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L27[08:50:44] <darsie> Mat2ch: I'm fetching a Tylo surface sample. Wanna see the rocket?
L28[08:51:56] <Mat2ch> yeah, show me!
L29[08:52:18] <Mat2ch> It's probably some well engineered small vehicle, because you take the time to do things properly :)
L30[08:52:30] <Mat2ch> I just add more boosters *g*
L31[08:58:33] <darsie> Mat2ch: https://0x0.st/XYtF.png#Tylo-sample-return
L32[08:59:23] <darsie> It would have been smaller had I not made this for you. Like a command seat in a fairing instead of a capsule with heat shield.
L33[09:01:55] <darsie> Note the baguettes in the Nerv interstage and the docking port and on the last stage. I land with a poodle, get back to orbit with a terrier, then dock to the part left in orbit to refuel for the trip back.
L34[09:04:34] <Mat2ch> I thought about a two stage approach, too. But I don't litter around on planets (except Eve ;)
L35[09:04:58] <Mat2ch> I will try to land something which can refuel on the ground.
L36[09:05:36] <Mat2ch> Thanks to Pinkbeast and the mining station planner this will be great :D
L37[09:08:56] <darsie> Haven't heard that before (I don't litter around on planets) :).
L38[09:10:34] <Mat2ch> Don't give too much on it, just a joke :)
L39[09:10:49] <Mat2ch> My autism kicks in, when I'm doing these missions. I like clean stuff :D
L40[09:12:10] <darsie> Well, it can become a bit disorienting on the map.
L41[09:13:30] <darsie> I find interpreting the dv map tricky on the way back.
L42[09:13:33] <packbart> hrm. I could make a new design of the Roid Raider. still, capturing an asteroid into a suitable orbit for a refuel base takes a lot of fuel, too
L43[09:14:04] <packbart> it was gud enough for 2018. https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/ksprr2.jpg
L44[09:14:59] <darsie> Where's the engine?
L45[09:15:42] <packbart> not on this one. it was a multi-vehicle mission. this is only the fuel spike and another tanker took the fuel to a station
L46[09:15:48] <packbart> horribly inefficient
L47[09:17:11] <packbart> but it could strip asteroids in hours if the fuel tankers could keep up
L48[09:20:05] <Mat2ch> through the mining station planner I learnt that you can use just RTGs as energy source...
L49[09:22:04] <packbart> the problem with this design was that it overheated over time. slow enough, though
L50[09:22:31] <packbart> and a fuel tanker would cart of much of that heat
L51[09:22:40] <packbart> *off
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L55[09:25:05] <Mat2ch> packbart: https://ksp-visual-calculator.blaarkies.com/mining-station-planner
L56[09:25:17] <Mat2ch> includes calculation what kind of cooling you need.
L57[09:25:20] <Mat2ch> Very handy to have
L58[09:25:37] <packbart> yeah, I didn't know about it before. handy
L59[09:34:02] <Mat2ch> I will still test it, before deploying...
L60[09:34:12] <packbart> hrm. I can't make the calculator use fuel cell arrays.
L61[09:35:07] <packbart> it could do with a way to export the values into the URL, so I could pass it around :) or did I miss the option?
L62[09:35:54] <Mat2ch> you can add the fuel cell array as part.
L63[09:36:08] <packbart> trying to figure out what I was thinking. 4 drills, 10 converters, 66 fuel cell arrays
L64[09:36:28] <packbart> Mat2ch: I did. the power didn't change
L65[09:36:50] <Mat2ch> you have to activate the fuel cells on the left I think
L66[09:37:06] <packbart> ooh. d'oh! :)
L67[09:37:10] <packbart> thanks
L68[09:38:00] <packbart> ah high level engineer-in-a-can was vital to the plan, I remember
L69[09:38:01] <Mat2ch> just 2.4 kW of heat to get rid off.
L70[09:38:45] <Mat2ch> yeah, the higher the engineer, the better the overall ore processing gets, because less is wasted in the fuel cells.
L71[09:39:00] <packbart> and they delete heat
L72[09:39:05] <Mat2ch> That was my mistake, when I did my Vall miner.
L73[09:39:14] <Mat2ch> fuel cells delete heat?
L74[09:39:32] <packbart> no, engineers. I think. but the calculator doesn't reflect that
L75[09:40:06] <Mat2ch> Interesting. Never tried to delete heat by Engineers :D
L76[09:41:03] <packbart> I may be remembering it wrong, though
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L79[11:37:14] <Althego> leet time
L80[11:45:29] <sandbox> !mission
L81[11:45:29] <LunchBot> You spam meow. You end up preventing the obliteration of Kerbin by a neutrino burst.
L82[11:48:09] <Mat2ch> Was this because of the spaming or because you distracted the cats?
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L85[12:17:12] <KrazyKrl> ;outcome add It's not a warcrime the first time.
L86[12:17:12] <LunchBot> Added outcome: It's not a warcrime the first time.
L87[12:18:28] <sandbox> war crime is two words
L88[12:39:31] <KrazyKrl> ;outcome FiXuP s/warcrime/war crime/
L89[12:39:31] <LunchBot> No outcome found matching "FiXuP s/warcrime/war crime/".
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L93[14:11:04] <Mat2ch> To run my miner at full capacity with a 4 star engineer I'd need 64 RTGs...
L94[14:13:38] <darsie> 64 RTGs it is
L95[14:16:41] <Mat2ch> Four fuel cells ;)
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L113[18:06:57] <sandbox> !mission
L114[18:06:58] <LunchBot> You ship random pairs of Kerbals. To Duna. You somehow end up in Dilbert space.
L115[18:10:05] <Althego> hehe not hilbert but dilbert
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L118[18:17:13] <Mat2ch> uh, Dilbert space. What a bad place to end up
L119[18:20:49] <Althego> as i heard the creator of the dilbert comics destroyed his own life by being totally weird
L120[18:21:35] <Althego> .outcome add The crash site becomes so famous Merrywweather writes a comic about it.
L121[18:21:35] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The crash site becomes so famous Merrywweather writes a comic about it.
L122[18:21:44] <Althego> eh typo
L123[18:22:01] <Althego> outcome fixup s/Merrywweather/Merryweather/
L124[18:22:04] <Althego> .outcome fixup s/Merrywweather/Merryweather/
L125[18:22:04] <LunchBot> New text is: The crash site becomes so famous Merryweather writes a comic about it.
L126[19:18:23] <sandbox> !mission
L127[19:18:23] <LunchBot> You hire Michael Bay to be your Flight Director. What does that mean, Bob? Where the cows been?
L128[19:24:55] <Althego> cows ran away because of the explosons
L129[19:25:08] <Althego> hehe exploson, sounds like a dark matter candidate
L130[19:33:16] <KrazyKrl> assume an infinite grid of zero mass dimensionless 1ohm cows in a vacuum that is perfectly lit with a laminar 10 kph wind with zero relative humidity at unixtime 0
L131[19:35:44] <KrazyKrl> oh, and they are perfectly spherical.
L132[19:51:20] <xxcoder> ;mission
L133[19:51:20] <LunchBot> You refrigerate the equations to kill more stowaways. Your space program is considered a hoax.
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L139[20:42:23] <raptop> That pair fits surprisingly well
L140[21:14:37] <xxcoder> yeah
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L144[22:03:28] <darsie> Oops, I think I found why my Tylo rocket had too little dv. I used a LF/Ox tank for the Nerv.
L145[22:03:38] <darsie> The other is just LF.
L146[22:07:07] <darsie> 1496 m/s in LTO. I need 1660 to return.
L147[22:08:04] <darsie> Well, well, well ... There's a BadS in this rocket ... :)
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L150[22:08:45] <darsie> With 600 m/s on his back :).
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