OCLogs: 2015-10-12.log

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L2[00:00:27] <Cypher121> ah, ok

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L7[00:14:09] <Zaggy1024> !query MCPBot_Reborn

L8[00:14:14] <Zaggy1024> whoops lol

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L18[00:44:06] <Caitlyn> Umm, so little issue I just found with my TESR rendering text... the text is visible through blocks in front of my block. o_O

L19[00:44:31] <Caitlyn> http://michi.pc-logix.com/Minecraft_1.7.10_2015-10-12_00-43-49.png

L20[00:45:20] <Zaggy1024> do you have depth sorting on while rendering the text?

L21[00:45:38] <Zaggy1024> it's possible that the method you're rendering the text with disables depth testing

L22[00:46:40] <Caitlyn> Ahh yeah that was it, I had that disabled cause it was causing horrid flickering, but I fixed that and never removed the disable

L23[00:46:43] <Caitlyn> thanks

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L25[01:00:56] <iceman11a> Does any one know if the mods Modular Powersuits Addons and ModularForcefieldSystem are even being updated. I can only find evry old versions of these 2 mods.

L26[01:01:28] <iceman11a> and it seems that the Modular Powersuits mod is all so very old too.

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L34[01:32:53] <sham1> Morning

L35[01:33:04] <AEnterprise> good morning

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L38[01:42:18] <Wuppy> mornin

L39[01:45:22] <Caitlyn> With an ItemBlock, do I have to do anything special to properly decrement the stack?

L40[01:45:30] <Caitlyn> cause in survival placing my block doesn't do so.

L41[01:46:23] <Caitlyn> I @Override placeBlockAt, but not onItemUse, which is what looks like is supposed to do the decrement so I thought I was ok.

L42[01:46:50] <tterrag> not that I know of

L43[01:49:47] <Caitlyn> I'm confused then..

L44[01:50:49] <Caitlyn> Placing other blocks works as expected

L45[01:53:24] <Caitlyn> Yeah, seems if I @Override placeBlockAt I have to take care of that myself

L46[01:53:54] <Caitlyn> Or.. it could be that my derp self returned false...

L47[01:54:18] <Caitlyn> Yeaaaah

L48[01:54:21] <Caitlyn> that was it ¬_¬

L49[01:54:52] <Caitlyn> Ok, now to make a recipe that ignores NBT

L50[01:57:41] <AEnterprise> there, made a forge event request

L51[01:57:58] <AEnterprise> now let's hope it can be added to forge

L52[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Pushing snapshot_20151012 mappings to Forge Maven.

L53[02:00:06] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV] Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20151012-1.8.zip (mappings = "snapshot_20151012" in build.gradle).

L54[02:00:17] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live (every 10 min), Snapshot (daily ~3:00 EST), and Stable (committed) MCPBot mapping exports can be found here: http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/

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L73[02:59:39] <MattaBase> Heyo LexManos you about?

L74[02:59:46] <sham1> You pinged

L75[02:59:52] <sham1> Oh god

L76[03:00:00] <sham1> May god have mercy on your soul

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L84[03:35:20] <LexManos> MattaBase, ?

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L86[03:35:52] <MattaBase> Saw you have been playing Ark, do you perhaps have a server?

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L88[03:36:40] <sham1> Meep

L89[03:36:50] <sham1> Anyway

L90[03:37:12] <tterrag> sham1: backseat moderating. That's a paddlin

L91[03:37:23] <sham1> True

L92[03:37:29] <sham1> Should have not said anything

L93[03:38:59] <LexManos> I dont have a server no

L94[03:39:35] <MattaBase> Ah ok, looking for a server where I do not log in and then killed by someone in like 5 mins ...

L95[03:40:14] <sham1> There are a lot of those from what I've seen

L96[03:40:23] <LexManos> servers are to expensive but the only way to go is private server.

L97[03:40:35] <MattaBase> Good to know.

L98[03:40:36] <LexManos> Anyways got my dinos tamed for the night. Time for sleep

L99[03:40:46] <MattaBase> Mk, thanks. Anjoy.

L100[03:40:48] <MattaBase> enjoy*

L101[03:41:02] <sham1> Enjoy your sleep lex

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L117[04:32:20] <sham1> It is very silent her

L118[04:32:23] <sham1> here*

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L124[04:43:45] <hitech95> Hi, still working on my stupid mod... Still trying to fix WAILA...

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L126[04:49:14] <sham1> I would not call it stupid

L127[04:50:04] <MrKickkiller> hitech95 , show it some love. Buy it a dinner, feed it some wine and then jam your business right in there! :>

L128[04:50:38] <MrKickkiller> Oh, woops. Maybe the wrong advice for this problem :>

L129[04:50:43] <hitech95> ah ah ah....

L130[04:52:54] <hitech95> Does someone have an example to make my block rotable using a wrench? I have looked on Ironchest code but without success... :(

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L132[04:55:51] <sham1> 1.8 or 1.7.x?

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L135[04:59:02] <hitech95> 1.7

L136[05:00:02] <hitech95> Now i have to go home. I'll check on logs for the reply

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L139[05:01:14] <sham1> Well, it would be easier with 1.8

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L149[05:37:18] <hitech95> sham1, Ah, it's easier with the 1.8 ... Good ...

L150[05:38:08] <Wuppy> I should get back to work...

L151[05:38:12] <sham1> Nah

L152[05:38:20] <MrKickkiller> nah, stick with us!

L153[05:38:28] <Wuppy> I'll be here while working

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L155[05:38:41] <Cypher121> hitech95: it depends on what defines rotation of the block. Most likely metadata in which case you can call world.setBlockMetadataWithNotify() inside onBlockPlaced based on side argument

L156[05:38:50] <hitech95> ah ah ah

L157[05:38:59] <Cypher121> onBlockActivated of course

L158[05:39:13] <Wuppy> gamejams are hectic

L159[05:39:18] <Wuppy> even if they take a week

L160[05:39:19] <hitech95> ... ok but how handle the "wrench" event?

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L162[05:39:30] <Cypher121> wrench event?

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L164[05:39:54] <hitech95> Yes, i want to make trotable with all wrenches...

L165[05:40:09] <Cypher121> all wrenches...

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L167[05:40:23] <Cypher121> that's going to be fun

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L169[05:41:18] <hitech95> Yea.. I have seen something from RotableBlock but I don't know how it works...

L170[05:41:53] <Cypher121> I don't think there's a way to handle all wrenches at once

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L173[05:42:36] <Cypher121> I'd say just check for BuildCraft IToolWrench, TE's IToolHammer and IC2's... whatever, I don't check that one

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L176[05:44:42] <theresajayne> what is the best way to pre load a chunk? Every time i try its not working until the player is there, and of course if you try to wait it lags the server,

L177[05:46:33] <gigaherz> check what chunkloaders do

L178[05:46:47] <hitech95> TE's ToolHammer is closed source I think... https://github.com/AlgorithmX2/RotatableBlocks/blob/master/src/main/java/rblocks/item/ItemWrench.java#L32 They use rotateBlock... (I hope)

L179[05:47:06] <Cypher121> oh, right

L180[05:47:18] <Cypher121> CoFHCore/CoFHLib IToolHammer

L181[05:47:30] <Cypher121> these are on github

L182[05:49:03] <hitech95> Yes, bet it is a Interface... i want to know how make my block rotable...

L183[05:51:50] <gigaherz> onBlockActivated, check if the item that activated it was anm IToolWrench, or an IToolHammer

L184[05:51:57] <gigaherz> IIRC

L185[05:56:44] <Cypher121> exactly

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L199[06:29:03] <sham1> Welcome to the kingdom of meh

L200[06:32:31] <Mossyblog> O.o

L201[06:36:11] <hitech95> I'm trying to implement the rotation as the "ironchest". Currently I get the new orientation, I update tilentity (Or at least I think) but I can not figure out how to update the texture of the block. (I have to send an event?)

L202[06:36:26] <hitech95> https://github.com/progwml6/ironchest/blob/1.7.10/src/main/java/cpw/mods/ironchest/TileEntityIronChest.java#L503

L203[06:36:40] <hitech95> https://github.com/progwml6/ironchest/blob/1.7.10/src/main/java/cpw/mods/ironchest/BlockIronChest.java#L294

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L205[06:38:52] <sham1> You can set icons depending on how the tile entity has its stuff

L206[06:39:41] <sham1> !gm getIcon 1.7.10

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L208[06:41:39] <hitech95> Yea done: https://github.com/hitech95/Smart-CCraft/blob/master/src/main/java/it/kytech/smartccraft/block/BlockChargeStation.java#L116

L209[06:41:46] <hitech95> But non working...

L210[06:41:53] <hitech95> *not

L211[06:44:10] <sham1> Why does it nor sork

L212[06:44:14] <sham1> Work*

L213[06:44:42] <sham1> Also, make sure to check for null

L214[06:45:16] <sham1> You could just return the IIcons there directly

L215[06:45:30] <hitech95> If I go out and log back to world, the block changes the texture correctly. It seems that "getIcon" is not called after updating the Tile.

L216[06:46:34] <sham1> Your TE does not get synced

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L218[06:48:51] <hitech95> ... strange... i'm using worldObj.addBlockEvent(this.xCoord, this.yCoord, this.zCoord, this.getBlockType(), 2, getOrientation().ordinal()); and it is receved on the preceiveClientEvent(int eventId, int eventData)

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L220[06:49:59] <sham1> As far as syncing goes

L221[06:50:04] <sham1> That does not work for it

L222[06:51:04] <hitech95> ... ok so I must send a net packet?

L223[06:51:27] <sham1> Yes

L224[06:51:42] <sham1> That is probably the easiest way

L225[06:51:52] <hitech95> I do not understand why it should not work ...

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L227[06:52:36] <sham1> Because TEs do not automatically sync their own stuff by default

L228[06:52:50] <sham1> You need to provide that functionality by yourself most of the time

L229[06:53:29] <hitech95> YEa, i'm using events like for my other var "status"

L230[06:54:01] <hitech95> satus is working...

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L232[06:54:52] <sham1> Well using netpacket is usually just better to use for this stuff

L233[06:54:59] <hitech95> Solved: worldObj.notifyBlockChange after the event

L234[06:55:03] <hitech95> :)

L235[06:56:37] <sham1> or you could have world.markBlockForUpdate

L236[06:56:51] <sham1> that probably would have worked

L237[06:57:07] <hitech95> what is the difference?

L238[06:57:38] <sham1> Go to the definition and see ;)

L239[06:57:46] <hitech95> ok :P

L240[06:59:15] <hitech95> Anyway ... maybe you are already doing. It would be nice if you could use annotations to synchronize variables. Specifying obviously a priority and assigning the class a listener or sending an event "data changed" in order to restore the synk between classes.

L241[07:00:50] <sham1> I think Diesieb was talking something about @Sync-annotation

L242[07:01:43] <Cypher121> because there's certainly not enough reflection as it is

L243[07:02:31] <sham1> Reflection's not bad though

L244[07:03:02] <Cypher121> it's quite slow

L245[07:03:18] <sham1> Not slow enough to justify dismissal

L246[07:04:18] <Cypher121> it's ok if it's used sparingly, but for TileEntity ticks? don't think so

L247[07:04:23] <Ivorius> Reflection is not quite slow .-.

L248[07:04:40] <Ivorius> JIT is very good at optimizing this shit

L249[07:04:51] <Cypher121> or wait, is synchronization done per tick or separately?

L250[07:05:11] <Ivorius> If you're paranoid use MethodHandle

L251[07:05:37] <sham1> If you are paranoid and have Java that is :P

L252[07:05:51] <Cypher121> I'm not paranoid, I'm bored of playing alone :(

L253[07:06:22] <Ivorius> hitech95: On every change call markBlockForUpdate and markDirty

L254[07:06:37] <Ivorius> The latter is to ensure saving

L255[07:06:50] <hitech95> Oh ok thx..

L256[07:07:01] <Cypher121> number of my friends who have computers that can run modded mc (about same amount of mods) has decreased from 4 (1.4) to 0 (1.7)

L257[07:07:11] <Ivorius> diesie indeed has an @Sync annotation in sevencommons too

L258[07:07:12] <Ivorius> I think it is done at this point :P

L259[07:07:45] <sham1> "@ToNBT"

L260[07:07:46] <sham1> Jeez

L261[07:07:52] <sham1> Diesieb pls

L262[07:08:00] <sham1> Too lazy to NBT by himself :D

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L264[07:09:02] <Cypher121> that's like next level of lazy

L265[07:09:19] <sham1> Well TBF

L266[07:09:22] <Ivorius> I'd use it

L267[07:09:29] <Ivorius> Nobody's calling gson lazy either :P

L268[07:09:51] <sham1> If I knew how to do something like that, I would make Scala ArrowAssoc to create NBT tags

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L270[07:10:01] <sham1> Like

L271[07:10:49] <sham1> tagCompound <= "key" -> { "StringToBeSavedInNBT" -> "fluff" }

L272[07:10:53] <sham1> And stuff like that

L273[07:11:44] <sham1> The thing inside the curly braces would be a tag compound

L274[07:12:26] <hitech95> Speaking of annotations, I do not know how they work specifically. Perhaps an event makes it more efficient.From what I understand you can make a class map with reflection and then use pointers to speed up everything. (yes, I know of java there aren't pointers, but the variables is as if they were.)

L275[07:12:43] <Cypher121> <= "key ->

L276[07:12:47] <sham1> In java there are no pointers

L277[07:12:52] <sham1> There are references

L278[07:12:54] <Cypher121> also known as dismember("key")

L279[07:13:02] <sham1> No

L280[07:13:29] <hitech95> Yes but they are mostrly the "same"...

L281[07:13:57] <sham1> In that "key" would create a tuple with the NBTTagCompound that has the contents specified inside those curly braces

L282[07:14:02] <sham1> PRAISE TUPLES

L283[07:14:15] <Cypher121> lol

L284[07:14:44] <sham1> Pimp-my-library pattern of scala could make that possible

L285[07:14:54] <Cypher121> I can't use scala

L286[07:15:08] <Cypher121> I have PTSD from high school pascal lessons

L287[07:15:33] <Cypher121> and (varname: typename) format brings it back

L288[07:15:51] <sham1> You dont need to specify variable names

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L290[07:15:57] <sham1> or types rather

L291[07:16:01] <sham1> Type inference man

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L295[07:32:17] <Wuppy> welp.. found another online course to follow

L296[07:32:22] <Wuppy> and I already have no free time :P

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L298[07:40:54] <Ivorius> Nobody has free time

L299[07:40:59] <Ivorius> You make time, not have it :P

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L301[07:44:54] <Cypher121> private boolean isFirstTime = false;

L302[07:45:24] <Cypher121> why do I have that urge to add sex joke in comment after this line?

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L307[07:59:28] <GrygrFlzr> Cypher121, experience++;

L308[07:59:30] <GrygrFlzr> :^)

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L314[08:07:46] <sham1> I am bored

L315[08:07:52] <sham1> Someone help me

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L319[08:22:01] <Wuppy> sham1, how can you be bored, it's epic megajam

L320[08:22:38] <sham1> The hell even is that

L321[08:26:24] <Wuppy> a gamejam specifically for games made in unreal

L322[08:27:34] <sham1> Ah

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L326[08:42:41] <Poppy> so, the vanilla class has the itemRand field, right? My item is extending that class, why can't I use the field?

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L328[08:43:40] <Poppy> http://pastebin.com/gxdiQri8

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L331[08:46:06] <Ivorius> You should be able to

L332[08:46:10] <Ivorius> What's your error

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L335[08:48:28] <Tristaric> Now we wait..

L336[08:49:03] <Poppy> "Cannot resolve symbol itemRand"

L337[08:50:33] <Ivorius> Try field_77697_d

L338[08:50:58] <Poppy> thank you, but no, same thing

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L341[08:52:10] <Ivorius> It sounds like a very basic error

L342[08:52:21] <Poppy> I've got Item open, I'm looking at the code, it's using the mcpc name

L343[08:52:22] <Ivorius> If the field is in your used Item class

L344[08:52:24] <Poppy> protected static Random itemRand = new Random();

L345[08:52:34] <Ivorius> And it complains

L346[08:52:38] <Ivorius> Your IDE or workspace is bugged

L347[08:52:47] <Poppy> yeah, sounds like it

L348[08:53:00] <Poppy> for some reason I've got the same issue with.... increments

L349[08:53:14] <masa> is it the IDE that complains or are you tying to build the mod?

L350[08:53:21] <Poppy> IDe

L351[08:53:31] <Caitlyn> Yeah, no issue using itemRand.next* here

L352[08:53:36] <Poppy> lemme try building

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L354[08:56:48] <Poppy> hm, couple of errors, -- and ++ "is not a member of int" and for some reason, onItemUse doesn't seem to need to return a boolean anymore, other than that, looks like the field works just fine

L355[08:58:20] <Mossyblog> when you hit a mob, where does that animation occur btw?

L356[08:58:29] <Mossyblog> ie knockback modifier

L357[08:59:05] <Poppy> oh wait, Error:(30, 79) not found: value itemRand

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L359[09:05:00] <Ivorius> I don't know how exactly scala works with the imports

L360[09:05:11] <Ivorius> But I'd think your IDE should assist you in using the variable

L361[09:05:17] <Ivorius> If you just ctrl space it

L362[09:06:50] <Poppy> hm, the list only shows methods and the itemIcon field

L363[09:07:10] <Poppy> oh well, I'll just make my own random, but damn, that is baffling

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L371[09:24:11] <Wuppy> the unreal documentation is interesting... https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/INT/Engine/Physics/PhysicsBodies/Overview/index.html

L372[09:25:50] <Poppy> looks like it's purely a scala problem

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L377[09:34:42] <hitech95> <sham1>

L378[09:34:43] <hitech95> You were right, it is not working. It only works if there are fluxduct close. And I do not know why.

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L393[10:00:59] <Poppy> Ivorius: looks like the "protected" keyword is at fault

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L397[10:05:36] <sham1> it really shouldnt be

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L399[10:17:02] <Poppy> Ivorius: well, like, kinda. If I got it rigt. See static fields are in a different scope, they go into a companion object (singleton) of the class. So it's not actually in super for scala per se, which might not be that much of a problem, bt it's also protected

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L403[10:31:37] <barteks2x> I wrote base ASM transformer that allows me to add method transformers by method names... and now I need to add ASM trransformer for IntegratedServer constructur...

L404[10:31:46] <barteks2x> It has 2 of them

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L407[10:39:50] <Curle> Ohai

L408[10:40:59] <sham1> hallo

L409[10:43:31] <unascribed> https://unascribed.com/i/cb0a3e10.png https://unascribed.com/i/a481b6bf.png :D

L410[10:43:36] <unascribed> my ore compositor thing works

L411[10:44:37] <unascribed> the best part is that's one render pass with no special render code

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L424[11:10:32] <Curle> Argh

L425[11:10:52] <Curle> I just made a mob and the texture isn't wrapping (It works fine in Techne but not in the game)

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L429[11:13:20] <Curle> OH MY GOOD GOD

L430[11:13:23] <Curle> IT WORKS!

L431[11:13:23] <Curle> :D

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L433[11:14:24] <sham1> :D

L434[11:15:04] <Curle> Also, sham, I found the problem.

L435[11:15:12] <Curle> It wasn't the code, but the premise of the code.

L436[11:15:28] <Curle> Usually, when you use a portal block, it makes a portal on the other side for later exit.

L437[11:15:43] <Curle> Whe I used the item, it made the portal, but it was the first time I made one so it sent me back.

L438[11:16:09] <Curle> So it was my fault, a major misunderstanding. xD

L439[11:16:54] <sham1> :P

L440[11:16:57] <sham1> Nice

L441[11:17:06] <Curle> It took a while to think of that

L442[11:17:11] <unascribed> so apparently my ore compositor explodes when the stone texture is animated

L443[11:17:13] <Curle> And it makes perfect sense so oh well

L444[11:17:14] <Curle> xD

L445[11:17:15] <unascribed> not sure if I should care

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L447[11:17:21] <Curle> Explodes?

L448[11:17:25] <Curle> When the texture is animated?

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L450[11:17:45] <unascribed> when the stone texture is animated

L451[11:17:46] <Curle> My mind just exploded. Never mind about your ore compositor, I need medical attention

L452[11:17:47] <Curle> xD

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L456[11:23:23] <unascribed> it will now only use the first frame of an animated texture

L457[11:23:28] <unascribed> that's better than it breaking entirely I suppose

L458[11:23:57] <Curle> Ye

L459[11:24:03] <Curle> Animated stone, you say?

L460[11:24:06] <Curle> That's not too bad

L461[11:24:07] <Curle> xD

L462[11:24:14] <unascribed> not sure why anything would have animated stone

L463[11:24:16] <unascribed> but it works now

L464[11:24:23] <Curle> First frame of animated stone is stone, but that works too

L465[11:24:23] <Curle> xD

L466[11:24:58] <Curle> Is there a place to get a list of AI tasks?

L467[11:25:44] <unascribed> EntityLiving.tasks and EntityLiving.targetTasks

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L469[11:27:24] <Curle> As far as I can see, there's no way to get an EntityFlying to actively target and attack the player

L470[11:27:36] <Curle> Looking for the EntityGhast class

L471[11:27:50] <shadekiller666> try looking at blazes too

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L474[11:30:09] <Curle> Thanks for that

L475[11:30:16] <Curle> Now I have a phantom problem

L476[11:30:20] <Curle> Not actually with phantoms

L477[11:30:38] <Curle> But every class on another project is giving me a "this type is already defined" error

L478[11:35:56] <Wuppy> how long does it take to copy 230GB of data through USB3?

L479[11:36:00] <Wuppy> Answer: long as fuck

L480[11:36:17] <Curle> USB3?

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L482[11:36:21] <Wuppy> USB 3

L483[11:36:24] <Lord_Ralex> It should not be that long

L484[11:36:27] <Curle> I'd say, about 2/4 hours

L485[11:36:33] <Wuppy> 45 minutes or so

L486[11:36:42] <Curle> Depends on the computer's processor and hard drive speed

L487[11:36:46] <Wuppy> they're mostly videos though

L488[11:36:53] <Lord_Ralex> That's not really that bad, considering what usb2 was :P

L489[11:36:56] <Wuppy> Curle, it mostly depends on file size

L490[11:37:07] <Wuppy> try copying 100MB of minecraf workspaces :P

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L492[11:37:22] <Curle> 100MB?

L493[11:37:27] <Curle> Done. 3 times over.

L494[11:37:47] <Wuppy> all those 1kb files take so much longer

L495[11:38:37] <Curle> Is there a way to make a beacon beam that hurts people, and make it emit from an entity?

L496[11:38:43] <Curle> Just brainstorming atm

L497[11:39:15] <Wuppy> oh noes, I have to make some massive changes to the way I've done variables so far

L498[11:39:31] <Curle> Whai?

L499[11:39:39] <Wuppy> because I'll move some to C++

L500[11:39:45] <Wuppy> whcih _should_ work

L501[11:40:03] <Curle> As soon as I saw "oh noes" I immediately thought "Spaghetti toes"

L502[11:40:09] <Curle> Parenthood ruined me

L503[11:40:09] <Curle> xD

L504[11:40:10] <Wuppy> lol.. what?

L505[11:40:13] <Lord_Ralex> Wuppy, yeah, the fact it's 3.0 is not the problem, it's your device at the end :P

L506[11:40:25] <Wuppy> 100MB/s is quite fast

L507[11:42:08] <Lord_Ralex> And 3.0 is fast than that bandwidth wise

L508[11:42:12] <Lord_Ralex> faster*

L509[11:43:30] <Curle> Lord, I'd say it's the devices at both ends

L510[11:43:56] <Lord_Ralex> Since writing is natively slower, I go with it first

L511[11:44:24] <Wuppy> damn.. nvidia had almost 5GB of junk files on my pc :i

L512[11:44:53] <Gliby> nvidia loves ur hdd more than chrome and eclipse love ram

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L516[11:46:20] <Wuppy> hehe

L517[11:46:25] <Curle> Eclipse isn't bad for RAM for me

L518[11:46:37] <Curle> It's eating my CPU like an african kid

L519[11:46:51] <Curle> No racism intende

L520[11:47:08] <Lord_Ralex> i stopped caring about ram cost, considering it's cheap >_>

L521[11:47:33] <Lord_Ralex> FF is just too slow for me, so chrome using up more memory but being 'faster' is not a problem

L522[11:48:04] <Curle> Chrome is phasing out Java tho

L523[11:48:13] <Curle> We're here because of Java

L524[11:48:14] <Lord_Ralex> does not really bother me personally

L525[11:48:16] <Curle> You traitor

L526[11:48:25] <unascribed> chrome is phasing out java applets

L527[11:48:30] <unascribed> java applets are bad

L528[11:48:33] <unascribed> they always have been bad

L529[11:48:42] <shadowfacts> <3 24 GB RAM

L530[11:48:44] <Curle> Isn't there like 5 on the minecraft.net site?

L531[11:48:52] <Lord_Ralex> there was like 2 before

L532[11:48:53] <Lord_Ralex> but

L533[11:48:58] <unascribed> Minecraft is not an example of how to do things

L534[11:49:03] <shadowfacts> I routinely have 20+ tabs open, and have memory to spare

L535[11:49:06] <Lord_Ralex> one was classic, and the other was the old browser version

L536[11:49:15] <Lord_Ralex> both are outdated, not supported, and don't matter

L537[11:49:17] <unascribed> and the skin viewer used to be an applet

L538[11:49:18] <unascribed> but they removed it

L539[11:49:22] <Curle> Shadow, what in the name of holy fuck do you need 24 gigs of RAM for?

L540[11:49:30] <unascribed> "Stuff"

L541[11:49:37] <Wuppy> shadowfacts, isnt' that a tad bit overkill?

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L543[11:49:37] <unascribed> -- People with more than 16GB of RAM

L544[11:49:43] <Wuppy> I have 8 :P

L545[11:49:44] <Lord_Ralex> although i use netbeans over eclipse, simply because eclipse would not shut up >_>

L546[11:49:48] <Lord_Ralex> 16GB yay

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L548[11:49:55] <unascribed> oh, I have 24GB of RAM too

L549[11:49:57] <unascribed> I forgot

L550[11:49:58] <unascribed> lol

L551[11:50:03] <Curle> I have 8 on my gaming computer, and 4 on this (Programming computer)

L552[11:50:04] <shadowfacts> lol

L553[11:50:14] <Wuppy> I'm sitting here with my games running on almost-ultra :P

L554[11:50:21] <Wuppy> i5 4460, GTX 970 4GB

L555[11:50:24] <Curle> Never reached over 80% RAM usage

L556[11:50:24] <Lord_Ralex> i could switch to 32GB if i wanted to pull my 8G sticks out of my crap server

L557[11:50:28] <Wuppy> and 256GB SSD

L558[11:50:38] <Curle> 1TB HDD

L559[11:50:46] <Wuppy> same here

L560[11:50:48] <Curle> .5TB on this one

L561[11:50:54] <unascribed> I've reached 95% or so RAM usage plenty of times

L562[11:50:56] <Wuppy> but windows & games are on my shiny SSD

L563[11:50:58] <unascribed> so

L564[11:51:05] <Wuppy> 1000% worth it for an SSD by the way

L565[11:51:07] <shadowfacts> 24 gb ram is no more overkill than 2x 6 core Xeons

L566[11:51:08] <Lord_Ralex> raid 10 ssds :P

L567[11:51:14] <Lord_Ralex> that's a waste

L568[11:51:20] <Curle> Wuppy, I would but my computer is premade

L569[11:51:27] <Wuppy> :C :C :C :C

L570[11:51:35] <unascribed> :((((

L571[11:51:38] <Wuppy> my memory usage is a steady 5.1GB atm

L572[11:51:44] <Curle> Small folding touchscreen all-in-one

L573[11:51:45] <Wuppy> but I've got unreal open which is insane

L574[11:51:50] <Curle> Bloody beast

L575[11:51:53] <shadowfacts> wow, I'm at 10 gb used right now

L576[11:52:01] <unascribed> 20.3GB

L577[11:52:02] <Wuppy> this thing has a minimum requirement of 8GB

L578[11:52:16] <Curle> I'm at 1G used, with Eclipse and modded Minecraft open at max

L579[11:52:18] <Wuppy> my 1000 euro laptop from about a year ago is only just capable of running it :|

L580[11:52:23] <Curle> How do you use so much ram guys

L581[11:52:24] <Curle> :P

L582[11:52:31] <Lord_Ralex> get enough open :P

L583[11:52:36] <Lord_Ralex> games can eat nearly 1.5GB alone

L584[11:52:42] <unascribed> I have 3 copies of Eclipse open, a YouTube video, and a ton of random stuff in the background

L585[11:52:56] <Wuppy> I've got perforce, unrael, VS, skype and chrome

L586[11:53:11] <Wuppy> and unreal eats 700MB at idle

L587[11:53:15] <shadowfacts> I have IRC, Slack, Skype, Curse, Chrome, SimCity, iTunes, and my mail client

L588[11:53:17] <Lord_Ralex> ah... VS... memory muncher there

L589[11:53:18] <shadowfacts> so yea

L590[11:53:22] <Curle> This computer is for programming alone, so that's not really a thing I'll do often xD

L591[11:53:28] <Curle> Visual Studio?

L592[11:53:33] <Curle> Damn, I remember that

L593[11:53:52] <Lord_Ralex> it can eat memory too :P

L594[11:54:05] <Curle> Only if you have memory to eat :P

L595[11:54:37] <Wuppy> heh, if I run the game in standalone it uses 69% of my ram :P

L596[11:54:43] <Curle> :P

L597[11:54:57] <Curle> :P COMBO :P

L598[11:55:29] <Lord_Ralex> work had us using 6GB machines, and man, VS could eat that when we had some projects open

L599[11:55:55] <Curle> What job do you work?

L600[11:56:06] <Curle> / did

L601[11:56:42] <Wuppy> less than 8 :<

L602[11:56:45] <Wuppy> 8 is the perfect amount

L603[11:57:11] <Wuppy> dammit, unreal should stop crashing

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L606[12:01:50] <Curle> Pull yourself together, UnReal

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L611[12:04:55] <Curle> Alrighty then

L612[12:05:05] <Curle> Blaze nor Ghast classes have any help to me

L613[12:08:13] <Curle> Getting an entityFlying to attack the player, any help?

L614[12:08:29] <MrKickkiller> Firebat?

L615[12:08:40] <Curle> What?

L616[12:08:41] <Curle> xD

L617[12:09:34] <Digitalsabre> Aren't Firebats from Thaumcraft?

L618[12:09:43] <Curle> What?

L619[12:09:47] <Curle> wat

L620[12:09:57] <Wuppy> someone seems a bit confused here :P

L621[12:10:00] <unascribed> Thaumcraft adds a version of the bat that is extremely annoying and attacks players

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L623[12:10:07] <Curle> Oh, hellbat

L624[12:10:14] <unascribed> I think he's suggesting you look at how firebats work, which you can't, as Thaumcraft is closed source

L625[12:10:15] <Curle> From the nether

L626[12:10:40] <Curle> any other ideas then?

L627[12:10:51] <tterrag|away> yeah you definitely "can't" look at thaumcraft

L628[12:10:53] <tterrag|away> nope, not at all

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L630[12:11:33] <unascribed> you could decompile it, I guess

L631[12:11:43] <tterrag|laptop> definitely couldn't just use BON2 and JD-GUI

L632[12:11:45] <tterrag|laptop> that would never work

L633[12:11:47] <tterrag|laptop> nooo

L634[12:11:51] <tterrag|laptop> >__>

L635[12:11:56] <Curle> No idea what either of those are

L636[12:11:57] <Curle> :P

L637[12:12:13] <Curle> Sir, I'm afraid you have Programmer's Disorder

L638[12:12:23] <unascribed> JD-GUI is the Java Decompiler GUI

L639[12:12:37] <unascribed> BON2 is Bearded Octo Nemesis 2, it deobfuscates Minecraft mods

L640[12:12:51] <tterrag|laptop> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=BON2

L641[12:12:53] <tterrag|laptop> had to

L642[12:13:14] <unascribed> https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=BON2

L643[12:13:15] <unascribed> ftfy

L644[12:13:47] <tterrag|laptop> except that doesn't work

L645[12:14:04] <Curle> let me duck duck go that for you?

L646[12:14:09] <Curle> Okay, that makes sense

L647[12:14:20] <unascribed> https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=!github+BON2

L648[12:14:28] <unascribed> oh

L649[12:14:32] <unascribed> they changed it from + to %20

L650[12:14:34] <unascribed> huh

L651[12:15:01] <Curle> /a/%%30%30

L652[12:15:20] <Wuppy> FFS stop crashing unreal

L653[12:15:24] <Curle> xD

L654[12:17:24] <sham1> bearded-octo nemesis

L655[12:17:30] <Curle> tterrag, you seem acquainted with the developer of Bearded-cocto-nemesis

L656[12:17:43] <Curle> WOW, COCTO! OCTO*

L657[12:17:44] <Wuppy> still love that name sham1 xD

L658[12:17:50] <Curle> Sham-WOW!

L659[12:17:50] <sham1> Yes

L660[12:18:19] <unascribed> scamwow

L661[12:18:23] <Curle> xD

L662[12:18:25] <tterrag|laptop> who, parker?

L663[12:18:28] <tterrag|laptop> a bit, yes, why?

L664[12:18:50] <Curle> There are 5 mentions of tterrag on his Github

L665[12:20:33] <tterrag|laptop> Curle, I have made a few PRs

L666[12:20:48] <Curle> PR? Pull Request?

L667[12:20:52] <tterrag|laptop> yes

L668[12:20:58] <Curle> Dat guess to

L669[12:21:00] <Curle> tho*

L670[12:22:29] <Curle> Installing the Decompiler plugin nao

L671[12:22:35] <Curle> Thanks, tter

L672[12:23:13] <tterrag|laptop> plugin...

L673[12:23:18] <Curle> Yep[

L674[12:23:22] <Curle> For Eclipse

L675[12:23:23] <tterrag|laptop> just get jd-gui

L676[12:23:29] <Curle> Can't be assed

L677[12:23:31] <Curle> :P

L678[12:23:32] <tterrag|laptop> -.-

L679[12:23:35] <tterrag|laptop> w/e

L680[12:24:04] <Curle> Oh hey

L681[12:24:15] <Curle> There was just a car crash on Forge Road in my city

L682[12:24:26] <Curle> what a coincidence

L683[12:26:23] <Poppy> what is this I hear, Immibis is becoming popular thanks to bearded octo nemesis?

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L685[12:26:43] <Poppy> ironic considering his fall from grace was because of his meddling in eloraams mod

L686[12:26:52] <tterrag|laptop> BON has been around for AGES

L687[12:27:05] <tterrag|laptop> he is not gaining popularity because of it, especially since it's out of date and most people use BON2

L688[12:27:33] <Curle> Bearded cocto nemesis?

L689[12:27:35] <Curle> Ye

L690[12:28:28] <Poppy> well yeah, but still

L691[12:28:32] <Poppy> he's the original author :D

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L694[12:28:56] <tterrag|laptop> Poppy, BON2 is a rewrite

L695[12:28:58] <tterrag|laptop> so, not really

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L699[12:30:34] <Poppy> aawwwh

L700[12:31:26] <Poppy> tterrag|laptop: I just wish Immibis got some recognition, he's an okay guy. Not very creative but it bothers me how he got treated after the incident

L701[12:32:56] <tterrag|laptop> I've been saying that for years

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L717[13:03:17] <Dan_Yeomans> good afternoon

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L719[13:04:58] <Pyker> after what incident

L720[13:05:13] <Pyker> ^ Poppy

L721[13:05:16] <sham1> Good evening men of the gentle kind

L722[13:05:43] <Poppy> Pyker: he made an energy converter for redpower

L723[13:05:49] <Poppy> back in the day, that was sacriledge

L724[13:06:01] <Poppy> nowadays it just seems stupid

L725[13:06:07] <Pyker> ah

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L727[13:07:38] <tterrag|laptop> it'd be like someone making a mod that converts EU to RF

L728[13:07:42] <tterrag|laptop> oh wait...there's like 10 of those

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L730[13:12:29] <Dan_Yeomans> are there any mods that implement just redstone logic gates and nothing else

L731[13:13:31] <tterrag|laptop> Dan_Yeomans, speaking of immibis, redlogic does that :P

L732[13:13:38] <tterrag|laptop> it is purely redstone stuff

L733[13:14:36] <Dan_Yeomans> oh nice

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L735[13:14:46] <Dan_Yeomans> i was gonna make one but good to know i don't have to

L736[13:14:50] <Dan_Yeomans> (unless i want it for 1.8)

L737[13:15:36] <Dan_Yeomans> this mod is crazy though

L738[13:15:54] <tterrag|laptop> it's amazing :P

L739[13:16:04] <tterrag|laptop> needs a visual rework, but the functionality is there

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L741[13:17:37] <Dan_Yeomans> i have a thing for mods that look really stock-like

L742[13:17:43] <Dan_Yeomans> this does not satisfy that

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L744[13:24:32] <sham1> Well you can make one yourself

L745[13:24:49] <TomWolf> http://www.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/229507-automated-redstone

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L747[13:25:46] <TomWolf> http://www.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/229507-automated-redstone

L748[13:26:00] <sham1> It sucks when people do not include deobfuscated versions of their mods

L749[13:26:36] <sham1> And I know I could use Bearded-octo-nemesis to fix that

L750[13:26:41] <sham1> But I am lazy bastard so no

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L752[13:27:06] <tterrag|laptop> it takes 5 seconds with BON2

L753[13:27:21] <Dan_Yeomans> what do you mean sham1

L754[13:27:59] <sham1> what "what do you mean"

L755[13:28:04] <TomWolf> He means he wants to play around with the sourcescode.

L756[13:28:08] <sham1> No

L757[13:28:20] <Dan_Yeomans> i mean what do you mean by deobfuscated versions of mods

L758[13:28:34] <sham1> I want to be able to use the mod in my dev enviorment without having to BON or CCC or anything

L759[13:28:40] <sham1> Okay

L760[13:29:00] <sham1> When you are in dev space, minecraft among other things are deobfuscated

L761[13:29:19] <sham1> They use names for classes and fields and methods that are not like aaa or something like that

L762[13:29:29] <tterrag|laptop> aaa is notch name

L763[13:29:32] <tterrag|laptop> classes are always deobf

L764[13:29:36] <sham1> Oh

L765[13:29:42] <tterrag|laptop> methods/fields are in srg when out of dev

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L767[13:29:58] <sham1> And when you gradle build your mod

L768[13:30:11] <tterrag|laptop> it maps mcp names back to srg names

L769[13:30:18] <tterrag|laptop> so that it runs independant of MC versions

L770[13:30:21] <sham1> Yeah

L771[13:30:27] <tterrag|laptop> and MCP mapping changes

L772[13:30:49] <sham1> When you have a deobfuscated mod, you can use it in dev space

L773[13:31:06] <tterrag|laptop> right

L774[13:31:10] <tterrag|laptop> deobf mods are purely in MCP names

L775[13:32:31] <sham1> When you dont have a deobfuscated mod jars, you can use BON or CCC to make it so that the mod jar uses the MCP names instead of SRG names

L776[13:32:46] <sham1> Or map or whatever

L777[13:32:50] <sham1> I dont know the details

L778[13:33:00] <unascribed> I think it's probably actually better for people not to supply deobf versions and require BON2

L779[13:33:06] <unascribed> if you use different mappings, things won't work

L780[13:33:19] <sham1> All I know is that BON and BON 2 and CodeChickenShite allow me to use obfuscated mods in my dev instance

L781[13:34:21] <sham1> Lets hope that WAILA does not break rendering anymore in 1.8

L782[13:37:02] <Dan_Yeomans> RenderingUtils.renderWithIcon is undefined in 1.7?

L783[13:38:51] <sham1> Apparently not

L784[13:39:28] <sham1> Well that is a shame

L785[13:39:39] <sham1> Because I would love to have WAILA support in my mod

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L790[13:55:00] <Wuppy> I should have a party again....

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L792[13:55:25] <sham1> NO DONT DO IT

L793[13:55:28] <sham1> Stay here with ut

L794[13:55:30] <sham1> us*

L795[13:55:39] <Wuppy> it has been almost a week :c

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L797[13:56:01] <Wuppy> but either way, the party will be tomorrow :P

L798[13:56:04] <Wuppy> hopefully

L799[13:56:09] <Wuppy> or/and wednesday

L800[13:59:28] <Gliby> does HHVM use that cool SIMD stuff?

L801[13:59:52] <Gliby> wait does java even use SIMD

L802[14:00:17] <Wuppy> SIMD is cool :D

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L804[14:02:54] <tterrag|laptop> Dan that code is my own

L805[14:02:57] <tterrag|laptop> check the imports

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L822[14:36:28] <diesieben07> Gliby, I think it does, if the VM can figure out how :P

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L824[14:37:29] <Gliby> installing debian at school 40min

L825[14:37:38] <Gliby> installing debian at home 2+ hours

L826[14:37:49] <Gliby> god my internet at home is slow

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L829[14:38:26] <diesieben07> lol

L830[14:38:40] <Gliby> i say 2h+ because its still installing :(

L831[14:38:56] <diesieben07> i downloaded gta v 2 days ago, it took about 36h

L832[14:39:35] <Gliby> 1.8 GB an hour isn't that bad

L833[14:39:40] <Gliby> its pretty "not bad"

L834[14:39:50] <Gliby> gta 5 is 65gb in size

L835[14:40:02] <diesieben07> i know

L836[14:40:33] <Gliby> here's the funny part, where I live we have 4g faster/cheaper than DSL

L837[14:40:42] <Gliby> so we use 4g routers

L838[14:40:47] <diesieben07> wow

L839[14:40:52] <diesieben07> its faster here too, but not cheaper

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L848[14:59:46] <Wuppy> look at our gamejam game, our gamejam game is amazing http://puu.sh/kHVED/8563dba3d9.jpg

L849[15:00:44] <sham1> I will not give it a lick even if you want me to

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L854[15:03:20] <Wuppy> y u no sham1

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L858[15:07:23] <Gliby> Wuppy does models look dope. Who made them?

L859[15:07:31] <Wuppy> an artist in my team :D

L860[15:07:39] <Gliby> do u pay him?

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L862[15:07:45] <Wuppy> nop

L863[15:07:48] <Gliby> aww :(

L864[15:07:56] <Gliby> i wish i knew people like that

L865[15:09:11] <Wuppy> that's the sort of thing that happens on a game development school

L866[15:09:19] <Gliby> WAT

L867[15:09:29] <Gliby> There are schools for game dev?!?! wow

L868[15:09:33] <Gliby> exicting

L869[15:09:57] <Wuppy> Gliby, are you from the netherlands?

L870[15:10:03] <Gliby> nope.avi

L871[15:10:07] <Gliby> avi.nope

L872[15:10:09] <Wuppy> where then?

L873[15:10:47] <Gliby> Latvia :)

L874[15:11:02] <Gliby> right next to Sweden

L875[15:11:13] <Wuppy> COOL

L876[15:11:17] <Wuppy> latvians are awesome

L877[15:11:44] <Gliby> that's the first time I've ever seen anyone say that :O

L878[15:11:48] <Gliby> thanks

L879[15:11:52] <Wuppy> hehe

L880[15:11:58] <Wuppy> I've lived with some latvians for like half a year

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L882[15:13:16] <Gliby> oh that's sweet. Latvia is like Russia's little brother, with some Swedish people.

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L884[15:13:49] <Gliby> I don't think that analogy makes sense :D

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L886[15:14:59] <Wuppy> also, a nice bar woman at my favorite new bar is latvian :P

L887[15:15:26] <Gliby> Latvians are known for their women. :D

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L897[15:16:26] <Gliby> hey Zaggy1024

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L899[15:16:47] <Gliby> has anyone used http://deploybot.com/ ?

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L902[15:17:45] <Wuppy> Gliby, aren't russia and sweden known for their women

L903[15:17:49] <Wuppy> oh... wait....

L904[15:17:49] <Wuppy> :P

L905[15:18:30] <Subaraki> who knows captainSparklez ?

L906[15:18:37] <Wuppy> youtuber

L907[15:18:38] <TehNut> nobody.

L908[15:18:51] <Gliby> pretty much everyone knows who he is.

L909[15:19:30] <Dan_Yeomans> FINALLY MY TELEPORTER MOD IS FULLY PORTED

L910[15:19:43] <Subaraki> is it true he bought a villa ?

L911[15:19:50] <Subaraki> Dan_Yeomans, oh ? competition ?

L912[15:20:02] <Gliby> has anyone made a really reallly really abstract forge wrapper?

L913[15:20:27] <Gliby> that almost never changes between versions?

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L915[15:20:38] <shadowfacts> yes, Gliby, NOVA

L916[15:20:51] <AbrarSyed> Gliby, there is Nova, and sponge.. sponge isnt really a wrapper but a bukkit-like API.

L917[15:21:05] <diesieben07> i haven't heard good things about nova

L918[15:21:08] <shadowfacts> NOVA is about as abstract as you get

L919[15:21:19] <shadowfacts> so abstract it could potentially work with multiple games

L920[15:21:25] <Dan_Yeomans> haha possibly Subaraki, you tell me: http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/2407569-vanilla-inspired-teleporters-1-4-5-now-teleports

L921[15:21:42] <Gliby> oh god

L922[15:21:45] <Gliby> https://github.com/NOVA-Team/NOVA-Core

L923[15:22:03] <shadowfacts> it's the github repo...

L924[15:22:15] <Gliby> for the irc lurkers :)

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L927[15:22:34] <Gliby> i'm sure plenty of people don't know what nova is.

L928[15:22:35] <Dan_Yeomans> ffs hexchat

L929[15:22:52] <Subaraki> Dan_Yeomans, http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1292377-

L930[15:23:00] <TehNut> Dan_Yeomans: Oh you make that mod

L931[15:23:16] <TehNut> I was going to port that like right when you showed it off on Reddit (at least I think you did?)

L932[15:23:21] <TehNut> Then I got lazy and said fuck it

L933[15:23:27] <Dan_Yeomans> Haha yeah TehNut. The name gave it away didn't it? ;)

L934[15:23:46] <Dan_Yeomans> I didn't show it on reddit. someone else must have. anyways the 1.7 port is finally complete so

L935[15:23:50] <TehNut> No I forgot the name. Hadn't looked at it in motnhs :p

L936[15:23:54] <TehNut> I guess so

L937[15:24:37] <Gliby> NOVA seems pretty awesome

L938[15:24:47] <Dan_Yeomans> also Subaraki your link didn't work :S

L939[15:24:53] <Subaraki> really ?

L940[15:25:02] <TehNut> Remove the - from the end

L941[15:25:07] <TehNut> Or add anything after the -

L942[15:25:09] <Dan_Yeomans> ohh okay

L943[15:25:10] <Subaraki> http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding/minecraft-mods/1292377-telepads-taking-teleports-to-a-whole-new-level

L944[15:25:14] <Subaraki> here's the full link

L945[15:25:37] <Dan_Yeomans> oh wow i guess we are in competition haha

L946[15:25:41] <TehNut> The forum software is dumb and doesn't let just the - work. But adding anything after or removing it works >.>

L947[15:26:38] <Dan_Yeomans> i like your upgrades idea though

L948[15:26:46] <Gliby> https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/3n2gah/dear_mojang_please_create_an_official_minecraft/

L949[15:27:06] <TehNut> Yes

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L952[15:27:20] <Subaraki> Dan_Yeomans, hey man, i don't see it as competition

L953[15:27:23] <Wuppy> 100000% agreed

L954[15:27:26] <Subaraki> i'm sure we can both inspire each other

L955[15:27:37] <Wuppy> I've shouted at curse so many times

L956[15:27:37] <Subaraki> i was counting on adding in passwords anyway

L957[15:27:44] <Wuppy> they are exceptionally incapable

L958[15:27:48] <Wuppy> although very friendly :)

L959[15:27:48] <Subaraki> your mod gave me an idea you see

L960[15:27:49] <Gliby> minecraftforum does look nice though

L961[15:27:55] <Dan_Yeomans> oh yeah?

L962[15:27:59] <Gliby> Bukkit has a nice forum

L963[15:28:00] <Subaraki> i'll just have to ask diplomaticly for it

L964[15:28:06] <TehNut> CurseForge has issues but they listen :p

L965[15:28:09] <Subaraki> we'll do that later somewhere else :P

L966[15:28:36] <Gliby> but I think a cluster of minecraft sub reddits could serve as a replacement for minecraftforum.net

L967[15:28:46] <Subaraki> you could join my channel Dan_Yeomans , #Subaraki

L968[15:28:48] <Subaraki> its quiet there

L969[15:28:53] <Gliby> nevertheless i'm still going to use minecraftforum

L970[15:28:53] <Subaraki> mind if we talked ? :D

L971[15:29:05] <Subaraki> mc forums are really good

L972[15:29:11] <Subaraki> i've got trouble understanding curseforge

L973[15:29:19] <Gliby> they look nice, but they suck at everything else.

L974[15:29:27] <Ivorius> mcf has seen worse times

L975[15:29:28] <jadedcat> well understanding CurseForge I can help with

L976[15:29:36] <Wuppy> they've messed up my posts so many times

L977[15:29:36] <TehNut> CurseForge is so much nicer and easier...

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L979[15:29:42] <Gliby> why isn't the editor a meme yet?

L980[15:29:42] <Ivorius> Since about a month the post editor has been usable again

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L982[15:29:47] <Wuppy> Ivorius, that's true, but still, it's still awful

L983[15:30:00] <Gliby> i just use a online bb editor and then just copy and paste the bb

L984[15:30:36] <Ivorius> That's what I did when it was broken

L985[15:30:39] <Ivorius> Currently it works fine

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L987[15:30:54] <Ivorius> I would have understood the post 3 months ago

L988[15:31:01] <Ivorius> But I have no idea why they'd post it now

L989[15:32:20] <jadedcat> well the guy who can help get it fixed's response got buried as usual on reddit

L990[15:32:51] <Wuppy> ^ you're from curse right?

L991[15:32:59] <jadedcat> thats the main problem with reddit, its not a good enue for people actually being able to communicate. Its too easy for people to bury pertinent information and not respond to questions for suggestions

L992[15:33:15] <Ivorius> Is citric on the reddit sub?

L993[15:33:17] <jadedcat> CurseForge Wuppy

L994[15:33:17] <Wuppy> something something neither are the minecraft forums :P

L995[15:33:30] <Ivorius> Oh I found him

L996[15:33:31] <Wuppy> citric is a cool guy :)

L997[15:33:42] <jadedcat> Ivorius: he answered, Kaelten answered, Telshin (the coder) answered, all tried to get suggestions, and their responses got buried

L998[15:34:05] <jadedcat> and thats the number 1 issue with reddit

L999[15:34:07] <Gliby> u guys need try harder

L1000[15:34:10] <jadedcat> that stupid voting thing

L1001[15:34:24] <jadedcat> people can too easily bury important info just because they want to

L1002[15:34:35] <Ivorius> reddit is not meant for community management

L1003[15:34:39] <Ivorius> It's a content aggregator :P

L1004[15:34:43] <jadedcat> exactly

L1005[15:35:05] <Gliby> but forum are so 2004

L1006[15:35:10] <Gliby> but forums are so 2004

L1007[15:35:11] <Gliby> ***

L1008[15:35:20] <jadedcat> part of why CurseForge has been getting better, is we sit in IRC and mod devs tell us what they need, and what is broken. Its faster

L1009[15:35:35] <Gliby> why is curseforge so confusing

L1010[15:35:42] <jadedcat> define "confusing"

L1011[15:35:46] <Wuppy> cursfusing

L1012[15:35:48] <Wuppy> :P

L1013[15:35:53] <jadedcat> elaborate :p

L1014[15:36:16] <Gliby> I think I had upload a curse project, then it got uploaded to curseforge

L1015[15:36:42] <jadedcat> CurseForge is where the projects are kept. Curse.com is where (currently) projects are shown

L1016[15:37:23] <Ivorius> People just love complaining too much

L1017[15:37:33] <Ivorius> Notch got shit on, Mojang gets shit on, Forge gets shit on

L1018[15:37:45] <Ivorius> MCF gets their share

L1019[15:37:46] <LexManos> Thats all they do. Welcome to the internet.

L1020[15:37:47] <Wuppy> ^ that is a good point

L1021[15:38:00] <jadedcat> basically Curse.com has some problems, CurseForge is the rewrite/upgrade. CurseForge is where devs put files, they can keep files only on CurseForge and not on curse.com/client if they want to test a release without putting it out where its easily found by people that might not appreciate test files.

L1022[15:38:15] <gigaherz> Ivorius: anything you do, will be seen as "the wrong thing" by someone, it's unavoidable

L1023[15:38:16] <Gliby> it's not that confusing anymore, but when I started it was.

L1024[15:38:26] <Gliby> how does curseforge verify files?

L1025[15:38:32] <gigaherz> make a fun game? "fun games are for children!"

L1026[15:38:35] <jadedcat> by hand Gliby

L1027[15:38:47] <jadedcat> me, and a team of moderator/admins

L1028[15:39:00] <Gliby> curseforge doesn't like 1.5.2 :(

L1029[15:39:10] <jadedcat> how so?

L1030[15:39:12] <gigaherz> 1.5.2? you are making agmes of mc1.5.2?

L1031[15:39:17] <gigaherz> ehh

L1032[15:39:18] <gigaherz> mods*

L1033[15:39:31] <jadedcat> MagicFarm2 is 1.5.2 and its on CurseForge

L1034[15:40:03] <Gliby> Let me upload a 1.5.2 .jar, and see if it gets accepted

L1035[15:40:41] <jadedcat> http://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/notenoughitems/files?filter-game-version=2020709689%3A312

L1036[15:40:46] <jadedcat> theres a 1.5.2 jar file

L1037[15:41:06] <jadedcat> http://minecraft.curseforge.com/mc-mods?filter-game-version=2020709689%3A312&filter-sort=popularity there's a whole bunch of 1.5.2 jar files

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L1039[15:41:48] <jadedcat> if you have one that is failing, give me a link tot eh project, and I can have the code people go poking to find out what is failing.

L1040[15:42:03] <Gliby> the file is under review

L1041[15:43:47] <Gliby> it got approved.

L1042[15:44:13] <jadedcat> yup

L1043[15:44:19] <Gliby> I wonder why it didn't get approved previously..

L1044[15:44:20] <jadedcat> looks fine from here

L1045[15:44:27] <jadedcat> was it on this project?

L1046[15:44:35] <Gliby> yep

L1047[15:45:11] <jadedcat> um... that's odd

L1048[15:45:35] <jadedcat> if I had to make a guess , its because you flagged it for java 8 ...

L1049[15:45:56] <jadedcat> the rejected 1.5.2 shows as being java 8 , which would be really odd for 1.5.2

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L1051[15:46:17] <jadedcat> do you use a Mac by any chance?

L1052[15:46:21] <Gliby> nope.

L1053[15:46:22] <Gliby> sorry for making a fuss.

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L1056[15:46:58] <jadedcat> well, the reason given was "Invalid zip file" , which usually means something went missing in upload, or something extra and the .zip reader felt it wasn't a .zip file

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L1059[15:47:36] <jadedcat> which usually means Mac or 7zip, both of which have been fixed and shouldn't cause issues anymore

L1060[15:48:10] <jadedcat> if you have issues in the future jump in #curseforge , poke an op, we can usually tell you what happened, or if its a glitch on our side get it fixed.

L1061[15:48:39] <Ivorius> Now there's a channel I can idle in \o/

L1062[15:49:13] <Gliby> thanks jadedcat

L1063[15:49:22] <Ivorius> Watch me write 3 messages in 2 years

L1064[15:49:43] <jadedcat> and if for some reason no one answers in there, poke me (JadedcatWylde) or Kaelten on twitter or yell at @CurseForge on twitter. Someone will show up and bop whatever is malfunctioning :p

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L1067[15:53:04] <Ivorius> Jaded, how's the curse redesign doing anyway

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L1069[15:53:33] <jadedcat> its going pretty well, I am excited, but sad. No one will let me change the colors to purple and black :(

L1070[15:53:55] <TehNut> i'd be fine with that

L1071[15:54:02] <masa> what is being redesigned?

L1072[15:54:44] <jadedcat> I think "everything" covers it.

L1073[15:54:48] <Ivorius> Future Bass curse

L1074[15:54:50] <Ivorius> I'd be down

L1075[15:54:54] <Digitalsabre> jadedcat: what's wrong with purple and black?

L1076[15:55:21] <jadedcat> nothing... but I am told I can't paint everything purple no matter how much I like the color

L1077[15:55:39] <Digitalsabre> Pff.

L1078[15:55:41] <masa> aaaahhhh change! time to panic! I fear the change!

L1079[15:55:42] <Digitalsabre> Lame.

L1080[15:55:58] <masa> I'm still grumpy about the new buttons on CurseForge, lol

L1081[15:56:06] <jadedcat> masa, it will be more like CurseForge, which is currently way better looking and easier to use.

L1082[15:56:16] <jadedcat> which ones masa?

L1083[15:56:49] <jadedcat> https://twitter.com/Telshin is the guy doing that stuff, he's always looking for feedback on the changes.

L1084[15:57:15] <masa> File, Image, Download etc. buttons on the top of curseforge were updated recntly, it just looks odd to me because I was used to the old look :D but that is just my mental problem or whatever, I generally don't like change when I get used to something :p

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L1086[15:57:36] <TehNut> Yeah I preferred the old ones

L1087[15:57:37] <masa> so just ignore my ramblings

L1088[15:57:50] <TehNut> New ones are taking time to get used to

L1089[15:58:10] <masa> well an actual opinion might be that the old buttons had better conrast and were a little bit easier to see/recognize

L1090[15:58:19] <masa> *contrast

L1091[15:58:25] <jadedcat> hehe there was some fun in dev on that one, I may have yelped at one point >.>

L1092[15:59:47] <jadedcat> but really, tweet any concerns, issues, opinions at Telshin, or go poke him in #curseforge , he doesn't bite. I do, he doesn't

L1093[16:00:01] <masa> hehe

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L1095[16:01:27] <Digitalsabre> Hmm... whenever I get done with BBRedux, I should host a release party on a server somewhere.

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L1097[16:03:22] <Curle> Digital, I'm happy to host

L1098[16:03:35] <Curle> I may not have the best, but I'll be damned if it's bad :P

L1099[16:03:42] <masa> BoundingBoxRedux?

L1100[16:03:58] <Curle> Also, free.

L1101[16:04:05] <Ivorius> no its all acronym masa

L1102[16:04:06] <masa> Bold & Beautiful Redux?

L1103[16:04:16] <Curle> PM me if you like but I have to go

L1104[16:04:17] <Curle> :D

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L1108[16:05:34] <Digitalsabre> Better Breeding Redux.

L1109[16:05:50] <Ivorius> bounding boxes r every dude's unrealistic xstasis

L1110[16:05:53] <Digitalsabre> I won't be working on it actively until after Wuppy's book is released, though.

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L1112[16:05:58] <Ivorius> I'm a master at this

L1113[16:06:08] <Wuppy> \o/

L1114[16:06:10] <Wuppy> I got pinge

L1115[16:06:12] <Wuppy> d

L1116[16:06:36] <Digitalsabre> Wuppy: Of course! Nov 21 can't come soon enough for me. xD

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L1119[16:07:35] <Ivorius> Wuppy: https://i.imgur.com/53BQ95J.jpg

L1120[16:07:46] <Wuppy> our game is getting so damn pretty atm it's insane http://puu.sh/kI0RF/a2d5d571e4.jpg

L1121[16:08:01] <Wuppy> http://puu.sh/kI0Q4/68769ad3a2.jpg

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L1133[16:28:25] <barteks2x> I finally fixed my chests-not-working bug. It was because getTileEntity was setting stie entity even if Chunk.EnumCreateEntityType was CHECK

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L1151[17:25:28] <barteks2x> does Forge for 1.6.4 have forgegradle?

L1152[17:25:51] <Caitlyn> barteks2x, one version did IIRC

L1153[17:25:59] <Caitlyn> I wanna say it was 964

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L1156[17:26:35] <barteks2x> will mods for that version be compatible with previous version? I need to write small mod for that version

L1157[17:26:51] <TehNut> Yes

L1158[17:26:57] <Caitlyn> ^

L1159[17:26:58] <TehNut> ForgeGradle is for dev setup and building

L1160[17:27:01] <TehNut> Has nothing to do with ingame

L1161[17:27:42] <barteks2x> I know, but there might be some internal changes in forge as well

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L1163[17:28:33] <TehNut> If anybody is using less than 1345 for 1.6.4, they're doing it wrong.

L1164[17:31:00] <tterrag> do not use 965 for 1.6 dev

L1165[17:31:07] <tterrag> it is for users only, and won't work indev

L1166[17:31:22] <tterrag> better yet don't do 1.6 dev at all

L1167[17:31:23] <tterrag> seriously..

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L1170[17:35:34] <Cazzar> Any quite experienced Arch users able to help with: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c15965e19e93852f978d ?

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L1172[17:39:22] <fry> well, did you run 'pacman-key --init' ? :P

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L1174[17:41:30] <Cazzar> fry: it tells me it needs to be run as root, and I have ran it as root.

L1175[17:42:57] <Cazzar> also

L1176[17:42:59] <Cazzar> wat http://i.imgur.com/SQqHKSs.png

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L1178[17:43:21] <tterrag> oh good....apparently mcforge docs have been failing builds for weeks

L1179[17:43:29] <tterrag> somethign changed...

L1180[17:43:39] <Cazzar> fry: care to figure out that screenshot? :P

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L1182[17:44:19] <fry> what's wrong with it? :P

L1183[17:44:41] <fry> firefox header + file browser window?

L1184[17:44:52] <Cazzar> no, the factor I have nothing in my fstab

L1185[17:45:03] <Cazzar> my first response was: wat

L1186[17:45:15] <fry> do you have something like /etc/fstab.d? :P

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L1188[17:45:31] <Cazzar> nope

L1189[17:45:39] * Cazzar reboots into archiso

L1190[17:46:22] <smbarbour> The new version of Arch use systemd, so systemd.mount

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L1192[17:47:05] <Cazzar> smbarbour: I've used arch for a while, just, the factor the system is running fine and no proper fstab.

L1193[17:47:09] <Cazzar> (recent install)

L1194[17:47:58] <fry> "tl;dr - systemd can use unit files rather than fstab for mounting stuff during boot"

L1195[17:48:06] <smbarbour> Basically... fstab is legacy. systemd.mount is where systemd-based systems normally put it. You can still use fstab as well

L1196[17:48:31] <fry> systemd eats everything :P

L1197[17:48:38] <Cazzar> ohwait

L1198[17:48:40] <Cazzar> -.mount loaded active mounted /

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L1200[17:49:26] <Cazzar> It just surprised me, especially when I was looking at adding a new automount of my windows partition

L1201[17:50:12] <smbarbour> systemd nearly caused rioting in the *nix communities when it was first introduced.

L1202[17:50:41] <Cazzar> I know

L1203[17:51:20] <Cazzar> I don't mind systemd, though just going to work out how I could add a new mount via systemd nw.

L1204[17:51:22] <Cazzar> now*

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L1206[17:52:37] <fry> "nearly"? :P

L1207[17:53:14] <Cazzar> also, interesting... "Mounts listed in /etc/fstab will be converted into native units dynamically at boot"

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L1214[18:05:35] <Cazzar> so fry any idea with my initial issue

L1215[18:05:38] <Cazzar> 1?*

L1216[18:06:58] <fry> not really, I'm not that experienced with arch

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L1218[18:15:32] <Digitalsabre> Really, if jaded wants to paint the site black and purple, I don't mind. If nobody else wants it, I do. Just put custom .htdocs to filter my IP and send custom CSS. xD

L1219[18:18:39] <Cazzar> Well, that's an interesting feature of ntfs-3g

L1220[18:18:56] <Cazzar> ntfs-3g.usermapping

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L1222[18:32:10] <Arctic_Wolfy> Help? http://imgur.com/a/Bb6pk Image one is what is supose to be happening, Image two is a few seconds later and not working right.

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L1224[18:38:50] <Arctic_Wolfy> Hello?

L1225[18:39:00] <Cazzar> People might make some time...

L1226[18:39:10] <fry> You say goodbye, and I say hello

L1227[18:39:16] <Arctic_Wolfy> Hmm?

L1228[18:40:24] <fry> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH3PdDZZuA

L1229[18:40:41] <Arctic_Wolfy> I need help with my problem...

L1230[18:40:43] <Cazzar> I'm assuming the issue is the time Arctic_Wolfy?

L1231[18:41:00] <Arctic_Wolfy> Yes.

L1232[18:41:04] <tterrag> Dan_Yeomans: I assume you found that renderWithIcon was my own method

L1233[18:41:54] <Cazzar> Then I am no help.

L1234[18:42:01] <Dan_Yeomans> yeah lol

L1235[18:42:06] <Dan_Yeomans> don't worry i figured it out

L1236[18:42:12] <tterrag> I tried to tell you earlier but I think you had timed out

L1237[18:42:22] <Arctic_Wolfy> I can show code...

L1238[18:42:23] <Dan_Yeomans> my hex chat likes to crash basically all the time

L1239[18:42:53] <Cazzar> Arctic_Wolfy: I havn't worked with enchantmets, so hence why I am no help.

L1240[18:43:18] <Arctic_Wolfy> I'm working with potions, not enchantments.

L1241[18:44:21] <Cazzar> yeah, mind isn't going straight

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L1243[18:44:41] <Cazzar> esp when my lecturer is going on about risk analysis

L1244[18:45:25] <Arctic_Wolfy> I wonder what would happen if I don't let it the potions run out... Before refreshing them.

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L1254[19:02:43] <Ri5ux> Gun lockers anyone? http://i.imgur.com/NFEZzjf.png

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L1257[19:08:11] <Arctic_Wolfy> Why does night vision even strobe when it is almost done?

L1258[19:08:38] <unascribed> as a warning?

L1259[19:10:18] <Arctic_Wolfy> Maybe... But It means I can't do what I want how I want w/o adding a siesure warning...

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L1267[19:25:24] <Chamimnya> Hi, I'm running into an issue with the Vegan Option mod where when joining a server, the client is kicked off with "A fatal error has occurred, this connection has been terminated" with the following outputted in fml-client-latest: http://pastebin.com/rsYNxRyH

L1268[19:25:57] <Chamimnya> The oddity is that the issue only happens when I run the server on my linux VPS or a shared minecraft host, when in singleplayer or hosting on windows, this is nonexistent

L1269[19:26:55] <Chamimnya> I have spoken to the mod author and even he is stumped on the issue, so perhaps one of you might understand..

L1270[19:29:17] <Chamimnya> This is on 1.7.10 forge 1448 by the way

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L1280[19:42:43] <Chamimnya> To those who have joined since I posted, I'm running into an issue with the Vegan Option mod where when joining a server, the client is kicked off with "A fatal error has occurred, this connection has been terminated" with the following outputted in fml-client-latest: http://pastebin.com/rsYNxRyH - however when running singleplayer or running the server in windows, the bug is nonexistent. Any ideas?

L1281[19:43:21] <ltp> idek but I'm switching to Arch linux and then Steam OS later when it finalizes

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L1283[19:49:31] <ltp> Guys, I'm permanently switching to Arch linux :D

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L1285[19:56:18] <gigaherz> ltp: temporarily, you mean

L1286[19:56:23] <gigaherz> since you want to switch to steamOS ;P

L1287[19:56:40] <ltp> no, I changed my mind

L1288[19:56:44] <ltp> Arch

L1289[19:56:52] <gigaherz> so no steamos?

L1290[19:57:18] <ltp> nope

L1291[19:57:35] <ltp> customization > steamos

L1292[19:58:06] <gigaherz> heh

L1293[19:58:16] <gigaherz> I'm sticking to win10 for now ;P

L1294[19:58:36] <fry> you poor soul

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L1302[20:16:52] <luacs1998> http://git.io/vC0Lb

L1303[20:16:55] <luacs1998> oops

L1304[20:17:01] <luacs1998> http://puu.sh/kH4GH/6972ec1a81.JPG

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L1308[20:22:33] <Ri5ux> Sure hoping that's photoshopped

L1309[20:22:51] <Ri5ux> (The whole book)

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L1314[20:27:28] <luacs1998> it's not

L1315[20:27:30] <luacs1998> sadly

L1316[20:27:40] <luacs1998> cmon, if you want to teach kids to code

L1317[20:27:44] <luacs1998> teach computercraft

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L1320[20:29:13] <Illyohs> JavaScript really? they really have PhD's

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L1322[20:30:34] <UWagons> It's on the front page on /r/minecraft AFAIK

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L1324[20:35:17] <UWagons> Correction, /r/feedthebeast: https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/3oehd7/so_sadly_this_exists_and_in_paper_and_its_wrong/

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L1326[20:40:26] <UWagons> Anyone else feel kinda burned out on modded minecraft?

L1327[20:45:03] <gigaherz> sortof

L1328[20:45:16] <gigaherz> not specifically modded

L1329[20:45:21] <gigaherz> but the current set of major mods

L1330[20:45:35] <gigaherz> there's some new ones that I want to try someday

L1331[20:45:40] <gigaherz> but like

L1332[20:45:48] <gigaherz> thaumcraft, botania, witchery

L1333[20:45:57] <gigaherz> TE, enderio, ...

L1334[20:46:09] <gigaherz> I ahve made use of them in quite a few saves

L1335[20:46:24] <UWagons> AE2, tinkers, rftools...

L1336[20:46:35] <gigaherz> yeah hence the ...

L1337[20:46:41] <gigaherz> although tinker's is just nice

L1338[20:47:02] <gigaherz> I don't consider it a "chore" like progressing on other mods

L1339[20:47:03] <UWagons> yeah tinker's not too big that it gets boring

L1340[20:47:15] <gigaherz> it'sj ust there for you when you need it

L1341[20:47:33] <gigaherz> RFTools, I have used it almost exclusively for the environment controller thingy

L1342[20:47:37] <gigaherz> that acts like a beacon

L1343[20:47:48] <gigaherz> (xcept 100x more flexible ;P)

L1344[20:48:01] <UWagons> oh yeah

L1345[20:48:04] <UWagons> it's great

L1346[20:48:12] <gigaherz> I have never done dimensions with it

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L1348[20:49:03] <gigaherz> a few months ago, I did a save with ancient warfare

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L1350[20:49:32] <gigaherz> and next time I have some proper free time, I want to do something built around immersive engineering

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L1352[20:49:47] <UWagons> the excavator is really cool

L1353[20:50:09] <UWagons> It's like a chunk-specific mining laser

L1354[20:50:23] <UWagons> But it doesn't require you to murder farm animals

L1355[20:50:32] <gigaherz> lol

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L1358[20:55:01] <gigaherz> but yeah, there's some mods that I have done so many times, I don't enjoy them anymore

L1359[20:55:08] <gigaherz> it's just "ugh I haveto progress up to X again"

L1360[20:55:29] <gigaherz> in that sense, yes, I'm burned out, but only those specific mods

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L1367[21:05:00] <gigaherz> so Iw as looking through the newest mods at curse

L1368[21:05:02] <gigaherz> this one looks fun

L1369[21:05:03] <gigaherz> http://www.curse.com/mc-mods/minecraft/236827-chatfuel

L1370[21:07:04] <UWagons> That's weird

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L1373[21:11:08] <UWagons> I tried doing another playthrough of Factorio but with Bob's mods and DyTech, but for some reason I just couldn't get into it.

L1374[21:16:32] <gigaherz> factorio never seemed interesting enough to me

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L1376[21:17:31] <UWagons> Have you watched Zisteau's LP of Factorio?

L1377[21:18:18] <UWagons> Direwolf did an LP with Soaryn but I don't know if they finished it

L1378[21:20:44] <gigaherz> nah I don't watch them

L1379[21:21:11] <gigaherz> I watch mostly yogscast and hermitcraft

L1380[21:21:30] <gigaherz> (gaming-related, that is)

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L1382[21:23:42] * gigaherz jumps into bed

L1383[21:23:43] <gigaherz> night

L1384[21:23:48] <UWagons> O/

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L1387[21:37:53] <Necr0> why is World.scheduleBlockUpdate empty?

L1388[21:39:36] <Chamimnya> Just updating on my previous issue with the fluid registry: it's a bug with Forge 1448, updating to 1490 fixed it. https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge/issues/1973

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L1404[22:49:13] <sham1> I'd so not want to wake up

L1405[22:49:45] <williewillus> I'm setting up a new 1.8 fg2 project, build 1450, and setupDecompWorkspace fails with FNFE on trying to find "merged_at.cfg"

L1406[22:49:52] <williewillus> any known issues?

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L1408[22:52:59] <williewillus> nvm, works on latest build

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L1412[23:05:04] <williewillus> idea now hangs importing the gradle file wat

L1413[23:05:49] <sham1> It's normal

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L1415[23:06:06] <williewillus> i don't remember for this long 0.o though I guess I just cleancached

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L1417[23:10:55] <Caitlyn> Ok.. I'm confused. I have a TagList stored in my ItemStack, stack.getTagCompound().hasKey("pages") returns true, but getTagList("pages", Constants.NBT.TAG_COMPOUND).tagCount() is 0

L1418[23:11:10] <Caitlyn> I'm looking at my item in an NBT editor though, and I see both of my entries.

L1419[23:11:21] <williewillus> what kind of tags does that list hold?

L1420[23:11:27] <Caitlyn> String

L1421[23:11:48] <williewillus> yeah the second param of getTagList is the component type of the list

L1422[23:11:52] <Caitlyn> I've tried NBT.TAG_STRING too

L1423[23:12:01] <williewillus> it should be Tag string

L1424[23:12:20] <Caitlyn> -_- Of course, it works now that I've asked for help

L1425[23:12:44] * Caitlyn sighs

L1426[23:12:45] <Caitlyn> Thanks.

L1427[23:12:51] <Caitlyn> No idea wtf was wrong.

L1428[23:13:27] <Caitlyn> I'd tried TAG_STRING, TAG_COMPOUND, TAG_LISt.. lol

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