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L1[00:29:01] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm in this
plane rabbit hole again...
L2[00:29:09] <Eddi|zuHause> and every change
makes it worse...
L3[01:01:55] <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: With
or without FAR?
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L5[01:18:38] <Eddi|zuHause> with FAR
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L8[01:41:18] <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: An
obvious place to go is lighter wings (easier to break, but in the
extreme case, on an SST equatorial O, who's even going around any
corners?)
L9[02:11:18] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not trying
to reach orbit. i'm trying to fly a plane. particularly, one that
can do high altitude atmosphere scans at various places
L10[02:12:12] <Eddi|zuHause> also, i've
paused that project for now, doing other stuff
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L12[03:48:13] <Pinkbeast> Eddi|zuHause: Ah,
unfortunate - but in a FAR world you do have a lot of scope to use
lighter wings, even if the case I described was extreme.
L13[04:10:29] <Eddi|zuHause> successfully
landed a probe on the northern ice cap from a suborbital
rocket
L14[04:11:40] <Eddi|zuHause> that also
cleared some of the high altitude atmosphere scans
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L19[04:58:07] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L20[04:58:08] <LunchBot> You park your
capture craft around Minmus. You forgot to make weird noises so you
just didn't make it.
L21[05:00:04] <XXCoder> aww
L22[05:00:13] <XXCoder> noises make things
go
L23[05:00:35] <XXCoder> ;mission
L24[05:00:36] <LunchBot> Leeroy Kerman
begins their coronal injection burn. Oh no! There's too much power
- it's unstable!
L25[05:00:50] <XXCoder> oh no!
L26[05:01:10] <XXCoder> do we have leeroy
vats?
L27[05:02:23] <Althego> lol leeroy
kerman
L28[05:02:28] <XXCoder> yeah
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L50[12:57:44] <sandbox> I had a dream that
I was on a plane while watching a rocket launch
L51[13:54:34] <Mat2ch> Sounds like a nice
dream
L52[14:26:31] <raptop> But was the rocket
launched from the plane?
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L54[15:09:24] <sandbox> no
L55[15:11:36] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L56[15:11:36] <LunchBot> You try
reticulating KSP's splines. You accidentally discover that putting
a prism in your tea does not produce any new flavors.
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L60[15:59:12] <Eddi|zuHause> how long
before mun impact should i cancel my horizontal speed?
L61[16:04:55] <Eddi|zuHause> this is going
to be horrible...
L62[16:05:37] <Althego> you only need to
have that right before touchdown
L63[16:06:20] <Althego> however if you are
targeting a specific point, you probably want to stop when you are
near it
L64[16:40:49] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause: One
way to do it is go to an e.g. 10 km orbit and burn retrograde till
your speed is 0. How deep you dropped is how high you should start
your landing burn.
L65[16:43:35] <darsie> You can also do a
deorbit burn and use KER to see when you should start a suicide
burn.
L66[16:43:52] <darsie> It's not totally
accurate.
L67[16:45:04] <darsie> High acceleration is
more efficient, but at the cost of a heavier engine.
L68[16:45:49] <darsie> 2-5 TWR is ok
L69[17:08:17] <Eddi|zuHause> i should have
plenty of TWR, what i lack is manoeverability... and i don't have a
lot of monopropellant left
L70[17:16:30] <darsie> Does your engine
gimbal?
L71[17:17:56] <darsie> Then you can use RCS
to turn retrograde an then use your engine to hold retrograde while
you can turn RCS off.
L72[17:23:42] <Eddi|zuHause> the key point
will be that moment after burning retrograde and turning the
landing legs down
L73[17:26:12] <Althego> hehe, yes do not
point them up
L75[17:27:35] <Mat2ch> (And if you are
wondering what happend: The can opener bridge opened a truck!
)
L77[17:27:55] <Althego> finally
L78[17:27:59] <Althego> it has been more
than a year
L79[17:29:05] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause: I you
activate retrograde hold, your rocket will turn down during your
deorbit/landing burn. Don't forget to switch from orbital to ground
speed if that doesn't happen automatically.
L80[17:29:30] <darsie> If*
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L82[17:58:43] <Eddi|zuHause> nope, that
wasn't a landing
L83[18:00:15] <darsie> You can also
throttle your engine very low instead of turning it off for
attitude control.
L84[18:00:39] <darsie> like, if you
discover you slowed down too much.
L85[18:02:03] <Eddi|zuHause> that was a
landing, but it's sliding downhill at 0.4m/s and doesn't let me
save
L86[18:02:52] <Althego> try not landing on
a slope
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L88[18:30:41] <darsie> If you start your
deorbit burn 1 s earlier/later, you come done 580ish m
shorter/farther.
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L92[20:14:06] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm probably
not good enough to go jetpack hopping on the mun over longer
distances...
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L94[20:31:32] <Mat2ch> The do short hops
:)
L95[20:52:42] <Eddi|zuHause> i made a
mistake... i disconnected my return craft, and didn't check it had
any electric charge left for steering
L96[21:03:40] <Eddi|zuHause> it's ok, these
wimpy tourists surely won't mind 1 day without power, in the
coldness of space :p
L97[21:05:56] <raptop> Better get them some
sunlight and BBQ roll, I guess
L98[21:16:16] <Mat2ch> Nah, they can
cuddle.
L99[21:16:25] <Mat2ch> Good for
teambuilding
L100[21:16:40] <Mat2ch> also the reentry
will not be as hot then
L101[21:34:30] <Eddi|zuHause> so, i should
have brought a nuclear power generator to the mun base
L102[21:35:11] <Eddi|zuHause> but that was
too heavy
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L105[22:44:47] <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly
does it mean when it says "the station must be fully assembled
when launched"?
L106[23:16:03] <raptop> AIUI, that the
station as launched must have all the features for the contract. No
bolting on parts or in-orbit assembly afterwards
L107[23:18:25] <Eddi|zuHause> i have a
contract for a "station" around the mun, and an
"unmanned probe" around the mun, and wondering if i could
launch them both in one mission
L108[23:28:14] <raptop> unsure
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L110[23:48:41] <Eddi|zuHause> high-G
adventure, better with plane or suborbital rocket?
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