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L13[03:12:07] <xxcoder> ;mission

L14[03:12:07] <LunchBot> You install Kontakt-1 as heat shield. It is used for nefarious purposes.

L15[03:12:16] <xxcoder> muhahaha I guess...

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L47[09:34:31] <sandbox> !mission

L48[09:34:31] <LunchBot> You quadruple check your staging before the flight just in case. A non binary Kerbal invents decimal.

L49[09:35:55] <Pinkbeast> !outcome add The Kerbal Accident Investigation board recommends afterwards that all boosters be clearly marked THIS WAY UP.

L50[09:35:55] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The Kerbal Accident Investigation board recommends afterwards that all boosters be clearly marked THIS WAY UP.

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L53[10:56:34] <Mat2ch> It really looks like the outpost has to be made of different launches

L54[10:56:49] <Mat2ch> So I will dock those parts in orbit on Kerbin and redock them on Dres.

L55[11:25:09] <darsie> Mat2ch: What's the mission?

L56[12:02:54] <Mat2ch> Start building an outpost on Dres

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L63[12:05:04] <Deddly> !mission

L64[12:05:04] <LunchBot> You organize a face-off between the Kraken and Bagger 288. You would have been able to avoid disaster, but the context menu was obscured by the nav ball and you couldn't reach the button to turn on your engine.

L65[12:05:32] <Althego> hehe bagger 288

L66[12:06:32] <Deddly> I think the kraken just becomes stronger the larger it's foe is

L67[12:10:53] <FLHerne> also the number of moving parts

L68[12:11:07] <FLHerne> particularly claw-like elements

L69[12:11:27] <FLHerne> and flex

L70[12:11:39] <Althego> i have to listen to the song now

L71[12:11:42] <FLHerne> I don't think Bagger 288 will come off well here

L72[12:11:44] <darsie> Balloons are large. Claws would work well against them.

L73[12:12:54] <darsie> I used to believe Kraken are real cephalopods.

L74[12:17:01] <Deddly> Honestly, a lot of deep sea creatures are more fascinating and/or terrifying than legendary ones

L75[12:18:51] <darsie> Oh yeah, these Humboldt squids are terrifying. They even come in large schools.

L76[12:20:29] <Deddly> Why the Humboldt, specifically?

L77[12:21:19] <darsie> They have a reputation for aggression toward humans, although this behavior may only occur during feeding times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldt_squid

L78[12:21:36] <darsie> And they're large.

L79[12:22:07] <darsie> Humboldt squid typically reach a mantle length of 1.5 m (4 ft 11 in), making the species the largest member of its family.

L80[12:22:51] <Althego> big but not too big

L81[12:23:03] <darsie> They can grab people and pull them down with rocket propulsion.

L82[12:23:37] <darsie> If you don't wear armor they can rip flesh out of their prey with their beaks.

L83[12:23:45] <Althego> there is a giant octopus which is bigger

L84[12:23:51] <Althego> not necessarily heavier

L85[12:24:42] <sandbox> that's a peculiar title for one of those sections "Relationship to humans"

L86[12:29:42] <Deddly> The Colossal Squid is larger, isn't it?

L87[12:31:45] <Deddly> <Googles>... Yes.

L88[12:32:25] <FLHerne> with that name one would hope so

L89[12:32:49] <Althego> now that is huge

L90[12:33:06] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_squid#/media/File:Calmarcolossal.jpg

L91[12:33:20] <Deddly> !outcome add Unexpectedly, a Colossal Squid appears from nowhere and defends you from the kraken.

L92[12:33:20] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Unexpectedly, a Colossal Squid appears from nowhere and defends you from the kraken.

L93[12:33:51] <Deddly> Althego, clearly fake. Start are not visible.

L94[12:33:56] <Deddly> Stars*

L95[12:37:36] <Deddly> !mission

L96[12:37:36] <LunchBot> You let the good times roll. You then notice the contract was already completed.

L97[12:37:47] <Deddly> Huh. Win?

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L99[13:52:42] <Deddly> !mission

L100[13:52:42] <LunchBot> Your slippers just aren't warm enough on this spaceship; so you turn up the furnace... completely forgetting that the furnace requires oxygen from the crew compartment. It almost works, you just need to refine your piloting skills a bit. After another 20 tries you're not so sure.

L101[13:53:46] <Deddly> F5 is useful against oxygen starvation, but there's no way I'm sacrificing toasty feet to do this mission properly.

L102[13:58:19] <darsie> Mat2ch: From the missions listed in your archive, can you see which missions make the complete set?

L103[14:02:25] <Mat2ch> Since I have no idea what the complete set is, I'd have to answer No

L104[14:05:10] <darsie> Well, you can't say for sure, but you might notice getting no more missions to Duna or so.

L105[14:06:21] <Mat2ch> well, I haven't gotten any Duna missions for a long time.

L106[14:06:24] <darsie> It might help not to go to other planets to figure this out.

L107[14:06:36] <Mat2ch> But I have finished the base building mission for Dres and got another one for Vall now.

L108[14:07:17] <Mat2ch> It is entirely possible that those missions only appear after you visited all planets and moons that can be visited and returned with a craft from there.

L109[14:07:40] <Mat2ch> But I have to admit that the current order is weired. Why Dres and then Vall?

L110[14:07:45] <darsie> Or have you observed multiple equal/similar missions on the same body?

L111[14:08:23] <darsie> Dres is closer, right?

L112[14:08:51] <darsie> also randomness

L113[14:09:07] <Mat2ch> yes, it's almost always flyby. then return, orbit, then return, land, place a flag, dock two vessels, return from the surface to Kerbin

L114[14:09:37] <darsie> Transfer crew with EVA

L115[14:09:39] <Mat2ch> sometimes it's bit mixed together, like land, place a flag and return to Kerbin

L116[14:09:58] <Mat2ch> oh, yes, sometimes it's transfer crew stuff as well.

L117[14:10:10] <darsie> build bases

L118[14:10:12] <Mat2ch> The outpost missions are entirely new to me.

L119[14:11:24] <darsie> Are there world first missions requiring a base on wheels?

L120[14:16:05] <Mat2ch> No, it looks like it accepts anything that docks together at the surface.

L121[14:16:13] <Mat2ch> Not sure if you are allowed to land on a docking port

L122[14:16:30] <Mat2ch> parts have to be from separate launches though, but can be landed together and then docked.

L123[14:16:47] <Mat2ch> That's what I did. I stacked two base parts, landed one and then landed the other.

L124[14:17:15] <Mat2ch> And then docked them. (One had wheels. But you could get away with a robotic arm and a claw...)

L125[14:24:17] <FLHerne> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSP_rnGgV7M just forward of the funnel in the last ten seconds or so

L126[14:25:59] <FLHerne> that was a great trip besides the two narrowly-avoided severe injuries

L127[14:27:37] <Mat2ch> I wanted to say: I see no hat. But yes, there is a hat in the end. ;)

L128[14:28:16] <FLHerne> it kept trying to blow over the side, I must get a chinstrap before doing that again

L129[14:33:25] <FLHerne> https://photos.app.goo.gl/mEYYcWL91ntowXo57

L130[14:33:52] <Deddly> Tourist missions need to be tweaked. I always find it annoying that I've just managed to get a probe or something simple to Duna and then I'm suddenly inundated with tourists wanting a round trip. Like, I was bringing tourists to LKO, sure, but that's quite a step, and now nobody wants LKO anymore so I lost my source of income.

L131[14:35:04] <FLHerne> Are you playing with some mods that increase the challenge?

L132[14:35:15] <Deddly> No

L133[14:35:27] <Deddly> Pure stock

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L135[14:36:18] <FLHerne> I've never found money to be an issue in stock, always more than enough funds to build whatever's practical with the available tech

L136[14:36:25] <FLHerne> except maybe building upgrades

L137[14:36:26] <Deddly> SSTO tourist planes are a hobby of mine, so the game recognises that I want tourist missions. But I quickly learned to never visit any other places if I wanted to continue doing that

L138[14:36:58] <FLHerne> but I tend to postpone those (other than tracking centre because bleh) because it's more fun being a bit limited in what can be built

L139[14:37:36] <Deddly> It's not so much so that money is a problem, it's just that I was having fun with tourists. Also SSTO development is expensive when you play with no reverts.

L140[14:38:13] <FLHerne> no reverts sounds 'fun'

L141[14:38:18] <Deddly> I often play spaceplane only games

L142[14:38:25] <FLHerne> I can see the appeal

L143[14:38:47] <FLHerne> but it seems hostage to stupid physics problems, especially landing planes

L144[14:38:50] <Deddly> It is fun to have an actual need to design redundancy into your crafts

L145[14:39:11] <Deddly> I will always allow reverts for bugs

L146[14:39:53] <Deddly> A bug causing deaths of my only pilots is something I'll revert for.

L147[14:40:22] <Deddly> But for my next game I will consider actually turning off reverts for the added fear factor. I have never tried it

L148[14:40:27] <Althego> i am usually running around 15 mission in parallel, really no way to revert

L149[14:40:40] <Deddly> I do have crew respawns turned off

L150[14:41:03] <Althego> those i do, i isially have to experiment in the beginning with a design, and since there is no simulation mode, i use it for that

L151[14:41:28] <Althego> i always found it annoying that you can clearly see the wind tunnel building, yet you cant experiment without flying

L152[14:42:06] <Deddly> Yeah lots of people do that. I get a kick out of designing functioning designs with zero "simulations"

L153[14:42:29] <Deddly> Yeah they did actually have a wind tunnel in development

L154[14:43:02] <Deddly> #Bring back the barn! Also the wind tunnel. Also resources.

L155[14:43:26] <Pinkbeast> I s'pose there's always Kerbal Construction Time

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L157[14:49:32] <darsie> .tell Deddly I could tell you about an alternative source of income, but I don't want to spoil it to you.

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L162[15:31:30] <Judge_Dedd> Darsie, World Firsts? Mort?

L163[15:32:18] <Judge_Dedd> Mining fuel on the launch pad?

L164[15:32:41] <darsie> Find asteroids with high inclination. Takes a while to find good ones, but they pay millions.

L165[15:33:17] <darsie> Wait 7 days for new contracts.

L166[15:33:47] <darsie> You need IR cameras.

L167[15:38:48] <Judge_Dedd> Nice

L168[15:40:20] <darsie> I have so much money idk what to do with it.

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L183[18:44:31] <Judge_Dedd> First world problems.

L184[19:09:18] <raptop> !mission

L185[19:09:19] <LunchBot> You attempt to make a rocket using sausage for propellant. On the upside, your body is able to be faxed to the morgue.

L186[19:09:38] <raptop> That is not how a sausage catastrophe is supposed to work

L187[19:09:56] <xxcoder> lol

L188[19:10:01] <xxcoder> ;mission

L189[19:10:01] <LunchBot> You forget to install FAR. Fortunately, all the gray-suits were lost.

L190[19:10:35] <raptop> Lot of plane crashes, I guess

L191[19:10:42] <xxcoder> yep

L192[19:19:52] <raptop> !choose purple pigeons|gray mice

L193[19:19:52] <LunchBot> purple pigeons

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L195[19:24:36] <Althego> catch the pigeon

L196[19:43:53] <Mat2ch> Another mission, another outpost. This time on Moho. I have a feeling that these missions have an increasing difficulty

L197[19:50:35] <Althego> the game is learning

L198[19:50:43] <Althego> you accept outpost missions you will get outpost missions

L199[20:08:40] <sandbox> !mission

L200[20:08:40] <LunchBot> The missing intermediate steps burst out of the darkness and rob you of your lunch-money in a dark alleyway. There is a long silence.

L201[20:10:14] <Mat2ch> Althego: those are the "official" missions...

L202[20:16:50] <raptop> If I knew which mods do a good job of offering additional missions/variety, I'd suggest them

L203[20:27:14] <Mat2ch> well, I want to "finish" the "official" ones. I wonder if it is possible at all

L204[20:32:54] <raptop> In as much as there are ones with a progression, yes. I'd have to check the game files to see which ones can be

L205[20:33:28] <Althego> finish him! kerbal kombat!

L206[20:49:12] <Mat2ch> raptop: they are not in the game files, but hardcoded into the game!

L207[20:49:59] <raptop> blarg

L208[20:52:43] <Mat2ch> yeah, they wanted to hide something. I wonder what it is ;)

L209[20:52:55] <Mat2ch> and yes, I could cheat my way to the end...

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