OCLogs: 2023-08-19.log

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L1[00:10:47] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L2[00:10:47] <LunchBot> You spend hours trying to think of a single KSP feat that hasn't already been done. The IRC server crashes.

L3[00:17:06] <XXCoder> wow irc got tired of you lol

L4[00:17:38] <XXCoder> ;mission

L5[00:17:39] <LunchBot> You go tidal-wave-surfing. Next thing you know, it's Apollo 18 and you're fighting space spiders!

L6[00:18:34] <XXCoder> tidal wave of timne

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L20[04:55:11] <darsie> 1355

L21[04:57:50] <sandbox> !mission

L22[04:57:50] <LunchBot> You use tweakscale. Bob is perturbed.

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L25[05:34:16] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add You get a slight hydraulic fluid injection injury.

L26[05:34:16] <LunchBot> Added mission: You get a slight hydraulic fluid injection injury.

L27[05:34:21] <KrazyKrl> ;mission

L28[05:34:21] <LunchBot> You decide to make a single wing plane. You thermalize your breakfast, losing most of its energy as waste heat.

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L30[07:09:10] <packbart> raptop: do gravity assists save significant amounts of dV in KSP or are they just more for show?

L31[07:09:57] <packbart> hm. https://krafpy.github.io/KSP-MGA-Planner/

L32[07:19:08] <darsie> packbart: They can propel you from the Mun to Minmus or eject you from Kerbin, but that's usually not worth it.

L33[07:19:57] <darsie> Some used gravity assists extensively to get around in the Jool system.

L34[07:20:28] <darsie> Ike loves to mess with spacecraft.

L35[07:26:11] <Mat2ch> Just as in real life you can save huge amounts of dV using gravity assists.

L36[07:26:32] <Mat2ch> But it's really hard to plan some of them and just as in real life it can take some time to get into the right location to make use of one.

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L41[07:43:42] <darsie> It's much easier to just add more boosters ;).

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L50[09:11:47] <raptop> packbart: They can save lots for some trajectories iff you know what you're doing

L51[09:12:23] <raptop> A lot of people will do things like a munar flyby and then at some point in interplanetary space plot an intercept with duna, though. Which is, er, counterproductive

L52[09:13:23] <raptop> The thought for a mission would be something like Mun -> Kerbin or Eve a time or two -> Jool

L53[09:13:59] <raptop> (There's this challenge for a craft that if you fly well should get you over 1.5 km/s in LKO. But the idea is to send it on Kerbol escape with a hyperbolic excess velocity of 15 km/s)

L54[09:15:24] <Mat2ch> darsie: the beauty of KSP. Just add more. :D

L55[09:20:18] <raptop> Still, that's an interesting planner

L56[09:24:04] <Mat2ch> Oh, it is

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L58[09:51:10] <sandbox> !mission

L59[09:51:10] <LunchBot> You attempt to attempt an attempted Jebediah-Kobold Maneuver. You match your target orbit, only to find that you're going in the wrong direction.

L60[09:52:02] <raptop> That sounds like a lot of KSP players

L61[09:56:31] <Mat2ch> You and me included.

L62[09:56:33] <Mat2ch> :D

L63[09:57:00] <raptop> heh

L64[09:57:33] <Mat2ch> There's no denying.

L65[10:11:39] <darsie> Yeah, been there. Kerbin orbit rescue/satellite ...

L66[10:20:39] <raptop> On an unrelated note, the Quake 2 remake seems good. Though admittedly Quake 2 is inherintly eh

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L74[12:48:57] <Mat2ch> well, looks like Luna-25 stays in orbit for a while longer.

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L82[14:45:39] <XXCoder> ;mission

L83[14:45:39] <LunchBot> Jeb goes on strike, claiming that every time he flies his mind is psychically controlled by giant beings from another universe. Bob mishears a callout as "LD go for lunch" and the flight is delayed.

L84[14:46:10] <XXCoder> poor jeb and bob have voices in head

L85[14:46:19] <raptop> That's probably missing an intermediate step or two, but nothing major

L86[14:46:25] <raptop> !8ball Should I eat today?

L87[14:46:25] <LunchBot> You serious? I just... I just told you that, a moment ago.

L88[14:46:42] <XXCoder> !lunch

L89[14:46:42] <LunchBot> Pâté and lettuce muffin.

L90[14:48:22] <raptop> uh

L91[14:49:03] <XXCoder> googled it. BLT muffins apparently exist

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L95[14:59:59] <FLHerne> raptop: it's a good lunch

L96[15:00:18] <FLHerne> pretty sure I'd just eaten that when I added it

L97[15:00:26] <FLHerne> oh, English muffin

L98[15:00:41] <FLHerne> the US definition would be quite strange

L99[15:01:20] <raptop> hm

L100[15:02:40] <raptop> !lunch burrito

L101[15:02:40] <LunchBot> Burrito bowl.

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L103[15:13:48] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L104[15:13:48] <LunchBot> You detect an unknown probe approaching Kerbin and send a mission to investigate. You prove yourself to be an omnicidal maniac.

L105[15:14:10] <raptop> Complete success!

L106[15:14:33] <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose i killed everyone, even the aliens potentially controlling the probe?

L107[15:15:23] <raptop> Presumably

L108[15:15:31] <raptop> Certainly, no one will complain about your actions!

L109[15:21:18] <XXCoder> yeah cant get bad reviews if theres no people to make reviews

L110[15:24:57] <Mat2ch> Oh great. It's 24° C outside. This would be a good thing around noon. But it's half past midnight.

L111[15:25:54] <Eddi|zuHause> i can tell you, it was warmer at noon :p

L112[15:26:41] <Mat2ch> I know. I was getting Brötchen then

L113[15:27:02] <Eddi|zuHause> my niece got enrolled in school

L114[15:27:03] <Mat2ch> Think of 30°, clouds, no wind.

L115[15:27:21] <Mat2ch> Today? Poor girl

L116[15:34:27] <FLHerne> aaqaqaa

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L118[15:36:44] <Mat2ch> How's weather on the canal? :)

L119[15:39:17] <Mat2ch> I guess the cat run over FLHerne's keyboard again.

L120[15:39:55] <Mat2ch> .oO( ran? )

L121[15:40:15] <Eddi|zuHause> as far as i can tell she had great fun driving a tram simulator for hours...

L122[15:41:59] <Mat2ch> My mind just thought: That could be foreboding although trams could all run by themselves in 15 years. My cynic side immediately added: Automation? In this country?

L123[15:43:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really see automated driving interacting well with pedestrians

L124[15:49:28] <Mat2ch> You could automate a lot there. Laser scanners, cameras, other sensors will make sure you don't drive over one.

L125[15:49:43] <Mat2ch> And most of the times people will make way. They do this now already

L126[15:50:32] <Mat2ch> Someone is playing Smells Like Teen Spirit really loud somewhere here

L127[15:50:46] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but if you try to make it 100% safe it may deadlock

L128[15:51:35] <Eddi|zuHause> and pedestrians have too many degrees of freedom to predict reliably

L129[15:52:18] <Eddi|zuHause> they might accelerate in any random direction really quickly

L130[15:52:21] <Mat2ch> Deadlocks can be unlocked by having a central operator drive it.

L131[15:52:46] <Mat2ch> a computer today can predict already if a person will step in the way of a car.

L132[15:53:06] <Mat2ch> like a driver would.

L133[15:53:19] <Mat2ch> But a driver can be distracted, the computer not.

L134[15:53:55] <Eddi|zuHause> that's what people are telling for over 5 years now, yet the development of self-driving cars kinda stalled

L135[15:54:03] <Mat2ch> The problem with automation isn't making the system 100 % perfect. It just has to be slightly better than a human driver, which is easy, when you're going on rails...

L136[15:54:34] <Mat2ch> Oh, self-driving cars is really hard. Some thought it would be easy. Mostly people from Silicon Valley.

L137[15:54:43] <Mat2ch> Too many degrees of freedom.

L138[15:55:02] <Mat2ch> Too many tasks.

L139[15:55:14] <Mat2ch> A train never has to "think" about finding a parking spot.

L140[15:56:21] <Mat2ch> Planes already fly mostly by autopilot. The landings are usually done by the pilot or co-pilot. Just to keep them trained. Because if all fails, they have to do it by hand.

L141[15:56:48] <Mat2ch> But on foggy weather when the pilot can't see the runway, even landing is done by the autopilot...

L142[15:56:49] <Eddi|zuHause> i tried driving a car with automated transmission about 2 or 3 times, and the worst moments were always when i was trying to find a parking spot

L143[15:57:15] <Mat2ch> Even finding a parking spot and doing the actual parking is a hard thing to do

L144[15:57:25] <Mat2ch> a good percantage of humans fail at this!

L145[15:57:28] <Eddi|zuHause> my brain was too occupied with that task, and then i tried hitting the clutch out of reflex... :p

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L148[15:58:23] <Mat2ch> hehe. I know the feeling when you step on the clutch and there is just... nothing.

L149[15:58:25] <Eddi|zuHause> ... of course it wasn't the clutch, it was the breaks :p

L150[15:59:02] <Mat2ch> Just because the break padels on some automatic vehicles are huge. Because someone overseas told people to drive automatic with two feets.

L151[16:00:17] <Mat2ch> I'm going to try and get some sleep now.

L152[16:00:35] <Eddi|zuHause> what's that?

L153[16:00:41] <Eddi|zuHause> can you eat that?

L154[16:00:49] <Mat2ch> I hope so.

L155[16:01:16] <Mat2ch> The weather report says on Thursday it should become more bearable.

L156[16:01:46] <Mat2ch> Just four days to survive.

L157[16:02:58] <Eddi|zuHause> remember to count the shadows.

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L166[17:59:11] <raptop> Technically the Deep Impact mission is the closest that any spacecraft has ever approached a comet

L167[18:04:20] <JVFoxy> impacting inside vs the one where they landed..

L168[18:04:35] <JVFoxy> so technically, 'closest to the core of a comet' maybe?

L169[18:04:47] <raptop> something like that

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L171[18:06:59] <JVFoxy> though I guess depending on size, could say 'on surface vs under surface' eh well

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L175[18:58:44] <raptop> er

L176[18:58:45] <raptop> !outcome add To be continued...

L177[18:58:46] <LunchBot> Added outcome: To be continued...

L178[18:58:56] <raptop> Not the worst outcome, but definitely an evil one

L179[19:00:21] <raptop> !outcome add You swiftly deal with the survivors.

L180[19:00:22] <LunchBot> Added outcome: You swiftly deal with the survivors.

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