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L22[00:59:05] <theresajayne> I am looking for some Global data storage, I don't really want to have to go to custom files or databases, Is there a Global NBT data or is it al World NBT Data and I would just have to use the Overworld NBT data for everything?

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L26[01:01:08] <Ronzan> theresajayne: config file, or what are you trying to do?

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L28[01:11:42] <theresajayne> I want a list of locations of specific entities but i don't want it limited by dimension

L29[01:12:11] <theresajayne> and i need access even if the location isnt loaded - like in an unloaded chunk or dimension

L30[01:16:04] <Ronzan> I believe you can use WorldSavedData to do that

L31[01:18:42] <tterrag> yes

L32[01:18:59] <Ronzan> see Sieben's post: http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php?topic=35016.0

L33[01:19:25] <foxy> anyone know how to help me...?

L34[01:22:25] <Ronzan> Sorry foxy, I can't, just a noob here ;)

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L36[01:32:08] <Zaggy1024> would it be better to keep EnumPlantType.Plains as it is now (so that it includes farmland), or make it possible to make a plant not plantable on farmland but on grass and dirt?

L37[01:32:38] <Zaggy1024> (with the change over to a Set for multiple plant types you'll be able to do Plains and Crops so that plants can behave as before

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L46[01:53:43] <Zaggy1024> guess I gotta wait for the more active users >.>

L47[01:57:52] <ThePsionic> Mmmm, new GTA DLC tomorrow

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L50[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20151214 mappings to Forge Maven.

L51[02:00:06] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20151214-1.8.8.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20151214" in build.gradle).

L52[02:00:17] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

L53[02:09:41] <McJty> Ok, so in most cases I can avoid a TESR and just associated my OBJ model using the blockstates.

L54[02:09:52] <McJty> But there are a few cases where I can't. So how exactly would one render an OBJ model from within a TESR now?

L55[02:10:06] <McJty> Any example code on that?

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L58[02:12:12] <Zaggy1024> what few cases when you can't?

L59[02:12:16] <Zaggy1024> perhaps I can help?

L60[02:12:34] <McJty> I have a chest where the chest itself is static but the lid is not. It animates

L61[02:12:37] <McJty> i.e. goes open and closed

L62[02:12:39] <Zaggy1024> ah

L63[02:12:54] <McJty> Also another case

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L65[02:13:04] <McJty> I have a furnace that is static but when it is on it shows a burning flame texture

L66[02:13:08] <McJty> And that has to be rendered in another layer

L67[02:13:19] <McJty> I think that also has to be done with a TESR but maybe I'm mistaken there?

L68[02:13:30] <Zaggy1024> can't you make the flame be part of the obj and change according to block state?

L69[02:13:39] <McJty> Zaggy1024, the render layer is a problem

L70[02:13:43] <McJty> The fire has to be in the CUTOUT layer

L71[02:13:50] <McJty> But the furnace itself is just normal

L72[02:13:53] <Zaggy1024> for the chest, there are ways to render block models in TESRs (I think pistons use that)

L73[02:14:01] <Zaggy1024> but that may not be preferable for you

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L75[02:14:10] <Zaggy1024> I'm not sure if there's a direct way to render an obj

L76[02:14:33] <McJty> I think there was. I believe shadowfacts told me there was

L77[02:14:48] <Zaggy1024> what I did was I made a fake block with a state mapper to force loading of some blockstates jsons so I can render them in my TESR, but that's really quite complex

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L79[02:17:31] <McJty> I'll need to solve another problem first in any case so I'll wait

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L89[02:44:15] <ThePsionic> http://pastebin.com/01vrLfEw

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L97[03:04:17] <karlthepagan> trustin has just called you out - https://github.com/netty/netty/issues/2302#issuecomment-164373839

L98[03:06:37] <karlthepagan> note the *solution* https://github.com/netty/netty/issues/2302#issuecomment-59975628 - use an unreleasableBuffer

L99[03:24:39] <karlthepagan> correlates to https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/issues/1848#issuecomment-99531590

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L102[03:28:07] <killjoy> What would prevent thePlayer from being set?

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L104[03:29:05] <karlthepagan> happens to me a lot

L105[03:29:20] <killjoy> I'm leaning towards blaming optifine

L106[03:29:22] <karlthepagan> when I cut out a big chunk of code to make a bot I found a race condition

L107[03:29:38] <sham1> Good morning-ish time for each and every one of you

L108[03:29:58] <sham1> Always blame optifine

L109[03:30:15] <karlthepagan> killjoy - when the server receives the connect packet it is re-queued using a lazy goto (throw static exception)

L110[03:30:25] <karlthepagan> the act of throwing makes packet order non-deterministic

L111[03:31:29] <karlthepagan> I started writing a patch to setup a barrier during client connect... but meh too complex

L112[03:32:18] <ZaggyMobile2> Can anyone think of a crop from a mod that is plantable on multiple soil types?

L113[03:32:37] <sham1> Sugarcane

L114[03:32:38] <karlthepagan> sugarcane :D

L115[03:32:40] <sham1> Wait no

L116[03:32:41] <karlthepagan> beat me!

L117[03:32:49] <ZaggyMobile2> Simplest combination probably being Plains and Desert

L118[03:32:51] <karlthepagan> sand or soil yea

L119[03:32:58] <ZaggyMobile2> Sugar cane is the water type

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L121[03:33:02] <karlthepagan> doh

L122[03:33:15] <sham1> But water if the weaknesses of grass types

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L124[03:33:38] <ZaggyMobile2> That's why i specified that out should be from a mod, since vanilla doesn't have such a plant

L125[03:34:01] <sham1> Why do you need something like that

L126[03:34:22] <tterrag> make your own test mod

L127[03:34:28] <ZaggyMobile2> Trying to figure something out for my pr for plantable

L128[03:34:47] <ZaggyMobile2> IPlantable, I mean

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L130[03:35:13] <ZaggyMobile2> I'm trying to think of the applications of my changes

L131[03:35:22] <ZaggyMobile2> I don't need a test mod

L132[03:35:47] <tterrag> yes, you do, it's part of making a proper PR when it changes the API so deeply

L133[03:36:48] <ZaggyMobile2> Specifically the thing in trying to figure it out is whether there should be like a "main" plant type, or just something to differentiate plants that should keep farmland from dying

L134[03:37:13] <sham1> Fertiliser plants :D

L135[03:37:23] <ZaggyMobile2> tterrag, that would be later, if it would even be necessary

L136[03:37:38] <ZaggyMobile2> These changes aren't exactly complex

L137[03:37:59] <ZaggyMobile2> What are fertiliser plants? :P

L138[03:38:57] <sham1> Plants that capture nitrogen from the air and have it go into the soil

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L140[03:39:30] <sham1> Thus making the soil more versitile

L141[03:39:32] <ZaggyMobile2> What I'm trying to fix by making it differentiate primarily farmland crops for is to make Forge match vanilla, where only BlockCrops and BlockStem prevent farmland from dying

L142[03:40:00] <ZaggyMobile2> In Forge, task grass stops farmland from turning to duty

L143[03:40:06] <ZaggyMobile2> *dirt

L144[03:40:32] <ZaggyMobile2> *tall grass

L145[03:41:03] <ZaggyMobile2> Touchscreens are very imprecise :P

L146[03:41:13] <karlthepagan> reference the Netty bug that's been handles poorly: FMLHandshakeServerState references a releasable buffer in an enum context.

L147[03:41:49] <ZaggyMobile2> Sham1 does that plant exist in some

L148[03:41:58] <ZaggyMobile2> mod?

L149[03:43:04] <ZaggyMobile2> Like I said, I'm looking for applications of IPlantable, to figure out what this "main" plant type could be, and if it would be useful for anything

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L152[03:47:06] <Zaggy1024> another option would be to make it check "plantTypes.contains(EnumPlantType.Crops) && !plantTypes.contains(EnumPlantType.Plains)", so that if the plant can stay if the soil turns to dirt, it will turn it to dir

L153[03:47:07] <Zaggy1024> dirt

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L155[03:47:32] <Zaggy1024> but that's not necessarily ideal, because some plants may benefit from farmland while still surviving on dirt

L156[03:47:54] <Zaggy1024> I know many plants in the mod I'm working on do that

L157[03:49:06] <karlthepagan> eh, none of those buffers are actually constant

L158[03:49:20] <karlthepagan> i should sleep... might have time to dig into it later

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L160[03:56:00] <ZaggyMobile2> I'm going to sleep, but it would be nice to get people's feedback on what IPlantable should work like when it allows multiple plant types

L161[03:56:17] <ZaggyMobile2> I'll probably ask about it again tomorrow

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L163[03:58:07] <LexDesktop> !gm func_74861_a

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L166[04:07:27] <LexDesktop> Alright, wel.. im about to push a change to FF to fix a decompile bug, someone test it out in like 5 mins refreshign your deps to see if I broke forge u.u

L167[04:13:30] <killjoy> !gc ctq 1.8

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L169[04:18:28] <portablejim> How would I save a block + meta (or blockstate) into an NBT tag and get it back again?

L170[04:19:34] <portablejim> oh, I mean an itemstack, not a block.

L171[04:19:42] <killjoy> !gc cil 1.8

L172[04:20:01] <killjoy> Well that explains why thePlayer is null

L173[04:20:57] <tterrag> portablejim: stack.writeToNBT ...

L174[04:21:11] <tterrag> or...what are you asking?

L175[04:21:40] <Matthew> LexDesktop, looks like it broke forge patches. https://gist.github.com/matthewprenger/27fe115c20efc3081836

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L177[04:25:13] <LexDesktop> Actualyl it didnt break forge

L178[04:25:15] <LexDesktop> it broken MCP FUCK

L179[04:25:39] <LexDesktop> Forgot about the mcp patches

L180[04:27:36] <killjoy> I finally fixed optifine compatability q.q

L181[04:28:03] <LexDesktop> The patch that MCP does actually is what I just fixed in FF

L182[04:28:12] <LexDesktop> Needc to find a way to tell FG to skip it.

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L189[04:49:50] <LexDesktop> Alright pushed a change that made it an optional patch, refresh deps on your setup will fix it.

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L193[04:56:47] <Matthew> looks good this time. heres my diff between old and new https://gist.github.com/matthewprenger/fe3d478e4569dab2ead8

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L197[05:03:16] <Matthew> actually Lex, why did this change to lvt_2_2_ https://gist.github.com/matthewprenger/fe3d478e4569dab2ead8#file-forgediff-patch-L30

L198[05:03:32] <LexDesktop> No fucking idea, but it doesnt break anything.

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L200[05:04:10] <Matthew> heh yeah. just started minecraft. didn't crash

L201[05:04:13] <LexDesktop> The important ones were the world and portal

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L203[05:05:06] <LexDesktop> It probably didnt get merged because it was doing a multi-level merge. Which would get interesting.

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L205[05:07:14] <LexDesktop> Side note, anyone have any options on easy-ish to use windows firewalls? Thinking of going Comodo, because thats the only name i recognize but cant remember if that was a good thing or bad.

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L209[05:22:04] <luacs1998> lex, windows firewall is all i can think of, lol

L210[05:22:12] <portablejim> tterrag: I am wanting to save the block info (not NBT) into an nbt tag. 1.7 code: https://github.com/portablejim/BetterBuildersWands/blob/master/src/main/java/portablejim/bbw/core/items/ItemBasicWand.java#L78 but it is deprecated in 1.8.

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L216[05:30:36] <LexDesktop> windows firewall is a pain to use, plus from what i've seen had bad log utilitites :/

L217[05:33:21] <tterrag> portablejim: that method was just a passthrough for Block.blockRegistry.getNameForObject

L218[05:33:25] <tterrag> use that instead

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L223[05:39:40] <LexDesktop> does enchanting in vanilla sometimes add multiple enchantments at once?

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L227[05:44:22] <tterrag> not that I've ever seen

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L229[05:46:03] <LexDesktop> Acording to the wiki it does.

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L232[05:48:20] <LexDesktop> Yup just tested vanilla it'll randomly pick a few enchantments.

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L235[05:52:02] <tterrag> oh, I misread your question

L236[05:52:05] <tterrag> yes it absolutely does

L237[05:52:09] <tterrag> I thought you meant duplicates

L238[05:52:35] <McJty> BTW. In MC 1.8.8 events are done in a separate thread. Right?

L239[05:52:57] <McJty> If so are there common practices and hints on what one should look out for and how to get around modifying your TE anyway?

L240[05:52:59] <tterrag> no

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L243[05:53:09] <McJty> I mean messages (network)

L244[05:53:13] <tterrag> then yes

L245[05:53:18] <tterrag> completely different thing :P

L246[05:53:25] <McJty> yes I know.

L247[05:53:37] <McJty> So consider my question 'reasked' using 'messages' :-)

L248[05:53:39] <tterrag> McJty: http://mcforge.readthedocs.org/en/latest/networking/simpleimpl/#making-packets

L249[05:53:41] <tterrag> read the warning box

L250[05:53:50] <McJty> ok thanks. Will check it out now

L251[05:54:20] <McJty> ok, that looks simple enough

L252[06:01:37] <portablejim> What sort of an approach is needed with rendering stuff with AABBs in 1.8? RenderGlobal seems broken.

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L256[06:10:44] <boni> McJty: https://github.com/SlimeKnights/Mantle/blob/1.8/src/main/java/slimeknights/mantle/network/AbstractPacketThreadsafe.java

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L258[06:11:12] <McJty> boni, thanks!

L259[06:12:50] <boni> (abstractpacket is just an IMessage and IMessagehandler combination)

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L262[06:17:09] <LexDesktop> Note: You REALLY should think about making your work threadsafe.

L263[06:17:49] <boni> definitively. but that only works if you know the parts that are not inheritely threadsafe

L264[06:17:54] <boni> also, rendering and user interaction. brrr

L265[06:18:00] <boni> +gui

L266[06:19:09] <tterrag> boni: stop combining IMessage and IMessage handler

L267[06:19:12] <tterrag> it's bad practice :(

L268[06:20:18] <boni> it's nice and overseeable ;P

L269[06:20:25] <sham1> About threadsafe

L270[06:20:50] <sham1> MC really is not thread safe, unless we talk about networking which has its own thread

L271[06:21:28] <tterrag> boni: how so? you should only need to wrap the handler in a task

L272[06:21:36] <tterrag> instead of complicating your packet (which should be purely data)

L273[06:23:47] <sham1> And that data can pretty much be anything

L274[06:23:52] <boni> i have all that concerns the message in one class. i don't need to look through several classes to find what it actually does. like in MC. the packets do simple things.

L275[06:24:23] <sham1> I do what EnderCore does (thanks tterrag for inspiration)

L276[06:24:25] <tterrag> sounds great until you mix up your contexts

L277[06:24:31] <McJty> Hmm boni. My situation is a bit complicated since I use the message reply system

L278[06:24:33] <tterrag> sham1: yeah, I wish you didn't

L279[06:24:40] <sham1> :D

L280[06:24:42] <McJty> And I cannot simply return the reply message in the runnable

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L282[06:24:49] <fry> boni: booooooooooo

L283[06:25:02] <sham1> Serializing stuff can get annoying

L284[06:25:04] <boni> McJty: i just showed you how to make the call threadsafe :P

L285[06:25:06] <sham1> You know that

L286[06:25:08] <fry> implelemting IMessage and IMessageHandler on 1 class is stupid

L287[06:25:10] <tterrag> boni: one time you will forget you need to do message.foo instead of just foo

L288[06:25:15] <tterrag> and you wilil spend hours debugging it :)

L289[06:25:16] <fry> and dangerous

L290[06:25:24] <boni> tterrag: ?

L291[06:25:30] <boni> what is message.foo and just foo

L292[06:25:46] <sham1> but yeah, IMessage and IMessageHandler in same class is a no-no

L293[06:25:49] <boni> fry: why would it be

L294[06:25:56] <boni> i don't see any downside

L295[06:26:47] <fry> would you implement Block and Tileentity in 1 class, if java allowed that?

L296[06:26:54] <sham1> Also tterrag, may I ask why

L297[06:27:16] <boni> fry: depends on the task it performs, i guess? ;P

L298[06:27:25] <fry> what?

L299[06:27:29] <fry> seriously?

L300[06:27:30] <tterrag> sham1: because i added that nasty reflection crap to avoid rewriting everything

L301[06:27:36] <sham1> oh

L302[06:27:38] <McJty> fry, for those two it is a bit different as there is only one block instance but there are many tile entity instances

L303[06:27:39] <tterrag> I would never have written it like that

L304[06:27:42] <McJty> fry, so bad example :-)

L305[06:27:45] <sham1> I just use the serializing stuff

L306[06:27:47] <fry> exactly, McJty

L307[06:27:53] <sham1> That's all I grabbed

L308[06:28:03] <boni> ah

L309[06:28:03] <tterrag> sham1: hm?

L310[06:28:05] <fry> situation with IMessage and IMessageHandler is exactly the same

L311[06:28:05] <tterrag> like what?

L312[06:28:14] <boni> fry: well, why didn't you say so when i asked you? :P

L313[06:28:14] <fry> there's 1 IMessageHandler instance

L314[06:28:23] <boni> and yes you're correct

L315[06:28:27] <boni> there is 1 IMessageHandler instance

L316[06:28:27] <fry> but multiple IMessage instances

L317[06:28:33] <boni> it just happens to be the same class /o\

L318[06:28:40] <fry> why?

L319[06:28:45] <fry> it's stupid

L320[06:28:48] <sham1> The way where you write the serializable stuff into the gzip stream and that into the bytestream

L321[06:28:53] <sham1> bytebuf*

L322[06:28:57] <tterrag> oh, that wasn't my idea :P

L323[06:29:01] <boni> it's less stupid than having a child-class inside the class just for the handler.

L324[06:29:04] <boni> ;P

L325[06:29:08] <tterrag> you mean this https://github.com/SleepyTrousers/EnderCore/blob/master/src/main/java/com/enderio/core/common/config/PacketConfigSync.java

L326[06:29:09] <fry> no, it's not

L327[06:29:13] <sham1> yes

L328[06:29:18] <boni> it's less readable i mean

L329[06:29:19] <sham1> It may not be yours

L330[06:29:26] <boni> otherwise there's no semantic difference in my case

L331[06:29:27] <fry> boni: this is throwing OOP out of the window completely

L332[06:29:27] <sham1> But I heard it first from you so...

L333[06:29:31] <gabizou> /msg Dockter https://github.com/gabizou/ArcReactorMod for reference

L334[06:29:35] <tterrag> I think Ordinastie showed me that .-.

L335[06:29:40] <gabizou> -_- ignore that

L336[06:29:40] <tterrag> gg gabizou

L337[06:29:46] <fry> it's like implementing IModel and IBakedModel on the same class

L338[06:29:58] <gabizou> tterrag shhhhh don't pay attention to the forge noob

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L340[06:30:08] <fry> boni: and all you save is 1 line of code

L341[06:30:12] <boni> fry: i really CBA to go into every detailed OOP for very simple htings

L342[06:30:22] <fry> it's not about simplicity

L343[06:30:35] <Wuppy> anyone want to play my ludum dare game?>

L344[06:30:42] <fry> it's about having a basic understanding of what a class is

L345[06:31:27] <sham1> Much rather have a packet bean than deal with serializing stuff seperately

L346[06:31:38] <McJty> fry, btw. I'm still having some trouble finding info on how to render an OBJ from within a TESR. I can avoid many cases of that in my mod but a few I can't avoid

L347[06:31:49] <fry> boni: using "this" inside the AbstractPacket is pointless and dangerous

L348[06:32:09] <boni> not in my implementation, no

L349[06:32:23] <boni> i know what you mean

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L351[06:33:10] <fry> boni: let's say I extend AbstractPacket, and store something in it - for example, buffer of all the data I receive; where should I store it?

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L353[06:34:26] <fry> McJty: https://github.com/RainWarrior/MinecraftForge/blob/model-animation/src/test/java/net/minecraftforge/debug/ModelAnimationDebug.java#L241-L284 (minus the IExtendedBlockState if)

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L355[06:35:30] <McJty> fry, is it not possible to do this without requiring a model linked to the state?

L356[06:35:50] <fry> get the IModel instead, call bake on it, and use that

L357[06:36:08] <fry> you can get it by calling ModelLoaderRegistry.loadModel

L358[06:36:10] <boni> fry: i don't have a buffer of all the data I receive. I have packets with data that are consumed on call.

L359[06:36:21] <McJty> fry, I was told to never ever call bake on my own

L360[06:36:28] <McJty> By shadowfacts I think

L361[06:37:07] <boni> how else would you bake a model, if not with calling bake?

L362[06:37:21] <sham1> I'd rather bake a cake

L363[06:37:23] <McJty> Well the point is probably that you shouldn't manually bake it but let the 'system' do it

L364[06:37:37] <boni> the 'system' is calling 'bake' on the imodel

L365[06:37:52] <McJty> yes it is

L366[06:37:54] <boni> you just have to give it the right parameters. which you usually get from the modelloader originally

L367[06:37:59] <McJty> Well I'll stop playing relay buffer :-)

L368[06:38:00] <sham1> Also fry, why is that chest entityliving

L369[06:38:06] <McJty> Just telling you what I was told. I don't understand it

L370[06:38:46] <fry> McJty: yes, in general, that's true for block and item-tied models; but baking manually is not bad - you just won't be able to tie the resulting baked model to the block/item

L371[06:39:07] <McJty> that's ok

L372[06:39:23] <McJty> Is there a specific time where I can bake? Can I do it in my TESR on init or does it have to be in a specific phase?

L373[06:40:35] <boni> fry: technically you might need to bake manually in case of multimodels etc. since it's in the registry afterwards it can be tied to stuff

L374[06:40:57] <sham1> Can't you prebake inside tesr's constructor

L375[06:41:13] <boni> that... kinda defeats the purpose of a TESR

L376[06:41:39] <sham1> Not really if you want to do some fancy stuff with OGL while wanting to use models

L377[06:42:01] <boni> then you do the fancy stuff with OGL while the model is rendered like a block since it's static?

L378[06:42:08] <boni> otherwise you wouldn't be able to prebake it in the TESR constructor

L379[06:42:22] <sham1> Not if you for instance want to rotate that static model

L380[06:42:33] <tterrag> GL11.glRotatef(90, 0, 1, 0); model.render();

L381[06:42:37] <tterrag> oh look now TESR has a purpose

L382[06:42:38] <sham1> Yes

L383[06:42:47] <fry> boni: since you don't use the IMessageHandler part of AbstractPacket anywhere in the subclasses, why the hell is it in there at all? seriously? only for the NetworkWrapper convenience?

L384[06:43:01] <McJty> Yes, I found that I can avoid most of my TESR in 1.8.8

L385[06:43:07] <McJty> Except for a few cases like those

L386[06:43:17] <McJty> And also where I need to render in-world itemstacks (which is almost all my blocks :-)

L387[06:43:18] <sham1> Convenience wrapper around convenience wrapper o_O

L388[06:43:31] <boni> fry: pretty much, yes.

L389[06:43:37] <boni> you need one after all /o\

L390[06:43:39] <sham1> For in - world itemstack render

L391[06:43:54] <boni> tterrag: then you simply get the model out of the baked registry ;o

L392[06:44:05] <tterrag> but that's his problem

L393[06:44:10] <tterrag> it's not tied to any block/item so it's not baked

L394[06:44:18] <tterrag> the entire reason for this conversation

L395[06:44:28] <fry> boni: you are aware that your IMessageHandler can be refactored in 1 class, and used for all classes that extendAbstractpacket, so you wouldn't even need to use reflection to instantiate it?

L396[06:44:53] <boni> fry: nope. i just took the simplehandler thinige and adapted it to be threadsafe

L397[06:45:01] <boni> where can i find that stuff?

L398[06:45:06] <fry> what stuff?

L399[06:45:18] <boni> oh wait

L400[06:45:20] <boni> i get what you mean

L401[06:45:22] <boni> heh, yeah, that'd make sense

L402[06:45:26] <fry> https://github.com/SlimeKnights/Mantle/blob/1.8/src/main/java/slimeknights/mantle/network/NetworkWrapper.java#L48

L403[06:45:31] <fry> ya think?

L404[06:45:53] <fry> handler = new AbstractpacketMessageHandler();

L405[06:45:56] <tterrag> I do wish netty wasn't so reflection based

L406[06:46:05] <fry> it's fucking not

L407[06:46:14] <tterrag> sure...then why do I register my packets with class objects?

L408[06:46:17] <boni> fry: i just took what simplenetworkhandler and the old implementation gave me ;o

L409[06:46:31] <boni> thanks for pointing it out *writes on todo*

L410[06:46:34] <fry> tterrag: because constructors aren't functions until java8

L411[06:46:41] <tterrag> no, but they could use a factory

L412[06:46:46] <tterrag> like, was the standard in java for ages

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L414[06:47:16] <tterrag> and take an IMessageHandler instance instead of a class

L415[06:47:31] <sham1> Do you really want to use NettyPackerBeanFactoryAccumalatorBeanFactory

L416[06:47:40] <tterrag> if it means less reflection, yes

L417[06:47:49] <tterrag> and it would just be something like PacketCreator<MyPacket>

L418[06:48:03] <sham1> Reflection is not that bad of a thing

L419[06:48:04] <fry> tterrag: blame cpw for using reflection-based API in SimpleImpl

L420[06:48:22] <tterrag> sham1: requiring magic empty constructors is

L421[06:48:41] <sham1> Make an annotation for generating that

L422[06:48:54] <tterrag> use ASM to solve a problem created with reflection?

L423[06:48:54] <tterrag> hahaha

L424[06:49:05] <sham1> And it is not like nothing else requires magic empty constructors

L425[06:49:15] <sham1> See: beans

L426[06:49:16] <Unh0ly_Tigg> *cough* lombok *cough*

L427[06:49:28] <sham1> And those are officially mandated by oracle

L428[06:49:36] <Unh0ly_Tigg> @NoArgConstructor ftw

L429[06:50:07] <sham1> Not saying javabean are bad

L430[06:50:13] <sham1> Because they arent

L431[06:50:48] <Unh0ly_Tigg> For the F3 debug screen, when it's showing blockstate properties for the highlighted block, does it show unlisted properties?

L432[06:51:07] <sham1> I'd assume not

L433[06:51:17] <sham1> They are unlisted for a reason ;)

L434[06:51:37] <Unh0ly_Tigg> they're unlisted mainly for the blockstate map

L435[06:51:52] <Unh0ly_Tigg> so you can have more properties without crowding the map

L436[06:51:57] <sham1> That's because you really cannot serialize all of them into strings

L437[06:52:07] <sham1> Well yeah

L438[06:52:18] <sham1> But why not apply that logic to the debug screen

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L450[07:14:17] <michael_> Any simple example 1.8 mods? I just need some simple examples of items, blocks subitems and basic (SimpleNetworkWrapper) networking.

L451[07:14:43] <michael_> I can't find any tutorials that are up to date

L452[07:15:21] <sham1> https://github.com/sham1/ManaCraft

L453[07:15:24] <sham1> Handle with care

L454[07:16:00] <michael_> Wow some very descriptive commit messages...

L455[07:16:07] <michael_> Thanks

L456[07:16:17] <sham1> My commits are there to commit

L457[07:16:19] <sham1> Not to tell a tale

L458[07:17:48] <fry> git commit -m "Long ago, in a galaxy far away..."

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L460[07:17:56] <sham1> :P

L461[07:19:14] <sham1> at least my commits are not as long as the starwars things

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L463[07:20:09] <sham1> Anyway, I love how convenient curse is for making custom mod packs

L464[07:20:36] <McJty> For mods that are on curse at least :-)

L465[07:20:40] <McJty> Luckilly many are these days

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L467[07:21:34] <sham1> Well obviously

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L472[07:31:35] <michael_> Hey sham1, i'm doing basically the exact same thing as you are and I cant get my item texture loaded

L473[07:32:09] <sham1> Show your stuff

L474[07:32:30] <portablejim> Is there a way to register an item to have a particular texture for any damage/metadata value in 1.8?

L475[07:32:41] <sham1> Yes

L476[07:32:44] <michael_> Well I haven't commited it yet

L477[07:32:50] <sham1> Why would there not be a way

L478[07:39:58] <Hea3veN> portablejim: register variants of the item, then each variant will load a different item model

L479[07:40:25] <portablejim> I think I found it, using ItemMeshDefinition.

L480[07:40:33] <sham1> NOOOO

L481[07:40:40] <Hea3veN> use ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation

L482[07:40:44] <sham1> ^

L483[07:40:45] * McJty was waiting for the NOOOO :-)

L484[07:40:54] <Hea3veN> and ModelLoader.addVariantName

L485[07:41:29] <portablejim> I want all metadata values to have the same texture.

L486[07:41:37] <portablejim> Does that do that?

L487[07:41:49] <sham1> If you wany

L488[07:41:53] <McJty> portablejim, you can use put a default texture in the 'default' section

L489[07:42:18] <portablejim> What are the advantages of that over ItemMeshDefinition?

L490[07:42:30] <sham1> Proper way

L491[07:42:38] <McJty> That it is the proper way and avoids using things meant mostly for internal usage

L492[07:44:47] <portablejim> Any example of the default being used?

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L495[07:45:23] <michael_> here sham1, it's this is most of it. I just started porting, just copied a few files from 1.7 and commented all references to things I havent copied yet. https://gist.github.com/michael-3-141/c38c2075abd529554edb

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L497[07:45:58] <michael_> The localization is working

L498[07:46:05] <michael_> Textures are not

L499[07:47:11] <sham1> Dont you have a proper repo

L500[07:47:35] <michael_> Yes, but I just started porting and I haven't commited anything yet

L501[07:48:07] <Wuppy> ugh the day after game jams is so... dead

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L504[07:50:27] <portablejim> sham1: Can you help me get this working the proper way https://gist.github.com/portablejim/d6561faa751a0dd23a9b ?

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L507[07:50:55] <sham1> https://github.com/sham1/ManaCraft/blob/master/src/main/java/sham1/manacraft/client/ClientProxy.java#L15

L508[07:50:58] <sham1> Look for yerself

L509[07:52:13] <portablejim> Um, doing that does not do what I want to do.

L510[07:52:22] <sham1> How so

L511[07:52:28] <sham1> Be more specific please

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L513[07:53:12] <portablejim> The item is not damagable. The metadata of the item means something to the item, but the item should have the same texture for any arbitary metadata.

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L515[07:53:31] <sham1> Yes, and?

L516[07:54:14] <Hea3veN> he means doing something like https://github.com/hea3ven/BuildingBricks/blob/master/src/main/java/com/hea3ven/buildingbricks/core/ProxyClientBuildingBricks.java#L41-L43

L517[07:54:20] <Falkreon> so many block and item model shenanigans

L518[07:54:30] <sham1> yes, and

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L521[07:55:02] <michael_> Seriously you need to loop and register all possible damage values?!?

L522[07:55:03] <Falkreon> whoa, you're just offhandedly registering 1000 models

L523[07:55:05] <sham1> Just ModelLoader.setCustomModelResourceLocation if you do not have any better idea about implementation

L524[07:55:11] <Falkreon> way to abuse the system

L525[07:55:11] <portablejim> The setCustomModelResourceLocation does not do that, at least without a long loop (which seems dumb).

L526[07:55:44] <sham1> fry, help

L527[07:56:00] <fry> setCustomMeshDefinition

L528[07:56:06] <amadornes> o/

L529[07:56:15] <Hea3veN> well, there's no way to say that all meta will be the same model

L530[07:56:24] <fry> setCustomMeshDefinition

L531[07:56:26] <Falkreon> heaven- sure there is

L532[07:56:44] <Hea3veN> is that for items?

L533[07:56:48] <Falkreon> it's called registering it once with the one model

L534[07:57:00] <fry> yes, that's for items

L535[07:57:17] <portablejim> So, instead of ((ItemModelMesher)mesher).register I should use setCustomModelResourceLocation and instead of ItemMeshDefinition I should usesetCustomMeshDefinition?

L536[07:58:02] <diesieben07> setCustomMeshDefinition TAKES an ItemMeshDefinition

L537[07:58:16] <diesieben07> the point is to use ModelLoader, not ItemModelMesher

L538[07:58:35] <portablejim> Ah.

L539[07:58:37] <Hea3veN> well, I wrote that code before the ModelLoader had this methods

L540[07:58:52] <Falkreon> -_-

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L542[07:59:34] <Falkreon> alright, I'm amused though. I've seen enough of this go by that I need to put together a couple 1.8.8 blocks.

L543[07:59:41] <Falkreon> what do we actually need

L544[08:00:31] <Falkreon> seems like we have botania coming up, and some thin industrial coverage

L545[08:00:37] <Falkreon> in 1.8

L546[08:01:07] <sham1> some people will be left behind to bite the dust while the rest of us progress

L547[08:01:13] <Falkreon> indeed.

L548[08:01:16] <tterrag> if only all this was written down somewhere...some place central...easy to find...

L549[08:01:26] <sham1> readthedocs?

L550[08:01:32] <tterrag> that's it!

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L552[08:01:49] <sham1> But that takes too much effort to write there :C

L553[08:01:58] <Falkreon> tterrag, if there was a TFM to R that'd be awesome

L554[08:02:19] <tterrag> Falkreon: well it won't write itself

L555[08:02:25] <Falkreon> indeed.

L556[08:02:27] <tterrag> sham1: how so? is it more effort than normal writing?

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L558[08:02:42] <Falkreon> I need to throw together some test blocks, any ideas?

L559[08:02:45] <Hea3veN> someone should write a bot that parses this channel for questions and answers

L560[08:02:51] <sham1> Having to go through the process of making a PR out of it

L561[08:02:58] <sham1> I know I can just fork and stuff

L562[08:03:08] <sham1> BTW.

L563[08:03:11] <sham1> Does it use markdown

L564[08:03:14] <diesieben07> you know you can just click "edit" on gh right? :D

L565[08:03:14] <tterrag> yes

L566[08:03:17] <tterrag> ^

L567[08:03:20] <tterrag> but also ew

L568[08:03:25] <sham1> ^

L569[08:03:26] <tterrag> I'd hate to write docs on GH O.o

L570[08:03:27] <sham1> ^^

L571[08:03:28] <Falkreon> yeah, github edits are ew

L572[08:03:36] <tterrag> I use atom :P

L573[08:03:37] <diesieben07> well, you can't have everything

L574[08:03:39] <Falkreon> I like that it's markdown

L575[08:03:44] <tterrag> then again, I have push access

L576[08:03:45] <tterrag> sooo

L577[08:03:46] <sham1> I use Atom too

L578[08:03:47] <diesieben07> either make a fork, or don't...

L579[08:03:53] <sham1> Atom's very nice

L580[08:04:02] <tterrag> sham1: live inline markdown preview

L581[08:04:04] <tterrag> that's why I use it :P

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L583[08:04:07] <sham1> Yes

L584[08:04:12] <tterrag> http://puu.sh/lVciu.png

L585[08:04:23] <sham1> I use it for some coding and HTML/JS/CCSS

L586[08:04:31] <Wuppy> damn I can hardly stay awake :O

L587[08:04:34] <Wuppy> and it's 3PM :P

L588[08:04:43] <sham1> Here's an idea

L589[08:04:43] <Falkreon> wuppy- LD will do that

L590[08:04:52] <sham1> Maybe dont party every night

L591[08:04:52] <Falkreon> how are you even awake right now

L592[08:04:58] <sham1> And actually sleep

L593[08:05:07] <Falkreon> also I suck at your game.

L594[08:05:11] <Falkreon> now go sleep :P

L595[08:05:11] <Wuppy> Falkreon, I slept 8 hours :P

L596[08:05:40] <McJty> Hmm so it seems I cannot find a simple way to get my packet handling thread-safe if you're using a reply message.

L597[08:05:45] <sham1> I am so nervous

L598[08:05:47] <McJty> What's the best way to solve that?

L599[08:05:56] <sham1> you dont?

L600[08:05:57] <Wuppy> Falkreon, do you also like the gamE?

L601[08:05:59] <tterrag> McJty: you can't send a reply message in the networking thread?

L602[08:06:01] <McJty> i.e. client sends message to server to request data. Server calculates data and returns a reply message

L603[08:06:09] <Falkreon> ehh not really :/

L604[08:06:13] <Wuppy> :c

L605[08:06:15] <Wuppy> why not?

L606[08:06:16] <McJty> tterrag, no that doesn't work

L607[08:06:21] <tterrag> why not?

L608[08:06:24] <McJty> Because the calculation is not in the networking thread

L609[08:06:27] <McJty> If done right that is

L610[08:06:29] <tterrag> erm

L611[08:06:34] <Falkreon> it's kind of like how fast can you jam the small button before you get crushed

L612[08:06:39] <McJty> As the calculation touches MC data (tile entity)

L613[08:06:40] <Falkreon> and I hate being timed :/

L614[08:06:43] <tterrag> well, you'll just have to send the reply as a normal packet then

L615[08:06:47] <Wuppy> hehe

L616[08:06:48] <portablejim> Ok, so moving to ModelLoader is't working.

L617[08:06:55] <McJty> Yes, seems like that.

L618[08:07:04] <Falkreon> works great though

L619[08:07:11] <diesieben07> FMLs reply stuff is nothing else either :)

L620[08:07:17] <Hea3veN> portablejim: did you put it in preinit?

L621[08:07:31] <portablejim> In init.

L622[08:07:38] <McJty> diesieben07, yes but it was just easy to use it like that. Seems I can no longer do that safely in 1.8.8

L623[08:07:43] <sham1> put it to preInit

L624[08:07:46] <diesieben07> that is true

L625[08:07:59] <diesieben07> it should maybe be rewritten so that the return type is a Future

L626[08:08:44] <Falkreon> I dunno how I feel about Futures

L627[08:08:56] <Falkreon> it's kind of like indirect callbacks, which I like

L628[08:09:06] <McJty> Well I don't have to worry about them now. They are for the future :-)

L629[08:09:08] <portablejim> Putting it in preinit fixed it.

L630[08:09:15] <diesieben07> Futures are awesome :D

L631[08:09:27] <Falkreon> but... idk, I guess I'm suspicious of excessively functional paradigms

L632[08:09:28] <diesieben07> especially java 8 CompleteableFuture, but... java 8.

L633[08:09:32] <sham1> Promise me you dont say that diesieb

L634[08:09:39] <diesieben07> what sham?

L635[08:09:40] <Falkreon> diesieben07, retrolambda

L636[08:09:45] <sham1> They are promises

L637[08:09:51] <sham1> I tried to pun

L638[08:09:53] <diesieben07> retrolambda doesn't give you jdk 8 classes

L639[08:09:55] <diesieben07> oh duh

L640[08:10:05] <diesieben07> I am not sure I like the term promise very much :D

L641[08:10:13] <tterrag> and FutureTask from guava is the same more or less

L642[08:10:14] <tterrag> no?

L643[08:10:19] <diesieben07> ListenableFuture

L644[08:10:21] <diesieben07> and no it's not

L645[08:10:29] <diesieben07> you can attach listeners, but thats it

L646[08:10:39] <tterrag> I'm not very familiar with all that

L647[08:10:47] <diesieben07> CompleteableFuture has transforming and all kinds of useful things

L648[08:11:03] <Falkreon> I actually wrote a SharedFuture in the common lib we use for internal projects.

L649[08:11:03] <diesieben07> so you can say "when this future is done, execute *this* on *that* executor"

L650[08:11:06] <diesieben07> and it will give you a new future

L651[08:11:27] <Falkreon> which you can then feed to the CompleteableFuture things

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L653[08:11:52] <diesieben07> so you can basically write the code in a somewhat linear, synchronous style and it will run async

L654[08:12:02] <Falkreon> it was the only way I could reasonably think to pull together a bunch of related database queries

L655[08:12:18] <ghz|afk> so, yesterday I was trying to sleep and I had an idea

L656[08:12:20] <tterrag> diesieben07: yeah, that'd be nice for a project of mine

L657[08:12:23] <ghz|afk> but I don't know if it's already done

L658[08:12:25] <tterrag> currently I just have one big runnable :(

L659[08:12:26] <ghz|afk> or if it would be feasible

L660[08:12:28] <Falkreon> I'd much prefer to do the table merge on-sql, but I forget why this couldn't.

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L662[08:12:37] <gigaherz> the idea would be

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L664[08:13:09] <gigaherz> to make it so that when you throw an ender pearl, you get an overlay in the middle of the screen with the ender pearl's "point of view"

L665[08:13:13] <Falkreon> if you're thinking compressed cow blocks, that's already been done.

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L667[08:14:27] <diesieben07> gigaherz, that sounds fun and not too hard

L668[08:14:41] <Nitrodev> gigaherz, that sounds awesome

L669[08:14:43] <gigaherz> not too hard? hmm

L670[08:14:51] <gigaherz> I assumed drawing the overlay would be hellish

L671[08:14:54] <diesieben07> nah

L672[08:15:01] <diesieben07> you render the world twice

L673[08:15:03] <diesieben07> once to a texture

L674[08:15:07] <diesieben07> then you draw that texture

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L676[08:15:20] <gigaherz> yeah, didn't think "render the world twic" was a thing

L677[08:15:25] <gigaherz> but if it is, then I guess

L678[08:15:26] <diesieben07> there's even an API out there that does that for you, LookingGlass by xcompwiz

L679[08:15:30] <gigaherz> lol

L680[08:15:33] * gigaherz checks

L681[08:16:08] <gigaherz> ah it lets you draw other dimensions too!

L682[08:16:16] <gigaherz> then the other thing I was thinking was

L683[08:16:30] <gigaherz> if you threw "too far", such as using an ender pearl launcher

L684[08:16:43] <gigaherz> the ender pearl could possibly get into unloaded chunks

L685[08:16:59] <diesieben07> yeah afaik it handles all that for you

L686[08:17:05] <gigaherz> so a second feature could be to chunkload

L687[08:17:15] <diesieben07> it has a whole "multiple worlds on the client" system

L688[08:17:19] <gigaherz> yeah

L689[08:17:41] <gigaherz> 1.7 only though

L690[08:17:55] <diesieben07> oh

L691[08:17:59] <sham1> LookingGlass is used in Mystcraft AFAIk

L692[08:18:08] <MattDahEpic> in the books

L693[08:18:14] <sham1> yes

L694[08:18:18] <gigaherz> is it?

L695[08:18:21] <sham1> yes

L696[08:18:24] <gigaherz> the books have alwyas been empty for me

L697[08:18:25] <diesieben07> yes, that's why he made it

L698[08:18:25] <gigaherz> XD

L699[08:18:35] <sham1> It looks laggy

L700[08:18:39] <sham1> But smh

L701[08:18:43] <williewillus> they take a bit to show the preview in the book

L702[08:18:49] <williewillus> of time, that is

L703[08:18:53] <gigaherz> I guess i never waited long enough

L704[08:18:53] <gigaherz> XD

L705[08:19:02] <diesieben07> they probably look "laggy" because he's throttling the framerate

L706[08:19:05] <gigaherz> I assumedit was a screenshot taken when creating the book

L707[08:19:10] <diesieben07> to not tank performance completely

L708[08:19:17] <sham1> true enough

L709[08:19:30] <sham1> Seeing as modded MC is so intensive for both client and server

L710[08:19:35] <McJty> Note that (unless that has changed recently) it doesn't render entities and such at the destination dimension

L711[08:19:38] <diesieben07> because like, if you have to render the world twice it takes twice the time :D

L712[08:19:45] <diesieben07> really?

L713[08:19:46] <diesieben07> aww

L714[08:19:58] <McJty> Well it didn't at the time that XComp announced it

L715[08:19:58] <sham1> No remote survilance for Diesieb

L716[08:19:59] * diesieben07 has to rewrite it then

L717[08:20:03] <McJty> Not sure if it has been added since then

L718[08:20:10] <diesieben07> i was gonna use it

L719[08:20:16] <MattDahEpic> i recently started up an old skyrim save and i had to wonder: why do i have 18 pounds of frostbite spider venom?

L720[08:20:22] <diesieben07> but if that's the case then... no

L721[08:20:44] <McJty> diesieben07, don't take my word for it. Perhaps it got added

L722[08:20:54] <diesieben07> yeah

L723[08:21:13] * diesieben07 still suffers from NIH

L724[08:21:33] <Falkreon> lol

L725[08:21:48] <sham1> You're not the only one

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L727[08:22:03] <Falkreon> mattdahepic, I've been playing that a lot. My question is why aren't there mutually exclusive choices

L728[08:22:06] <Falkreon> like

L729[08:22:07] <sham1> I have a severe case of NIH as well

L730[08:22:39] <Falkreon> "hi, I'm the thane of every hold, plus the dragonborn, a companion, college archmage, assassin, thief, and generally terrible person"

L731[08:23:04] <Falkreon> It makes me suspect that I could be a vampire and a werewolf at the same time, though I don't care to try :/

L732[08:23:15] <michael_> You cant have NIH. You are modding a game. That you didn't make

L733[08:23:18] <sham1> Not that NIH is a bad thing in modding

L734[08:23:30] <gigaherz> yesyou can michael_

L735[08:23:33] <sham1> You dont want too many dependencies

L736[08:23:40] <gigaherz> it's the feeling that using other modder's libs and coremods is "not right"

L737[08:23:53] <gigaherz> I have modding-NIH

L738[08:23:55] <diesieben07> yup :)

L739[08:23:58] <diesieben07> exactly that

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L741[08:24:02] <gigaherz> I even felt wrong including the RF API!

L742[08:24:12] <Falkreon> NIH?

L743[08:24:16] <sham1> Not Invented Here

L744[08:24:29] <sham1> Basically a mindset where you want everything to be made by you

L745[08:24:32] <diesieben07> otoh i am making a modding lib intendeded to be used by anyone... :D

L746[08:24:35] <Falkreon> oh

L747[08:24:41] <Falkreon> it's like they invented a word for who I am

L748[08:24:48] <Falkreon> an acronym at least

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L750[08:25:05] <diesieben07> it even has a wiki article :D

L751[08:25:09] <sham1> I feel bad having a mod dependency

L752[08:25:12] <gigaherz> Falkreon: it's a human bias

L753[08:25:14] <Falkreon> I started out in pascal + inline asm doing software 3d

L754[08:25:15] <sham1> Because it is so restrictive

L755[08:25:21] <Falkreon> so I feel bad about using openGL

L756[08:25:23] <Falkreon> :D

L757[08:25:28] <gigaherz> almost everyone has some level of NIH

L758[08:25:42] <sham1> Forge and MC obviously are the only things I tolerate and dont feel bad about

L759[08:25:43] <diesieben07> well, some level of it is good

L760[08:25:46] <gigaherz> just some have severe NIG

L761[08:25:48] <gigaherz> NIH*

L762[08:26:01] <Falkreon> actually I didn't like software 3d very much, more often I was doing 2d

L763[08:26:02] <diesieben07> back in the ML days i was even hesitant to using forge :D

L764[08:26:13] <diesieben07> but once you start... you don't go back

L765[08:26:13] <gigaherz> Falkreon: but someone with severe NIH wouldn't mod minecraft

L766[08:26:17] <gigaherz> they'd feel the need to recreate MC

L767[08:26:22] <Falkreon> gigaherz, EVERY DAY

L768[08:26:22] <gigaherz> in order to add their own changes to it

L769[08:26:26] <gigaherz> instead of the real mc

L770[08:26:26] <gigaherz> XD

L771[08:26:29] <Falkreon> so much

L772[08:26:31] <Falkreon> ;_;

L773[08:26:41] <sham1> Well they have to draw the line at something

L774[08:26:46] <Falkreon> see also minetest and redpower

L775[08:26:49] <sham1> You cannot invent the universe just to have a apple pie

L776[08:26:56] <diesieben07> I haven't written this OS!

L777[08:26:58] <Falkreon> yeah, I mean

L778[08:27:00] <sham1> I've tried

L779[08:27:04] <diesieben07> I haven't designed this CPU

L780[08:27:04] <Falkreon> I'm using win10. Why?

L781[08:27:10] <michael_> You didn't invent irc

L782[08:27:11] <gigaherz> diesieben07: /me looks at his toy OS project

L783[08:27:15] <diesieben07> :D

L784[08:27:18] * gigaherz looks at #reactos

L785[08:27:21] <sham1> You and your ReactOS

L786[08:27:32] <Falkreon> because the longer I use kubuntu the more I want to rage and rewrite the whole thing

L787[08:27:33] <gigaherz> sham1: no I actually have my own kernel

L788[08:27:33] <gigaherz> XD

L789[08:27:34] <diesieben07> i don't mind software that i am just *using*

L790[08:27:42] <sham1> Does not even have guest addons yet

L791[08:27:49] <gigaherz> I started contributing to ros

L792[08:27:53] <gigaherz> after I failed to write my own

L793[08:27:55] <gigaherz> XD

L794[08:28:07] <gigaherz> "Opensource Windows is better than nothing"

L795[08:28:24] <Falkreon> opensource what now

L796[08:28:28] <sham1> Why not contribute to linux project

L797[08:28:39] <Falkreon> "linux project"

L798[08:28:45] <Falkreon> like there's a central repo that's linux

L799[08:28:46] <gigaherz> Falkreon: the ReactOS project is recreating the windows components using opensource code

L800[08:28:47] <sham1> Except for having to deal with Torwalds

L801[08:28:49] <Falkreon> and linuxers contribute to it

L802[08:28:53] <sham1> Torvalds*

L803[08:28:55] <McJty> Falkreon, well there is for the kernel

L804[08:28:58] <gigaherz> the whole NT-compatible kernel and drivers

L805[08:29:03] <gigaherz> along with win32 subsystem

L806[08:29:04] <sham1> I'm sorry, I cannot spell Swedish names

L807[08:29:06] <gigaherz> applications and services

L808[08:29:12] <gigaherz> it makes use of WINE for the usermode DLLs

L809[08:29:17] <Falkreon> I was gonna say

L810[08:29:20] <gigaherz> http://reactos.org/

L811[08:29:22] <Falkreon> sounds an awful lot like wineOS

L812[08:29:29] <gigaherz> and we are VERY close to releasing 0.4 ;P

L813[08:29:49] <sham1> I thought of contributing

L814[08:29:50] <gigaherz> https://reactos.org/ **

L815[08:29:53] <sham1> But then I saw it uses SVN

L816[08:29:55] <gigaherz> (https is better ;P)

L817[08:29:57] <sham1> And I was like NOPE

L818[08:30:13] <gigaherz> sham1: I tried to push for switching to git

L819[08:30:19] <gigaherz> but there was one developer who said

L820[08:30:24] <gigaherz> "if you use git, you'll lose me."

L821[08:30:26] <Falkreon> "The NT® architecture has always been highly flexible and powerful and its continued dominance in the computer industry means it is one of the most supported family of operating systems in existence, with its latest iteration being Windows 8."

L822[08:30:30] <diesieben07> we have to use SVN at uni :/

L823[08:30:33] <diesieben07> it's awful

L824[08:30:35] <gigaherz> so

L825[08:30:37] <Falkreon> you might want to rewrite some of this copy

L826[08:30:40] <gigaherz> we have the next best thing

L827[08:30:50] <gigaherz> which is a git-svn mirror

L828[08:30:51] <michael_> Is there any way to see updates to the model JSON real time?

L829[08:30:53] <sham1> Well you can interface with SVN via git so that is not a problem

L830[08:30:54] <gigaherz> read-only though

L831[08:31:02] <diesieben07> you can?

L832[08:31:03] <tterrag> diesieben07: yeah, I did as well

L833[08:31:07] <Falkreon> wat

L834[08:31:11] <tterrag> eclipse svn plugin helped

L835[08:31:12] <gigaherz> michael_: F3-T

L836[08:31:13] <tterrag> but I still hated it

L837[08:31:14] <Falkreon> I'm gone if there's no git.

L838[08:31:16] <Falkreon> hehe

L839[08:31:18] <diesieben07> tortoise SVN

L840[08:31:19] <tterrag> as I was already familiar with git at that point

L841[08:31:29] <gigaherz> diesieben07: github has a SVN bridge

L842[08:31:31] <Mimiru> michael_, just make sure your IDE is reloading assets on modify

L843[08:31:32] <diesieben07> i haven't even been able to get it to work on the command line in windows

L844[08:31:37] <diesieben07> but... i gave up trying :D

L845[08:31:38] <gigaherz> translates svn commits to single-commit pushes

L846[08:31:42] <diesieben07> ah

L847[08:31:44] <Mimiru> Then F3-T will work

L848[08:31:53] <sham1> Windows Command line sucks regardless

L849[08:31:53] <gigaherz> and reads individual commits on svn checkout

L850[08:32:04] <diesieben07> Mimiru, F3-S

L851[08:32:06] <gigaherz> the opposite is a git feature

L852[08:32:08] <gigaherz> git-svn

L853[08:32:14] <Mimiru> S?

L854[08:32:17] <gigaherz> "git svn fetch" "git svn dcommit"

L855[08:32:22] <Falkreon> sham1, gitbash?

L856[08:32:24] <Falkreon> :D

L857[08:32:31] <gigaherz> so yo ucan actually use a local git repository

L858[08:32:34] <gigaherz> while working with a svn server

L859[08:32:34] <sham1> umn ni

L860[08:32:39] <gigaherz> and if you have a bridge

L861[08:32:42] <gigaherz> you can do the opposite

L862[08:32:54] <diesieben07> regardless of if it sucks.. i would rather type "svn up" instead of opening tortoise svn

L863[08:32:55] <Falkreon> actually I'm not fond of how win terminals work in general.

L864[08:32:56] <sham1> Even xterm is better than CMD

L865[08:33:13] <sham1> And that is saying a lot

L866[08:33:20] <Falkreon> makes using ansi a pain.

L867[08:33:44] <diesieben07> afaik windows doesn't even support ansi does it

L868[08:33:51] <Falkreon> yes and no

L869[08:33:56] <Falkreon> their codes are messed up

L870[08:34:08] <diesieben07> ah

L871[08:34:08] <sham1> Windows was never meant as a OS for compitent computer users

L872[08:34:22] <Falkreon> so you can throw jansi onto your program and spit out codes

L873[08:34:28] <michael_> How do I get intellij to reload assets?

L874[08:34:30] <sham1> Yet they expect programmers to make programs for it

L875[08:34:34] <diesieben07> michael_, ctrl-f9

L876[08:34:37] <Falkreon> or spit out codes manually, but then instead of bright, colors come out bold.

L877[08:34:45] <diesieben07> mhm

L878[08:34:48] <diesieben07> i see

L879[08:35:06] <gigaherz> windows can do ansi

L880[08:35:19] <gigaherz> wait you mean color codes?

L881[08:35:20] <Falkreon> so it's been a real issue finding a set of codes that works in eclipse ansiterm AND windows

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L883[08:35:28] <Falkreon> gigaherz, color codes, yes.

L884[08:35:35] <gigaherz> ah no to those, then

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L886[08:35:43] <gigaherz> you need a custom terminal for that

L887[08:35:46] <michael_> diesieben07: Oh, tried that but I thought it didn't because it said classes are up to date and there's nothing to reload

L888[08:35:48] <Falkreon> technically yes to those. But the support is all messed up.

L889[08:35:57] <diesieben07> yes it does that but it still updates the resources

L890[08:35:59] <gigaherz> there's explicit functions for it

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L892[08:36:08] <gigaherz> to set the console color and such

L893[08:36:24] <sham1> Anyway, my modding adventures are going nicely in this modpack

L894[08:36:27] <gigaherz> anything else is an undocumented feature designed for the unix services addon

L895[08:36:29] <gigaherz> ;P

L896[08:36:37] <sham1> And I've fell in love with EnderIO

L897[08:37:01] <Falkreon> http://snag.gy/bNlux.jpg

L898[08:37:12] <Falkreon> sham1, That was basically inevitable

L899[08:37:21] <Falkreon> EnderIO is silky smooth

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L902[08:37:46] <tterrag> :D

L903[08:37:50] <Falkreon> I've spent some time with EIO and Opis

L904[08:37:51] <sham1> :P

L905[08:38:08] <tterrag> fry: would you mind a quick linear alg question? I have my exam today :D

L906[08:38:08] <Falkreon> and basically it takes about 10k EIO conduits to make one hopper

L907[08:38:17] <sham1> also, gotta love that 120 smooth FPS

L908[08:38:18] <tterrag> well, hoppers are pretty bad

L909[08:38:20] <fry> lol, ok, tterrag

L910[08:38:24] <Falkreon> ikr

L911[08:38:28] <gigaherz> hopper?

L912[08:38:35] <gigaherz> isn't that iron and chest? ;P

L913[08:38:36] <sham1> Okay, now it is about 400 FPS

L914[08:38:42] <sham1> when I took the cap off

L915[08:38:43] <Falkreon> gigaherz, yes, the same

L916[08:38:45] <tterrag> I'm trying to figure out something my linear book is saying

L917[08:38:45] <tterrag> the problem is diagonalizing [[4, -3], [2, -1]]

L918[08:38:45] <tterrag> for the eigenvalue 2, you row reduce to get [[2, -3, 0], [0, 0, 0]], which solves out to 2x-3y=0, of course

L919[08:38:45] <tterrag> but the eigen vector is [3,2], why is it not [2,3] ?

L920[08:38:49] <gigaherz> oh yuo mean lag-wise?

L921[08:38:51] <Falkreon> hoppers perform rediculously badly

L922[08:38:59] <Falkreon> yes, Opis is a TE lag profiler

L923[08:39:01] <gigaherz> hoppers have the entity checks

L924[08:39:12] <gigaherz> every tick they test for entities above itself

L925[08:39:30] <gigaherz> have many of those

L926[08:39:38] <williewillus> (apparently you can cut that out entirely by placing solid blocks above it

L927[08:39:42] <gigaherz> and you get dozens of entity searches

L928[08:39:46] <gigaherz> they kill performance badly ;P

L929[08:39:46] <williewillus> it skips the check if that's true

L930[08:39:54] <Falkreon> huh.

L931[08:39:55] <gigaherz> not solid,

L932[08:39:58] <tterrag> I wonder how a hopper compares to a vacuum chest

L933[08:39:59] <gigaherz> people place inventories on top

L934[08:40:01] <fry> tterrag: solution for 2x-3y=0 is [3, 2]?

L935[08:40:06] <gigaherz> furnaces or droppers

L936[08:40:15] <fry> not [2, 3]

L937[08:40:22] <gigaherz> not just any old solid block

L938[08:40:31] <gigaherz> apparently the hopper only looks for items, if it can't suck out of an inventory

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L940[08:40:34] <tterrag> fry: why? I must be missing something obvious

L941[08:40:43] <fry> x = 2, y = 3 :P

L942[08:40:50] <fry> doi

L943[08:40:54] <fry> x = 3, y = 2

L944[08:41:09] <Falkreon> still, I feel like most of hoppers being awful is implementation, not design.

L945[08:41:18] <fry> http://gfycat.com/SingleExhaustedKronosaurus

L946[08:41:33] <sham1> QED

L947[08:41:48] <sham1> Quadtratic Equation Desipher

L948[08:41:59] <Falkreon> fry- ooh

L949[08:42:14] <Falkreon> now you just need some nice textures

L950[08:42:17] <williewillus> what wm is that?

L951[08:42:22] <fry> awesome

L952[08:43:01] <fry> Falkreon: I don't care about the model itself, I'm making the animation system; models are json :P

L953[08:43:25] <Falkreon> hm

L954[08:43:34] <Falkreon> why does it feel like linear interpolation

L955[08:43:37] <williewillus> docs pls ;)

L956[08:43:46] <Falkreon> instead of sine-wave

L957[08:44:15] <Falkreon> for periodic motion, it's really hard to beat sine waves

L958[08:44:38] <fry> yes, this is linear

L959[08:44:49] <fry> because it's simple and fast :P

L960[08:44:59] <Falkreon> eh?

L961[08:45:06] <sham1> at least simple

L962[08:45:11] <fry> and the cycle is just a list of samples

L963[08:45:21] <fry> I don't want to hardcode sin into the system

L964[08:45:22] <Falkreon> yeah, sine waves tablize easily

L965[08:45:22] <michael_> what order are the rotation angles in the model json file?

L966[08:45:37] <williewillus> michael_: x, y, z :p

L967[08:45:39] <gigaherz> lol williewillus, I just saw your retweet of https://twitter.com/Swaps4/status/676342505911271426

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L969[08:46:25] <williewillus> lol yup the pinnacle application of recognition technology

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L973[08:47:57] <gigaherz> fry: looks nice ;P

L974[08:48:03] <gigaherz> segmented?

L975[08:48:35] <gigaherz> of vertex modification ;P

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L977[08:49:11] <fry> hmm?

L978[08:49:37] <McJty> fry, if you have submodels that render in a different layer (like CUTOUT) you cannot do this properly in the same blockstate.json right? One solution is to use a TESR. Is there another solution that is more 'proper'?

L979[08:49:51] <McJty> In my case both the model and submodel are static

L980[08:49:54] <McJty> they are just in different layers

L981[08:50:01] <fry> you'll need a smart model

L982[08:50:14] <fry> sadly, right now layers are tied to the Block class, and not to the model

L983[08:50:19] <gigaherz> fry: when the thing raises, it shows the redstone bit in between, I was wondering how that works

L984[08:50:41] <sham1> they are animated in unison

L985[08:50:44] <sham1> That's weird'

L986[08:50:58] <McJty> fry, and how would that work then? How is the block linked to second smart block model?

L987[08:50:59] <sham1> BTW Fry

L988[08:51:02] <sham1> What DE is that

L989[08:51:08] <williewillus> awesome wm :p

L990[08:51:10] <McJty> fry, I assume the normal model is still defined as usual in the blockstate.json?

L991[08:51:15] <Ivorius> http://puu.sh/lVepM/600057c599.png

L992[08:51:16] <Ivorius> Daamn

L993[08:51:18] <fry> gigaherz: swapping the middle element at the right time, and hiding another one in the base :P

L994[08:51:22] <Ivorius> No reason to get dramatic lol

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L996[08:51:35] <gigaherz> fry: lol

L997[08:51:43] <gigaherz> so segmented then ;P

L998[08:51:57] <heldplayer> inb4 segfault

L999[08:51:59] <fry> McJty: yes, you can load 2 models from blockstate, and combine them at runtime

L1000[08:52:07] <fry> gigaherz: yup, in that sense :P

L1001[08:52:27] <sham1> segfaults are actually about paging

L1002[08:52:57] <sham1> The name is a hold over from the time when segmentation was the main way to protect memory

L1003[08:52:58] <McJty> fry, do you have an example of that?

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L1005[08:53:26] <Falkreon> I love when egit projects have an error box next to them but then build successfully and don't tell you what the error is

L1006[08:53:38] <Falkreon> that's super helpful folks

L1007[08:54:10] <tterrag> egit doesn't have anything to do with the build

L1008[08:54:23] <tterrag> if you aren't seeing a problem, click on the project then look at the problems tab

L1009[08:54:32] <fry> McJty: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/master/src/test/java/net/minecraftforge/debug/LayerBreakingTest.java

L1010[08:54:34] <Falkreon> it's not making one.

L1011[08:54:47] <McJty> fry, thanks!

L1012[08:54:55] <Falkreon> in any case, the fix is to try a gradle build from the commandline

L1013[08:55:12] <Falkreon> resolve any problems and then head back to eclipse. But it's annoying that it can't just tell me what's wrong.

L1014[08:55:16] <tterrag> ehh what

L1015[08:55:21] <tterrag> it may just be desync, refresh the pro ject

L1016[08:55:29] <diesieben07> hehe eclipse.

L1017[08:55:39] <williewillus> just use command line :p

L1018[08:55:48] <fry> McJty: lines 204-218 are the meat; you don't need TestBakedModel though, just return one of the 2 models you can get from BlockModelShapes

L1019[08:55:49] <Falkreon> tterag, tried it but thanks, that's always a hassle too.

L1020[08:56:18] <McJty> fry, yes was already looking at that method.

L1021[08:56:37] <williewillus> i've always found ide git support to be bleh

L1022[08:57:28] <Falkreon> d'oh. you know, I need to actually have a profile installed with that forge version

L1023[08:57:29] <Falkreon> brb

L1024[08:57:44] <gigaherz> hmmm

L1025[08:57:50] <gigaherz> is there any mod that adds knockback to slimes? ;P

L1026[08:58:11] <williewillus> they don't have knockback?

L1027[08:58:25] <gigaherz> not enough ;P

L1028[08:58:58] <williewillus> its knocked back like any other mob :p

L1029[08:59:02] <williewillus> they just hop fast

L1030[08:59:06] <gigaherz> no I mean

L1031[08:59:09] <gigaherz> so that when they call

L1032[08:59:10] <gigaherz> fall

L1033[08:59:15] <gigaherz> they knock back any entity around them

L1034[08:59:21] <gigaherz> the bigger the stronger the knockback they apply

L1035[08:59:23] <williewillus> ah

L1036[08:59:51] <williewillus> still waiting for the client knockback visual bug from 1.3 to be fixed :D

L1037[09:00:09] <Falkreon> > File '~\.gradle\caches\minecraft\net\minecraftforge\forge\1.8-11.

L1038[09:00:09] <Falkreon> 14.4.1563\unpacked\conf\packaged.srg' specified for property 'inSrg' does not ex

L1039[09:00:09] <Falkreon> ist.

L1040[09:00:13] <Falkreon> argh

L1041[09:00:15] <Falkreon> why lines, why

L1042[09:00:31] <williewillus> (the little jolt-tilt that happens when you take damage used to indicate where the damage came from)

L1043[09:00:32] <Falkreon> what am I doing wrong here

L1044[09:01:31] <Falkreon> I've installed and ran a minecraft profile on that forge version

L1045[09:01:42] <Falkreon> and this error is on setupdecompworkspace

L1046[09:02:20] <Falkreon> --refresh-dependencies completes normally.

L1047[09:03:09] <Falkreon> so I should have the searge mappings where they belong... right?

L1048[09:03:12] <gigaherz> last I heard "--refresh-dependencies" was useless?

L1049[09:03:30] <Falkreon> lol... I find it quite useful, but here it's not helping.

L1050[09:03:31] <theresajayne> is there a way to find the Spawn location in overworld?

L1051[09:04:00] <gigaherz> yes

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L1053[09:04:08] <theresajayne> how?

L1054[09:04:19] <gigaherz> I don't know from memory

L1055[09:04:19] <gigaherz> XD

L1056[09:04:31] <diesieben07> world.getSpawnPoint

L1057[09:04:54] <gigaherz> ah just that? XD

L1058[09:04:56] <Falkreon> and then of course there'll be some fuzz, which is also available.

L1059[09:05:33] <diesieben07> yeah that's getSpawnFuzz in the WorldType

L1060[09:05:37] <Falkreon> mhm.

L1061[09:06:24] <Falkreon> I kind of wish Minecraft made better use of Random::nextGaussian

L1062[09:06:47] <Falkreon> they're always taking two floats and subtracting one or something

L1063[09:06:59] <Falkreon> egh.. doubles normally I think.

L1064[09:07:16] <sham1> Stupid question time

L1065[09:07:32] <sham1> Any way to get the reference to the world from WorldSaveData

L1066[09:08:31] <McJty> Probably not as WorldSavedData is not always tied to a single world

L1067[09:08:36] <McJty> The global data is tied to all of them

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L1069[09:08:42] <diesieben07> ^

L1070[09:09:02] <diesieben07> the thing is, to even *get* the WorldSavedData instance you need the world

L1071[09:09:05] <diesieben07> so you already have it

L1072[09:09:27] <Falkreon> odd.

L1073[09:09:55] <Falkreon> it DID make a ~\.gradle\caches\minecraft\net\minecraftforge\forge\1.8-11.14.4.1563\unpacked

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L1075[09:10:05] <Falkreon> but there's no conf folder

L1076[09:10:23] <gigaherz> McJty: you need to use "world.mapStorage" from *any* dimension to get to the data so... ;p

L1077[09:10:32] <MattDahEpic> for some reason i still cant figure out how to get my textures to work past the first item: https://github.com/MattDahEpic/ExtraRecords/blob/1.8.8/src/main/java/com/mattdahepic/extrarecords/ClientProxy.java

L1078[09:10:34] <gigaherz> (for the global one, that is)

L1079[09:10:37] <McJty> gigaherz, indeed

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L1082[09:14:29] <Unh0ly_Tigg> MattDahEpic, they're all using different item ids as well as different metadata, you need to consolidate most if not all of the meta items into 1 item id...

L1083[09:14:38] <Unh0ly_Tigg> for starters

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L1085[09:15:22] <sham1> The only reason I even need to access a world is so I can validate different network nodes

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L1087[09:16:07] <sham1> for if they are present they will stay as part of the network and be saved to the disk unless they get invalidated

L1088[09:19:12] <Falkreon> aha, I need ForgeGradle 2.0.2.

L1089[09:19:28] <sham1> 2.1 if you want 1.8.8

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L1091[09:20:48] <Falkreon> oh.

L1092[09:21:17] <Falkreon> what's the equivalent forge version for that? It's probably not 1563

L1093[09:21:36] <Falkreon> 1628?

L1094[09:21:48] <Falkreon> 11.15.0.1628*

L1095[09:22:41] <Falkreon> alright, I think I'm on top of this.

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L1098[09:27:31] <Falkreon> I wish they'd be consistent

L1099[09:27:38] <Falkreon> with their version naming

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L1101[09:28:36] <gigaherz> Falkreon: anything 1.8.8 needs FG2.1

L1102[09:28:39] <Falkreon> it's gone from "1.8.8-11.15.0.1628-1.8.8" to "1.8.8-11.15.0.1628" and back again over the past few months

L1103[09:28:47] <Falkreon> not 1.8.8 itself

L1104[09:28:52] <gigaherz> that's the tagname

L1105[09:29:00] <Falkreon> but 1.8 doesn't have the trailing 1.8

L1106[09:29:01] <gigaherz> mcversion-forgeversion-branchname

L1107[09:29:07] <gigaherz> because1.8 is master

L1108[09:29:11] <gigaherz> and 1.8.8 is branch 1.8.8

L1109[09:29:17] <Falkreon> I see :/

L1110[09:29:22] <gigaherz> it only appends the branch for non-master branches

L1111[09:30:02] <Falkreon> wut... what is MISSING REPLACEMENT DATA FOR MAPPING_CHANNEL

L1112[09:30:35] <Falkreon> why am I getting this now? Srsly, this isn't this hard.

L1113[09:30:52] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/build.gradle

L1114[09:30:58] <gigaherz> you need fg 2.1-SNAPSHOT

L1115[09:31:03] <gigaherz> and recent enough mappings

L1116[09:31:05] <gigaherz> for 1.8.8

L1117[09:31:17] <gigaherz> anything from 1129 onwards will do as mappings

L1118[09:31:23] <Falkreon> classpath 'net.minecraftforge.gradle:ForgeGradle:2.1-SNAPSHOT'

L1119[09:31:29] <Falkreon> ^ in dependencies

L1120[09:31:53] <Falkreon> version = "1.8.8-11.15.0.1628-1.8.8"

L1121[09:31:57] <Falkreon> ^ in minecraft

L1122[09:32:20] <Falkreon> it's got the repos or we wouldn't be getting this far

L1123[09:32:51] <Falkreon> erm?

L1124[09:32:58] <Falkreon> There are some things here I don't recognize

L1125[09:33:08] <gigaherz> ignore the bit about the jar stuffs

L1126[09:33:10] <Falkreon> probably new in forgegradle

L1127[09:33:11] <williewillus> you need a mappings = <blah> line

L1128[09:33:17] <Falkreon> yeah, that's what I'm seeing

L1129[09:33:26] <Falkreon> didn't need that in 1.7, but it makes a lot of sense

L1130[09:33:30] <gigaherz> lines 20 to 36 are custom

L1131[09:33:37] <gigaherz> and lines 41-51

L1132[09:33:42] <gigaherz> 48*

L1133[09:33:56] <gigaherz> uh?

L1134[09:33:59] <gigaherz> yes you did?

L1135[09:34:00] <Falkreon> throwing a mappings line into there

L1136[09:34:06] <williewillus> gigaherz: I didn't :p

L1137[09:34:06] <Falkreon> nope.

L1138[09:34:11] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/Ender-Rift/blob/master/build.gradle

L1139[09:34:13] <williewillus> at least on RB's

L1140[09:34:15] <gigaherz> 1.7.10 had the mappings line

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L1142[09:34:27] <gigaherz> hmm

L1143[09:34:27] <gigaherz> or not

L1144[09:34:28] <gigaherz> :/

L1145[09:34:46] * gigaherz shrugs

L1146[09:34:48] <gigaherz> too many versions.

L1147[09:34:49] <Falkreon> aand we're off.

L1148[09:34:53] <Falkreon> mappings was it.

L1149[09:35:49] <MattDahEpic> !gf Minecraft.defaultResourcePacks 1.8.8

L1150[09:35:58] <gigaherz> Falkreon: if setupDEcompWorkspace runs out of memory

L1151[09:36:00] <gigaherz> don't despair

L1152[09:36:04] <Falkreon> lol

L1153[09:36:07] <gigaherz> run gradle standalone

L1154[09:36:08] <Falkreon> runs out of memory?

L1155[09:36:13] <gigaherz> and if necessary, give the jvm extra ram

L1156[09:36:14] <gigaherz> ;P

L1157[09:36:20] <Falkreon> I never use gradlew

L1158[09:36:23] <Falkreon> ever

L1159[09:36:26] <gigaherz> why not?

L1160[09:36:37] <Falkreon> because I almost always have a more recent version

L1161[09:36:52] <Falkreon> and if not, build errors should tell me to update my gradle

L1162[09:37:05] <gigaherz> well either way

L1163[09:37:10] <gigaherz> if it does run out of memory, give it extra ;P

L1164[09:37:21] <Falkreon> didn't run out

L1165[09:37:28] <gigaherz> good

L1166[09:37:29] <gigaherz> ;P

L1167[09:37:32] <Falkreon> X)

L1168[09:38:06] <williewillus> lol

L1169[09:38:23] <williewillus> why did it run out of memory that one time?

L1170[09:39:01] <gigaherz> the decompiler step somehow takes way more ram than it used to before

L1171[09:39:10] <gigaherz> (or took, or whatever)

L1172[09:41:45] <Falkreon> so ideally, the naming convention for modid's is all-lowercase?

L1173[09:41:52] <Wuppy> yes

L1174[09:41:54] <Falkreon> because I've been seeing a lot of offenders

L1175[09:41:56] <Falkreon> X)

L1176[09:42:33] <Wuppy> there's always people braking the rules

L1177[09:42:48] <Wuppy> my tutorials also break a few

L1178[09:43:01] <gigaherz> lowercase is recommended, saves you a bunch of .toLower() all over the place

L1179[09:43:09] <Falkreon> yeah

L1180[09:43:19] <gigaherz> another recommendation is to include your modid in the unlocalized string

L1181[09:43:21] <gigaherz> s

L1182[09:43:41] <gigaherz> instead of "youritem" you use "yourmod.youritem", to avoid conflicts with other mods having items with the same name

L1183[09:43:49] <Wuppy> ^ very important

L1184[09:43:52] <Falkreon> wut

L1185[09:43:56] <Falkreon> but they're namespaced

L1186[09:44:04] <gigaherz> nope

L1187[09:44:05] <gigaherz> not lang files

L1188[09:44:16] <gigaherz> lang entries are global

L1189[09:44:43] <Falkreon> so, this is why I always see people registering blocks like modid:modid.blockname

L1190[09:44:51] <gigaherz> that's people being idiots

L1191[09:45:01] <gigaherz> there's still people who insist on doing

L1192[09:45:12] <gigaherz> registerItem(item, item.getUnlocalizedName().substring)

L1193[09:45:15] <gigaherz> that's REALLY bad practice.

L1194[09:45:24] <Falkreon> heh\

L1195[09:45:35] <Falkreon> I tend to like having a root type

L1196[09:45:55] <Falkreon> so I'll say new FooBlock(rootName, IconSet, Material)

L1197[09:46:31] <Falkreon> then the rootName becomes "tile."+rootName for unlocalizedName

L1198[09:46:34] <Falkreon> etc

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L1201[09:47:12] <Falkreon> it also makes it easier to encapsulate the registration in the block

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L1203[09:47:20] <Falkreon> which knows whether there are related tileEntities, etc

L1204[09:47:41] <gigaherz> "tile." is added by getUnloc

L1205[09:47:46] <gigaherz> so all you need to do is

L1206[09:47:49] <Falkreon> I know.

L1207[09:47:58] <gigaherz> setUnlocalizedName(MODID + "." + rootName)

L1208[09:48:29] <oitsjustjose> Any idea why gradle fails to setupDecompWorkspace because of a PatchException?

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L1210[09:48:53] <Falkreon> so the actual pattern I'm on right now is FOOCONSTANT = new FooBlock(rootName, IconSet, Material).setTranslucent(true).setHardness(9001).register();

L1211[09:49:24] <MattDahEpic> hmmm my sounds dont seem to work, any halp: https://github.com/MattDahEpic/ExtraRecords/blob/1.8.8/src/main/java/com/mattdahepic/extrarecords/ExtraRecords.java#L50

L1212[09:49:29] <gigaherz> I like to use lowercase for instances

L1213[09:49:30] <gigaherz> XD

L1214[09:49:31] <Falkreon> I'm being transparent here because this is a new project in a new version, and we have plenty of excuses to change

L1215[09:49:36] <gigaherz> MyMod.itemSomething

L1216[09:49:37] <Falkreon> gigaherz- static field

L1217[09:49:39] <gigaherz> MyMod.blockSomething

L1218[09:49:47] <gigaherz> to go along with like

L1219[09:49:49] <gigaherz> Blocks.dirt

L1220[09:49:50] <diesieben07> static fields aren't all uppercase

L1221[09:49:56] <diesieben07> true constants are all uppercase

L1222[09:50:02] <gigaherz> all-uppercase is meant for constants

L1223[09:50:05] <Falkreon> I want to treat these like constants.

L1224[09:50:07] <gigaherz> (static final)

L1225[09:50:08] <Falkreon> they're defined once

L1226[09:50:09] <diesieben07> if you have a (mutable!) HashMap in a static final, its still not a constant

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L1228[09:50:24] <gigaherz> diesieben07: EVENT_BUS? ;P

L1229[09:50:34] <Falkreon> I just can't have them be static final if they're not initialized in the static block

L1230[09:50:35] <diesieben07> is a bad name :D

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L1232[09:50:52] <Falkreon> so they're static final in everything but name.\

L1233[09:50:53] <diesieben07> Falkreon, you can't do the register in a static block

L1234[09:50:58] <Falkreon> I know that.

L1235[09:51:14] <Falkreon> so I do all that in preInit, and then recipes in postInit

L1236[09:51:23] <diesieben07> init is fine for recipes

L1237[09:51:39] <Falkreon> diesie, in a lot of cases I want to check if other mods have registered blocks

L1238[09:51:46] <diesieben07> and?

L1239[09:51:46] <Falkreon> or Loader.isLoaded

L1240[09:51:52] <diesieben07> blocks are registered in preInit

L1241[09:51:55] <diesieben07> so doing it in init is fine

L1242[09:52:34] <Falkreon> fair. I just want to build a hedge around mod compatibility just in case.

L1243[09:52:43] <gigaherz> there's a few exceptions, where mod blocks depend on other mods' blocks

L1244[09:52:49] <Falkreon> mhm.

L1245[09:52:50] <gigaherz> but you just can't expect to handle those

L1246[09:52:51] <diesieben07> doing recipes in postInit is probably a bad idea

L1247[09:52:59] <Falkreon> oh?

L1248[09:52:59] <gigaherz> it doens't work out.

L1249[09:53:05] <gigaherz> preinit: register blocks

L1250[09:53:07] <diesieben07> giga, i don't think you even CAN register blocks beyond preInit

L1251[09:53:09] <gigaherz> init: register recipes

L1252[09:53:19] <Falkreon> you can, I've tested it diesie

L1253[09:53:20] <gigaherz> postinit: mess with other mods' recipes

L1254[09:53:32] <williewillus> just bc you can doesn't mean you *should* lol

L1255[09:53:35] <gigaherz> diesieben07: I have heard of mods adding blocks/items in post-init

L1256[09:53:36] <diesieben07> but how do you mess with the mess :D

L1257[09:53:36] <Falkreon> indeed

L1258[09:53:39] <diesieben07> oh god

L1259[09:53:43] <gigaherz> because one of their dependencies added them in init

L1260[09:53:48] <Falkreon> bleh

L1261[09:53:59] <gigaherz> as I said

L1262[09:54:00] <Falkreon> Alright, well

L1263[09:54:02] <gigaherz> you can't continue that chain.

L1264[09:54:03] <williewillus> portalgun apparently adds recipes on serverstart since the client receives the config from server :p

L1265[09:54:09] <sham1> Welp, found a way to access the world from my thing

L1266[09:54:17] <sham1> As long as I have the dimID

L1267[09:54:23] <sham1> I can access the world of that ID

L1268[09:54:27] <gigaherz> you need Inter-mod Communications

L1269[09:54:28] <MattDahEpic> i add recipes on serverstart due to configs

L1270[09:54:31] <Falkreon> I'm fine with doing it in init if it makes people panic less.

L1271[09:54:40] <diesieben07> if you have store the dim id you might as well just store the world

L1272[09:54:40] <gigaherz> cooperate with other mod authors

L1273[09:54:48] <gigaherz> then use the forge IMC system

L1274[09:54:56] <gigaherz> to notify and/or get notified

L1275[09:54:58] <sham1> How the hell do I store the world in NBT data

L1276[09:55:05] <gigaherz> when the other mods' blocks are ready

L1277[09:55:07] <Falkreon> yeah, I've actually got IMC planned for some heat registration things.

L1278[09:55:19] <diesieben07> oh in NBT

L1279[09:55:22] <sham1> Yes

L1280[09:55:23] <diesieben07> yeah dimensino ID then :D

L1281[09:55:30] <diesieben07> but at runtime you can have the World

L1282[09:55:47] <sham1> And this makes it so that my mana networks can be cross-dimentional

L1283[09:55:49] <sham1> Ye

L1284[09:55:51] <gigaherz> writeToNBT -> store id, readFromNBT -> world from id

L1285[09:55:51] <sham1> At runtime

L1286[09:56:01] <oitsjustjose> I can't run setupDecompWorkspace .... it always fails with a patch exception. Any clue why?

L1287[09:56:11] <gigaherz> oitsjustjose: MC version?

L1288[09:56:13] <gigaherz> mappings version?

L1289[09:56:14] <sham1> But I do this purely for loading all the nodes from NBT, which means I can use that time to validate their existance

L1290[09:56:17] <gigaherz> forgegradle version?

L1291[09:56:23] <williewillus> make sure the mc version matches the forge youre trying to do lol

L1292[09:56:37] <gigaherz> best choice is probably

L1293[09:56:42] <gigaherz> to start over with a new build.gradle

L1294[09:56:53] <oitsjustjose> guess so, I'll try that I suppose.

L1295[09:56:53] <gigaherz> and copy over your modid and package id

L1296[09:57:00] <gigaherz> and version

L1297[09:57:08] <oitsjustjose> well, I've got a few custom things in build.gradle actually..

L1298[09:57:13] <oitsjustjose> but I'll copy it all over

L1299[09:57:16] <Falkreon> well, in any case

L1300[09:57:38] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/build.gradle

L1301[09:57:42] <Falkreon> I use caps for blocks because I *treat* them like static final fields. They're a hint not to modify.

L1302[09:57:44] <gigaherz> this is my simply-but-nice build.gradle

L1303[09:57:45] <gigaherz> XD

L1304[09:57:52] <gigaherz> for 1.8.8

L1305[09:58:18] <oitsjustjose> Nope, just redownloaded the entire forge MDK and it still errors

L1306[09:58:36] <oitsjustjose> I've done clean and cleanCache already

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L1308[09:58:50] <gigaherz> oitsjustjose: what version of mc?

L1309[09:58:53] <gigaherz> 1.8.8?

L1310[09:58:57] <oitsjustjose> yup

L1311[09:59:00] <gigaherz> latest forge?

L1312[09:59:04] <oitsjustjose> yup

L1313[09:59:28] <gigaherz> well I just did an update to latest forge with latest mappings, and it worked

L1314[09:59:29] <gigaherz> XD

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L1317[09:59:52] <oitsjustjose> crap :|

L1318[09:59:57] <oitsjustjose> well then I have no clue

L1319[09:59:58] <gigaherz> hmmm

L1320[10:00:04] <gigaherz> wait

L1321[10:00:14] <gigaherz> did you also use the gradle folder and gradlew files?

L1322[10:00:23] <gigaherz> maybe you are using an old gradle wrapper

L1323[10:00:32] <oitsjustjose> I'm using whatever ships with forge right now

L1324[10:00:35] <MattDahEpic> well economics class i think your thirty pairs of jeans example isnt very accurate

L1325[10:00:42] <oitsjustjose> 2.7

L1326[10:00:46] <gigaherz> hmm

L1327[10:00:52] <gigaherz> no idea then :/

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L1329[10:00:59] <oitsjustjose> I should just go ahead and install Gradle anyways

L1330[10:00:59] <gigaherz> !!latest

L1331[10:01:00] <MCPBot_Reborn> === Latest Mappings ===

L1332[10:01:01] <MCPBot_Reborn> MC Version Forge Gradle Channel

L1333[10:01:02] <MCPBot_Reborn> 1.8.8 snapshot_20151214

L1334[10:01:02] <MCPBot_Reborn> 1.8 snapshot_20151128

L1335[10:01:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> 1.8 stable_18

L1336[10:01:04] <MCPBot_Reborn> 1.7.10 snapshot_20140925

L1337[10:01:05] <MCPBot_Reborn> 1.7.10 stable_12

L1338[10:01:10] <Falkreon> MattDahEpic, BUT I NEED THEM OR I WILL DIE OF FASHION WITHDRAWAL

L1339[10:01:11] <gigaherz> maybe if you use latest 1.8.8 mappings instead of the ones included

L1340[10:01:27] <oitsjustjose> Trying that.

L1341[10:02:41] <oitsjustjose> Nope :|

L1342[10:02:52] <oitsjustjose> Let me see if it works in my Linux VM

L1343[10:02:56] <gigaherz> no idea then

L1344[10:03:10] <gigaherz> maybe someone in #forgegradle can help (if there's anyone there ;P)

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L1352[10:09:16] <Falkreon> https://github.com/falkreon/Engination alright, so a truly wise person learns from other peoples' mistakes, putting this thing online like yesterday ^_^

L1353[10:10:00] <Falkreon> feel free to yell at me for coding style, smurf-naming, etc

L1354[10:10:10] <Falkreon> because right now it's smurf-naming.

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L1356[10:11:57] <Falkreon> (these are the things I knew would collide with e.g. net.minecraft.init.Blocks

L1357[10:12:34] <Falkreon> and be a huge pain if trying to work with both block objectholder-type classes

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L1360[10:14:33] <gigaherz> I don't really like this "over-organization" of having special classes just for registering blocks/items/recipes

L1361[10:14:33] <gigaherz> XD

L1362[10:14:38] <oitsjustjose> heh, so I rebooted and installed gradle system-wide, and now it's working... weird.

L1363[10:14:55] <gigaherz> weird

L1364[10:14:58] <Falkreon> well

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L1366[10:15:14] <oitsjustjose> Maybe forge now needs to ship with newer builds of gradle? I'm on 2.9

L1367[10:15:27] <gigaherz> 2.7 should work

L1368[10:15:31] <oitsjustjose> You would think.

L1369[10:15:35] <gigaherz> I mean

L1370[10:15:46] <Falkreon> it depends on how many blocks/items you're registering

L1371[10:15:46] <gigaherz> I believe the MDK uses 2.7 and it works for me

L1372[10:15:47] <gigaherz> ;p

L1373[10:16:25] <Falkreon> and it's really more so, when it comes to recipes, I can go EnginationBlocks.ASBESTOS

L1374[10:16:39] <gigaherz> Falkreon: then I'd use a method for it instead of just having them in preinit

L1375[10:16:47] <gigaherz> but I'd still have that stuff in the @Mod class

L1376[10:16:47] <gigaherz> XD

L1377[10:16:50] <Falkreon> ?

L1378[10:16:57] <Falkreon> that'd be sheer spaghetti

L1379[10:17:00] <gigaherz> instead of creating a whole file for it

L1380[10:17:16] <gigaherz> better than ravioli code ;p

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L1382[10:17:24] <Falkreon> like, if you're rocking 20-30 block IDs

L1383[10:17:30] <gigaherz> that's nothing XD

L1384[10:17:32] <gigaherz> just what

L1385[10:17:34] <Falkreon> ik

L1386[10:17:35] <gigaherz> 60 lines in your preinit?

L1387[10:17:43] <gigaherz> ;P

L1388[10:17:48] <gigaherz> not even worth its own function

L1389[10:18:14] <gigaherz> I do admit, I'm not the most organized coder ;P

L1390[10:18:17] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/ElementsOfPower.java#L108

L1391[10:18:30] <Falkreon> I understand how it could be handy to go Engination.ASBESTOS, it reads quite nicely

L1392[10:18:44] <Falkreon> I still feel like it's some kind of encapsulation problem

L1393[10:18:53] <Xilef11> I'm trying to set up forge for 1.5.2 to check an older mod, and install.cmd gives me an error: error reading [...]\forge-1.5.2\mcp\lib\scala-library.jar; error in opening

L1394[10:18:53] <Xilef11> zip file

L1395[10:19:09] <gigaherz> Falkreon: there's two opposing principles

L1396[10:19:20] <Falkreon> you're gonna go Demeter on me

L1397[10:19:22] <Falkreon> bleh

L1398[10:19:25] <gigaherz> "put things where the information is" vs the encapsulation principle

L1399[10:19:38] <gigaherz> coding is balancing the two ;P

L1400[10:19:42] <Falkreon> yeah.

L1401[10:20:21] <Falkreon> I guess I really do see your point, and I'll keep thinking about it, but for now my way feels more fit for my workflow

L1402[10:20:36] <Falkreon> absolutely don't stop giving me advice, that'd be the wrong way to do things X)

L1403[10:21:13] <Falkreon> If anything maybe the registrations themselves don't belong in the objectholder

L1404[10:21:41] <Falkreon> hm.

L1405[10:21:45] <Falkreon> OR

L1406[10:21:53] <Falkreon> I've also been working with BlockGroups

L1407[10:22:06] <Falkreon> and perhaps they're a better way to express the same idea

L1408[10:22:21] <Falkreon> e.g. if I need to steal a block ID for each direction of lazor emitter

L1409[10:22:30] <Falkreon> they're all part of the same group.

L1410[10:22:51] <Falkreon> (I dislike tile entities for their forced update ticks)

L1411[10:23:38] <williewillus> they don't update if you don't want them to...

L1412[10:23:58] <williewillus> just return false on canUpdate in 1.7 or don't implement ITickable/IUPdatePlayerListBox in 1.8+

L1413[10:24:19] <Falkreon> IUpdatePlayerListBox?

L1414[10:24:27] <Falkreon> that sounds mis-deobfuscated

L1415[10:24:43] <williewillus> yeah it got renamed to ITickable in 1.8.8

L1416[10:24:48] <williewillus> that's the 1.8.0 name

L1417[10:24:50] <Falkreon> ah. That's better.

L1418[10:25:11] <williewillus> it was used for updating the player list in the server gui before so that's probably where the name came from

L1419[10:25:17] <Falkreon> so we really did get a separation between ticking behavior and the storage

L1420[10:25:20] <Falkreon> that's really nice.

L1421[10:25:30] <williewillus> well forge has had non ticking TE's for quite a while :p

L1422[10:25:40] <Falkreon> I still would rather eat more block IDs than use a TE

L1423[10:26:17] <Falkreon> NBT storage and access has a cost.

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L1425[10:28:37] <Falkreon> hm. Do we still have no good way to do full-block ladders except to withdraw the block edges by like 0.005f

L1426[10:29:00] <Falkreon> (which is just enough to guarantee a collision)

L1427[10:29:00] <williewillus> well whatever ic2 scaffolds do

L1428[10:29:03] <Falkreon> lol

L1429[10:29:08] <Falkreon> ic2's license is like

L1430[10:29:18] <Falkreon> "look at our code and we'll steal yours"

L1431[10:29:18] <williewillus> just decompile it lol

L1432[10:29:46] <williewillus> I ported ic2 classic 1.7.10 to 1.8, but didn't maintain it bc it's too hard to manually decompile every release, diff the changes, and manually merge them in

L1433[10:29:58] <williewillus> lol

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L1435[10:31:23] <Cypher121> make a script?

L1436[10:31:56] <gigaherz> williewillus: check how forge does it?

L1437[10:31:56] <gigaherz> XD

L1438[10:32:00] <gigaherz> they do have scripts for that ;P

L1439[10:32:20] <Falkreon> huh

L1440[10:32:26] <Falkreon> so I just looked at the source

L1441[10:32:32] <williewillus> well it's not just a simple patchset to update something to 1.8

L1442[10:32:35] <gigaherz> it's just a 3-way merge ;P

L1443[10:32:44] <Falkreon> and IC2 pulls the XZ back by 0.0625d

L1444[10:32:49] <gigaherz> you have base version, port, and new base

L1445[10:32:58] <Falkreon> and then does a worse thing than I do to make the climbing work

L1446[10:33:01] <williewillus> I don't just have a "1.8-patchset" that brings it to 1.8 automatically, I had to rewrite a large portion of the mess that was their networking

L1447[10:33:07] <Falkreon> so I'm really happy about that.

L1448[10:33:12] <gigaherz> williewillus: ah XD

L1449[10:33:13] <williewillus> so I just have a singular ic2 classic 1.1.0.19 for 1.8.0

L1450[10:33:17] <williewillus> if anywone wants it lol

L1451[10:33:44] <Falkreon> so yeah, if anyone cares\

L1452[10:33:48] <williewillus> I tried updaitng aura cascade but the way blocks and items were handled made me want to tear my hair out

L1453[10:34:08] <williewillus> otherwise it would be an easy 1.8+ port, the author just refuses :p

L1454[10:34:35] <Falkreon> https://gist.github.com/falkreon/e8ac6091ae2063293da3

L1455[10:34:40] <Falkreon> there.

L1456[10:34:54] <Falkreon> 0.35 is an arbitrary climbing speed

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L1458[10:35:37] <Falkreon> but yeah, you need to have the block be *slightly* less than a full block in the XZ directions

L1459[10:36:00] <williewillus> idk how ladders even work :p

L1460[10:36:06] <Falkreon> pretty much like the paste.

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L1462[10:36:34] <Falkreon> "onEntityCollidedWithBlock" has nothing to do with the block's actual dimensions

L1463[10:36:34] <williewillus> why does the block have to be less than 1x1? Does colliding not get called if you bump into it?

L1464[10:36:48] <Falkreon> it's actually when the player is inside the full 1x1 block

L1465[10:36:53] <gigaherz> williewillus: smooth lighting fails when it goes out of bounds ,p

L1466[10:36:57] <williewillus> oh is it just "entity enters block space"

L1467[10:37:00] <Falkreon> yeah

L1468[10:37:18] <Falkreon> otherwise you never get any notification that a collision happened.

L1469[10:37:40] <gigaherz> that's hwo things like pressure plates and string work

L1470[10:37:48] <gigaherz> they detect an entity being inside the block space

L1471[10:37:55] <Falkreon> IC2 actually checks whether the forward key is down, meaning you can't back into their scaffold.

L1472[10:38:03] <Falkreon> or strafe

L1473[10:38:07] <gigaherz> well

L1474[10:38:10] <Falkreon> this one you can do that.

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L1476[10:38:10] <gigaherz> they detect the block space

L1477[10:38:34] <gigaherz> and THEN check if it's within the proper position, or something like that

L1478[10:38:50] <Falkreon> hm. Yeah, I think that's right.

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L1480[10:39:51] <Falkreon> in any case, I'm back down to names

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L1482[10:40:36] <Falkreon> I want to make a non-abstract block that delegates most of its behavior to behavior classes

L1483[10:40:56] <Falkreon> in the 1.7 that's EnginationBlock, which... more smurf naming

L1484[10:41:32] <Falkreon> but seriously, when working against a codebase like Minecraft which has existing - yet terrible - classes, what can I do?

L1485[10:41:43] <Falkreon> except smurf name

L1486[10:41:51] <gigaherz> ... not smurf name ;P

L1487[10:41:58] <Falkreon> ikr... But how

L1488[10:42:04] <gigaherz> stuff is already in your own package

L1489[10:42:04] <gigaherz> XD

L1490[10:42:17] <Falkreon> yeah, but that'll force me to fqn somewhere down the road

L1491[10:42:47] <gigaherz> fqn?

L1492[10:42:50] <sham1> smurfnames are good

L1493[10:42:55] <Falkreon> use fully-qualified names

L1494[10:42:58] <gigaherz> oh

L1495[10:43:01] <gigaherz> well

L1496[10:43:04] <Falkreon> sham1, wat

L1497[10:43:05] <gigaherz> really

L1498[10:43:07] <gigaherz> just avoid mc names

L1499[10:43:15] <gigaherz> some smurfing isn't bad

L1500[10:43:23] <sham1> Falkreon, you saw what I wrote

L1501[10:43:25] <gigaherz> it's just over-smurfing that gets annoying

L1502[10:43:34] <Falkreon> I'm trying to minimize smurfing.

L1503[10:43:42] <gigaherz> like

L1504[10:43:44] <gigaherz> if you have a block

L1505[10:43:44] <karlthepagan> DecoratedAbstractTypeFactory!

L1506[10:43:44] <Falkreon> That's what's going on here.

L1507[10:43:48] <gigaherz> there's nothign wrong with calling it

L1508[10:43:51] <gigaherz> SomethingBlock

L1509[10:43:58] <Falkreon> karlthepagan, DecoratedAbstractTypeFactoryManager!

L1510[10:43:58] <Nitrodev> yeah

L1511[10:44:02] <gigaherz> smurfing would be

L1512[10:44:09] <gigaherz> YourModSomething

L1513[10:44:11] <sham1> I do that because otherwice I do not remember it is a block outside its class

L1514[10:44:13] <gigaherz> YourModTheOtherThing

L1515[10:44:13] <karlthepagan> Falkreon, DecoratedAbstractTypeFactoryManagerStrategy!

L1516[10:44:15] <Nitrodev> a placeholder name

L1517[10:44:15] <gigaherz> YourModWhatever

L1518[10:44:20] <Falkreon> nah

L1519[10:44:22] <sham1> As I do not pay attention to the packages

L1520[10:44:36] <Falkreon> IDecoratedAbstractTypeFactoryManagerDelegateStrategy

L1521[10:44:39] <diesieben07> really, java needs alias-importing

L1522[10:44:42] <diesieben07> that would solve all this crap

L1523[10:44:42] <karlthepagan> kek

L1524[10:44:43] <gigaherz> yeah

L1525[10:44:47] <sham1> Aliases

L1526[10:44:48] <gigaherz> C#'s using-alias is nice

L1527[10:44:50] <sham1> Hmm

L1528[10:44:53] <karlthepagan> +1 groovy has import as

L1529[10:44:58] <gigaherz> using Something=package.something;

L1530[10:44:59] <Falkreon> yeah

L1531[10:45:03] <diesieben07> just "import xyz.Foo as Bar"

L1532[10:45:05] <sham1> We also need namespaces and unsigned integers and...

L1533[10:45:12] <Falkreon> jigsaw is going to see a lot more of that

L1534[10:45:15] <Falkreon> java 9

L1535[10:45:25] <Falkreon> better encapsulation for everybody!!

L1536[10:45:28] <diesieben07> sham1, we will get the ability to make unsigned integers with value types in java 10 :D

L1537[10:45:32] <gigaherz> reified generics

L1538[10:45:35] <diesieben07> nahhhh

L1539[10:45:41] <Falkreon> reified generics will NEVER happen.

L1540[10:45:45] <diesieben07> reified has just as many problems as non reified

L1541[10:45:45] <Falkreon> ever.

L1542[10:45:45] <gigaherz> and vm-managed native calls

L1543[10:45:53] <Falkreon> diesie- no?

L1544[10:45:58] <diesieben07> yeah :D

L1545[10:46:03] <sham1> Type classes yeah

L1546[10:46:04] <gigaherz> reified just requires runtime code generation

L1547[10:46:05] <sham1> but...

L1548[10:46:10] <diesieben07> yes it does

L1549[10:46:11] <sham1> That just feels wrong

L1550[10:46:14] <gigaherz> you need to compile to metadata

L1551[10:46:21] <Falkreon> so?

L1552[10:46:26] <gigaherz> so that the vm can generate instantiations

L1553[10:46:26] <diesieben07> and there is no way to interact with a List of any type

L1554[10:46:28] <Falkreon> you're creating a class anyway

L1555[10:46:29] <diesieben07> its just a bit ugly

L1556[10:46:44] <gigaherz> there's covariance and contravariance

L1557[10:46:52] <Falkreon> wildcard types. List<?>.

L1558[10:46:57] <gigaherz> I can never remember which is which XD

L1559[10:47:05] <diesieben07> again, this will not happen in java

L1560[10:47:10] <gigaherz> but yeah

L1561[10:47:12] <diesieben07> because it's in no way backwards compatible

L1562[10:47:15] <Falkreon> ^

L1563[10:47:18] <diesieben07> and counter-inituitive to any java user

L1564[10:47:32] <Falkreon> actually I'm pretty sure type erasure is the counterintuitive one

L1565[10:47:33] <diesieben07> there are too many unchecked casts even in the JDK :D

L1566[10:47:38] <diesieben07> for me, no

L1567[10:47:46] <diesieben07> erasure is very intuitive i find

L1568[10:47:50] <Falkreon> I've dealt with it for ages, I'm fine.

L1569[10:47:57] <gigaherz> it is intuitive

L1570[10:48:00] <Falkreon> ?

L1571[10:48:00] <gigaherz> but also horribly broken

L1572[10:48:02] <gigaherz> as a concept

L1573[10:48:04] <sham1> erasure may be intuitive, but it is stupid

L1574[10:48:13] <Falkreon> how are all of you finding erasure intuitive

L1575[10:48:16] <Falkreon> O_o

L1576[10:48:19] <diesieben07> well

L1577[10:48:31] <gigaherz> Falkreon: well in java, anything (xcept primitive types) are objects

L1578[10:48:31] <gigaherz> so

L1579[10:48:36] <diesieben07> for once i find it weird how you are making so many classes if you don't erase

L1580[10:48:40] <gigaherz> it's natural to store everything as an object internally

L1581[10:48:42] <diesieben07> at runtime, yes

L1582[10:48:45] <diesieben07> but that all takes memory

L1583[10:49:04] <gigaherz> it only instantiates on use ;P

L1584[10:49:11] <diesieben07> yes

L1585[10:49:13] <diesieben07> but still

L1586[10:49:15] <gigaherz> until instantiation, it's all just metadata

L1587[10:49:20] <sham1> Erasure makes sure for instance that I cannot check if my list is instanceof List<Something>

L1588[10:49:22] <diesieben07> there are hundreds of types of lists being used

L1589[10:49:23] <sham1> It just is List

L1590[10:49:29] <michael_> anyone have an example for subitems in 1.8?

L1591[10:49:37] <gigaherz> sham1: that's not necessarily true

L1592[10:49:42] <gigaherz> you can have erasure WITH metadata

L1593[10:49:52] <sham1> Not too common

L1594[10:50:00] <gigaherz> Java just didn't make it so

L1595[10:50:09] <gigaherz> I mean not in a strict way

L1596[10:50:12] <sham1> Except for Arrats

L1597[10:50:19] <diesieben07> well, arrays are reified :D

L1598[10:50:24] <Falkreon> idk, I've done enough C# that I'm fairly certain the only reason Java will never remove erasure is compatibility.

L1599[10:50:28] <diesieben07> hence they work different than anything else

L1600[10:50:29] <Nitrodev> what IDEs would you guys prefer

L1601[10:50:31] <gigaherz> a class could easily know it's meant to be <Something>

L1602[10:50:35] <sham1> IDEA

L1603[10:50:36] <diesieben07> IntelliJ

L1604[10:50:38] <diesieben07> :D

L1605[10:50:39] <gigaherz> even if the internal storage is Object

L1606[10:50:48] <Falkreon> nitrodev: most people here favor iJ IDEA, I use Eclipse

L1607[10:50:53] <gigaherz> Nitrodev: Visual Studio, but it's unfit for proper mc modding

L1608[10:50:53] <gigaherz> XD

L1609[10:50:57] <gigaherz> so IDEA as a fallback

L1610[10:50:57] <karlthepagan> people work around reified generics using a typeclass

L1611[10:51:06] <Nitrodev> okay so IDEA it is

L1612[10:51:08] <Falkreon> I've used both, the reason to use IDEA would be it gets features really early

L1613[10:51:16] <karlthepagan> e.g. classmate's typereference

L1614[10:51:21] <diesieben07> that's not the reason for using IDEA :D

L1615[10:51:29] <Falkreon> whatever

L1616[10:52:10] <Falkreon> that's the only reason I've seen for it. It had groovy support and 1.8 support way before eclipse.

L1617[10:52:13] <michael_> can anyone please give an example for subitems in 1.8?

L1618[10:52:13] <gigaherz> it just feels better to me ;P

L1619[10:52:27] <diesieben07> i find refactoring and autocomplete just much better

L1620[10:52:34] <Falkreon> fair enough.

L1621[10:52:43] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/items/ItemMagicOrb.java

L1622[10:52:46] <Nitrodev> this time i will try NOT to get rid of all my code

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L1624[10:52:53] <gigaherz> https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/client/ClientProxy.java#L68

L1625[10:52:58] <gigaherz> there you go michael_

L1626[10:53:04] <michael_> thanks

L1627[10:53:05] <gigaherz> first link is the Item itself

L1628[10:53:11] <gigaherz> second link is how to register the model variants

L1629[10:53:53] <Falkreon> also, is there a reason a whole bunch of the method parameters are deobfuscated as if they were GLSL params

L1630[10:53:55] <Falkreon> :D

L1631[10:53:59] <Falkreon> "materialIn"

L1632[10:54:10] <gigaherz> community choice

L1633[10:54:41] <Falkreon> idk, it's a big project, is it really a community decision or just someone entered it as a mapping and nobody changed it?

L1634[10:54:42] <gigaherz> as in, whoever contributed those names, chose that

L1635[10:54:50] <Falkreon> okay, more of the latter.

L1636[10:54:59] <gigaherz> my guess is

L1637[10:55:10] <gigaherz> either one of the MCP people actively prefers the In suffix

L1638[10:55:23] <gigaherz> of it just became a "thing"

L1639[10:55:48] <gigaherz> you'd have to ask someone else for a moreaccurate answer. XD

L1640[10:56:19] <diesieben07> you cannot name something the name of a field

L1641[10:56:27] <diesieben07> if there is a field "world" you cannot name any parameter in that class "world"

L1642[10:56:28] <Falkreon> idk guys, we're in the forge channel, unless lex chimes in, I don't think there IS a more authoritative answer.

L1643[10:56:33] <gigaherz> diesieben07: yes you can

L1644[10:56:43] <diesieben07> in MCPBot you can't.

L1645[10:56:45] <gigaherz> oh

L1646[10:57:00] <gigaherz> so it's a limitation of the pretty-name system

L1647[10:57:02] <diesieben07> it's to avoid conflicts, you need force permissions to do it

L1648[10:57:21] <diesieben07> because there may be code somewhere that has "world = p_12345_x"

L1649[10:57:22] <Falkreon> yeah but it forces some really awkward names

L1650[10:57:35] <diesieben07> and if you then rename the param to "world" you change the meaning of the code

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L1652[10:57:48] <Falkreon> diesieben07, lies, fernflower qualifies all those accesses with this.

L1653[10:57:54] <diesieben07> true

L1654[10:57:57] <diesieben07> mods exist though

L1655[10:58:07] <Falkreon> mods exist which use what?

L1656[10:58:09] <Falkreon> eh?

L1657[10:58:14] <Falkreon> eh? the mappings.

L1658[10:58:17] <diesieben07> yes :D

L1659[10:58:22] <diesieben07> also forge patches

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L1661[10:58:38] <diesieben07> it's just a safety but i agree, the names are stupid

L1662[10:58:42] <diesieben07> but so are many mcp names

L1663[10:58:46] <Falkreon> ;_;

L1664[10:58:48] <Falkreon> yes

L1665[10:59:02] <diesieben07> especially because there are morons who think that now EVERYTHING has to be postfixed with In

L1666[10:59:04] <Falkreon> like all the isOpaqueCube variants

L1667[11:00:02] <michael_> what does addVariantName() do?

L1668[11:00:08] <IoP> Can someone look this log http://paste.feed-the-beast.com/view/f7b63484 is it stuck after line 3724? Should fastcraft be removed and get a new log?

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L1670[11:01:31] <diesieben07> something crashed, but there is a "debug mod" or whatever installed which then also failed and probably just swallowed the actual crash -.-

L1671[11:01:53] <Falkreon> right, I'm out for now

L1672[11:01:59] <Falkreon> thanks for all the help ^_^

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L1674[11:02:18] <IoP> debug mod? Something else than troubleshooting mod?

L1675[11:02:25] <diesieben07> no thats what i meant

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L1677[11:03:21] <IoP> troubleshootingmod does not hide exceptions. If it does then I have made serious derp

L1678[11:03:33] <diesieben07> well, it looks like that

L1679[11:03:47] <diesieben07> because why would it dump all threads?

L1680[11:03:57] <diesieben07> if there wasn't an exception? but there is none printed

L1681[11:04:02] <IoP> here is same without that mod http://paste.feed-the-beast.com/view/5323ce42

L1682[11:04:28] <diesieben07> what is this thread dump thing?

L1683[11:04:34] <diesieben07> are you telling it to dump the threads?

L1684[11:04:47] <IoP> diesieben07: https://github.com/jikuja/TroubleshootingMod/blob/master/src/main/java/io/github/jikuja/TroubleshootingMod/DumperThread.java

L1685[11:05:23] <diesieben07> that... does not seem very useful

L1686[11:05:28] <diesieben07> it just vomits informatino all the time

L1687[11:05:40] <IoP> still wIP

L1688[11:05:50] <diesieben07> so what is your actual problem?

L1689[11:06:18] <IoP> His process stops at "[Client thread/INFO] [EnderCore]: Removed 0 missing texture stacktraces. Tada"

L1690[11:06:30] <diesieben07> it just freezes?

L1691[11:06:42] <IoP> I've seen multiple similar messages in last few days

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L1693[11:06:44] <IoP> yup.

L1694[11:07:26] <diesieben07> well, from the thread dumps it seems the client thread is currently doing texture stuff

L1695[11:07:33] <diesieben07> for how long have you let it sit?

L1696[11:07:53] <diesieben07> also yes, should definitely try without Fastcraft

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L1698[11:08:28] <IoP> I've seen people wait ~10 minutes

L1699[11:08:44] <Nitrodev> Wuppy, wow you already made a tutorial for 1.8 modding

L1700[11:09:01] <diesieben07> yeah that's not right

L1701[11:09:10] <IoP> diesieben07: so what is recommended way to trigger thread dumps without installing JDK?

L1702[11:09:26] <diesieben07> uh idk

L1703[11:09:45] <diesieben07> Nitrodev, uhm... already? 1.8 has been out for over a year.

L1704[11:09:49] <michael_> Nitrodev: Wuppy's 1.8 tutorials aren't completely up to date

L1705[11:09:57] <sham1> And he has no time to update them

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L1707[11:10:21] <sham1> Thus meaning that if we want more knowledge for the community, we need to use readthedocs and contribute there

L1708[11:10:21] <michael_> Nobody has time to write any docs for 1.8

L1709[11:10:44] <Nitrodev> oh

L1710[11:10:47] <michael_> And i'm stuck here wondering what addVariantName() does

L1711[11:11:00] <ThePsionic> It adds variant names

L1712[11:11:04] <sham1> Time for me to fork readthedocs repo so I can contribute :P

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L1714[11:11:13] <Nitrodev> anyone got 1.7 text tutorials

L1715[11:11:23] <michael_> ThePsionic, does it really?

L1716[11:11:25] <sham1> you need no 1.7 stuff anymores

L1717[11:11:26] <ThePsionic> *softly* Don't.

L1718[11:11:31] <ThePsionic> michael_: yes

L1719[11:11:46] <michael_> Well great I couldn't figure that out

L1720[11:11:53] <Nitrodev> 1.7.10 then?

L1721[11:11:58] <michael_> But seriously why do i need it?

L1722[11:11:59] <IoP> diesieben07: That mod has two other solutions: simple httpd opened in localhost and jmx agent. (kill -3 `pidof java` is best solution but it is not windows compatible)

L1723[11:11:59] <ThePsionic> iirc it's for registering textures for meta items

L1724[11:12:17] <diesieben07> i am not sure what you are after IoP

L1725[11:12:38] <michael_> But why do I need addVariantName() and setCustomModelResourceLocation()

L1726[11:12:52] <michael_> setCustomModelResourceLocation() has a meta parameter

L1727[11:13:03] <ThePsionic> /shrug

L1728[11:13:23] <IoP> diesieben07: with mod? Easy-ish way to get thread dump from dumb users

L1729[11:13:33] <williewillus> michael_: addVariantName tells it "This item will use all of these X model paths that I pass you". setCustomMRL you assign each meta to the specific model path

L1730[11:13:41] <diesieben07> then what you are doing in that debug mod is fine...

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L1732[11:14:19] <gigaherz> michael_; addVariantName helps mc distinguish subitems from items with damage

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L1734[11:15:08] <TomWolf> Am I right in thinking that there is one specific thaumcraft block that causes the repating crash on our server: http://pastebin.com/0LzDG5Rk

L1735[11:15:22] <michael_> OK, but why does minecraft need to know if its subitems or damage

L1736[11:15:24] <IoP> diesieben07: If I have select if I ask user to install JDK then run jconsole/visualvm and use it to fetch thread dump VS asking he to add a mod and send a new log

L1737[11:15:38] <IoP> We can see which task is easier.

L1738[11:15:39] <diesieben07> ???!

L1739[11:15:41] <diesieben07> yes.

L1740[11:15:45] <diesieben07> i have not questioned that...

L1741[11:16:07] <diesieben07> TomWolf, looks like your world has corrupted chunks

L1742[11:16:09] <gigaherz> TomWolf: never seen that error

L1743[11:16:15] <gigaherz> but it really looks like corrupted data

L1744[11:16:27] <gigaherz> if it started after using certain thaumcraft blocks

L1745[11:16:34] <gigaherz> it means thaumcraft would have corrupted your world

L1746[11:16:46] <williewillus> michael_: for example, whenever you use a pickaxe, it changes meta value. MC needs to know if you want a new model for all 8192 meta values of it, or not, so you declare what models will be used up front

L1747[11:16:52] <gigaherz> did you have any other crash

L1748[11:16:56] <gigaherz> before this one started?

L1749[11:17:08] <gigaherz> power failure during saving could also have caused it

L1750[11:17:30] <michael_> williewillus: Ok, that clears some things up, thanks

L1751[11:17:34] <TomWolf> we had crashes because of low tps a few times every day but this crashes a few minutes after the server starts every time now

L1752[11:17:41] <gigaherz> yes

L1753[11:17:42] <IoP> diesieben07: I would like to have some kind of generate thread dump at request but currently I'm out of ideas how to do that while still being enough simple for end-user.

L1754[11:17:43] <gigaherz> because it's corrupted

L1755[11:17:52] <gigaherz> the data for one of the thaumcraft nodes is corrupted on disk

L1756[11:18:06] <williewillus> could just enter that nbt file and delete that node

L1757[11:18:21] <gigaherz> the "nbt file" is the corrupted one

L1758[11:18:24] <TomWolf> would removing stuff in that chunk with mcedit be a good fix or is backup the only sollution?

L1759[11:18:25] <diesieben07> IoP, listen for a weird key combination

L1760[11:18:34] <TomWolf> ok =)

L1761[11:19:00] <gigaherz> TomWolf: backup everything before mcediting

L1762[11:19:01] <IoP> diesieben07: and now tell that...

L1763[11:19:04] <williewillus> yeah the error tells you the full coordinates, open the region file it tells you, find the node in the tile-entity list, and delete it

L1764[11:19:17] <williewillus> this may be helpful as well https://dinnerbone.com/minecraft/tools/coordinates/

L1765[11:19:19] <gigaherz> worse case you may have to "lose" all the tile entities in the chunk

L1766[11:19:36] <gigaherz> if you can't recover the NBT data from it

L1767[11:20:14] <gigaherz> if it's not a chunk where you have buildings andstuff

L1768[11:20:24] <diesieben07> IoP, if the user cannot perform "press these keys and send over the log" they shouldn't be playing modded minecraft.

L1769[11:20:28] <gigaherz> you may even be able to get away with erasing the chunk and letting it re-generate

L1770[11:21:07] <gigaherz> but that's all worst-case scenario

L1771[11:21:14] <TomWolf> =) Thanks for all the help.

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L1773[11:21:29] <gigaherz> first step would be to try deleting the data for that one specific thaumcraft node ;P

L1774[11:21:52] <williewillus> well, whatever you do, you can try infinitely many times as long as you backup :p

L1775[11:21:57] <IoP> diesieben07: I somehow skipped idea of using users' input as a trigger. thanks for idea.

L1776[11:21:59] <gigaherz> second step could be to load the chunk NBT from a backup

L1777[11:22:03] <TomWolf> That's the plan now =) If nothing helps we'll revert to a backup.

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L1779[11:22:28] <williewillus> you could just replace that one region file with one from a backup instead of the whole world

L1780[11:22:40] <gigaherz> TomWolf: is it a "built" region file

L1781[11:22:43] <gigaherz> or just empty world?

L1782[11:22:56] <williewillus> wat

L1783[11:23:08] <gigaherz> williewillus: if it's a region file that contains the main city of the server

L1784[11:23:13] <williewillus> oh lol

L1785[11:23:21] <gigaherz> or it's some remote area that no one uses

L1786[11:23:23] <gigaherz> XD

L1787[11:23:29] <TomWolf> I belive it's a built chunk.

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L1789[11:23:50] <gigaherz> yeah so you probably want to try to keep as much existing data as possible

L1790[11:24:32] <gigaherz> using some NBT editor (NBT Explorer was it?)

L1791[11:24:36] <williewillus> yeah

L1792[11:24:51] <gigaherz> I wonder if it can replace NBT data without loading it

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L1794[11:25:59] <TomWolf> We'll try with NBT Explorer

L1795[11:26:54] <TomWolf> As always, this chanel is amazing. Needs to be said.

L1796[11:27:05] <gigaherz> hmm NBT Explorer can delete a chunk's NBT directly, it seems

L1797[11:27:27] <gigaherz> dunno if it can handle broken nbt

L1798[11:27:33] <gigaherz> hopefully it worksfor you

L1799[11:27:35] <gigaherz> and thanks

L1800[11:27:35] <gigaherz> ;P

L1801[11:27:38] <gigaherz> we try ;P

L1802[11:30:05] <gigaherz> lol at lewis in the yogscast stream "[the thing] wasn't made by us, in fact, we dont' want to have anything to do with it, because everything we touch, goes to shit"

L1803[11:30:16] <Zaggy1024> lol...

L1804[11:30:37] <karlthepagan> too soon ;)

L1805[11:31:06] <williewillus> i havent watched any yogscast content in 2.5 years, wow

L1806[11:31:13] <williewillus> give or take

L1807[11:31:23] <karlthepagan> in-case you missed it: yogventures failed kickstarter

L1808[11:31:31] <williewillus> rip

L1809[11:31:32] <karlthepagan> rip

L1810[11:31:37] <williewillus> is it officially dead now?

L1811[11:31:44] <Nitrodev> yep

L1812[11:31:45] <gigaherz> for a while

L1813[11:31:50] <gigaherz> the project was mismanaged

L1814[11:31:57] <Nitrodev> HAW HAW

L1815[11:32:04] <gigaherz> money was misspent

L1816[11:32:07] <gigaherz> nothing came out of it

L1817[11:32:11] <karlthepagan> and every 1st software project ever

L1818[11:32:20] <diesieben07> well, i don't know why every fucking youtuber needs to make a game now

L1819[11:32:24] <williewillus> oh they gave it all to TUG

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L1821[11:32:35] <williewillus> but i havent heard anything about tug in ages

L1822[11:32:42] <gigaherz> TUG got an update recently

L1823[11:32:48] <gigaherz> I still launch the game every now and then

L1824[11:33:04] <gigaherz> it's still early access material though

L1825[11:33:18] <diesieben07> yay early access

L1826[11:33:26] <williewillus> what 'is' it?

L1827[11:33:39] <gigaherz> TUG is a voxel survival game

L1828[11:33:43] <gigaherz> but not cube-based like mc

L1829[11:33:53] <gigaherz> it's "marching cubes" type voxel ;P

L1830[11:34:06] <gigaherz> http://store.steampowered.com/app/277930/

L1831[11:34:23] <gigaherz> you craft in-world

L1832[11:34:27] <gigaherz> drop stuff on the ground

L1833[11:34:28] <gigaherz> press G

L1834[11:34:30] <gigaherz> and it crafts

L1835[11:34:44] <gigaherz> all recipes are "shapeless" (in MC terms)

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L1837[11:35:15] <gigaherz> like, crafting with axe rock + stick + string = crude axe

L1838[11:35:35] <gigaherz> for more advanced items, you needto drop the items near a crafting "station"

L1839[11:35:41] <gigaherz> (a table, or a furnace or whatever)

L1840[11:35:44] <gigaherz> and things like cooking

L1841[11:35:58] <gigaherz> happens contextually: drop food on top of a flat stone near a fire

L1842[11:36:02] <gigaherz> and it gets cooked

L1843[11:36:26] <gigaherz> but it's too.... incomplete

L1844[11:36:30] <gigaherz> to feel like a proper game

L1845[11:37:04] <fry> windows-only, DX11-only

L1846[11:45:46] <williewillus> are they making their own engine?

L1847[11:47:04] <Girafi> Wait.. am I blind or did the latest commit for 1.8.8 not make a new Forge build ? :/

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L1849[11:47:50] <fry> indeed, last build failed

L1850[11:48:14] <IoP> diesieben07: same result without fastcraft http://paste.feed-the-beast.com/view/a236c548

L1851[11:48:24] <gigaherz> williewillus: probably

L1852[11:48:47] <gigaherz> there aren't really many engines like Unity or Unreal that come with voxel terrain systems integrated ;P

L1853[11:48:58] <diesieben07> IoP, maybe try disabling the loading screen, see EAQ on the forums

L1854[11:49:01] <sham1> God damn it Atom

L1855[11:49:04] <sham1> Why u no work

L1856[11:49:32] <gigaherz> CEGUI

L1857[11:49:37] <Girafi> Ahh okay, so you guys were already aware of it, or?

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L1859[11:49:40] <gigaherz> wasn't that a GUI library for OGRE?

L1860[11:49:52] <Zaggy1024> so, guys, is there anything you would like IPlantable (and possibly ISeed) to do when it uses a Set<EnumPlantType>?

L1861[11:49:54] <gigaherz> ah no

L1862[11:49:56] <gigaherz> it's general-purpose

L1863[11:50:19] <gigaherz> "CEGUI provides modules for Direct3D, OpenGL, the OGRE 3D engine, and the Irrlicht Engine. Other modules can be written for custom engines."

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L1865[11:50:41] <gigaherz> yeah so far as I can tell from the DLLs in it, it uses a custom engine ;P

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L1867[11:50:44] <IoP> diesieben07: aww shit. it's using Renderer: 'Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400' :/

L1868[11:50:57] <diesieben07> yeah that is probably it then

L1869[11:51:06] <gigaherz> IoP: no dedicated?

L1870[11:51:07] <diesieben07> many intel "gpus" don't like the loading screen

L1871[11:52:00] <IoP> gigaherz: there is but reason x causes MC to select intel. I'll mention that while communicating with user

L1872[11:52:29] <gigaherz> IoP: that's because java.exe isn't seen as a "game" by the drivers

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L1874[11:52:33] <diesieben07> yep

L1875[11:52:40] <gigaherz> I ahd to manually add java.exe as "prefer dedicated" in nvidia control panel

L1876[11:52:50] <gigaherz> which means ALL java apps use extra battery

L1877[11:52:50] <Zaggy1024> could use some input on IPlantable :P

L1878[11:52:58] <gigaherz> but since MC is the only java app I use normally ;P

L1879[11:53:11] <gigaherz> well used*

L1880[11:53:12] <IoP> gigaherz: I've done same

L1881[11:53:15] <gigaherz> I don't even play mc in the laptop anymore

L1882[11:53:36] <IoP> newer lwjgl version should force usage of discrete GPUs

L1883[11:53:51] <karlthepagan> I had the same problem with my lwjgl

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L1885[11:54:27] <diesieben07> i don't think the application can decides that

L1886[11:54:35] <diesieben07> -s

L1887[11:55:01] * AbrarSyed doesnt think the application SHOULD decide that

L1888[11:55:34] <diesieben07> that too

L1889[11:55:48] <IoP> https://github.com/LWJGL/lwjgl/commit/e503ea631c1e14e414352b3a69eac7e50b3d11d3

L1890[11:55:58] <IoP> "Force high performance GPU for Nvidia Optimus systems"

L1891[11:56:02] <karlthepagan> and that's why there are so many video driver "profiles", because the application *can* decide that so NV and AMD don't automatically force it on you

L1892[11:56:40] <gigaherz> an application should have the right to say

L1893[11:56:43] <gigaherz> "I'm a game!"

L1894[11:56:44] <gigaherz> or

L1895[11:56:58] <gigaherz> "I may use DX/OGL, but I'm really just a fancy GUI, dont' bother"

L1896[11:57:03] <fry> having 2 gpus is just silly

L1897[11:57:15] <gigaherz> fry: not really

L1898[11:57:16] <diesieben07> no it's not.

L1899[11:57:20] <gigaherz> the one on the cpu uses less power

L1900[11:57:29] <gigaherz> and nvidia optimus can electrically disconnect the gpu chip while it's not used

L1901[11:57:36] <diesieben07> i accidentally had chrome set to run on the nvidia gpu

L1902[11:57:38] <gigaherz> meaning it uses practically 0 power

L1903[11:57:46] <diesieben07> it lasted for 1h while just browsing the web

L1904[11:57:51] <diesieben07> on battery.

L1905[11:57:52] <gigaherz> so it works out really well

L1906[11:57:56] <karlthepagan> if we could disable some % of our GPU cores having 2 GPU's would be silly

L1907[11:57:57] <diesieben07> with intel gpu it lasts 2 1/2

L1908[11:57:59] <gigaherz> "2D" mode -> use integrated

L1909[11:58:04] <karlthepagan> but the technology isn't there yet :P

L1910[11:58:05] <gigaherz> "3D" mode -> use dedicated

L1911[11:58:18] <fry> karlthepagan: exactly ;P

L1912[11:58:36] <fry> it's not silly from the practical point of view, right now

L1913[11:58:43] <karlthepagan> just like you have different power states & number of active cores for a CPU

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L1916[11:58:54] <fry> it's completely silly if you think how it could've been :P

L1917[11:59:01] <karlthepagan> could be*

L1918[11:59:30] <fry> could've been in the things we have today :P

L1919[11:59:54] <IoP> What kind of weird key combination will lwjgl/MC handle?

L1920[11:59:57] <Zaggy1024> which would you guys prefer to check whether a plant should keep farmland from turning into dirt? "plantTypes.contains(Crops) && !plantTypes.contains(Plains)" or a new method, "IPlantable.isCrop()"?

L1921[12:00:28] <IoP> If I want to bind ctrl+break... Is my idea doomed to fail?

L1922[12:00:28] <Zaggy1024> the benefit of a new interface method is that then you can have a plant that grows on both plains and farmland, but still keeps farmland under it

L1923[12:01:11] <williewillus> i like the second

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L1925[12:01:53] <Zaggy1024> despite it adding an extra method to implement in IPlantable, which would only be used once without mods?

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L1927[12:02:37] <Zaggy1024> it would be mainly boilerplate for most plants (return true or return false, with no conditions based on variants)

L1928[12:02:48] <karlthepagan> yay for jdk8 default methods ;)

L1929[12:03:03] <williewillus> we're still a ways off from that lol

L1930[12:03:04] <karlthepagan> too bad forge has to support 7

L1931[12:03:11] <Zaggy1024> yeh...

L1932[12:03:12] <williewillus> isnt vanilla still on 6?

L1933[12:03:21] <fry> yup, 6

L1934[12:03:28] <fry> and so is forge

L1935[12:03:30] <Zaggy1024> would be nice to have a default, although I'm still breaking the old IPlantable :P

L1936[12:04:08] <Zaggy1024> changing EnumPlantType getPlantType to Collection<EnumPlantType> getPlantTypes

L1937[12:04:18] <Zaggy1024> (if everyone approves of it, of course)

L1938[12:04:24] <IoP> tbh most of the mods requires java 7 even most of the mods does not mention it.

L1939[12:05:20] <diesieben07> zaggy, you can't do that with default methods either

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L1942[12:06:39] <Zaggy1024> I never said I was going to try and make all my changes using defaults, why would I?

L1943[12:06:51] <Zaggy1024> I can't

L1944[12:07:17] <diesieben07> oh, it sounded like it :D

L1945[12:08:03] <Zaggy1024> although I could do that with default methods, considering I changed the method name

L1946[12:08:09] <sham1> Writing these docs is sorta fun maybe actually

L1947[12:08:10] <Zaggy1024> but implementing the interface would be ugly

L1948[12:08:31] <williewillus> sham1: what are you writing about?

L1949[12:08:38] <sham1> Proxies

L1950[12:08:54] <Zaggy1024> so I guess .isCrop() is best, then?

L1951[12:09:31] <Zaggy1024> in place of that, would anyone prefer having a "main" plant type (which in the case of plants that stop farmland turning into dirt would be "Crops")

L1952[12:09:53] <sham1> The power of the proxy must become known to the new forgerer

L1953[12:09:55] <Zaggy1024> I'm not sure what the main plant type would be for something that isn't a crop, though, but I still wonder :P

L1954[12:09:56] <karlthepagan> that sounds like it would maintain compatibility

L1955[12:10:12] <karlthepagan> the plant type and holding the new logic in a delegate class

L1956[12:10:21] <Zaggy1024> hm

L1957[12:10:35] <Zaggy1024> interesting idea

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L1959[12:10:53] <Zaggy1024> but I'm not sure how much of a benefit that would be

L1960[12:11:11] <Zaggy1024> plus it's more instanceof checks

L1961[12:11:22] <karlthepagan> yea

L1962[12:11:52] <Zaggy1024> I guess I'll go with isCrop and Lex can look at it when I'm done

L1963[12:12:00] <williewillus> "instanceof is slow" is largely an irrelevant idea nowadays

L1964[12:12:11] <Zaggy1024> that's not the point

L1965[12:12:18] <Zaggy1024> it's just more code in the places that care about IPlantable

L1966[12:12:33] <Zaggy1024> and it doesn't force people to consider whether an IPlantable is planted on multiple soil types

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L1968[12:12:39] <karlthepagan> features hidden inside instanceof makes a feature not discoverable

L1969[12:12:53] <karlthepagan> better to hold information inside an annotation actually Zaggy1024

L1970[12:13:03] <Zaggy1024> say what?

L1971[12:13:08] <karlthepagan> like @Mod

L1972[12:13:10] <Zaggy1024> how would this go in an annotation?

L1973[12:13:25] <karlthepagan> like this @PlantType(Crop.class)

L1974[12:13:34] <Zaggy1024> it has to be block state and ItemStack aware

L1975[12:13:37] <sham1> huzzah

L1976[12:13:44] <sham1> Just

L1977[12:13:55] <Zaggy1024> just what?

L1978[12:14:10] <sham1> Nothing

L1979[12:14:13] <Zaggy1024> lol okay

L1980[12:14:16] <sham1> I realized it was a stupid idea

L1981[12:14:36] <karlthepagan> Zaggy1024, man... i've got a meeting to get to but I don't see why that wouldn't be possible

L1982[12:14:44] <Zaggy1024> now what I wonder is if it's a good idea to have isCrop in ISeed

L1983[12:14:59] <Zaggy1024> karlthepagan, how can annotations be aware of the world?

L1984[12:15:26] <karlthepagan> Zaggy1024, if you can look up the type of a block

L1985[12:15:40] <Zaggy1024> variants bro

L1986[12:15:59] <karlthepagan> meaning - you're using instanceof, so you could also use getClass and use that to look up the annotations on the class you retrieve

L1987[12:16:01] <Zaggy1024> block instance doesn't matter, the point is that it needs to be able to change based on IBlockState, not just Block

L1988[12:16:13] <karlthepagan> don't care which object it's on

L1989[12:16:24] <Zaggy1024> plus reflection is slow

L1990[12:16:26] <karlthepagan> wherever you would use your alternative interface you can use an annotation

L1991[12:16:46] <karlthepagan> if it's slow put the classes in an identity hashmap

L1992[12:16:50] <Zaggy1024> I'm not sure what you mean

L1993[12:17:02] <karlthepagan> but you don't konw that it's slow, you're guessing based on popular superstition

L1994[12:17:30] <karlthepagan> getclass is fast, and looking up annotation on a class is faster than introspecting on the methods

L1995[12:17:45] <karlthepagan> but it's possibly slower than instanceof

L1996[12:18:04] <Zaggy1024> but really, that doesn't matter nearly as much as the code complexity added by that

L1997[12:18:21] <Zaggy1024> and I still don't see how that prevents people from only using the old method of getting the plant type

L1998[12:18:31] <Zaggy1024> therefore ignoring plants that use multiple soils

L1999[12:18:33] <karlthepagan> yes, complex patches inside the minecraft code will get rejected, but you can put nearly everything here inside the minecraftforge packages

L2000[12:18:41] <Zaggy1024> I know

L2001[12:18:43] <karlthepagan> ;)

L2002[12:19:04] <Zaggy1024> but then you have to call a static method to get the same thing you would with a simple instanceof

L2003[12:19:33] <karlthepagan> "simple instanceof and cast to a different class and call that class's methods"

L2004[12:19:34] <Zaggy1024> and that lookup would be a good bit of code on Forge's end, which is quite unnecessary

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L2006[12:19:39] <Zaggy1024> yes

L2007[12:19:58] <karlthepagan> :) ok, just making sure it's a fair comparison

L2008[12:20:05] <Zaggy1024> that's simpler than calling a static method, checking whether hte return value is something you care about, and then getting that return value's relevant data

L2009[12:20:22] <karlthepagan> or a static method which does the lookup & feature simultaneously

L2010[12:20:36] <Zaggy1024> then you look it up multiple times if you care about multiple things

L2011[12:20:44] <karlthepagan> truth

L2012[12:21:07] <Zaggy1024> anywho, this is a bit off track

L2013[12:21:10] <karlthepagan> or you end up with an ugly "Object forgeAttachment" lurking around the minecraft classes

L2014[12:21:30] <Zaggy1024> does anyone see a use for an equivalent of IPlantable.isCrop in ISeed (for items)?

L2015[12:22:13] <karlthepagan> now I almost want to make a trait system for forge... doesn't sound complex at all /s

L2016[12:24:12] <IoP> nope. disabling splash screen did not fix the problem http://paste.feed-the-beast.com/view/20a88e58 :/

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L2020[12:24:57] <IoP> (also that stack is seriously too short => into TODO list)

L2021[12:27:17] <Zaggy1024> nobody wants an ISeed.isCrop? :)

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L2023[12:29:22] <sham1> I do

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L2025[12:29:45] <karlthepagan> and I don't count, not enough modding experience (seriously don't listen to me)

L2026[12:29:58] <karlthepagan> all my work is closed source :P

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L2029[12:30:42] <sham1> why

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L2032[12:31:45] <sham1> What things would you do in a server-sided proxy other than register dedicated sever commands

L2033[12:32:24] <Zaggy1024> sham1, what would you like it for?

L2034[12:32:32] <sham1> I just need examples

L2035[12:32:38] <sham1> Of something

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L2037[12:32:55] <Zaggy1024> er, I'm talking about ISeed.isCrop

L2038[12:33:07] <sham1> Oh :P

L2039[12:33:13] <sham1> Context was completely lost on me

L2040[12:33:35] <sham1> Well it would be nice to have to see if that ISeed-item is a crop and not some other plant seed

L2041[12:33:37] <Zaggy1024> yeah, I don't blame ya

L2042[12:33:46] <Zaggy1024> yeah

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L2044[12:34:05] <diesieben07> hue hue. https://goo.gl/08zJ1N

L2045[12:34:17] <Zaggy1024> although...is there another name for that that doesn't make it sound like it's specifically for EnumPlantType.Crops?

L2046[12:34:31] <Zaggy1024> it may be useful to have it apply for growing plants that don't necessarily grow on farmland

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L2048[12:34:45] <sham1> isFoodPlantSeed

L2049[12:35:00] <sham1> canGrowOutsideFarmland

L2050[12:35:17] <Zaggy1024> lol nah

L2051[12:35:19] <MattDahEpic> diesieben07, saturation saturation

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L2053[12:35:26] <Zaggy1024> growing plants aren't necessarily food

L2054[12:35:42] <sham1> So anyway diesieb, do you have any examples of using server side proxies as I have none

L2055[12:35:42] * diesieben07 doesn't get it

L2056[12:35:42] <Zaggy1024> could just call it isGrowingPlant

L2057[12:35:59] <sham1> Well what else will a ISeed grow

L2058[12:36:02] <sham1> er

L2059[12:36:03] <MattDahEpic> hue and saturation

L2060[12:36:05] <sham1> Be used for

L2061[12:36:06] <diesieben07> lol

L2062[12:36:09] <sham1> Oh wow

L2063[12:36:13] <Zaggy1024> well, it could be for a plant that doesn't grow

L2064[12:36:21] <sham1> isPotatoe

L2065[12:36:32] <Zaggy1024> in fact, it should probably be on ItemBlocks for BlockBushes :P

L2066[12:36:39] <sham1> true

L2067[12:36:42] <sham1> isGrowable

L2068[12:36:49] <diesieben07> sham1, i used to have one for a system where the client (when OP) could edit a server's config files. the proxy would differentiate if you could do that, i am not qutie sure anymore (since it works only on a dedi server of course)

L2069[12:36:58] <diesieben07> because internal server and client share the same config

L2070[12:37:03] <sham1> yeah

L2071[12:37:31] <sham1> The only example for using server proxies I have here is registering commands that only exists on dedicated servers

L2072[12:37:57] <diesieben07> yeah

L2073[12:38:02] <Zaggy1024> isGrowingPlant/isGrowable doesn't really tell implementors that it affects farmland behavior though.. :\

L2074[12:38:09] <diesieben07> although there i would say it's more intuitive to just use an if

L2075[12:38:10] <Zaggy1024> but I guess it could do

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L2077[12:38:29] <sham1> Wait

L2078[12:38:39] <sham1> Are there any dedicated-server only events

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L2080[12:38:50] <sham1> that you know of

L2081[12:38:58] <diesieben07> not that i can think no

L2082[12:39:02] <sham1> Ah

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L2084[12:39:24] <sham1> I found so many uses for client proxy but basically nada for this

L2085[12:40:15] <diesieben07> yeah. this is my server proxy: http://i.imgur.com/hBDrU8J.png

L2086[12:40:18] <diesieben07> it just does nothing :D

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L2088[12:40:49] <sham1> Welp, I think my first contribution to readthedocs is about ready

L2089[12:40:52] <Zaggy1024> should make reference to the server "talking to" itself :P

L2090[12:41:32] <sham1> :P

L2091[12:41:33] <diesieben07> meh, this will never be called :D

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L2093[12:41:43] <sham1> proxy.neverCallThis

L2094[12:41:48] <diesieben07> on the server :)

L2095[12:42:05] <diesieben07> but it does check before anyways, because integrated server

L2096[12:42:08] <sham1> throws new InvalidStateException("I told you not to call me");'

L2097[12:42:24] <diesieben07> so it will really never be called, unless someone directly uses the internal methods

L2098[12:42:28] <diesieben07> in which case screw them

L2099[12:42:34] <sham1> ye

L2100[12:42:40] <diesieben07> anyways, time for food.

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L2103[12:43:16] <sham1> throw new Error ("I smite thee for calling my internal methods!");

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L2105[12:45:11] <MattDahEpic> throw new Error("FUS RO null");

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L2107[12:48:26] <sham1> Now to figure out how I do this PR

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L2109[12:52:32] <sham1> And now I wait

L2110[12:52:44] <ThePsionic> throw new Error("the fuck bro")

L2111[12:53:17] <SkySom> throw new Error("Who the hell do you think you are, calling this")

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L2113[12:54:06] <zid> hey all, I have a question about a mod I want to make but I'm still learning the whole thing.. how would I go about sending a message to the player when he crafted a specific item?

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L2115[12:54:16] <zid> or isn't this the right place to ask?

L2116[12:54:28] <sham1> Yes it is

L2117[12:54:33] <sham1> Where else would you ask at

L2118[12:54:56] <sham1> Anyway, onCreated method on Item gets called when a player takes an item out of the crafting table (AFAIK)

L2119[12:55:00] <zid> no clue, that's why I came here, and if I was wrong perhaps you could point me in the right direction, but since this IS the right place, I'd hope to get an answer :)

L2120[12:55:02] <sham1> It has a reference to the player

L2121[12:55:28] <zid> okay, I'll look that up and see how I can use it, thanks!

L2122[12:55:32] <sham1> You can use the player's addChatComponentMessage

L2123[12:55:54] <zid> I found that one, but wasn't sure on how to link it to the crafting of an item

L2124[12:56:07] <sham1> Well, there you go

L2125[12:56:13] <zid> thanks!

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L2127[13:04:35] <tterrag> sham1: you dun goofed the formatting

L2128[13:04:37] <tterrag> check my comment :P

L2129[13:04:39] <tterrag> also, you do proxies...weird

L2130[13:04:44] <tterrag> there isn't really a standard though, so we as a whole need to decide what the standard should be

L2131[13:04:46] <tterrag> I'm not going to say my way is the best (even though it totally is, right?)

L2132[13:05:07] <sham1> yeah

L2133[13:05:15] <sham1> I am now trying to squash my commits

L2134[13:05:34] <sham1> But for some reason it grabbed a little bit of the last

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L2136[13:06:03] <tterrag> git reset upstream/master

L2137[13:06:13] <tterrag> git commit -am "blah" && git push -f

L2138[13:06:22] <tterrag> done :P

L2139[13:07:28] <sham1> and will that show in the PR

L2140[13:07:37] <sham1> indeed it will

L2141[13:07:54] <sham1> I think that did the trick

L2142[13:08:09] <tterrag> of course, all changes to the branch the PR is based on are reflected

L2143[13:08:17] <sham1> :P

L2144[13:08:17] <tterrag> a PR is just a fancy way of saying "pls merge this branch into that branch"

L2145[13:08:31] <sham1> I see

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L2147[13:08:52] <tterrag> pray tell, what is the purpose of the CommonProxy being an abstract class, and not an interface?

L2148[13:09:11] <sham1> I dont know

L2149[13:09:13] <diesieben07> yeah tehre should not be "common"

L2150[13:09:24] <diesieben07> just Proxy, ClientProxy, ServerProxy

L2151[13:09:38] <sham1> I just use the naming I myself am comfortable with

L2152[13:10:01] <tterrag> I don't even see the need for Proxy

L2153[13:10:06] <tterrag> I've never used more than 2 classes

L2154[13:10:10] <tterrag> client extends common

L2155[13:10:20] <diesieben07> that sounds... weird

L2156[13:10:28] <gigaherz> Proxy can be an interface

L2157[13:10:31] <sham1> Well for me it feels kinda weird that CommonProxy is the serverproxy

L2158[13:10:33] <sham1> But yeah

L2159[13:10:35] <sham1> It could

L2160[13:10:48] <fry> if you're for some reason working with server-only classes, like server gui, you need ServerpProxy

L2161[13:10:52] <gigaherz> I have an interface and both Client and ServerProxy implement it

L2162[13:11:16] <tterrag> gigaherz: I wouldn't mind that, but remember whatever we put here will likely become THE goto copypasta for every new mod to come -.-

L2163[13:11:25] <tterrag> so it needs to be something sensible

L2164[13:11:28] <sham1> Mmm

L2165[13:11:54] <sham1> But as far as it goes, having it be an abstract superclass allows you to implement stuff there and have fields there

L2166[13:11:56] <sham1> Java8 aside

L2167[13:13:40] <gigaherz> mine is just: https://github.com/gigaherz/ElementsOfPower/blob/master/src/main/java/gigaherz/elementsofpower/ISideProxy.java

L2168[13:13:57] <diesieben07> ugh I prefix

L2169[13:14:02] <gigaherz> TBH I'd very much prefer not having the proxies at all

L2170[13:14:09] <tterrag> diesieben07: like it or not, it's the precedent set by MCP naming

L2171[13:14:11] <tterrag> so we're stuck with it :P

L2172[13:14:19] <sham1> ye

L2173[13:14:20] <diesieben07> that doesn't mean you have to follow it

L2174[13:14:24] <gigaherz> and have some other means to do client-only initializations

L2175[13:14:27] <tterrag> no, but it certainly makes sense to

L2176[13:14:30] <diesieben07> or do you name your parameters "p_13444_x"

L2177[13:14:40] <diesieben07> or "worldIn"

L2178[13:14:42] <tterrag> that's not fair, those are autogenerated srg names

L2179[13:14:48] <sham1> Even though it pains me that we use C# method of interface naming

L2180[13:14:52] <tterrag> not actual manually named english

L2181[13:14:58] <diesieben07> worldIn

L2182[13:15:05] <sham1> worldRef

L2183[13:15:06] <tterrag> parameters aside

L2184[13:15:09] <gigaherz> diesieben07: I use I prefix simply because I use I prefix. I'm a C#developer at heart ;P

L2185[13:15:16] <diesieben07> tterrag, TileEntity#worldObj :D

L2186[13:15:16] <tterrag> and I wouldn't blame anyone for using xxxIn naming

L2187[13:15:27] <diesieben07> c# naming sucks :D

L2188[13:15:31] <sham1> it does

L2189[13:15:34] <sham1> But meh

L2190[13:16:01] <sham1> Is there any issues with the page itself aside from this whole commonproxy thing

L2191[13:16:17] <tterrag> well, your CommonProxy won't compile :P

L2192[13:16:22] <tterrag> didn't declare the class as abstract

L2193[13:16:26] <sham1> Hold on

L2194[13:17:11] <sham1> There we go

L2195[13:17:15] <sham1> now it should work

L2196[13:17:31] <sham1> shouldnt I actually squash those commits

L2197[13:19:40] <sham1> and as far as this becoming THE copypasta new modders use

L2198[13:20:22] <sham1> what can you do

L2199[13:20:41] <gigaherz> http://www.twitch.tv/yogscast

L2200[13:20:45] <Dark> depends, also whats up everybody

L2201[13:20:54] <gigaherz> they ran out of games to play, so they are playing CAH

L2202[13:21:08] <tterrag> sham1: nothing, but I just want to make sure it's a standard most everyone can agree on

L2203[13:21:15] <tterrag> but so far there has been little meaningful discussion :P

L2204[13:21:22] <sham1> Mmm

L2205[13:21:26] <Dark> standard on what?

L2206[13:21:27] <sham1> It is mostly preference

L2207[13:21:34] <tterrag> I'm taking an online exam atm, so talk amongst yourselves

L2208[13:21:39] <gigaherz> well I did give my preference: I prefer an interface for the proxies over Common+Client

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L2210[13:21:49] <Dark> ah proxies

L2211[13:21:51] <gigaherz> the contents of this interface are up to everyone

L2212[13:21:56] <Dark> I suggest an interface and common proxy

L2213[13:22:00] <tterrag> Dark: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/Documentation/pull/29

L2214[13:22:05] <Dark> there are things that need to be both sides and somethings that don't

L2215[13:22:10] <gigaherz> but a good starting point is to have preInit() and init() methods

L2216[13:22:30] <gigaherz> Dark: things that are on both sides, you can just put directly on your @Mod ;p

L2217[13:22:38] <Dark> that is true

L2218[13:22:46] <Dark> but what if your @mod is very cluttered?

L2219[13:23:02] <Dark> using a common proxy is a good way to reduce clutter

L2220[13:23:11] <gigaherz> then you create a few methods in it, that do specific things ;P

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L2222[13:23:19] <gigaherz> and cal lthem from pre/init

L2223[13:23:21] <diesieben07> not really dark.

L2224[13:23:25] <Dark> anyways Its a per coder choice

L2225[13:23:35] <diesieben07> just shoving arbitrary things in the proxy doesn't reduce clutter

L2226[13:23:45] <Dark> it helps :/

L2227[13:23:45] <diesieben07> it just makes things harder to understand. like "why is this there and not here?"

L2228[13:24:01] <Dark> from your perspective maybe

L2229[13:24:06] <gigaherz> moving the clutter into the proxy is like what I do

L2230[13:24:07] <Dark> from another dev;s it may be asier

L2231[13:24:08] <diesieben07> or do you mean to shove *everything* in the proxy?

L2232[13:24:14] <gigaherz> in the morning, I move my dirty clothes onto the bed

L2233[13:24:18] <diesieben07> becaause then you have accompilshed nothing

L2234[13:24:19] <Dark> no just some things

L2235[13:24:20] <gigaherz> in the night, I move them onto the chair

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L2237[13:24:31] <gigaherz> the pile of dirty clothes didn't go anywhere ;P

L2238[13:24:44] <calclavia> Anyone know any FBX loader for Forge?

L2239[13:24:48] <Dark> honestly as I said its a per coder thing

L2240[13:24:53] <calclavia> or just Java in general

L2241[13:24:56] <gigaherz> I'm not aware of any

L2242[13:24:59] <gigaherz> for java, yes

L2243[13:25:02] <Dark> define FBX?

L2244[13:25:02] <sham1> FBX?

L2245[13:25:03] <gigaherz> I came across one

L2246[13:25:06] <gigaherz> FBX is a model format

L2247[13:25:09] <calclavia> Dark: the FBX model format

L2248[13:25:10] <gigaherz> quite standarized these days

L2249[13:25:19] <Dark> ah, have not seen one but shouldn't be hard to make

L2250[13:25:22] <calclavia> gigaherz: Ah, what is it called?

L2251[13:25:31] <gigaherz> https://code.google.com/p/micro-gzm-opengles/source/browse/trunk/MicroGZM/src/org/micro_gzm/v5/loaders/fbx/FBXLoader.java?r=10

L2252[13:25:36] <gigaherz> it was in this random repository

L2253[13:25:37] <gigaherz> XD

L2254[13:26:17] <calclavia> gigaherz: Think it's possible to adapt this to work with Forge?

L2255[13:26:23] <gigaherz> no idea

L2256[13:26:25] <gigaherz> but

L2257[13:26:28] <gigaherz> yes

L2258[13:26:29] <calclavia> that code seems too short to be true lol

L2259[13:26:31] <gigaherz> as in

L2260[13:26:35] <Dark> anyways tterrag that documentation looks good

L2261[13:26:41] <Dark> might want to hint at other options if that is ok

L2262[13:26:44] <gigaherz> anything that can give you a list of vertices can be adapted

L2263[13:26:45] <gigaherz> XD

L2264[13:27:05] <gigaherz> calclavia: the /fbx/ package has more stuff, that's just one class

L2265[13:27:06] <gigaherz> XD

L2266[13:27:07] <Dark> ^

L2267[13:27:11] <calclavia> ah ok

L2268[13:27:22] <sham1> Yeah, I could include some alternetive models of them proxies

L2269[13:27:35] <Dark> calclavia feel free to use this as a base https://github.com/DarkGuardsman/CodingLib/tree/master/src/main/java/com/builtbroken/jlib/model

L2270[13:27:47] <gigaherz> https://code.google.com/p/micro-gzm-opengles/source/browse/trunk/MicroGZM/src/org/micro_gzm/v5/loaders/fbx/FBXGeometry.java?r=10

L2271[13:27:49] <Dark> should work with anything as I only use it to generate models in code

L2272[13:27:54] <gigaherz> yeap

L2273[13:28:02] <gigaherz> positions, UVs, face indices

L2274[13:28:04] <gigaherz> looks doable

L2275[13:28:46] <gigaherz> that said

L2276[13:28:47] <calclavia> I don't see where it includes the animations part

L2277[13:28:48] <gigaherz> no idea if it works well

L2278[13:28:51] <Dark> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu-CHuZTi7U

L2279[13:28:54] <gigaherz> maybe it doesn't

L2280[13:28:55] <gigaherz> XD

L2281[13:28:59] <fry> FBX is sadly very closed and undocumented

L2282[13:29:05] <Dark> you will have to code animations yourself

L2283[13:29:08] <Dark> especially for MC

L2284[13:29:13] <Dark> that is is very simple

L2285[13:29:16] <Dark> just delta changes

L2286[13:29:45] <calclavia> fry: I'm looking into either importing Collada or FBX models

L2287[13:29:49] <calclavia> Some sort of model that contains animation

L2288[13:29:51] <fry> soon you won't have to, Dark :P

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L2290[13:29:59] <michael_> My subitem textures are not working and i'm getting these messages in the log: Model definition for location minecraft:tank.large#inventory not found.

L2291[13:30:00] <fry> calclavia: B3D loader is in forge already

L2292[13:30:06] <Dark> fry meh, tbh I would like to code my own animation system

L2293[13:30:06] <calclavia> fry: Does it handle animations?

L2294[13:30:07] <fry> and it loads animations :P

L2295[13:30:08] <Dark> need to learn it

L2296[13:30:09] <gigaherz> doesn't b3d do animations already?

L2297[13:30:09] <fry> yup

L2298[13:30:18] <calclavia> Oh, I thought it's static :\

L2299[13:30:18] <gigaherz> fry has always advertised it as animation-aware XD

L2300[13:30:22] <Hink> mumfrey— were can I get the macro keybind mod for 1.8?

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L2302[13:30:25] <Hink> *where

L2303[13:30:31] <Dark> calclavia thought you quit modding?

L2304[13:30:33] <michael_> it should be liquislots:tank.large

L2305[13:30:37] <fry> Dark: that's why I wrote mine :P

L2306[13:30:44] <calclavia> Dark: Helping out ThoughtSTEM for one week

L2307[13:30:49] <Dark> ah k

L2308[13:31:02] <Dark> calclavia if you end up writing a collada importer can you share it with me

L2309[13:31:04] <Dark> save me some time

L2310[13:31:45] <Dark> also calclavia care if I take over your version of MFFS offically?

L2311[13:31:51] <calclavia> fry: is B3D a standard?

L2312[13:31:58] <fry> kinda sorta

L2313[13:32:09] <fry> there's a spec, and blender exporter

L2314[13:32:12] <calclavia> Dark: You mean EDX?

L2315[13:32:13] <gigaherz> i nthesame sense .obj is a standard

L2316[13:32:13] <gigaherz> XD

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L2318[13:32:18] <calclavia> ok

L2319[13:32:21] <Dark> calclavia, just MFFS not sure about EDX

L2320[13:32:31] <Dark> based off of the older code

L2321[13:32:33] <gigaherz> http://www.blitzbasic.com/sdkspecs/sdkspecs/b3dfile_specs.txt

L2322[13:32:33] <calclavia> Dark: MFFS is a module of EDX

L2323[13:32:36] <calclavia> Oh ok

L2324[13:32:37] <gigaherz> someone defined a spec for it

L2325[13:32:51] <calclavia> Dark: Yeah, license it under LGPL v3

L2326[13:32:57] <Dark> cool :)

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L2328[13:33:13] <Dark> going to write from scratch so not sure the LGPL v3 matters?

L2329[13:33:19] <gigaherz> old stuff for new mc \o/

L2330[13:33:53] <calclavia> Dark: Well, I'd still like to have access to the source. Who knows if I'm interested in going back in the future

L2331[13:33:57] <calclavia> to modding

L2332[13:34:14] <Dark> it will be visible source

L2333[13:34:16] <calclavia> Ok

L2334[13:34:21] <Dark> I only close source client's code

L2335[13:34:33] <Dark> but that part of freelancing contracts

L2336[13:35:30] <IoP> aurgh diesieben07 hint to listen keyboard events was nice but how I'm supposed to get those events if game is still loading / main thread hangs... (probably time to read lwjgl API)

L2337[13:37:15] <Unh0ly_Tigg> fry, how much work do you think it would be to support this for a model resource format? https://www.khronos.org/gltf/

L2338[13:37:52] <fry> no idea, probably same amount of work as any other model format

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L2340[13:38:33] <fry> gltf is packet-vertex-data based though, which does not mesh well with MC, so there would be little point to it

L2341[13:39:09] <Dark> could always convert it in code

L2342[13:39:19] <Dark> or am i wrong on that idea fry?

L2343[13:39:47] <fry> yup, can convert it of course

L2344[13:40:19] <fry> but there would be little point to actually using gltf then :P

L2345[13:40:45] <Dark> true, think of those edge cases were a asset developer made something

L2346[13:40:49] <Dark> then your stuck with it

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L2348[13:41:15] <gigaherz> if oyu have the data packed into neat vertex-structs

L2349[13:41:24] <fry> can then convert it using some non-MC tools then :P

L2350[13:41:26] <calclavia> fry: https://github.com/alrusdi/blender-b3d-exporter/blob/master/b3d_export.py i'm guessing this is the b3d blender exporter?

L2351[13:41:29] <gigaherz> you could just dump each face into a BakeQuad almost as-is

L2352[13:41:30] <gigaherz> xD

L2353[13:41:32] <fry> yes, calclavia

L2354[13:41:37] <fry> wait

L2355[13:41:47] <fry> calclavia: https://github.com/RainWarrior/B3DExport/blob/master/B3DExport.py

L2356[13:42:04] <calclavia> thanks

L2357[13:42:06] <gigaherz> https://github.com/RainWarrior/B3DExport ... ah I was late

L2358[13:42:30] <Dark> fry you wouldn't happen to an auto cad to blender exporter/importer

L2359[13:42:51] <gigaherz> is that gltf thing using json?

L2360[13:42:57] <fry> Dark: do it via FBX probably, or collada - blender can import those

L2361[13:43:11] <Dark> hmm guess that will work

L2362[13:43:21] <gigaherz> "glTF assets are JSON files plus supporting external data. " ah yep

L2363[13:43:22] <Dark> trying to find a short cut for one of my asset developers

L2364[13:43:48] <gigaherz> FBX is the de-facto standard for models

L2365[13:43:59] <gigaherz> .obj if you just need raw geometry without animations

L2366[13:44:33] <gigaherz> blender apparently reverse-engineered the fbx format and has its own import/export modules withoutusing the official FBX SDK

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L2371[13:55:39] <Ronzan> Does anyone have experience with DCE VM or similar to get better hot swapping? (or is this too much off topic?) ;)

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L2373[13:59:07] <sham1> nothing is too offtopic

L2374[13:59:19] <sham1> anyway

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L2376[13:59:26] <Ronzan> hehe ok

L2377[14:00:00] <IoP> \o/

L2378[14:00:01] <Dark> might help to know what DCE VE means

L2379[14:00:13] <Dark> though I assume VM is virtual machine

L2380[14:00:21] <Ronzan> Dynamic Code Evolution virtual machine

L2381[14:00:36] <Unh0ly_Tigg> http://ssw.jku.at/dcevm/

L2382[14:00:45] <Ronzan> they claim to have better hotswapping functionality than the standard java VM

L2383[14:01:17] <Dark> oh interesting

L2384[14:01:32] <Ronzan> thought it would be nice when playing around without any fixed design or plan

L2385[14:01:45] <Dark> it would

L2386[14:01:47] <tterrag> so what was the concensus on the proxies? :P

L2387[14:02:01] <Dark> though not sure how well that works with MC considering most work is done load time

L2388[14:02:16] <Dark> tterrag, not sure but your documentation looks ok

L2389[14:02:24] <Dark> I would say IProxy would work

L2390[14:02:42] <tterrag> mine?

L2391[14:02:50] <Ronzan> Dark, for some stuff it would probably work fine, I'm working on gui stuff at the moment, and for that it should work I guess

L2392[14:02:54] <Dark> the one you linked, not sure it is yours but meh

L2393[14:03:02] <tterrag> sham1 made that PR

L2394[14:03:06] <Dark> ah my bad

L2395[14:03:34] <Dark> Ronzan technically you can use normal debug hotswapping for that

L2396[14:03:41] <Dark> just have to reload the GUI every time you change it

L2397[14:03:51] <Ronzan> not when adding new methods/fields to a class ;)

L2398[14:03:51] <Dark> as MC only calls update on it every so often

L2399[14:03:56] <Dark> that is true

L2400[14:04:02] <Dark> this would be useful for that

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L2402[14:04:13] <Dark> tempted to try it myself actually

L2403[14:04:31] <Ronzan> I could of course also be a good little developer and do a minimal of design before starting to code stuff hehe

L2404[14:04:41] <Dark> that too :)

L2405[14:04:44] <Ronzan> :)

L2406[14:04:46] <Dark> really does help to design for writing

L2407[14:04:54] <Dark> code goes very fast that way

L2408[14:04:59] <Ronzan> Aye

L2409[14:05:19] <Ronzan> I normally do that though

L2410[14:06:00] <Ronzan> But I'm a java noob so I didn't want to fiddle too much with the VM stuff, thought I would check with some of the gurus in here :P

L2411[14:06:24] <Dark> tbh it may not be worth it

L2412[14:06:28] <Dark> MC only takes a few mins to load

L2413[14:06:38] <Ronzan> yeah

L2414[14:06:41] <Dark> most of the time you do not add or remove methods

L2415[14:06:52] <SkySom> Unless you have a lot of mods :/

L2416[14:06:59] <SkySom> And a potato computer

L2417[14:07:00] <Ronzan> and with my one block mod it takes very little time

L2418[14:07:02] <Dark> even then, I have 47 mods might I note

L2419[14:07:20] <Dark> good prefabs solve adding/remove methods

L2420[14:07:40] <Dark> also templates for days

L2421[14:07:40] <Ronzan> as I said, it is probably better just to think a bit before mashing keys hehe

L2422[14:07:45] <Dark> ^

L2423[14:07:52] <Ronzan> I just got "lazy"

L2424[14:08:02] <Dark> not going to lie, I've wasted hours when I don't design first

L2425[14:08:14] <Dark> first time I made fluid pipes

L2426[14:08:15] <Ronzan> hehe yeah, tell me about it :)

L2427[14:08:21] <Dark> spent 12 hours guessing

L2428[14:08:40] <Dark> 10 mins of design and 1 hour after I made it correct

L2429[14:08:45] <Ronzan> hehe

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L2431[14:09:12] <Dark> also pro type Ronzan when designing also think about JUnit

L2432[14:09:16] <Dark> helps find bugs

L2433[14:09:44] <Dark> https://github.com/BuiltBrokenModding/MinecraftJUnit

L2434[14:10:42] <Ronzan> neat

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L2436[14:11:15] <Ronzan> will do that if I ever make something larger hehe

L2437[14:11:33] <Dark> https://github.com/BuiltBrokenModding/VoltzEngine/blob/development/src/test/scala/com/builtbroken/test/prefab/tile/TestTile.java

L2438[14:11:40] <Dark> even small mods it saves years of work

L2439[14:11:54] <Dark> as it automatically detects bugs

L2440[14:12:10] <tterrag> if you have any concerns/suggestions please voice them here https://github.com/MinecraftForge/Documentation/pull/29

L2441[14:14:37] <calclavia> fry: You know any sample code out there showing how to use Forge's B3D to say, run an animation?

L2442[14:16:09] <fry> calclavia: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/master/src/test/java/net/minecraftforge/debug/ModelAnimationDebug.java

L2443[14:16:18] <calclavia> thx

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L2445[14:16:52] <Dark> fry how does 1ms per 100 blocks sound for a pathfinder?

L2446[14:17:11] <fry> pathfinder - probably ok :P

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L2448[14:18:28] <Dark> now to see how long 100K blocks takes

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L2450[14:22:10] <Dark> \0/ ran out of memory

L2451[14:25:10] <MattDahEpic> wow its soo cool to see the sine wave of runs for my mods that peaks on the weekends

L2452[14:27:48] <Dark> speaking of which MattDahEpic think you can help me replicate that run tracker you have

L2453[14:28:00] <Dark> looking to do the same thing for my mods

L2454[14:28:35] <MattDahEpic> i guess

L2455[14:29:37] <Dark> https://github.com/BuiltBrokenModding/VoltzEngine/blob/development/src/main/scala/com/builtbroken/mc/core/deps/GoogleAnalytics.java

L2456[14:29:59] <Dark> almost the same as yours, though I'm tracking all mods

L2457[14:30:22] <Dark> that way I can see what mods are run with mine

L2458[14:30:52] <MattDahEpic> if you track all mods, you start to get to the point where you have so many runs the free google analytics accounts wont track all the runs

L2459[14:31:06] <Dark> thats not a problem :)

L2460[14:31:23] <MattDahEpic> and you have the property set up in ga?

L2461[14:31:52] <Dark> I think so but not sure

L2462[14:32:32] <MattDahEpic> the runs get updated each day at midnight pacific

L2463[14:32:48] <Dark> ah so not instant

L2464[14:33:15] <MattDahEpic> the next day you can see when they happened during the previous day

L2465[14:35:09] <MattDahEpic> i made a dashboard in ga to look at the mod runs, i sorted urls by whether they had -client or -server and if they had -deobf. it ends up looking like http://i.imgur.com/DnatCN9.png

L2466[14:36:06] <MattDahEpic> the center column has the total run data for deobf and not

L2467[14:36:09] <Dark> nice

L2468[14:36:18] <MattDahEpic> and the sides have client or dedicated server runs

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L2470[14:42:22] <Dark> So I just goofed up, thought I was pathing 100K blocks nope 27M blocks

L2471[14:42:36] <Dark> still waiting on MC to crash

L2472[14:42:54] <Dark> also ty MattDahEpic

L2473[14:42:59] <Dark> think I got it working

L2474[14:43:18] <MattDahEpic> cool

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L2478[14:49:18] <MattDahEpic> the people who made stanley parable and beginners guide have put out another one, its a mindfuck and its free: http://store.steampowered.com/app/409160/

L2479[14:50:03] <ThePsionic> Without looking

L2480[14:50:16] <ThePsionic> Dr. Langeskov, the Tiger, and The Terribly Cursed Emerald

L2481[14:50:22] <MattDahEpic> yup

L2482[14:50:25] <tterrag> Dr. Langeskov, The Tiger, and The Terribly Cursed Emerald: A Whirlwind Heist

L2483[14:50:26] <tterrag> close :P

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L2485[14:50:32] <ThePsionic> Close enough

L2486[14:50:38] <tterrag> I'll play it probably

L2487[14:50:41] <tterrag> but first...exam time

L2488[14:50:43] <tterrag> later all o/

L2489[14:50:45] <ThePsionic> I've played it to completion already

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L2491[14:50:48] <MattDahEpic> its 15 minutes long of mindfuck

L2492[14:50:49] <ThePsionic> Funny little game

L2493[14:51:28] <Dark> fast download too

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L2495[14:52:38] <MattDahEpic> the press releases had people names in the game

L2496[14:53:02] <MattDahEpic> i still like display quality cardboard

L2497[14:53:11] * smbarbour is sad that it isn't on Linux.

L2498[14:53:22] <MattDahEpic> its a unity game soooooo

L2499[14:53:27] <MattDahEpic> im suprised it isnt

L2500[14:54:19] <Dark> that is interesting, as linux is not hard to do in unity

L2501[14:54:29] <Dark> just have to watch not to include libraries not part of Unity

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L2505[15:09:02] <minecreatr> what is GradleStart called in gradle 2.0?

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L2507[15:10:49] <kashike> same thing

L2508[15:11:52] <michael_> Should custom armor models in 1.8 still be using ModelBiped or is there a new system for that?

L2509[15:12:15] <Jofkos> I’m trying to run my mod on the newest 1.8.8 build, but forge ignores the 'mcversion' set in the mcmod.info file. What am i doing wrong?

L2510[15:13:05] <minecreatr> im getting java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: GradleStart when I try to run....

L2511[15:13:31] <minecreatr> is GradleStart not used anymore?

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L2514[15:15:50] <diesieben07> yes it is

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L2516[15:16:31] <IoP> diesieben07: I've been banging my head with lwjgl keyboard events. Next idea:?

L2517[15:16:35] <minecreatr> do I have to specify the path to GradleStart now? because I dont actually know where it is?

L2518[15:17:02] <diesieben07> throw new NoSuchElementException("out of ideas")

L2519[15:17:11] <diesieben07> minecreatr, no, it's just a normal class.

L2520[15:17:25] <minecreatr> huh, then why am I getting java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: GradleStart?

L2521[15:17:41] <diesieben07> I don't know

L2522[15:17:45] <diesieben07> re-run the setup maybe

L2523[15:17:50] <minecreatr> yeah....

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L2525[15:18:46] <IoP> Even if I could read keyboard from other thread code would be really messy

L2526[15:18:50] <michael_> Should custom armor models in 1.8 still be using ModelBiped or is there a new system for that??

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L2528[15:20:12] <Jofkos> No one? :O

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L2535[15:21:49] <diesieben07> Jofkos, mcmod.info tells what version your mod is designed for, if you want to chagne the version of your dev environment you have to change the version in the build.gradle and re-run the setup tasks

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L2543[15:23:02] <Jofkos> yeah i known. But i’d like to keep my mods dev environment like it is and run my mod on forge 1.8.8

L2544[15:23:10] <Jofkos> „The mod does not wish to run in Minecraft version Minecraft 1.8.8. You will have to remove it to play."

L2545[15:23:30] <diesieben07> ohhh.

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L2548[15:23:54] <michael_> Well I got diconnected

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L2558[15:24:13] <diesieben07> Jofkos, Set acceptedMinecraftVersions to "[1.8,1.9)" in your @Mod

L2559[15:24:19] <michael_> If anyone answered please repeat

L2560[15:24:26] <smbarbour> Jofkos: Do you have useMetadata=true set in @Mod?

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L2562[15:24:50] <fry> michael_: look into layer system

L2563[15:25:04] <Jofkos> no. What is that doing?

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L2566[15:25:40] <Jofkos> diesieben07: i’ll try that

L2567[15:25:41] <smbarbour> Setting useMetadata=true makes it so that it actually uses mcmod.info as the authoritative source of the metadata (like versions)

L2568[15:26:02] <Jofkos> Oo okaay

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L2572[15:26:14] <Jofkos> thank you, i’ll try that ^^

L2573[15:27:22] <michael_> fry, Do you mean the skin layers? I have an actual 3d model extending ModelBiped. I copied it from 1.7 and it works but the model is very small and not positioned correctly

L2574[15:27:46] * fry didn't look deeply into armor rendering

L2575[15:28:28] <Jofkos> useMetadata didn’t work, acceptedMinecraftVersions did

L2576[15:28:48] <killjoy> afaik, fg adds that when you build

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L2579[15:29:36] <michael_> Its weird that the exact same code from 1.7 works but doesn't render the armor in the correct place and scale as it did in 1.7

L2580[15:30:11] <fry> some things about armor definitely changed

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L2588[15:36:50] <MattDahEpic> for some reason im getting Unable to play unknown soundEvent with the code https://github.com/MattDahEpic/ExtraRecords/blob/1.8.8/src/main/java/com/mattdahepic/extrarecords/config/RecordResource.java#L44

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L2590[15:40:15] <killjoy> MattDahEpic, does sounds.json not work?

L2591[15:40:30] <killjoy> Also, why are you setting to the same instance?

L2592[15:41:25] <MattDahEpic> sounds.json wont work because the sounds are provided by the user and are provided in config files

L2593[15:41:53] <killjoy> You can still add it as a custom resource repository

L2594[15:42:11] <michael_> Well after a quick search it seems custom armor should still use the old model system, but I still cant figure out why the model wont display correctly

L2595[15:42:36] <MattDahEpic> killjoy, how do dat

L2596[15:42:58] <Dark> https://youtu.be/jxSXPD3Z974?t=57

L2597[15:43:58] <killjoy> implement IResourcePack

L2598[15:44:17] <MattDahEpic> kill look at the code i just pasted

L2599[15:44:26] <MattDahEpic> public class RecordResource implements IResourcePack

L2600[15:44:35] <killjoy> aalright,s o you're already ddoing that

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L2603[15:46:16] <michael_> fry, can you help me with this model? this is what it looks like: http://imgur.com/DKbIB3S It should be bigger and on the back not on legs

L2604[15:47:02] <killjoy> MattDahEpic, just register the IResourcePack with forge

L2605[15:47:02] <michael_> Here's the model class: http://pastebin.com/Q1x6HAZT

L2606[15:48:35] <MattDahEpic> killjoy, hao

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L2608[15:51:49] <killjoy> You can probably doing by wrapping it in a ModContainer and using FMLClientHandler.addModAsResource

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L2610[15:52:46] <killjoy> otherwise reflect fmlclienthandler.resourcePack[List|Map]

L2611[15:53:32] <MattDahEpic> im kind of already doing that. im relfecting it into Minecraft.defaultResourcePacks

L2612[15:55:46] <killjoy> I guess if you're getting not found errors, the issue is in your IResourcePack

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L2614[15:56:21] <killjoy> Are you also generating the sounds.json?

L2615[15:56:47] <MattDahEpic> no

L2616[15:56:55] <killjoy> that's why it can't find the sounds

L2617[15:57:02] <killjoy> sounds are special

L2618[15:57:37] <MattDahEpic> whats the format so i can gson it into existance

L2619[15:57:54] <killjoy> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Sounds.json

L2620[15:58:42] <killjoy> example http://pastebin.com/4U2bd2Sm

L2621[15:59:11] <killjoy> heh, the first one makes zombies burp

L2622[16:01:01] <fry> Dark: nice

L2623[16:01:22] <fry> michael_: try looking at vanilla armor models, and see how those changed

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L2625[16:05:38] <killjoy> MattDahEpic, see net.minecraft.client.audio.SoundListSerializer

L2626[16:06:59] <MattDahEpic> how do you add soundlists to the soundlistlist

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L2628[16:08:31] <killjoy> It's deserialized as a map

L2629[16:08:44] <killjoy> Map<String,SoundList>

L2630[16:08:56] <killjoy> via SoundHandler

L2631[16:09:20] <killjoy> {"soundid":{"sound":"thing"}}

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L2633[16:11:30] <killjoy> This is how dinnerbone explained it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/1ont25/snapshot_13w42a_has_been_released/cctryvp

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L2636[16:15:15] <IoP> diesieben07: https://paste.ee/p/muoWu better? ;)

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L2638[16:15:33] <Pennyw95> Do you have any idea why this isn't working? http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php/board,73.0.html

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L2642[16:16:55] <michael_> fry, What armors in vannila have a custom model??

L2643[16:17:31] <fry> they have some models, no?

L2644[16:18:16] <Matthew> fry, your latest forge commit didn't build it seems

L2645[16:18:21] <Matthew> hmm lex's didn't either

L2646[16:18:46] <michael_> They all just use the default normal armor model as far as i remember

L2647[16:19:00] <gigaherz> heh ark on xboxone early access preview http://www.twitch.tv/sl1pg8r

L2648[16:19:01] <fry> Matthew: yes, jenkins is broken, waiting for Lex to come back

L2649[16:19:21] <fry> michael_: did that model change? that may point you to the changes you need to do for your model

L2650[16:19:33] <Matthew> fry, oh! if it's patch failures: run it with --refresh-dependencies

L2651[16:19:46] <Matthew> he updated the mcp patches

L2652[16:20:02] <fry> can't do that on jenkins

L2653[16:20:16] <fry> it works locally, yes

L2654[16:20:29] <Matthew> 0_o why can't jenkins do that?

L2655[16:21:12] <fry> because I don't have access to it? :P

L2656[16:21:25] <Matthew> oh lol

L2657[16:22:16] <Pennyw95> whata the differences between 1.7 and 1.8's TESRs?

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L2659[16:23:00] <fry> almost none

L2660[16:23:12] <fry> 1 argument added for block breaking progress

L2661[16:23:23] <Pennyw95> oh

L2662[16:23:40] <Zaggy1024> except with 1.8.8 you can use the generic arguments of TESR to remove a cast :)

L2663[16:23:56] <Pennyw95> because I ported my renderer from 1.7 to my 1.8 mod and the model follows the player instead of sticking to the tilee..why?

L2664[16:25:03] <fry> you ported it incorrectly :P

L2665[16:25:16] <Pennyw95> well :P

L2666[16:25:18] <fry> check how you manage translation

L2667[16:25:36] <Pennyw95> wait I have a pastebin

L2668[16:25:53] <Pennyw95> actually a forum post.. http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php/board,73.0.html

L2669[16:25:59] <Pennyw95> can you see anything out of place?

L2670[16:26:43] <fry> wrong link

L2671[16:26:57] <Pennyw95> sorry

L2672[16:26:58] <Pennyw95> http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/index.php/topic,35465.msg186777.html#msg186777

L2673[16:30:44] <fry> Pennyw95: try GlStateManager.translate(x - te.getPos().getX(), y - te.getPos().getY(), z - te.getPos().getZ())

L2674[16:30:55] <fry> instead of GlStateManager.translate(x, y, z);

L2675[16:31:38] <Pennyw95> ok

L2676[16:34:44] <Pennyw95> also, is there a difference between using GLStateManager and GL11?

L2677[16:35:02] <calclavia> fry: The file you linked seems to render a block using B3D. I'm trying to do an entity. I think it should be similar, but there's no way to get block states

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L2680[16:38:33] <fry> calclavia: https://github.com/RainWarrior/MinecraftForge/blob/model-animation/src/test/java/net/minecraftforge/debug/ModelAnimationDebug.java#L340-L428

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L2682[16:38:55] <fry> commented parts do the model rendering

L2683[16:38:58] <Zaggy1024> I just realized that IPlantable.getPlant is entirely useless

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L2685[16:39:05] <calclavia> fry: thanks. There it is!

L2686[16:39:06] <Zaggy1024> it literally serves no purpose that I can see, at least in vanilla

L2687[16:39:20] <fry> calclavia: usage of the lighter is optional, it's for smooth lighting

L2688[16:39:42] <Zaggy1024> and I'm not sure what use it is for mods either, as it has no defined behavior other than world.getBlockState

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L2690[16:40:39] <Zaggy1024> wait, no, I guess it gets default state

L2691[16:40:51] <Zaggy1024> which...I suppose might be useful?

L2692[16:41:01] <Zaggy1024> to get the base state for something to use

L2693[16:41:07] <Pennyw95> fry: using your line the whole model disappears :(

L2694[16:41:16] <Zaggy1024> but then if it's a plant that grows to more than one block tall, it's useless

L2695[16:41:24] <fry> Pennyw95: go to 0, 0, 0, place the block there, look around

L2696[16:42:42] <Zaggy1024> should I change IPlantable.getPlant to a placePlant method?

L2697[16:43:05] <Zaggy1024> since some plants won't necessarily only use one block, so placing that single state returned by getPlant won't necessarily work

L2698[16:43:26] <williewillus> what does getplant return right now, block?

L2699[16:43:42] <Zaggy1024> IBlockState

L2700[16:43:56] <calclavia> fry: Just curious, does b3d store textures also? or just texture map data?

L2701[16:43:56] <Zaggy1024> it returns the youngest version of the plant, AFAICT

L2702[16:44:04] <williewillus> yeah i think placeplant makes more sense

L2703[16:44:06] <Zaggy1024> which for most plants is just getDefaultState

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L2705[16:45:14] <Zaggy1024> wish tterrag was around, because he's the one person I know of who's used IPlantable :P

L2706[16:45:44] <Zaggy1024> I'm not sure if it would be useful to have the base state anyway, but then if someone needs the base state of a double plant, things will probably look very strange

L2707[16:46:01] <Pennyw95> please tell me there is a teleport command in vanilla minecraft?

L2708[16:46:13] <Zaggy1024> tp?

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L2710[16:46:27] <gigaherz> sure, /tp playerfrom playerto

L2711[16:46:38] <gigaherz> or /tp player coords

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L2713[16:47:04] <fry> calclavia: texture map data + texture locations; you can set textres using normal 1.8 means: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/master/src/test/resources/assets/forgedebugmodelanimation/blockstates/test_animation_block.json#L4-L6

L2714[16:47:17] <gigaherz> but if you want to see how to teleport a player, you can just look at the ender pearl entity ;P

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L2716[16:47:59] <fry> Pennyw95: I think there is now, /tp

L2717[16:48:11] <Pennyw95> oh ok I see it now

L2718[16:48:14] * fry needs to read before he writes

L2719[16:48:14] <Pennyw95> but it still follows me

L2720[16:48:18] <calclavia> fry: Hmm. I'm just doing a test model at the moment. Seems like it's asking for a JSON file. Caused by: java.lang.RuntimeException: java.io.FileNotFoundException: modid:models/entity/cube.b3d.json

L2721[16:48:39] <fry> calclavia: did you do B3DLoader.addDomain(modid)?

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L2723[16:49:06] <calclavia> Ah ok, added that in

L2724[16:49:10] <fry> .json is appended for vanilla models, and vanilla loader is always tried after all custom loaders try to accept the model

L2725[16:49:22] <calclavia> I see

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L2728[16:51:27] <Pennyw95> why does stick around the player? and appear only at 0,0,0?

L2729[16:52:33] <Pennyw95> Oh well, that was to test if renderTileAt coords were the same as te.getPos, right?

L2730[16:52:34] <Zaggy1024> yay! it works! :)

L2731[16:52:35] <Zaggy1024> http://i.imgur.com/UJGpEYy.png

L2732[16:53:13] <Zaggy1024> apparently for the longest time Forge has changed the behavior of farmland to not die when non-growing plants are on it

L2733[16:53:26] <fry> Pennyw95: te.getPos is the in-world TE coords; passed in x, y, z, should be the distance from the camera to the TE, I think

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L2735[16:54:08] <Pennyw95> so, since the passed x, y, z change with the player movements, the model follows the player...

L2736[16:54:19] <Pennyw95> does this mean that I'm not supposed to use them then

L2737[16:54:31] <fry> try removing all offsets first

L2738[16:54:34] <fry> see what that does

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L2740[16:54:55] <Pennyw95> you mean removing translate right?

L2741[16:54:58] <fry> yup

L2742[16:55:06] <Pennyw95> ok

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L2744[16:56:19] <calclavia> fry: If I'm rendering a model with no texture, would it show up?

L2745[16:56:31] <calclavia> (as like, a purple temporary texture)

L2746[16:56:42] <calclavia> I'm just doing an animation experiment

L2747[16:57:10] <fry> yup, purple texture

L2748[16:58:05] <Pennyw95> fry: without offsets, it's centered on the player like this: http://imgur.com/28V92Fv

L2749[16:58:08] <calclavia> Weird, it's not rendering for me. Render method gets called, but no model is drawn.

L2750[16:58:29] <calclavia> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4jOGFm3q/

L2751[16:58:39] <calclavia> Pretty much a copy and paste

L2752[16:58:56] <fry> Pennyw95: so, same way as with offsets? then offsets aren't working

L2753[16:59:31] <Pennyw95> well translate() moves it but doesn't solve the problem

L2754[16:59:55] <fry> calclavia: try looking around 0, 0, 0 too, since you're doing https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4jOGFm3q/

L2755[17:00:16] <fry> *worldRenderer.setTranslation(-pos.getX() - 0.5, -pos.getY() - 1.5, -pos.getZ() - 0.5);

L2756[17:00:29] <fry> Pennyw95: how does it move it?

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L2758[17:02:14] <fry> calclavia: I'm extending RenderLiving, and passing the ModelBase to the constructor; it's possible that that class adds additional transformations

L2759[17:02:58] <Pennyw95> well, if I pass the renderTileAt()'s coords (the camera distance) it keeps it near the player, if I use the te's coords, it disappear (renderered very far away given the coords are in the thousands). In all cases the model follows the player

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L2761[17:03:09] <calclavia> that's true

L2762[17:03:30] <fry> Pennyw95: near the player how?

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L2764[17:03:43] <Pennyw95> I'll make a screenshot

L2765[17:05:13] <fry> calclavia: RenderLivingAt.renderLivingEntity translates to x, y, z, at least

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L2767[17:06:38] <calclavia> fry: that did it

L2768[17:06:42] <calclavia> Alright, gonna test the animation

L2769[17:06:44] <fry> \o/

L2770[17:07:00] <Pennyw95> fry: http://imgur.com/uuqb6Mm

L2771[17:07:06] <calclavia> fry: Do i need to have some export setting in Blender to bundle in the animation by default, or is it automatic/

L2772[17:07:13] <Pennyw95> sometimes the model disappears, too...weird

L2773[17:07:25] <calclavia> lol, I should write a tutorial on how to do this after I get it working... so other people won't pester you

L2774[17:08:32] <gigaherz> calclavia: if you are comfortable with markdown: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/Documentation

L2775[17:08:32] <gigaherz> ;P

L2776[17:08:42] <calclavia> gigaherz: I'm good with MD

L2777[17:08:49] <gigaherz> although I don't know if they want blender help in there

L2778[17:08:49] <gigaherz> :/

L2779[17:09:23] <smbarbour> Help is good as long as it isn't bad advice.

L2780[17:09:27] <gigaherz> "Exporting B3D for use in forge" seems like a valid documentation page

L2781[17:09:28] <fry> calclavia: automatic, but a little finicky; you need a track in the NLA editor + armature

L2782[17:10:04] <fry> also, code part of that tutorial will change in a little while, since I'm adding animation system to forge :P

L2783[17:10:44] <calclavia> fry: Nice. Is it going to be a lightweight one or full featured?

L2784[17:11:08] <fry> eh, hard to tell :P

L2785[17:11:48] <fry> it can do this: http://gfycat.com/SingleExhaustedKronosaurus

L2786[17:12:34] <calclavia> http://puu.sh/lVLgJ/8cf15e0276.png

L2787[17:13:21] <fry> you need to do something with it, so it ends up in NLA editor

L2788[17:13:32] * fry tries to remember

L2789[17:13:38] <calclavia> I'm googling...

L2790[17:13:46] <calclavia> but I'm not a modeler XD So I'm not that good with this

L2791[17:13:50] <Pennyw95> fry: also, I'm using a tabula model, if that matters

L2792[17:14:06] <fry> calclavia: also, you need a skeleton

L2793[17:14:23] <fry> object animation won't work, I think

L2794[17:14:23] <calclavia> fry: So I can't just have a cube rotate haha?

L2795[17:14:37] <fry> add 1 bone, tie it to the cube, rotate that :P

L2796[17:15:32] <fry> Pennyw95: is distance to the TE always a multiple of 1, if you translate by x, y, z? or does the distance change smoothly?

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L2798[17:18:23] <Pennyw95> if the distance was always a multiple of 1, the movement would look laggy, jumping from blcok to block, riht?

L2799[17:18:41] <MattDahEpic> farlands!

L2800[17:18:52] <calclavia> http://puu.sh/lVLEB/3f6c16ee14.jpg

L2801[17:18:57] <Pennyw95> if that's what you mean no, it's smooth

L2802[17:18:58] <calclavia> I'm trying it out with your chest model

L2803[17:19:27] <calclavia> in this file you gave me, you didn't seem to use the model variable at all https://github.com/RainWarrior/MinecraftForge/blob/model-animation/src/test/java/net/minecraftforge/debug/ModelAnimationDebug.java#L340-L428

L2804[17:19:33] <calclavia> fry: ^

L2805[17:19:52] <fry> yup, you need to uncomment model parts

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L2807[17:20:16] <fry> I've commented them out since I was messing with animations

L2808[17:22:06] <fry> what you see on the screenshot is the debug quad, rendered by those 4 scary calls to worldRenderer

L2809[17:25:26] <calclavia> Wow. Baked quads gave an empty list of quads...

L2810[17:25:53] <fry> hmm?

L2811[17:25:58] <fry> face or general?

L2812[17:26:55] <calclavia> List<BakedQuad> quads = bakedModel.getGeneralQuads();

L2813[17:27:01] <calclavia> quards.size(0) = 0

L2814[17:27:04] <gigaherz> plain cubes don't have general quads

L2815[17:27:18] <gigaherz> but no idea what the model you are loading is

L2816[17:27:18] <fry> yup, you might be getting missing model there

L2817[17:27:18] <gigaherz> XD

L2818[17:27:34] <fry> missing model has 6 face quads, I think

L2819[17:27:42] <fry> are there any errors in the log?

L2820[17:27:44] <gigaherz> missing model is just a standard cube right?

L2821[17:27:50] <gigaherz> so it would have one quad per face

L2822[17:27:52] <fry> not quite

L2823[17:28:10] <calclavia> Missing model should throw exception

L2824[17:28:19] <calclavia> Since we've got Throwables.propagate(e);

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L2826[17:29:36] <fry> ModelLoaderRegistry.getModel will return missing model in some cases

L2827[17:30:13] <Zaggy1024> vanilla lighting engine sure makes farmland look weird :P

L2828[17:31:06] <calclavia> fry: This is what the breakpoint tells me http://puu.sh/lVMql/abbb727c6f.png

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L2830[17:31:47] <fry> so, the IModel is correct

L2831[17:32:10] <fry> ah, where did you grab the model from?

L2832[17:32:14] <fry> it might be a bit old

L2833[17:32:25] <calclavia> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/tree/master/src/test/resources/assets/forgedebugmodelloaderregistry/models/block

L2834[17:32:26] <fry> yup, it is

L2835[17:32:33] <fry> it has Cube.001

L2836[17:32:45] <fry> try tree/1.8.8 instead

L2837[17:33:10] <calclavia> fry: Also, I don't see where your chest texture file is located

L2838[17:33:41] <fry> Texture[path=#chest.png, you can see it in that screenshot

L2839[17:33:50] <Zaggy1024> http://i.imgur.com/FoXhFFU.png vs http://i.imgur.com/svQobsk.png

L2840[17:33:51] <fry> you can remap it using retexture

L2841[17:34:20] <fry> Zaggy1024: which one is vanilla, which one is forge? :P

L2842[17:34:25] <Zaggy1024> first one is vanilla

L2843[17:34:31] <fry> phew

L2844[17:34:35] <Zaggy1024> lol

L2845[17:34:39] <fry> imho forge look better :P

L2846[17:35:53] <Zaggy1024> yeah it does

L2847[17:36:28] <Zaggy1024> when it's one farmland surrounded by full blocks in vanilla: http://i.imgur.com/zXo3aDa.png

L2848[17:36:36] <Zaggy1024> almost looks hydrated when you have nothing to compare it to

L2849[17:36:41] <fry> yup yup

L2850[17:37:00] <calclavia> fry: it seems like in your code, you're trying to "hack" the entity render by faking a block

L2851[17:37:08] <calclavia> I don't really have a block registered for it, so it's giving an NPE

L2852[17:37:24] <calclavia> at net.minecraftforge.client.model.pipeline.BlockInfo.updateShift(BlockInfo.java:40) ~[BlockInfo.class:?]

L2853[17:37:40] <killjoy> Well this is nifty. http://downdetector.com/status/minecraft

L2854[17:38:03] <fry> calclavia: yes, that's for smooth lighting; you can avoid that, and pipe directly to the WorldRenderer - use WorldRendererConsumer instead of VertexLighterFlat

L2855[17:38:21] <Zaggy1024> http://i.imgur.com/urdvzM1.png

L2856[17:38:31] <Zaggy1024> so what do you think about that for the new IPlantable?

L2857[17:38:43] <Zaggy1024> (getPlant is still under consideration :P)

L2858[17:39:08] <fry> calclavia: but use the vertex format without field_181716_p, and set brightness via other means

L2859[17:39:46] <calclavia> fry: You do something like quad.pipe(worldRendererConsumer); but I don't see where you actually render the quad (put vertices in the world)?

L2860[17:40:01] <fry> tessellator.draw();

L2861[17:40:18] <fry> that's the call that actually does the rendering

L2862[17:40:25] <calclavia> but the baked quad isn't passed into the tesselator

L2863[17:40:32] <calclavia> unless something is happening behind the scenes

L2864[17:40:40] <fry> worldRenderer is from the tessellator

L2865[17:40:46] <calclavia> Ok

L2866[17:40:47] <fry> WorldRenderer worldRenderer = tessellator.getWorldRenderer()

L2867[17:41:04] <calclavia> So i guess when you pipe it to worldRendererConsumer, it will handle it there?

L2868[17:41:11] <fry> yup

L2869[17:41:18] <fry> it'll add stuff to the buffer

L2870[17:41:35] <fry> and .draw() uploads that buffer to the GPU and does the drawing

L2871[17:43:09] <calclavia> java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 0 at net.minecraftforge.client.model.pipeline.LightUtil.pack(LightUtil.java:209)

L2872[17:43:18] <calclavia> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vWE344xR/

L2873[17:43:31] <calclavia> Must be something to do with the lighting now..

L2874[17:43:36] <calclavia> I'm getting the correct # of quads

L2875[17:45:23] <fry> change the vertex format

L2876[17:45:32] <Pennyw95> uhm..fry? I solved it

L2877[17:45:42] <fry> how? :P

L2878[17:46:22] <calclavia> fry: Vertex format is supposed to be Block or Item?

L2879[17:46:30] <calclavia> there's no entity

L2880[17:46:34] <fry> calclavia: try field_181709_i

L2881[17:46:42] <calclavia> lol, that seems random...

L2882[17:46:44] <fry> entity is field_181703_c

L2883[17:46:53] <Pennyw95> I have no idea why this works but first I had renderTileAt(TileEntity re, double x, double z, double y, float f, int q)

L2884[17:46:53] <fry> they're named in the latest mappings :P

L2885[17:47:21] <Pennyw95> I switched the Z and the Y so that I have renderTileAt(TileEntity te, double x, double y, double z, float f, int q) and it works..

L2886[17:47:49] <fry> lol

L2887[17:47:53] <fry> hah

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L2889[17:48:09] <gigaherz> Pennyw95: a better question is why was it z first, before

L2890[17:48:10] <gigaherz> XD

L2891[17:48:27] <calclavia> fry: http://puu.sh/lVNsz/27e33e14bb.jpg

L2892[17:48:35] <fry> \o/

L2893[17:48:39] <Pennyw95> well that's an interesting question ahaha

L2894[17:48:49] <fry> calclavia: now you need to set lightmap texture coords manually

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L2896[17:51:32] <Soni> what's a NEI alternative for 1.8?

L2897[17:51:44] <fry> calclavia: int l = entity.getBrightnessForRender(partialTicks); OpenGlHelper.setLightmapTextureCoords(OpenGlHelper.lightmapTexUnit, (float)(l % 0x10000) / 1f, (float)(l / 0x10000) / 1f)

L2898[17:51:51] <fry> or smth like that :P

L2899[17:52:10] <fry> Soni: JEI

L2900[17:52:26] <Soni> fry, doesn't take regex

L2901[17:52:30] <mezz> https://github.com/mezz/JustEnoughItems/issues/63#issuecomment-164597295

L2902[17:52:33] <Pennyw95> are you guys modding on 1.8.8 already?

L2903[17:52:39] <mezz> soni's trolling just leave him be

L2904[17:52:45] <killjoy> There's always TMI

L2905[17:52:49] <Soni> mezz, it does make sense tho!

L2906[17:52:55] <killjoy> assuming you don't want a modpack

L2907[17:53:30] <Soni> [abc][def][...] and you search that and if both the start-of-match and end-of-match are within the boundaries of an item name then you use it

L2908[17:53:35] <fry> mezz: wildcards then maybe? :P or not worth it? :P

L2909[17:53:55] <fry> Pennyw95: yup, 1.8.8 is where it's at :P

L2910[17:54:10] <calclavia> fry: Now I got a bunch of purple chests that are trying to eat me...

L2911[17:54:15] <mezz> it already does wildcard search by default, search "rench @ildcraf" works for wrench from buildcraft

L2912[17:54:16] <calclavia> heh. It's not loading the blockstate texture file

L2913[17:54:19] <fry> \o/

L2914[17:54:30] <fry> yup, IModel way doesn't do blockstate

L2915[17:54:31] <gigaherz> Pennyw95: trying to have t he mods ready when forge 1.8.8 comes out of beta! ;P

L2916[17:54:39] <Soni> mezz, I want regex tho

L2917[17:54:40] <calclavia> fry: So I have to manually bind the texture i guess

L2918[17:54:48] <MattDahEpic> Pennyw95, yes my stuff is all on 1.8.8 already

L2919[17:54:56] <Soni> mezz, or clex if you're fancy... altho clex is more for binary files and stuff

L2920[17:54:59] <mezz> Soni: I'm sorry but I don't care that you want regex, I wrote why I will not add it

L2921[17:55:01] <Pennyw95> well I actually feel modern for being on 1.8

L2922[17:55:07] <Soni> mezz, hmm ok

L2923[17:55:16] <Soni> mezz, feature request: add a fucking search API

L2924[17:55:16] <fry> calclavia: https://github.com/RainWarrior/MinecraftForge/blob/model-animation/src/test/java/net/minecraftforge/debug/ModelAnimationDebug.java#L355

L2925[17:55:17] <mezz> it is much slower than the current approach

L2926[17:55:18] <MattDahEpic> Pennyw95, moderner than most

L2927[17:55:19] <Pennyw95> is it a harsh change?

L2928[17:55:41] <mezz> no search API for the same reason, I don't want addons to make the mod super slow

L2929[17:55:42] <Soni> mezz, also multithread it

L2930[17:55:43] <fry> if you want the texture to actually load - load it in TextuteStitchEvent.pre

L2931[17:55:51] <Soni> mezz, it'd be toggleable

L2932[17:55:52] <calclavia> Hmm ok

L2933[17:55:56] <mezz> multithread would add to the latency currently

L2934[17:55:58] <Soni> there'd be a button to switch between the options

L2935[17:56:05] <calclavia> I'm rusty on my rendering. Haven't looked at MC code for awhile haha

L2936[17:56:20] <Soni> mezz, build an ArrayList of ItemStack and... meh I give up :/

L2937[17:56:27] <mezz> I have a CS degree and I am very interested in performance, please leave me alone

L2938[17:56:38] <fry> :P

L2939[17:56:40] <Pennyw95> Can I still use GL11.glTranslatef in 1.8 instead of GLStateManager.translate?

L2940[17:56:55] <killjoy> Yes I think so

L2941[17:57:02] <fry> yes, but it won't work well together with everything else

L2942[17:57:14] <fry> generally, you should only be using GLStateManager

L2943[17:57:19] <killjoy> Some methods just wrap gl11

L2944[17:57:25] <Soni> mezz, 1. build ArrayList of ItemStack 2. split between multiple threads 3. use a threadpool 4. give work to the threads 5. fetch results, concatenate lists

L2945[17:57:26] <fry> yes, but not all :P

L2946[17:57:27] <diesieben07> yeah i question the point of those

L2947[17:57:42] <Soni> mezz, also can you search lore and getInformation and stuff?

L2948[17:57:42] <killjoy> but they also save the state so they don't have to do any unnecessary things

L2949[17:57:48] <Pennyw95> okay I'll try to avoid it

L2950[17:57:49] <diesieben07> Soni, i think people with a CS degreee understand divide and conquer

L2951[17:58:05] <mezz> soni I have an arraylist of itemstack and I search through it in 0 ms with no threads, no delay, cache it, using recursion to look up previous parts of the search that are cached

L2952[17:58:06] <Soni> diesieben07, I just want regex!

L2953[17:58:21] <Soni> or multiple search algorithms with a button to change between them!

L2954[17:58:28] <mezz> neither is needed

L2955[17:58:35] <mezz> use the mod and see

L2956[17:58:35] <diesieben07> Soni, just because YOU are the single person who wants something ...

L2957[17:58:43] <diesieben07> doesn't mean everybody jumps and adds it

L2958[17:58:45] <Soni> then I want a NEI clone for 1.8!

L2959[17:58:53] <diesieben07> i want i want i want!

L2960[17:58:54] <mezz> NEI exists for 1.8

L2961[17:58:59] <MattDahEpic> ^

L2962[17:59:03] <diesieben07> now you just need to stomp your feet

L2963[17:59:05] <Soni> I heard it doesn't work

L2964[17:59:10] <mezz> it's buggy because it has so many shitty features that it doesn't need :P

L2965[17:59:20] <Soni> well remove them but keep the regex!

L2966[17:59:20] <diesieben07> typical chickenbones :D

L2967[17:59:42] <mezz> I am being strict about limiting the features so that JEI does not have the same fate as JEI

L2968[17:59:48] <mezz> NEI* lol

L2969[18:00:04] <mezz> everything I add is another thing to break

L2970[18:00:13] <mezz> and it's very important to have a stable recipes mod

L2971[18:00:14] <Soni> adding regex wouldn't make it likely to break >.<

L2972[18:00:21] <mezz> it would be likely to make it slow

L2973[18:00:26] <killjoy> So what's going on with NEI?

L2974[18:00:26] <Soni> hmm wait

L2975[18:00:38] <Soni> mezz, well if it's all about the recipes then why not split it?

L2976[18:00:38] <killjoy> did chickenbones finally kick it?

L2977[18:00:40] <mezz> it's not working for 1.8+ really well

L2978[18:00:47] <Soni> itemlist + search and recipe helper?

L2979[18:00:49] <mezz> and it is not update much at all lately

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L2981[18:01:02] <Soni> or just itemlist + recipe helper, with an API on the itemlist for searchers

L2982[18:01:17] <Soni> (and a button to cycle between them)

L2983[18:01:33] <mezz> Soni: item list and recipes are tightly coupled

L2984[18:01:35] <Soni> that way you can split JEI into 3

L2985[18:01:40] <Soni> mezz, ew

L2986[18:01:42] <mezz> JEI is already very small

L2987[18:01:46] <fry> mezz: knuth-morris-pratt? rings a bell? :P

L2988[18:01:51] * fry is curious

L2989[18:01:59] <mezz> done here, not replying any more soni

L2990[18:01:59] <Soni> mezz, split it into 3 so I can give it regex

L2991[18:02:37] <diesieben07> Soni, just a tip: talking in the "do this" form is very likely to NOT get you what you want.

L2992[18:03:02] <Soni> diesieben07, I don't care, NEI had it, if you're gonna write a NEI replacement that does itemlist + recipes + search, at least do it like NEI

L2993[18:03:19] <Soni> it'd also be nice to have the search bar on the bottom

L2994[18:03:33] <Girafi> JEI is not a replacement, it's a alternative.

L2995[18:03:36] <diesieben07> you can't tell people how they are supposed to make their mods

L2996[18:03:37] <calclavia> fry: So I have to call Stitch event in order to use model = ((IRetexturableModel) model).retexture(ImmutableMap.of("#chest", "entity/chest/normal"));?

L2997[18:03:41] <diesieben07> who the fuck do you think you are

L2998[18:03:51] <diesieben07> you can make suggestions but don't just say "you need to do this"

L2999[18:04:00] <Girafi> ^

L3000[18:04:22] <fry> calclavia: yes, because "entity/chest/normal" isn't in the main sheet by default, and model system is tailored to working with sheets

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L3002[18:04:37] <fry> and don't call the event, receive it :P

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L3004[18:04:43] <diesieben07> anyways, also done with this now.

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L3006[18:05:10] <tterrag> Zaggy1024: hm?

L3007[18:07:20] <Zaggy1024> oh

L3008[18:07:34] <Zaggy1024> i was just wondering if you actually have any use for getPlant

L3009[18:08:03] <Zaggy1024> because it literally does nothing useful in Forge

L3010[18:08:28] <diesieben07> oh right. zaggy, i was gonna say, that "isGrowable" looks very shady

L3011[18:08:45] <diesieben07> not the method itself, but the 2nd part of the docs.

L3012[18:08:49] <diesieben07> why is that not a separate method?

L3013[18:09:07] <Zaggy1024> I thought about it

L3014[18:09:10] <diesieben07> like, why do you assume "multiple stages" == "farmland doesn't turn into dirt"

L3015[18:09:17] <Zaggy1024> seems overly complex that way though

L3016[18:09:39] <calclavia> fry: Do you just do event.map.put(...)?

L3017[18:09:52] * fry tries to remember

L3018[18:09:53] <diesieben07> assume i want to make a sunflower that needs farmland and gives you seeds... with one stage of growth

L3019[18:10:11] <Zaggy1024> because if a plant is sustainable by farmland and it has multiple stages, in most cases it should keep the farmland

L3020[18:10:26] <Zaggy1024> any special cases can return true and then use their own random tick to set to dirt if necessary

L3021[18:10:36] <diesieben07> that sounds very ugly.

L3022[18:11:06] <Zaggy1024> how often will growing plants that grow on Crops soil not want to keep the farmland?

L3023[18:11:19] <diesieben07> i am concerned about the other way around.

L3024[18:11:34] <Zaggy1024> if the plant doesn't grow on Crops then it won't stay on Crops

L3025[18:11:36] <Zaggy1024> so...

L3026[18:11:39] <fry> calclavia: event.map.registerSprite(location), I think

L3027[18:11:46] <Zaggy1024> also it checks if it's supposed to grow on the farmland

L3028[18:11:54] <diesieben07> what i mean: plant with one stage of growth but wants to keep farmland

L3029[18:11:59] <diesieben07> there is no way to do that with the current setup

L3030[18:12:00] <Zaggy1024> in other words, whether it's a crop

L3031[18:12:03] <calclavia> fry: and i just pass it chest location, since it's a vanilla texture

L3032[18:12:04] <diesieben07> you violate one part of the other of the docs

L3033[18:12:09] <fry> calclavia: yup

L3034[18:12:23] <Zaggy1024> humm

L3035[18:12:24] <diesieben07> if you return true, you make the dirt disappear.

L3036[18:12:32] <diesieben07> if you return false, you lie about having more than one growth stage

L3037[18:12:42] <Zaggy1024> that's a point I suppose

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L3039[18:13:13] <diesieben07> what i'm saying is you need to refine the docs on that one

L3040[18:13:38] <diesieben07> just remove the part about growth stages and make it only about farmland turning into dirt i would say

L3041[18:13:45] <Zaggy1024> well, I was trying to make it have a use outside Crops plants

L3042[18:13:55] <Zaggy1024> wait...

L3043[18:14:04] <Zaggy1024> why the heck would a one stage plant care whether it was on farmland?

L3044[18:14:25] <diesieben07> who are you to judge? :D

L3045[18:14:30] <diesieben07> that's plant-racism!!

L3046[18:15:03] <Zaggy1024> heh

L3047[18:15:07] <Zaggy1024> I still need an answer :P

L3048[18:15:32] <diesieben07> it just does, why is a one stage plant not allowed to require farmland?

L3049[18:15:38] <Zaggy1024> I suppose it could be changed to whether it grows in any way, rather than whether it has stages

L3050[18:15:46] <tterrag> Zaggy1024: getPlant is useless without world context

L3051[18:15:49] <tterrag> I need a way for IPlantable to set TE data

L3052[18:15:51] <tterrag> and I need a way for IGrowable to have TE context

L3053[18:15:55] <tterrag> that is what broke it for my use case

L3054[18:16:03] <diesieben07> that still has NOTHING to do with farmland

L3055[18:16:20] <diesieben07> i have no idea what make you intertwine these two things...

L3056[18:16:46] <diesieben07> that's like saying "Oh this block is less than a full block, it now cannot be blue anymore"

L3057[18:17:07] <Zaggy1024> because when a plant has a plant type of Crops and grows...chances are it cares whether it's on farmland and whether that farmland is hydrated

L3058[18:17:33] <diesieben07> that's what you decided because that's how vanilla works...

L3059[18:17:40] <Zaggy1024> true

L3060[18:17:48] <Zaggy1024> but I'm only trying to fix a bug in vanilla Forge :P

L3061[18:18:01] <Zaggy1024> still, I see your point, and I thought about that myself

L3062[18:18:12] <Zaggy1024> but I feel like adding *two* methods is a bit much

L3063[18:18:12] <diesieben07> the thing is... this is more than a bug

L3064[18:18:19] <diesieben07> this whole plant system is broken

L3065[18:18:28] <Zaggy1024> and making the farmland thing a special case in IPlantable is worse, because then it has no use outside that

L3066[18:19:05] <calclavia> fry: Thanks. Everything working awesome. :)

L3067[18:19:10] <Pennyw95> uhm...debug mode no longer updates rendering changes on the fly in 1.8?

L3068[18:19:14] <fry> \o/

L3069[18:19:16] <Zaggy1024> some mods will probably care whether a plant is a crop

L3070[18:19:29] <fry> calclavia: try the custom model now :P

L3071[18:19:33] <Zaggy1024> and checking if the plant types set contains Crops won't cut it anymore, not with multiple allowed plant types

L3072[18:19:45] <calclavia> fry: Yeah... that'll need me to understand how to do blender armature...

L3073[18:19:45] <Zaggy1024> because tall grass counts as a Crops

L3074[18:20:02] <fry> calclavia: this might help a bit: http://i.imgur.com/yP69kiO.png (scene tree at the right)

L3075[18:20:30] <Zaggy1024> you can turn off the texture interpolation in Blender :P

L3076[18:20:44] <Zaggy1024> it's labeled something about mipmapping in prefs

L3077[18:21:04] <fry> I know

L3078[18:21:04] <calclavia> fry: I added 2 lines just for fun to make the chests jump... now we have man eating chests mod

L3079[18:21:19] <RANKSHANK> Damn I must be tired. Was totally trying to tumble around that chest image

L3080[18:21:22] <fry> yup, hungry chests :P

L3081[18:21:40] <Zaggy1024> diesieben07, what would you prefer it to have?

L3082[18:21:51] <fry> Zaggy1024: it only works in fully-lit view, not in simple texture view, afaik

L3083[18:22:19] <Zaggy1024> works in both for me

L3084[18:22:24] <Zaggy1024> with GLSL on at least

L3085[18:23:10] <diesieben07> Zaggy1024, Block has a set of ground types for things like "dirt", "farmland", etc. then plants have a set of ground typs they can be on. if the intersection of the sets is not empty the plant can grow

L3086[18:23:36] <diesieben07> right now its... idk, just a mess between who decides, plant or ground

L3087[18:23:57] <Zaggy1024> hm

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L3090[18:25:44] <Falkreon> if I had my druthers, I'd have the plant decide.

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L3092[18:26:05] <Falkreon> there's no reason, aside from moistening, that farmland needs to update at all

L3093[18:26:06] <diesieben07> yes, ultimately the plant decides. but it cannot do that wihtout knowing something about the ground

L3094[18:26:10] <Falkreon> sure

L3095[18:26:13] <Pennyw95> My model disappears on certain angle...do I need to mess with GL functions to fix this? http://imgur.com/a/gU6mP

L3096[18:26:50] <Falkreon> but I guess that's what I'd look to provide: Give sensible accessors for blocks to tell if they're some kind of farmland or enhanced-farmland.

L3097[18:26:59] <Falkreon> (I'm looking at you, XY soil)

L3098[18:27:15] <diesieben07> yes thats what i suggested

L3099[18:27:22] <diesieben07> a Set of strings for ground types

L3100[18:27:26] <diesieben07> similar to tool types

L3101[18:27:29] <Falkreon> erm?

L3102[18:27:48] <fry> Pennyw95: look at tileentity bounds

L3103[18:27:49] <Falkreon> I mean, what I really wish is that there weren't so many hardcoded Material things

L3104[18:27:50] <diesieben07> items have tool types, such as "pickaxe"

L3105[18:28:19] <diesieben07> and an item can say it is both "pickaxe" and "axe" and blocks then say if they can be harvested by a given tool type

L3106[18:28:36] <Pennyw95> fry: in this tileentity class?

L3107[18:28:40] <Falkreon> an item can say it's both a pickaxe and an axe?

L3108[18:28:42] <fry> I think so

L3109[18:28:48] <diesieben07> yes

L3110[18:28:55] <Pennyw95> fry: I just have update() and nbt

L3111[18:29:14] <diesieben07> Item.getToolClasses returns a Set<String>

L3112[18:29:19] <Falkreon> oh.

L3113[18:29:24] <diesieben07> this is a similar thing

L3114[18:29:25] <Falkreon> so I could, say, return

L3115[18:29:28] <diesieben07> the ground can define what it is

L3116[18:29:31] <fry> Pennyw95: getRenderBoundingBox

L3117[18:30:19] <Falkreon> [ "pickaxe", "shovel", "drill", "tentacles" ]

L3118[18:30:50] <Pennyw95> do I have to enlarge them? Frustum issue?

L3119[18:30:50] <diesieben07> yup

L3120[18:30:53] <Falkreon> tentacles activate zygon technology, obviously.

L3121[18:30:55] <Zaggy1024> it is actually already doing an intersection of sorts

L3122[18:31:03] <diesieben07> and if a Block says it can be harvested by "tentacles" then it will succeed

L3123[18:31:10] <Zaggy1024> checking whether the plant types set contains the block's applicable soil types

L3124[18:31:11] <fry> Pennyw95: yup

L3125[18:31:14] <Falkreon> I really like that

L3126[18:31:25] <Falkreon> as for checking the plant type set

L3127[18:31:29] <Pennyw95> :fry perfect, thanks :D

L3128[18:31:39] <Falkreon> I feel like that's a no

L3129[18:31:55] <Falkreon> the plant, when it goes to update, should check the ground types

L3130[18:32:03] <diesieben07> Zaggy1024, yep. bascially boolean canStay = !Sets.intersection(ground.getSoilTypes(), plant.getValidSoils()).isEmpty()

L3131[18:32:18] <Falkreon> and decide, on its own terms, whether to accept them.

L3132[18:32:22] <diesieben07> (missing parameters of course)

L3133[18:32:24] <Zaggy1024> no, I mean in my code it already does

L3134[18:32:34] <Falkreon> ah.

L3135[18:33:03] <Zaggy1024> because it checks if the soil block is Beach, and then whether the plant types set contains Beach

L3136[18:33:14] <Zaggy1024> and whatever else is applicable

L3137[18:33:26] <diesieben07> yes but a soil block should be able to have multiple types

L3138[18:33:27] <diesieben07> maybe

L3139[18:33:36] <Falkreon> on the other hand, if we want to be purely hands-off on MC code

L3140[18:33:46] <Falkreon> we could have a soil type registry

L3141[18:34:02] <diesieben07> meh

L3142[18:34:13] <diesieben07> not sure what we need a registry for

L3143[18:34:15] <Zaggy1024> they *do* have multiple types

L3144[18:34:22] <Zaggy1024> they just don't *return* those types

L3145[18:34:31] <Zaggy1024> it may be nice to have something return those types, though, I'm not sure.

L3146[18:34:39] <diesieben07> huh

L3147[18:34:41] <diesieben07> where do they?

L3148[18:34:48] <Zaggy1024> Beach and Plains, for example

L3149[18:34:53] <Falkreon> ?

L3150[18:34:54] <Zaggy1024> Grass is Beach if next to water, and always Plains

L3151[18:35:07] <Falkreon> odd.

L3152[18:35:18] <diesieben07> yes but there is no ... actual definition of those types

L3153[18:35:23] <diesieben07> they are just hardcoded in canSustainPlant

L3154[18:35:34] <diesieben07> which is an awful method by the way, it should be in the plant, not the ground

L3155[18:35:44] <Falkreon> yep.

L3156[18:35:44] <diesieben07> as Falkreon said, the plant should decide whether it stays or not

L3157[18:36:28] <Zaggy1024> yeah...

L3158[18:36:59] <Zaggy1024> well the plant actually does decide if it can stay

L3159[18:37:06] <Zaggy1024> problem is it doesn't have an interface method for that

L3160[18:37:24] <Falkreon> why would it

L3161[18:37:58] <Zaggy1024> why would it what?

L3162[18:38:02] <Zaggy1024> have an interface method?

L3163[18:38:08] <Zaggy1024> you're the ones asking for one :P

L3164[18:38:09] <Falkreon> it's a block, it gets occasional updates, and during these updates it decides whether it stays, whether+how much it grows

L3165[18:38:22] <Zaggy1024> yes...

L3166[18:38:27] <Falkreon> what it needs is interface methods to determine what it's on.

L3167[18:38:41] <Falkreon> right now the best it can do is some instanceof checks

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L3169[18:38:46] <Zaggy1024> what it's on?

L3170[18:38:50] <Zaggy1024> you mean getPlantTypes?

L3171[18:38:55] <Falkreon> ?

L3172[18:38:59] <Zaggy1024> getPlantTypes returns what it can grow on

L3173[18:39:04] <Falkreon> no

L3174[18:39:12] <Zaggy1024> you're not being very clear

L3175[18:39:24] <Falkreon> the plant needs to make informed decisions about the ground it's on.

L3176[18:39:40] <Falkreon> right now, seems like I could say if it == Blocks.grass

L3177[18:39:51] <Falkreon> which I don't like, because it doesn't leave much room for mods

L3178[18:40:19] <Zaggy1024> that's not what I'm talking about

L3179[18:40:30] <Falkreon> what are you talking about then?

L3180[18:40:31] <Zaggy1024> getPlantTypes returns a Set<EnumPlantType>, look at EnumPlantType

L3181[18:40:43] <Falkreon> feels backwards

L3182[18:40:50] <Falkreon> getPlantTypes on what

L3183[18:40:53] <Zaggy1024> by returning that enum, you get to choose between different classifications of soil

L3184[18:40:53] <Falkreon> the plant?

L3185[18:40:55] <Zaggy1024> yes

L3186[18:41:03] <tterrag> what about mods that add their own plant types?

L3187[18:41:03] <Falkreon> yeah, that's definitely backwards.

L3188[18:41:04] <Zaggy1024> it should perhaps be called SoilTypes though

L3189[18:41:16] <Falkreon> yeah. SoilTypes would be much better.

L3190[18:41:18] <tterrag> enums aren't great for that kind of thing

L3191[18:41:22] <Zaggy1024> tterrag, you just reference your EnumPlantTypes that you made

L3192[18:41:33] <Zaggy1024> there's a helper method to add plant types

L3193[18:41:36] <tterrag> err...requiring enum hacks isn't great

L3194[18:41:40] <tterrag> if you can help it...

L3195[18:41:53] <Zaggy1024> well, I'd say it's better than using strings

L3196[18:42:02] <tterrag> didn't say anything about strings :P

L3197[18:42:08] <Zaggy1024> what else would you sue?

L3198[18:42:09] <Zaggy1024> *use

L3199[18:42:11] <Falkreon> strings, registered objects, whatever

L3200[18:42:32] <Zaggy1024> something like the Block and Item registries?

L3201[18:42:50] <tterrag> think with your OOP brain :P

L3202[18:42:51] <Falkreon> I do really like registries X)

L3203[18:43:00] <Zaggy1024> where you instantiate a subclass of a common type and then add it to a registry?

L3204[18:43:01] <tterrag> SoilType, then have some static instances for the default

L3205[18:43:06] <Zaggy1024> yeh...

L3206[18:43:33] <Zaggy1024> but that doesn't really help with anything

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L3208[18:43:41] <Zaggy1024> enum hacks are beside the point of my changes

L3209[18:43:44] <Falkreon> what do you mean

L3210[18:44:10] <Zaggy1024> well, what would changing EnumPlantType to a class and registry accomplish?

L3211[18:44:25] <Falkreon> it would allow you to *cleanly* add new soil types

L3212[18:44:30] <gigaherz> hmmm I'll need totell shade when he's on

L3213[18:44:31] <Zaggy1024> yes, I know that

L3214[18:44:37] <gigaherz> I just exported a block model using his OBJ loader

L3215[18:44:47] <gigaherz> and I had ot put it aty=-1 for itto appear in the right place XD

L3216[18:44:48] <Zaggy1024> but I'm not trying to make that part of Forge's code better, I'm trying to make the interface to modders better

L3217[18:44:55] <Falkreon> right

L3218[18:44:55] <gigaherz> eh I mean z=-1

L3219[18:45:11] <Falkreon> so modders making plants can now, in their plants' block update

L3220[18:45:20] <Falkreon> ask for the soil type and decide rather quickly what to do

L3221[18:45:23] <Zaggy1024> EnumPlantType works right now, so until I've made everything else work in a satisfactory manner, that is on the back burner

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L3223[18:45:54] <Zaggy1024> yeah I may make blocks return soil types and make the plants return whether they stay

L3224[18:46:50] <Zaggy1024> it does make more sense that way

L3225[18:46:56] <Zaggy1024> so...here goes lol

L3226[18:47:26] <fry> PaleOff: do you still have the original image of the forge logo? :P

L3227[18:47:40] <Zaggy1024> I think until a later time, I'll just remove getPlant

L3228[18:47:59] <Zaggy1024> at least from IPlantable (which is for blocks)

L3229[18:48:14] <tterrag> fry: get someone to redo the loading animation, seriously

L3230[18:48:15] <Zaggy1024> it *may* be useful for items, I'm not sure

L3231[18:48:17] <tterrag> I hate it :P

L3232[18:48:20] <fry> lol

L3233[18:48:23] <Zaggy1024> yeah it does look silly

L3234[18:48:26] <tterrag> ^

L3235[18:48:27] <fry> why do you hate it? :P

L3236[18:48:29] <tterrag> I am not alone in this

L3237[18:48:31] <tterrag> it makes no sense

L3238[18:48:33] <Zaggy1024> it's...twitchy

L3239[18:48:37] <tterrag> why do the "sparks" go back into the anvil

L3240[18:48:40] <tterrag> it makes no sense

L3241[18:48:40] <fry> lol

L3242[18:48:41] <Falkreon> lol

L3243[18:48:46] <tterrag> they should just fade as they fly away

L3244[18:48:51] <tterrag> yes I realize I'm repeating myself

L3245[18:49:03] <fry> those are valid concerns :P

L3246[18:49:29] <Zaggy1024> it also looks slightly as though the hammer scales while it rotates

L3247[18:49:39] <Zaggy1024> as if it's interpolating vertices rather than the actual rotation

L3248[18:49:52] <Zaggy1024> not sure if that's true though

L3249[18:51:39] <Hea3veN> mpc

L3250[18:52:09] <MattDahEpic> dang i wanna strem skyrim but my internet isnt fast enough to stream at 1080p

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L3252[18:53:45] <Zaggy1024> question

L3253[18:54:08] <Zaggy1024> should I make a new field in Block to store the Set<EnumPlantType>, or return a new set each time to keep the patch smaller?

L3254[18:54:58] <Zaggy1024> well

L3255[18:55:19] <MattDahEpic> does anyone have code that generates sounds.jsoneses

L3256[18:55:30] <Zaggy1024> actually, I guess a field wouldn't really work because grass changes based on whether there's water next to it

L3257[18:56:01] <Zaggy1024> I would *really* love to move this code into the separate block classes, but I'm sure the whole point of canSustainPlant being in Block was so that the patches could be centralized :(

L3258[18:58:31] <Soni> when will we be able to get mp3 in forge? 2018?

L3259[18:58:40] <killjoy> use ogg

L3260[18:58:57] <Soni> killjoy, that doesn't answer the question

L3261[18:59:14] <killjoy> whenever you decide to implement LAME or whatever does the decoding

L3262[18:59:16] <Soni> and I'm only asking about being able to

L3263[18:59:44] <tterrag> using mp3 for game sounds? right

L3264[18:59:49] <tterrag> ogg is the standard. use it

L3265[19:00:16] <MattDahEpic> boots.ugg

L3266[19:00:33] <tterrag> why would forge add an entirely separate codec just because you can't spare a few seconds to convert your sound

L3267[19:01:01] <illyohs> MattDahEpic, that sounds like the most apathetic sounding sound ever

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L3269[19:01:55] <RANKSHANK> MattDahEpic, music straight from the sole

L3270[19:01:56] <Soni> tterrag, 2 words: end users

L3271[19:02:05] <tterrag> the statement is the same

L3272[19:02:06] <Soni> and resource pack authors

L3273[19:02:11] <tterrag> if your end users are that lazy, make your own codec

L3274[19:02:16] <tterrag> but seriously, converting is not hard

L3275[19:02:23] <tterrag> and if they want to add game sounds, they better get used to ogg

L3276[19:02:31] <Soni> tterrag, I'm not complaining

L3277[19:02:45] <MattDahEpic> speaking of game sounds i cant figure out the code to make sounds.jasons

L3278[19:03:02] <tterrag> MattDahEpic: https://github.com/SleepyTrousers/EnderIO/blob/master/resources/assets/enderio/sounds.json

L3279[19:03:03] <tterrag> ?

L3280[19:03:03] <Soni> but like reading about MP3 patents, apparently MP3 will be patent-free in 2018?

L3281[19:03:16] <tterrag> huh, I didn't know anything about that

L3282[19:03:21] <tterrag> LAME is opensource though, right?

L3283[19:03:31] <Soni> yes but patents

L3284[19:03:39] <Soni> patents != licenses

L3285[19:03:47] <MattDahEpic> tterrag, i need to generate the sounds.json because i can have infinite sounds with user named files

L3286[19:03:53] <Soni> or rather, patents != copyrights

L3287[19:03:54] <tterrag> oh, that's even more fun

L3288[19:04:15] <tterrag> MattDahEpic: https://github.com/tterrag1098/CustomThings/blob/master/src/main/java/tterrag/customthings/common/config/ConfigHandler.java#L138-L153

L3289[19:04:50] <Ordinastie> that seems odd

L3290[19:05:07] <MattDahEpic> ?

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L3298[19:16:11] <Ordinastie> I mean, having to go through the JSON

L3299[19:16:25] <tterrag|away> Ordinastie: only way to do it

L3300[19:16:32] <tterrag|away> also, they have to be under the vanilla domain

L3301[19:16:35] <tterrag|away> for records

L3302[19:16:36] <tterrag|away> because dumb

L3303[19:16:38] <Ordinastie> I'd assume there would be other ways to add sounds

L3304[19:16:42] <tterrag|away> nupe

L3305[19:17:16] <Ordinastie> I guess it's mojang for you ><

L3306[19:17:34] <tterrag|away> that's like saying "isn't there another way to add textures?"

L3307[19:17:38] <tterrag|away> they kind of love their resource system

L3308[19:17:45] <MattDahEpic> is there a way to feed my jsonobject as an inputstream to my iresourcepack

L3309[19:17:58] <tterrag|away> MattDahEpic: probably

L3310[19:18:19] <MattDahEpic> probably != yes | no | how

L3311[19:19:06] <tterrag|away> you didn't ask how

L3312[19:19:23] <Soni> there is tho

L3313[19:19:26] <Soni> it's called ASM

L3314[19:19:42] <Soni> but that's for advanced users only

L3315[19:19:44] <MattDahEpic> lex will kill me if i mention asm

L3316[19:20:10] <Soni> I like ASM, it lets me rewrite Minecraft

L3317[19:20:14] <Soni> make it better and stuff

L3318[19:20:27] <Soni> for some definition of better

L3319[19:21:15] <tterrag|away> man, you are asking for it

L3320[19:21:53] <Soni> ... wait did someone just ping /that guy/...

L3321[19:22:09] <MattDahEpic> no you have to summon his full nick

L3322[19:22:30] <Soni> I'm pretty sure he has that on hilight

L3323[19:22:38] <MattDahEpic> his client ignores "lex" because people say it so much

L3324[19:22:47] <Soni> I know I have SoniEx2 on hilight

L3325[19:23:24] <Soni> well, we'll see I guess

L3326[19:24:28] <MattDahEpic> Soni, look at the motd for this room

L3327[19:25:21] <Soni> 'do not say L's full nick unless nessassary' apparently someone can't spell

L3328[19:25:55] <MattDahEpic> ness ass ary

L3329[19:26:05] <gigaherz> he specifically gives himself nicknames that are longer than just "lex" to avoid pings

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L3331[19:26:51] <fry> http://gfycat.com/RequiredNauticalArmadillo

L3332[19:26:54] <Soni> nes sass ary?

L3333[19:27:02] <RANKSHANK> MattDahEpic why are you trying to feed a JSON through an IResource?

L3334[19:27:29] <Soni> fry, >.gif

L3335[19:27:43] <Soni> let me make a PR...

L3336[19:27:47] <gigaherz> fry: i that somethign oyu added, or you actually made forge play that?

L3337[19:27:53] <MattDahEpic> fry spinning dickbutt pls

L3338[19:27:55] <Soni> so anyone knows a good APNG parser in Java?

L3339[19:28:31] <Soni> ... actually how the fuck does it even draw a .gif like that?!

L3340[19:28:35] <MattDahEpic> RANKSHANK, because the sounds.json is fed through the IResourcePack in SoundHandler: for (IResource iresource : resourceManager.getAllResources(new ResourceLocation(s, "sounds.json")))

L3341[19:28:51] <gigaherz> Soni: quick googling returns a couple results

L3342[19:28:55] <illyohs> Soni, fry being a witch helps

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L3344[19:29:01] <gigaherz> https://github.com/aellerton/japng

L3345[19:29:09] * fry turns illyohs into a toad

L3346[19:29:12] <gigaherz> https://www.reto-hoehener.ch/japng/

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L3348[19:29:20] <gigaherz> same name but different thing, I believe

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L3350[19:29:49] <Rockers> Sorry, im on my mobile in bed atm but there is this things that was bothering me with 1.8...

L3351[19:30:18] <Soni> gigaherz, the one on github is apache license, the second one is closed source, so uhh, check your licenses first

L3352[19:30:28] <Soni> gigaherz, if I'm gonna put it in forge I can't use a closed source thing

L3353[19:30:29] <Rockers> How would I create dynamic textures? Like, custom "displays".

L3354[19:30:40] <Rockers> -for blocks

L3355[19:30:46] <Soni> illyohs, tell me D:

L3356[19:31:01] <MattDahEpic> magic render spells

L3357[19:31:21] <illyohs> Soni, ribbit

L3358[19:31:23] <Soni> fry, so how do you draw fucking .gifs?!

L3359[19:32:11] <fry> the source is on the githib

L3360[19:32:23] <gigaherz> Soni: you didn't say anything about licenses!

L3361[19:32:24] <gigaherz> ;P

L3362[19:32:28] <fry> forge has been doing it since the loading screen was added :P

L3363[19:32:44] <Soni> gigaherz, but I did mention "put it in forge" or rather "let me make a PR..."

L3364[19:33:33] <gigaherz> you did, I just didn't link the two things together as being part of the same context

L3365[19:33:33] <gigaherz> XD

L3366[19:34:39] <Soni> fry, so how do I add APNG?

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L3368[19:34:48] <fry> idk

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L3370[19:36:08] <Soni> fry, anyway you do realize gifs look awful right? I mean even using animation jsons would be better than gif

L3371[19:36:13] <Soni> (altho not as good as apng)

L3372[19:36:15] <gigaherz> Soni: what license would do? ;P

L3373[19:36:39] <Soni> gigaherz, anything compatible with LGPL+minecraft exception

L3374[19:36:45] <gigaherz> ah

L3375[19:36:51] <Soni> gigaherz, idk if apache license is compatible, it might be

L3376[19:37:02] <gigaherz> this this may not do either, lib is GPL... https://code.google.com/p/javapng/source/browse/trunk/javapng2/src/apng/com/sixlegs/png/AnimatedPngImage.java?r=300

L3377[19:37:14] <Soni> I also don't remember which LGPL version Forge uses

L3378[19:37:19] <Soni> gigaherz, GPL is a no go

L3379[19:37:31] <gigaherz> yeap

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L3382[19:39:29] <gigaherz> hmmm found a single-file reader in C#

L3383[19:39:59] <Soni> C# is not Java

L3384[19:40:07] <gigaherz> I know

L3385[19:40:11] <gigaherz> and it's useless either way

L3386[19:40:13] <gigaherz> CPOL

L3387[19:40:42] <Soni> no idea what that is

L3388[19:40:51] <gigaherz> Code Project

L3389[19:41:14] <gigaherz> it's not considered an opensource license because it explicitly forbids using the code for certain purposes

L3390[19:41:34] <gigaherz> (such as in illegal activities)

L3391[19:43:07] <AbrarSyed> forge and FG use lgpl v3

L3392[19:43:13] <AbrarSyed> or is v 2.1.. I forget

L3393[19:43:51] <gigaherz> yeah sorry soni, you'd have to write your own

L3394[19:44:01] <gigaherz> the handful of libraries that can load apng are all incompatible ;P

L3395[19:44:14] <gigaherz> unless

L3396[19:44:14] <gigaherz> https://github.com/leonbloy/pngj

L3397[19:44:19] <gigaherz> this is external

L3398[19:44:24] <gigaherz> has a maven repo

L3399[19:44:27] <gigaherz> the sources are apache

L3400[19:44:34] <gigaherz> but it wouldn't need to be included in the repository

L3401[19:44:34] <RANKSHANK> MattDahEpic so you're trying to prevent particular sounds or...?

L3402[19:44:52] <MattDahEpic> i mtrying to get my sounds working RANKSHANK

L3403[19:44:55] <Ordinastie> hum, question : should I code ?

L3404[19:45:07] <MattDahEpic> no play games Ordinastie

L3405[19:45:09] <gigaherz> why is that a question at all? ;P

L3406[19:45:18] <gigaherz> do you have some specific reason you should NOT code?

L3407[19:45:49] <Soni> idk if it's compatible with LGPL tho

L3408[19:45:51] <Ordinastie> motivation

L3409[19:46:07] <Soni> (idk if that matters in this specific case, either)

L3410[19:46:13] <Ordinastie> some weird incentive to totally waste my time on youtube

L3411[19:46:22] <gigaherz> my general rule when it comes to motivation is: don't

L3412[19:46:36] <gigaherz> if I try to do stuff while I'm unmotivated, more often than not, I end up hating what I do

L3413[19:46:53] <gigaherz> it does mean that I have a tendency to drop projects

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L3415[19:48:55] <RANKSHANK> MattDahEpic links to what you have plz

L3416[19:49:10] <Ordinastie> gigaherz, but the issue is that I'm not motivated to do anything ><

L3417[19:49:40] <Soni> gigaherz, uhh that last one seems perfect

L3418[19:49:46] <Ordinastie> I'm don't really feel like to play, I'm not really motivated to watch a serie, or a movie, or code

L3419[19:50:00] <Soni> fry, so uhh how do I go about adding this? https://github.com/leonbloy/pngj

L3420[19:50:10] <Soni> and replacing the forge gif with a forge apng

L3421[19:50:17] <Soni> without the gif artifacts

L3422[19:50:30] <MattDahEpic> RANKSHANK, git is being slow, but the link is https://github.com/MattDahEpic/ExtraRecords

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L3424[19:51:53] <MattDahEpic> its pushed

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L3426[19:54:24] <Ordinastie> meh, I'll make a block, that won't take long :p

L3427[19:54:35] <Ordinastie> will be called The Swapper :p

L3428[19:55:33] <gigaherz> Ordinastie: caffeine and sugar. that helps ;P

L3429[19:56:54] <Ordinastie> I got a coke can next to me

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L3431[19:57:36] <Ordinastie> the weird thing is, I have so much stuff to watch, so many games to play

L3432[19:57:52] <gigaherz> that IS a problem too

L3433[19:58:14] <gigaherz> too many things -> the interest is too diluted

L3434[19:58:27] <fry> heh

L3435[19:58:29] <Ordinastie> too much stuff to code too :/

L3436[19:59:24] <MattDahEpic> i would be putting out more mods if i didnt run into resource problems every fucking time

L3437[19:59:33] <Ordinastie> let's start that block, see how much time it takes

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L3439[20:00:18] <Soni> fry, do you have a high-quality version of that forge.gif?

L3440[20:00:54] <fry> nope, and that's the problem

L3441[20:01:06] <Zaggy1024> why not just make separate parts of the animation?

L3442[20:01:06] <fry> it can look good as a gif

L3443[20:01:21] <fry> it's just that the conversion used wasn't the best

L3444[20:01:38] <Zaggy1024> could be animated in code, with 60+FPS :P

L3445[20:01:42] <fry> Zaggy1024: because that hardcodes the gif, and it should be replaceable by modpacks

L3446[20:01:55] <Zaggy1024> you mean resource packs?

L3447[20:02:02] <fry> no

L3448[20:02:05] <Zaggy1024> mm

L3449[20:02:10] <fry> it's loaded long before resource packs

L3450[20:02:18] <fry> and all the animated texture machinery

L3451[20:02:21] <Zaggy1024> I didn't realize there was a way to replace it outside the main resource pack

L3452[20:02:43] <fry> you can specify the name in splash.properties

L3453[20:02:48] <gigaherz> the flaw with gif is it can't do semi-transparent pixels

L3454[20:02:58] <fry> and select another resource to be loaded from classpath

L3455[20:03:19] <fry> gigaherz: advanced blending isn't very needed here

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L3457[20:03:41] <gigaherz> and apparently the biggest issue with this gif is that it was exported with patterned dithering XD

L3458[20:03:48] <fry> exactly :P

L3459[20:03:50] <Horfius> Can't you encode animations in .jpg?

L3460[20:03:54] <gigaherz> nope

L3461[20:04:01] <gigaherz> you can work around it

L3462[20:04:02] <Zaggy1024> ewwwww jpeg

L3463[20:04:03] <gigaherz> by like

L3464[20:04:19] <gigaherz> having frames one below the other in the same image

L3465[20:04:33] <Horfius> There is another popular image format that supports animations, can't remember it.

L3466[20:04:40] <gigaherz> but unless you make sure that the frames are multiple of 16 (or 8?), you'll get artifacts between frames

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L3468[20:04:55] <Zaggy1024> couldn't a way to animate it be hacked together using the way vanilla loads mcmeta animation files and the animation strips?

L3469[20:05:05] <gigaherz> apng and mpng are the only real alternatives to gif

L3470[20:05:13] <Zaggy1024> simple vertical UV offsets

L3471[20:05:16] <gigaherz> and mpng was sortof discarded for being too "complex"

L3472[20:05:17] <fry> Horfius: nothing that java6 can load out of the box', I think

L3473[20:05:21] <gigaherz> while apng simply has "animation frames"

L3474[20:05:30] <Horfius> :/

L3475[20:05:35] <Soni> use APNG, it's the best

L3476[20:05:43] <fry> Zaggy1024: that requires loading the metadata, and goal was to keep it simple

L3477[20:06:14] <fry> yes, you could do css styling of the progress bars, but come on :P

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L3479[20:06:22] <Zaggy1024> I'm not suggesting CSS

L3480[20:06:31] <Zaggy1024> vanilla has a way to load mcmeta, but not CSS :P

L3481[20:06:37] <fry> I'm escalating :P

L3482[20:06:43] <fry> and again, can't use any MC code

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L3484[20:06:51] <fry> because we load long before MC

L3485[20:06:54] <Zaggy1024> ah right

L3486[20:06:54] <Soni> I'll just make the issue for now

L3487[20:07:03] <Horfius> Could export the mcmeta loader?

L3488[20:07:07] <fry> Soni: https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/pull/2276

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L3490[20:07:46] <Soni> fry, still has weird dithering

L3491[20:07:57] <fry> that's why it's not pulled

L3492[20:08:08] <fry> but there's no need to create 2 issues

L3493[20:08:16] <fry> for basically the same issue :P

L3494[20:08:34] <Soni> uhh I made an issue for APNG support

L3495[20:08:39] <Soni> which's just a bit different

L3496[20:08:53] <gigaherz> actually

L3497[20:09:05] <gigaherz> using a multi-frame png would work there too

L3498[20:09:19] <gigaherz> Windows 7 used a .bmp file for the boot animation

L3499[20:09:25] <gigaherz> XD

L3500[20:09:39] <Horfius> But bmp has gross color compression :(

L3501[20:09:44] <Soni> APNG is cooler

L3502[20:09:45] <Horfius> At least in my experience

L3503[20:10:15] <gigaherz> bmp doesn't have color compression

L3504[20:10:16] <gigaherz> XD

L3505[20:10:18] <fry> bmp? compression?

L3506[20:10:33] <gigaherz> it just has different pixel formats

L3507[20:10:40] <gigaherz> but is raw otherwise

L3508[20:10:46] <gigaherz> but what I meant is

L3509[20:10:53] <gigaherz> if you have a normal png file

L3510[20:10:56] <gigaherz> and you raw like

L3511[20:11:07] <gigaherz> (0,0,256,256) for frame 0

L3512[20:11:12] <gigaherz> (0,256,256,256) for frame 1

L3513[20:11:15] <gigaherz> (0,512,256,256) for frame 2

L3514[20:11:16] <gigaherz> etc

L3515[20:11:19] <gigaherz> draw*

L3516[20:11:26] <Horfius> 512?

L3517[20:11:29] <fry> yes, that's possible

L3518[20:11:35] <gigaherz> you can have the best from both worlds

L3519[20:11:39] <Zaggy1024> I'm wondering, which do you think would be faster/more memory efficient to create a quick set to return from a method, a HashSet or an ImmutableSet with a builder?

L3520[20:11:46] <Soni> but I wanna push for APNG!

L3521[20:11:48] <fry> but how do you specify the playback speed?

L3522[20:11:57] <gigaherz> fry: hardcode? ;P

L3523[20:12:00] <Soni> fry, steganography :P

L3524[20:12:05] <fry> Zaggy1024: doesn't matter :P

L3525[20:12:14] <gigaherz> although I have seen people use the top-left pixel color

L3526[20:12:23] <Zaggy1024> heh, all righty

L3527[20:12:31] <gigaherz> not sure if encoders play well with that, but

L3528[20:12:34] <Soni> for every frame you clear the last bit of every color channel, then set them to indicate the speed you want

L3529[20:12:35] <gigaherz> with transparency=0

L3530[20:12:44] <gigaherz> you could have the pixel color indicate the "delay" between frames

L3531[20:12:45] <gigaherz> XD

L3532[20:12:48] <fry> yes, it can be hacked in

L3533[20:12:56] <Soni> APNG is nicer tho

L3534[20:12:57] <fry> but, again, goal is simplicity :P

L3535[20:12:58] <gigaherz> but it would be annoying to create

L3536[20:13:03] <gigaherz> Soni: but extra dependencies ;p

L3537[20:13:05] <gigaherz> XD

L3538[20:13:08] <gigaherz> so yeah

L3539[20:13:28] <Soni> gigaherz, ASM, Guava, LWJGL... more like insignificant dependencies

L3540[20:13:36] <Soni> yes, it'll be 1% bigger, so what?

L3541[20:14:08] <Soni> (actually you might be able to save on the animation)

L3542[20:14:42] <gigaherz> XD

L3543[20:15:00] <Soni> APNG compression is better than GIF compression

L3544[20:15:11] <gigaherz> in most cases, yes.

L3545[20:15:52] <Soni> I do not think the forge animation is a worst case scenario for APNG compression :P

L3546[20:16:14] <gigaherz> no, probably not

L3547[20:16:22] <gigaherz> well, if you find a proper source for it ;P

L3548[20:16:53] <Soni> https://github.com/MinecraftForge/FML/blob/master/src/main/resources/assets/fml/textures/gui/forge.gif

L3549[20:17:14] <Soni> so uhh, fry ?

L3550[20:17:17] <gigaherz> they took the original

L3551[20:17:20] <gigaherz> and blurred the dithering

L3552[20:17:34] <gigaherz> it still shows in some parts XD

L3553[20:18:01] <Soni> fry put the animation there

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L3555[20:20:49] <fry> hmm?

L3556[20:21:36] <Soni> fry, you uploaded the animation

L3557[20:21:44] <fry> what do you mean?

L3558[20:21:57] <fry> I commited it?

L3559[20:22:16] <fry> yes, I did it, I got it from PaleoCrafter, iirc

L3560[20:22:58] <Soni> well see if you can get the original frames

L3561[20:23:25] <Soni> (who's that btw?)

L3562[20:24:21] <fry> PaleOff, he's here now :P

L3563[20:27:33] <Soni> >off >here now

L3564[20:28:32] <fry> I mean he's connected :P

L3565[20:28:37] <RANKSHANK> MattDahEpic made a PR to your git

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L3567[20:32:09] <Ordinastie> damn, I really need a texturer :(

L3568[20:32:15] <MattDahEpic> me too

L3569[20:32:35] <MattDahEpic> RANKSHANK, its not showing up

L3570[20:32:46] <gigaherz> Ordinastie: what kind of texture?

L3571[20:32:56] <gigaherz> I'm not really an artist, but I'm bored enough ;p

L3572[20:33:00] <Ordinastie> simple block texture

L3573[20:33:13] <gigaherz> for?

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L3575[20:34:13] <Ordinastie> see the double arrow refresh icon ?

L3576[20:34:36] <gigaherz> in idea?

L3577[20:35:31] <Ordinastie> google image refresh

L3578[20:35:46] <gigaherz> yeah I knwo the icon you mean

L3579[20:36:05] <RANKSHANK> MattDahEpic whoops network timeout, check again

L3580[20:37:51] <gigaherz> wait you said earlier you were making a block called "The Swapper"

L3581[20:37:56] <gigaherz> I suppose you want an icon for it?

L3582[20:38:09] <Ordinastie> yeah

L3583[20:38:09] <gigaherz> texture*

L3584[20:38:29] <MattDahEpic> i need a voidy/thaumy looking orb and a pile of mob guts texture if you ahve time gigaherz

L3585[20:38:48] <gigaherz> MattDahEpic: that may be outside my abilities ,p

L3586[20:38:49] <gigaherz> ;P*

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L3588[20:39:59] <Ordinastie> I'll need to tweak the color but : http://puu.sh/lVXbq.jpg

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L3592[20:42:59] <Ordinastie> now, lets see if code works

L3593[20:43:31] <unascribed> wait, swapper?

L3594[20:43:49] <Ordinastie> first try is a fail ><

L3595[20:44:15] <unascribed> what does it do :o

L3596[20:44:19] <unascribed> well

L3597[20:44:22] <unascribed> what is it supposed to do

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L3599[20:45:19] <Ordinastie> wild guess : it swaps blocks ? :]

L3600[20:45:36] <Ordinastie> 2nd try works, despite the crash report crashing itself, kinda

L3601[20:45:42] <Ordinastie> [03:44:24] [Server thread/FATAL] [FML]: Exception caught executing FutureTask: java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/minecraft/crash/CrashReportCategory$4

L3602[20:45:42] <Ordinastie> java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/minecraft/crash/CrashReportCategory$4

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L3606[20:52:03] <Ordinastie> lol, so apparently I'm doing somehting wrong, because the JVM reaaaaally struggle to access that part of code :x

L3607[20:53:45] <MattDahEpic> so im doing the coding keyboard, any ideas for keys besides access modifiers and void?

L3608[20:54:18] <Ordinastie> ah, I found it why, it does infinite recursivity ><

L3609[20:56:24] <Ordinastie> hum, ok, I want my block to react to redstone current, so I do my stuff in onNeighborBlockChange

L3610[20:56:25] <gigaherz> Ordinastie: nah my texturing ability isn't present tonight ;P

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L3612[20:56:57] <Ordinastie> the the stuff I do is changing a block next to it, so it triggers it again

L3613[20:57:16] <gigaherz> yeah you don't want to do that ;P

L3614[20:57:38] <Ordinastie> but to prevent it is kinda annoying

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L3618[20:57:58] <gigaherz> schedule an update for next tick?

L3619[20:58:10] <Ordinastie> doesn't solve anything

L3620[20:58:22] <gigaherz> why not?

L3621[20:58:28] <gigaherz> andof course

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L3623[20:58:37] <gigaherz> you should ONLY be doing any notification if the state changed

L3624[20:58:59] <gigaherz> such as going from unpowered to powered

L3625[20:59:29] <Ordinastie> yeah, guess what, that's what I forgot -_-

L3626[20:59:29] <gigaherz> OR alternatively, explicitly disallow reentrancy

L3627[20:59:38] <Ordinastie> I don't set the property

L3628[20:59:47] <gigaherz> boolean isSwapping;

L3629[20:59:58] <gigaherz> isSwapping=true; swap isSwapping=false;

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L3633[21:07:59] <Ordinastie> rah fuck

L3634[21:08:07] <Ordinastie> the shouldRefresh always screw me up :x

L3635[21:08:23] <Zaggy1024> I know

L3636[21:08:36] <Zaggy1024> the default for mod TEs is so strange

L3637[21:09:21] <gigaherz> yeah

L3638[21:09:35] <gigaherz> I have been wondering

L3639[21:09:57] <gigaherz> why does forge assume that changing the blockstate for a mod block means it's a whole different block?

L3640[21:10:11] <fry> multiblocks, probably

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L3642[21:10:30] <fry> back in the olden days of conserving block ids

L3643[21:10:34] <Ordinastie> that's stupid :)

L3644[21:10:35] <unascribed> it's the safest assumption

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L3646[21:10:43] <gigaherz> unascribed: not really

L3647[21:10:47] <unascribed> if you want smarter behavior, you need to do it yourself :P

L3648[21:10:52] <gigaherz> almost every mod needs to override and remove the checkl

L3649[21:10:55] <gigaherz> -l

L3650[21:11:11] <gigaherz> woudl be safer to assume you want to keep the TE, and explicitly discard it ;P

L3651[21:11:30] <gigaherz> but yeah

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L3654[21:11:52] <gigaherz> I suppose back in the days when multiblocks were more common due to much more limited number of IDs

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L3656[21:12:22] <Ordinastie> yeah, swapper : http://puu.sh/lVYZQ.mp4

L3657[21:12:51] <unascribed> :o

L3658[21:13:01] <Ordinastie> yeah, not sure if it's really worth it ><

L3659[21:13:17] <gigaherz> I have no idea what it does

L3660[21:13:17] <gigaherz> XD

L3661[21:13:20] <unascribed> seems like a much more compact and easier to use/build version of a piston switcher

L3662[21:13:42] <unascribed> incl. for larger areas

L3663[21:13:57] <Ordinastie> I don't know what piston switcher is

L3664[21:14:19] <unascribed> a somewhat complicated thing that lets you swap a single block out a floor

L3665[21:14:23] <unascribed> or a wall/ceiling

L3666[21:14:29] <Ordinastie> but the is to have a 3x3x3 block in top/front of the swapper to switch between two blocks

L3667[21:14:29] <unascribed> needs 3 pistons, all sticky

L3668[21:14:44] <unascribed> it's useful for stuff like lighting that only comes out at night

L3669[21:15:00] <gigaherz> Ordinastie: nevr seen things like "hidden crafting tables" or "hidden lights"?

L3670[21:15:03] <unascribed> or it was, until they added lamps...

L3671[21:15:14] <Ordinastie> gigaherz, nope

L3672[21:15:22] <gigaherz> it's a small redstone circuit (vanilla)

L3673[21:15:40] <gigaherz> that pulls A, pushes B in the place A was, and pushes B back out

L3674[21:16:01] <gigaherz> (or if B was out, pulls B, pushes A in the place B was, and pushes A back out)

L3675[21:19:34] <Ordinastie> I'm not even really motivated to finish that ><

L3676[21:22:33] <fry> found it! https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/commit/599591e88379a6c651f206346121e1ef8604244c :P

L3677[21:23:28] <Ordinastie> defaut to true...

L3678[21:23:48] <fry> true was the original behaviour

L3679[21:24:18] <Zaggy1024> brain asplodey

L3680[21:24:19] <fry> before the hook was added :P

L3681[21:24:49] <Zaggy1024> I think I've been programming for too long, I've gotten lost

L3682[21:24:59] <fry> lol

L3683[21:25:00] <Ordinastie> fry, only if blocks were diff I think

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L3685[21:25:36] <Zaggy1024> ugh

L3686[21:25:50] <Zaggy1024> I think I need to add IBlockState parameters to all the IPlantable methods

L3687[21:26:15] <Zaggy1024> if I'm going to make the plant control whether it stays and have an IPlantable.canPlantStay function

L3688[21:26:23] <Zaggy1024> otherwise generation doesn't work

L3689[21:27:00] <Zaggy1024> or...it would in vanilla plants' cases, but not if there are variants that have different plant types than others

L3690[21:27:59] <Ordinastie> I'll start watching Sleepy Hollow, see if it's good

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L3692[21:34:06] <Soni> good night o/

L3693[21:34:40] <gigaherz> I enjoyed the first season of sleepy hollow, but I just lost interest in S2

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L3696[21:38:23] <MattDahEpic> hmmm it seems that nothing is even calling my IResorucePack.getInputStream

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L3698[21:45:54] <Zaggy1024> wow, patching this world gen stuff is really a pain

L3699[21:46:17] <Zaggy1024> all the deobf names are inconsistent, for one thing

L3700[21:48:23] <Falkreon> psst

L3701[21:48:35] <Falkreon> Ordinastie, we need triple-doors

L3702[21:48:37] <Falkreon> :D

L3703[21:49:13] <Falkreon> that is all

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L3705[21:52:26] <Ordinastie> what would that even be ?

L3706[21:52:29] <Zaggy1024> what would that even be like 0.o

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L3708[21:53:22] <Zaggy1024> ouch, not a good sign when all the plants pop out of the ground when I load the world D:

L3709[21:54:01] <unascribed> well, you have double fencegates

L3710[21:54:04] <unascribed> so I guess like that?

L3711[21:54:16] <unascribed> I added a triple-door mod to the modpack already, so I don't know why he's bugging you...

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L3714[21:55:46] <Zaggy1024> there we go

L3715[21:55:49] <Zaggy1024> now the plants stay properly

L3716[21:56:19] <Zaggy1024> now to test it with the world gen changes I made

L3717[21:56:20] <Zaggy1024> D:

L3718[21:56:41] <killjoy> Is there a vanilla command to change worlds?

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L3720[21:57:07] <Ordinastie> unascribed, I still don't understand what it would be

L3721[21:57:14] <Zaggy1024> huh, I was kind of expecting it to explode

L3722[21:57:18] <Zaggy1024> everything appears to work

L3723[21:57:18] <Ordinastie> like 3 wide doors ?

L3724[21:59:02] <unascribed> http://www.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/232398-big-doors#t1:description

L3725[21:59:27] <unascribed> like that probably

L3726[21:59:40] <unascribed> and it's an addon for Malisis anyway

L3727[22:01:33] <Zaggy1024> would be nice to rename IPlantable to IPlant, but it seems unnecessary, and only inconvenient for people using the interface

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L3730[22:02:09] <unascribed> I still want to make an alternate mappings project that gives better names to all the "legacy" mappings

L3731[22:02:19] <unascribed> i.e. they only keep that name because they were already named that

L3732[22:02:41] <unascribed> but there's a lot of things I "still want to make" :P

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L3735[22:05:54] <Elexorien> Sorry to bother you all, but I'm looking for help with searching on the minecraftforge forums. I've tried "dependencies not working", "required-after not working" and tried replacing "not working" with "ignored" and am not finding what I need. Could someone suggest alternate search keywords for a failure of mod dependency loading?

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L3738[22:07:27] <gigaherz> Elexorien: instead of that, what exactly is your issue?

L3739[22:08:00] <gigaherz> we are not bothered by people asking questions or trying to solve issues ;P

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L3741[22:08:59] <Zaggy1024> huh, the placement sounds aren't playing in my client

L3742[22:09:03] <Elexorien> I require my mod to be loaded after BuildCraft, but when I run the client my mod is loaded before and crashes. Works fine in a real minecraft instance, but not in Idea

L3743[22:09:43] <unascribed> iirc the mod is on the classpath when running from Gradle/IDEA/Eclipse

L3744[22:09:53] <unascribed> so I'm not sure if you could affect the load order at all due to that

L3745[22:09:59] <gigaherz> hmmm

L3746[22:10:07] <gigaherz> the lifecycle events should still run in order

L3747[22:10:13] <gigaherz> you just can'trely on constructors

L3748[22:10:21] <unascribed> what's your dependencies string?

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L3750[22:11:43] <gigaherz> Elexorien: can you paste/pastebin the @Mod annotation (or link us to your source if it's online)

L3751[22:11:49] <Elexorien> dependencies = "required-after:BuildCraft|Core;required-after:BuildCraft|Energy;required-after:thaumcraft;required-after:terrafirmacraft"

L3752[22:11:57] <Zaggy1024> yay, made it so I can remove one line of forge patches

L3753[22:12:01] <Zaggy1024> such accomplish

L3754[22:12:11] <gigaherz> BuildCraft|Core is the modid?

L3755[22:12:35] <Elexorien> yes "BuildCraft Core" is the name, ID has "|"

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L3757[22:13:29] <MattDahEpic> my older mod broke cause of that pipe

L3758[22:13:56] <Zaggy1024> yay, I love it when people use odd characters unnecessarily

L3759[22:13:59] <Zaggy1024> <3

L3760[22:14:04] <gigaherz> one of my mods has

L3761[22:14:06] <gigaherz> @Mod(modid = EnderRiftMod.MODID, version = EnderRiftMod.VERSION, dependencies = "after:Waila;after:NotEnoughItems")

L3762[22:14:12] <gigaherz> and I have never had any issue, even in IDEA

L3763[22:14:23] <Elexorien> I have tried it all ways including all lower case. currently the ID's are copy and pasted straight from the source of the mods

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L3765[22:15:42] <Elexorien> I thought that the dependencies string would work (it originally only had thaumcraft), but it turns out thaumcraft is just "naturally" loaded before my mod and the dep string seems to have no effect.

L3766[22:16:21] <Elexorien> now that I have added BC, it want's to load after my mod and I can't figure out how to change that.

L3767[22:17:04] <Zaggy1024> are you sure that it's not "working" in obf environment because of the name of your mod package?

L3768[22:17:10] <Elexorien> though I found that re-running setupDecompWorkspace and idea changed the order a bit, but not enough to get it to work.

L3769[22:17:31] <Elexorien> I could try changing it to zzzz and see if that works...

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L3771[22:20:09] <Zaggy1024> time to genPatches, check for mistakes in the patches, commit and have everyone tear apart my hard work :)

L3772[22:20:36] <AbrarSyed> https://gradle.org/extending-gradle/

L3773[22:23:55] <Zaggy1024> er okay

L3774[22:24:01] <Zaggy1024> I guess that's cool

L3775[22:24:03] <Zaggy1024> :P

L3776[22:24:33] <Elexorien> well renaming to zzzz got me a nice message saying it could not find "thaumcraft", which when removed from my dep string got me past preinit for the fist time, errors on transition from post to available but that's due to configurations...

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L3778[22:25:33] <Elexorien> load order still appears to place my mod before BC though which is odd unless the mod dump doesn't show the actual load order like I thought it did.

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L3780[22:30:42] <gigaherz> hmm I stepped through the 1.7.10 FML's dependency, and adding an entry for Test|Test got parsed correctly and added to the dependencies AND requirements

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L3783[22:35:43] <Zaggy1024> aw jeez, look at all these patches :|

L3784[22:35:43] <Zaggy1024> http://i.imgur.com/ThWIGLe.png

L3785[22:38:29] <Elexorien> well renamig to zzzz allows me to load properly, no crash... and the error finding thaumcraft looks promising as it is now "apparently" parsing the dep string, while it wasn't before. Achievement Get: Color me confused and tar me stupid.

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L3787[22:39:54] <gigaherz> does it still working after changing it back?

L3788[22:39:54] <gigaherz> XD

L3789[22:40:02] <gigaherz> because I have no ideas either

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L3792[22:40:35] <unascribed> thaumcraft's modid appears to be "Thaumcraft"

L3793[22:41:16] <Elexorien> haven't tried yet. @unascribed I was about to look that up. odd that it has never caught the mistake before.

L3794[22:41:20] <gigaherz> yep

L3795[22:41:22] <gigaherz> "modid": "Thaumcraft",

L3796[22:41:27] <unascribed> https://unascribed.com/i/65366b66.png

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L3798[22:44:17] <Elexorien> thanks :)

L3799[22:44:25] <Elexorien> ok, loading now, let's see if this works

L3800[22:44:38] <gigaherz> I wonder what changed, though

L3801[22:44:45] <gigaherz> are you using just the @Mod

L3802[22:44:57] <gigaherz> or did you useMetadata=true so it loads the info from the mcmod.info?

L3803[22:45:28] <Elexorien> nope still does not work

L3804[22:45:47] <gigaherz> but it detects missing mods if you purposefully add a typo?

L3805[22:45:56] <Elexorien> I am using @mod, but I have also tried using mcmod.info

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L3807[22:46:13] <Elexorien> testing again with lower case thuamcraft right now

L3808[22:46:37] <gigaherz> do you have the idea "fix" in your build.gradle?

L3809[22:46:55] <gigaherz> this is unrelated but...

L3810[22:47:16] <Elexorien> idea { module {inheritOutputDirs = ture }}?

L3811[22:47:20] <gigaherz> yeah

L3812[22:47:20] <Elexorien> true*

L3813[22:48:44] <Elexorien> just to be sure I'm not wasting your time....the mod order after States: 'U' etc.. is the load order correct?

L3814[22:49:49] <gigaherz> no idea

L3815[22:49:58] <gigaherz> I'd have to make it crash on purpose

L3816[22:49:59] <gigaherz> sec

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L3818[22:52:10] <gigaherz> yes

L3819[22:52:17] <gigaherz> I added "after:EnderIO" to my mod

L3820[22:52:26] <gigaherz> and now it shows up below EnderIO in the list

L3821[22:52:31] <gigaherz> while it was above it before

L3822[22:53:17] <Elexorien> sounds like I have to start fresh with a completely new workspace :( which is odd because it pretty much is already...

L3823[22:54:17] <gigaherz> maybe if you clearCache, setupDecompWorkspace, build, and then refresh gradle (the blue refresh icon in IDEA's gradle panel)

L3824[22:54:39] <gigaherz> setting up a new workspace won't really clear the gradle caches

L3825[22:55:12] <unascribed> keep in mind

L3826[22:55:25] <Elexorien> sounds like it's worth a shot. I'll have to wait an hour or two to do that though.

L3827[22:55:31] <unascribed> clearCaches will delete the **ENTIRE** cache

L3828[22:55:37] <unascribed> so every version of forge you've ever decompiled

L3829[22:55:42] <unascribed> will need to be redownloaded and redecompiled

L3830[22:55:46] <gigaherz> ah yeah

L3831[22:56:11] <killjoy> is random.nextInt() == 0 too rare?

L3832[22:56:14] <gigaherz> yes

L3833[22:56:24] <gigaherz> 1 in 2 billion

L3834[22:56:46] <unascribed> 1 in (2^32)-1 to be precise

L3835[22:56:49] <unascribed> er

L3836[22:56:51] <unascribed> ^31

L3837[22:57:00] <killjoy> how about random.nextInt(100) == 0?

L3838[22:57:07] <unascribed> 1 in 100

L3839[22:57:09] <Elexorien> thats 1%

L3840[22:57:16] <killjoy> Too common

L3841[22:57:17] <gigaherz> 1% if the hits will pass

L3842[22:57:21] <gigaherz> which means

L3843[22:57:25] <unascribed> yeah.. depends on what you're doing :P

L3844[22:57:27] <gigaherz> given enough samples

L3845[22:57:29] <killjoy> Yes, I understand probability

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L3847[22:57:45] <killjoy> I'll do .1%

L3848[22:58:16] <killjoy> I'm giving zombies random attributes using random with their uuid hashcode as the seed

L3849[22:59:03] <gigaherz> why use their uuid?

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L3851[22:59:10] <killjoy> Ensures each one is unique

L3852[22:59:25] <killjoy> and the same for each player (client-side)

L3853[22:59:48] <unascribed> one less packet, sounds fair

L3854[22:59:53] <gigaherz> I guess the latter is a valid reason, cos the former isn't really true ;p

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L3856[23:00:18] <unascribed> each one is vaugely unique :P

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L3858[23:00:32] <killjoy> The mappings wouldn't lie to me, would they?

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L3860[23:00:50] <gigaherz> you'd get same or better randomness by using a fixed seed and then just simply getting more numbers out of the same random sequence

L3861[23:01:01] <gigaherz> (I'm fairly sure it's better, not same)

L3862[23:01:02] <unascribed> the UUID is unique, but you're losing 96 bits of uniqueness by using hashCode

L3863[23:01:07] <killjoy> I'm doing this in the renderer

L3864[23:01:17] <unascribed> it'd be down to 80 bits lost if you used a custom 48-bit hashcode

L3865[23:01:24] <killjoy> should I just convert to a long?

L3866[23:01:26] <unascribed> ultimately, this doesn't matter

L3867[23:01:26] <gigaherz> killjoy: I wasn't referring to the uniqueness of the uuid, I meant the uniqueness of the resulting numbes ;p

L3868[23:01:30] <gigaherz> numbers*

L3869[23:01:44] <unascribed> hashCode of a UUID is plenty unique as a random seed for whatever it is you're deciding

L3870[23:03:04] <gigaherz> the seed gets processed by an algorithm, and the resulting value is used in the internal prng state to, in essence,

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L3872[23:03:18] <gigaherz> change the "starting point" of the fixed sequence of numbers generated by that PRNG

L3873[23:03:39] <gigaherz> (which is often a congruential generator in the standard libraries of programming languages)

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L3875[23:05:55] <gigaherz> so re-seeding the prng every time can do anything from improving the randomness of a weak prng, to choosing the same starting point over and over

L3876[23:06:11] <gigaherz> depending on how good/bad the randomness of the seeds was

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L3883[23:21:15] <Elexorien> wow I am such a derp, thank you gigaherz! mcmod.info was overriding everything this whole time. I overlooked useDepInfo: true <facepalm>

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L3886[23:25:55] <gigaherz> XD

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L3888[23:27:12] <sham1> >derpinfo

L3889[23:27:26] <gigaherz> lol I'm watching a FTB Unstable 1.8 vid

L3890[23:27:30] <Elexorien> now I'm finally getting a useful crash :)

L3891[23:27:41] <gigaherz> enchanting plus + projecte = infinite EMC + experience

L3892[23:27:47] <unascribed> >FTB

L3893[23:27:48] <unascribed> >2015

L3894[23:27:57] <gigaherz> unascribed: they ARE making a modpack for 1.8 ;P

L3895[23:28:00] <sham1> What should you use then

L3896[23:28:12] <unascribed> not FTB? :P

L3897[23:28:17] <gigaherz> what else?

L3898[23:28:17] <unascribed> I've moved to using custom modpacks

L3899[23:28:23] <gigaherz> I mean

L3900[23:28:23] <unascribed> because they take so little effort to put together now

L3901[23:28:25] <gigaherz> FTB is now Curse

L3902[23:28:28] <unascribed> no more IDs

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L3904[23:28:35] <gigaherz> they are slowly being absorved into CurseVoice ;P

L3905[23:28:37] <unascribed> just biomes and potions need resolving

L3906[23:28:51] <sham1> We need cursevoice to linux and osx

L3907[23:28:55] <unascribed> ugh, Curse

L3908[23:29:09] <unascribed> why does everyone suddenly like Curse

L3909[23:29:20] <sham1> Because it is good?

L3910[23:29:21] <unascribed> weren't they literally the most evil thing to ever hit Minecraft just last year?

L3911[23:29:36] <sham1> Same can be said about every new thing

L3912[23:29:47] <Elexorien> give me a modpack loader that doesn't have to download the ENTIRE pack just to update 2 mods....

L3913[23:30:05] <unascribed> I still think that Maven is the real solution to the modpack problem :P

L3914[23:30:08] <gigaherz> unascribed: back then, people hadn't realized the developer program lets you echange the points for money

L3915[23:30:08] <gigaherz> ;P

L3916[23:30:10] <McJty> Hi all. I need some help. I'm trying to adapt https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/blob/master/src/test/java/net/minecraftforge/debug/LayerBreakingTest.java for my own use

L3917[23:30:19] <gigaherz> they thought "free downloads = I dont' get paid"

L3918[23:30:25] <McJty> Basically I need a smart model because my block has something to render in the solid and cutout layers

L3919[23:30:38] <asie> unascribed: MultiMC QuickMods! \o/

L3920[23:30:48] <McJty> How can I get access to a normal baked model without using TestBakedModel in that example?

L3921[23:30:49] <asie> An open format for providing mod downloads. it's a shame almost nobody ever adopted it

L3922[23:30:59] <asie> (and that MultiMC didn't give it enough love at all)

L3923[23:31:25] <Elexorien> I love MultiMC, but my pack of choice so far only exists on FTB.

L3924[23:31:31] <unascribed> I also don't like MultiMC, but I'm starting to feel like I don't like *anything*

L3925[23:31:34] <unascribed> hm.

L3926[23:31:41] <asie> My pack of choice doesn't even exist yet - it's 1.8.8 and mostly WIP - waiting on Factorization

L3927[23:32:15] <unascribed> idk, I'm probably going to wind up making my own launcher, because I like reinventing the wheel

L3928[23:32:22] <unascribed> or maybe I'll fork asielauncher. It's basically exactly what I want. :P

L3929[23:33:00] <unascribed> I guess I don't hate literally everything then

L3930[23:33:22] <asie> asielauncher is terrible

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L3932[23:34:26] <unascribed> well, I like the *idea*

L3933[23:34:29] <unascribed> how about that

L3934[23:34:48] <unascribed> anything's better than just sending people zips

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L3936[23:36:02] <gigaherz> McJty: there's Minecraft#modelManager, but it's private.

L3937[23:36:18] <unascribed> he left :/

L3938[23:36:22] <gigaherz> shit

L3939[23:36:40] <gigaherz> that's what I get for leaving a line half-written to look up a line in my mod

L3940[23:36:41] <gigaherz> XD

L3941[23:36:49] <asie> unascribed: well now you know why i wrote the launcher

L3942[23:36:53] <asie> there's MCUpdater but it's complicated

L3943[23:36:57] <asie> (but good)

L3944[23:37:14] <gigaherz> oh well I did the work of checking it

L3945[23:37:18] <gigaherz> so I may as well finish writing

L3946[23:38:03] <gigaherz> ... this instance can be accessed from ItemModelMesher#getModelManager or BlockModelShapes#getModelManager

L3947[23:38:16] <unascribed> "A lot of FP’s usage is either mind-numbingly obvious or arcane beyond the scope of this basic document"

L3948[23:38:25] <unascribed> already do not like the sound of this

L3949[23:38:29] <unascribed> plus I heard mention of XML

L3950[23:39:25] <gigaherz> ... which in turn can be accessed from Minecraft.getBlockRenderDispatcher().getBlockModelShapes() or Minecraft.getRenderItem.getItemModelMesher()

L3951[23:39:30] <unascribed> ._.

L3952[23:39:36] <gigaherz> really

L3953[23:39:39] <gigaherz> wtf mojang? XD

L3954[23:39:46] <gigaherz> why not just have a Minecraft.getModelManager()

L3955[23:39:46] <gigaherz> XD

L3956[23:40:11] <gigaherz> option 1: Minecraft.getBlockRenderDispatcher().getBlockModelShapes().getModelManager()

L3957[23:40:18] <Elexorien> I like the "new" JSON Modlist format idea from a year ago

L3958[23:40:21] <gigaherz> option 2: Minecraft.getRenderItem.getItemModelMesher().getModelManager()

L3959[23:40:29] <gigaherz> +()

L3960[23:40:44] <gigaherz> option 2 takes less letters to write ;P

L3961[23:45:58] <Zaggy1024> I wonder how good Lex is at reading diffs for patches by now :D

L3962[23:45:59] <Elexorien> well, thank you again gigaherz. Now to figure out why buckets are being a pain!

L3963[23:47:13] <gigaherz> Zaggy1024: good enough to do the job, but not so good that he "liked" unnecessary diffs ;P

L3964[23:47:17] <gigaherz> likes*

L3965[23:47:30] <Zaggy1024> heh

L3966[23:47:41] <gigaherz> Elexorien: np, yw.

L3967[23:47:48] <Zaggy1024> I hope he's okay with a couple things I did to make this new code a little cleaner

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L3969[23:48:37] <Zaggy1024> specifically adding a BlockPos variable to one part to avoid doing pos.add(j, 0, k) and pos.add(j, -1, k) repeatedly

L3970[23:49:34] <tterrag|away> likely not

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L3972[23:53:41] <mister_person> I want to add doubleclicking to my gui. Is there a way to get the systems doubleclicking speed?

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L3974[23:54:47] <tterrag|away> Integer timerinterval = (Integer) Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit().getDesktopProperty("awt.multiClickInterval");

L3975[23:54:50] <tterrag|away> google is your friend

L3976[23:55:28] <Zaggy1024> even if the add(j, 0, k) is done like 5 times?

L3977[23:56:27] <sham1> doubleclick on a gui

L3978[23:56:29] <sham1> :P

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L3980[23:59:20] <Ordinastie> sham1, what about it ?

L3981[23:59:31] <sham1> Nothing

L3982[23:59:34] <gigaherz> Zaggy1024: each line you replaced is one extra patch to verify next time they update forge

L3983[23:59:35] <gigaherz> ;P

L3984[23:59:45] <Ordinastie> then shush :p

L3985[23:59:57] <sham1> Why

L3986[23:59:57] <gigaherz> and with that, I jump into bed

L3987[23:59:59] <gigaherz> night