vms as is)

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L2400[22:55:33] <DanYeomans> hmm

L2401[22:55:50] <DanYeomans> any idea why instead of a livingentity teleporting to another dimension it just disappears?

L2402[22:55:53] <DanYeomans> players work fine

L2403[22:56:44] <McJty> Teleporting entities is not very easy

L2404[22:56:48] <McJty> 1.7.10 or 1.8.9?

L2405[22:56:52] <McJty> I have code for both

L2406[22:56:55] <DanYeomans> 1.8

L2407[22:57:01] <McJty> hold on

L2408[22:57:35] <DanYeomans> thanks McJty :)

L2409[22:57:50] <McJty> This is what I'm using in rftools: https://bpaste.net/show/68ff3cad3ef3

L2410[22:58:03] <McJty> Basically it just removes the entity and recreates it in the new dimension

L2411[22:58:16] <McJty> It is the only way that I found to be stable

L2412[22:59:24] <DanYeomans> well it's sure better than what i have now lol

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L2421[23:37:41] <DanYeomans> hey uh McJty i'm getting a java.lang.InstantiationException when i use your method

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L2424[23:40:28] <tterrag> DanYeomans: for what entity?

L2425[23:40:40] <tterrag> any entity MUST have a public World constructor

L2426[23:40:46] <tterrag> so if that code is failing an entity is broken

L2427[23:41:04] <RockoBonaparte> If I want all instances of AnvilSaveConverter replaced with my own class, do I use an access transformer?

L2428[23:41:18] <DanYeomans> they are for LivingEntities

L2429[23:41:43] <tterrag> RockoBonaparte: no that's not what an AT is

L2430[23:42:22] <tterrag> DanYeomans: which entity is causing the error...

L2431[23:42:23] <RockoBonaparte> tterrag Well that explains why it made no sense.

L2432[23:43:53] <RockoBonaparte> Is there some kind of injection system in forge that would give me a fighting chance of changing out the AnvilSaveConverter for my own?

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L2434[23:44:17] <tterrag> reflection maybe? I don't know how it works

L2435[23:44:27] <tterrag> the save system that is. don't know if you could feasibly replace it

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L2437[23:44:47] <DanYeomans> umm an entity that i'm teleporting to another dimension? :S

L2438[23:44:58] <tterrag> ...which....entity....

L2439[23:45:16] <DanYeomans> i don't understand your question sorry

L2440[23:45:29] <tterrag> what class? what entity? what kind?

L2441[23:45:30] <TehNut> A creeper? A player? A spider? One from an obscure mod?

L2442[23:45:39] <DanYeomans> it happens to any entity

L2443[23:45:50] <tterrag> post the log

L2444[23:45:51] <DanYeomans> but they are either PlayerEntities or LivingEntities

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L2449[23:46:37] <DanYeomans> here you go

L2450[23:46:37] <DanYeomans> http://pastebin.com/eJ8B2w3i

L2451[23:47:10] <tterrag> uhh

L2452[23:47:15] <tterrag> that has nothing to do with the teleport code...

L2453[23:47:20] <tterrag> does your TE have an empty constructor?

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L2455[23:47:42] <DanYeomans> my tile entity? no

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L2457[23:48:32] <tterrag> it needs to

L2458[23:48:36] <DanYeomans> oh

L2459[23:49:08] <LatvianModder> It can have non-empty if you dont use it for instantation

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L2461[23:50:09] <LatvianModder> Fr example, some parent TileEntity. But the one you put in createNewTileEntity() class must have at least one MyTileEntity() constructor

L2462[23:50:37] <tterrag> it's a stupid requirement

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L2464[23:50:44] <tterrag> I hate anything designed to use class objects

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L2469[23:55:49] <LatvianModder> Right? But its for registry

L2470[23:56:01] <LatvianModder> I think the same with Entity(World)

L2471[23:56:13] <LatvianModder> And ItemBlock(Block)

L2472[23:57:07] <dagarath> Hey guys I am having issues with a multiblock structure, I am trying to get vanilla hoppers working with it. Just clarifying whether this is the case, do I have to implement a passthrough ISidedInventory of sorts in all of the exterior blocks to pass to the main tile entity?

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L2474[23:57:31] <tterrag> LatvianModder: it is

L2475[23:57:35] <tterrag> doesn't make it not a stupid design

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L2477[23:58:24] <dagarath> I mean, I can't have ISided Inventory act like the exterior tiles ARE the parent tile entity?