L1[00:04:09] <Eddi|zuHause> so my height record was 16,5km. not quite enough

L2[00:09:56] <Eddi|zuHause> now, finding a place to land instead...

L4[00:30:54] <Eddi|zuHause> so... the two cockpits stayed intact, the wheels, wings, tail and front fell off :p

L5[00:31:54] <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and all my science equipment is also still there

L6[00:32:07] <Eddi|zuHause> so i might be able to get stuff from the landing site :p

L8[01:06:49] <Eddi|zuHause> is it cheating to put a 10% scale rover wheel on a satellite just to fulfill a "test this part on an escape trajectory" contract?

L17[03:36:05] <Eddi|zuHause> this new Mk2 plane is even worse than the last one...

L28[05:03:31] <Eddi|zuHause> this wasn't really a landing, but at least the mk2 hull isn't quite as wimpy when hitting water

L45[09:14:44] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: pics or never happend!

L46[09:15:46] <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: if it flies level at 15km it'll easily reach 18km in a zoom climb

L47[09:16:28] <FLHerne> build up speed at a lower altitude where it works well, then pitch smoothly up into a steep climb to trade horizontal for vertical velocity

L48[09:16:46] <FLHerne> you can fly a nice parabola through the contract location

L49[09:18:36] <FLHerne> it's quite a fun challenge going after the ~18km ones using only the very first round of aircraft parts :p

L51[09:23:54] <Mat2ch> I used to add a booster stage to those planes :P

L52[09:24:08] <Mat2ch> But these missions are time consuming and have low rewards.

L53[09:24:12] <Mat2ch> so I stopped doing them

L57[09:37:55] <Judge_DedD> !nextlunch

L58[09:37:56] <LunchBot> Tacobell.

L61[10:02:32] <Judge_DedD> !mission

L62[10:02:33] <LunchBot> You find one of HarvesteR's ancient posts on a forgotten forum. They're beginning to learn...

L63[10:08:32] <Judge_DedD> True story. It was fun reading the original KSP thread on the Orbiter forum

L64[10:08:57] <Judge_DedD> Fun fact: HarvestR loved wobbly rockets

L65[10:09:33] <Judge_DedD> He originally purposed to keep them floppy

L66[10:10:00] <Judge_DedD> Fun fact 2: Original goal of KSP was to see how high you could get with a sounding rocket

L67[10:10:34] <Judge_DedD> Fun fact 3: Original plan was to build the rocket from the bottom upwards

L68[10:11:21] <Judge_DedD> (Sounding rocket was the wrong term. I meant suborbital)

L69[10:12:21] <Mat2ch> Explains a lot of things.

L70[10:12:37] <Mat2ch> But it's somehow deranged :P

L71[10:17:06] <Judge_DedD> It's clear from that old thread that KSP became much, much more than originally intended.

L72[10:20:41] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: I started out adding a rocket stage, then thought "this is ugly" and decided to do it with only jets

L73[10:21:35] <FLHerne> "time consuming and low rewards" is moot to me, it's a game

L74[10:21:43] <FLHerne> consuming time is the whole point :p

L75[10:22:07] <FLHerne> (which tbh is why I don't play many games anymore: there are better things to do with one's time)

L76[10:22:42] <Mat2ch> but it has to be rewarding in some way and if it's tedious I'd rather go clean my bathroom :D

L77[10:49:28] <Judge_DedD> What are you doing with jets, FLHerne?

L78[10:51:16] <Mat2ch> .oO( cooking dinner. Yes, I show myself out. :P )

L79[10:51:34] <Judge_DedD> That's the Kerbal way

L80[10:56:40] <FLHerne> Judge_DedD: early-career 15-20km altitude surveys

L81[10:57:08] <Judge_DedD> Oh cool. Yeah I always use jets for things like that too

L82[10:57:39] <FLHerne> doing it with Wheesleys is a bit challenging

L83[10:57:45] <FLHerne> can be done though

L84[10:57:47] <Judge_DedD> It is indeed.

L85[10:58:04] <FLHerne> (this was in the context of Eddi|zuHause wanting to build a plane for doing such surveys)

L86[10:58:15] <Judge_DedD> Ah I see.

L87[10:59:41] <Judge_DedD> It's been a while since I tried it, but planes with those engines won't normally sustain that kind of altitude, will they? If I recall correctly, I would build up speed and then go nearly vertical

L88[11:00:02] <FLHerne> yes, that's what I said :p

L89[11:00:41] <Judge_DedD> Consensus!

L90[11:01:28] <Judge_DedD> You're doing the internet wrong, FLHerne. You're supposed to disagree vehemently and bring up a strawman argument or insult my family.

L91[11:08:30] <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: i could probably have tried flying better parabolas, but the plane had problems doing turns, so it was annoying to try again aiming up in the correct moment.

L92[11:11:08] <Eddi|zuHause> and the mk2 plane was "worse" in the sense that it had trouble staying straight ahead and tended to swing left or right and start tumbling. not sure where that came from

L93[11:12:17] <Eddi|zuHause> i used to be able to build planes that could fly stable without SAS

L94[11:16:27] <FLHerne> I found Mk2 parts are always worse, tbh

L95[11:16:41] <FLHerne> the only thing they're good at is being nigh indestructible

L96[11:17:11] <FLHerne> need centre of drag a bit further aft

L97[11:17:34] <FLHerne> remember CoM tends to shift aft in planes during flight because the engines are heavy

L98[11:17:57] <FLHerne> so even if it's stable at takeoff it can become unstable after burning some fuel

L99[11:24:18] <Eddi|zuHause> i checked full/empty fuel tanks this time, and also set tank priorities

L100[11:25:53] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, why are there no wing tanks?

L101[11:37:00] <darsie> 1337

L102[11:41:46] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L103[11:41:46] <LunchBot> You play Simon says with crew on your craft. You find a large base in the shape of a swastika. You're surprised to find Hinduism this far out!

L104[13:36:47] <Judge_DedD> Is that an Iron Sky reference?

L105[13:37:10] <Althego> hehe hinduism

L106[13:37:46] <Judge_DedD> There is truly a Hindu swastika

L107[13:37:56] <Althego> yes i know

L108[13:59:58] <Eddi|zuHause> why would people use iron sky, which to 100% consists only of references, as a source for "references"?

L109[14:00:48] <Eddi|zuHause> that's like galaxy quest's "historical documents"

L110[14:01:42] <Althego> hehe

L113[14:23:29] <Eddi|zuHause> how do i use a "VTOL" engine correctly?

L114[14:24:23] <Althego> to be honest it is easier to fly a real helicopter than a vtol craft in ksp

L115[14:24:52] <Althego> i almost always fail with vtol

L116[14:25:32] <Althego> if i turned off the computer help in the control which was fighting me all the time, i could position a chunky ch53 wherever i wanted

L118[14:34:24] <Eddi|zuHause> it needs to be carefully throttled with the CoM in mind, and the game doesn't really do that

L120[15:23:27] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L121[15:23:28] <LunchBot> You try explaining Isp to third-graders. Suddenly, time travel has been invented about 276 years in your future. A feedback loop radically alters your past and present.

L122[15:25:21] <Althego> nobody would notice it. since everything would be in that way since forever

L123[15:25:25] <Eddi|zuHause> apparently that was the moment where they thought things went wrong

L124[15:40:42] <darsie> Isp is basically exhaust velocity turned into a unit everyone understands.

L125[15:42:26] <Althego> or rather a unit that hold absolutely no intuitive understanding

L126[15:42:37] <darsie> mhm

L127[16:32:28] <Eddi|zuHause> maybe they thought that was my "gets rejected from art school" moment.

L128[16:46:14] <sandbox> um, is Steam being weird or is it just me? ...

L129[16:47:04] <sandbox> what's the last option in Notification Settings?

L131[16:50:14] <Guest42204> w

L133[16:52:11] <sandbox> it shows #SteamNotificationTypeDesc_23 for me

L134[16:52:52] <sandbox> it's supposed to be "I receive an invite to steam family"

L135[16:58:35] <Eddi|zuHause> it says that correctly for me

L136[17:00:01] <Eddi|zuHause> so, this contract sent me to a 9000km orbit with a survey scanner, but at that height you can't run a survey

L137[17:01:07] <Althego> hehe

L138[17:01:13] <Althego> randomly generate

L139[17:01:14] <Althego> d

L141[17:04:05] <Eddi|zuHause> and i tried sending my sentinel to an escape trajectory, instead i found a mun encounter

L143[17:04:40] <Eddi|zuHause> that's probably helping?

L144[17:06:17] <Eddi|zuHause> also, whatever amount of battery storage i put on a satellite, it's never enough

L145[17:11:23] <Mat2ch> to send data?

L146[17:13:15] <Pinkbeast> There's at least one mod that trickles data at a rate suitable for the available power

L147[17:15:08] <Eddi|zuHause> you can set an option on the antenna to allow partial transmission

L148[17:27:18] <sandbox> oh that was the wrong message

L149[17:27:41] <sandbox> I don't think it's the same on Linux

L150[17:27:47] <Althego> wrong lever!

L151[17:28:59] <sandbox> click the bell to the left of your account name > View all notifications > Settings > then scroll to the bottom

L152[17:29:25] <sandbox> top right, not the other one

L153[17:30:06] <sandbox> Steam's a mess these days anyway

L160[19:14:51] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm having a difficult time understanding the eva construction mode... if i select a small part, i can put it in an inventory, manipulate it, place it somewhere else. if i select a part in the middle it says i cannot manipulate it. so far so good, but now i got a "large" part at the end, and i can't do anything with it, but it also doesn't show an error.

L162[19:56:22] <packbart> maybe too heavy? I seem to remember that you can bring out more engineers

L163[19:56:29] <packbart> or was that KISKAS?

L164[19:58:01] <packbart> hm. maybe not in space. the wiki only mentions surface gravity

L165[20:03:39] <Eddi|zuHause> it says unlimited in the very bottom

L171[23:35:33] <Pinkbeast> packbart: That's KISKAS

L172[23:38:13] <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can also get multiple kerbals to "help" with the stock feature, just it's only necessary on planets.

L173[23:39:28] <XXCoder> more serious take on previous link by me https://hackaday.com/2024/04/25/the-myth-of-propellantless-space-propulsion-refuses-to-die/

L174[23:39:28] <Eddi|zuHause> and i got 4 mun contracts, that i probably shouldn't do all at once...

L175[23:39:43] <XXCoder> looks like its still in untested and likely faked realms