L8[01:56:30] <sandbox> !mission

L9[01:56:31] <LunchBot> Kmath can't be bothered to find you a mission. GreeningGalaxy zaps you with her laser.

L11[02:30:43] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L12[02:30:43] <LunchBot> You frost Wernher's 1000-hour tenure cake with ammonium nitrate. You live to witness man-made horrors within your comprehension.

L13[02:31:15] <Eddi|zuHause> the wrath of wernher?

L16[03:41:13] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yFJHhHDPA4

L17[03:41:35] <Mat2ch> If I learnt one thing from Scott Manley it was: If your engine dies, push the nose down.

L18[03:42:00] <Althego> except when the flight envelope protection doesnt let you do it :)

L19[03:42:15] <Mat2ch> at around 1 minute is the interesting part

L20[03:42:53] <Mat2ch> so that system rather lets you stall and fall back to earth and die?

L21[03:43:08] <Althego> yes exactly :)

L22[03:43:11] <Althego> and yes it happened

L23[03:44:11] <Althego> although i think it was maybe in the reverse direction

L24[03:44:24] <Althego> didnt let the pilot pull up so they hit the trees

L25[03:44:51] <Mat2ch> great...

L26[03:45:05] <Mat2ch> I bet there's a way to shut it down

L27[03:46:13] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296Q

L28[03:49:50] <Althego> it seems you cant completely disable it in airbus

L29[03:50:09] <Althego> it has a fallback alternate mode in degraded operation

L30[03:50:12] <Mat2ch> the text says it was a pilot error, not the computer. But it's disputed somehow

L31[03:50:28] <Mat2ch> degraded as in: Someone pulled the breaker. :D

L32[03:50:49] <Althego> on the other hand in most cases the computer helps you to stay in the safe zone

L33[03:51:07] <Althego> part of the fly by wire, i doubt you can disable it without losing controls

L34[03:59:14] <Pinkbeast> Having read the relevant bits of the accident report it doesn't seem clear _anything_ was going to stop them hitting the trees at that juncture

L35[03:59:46] <Althego> i remember in one of those air crash series it wasexplained that because they were close to stall they couldnt pull up

L36[04:00:16] <Althego> obviously they shouldnt have been that low in that situation

L47[05:24:40] <sandbox> !mission

L48[05:24:40] <LunchBot> You switch the safeties off for an experiment. It is used by nefarious porpoises.

L51[05:33:27] <Mat2ch> !mission

L52[05:33:28] <LunchBot> You switch to an x64 version of KSP. You set your maneuver node wrong and smash into the ground again.

L53[05:33:54] <Mat2ch> It's all the architecture and not my mistake!

L55[05:37:09] <sandbox> 1337

L56[05:39:22] <darsie> .

L57[05:40:17] <KrazyKrl> ;outcome add It's the worst day of your life so far... again.

L59[05:40:18] <LunchBot> Added outcome: It's the worst day of your life so far... again.

L60[05:43:28] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add You cut out all the intermediate steps, and only have landings. That's what happens when you measure once and cut your stringers twice.

L61[05:43:29] <LunchBot> Added mission: You cut out all the intermediate steps, and only have landings. That's what happens when you measure once and cut your stringers twice.

L62[05:43:40] <KrazyKrl> ha, stairway pun.

L68[07:04:12] <Eddi|zuHause> what's a "stringer" in this context?

L69[07:04:30] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L70[07:04:30] <LunchBot> You modify your flight computer to run LISP. GreeningGalaxy spends the next hour talking about what she did with KSPI.

L71[07:05:29] <Eddi|zuHause> people always have to 1UP each other it seems :p

L74[08:07:23] <darsie> In the context of construction or carpentry, "stringers" refer to structural components used in staircases, decks, and other similar structures. Stringers are essentially long, inclined beams that provide support for a series of steps or treads. They are responsible for carrying the load of the steps and the weight of the people using them, distributing this load to the underlying structure.

L75[08:07:23] <darsie> The saying "measure once and cut your stringers twice" is a humorous way of cautioning against making mistakes when building stairs, especially when cutting the stringers, as it can lead to problems like uneven steps or unstable staircases.

L77[08:08:57] <darsie> .mission add Jeb uses his headlights to accelerate to two c.

L78[08:08:57] <LunchBot> Added mission: Jeb uses his headlights to accelerate to two c.

L79[08:08:59] <Eddi|zuHause> so, the beams that the individual stairs get mounted on

L80[08:09:40] <darsie> Apparantely. ChatGPT said it.

L82[08:10:14] <Eddi|zuHause> it apparently missed the joke that it's meant to be "measure twice cut once" :p

L83[08:11:29] <darsie> Let's break down the saying:

L84[08:11:29] <darsie> "Measure once": This part of the saying emphasizes the importance of precise measurements before starting the construction of the stairs. Accurate measurements ensure that the stairs will fit properly and be safe to use.

L85[08:11:29] <darsie> "Cut your stringers twice": Cutting the stringers refers to the process of shaping these structural components to the correct dimensions and angles. The saying suggests that if you don't measure accurately the first time and make a mistake when cutting the stringers, you may have to redo the cutting (cut them twice) to correct the error.

L86[08:11:29] <darsie> The saying highlights the fact that mistakes in measuring and cutting stringers can be costly and time-consuming to rectify. It serves as a reminder to carpenters and builders to take great care in their initial measurements and calculations when constructing stairs or similar structures to avoid problems later in the construction process.

L88[08:39:47] <packbart> as the other saying goes "Cut twice and it's still too short"

L92[09:33:14] <KrazyKrl> The original saying is "measure twice, cut once.".

L95[10:35:47] <Eddi|zuHause> that's the thing with the current iteration of "AI", it will lie you into the face with the utmost confidence.

L96[10:36:10] <Eddi|zuHause> it has no sense of factual correctness

L97[10:36:30] <Eddi|zuHause> it's just a string of words that sounds plausible

L99[10:37:02] <Althego> hehe the future version will do the same knowlingly :)

L101[10:43:47] <Eddi|zuHause> !outcome add The AI lied to you.

L102[10:43:47] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The AI lied to you.

L103[10:47:07] <Mat2ch> It did not! It isn't allowed to!

L104[10:58:29] <Eddi|zuHause> that's lawmaker thinking. if something is made illegal, that will certainly stop it from happening.

L105[10:58:59] <Althego> lol

L106[11:00:53] <Eddi|zuHause> it already happened with encryption. it wasn't possible to mathematically prove the encryption to be safe, so it was declared safe by law.

L107[11:01:16] <Althego> fsvo safe

L108[11:01:26] <Althego> probably meant secure

L109[11:01:55] <packbart> Eddi|zuHause: except for Australia ;)

L110[11:02:28] <packbart> ( “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” said Turnbull )

L111[11:05:47] <darsie> How many digits is pi in Australia?

L112[11:06:47] <packbart> .oO( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill )

L115[11:53:31] <FLHerne> .stupid add "The bill's language and topic occasioned confusion among the membership; a member from Bloomington proposed that it be referred to the Finance Committee, but the Speaker accepted another member's recommendation to refer the bill to the Committee on Swamplands, where the bill could 'find a deserved grave'. It was transferred to the Committee on Education, which reported favorably."

L116[11:53:31] <LunchBot> Added quote: "The bill's language and topic occasioned confusion among the membership; a member from Bloomington proposed that it be referred to the Finance Committee, but the Speaker accepted another member's recommendation to refer the bill to the Committee on Swamplands, where the bill could 'find a deserved grave'. It was transferred to the Committee on Education, which reported favorably."

L117[12:19:41] <Eddi|zuHause> Althego: easy mistake, if the word's meaning isn't divided like that in the native language

L122[13:12:09] <sandbox> !mission

L123[13:12:09] <LunchBot> You dance till the Kraken comes. The Dunan curse kicks in and summons the Kraken.

L124[13:12:32] <sandbox> :)

L125[13:12:38] <Althego> hehe

L127[13:12:48] <Althego> didnt say how long it took

L128[13:15:50] <Pinkbeast> 40 atmospheres is the default part pressure limit, right?

L129[13:21:27] <packbart> Computer says yes. or 400m below the surface

L135[13:42:18] <Mat2ch> !mission

L136[13:42:18] <LunchBot> You forget to check yo' staging. Luckily the asbestos isn't flammable.

L137[13:42:36] <Mat2ch> Man, I'm feeling lucky today.

L138[13:45:47] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission add You invent badger staging.

L139[13:45:47] <LunchBot> Added mission: You invent badger staging.

L140[13:53:13] <raptop> what does this imply for mushrooms and snakes?

L141[14:09:09] <Eddi|zuHause> i hope it's not muhroom clouds

L142[14:09:19] <Eddi|zuHause> *mushroom

L143[14:11:45] <sandbox> mushboom

L144[14:13:50] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L145[14:13:50] <LunchBot> You attempt to research the entire tech tree with a single launch. You find out the hard way that parachutes were not accounted for in the mission budget.

L146[14:14:09] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i've ever finished the tech tree

L147[14:32:14] <FLHerne> I know I haven't

L148[14:32:19] <FLHerne> got close

L152[14:37:37] <Mat2ch> I have several times, but always by science mining on Mun and Minmus.

L153[14:38:07] <Eddi|zuHause> i have an aversion of fast forward, i think...

L154[14:39:19] <Mat2ch> Fast Forward?

L155[14:39:36] <Mat2ch> you mean the time warp?

L156[14:39:43] <Eddi|zuHause> ye

L157[14:39:45] <Eddi|zuHause> s

L158[14:39:46] <Eddi|zuHause> whatever

L159[14:39:52] <raptop> Either that, or he's had some bad experiences with git workflow

L160[14:40:05] <Eddi|zuHause> it's called differently in every game

L161[14:40:30] <Mat2ch> hehe

L162[14:41:04] <Mat2ch> I hate it, too. But there's no other way to get to other planets in a reasonable timeframe without it.

L164[14:44:33] <Eddi|zuHause> i do use it, but there's always something to do every few days...

L165[14:44:44] <Eddi|zuHause> makes running a year-long mission hard

L166[14:46:44] <Mat2ch> true. That's why I always kept on doing one mission at a time

L167[14:47:33] <Pinkbeast> Kerbal Alarm Clock has been my friend for many years, notwithstanding a few oddities

L168[14:48:47] <Pinkbeast> (most obviously that while it will autocreate an alarm for a planned manuever and delete it if the maneuver is cancelled, it won't delete the alarm if the vessel is removed, meaning on Elcano-all-the-things I sometimes only found out when a scanner probe was due to arrive it didn't actually _exist_.)

L172[15:33:38] *** Server sets mode: +CLPTgnt

L175[16:32:57] <Izzy> the stock one does goofy stuff like that sometimes

L179[17:39:18] <Eddi|zuHause> last time i played i got very confused which one is the stock and which one the mod alarm clock. i think there was some weirdness between them

L180[17:39:31] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L181[17:39:31] <LunchBot> You repeatedly play Star Wars sound effects to Werhner Von Kerman's mynah bird. The metaphor breaks your spine.

L182[17:41:11] <Eddi|zuHause> did it use the force to do it?

L189[19:07:43] <Eddi|zuHause> !outcome add The time warp is cancelled.

L190[19:07:43] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The time warp is cancelled.

L196[20:07:54] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWL0BvwlD6Q

L197[20:08:12] <Althego> starlink, but there is no spcex stream anymore

L198[20:10:20] <Althego> this too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQB0kAFd5I

L199[20:20:07] <Izzy> so I've been speccing out all the modules of the class 3 reusable nuclear shuttle that NASA sketched out in the 70s(?)

L200[20:21:05] <Izzy> got a dry weight of 40212kg, wet weight of 163000kg, an unladen dV of 13km/s and with a 40t transhab module as payload, 8650m/s, by my calculations

L201[20:21:10] <Izzy> pretty cool to see it all come together :3

L202[20:23:49] <Althego> next launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76zt-6-fnRg