L20[09:10:27] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L21[09:10:27] <LunchBot> You build a Dyson Sphere around Kerbol. You are pulled over by the Physics police.

L22[09:10:54] <XXCoder> hmm wonder what law you broke

L23[09:10:58] <Eddi|zuHause> "sir, do you have a building permit?"

L24[09:20:11] <XXCoder> lol

L25[09:20:14] <XXCoder> ;mission

L26[09:20:14] <LunchBot> Inspired by a Greg Egan story, you go Planck diving. This results in- Wouldn't you like to know, weather boy?

L27[09:20:27] <XXCoder> well I wont know now I guess

L34[11:58:32] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LSyizrk8-0

L37[13:12:26] <Eddi|zuHause> the last time the answer to that question was "you get a blurry image"

L43[13:34:44] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: It's still almost the same answer.

L45[14:08:29] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L46[14:08:29] <LunchBot> You spam meow. You're not sure why you expected there to be any survivors.

L47[14:08:48] <Eddi|zuHause> meow.

L49[14:14:40] <Mat2ch> Don't argue with the cat overlords.

L50[14:17:30] <Eddi|zuHause> but the space kitty litter...

L51[14:26:00] <umaxtu> the dust could be a problem

L52[14:26:55] <Mat2ch> and all the hair in the electronics

L54[15:04:55] <raptop> meow

L55[16:22:01] <sandbox> I'm still annoyed about the latest windows update changing the spelling of program

L56[16:22:19] <sandbox> I hope somebody gets fired for that one

L60[17:35:56] <Eddi|zuHause> changed from what to what, and where?

L61[17:36:36] <Eddi|zuHause> explain it to a person who doesn't have windows, and even if they had, they don't have it in english

L62[17:37:08] <Althego> did they change it to app? :)

L63[17:37:16] <Althego> dont trust any os that has apps :)

L64[17:42:32] <SporkWitch> sandbox: what happened? lol

L65[17:44:01] <SporkWitch> Althego: Windows has had "apps" for a while now, via Windows Store. Lots pre-installed, some can't be removed easily, and it also has a habit of installing things randomly by MSFT (lots of shovelware games have a habit of reappearing after removing, despite having never manually installed them)

L66[17:44:30] <SporkWitch> there are even locked down versions of Windows that ONLY allow installs via the Windows Store, total walled garden like iOS

L67[17:44:55] <Althego> must be the wet dream of all ocmapnies

L68[17:45:01] <Althego> valled garden with subscription

L69[17:45:10] <Althego> you will own nothing and you will like it

L70[17:45:16] <Althego> this is the future we already live in

L71[17:45:30] <SporkWitch> why do you think SaaS and cloud are pushed so hard? "You will own nothing and you will be happy" - The WEF, literally

L72[17:48:09] <SporkWitch> is it the 14th yet?!

L73[17:49:25] <Althego> no

L74[17:49:33] <SporkWitch> how about now?

L75[17:49:38] <Althego> what happens then?

L76[17:49:44] <SporkWitch> For Science!

L77[17:49:52] <Althego> supposedly vulcan launch on the 24th

L78[17:50:20] <SporkWitch> sorry, 19th, not 14th

L79[17:50:44] <SporkWitch> https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/954850/view/3723971545021868881?l=english

L80[17:52:11] <SporkWitch> they also posted a new devchat showing off the tech tree and some of the science parts

L81[17:54:31] <Althego> still rockets before wheels?

L82[17:56:05] <SporkWitch> didn't notice, but it _is_ a space-focused game. Also still capsules before probes. They explain their reasoning in the dev chat and I can't really dispute it. Less realistic, but fits the goals of education, being an informal self-paced tutorial, and getting that emotional investment that only kerbals provide.

L83[17:56:28] <sandbox> they changed it in Settings>Apps & Features>Help from the web...

L84[17:56:48] <SporkWitch> hasn't it said "apps and features" for quite a few years now?

L85[17:59:41] <sandbox> from "Find Apps and Programs installed in Windows" to "Finding App or Programme installed in Windows"

L86[17:59:41] <sandbox> and "Repair apps and programs" to "Repairing appas and programmes"

L87[18:00:17] <sandbox> apps*

L88[18:00:25] <SporkWitch> did you switch it to a commonwealth english system locale? Because programme is correct spelling in commonwealth english

L90[18:00:35] <SporkWitch> it's only American English that went through the Great Vowel Purge

L91[18:01:04] <sandbox> it's always been Program for all computer terms

L92[18:01:27] <Althego> probably only in the usa

L93[18:02:08] <Althego> but since most computer things originated from there program is probably the common form

L94[18:02:08] <sandbox> I think they also changed Windows Insider Program to Programme, but that one is technically correct

L95[18:02:44] <SporkWitch> slightly suspect source, as they have a lot of politicized language suggestions / "corrections" in their product, but this appears accurate and aligns with how most stuff ends up working out, thanks to the US being THE dominant play in the early development of the digital computer. https://www.grammarly.com/blog/program-programme/

L97[18:03:07] <sandbox> whoever changed it probably saw the other ones and changed them too

L98[18:03:21] <SporkWitch> but yeah, basically programme is correct in commonwealth countries, especially the UK itself, tough in computer contexts the American spelling is apparently more common.

L99[18:03:27] <SporkWitch> Which makes sense

L100[18:03:45] <SporkWitch> s/tough/though/

L101[18:07:41] <sandbox> I wish I knew where they store the text strings

L102[18:08:33] <sandbox> I could uninstall the update, but meh

L103[18:11:46] <sandbox> the settings and control panel screens are such a mess of inconsistencies these days

L104[18:12:12] <Althego> yes all the way back from what, xp times?

L105[18:12:15] <Althego> or even older?

L106[18:13:26] <SporkWitch> I think it was 8 that introduced the "modern" settings window and started trying to phase out the actual Control Panel, but because it's terrible and much worse than Control Panel, they've not been able to fully remove the Control Panel.

L107[18:13:57] <sandbox> yeah

L108[18:14:27] <SporkWitch> Basically, they were seeing the success of Apple's walled garden and wanted to lock windows down more and dumb it down (hence Windows S-Mode, the restricted mode I mentioned earlier)

L109[18:14:34] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51_AFhkndgI

L110[18:14:45] <SporkWitch> luckily even windows users aren't stupid enough to give up THAT much control

L111[18:16:13] <SporkWitch> unrelated, this is apparently real... lol https://www.pcmag.com/news/microsoft-revives-windows-xp-background-as-an-ugly-holiday-sweater

L112[18:16:32] <SporkWitch> (cute redhead in the pic, though lol)

L113[18:18:39] <sandbox> "UK English wasn't selectable for some reason"

L115[18:24:58] <sandbox> as I was saying, the settings screens are awful

L116[18:26:27] <sandbox> you can have different languages for Region, Language, and Speech

L117[18:26:56] <sandbox> and it's all spread around instead of being the same place

L118[18:27:43] <sandbox> I am never going to speak to my computer

L119[18:31:11] <sandbox> Language can have a different language for "Windows display", "Apps and websites", "Regional format", "Keyboard", and "Speech"

L120[18:31:45] <sandbox> and you can bet that at least one of them will be wrong

L123[18:48:58] <sandbox> near the end of that Matt Lowne video he said something that I had to rewind and turn on the subtitles for because I knew it would almost certainly get it wrong...

L125[18:49:43] <sandbox> "but still we waited with baited breath"

L126[18:49:55] <sandbox> I knew it would get the wrong bated

L131[20:27:08] <Eddi|zuHause> just set everything to de_DE like normal people

L132[20:39:01] <Pinkbeast> Nein

L133[20:40:12] <Pinkbeast> sandbox: There's also a secret underlying language the install is actually "in" - when we did Win11 upgrades at the old work we had to have an en_UK stick and an en_US stick because that was easier than the little dance that changes the underlying setting over

L134[20:53:33] <sandbox> secret language

L135[21:03:57] <Eddi|zuHause> you mean like pig-latin? :p

L136[21:04:21] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L137[21:04:21] <LunchBot> You experiment with the Coke/Mentos propellant combination. Val shakes her head as she stops reading "KSC's Slightly Deadly Mishaps, Year 1, Month 3, Volume 4, Part 2"

L138[21:06:09] <Izzy> for extra confusion of program/programme: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Computer_Programme

L140[21:59:53] <Pinkbeast> I remember that