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L7[02:41:59] <Eddi|zuHause> !outcome add The
tourists are being wimpy about their g-forces.
L8[02:42:00] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The
tourists are being wimpy about their g-forces.
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L22[07:08:26] <Deddly> !nextlunch
L23[07:08:26] <LunchBot> Peanut butter +
banana + honey sandwich.
L24[07:08:33] <Deddly> Yuck
L25[07:16:37] <XXCoder> !nextlunch
L27[07:16:57] <XXCoder> cant even ee
inside
L28[07:18:53] <Althego> hehe
L29[07:31:02] <XXCoder> voyager 1 is alive
again
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L31[08:09:38] <Deddly> That's great to
hear
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L33[08:22:07] <Mat2ch> dnsmcbr: I prefer a
good forum above any other social media...
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L49[13:26:32] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L50[13:26:32] <LunchBot> Jeb uses his
headlights to accelerate to two c. Say what you like about the
alien killer crabs, but by God they can organise an invasion! We
have a lot to learn from them - though we'd better be quick!
L51[13:27:17] <Eddi|zuHause> that's
mission/outcome backwards again.
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L53[14:01:45] <Eddi|zuHause> so, i started
the game again, and turns out i have a million tourists that want
to land on the mun...
L54[14:02:20] <Althego> easy money
L55[14:02:50] <Althego> you can also
collect science too
L56[14:03:18] <darsie> Easiest money is
waiting for a high value asteroid search contract.
L57[14:03:29] <Eddi|zuHause> but now i have
to design a mun lander with high occupancy.
L58[14:03:45] <darsie> They go up to 10 M
or so.
L59[14:05:17] <Eddi|zuHause> how does this
stock inventory work nowadays, can i give a scientist a thermometer
in the inventory and he can go around taking measurements?
L60[14:05:41] <Eddi|zuHause> or should i
build a rover for the "measure at different locations"
contracts.
L61[14:05:54] <darsie> rovers are
slow
L62[14:06:12] <darsie> and dangerous
L63[14:06:20] <darsie> or unreliable
L64[14:07:15] <Eddi|zuHause> i need to test
a plane landing gear on suborbital trajectory on the mun
L65[14:07:39] <Althego> just take it with
yourself
L66[14:07:50] <Althego> while landing or
taking off you can do that
L67[14:09:16] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause:
Someone used a plane landing gear for lithobraking, so it's a
reasonable contract ;).
L68[14:09:17] <Eddi|zuHause> the small
retractable landing gear doesn't come with a motor, right?
L69[14:10:32] <Eddi|zuHause> but back to
the original question, can a scientist take measurements with a
thermometer in his hand?
L70[14:11:24] <darsie> I don't think so.
You can try on the launch pad.
L71[14:20:08] <Eddi|zuHause> putting a
heatshield on halves my return-dV
L72[14:26:25] <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i can't
figure out how to use inventory items
L73[14:27:21] <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: it
doesn't
L74[14:27:39] <FLHerne> I've built rovers
with it though, just need a little horizontal rocket engine
:p
L75[14:29:43] <Eddi|zuHause> it would be
great hovering over a tourist in crew assignment to see where they
want to go
L76[14:34:56] <Eddi|zuHause> i really don't
want to do precise rocket-hopping to take the measurements at
specific locations
L77[14:35:53] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: What
is your problem with inventory items?
L78[14:43:22] <Eddi|zuHause> i can put them
there, but i don't know what to do with them.
L79[14:53:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i think i need
to use the KIS inventory for what i try to do....
L80[14:55:37] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that
seems to work, i can place it, and return it into inventory from
there...
L81[15:38:14] <Eddi|zuHause> 5800 dv is
probably cutting it close for a mun landing and return?
L82[15:40:34] <Mat2ch> with launch
vehicle?
L83[15:40:51] <Eddi|zuHause> from launch
pad, yes
L84[15:41:28] <Mat2ch> very very very
close.
L85[15:41:43] <Mat2ch> 3300 + 860 + 310 +
580. That's just for landing.
L86[15:42:18] <Mat2ch> So 5050 just for
getting there.
L87[15:42:41] <Mat2ch> It could be enough
if you get a very efficient launch and landing
L88[15:48:57] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i need
to find a place for more fuel.
L89[15:50:10] <Eddi|zuHause> next
question... where do i put the landing gear...
L90[15:53:19] <Mat2ch> Do you have crew on
board?
L91[15:53:31] <Mat2ch> Because on return
you can drop everything you don't need anymore.
L92[15:53:38] <Mat2ch> Batteries, solar
panels, landing gear :D
L93[15:55:18] <Eddi|zuHause> yes. i already
have all the science stuff behind a decoupler
L94[15:56:28] <Eddi|zuHause> but that's an
awkward place for putting the landing gear
L95[16:05:35] <Eddi|zuHause> something
tells me this is all going horribly wrong
L96[16:17:31] <Eddi|zuHause> and there my
science instruments break off during ascent :p
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L98[16:28:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i read
something about a setting that resets (stock) inventory to default
every time. where is that?
L99[16:30:35] <Eddi|zuHause> and i will
never understand how to make a rocket not flip on launch...
L100[16:52:31] <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this
ascent profile might have been slightly too low...
L101[17:33:53] <Mat2ch> uh, switch on SAS,
launch the rocket, when on 100 m/s tilt slightly over, let SAS do
the rest. Correct only slightly and not too much, don't go over the
green prograde marker in the navball
L102[17:34:12] <Mat2ch> try to be at at
least 20° or even far below when going over 10 km
L103[17:34:21] <Mat2ch> reduce thrust if
necessary
L104[17:34:26] <Mat2ch> and if that
doesn't help: Add fins.
L105[17:35:23] <Mat2ch> (to the back of
the rocket! :P )
L106[17:59:48] <Eddi|zuHause> i
tweak-scaled my fins, now it works
L107[18:00:07] <Eddi|zuHause> i still
might be too short on dv, though
L108[18:00:26] <Eddi|zuHause> and i need
to get the angle right to land at the location i want...
L109[18:05:02] <Mat2ch> remember: Last
minute burns are much more efficient.
L110[18:05:10] <Mat2ch> more like last
second burns. ;)
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L113[18:28:38] <Eddi|zuHause> that
"last second" burn might need a higher TWR :p
L114[18:30:16] <Mat2ch> oh. :D
L115[18:30:57] <Pinkbeast> Simply build
the rocket upside down, then it can't flip
L116[18:44:11] <Deddly> Big brain
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L119[19:34:43] <Eddi|zuHause> so... this
landing didn't work :p
L120[19:40:37] <XXCoder> lol reminds me of
that upside down rocket to umm dune?
L121[19:40:56] <XXCoder> return rocket was
required to be upside down also
L122[19:43:24] <XXCoder> cant find it
sadly
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L126[20:40:07] <Eddi|zuHause>
!mission
L127[20:40:08] <LunchBot> Lacking better
power options, you cover your rocket in Z-400 batteries. You have
somehow proven the existence of birds.
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L129[20:54:51] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno what's
up with crew assignment... i carefully select tourists for the
mission, and if you blink it reset to the original
L130[21:08:13] <Eddi|zuHause> also, cursed
rocket equation! adding more fuel doesn't actually add much more
dv
L131[21:09:16] <Mat2ch> If you add fuel,
try adding it to the top stage ;)
L132[21:09:37] <Mat2ch> or to the middle
one and then add boosters to the main stage.
L133[21:10:11] <raptop> Distribute fuel so
that stages with higher Isp have equal or larger mass ratios than
stages with lower Isp
L134[21:10:42] <raptop> Unfun fact:
optimizing for Δv like this often leaves you with stages with
unsufficient TWR to complete the mission
L135[21:18:50] <Eddi|zuHause> i have added
a middle stage
L136[21:18:59] <Eddi|zuHause> but that
adds another heavy engine
L137[21:19:15] <Mat2ch> are you limited by
size or money?
L138[21:19:54] <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm
not exactly swimming in money, but it should have a comfortabile
margin, and only parts limit, which i'm not close
L139[21:20:19] <Mat2ch> Usually for a Mun
mission I do three stages.
L140[21:20:47] <Mat2ch> One lift stage,
which gets me almost into orbit, one transfer stage to get me into
orbit and to Mun and then the landing and return stage.
L141[21:21:17] <Mat2ch> for Mun return, if
done correctly, you don't even need a heat shield and if you bring
one, you can put the slider waaaayyyyy down (and save weight)
L142[21:22:08] <Eddi|zuHause> i returned
from mun orbit without heatshield already. then i tried one but the
slider makes little difference. so i left it out again
L143[21:29:48] <Althego> an electron and a
falcon 9 launch is coming up soon, in like 30 and 45 minutes, but i
need to sleep
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L146[22:22:47] <Eddi|zuHause>
!mission
L147[22:22:47] <LunchBot> You crack open a
goo can. You revert to Lunch.
L148[22:22:56] <Eddi|zuHause> yummy
L149[22:23:06] <raptop> mmm
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L152[23:36:29] <Eddi|zuHause> landing
attempt #2