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L8[02:53:59] <FLHerne> .outcome add This is
considered to be the toned-down and more humane option.
L9[02:53:59] <LunchBot> Added outcome: This
is considered to be the toned-down and more humane option.
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L14[04:35:52] <darsie> India's Flagship
Lunar Mission Chandrayaan 3: Will it Brake or Break?
L15[04:51:03] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission
L16[04:51:03] <LunchBot> You send Jeb to
astronaut school to learn more about safety procedures. You are on
the path to destruction.
L17[04:57:54] <sandbox> noted, don't teach
Jeb safety procedures
L18[05:18:42] <Eddi|zuHause>
ifheknowsthem,itseasierforhimtocircumventthem
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L22[05:29:31] <KrazyKrl> ;outcome add Your
teeth explode, emitting up to 12 unique packets of molarizing
radiation.
L23[05:29:31] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Your teeth explode, emitting up to 12 unique packets of molarizing
radiation.
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L25[05:44:43] <FLHerne> .outcome add All
the weird and complex problems you experienced turn out to have
been symptoms of one trivial configuration error.
L26[05:44:43] <LunchBot> Added outcome: All
the weird and complex problems you experienced turn out to have
been symptoms of one trivial configuration error.
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L30[05:52:18] <darsie> Kerbal Space Program
2 Steam CD Key €30.10
L31[05:52:43] <darsie> Do I get a key that
I somehow transfer to steam and get a regular steam game?
L32[05:52:48] <darsie> on CD?
L33[05:53:11] <darsie> or does the key come
on a CD and I ship the CD to steam?
L34[05:54:38] <darsie> Why is steam doing
that?
L35[05:55:13] <KrazyKrl> CDKey is just an
ancient thing where the game would be on an install CD and you
would need the key to run the game.
L36[05:55:24] <KrazyKrl> i wouldn't use
greymarket sites to buy keys.
L37[05:55:56] <darsie> Ok, I guess then
this is greymarket.
L38[05:56:27] <darsie> Is this illegal or
violating TOS?
L39[05:56:43] <darsie> How does it
work?
L40[05:57:30] <KrazyKrl> probably violating
ToS, since you're transferring the liscense. Also a lot of
greymarket cdkeys are purchased with things like stolen credit
cards; which then may cause a game ban.
L41[05:58:01] <darsie> Hmm, there's a KSP2
steam account for 19.9 EUR.
L42[06:01:55] <KrazyKrl> IMO don't buy
digital goods via greymarket marketplaces. It's super easy to get
the key banned for things like fraud when the key was purchased.
And it's easy to have someone just recover the account.
L43[06:02:12] <darsie> mhm. thx
L44[06:02:14] <KrazyKrl> there's a reason
the game is cheaper.
L45[06:02:36] <KrazyKrl> stolen payment
cards or things like press copies.
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L49[06:25:56] <darsie> €34.79
L50[06:26:32] <darsie> €58.99 -41% seems
weird. Was it ever 58.99 EUR?
L52[06:27:35] <Mat2ch> The stores listed
there are legitimate
L53[06:28:08] <packbart> I paid 49,99€ for
KSP 2
L54[06:28:54] <packbart> (on Steam)
L55[06:48:55] <KrazyKrl> the -41% is
because the site purchased the game in a region-locked area for a
lower price(due to currency conversion rates). it's still a sketchy
site since it's a greymarket reseller; not an authorized vendor
itself.
L57[06:55:40] <darsie> cdkeys.com accepts
crypto :)
L58[06:56:22] <Mat2ch> Step 1: Buy in
Argentina. Step 2: ??? Step 3: Win?
L59[06:56:33] <Mat2ch> I think Valve
doesn't allow this
L60[06:58:10] <darsie> Are we all going to
the moon? Yes, but only If you have your own helmet. looool
L61[06:59:37] <KrazyKrl> Valve allows it;
but the game isn't usable outside of the purchased region.
L62[07:00:15] <darsie> It's ok to move from
Argentina elsewhere and still play your games.
L63[07:00:20] <darsie> IIRC
L64[07:01:57] <KrazyKrl> that -41% cdkeys
page literally says "cannot activate in united
states"
L65[07:02:52] <darsie> says 'Can activate
in Austria' for me.
L67[07:04:52] <darsie> I'm registered in
Austria, so I should be fine.
L68[07:05:00] <darsie> I also live in
Austria.
L69[07:13:55] <Izzy> damn they really are
asking $80 for it here
L70[07:14:37] <Mat2ch> 80?!
L71[07:14:47] <darsie> Where?
L72[07:15:05] <Izzy> australia
L73[07:15:13] <Althego> oh wait, now i can
actually run ksp2
L74[07:15:15] <darsie> on steam?
L75[07:15:25] <Izzy> $77.95
L76[07:15:28] <Izzy> yeah
L77[07:15:35] <darsie> crazy
L78[07:16:10] <Izzy> big game companies are
doing a v good job of convincing me not to buy their stuff
L79[07:16:30] <packbart> is that US dollars
or Australian dollars?
L80[07:16:51] <packbart> I wish they would
use different signs
L82[07:22:11] <KrazyKrl> are those US
dollars, canadian dollars, hong kong dollars, Singaporean dollars,
∀nsʇɹɐlᴉɐu pollɐɹs, or new zealand dollars?
L83[07:22:35] <darsie> That's 53.47 USD.
Not that crazy.
L84[07:23:09] <darsie> zealous
dollars?
L85[07:23:52] <darsie> What if I'm in
Liberland?
L86[07:23:53] <KrazyKrl> ;mission add In
your zeal, you strike your rocket five times.
L87[07:23:53] <LunchBot> Added mission: In
your zeal, you strike your rocket five times.
L88[07:24:31] <darsie> Does steam strictly
use my IP for my location?
L89[07:25:42] <darsie> What if I'm on a
yacht on the ocean using starlink?
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L91[07:26:15] <darsie> What if I'm in
Ukraien using starlink?
L92[07:26:21] <darsie> Ukraine*
L93[07:26:34] <Mat2ch> Izzy: Converted it's
cheaper than in the EU
L94[07:26:47] <Mat2ch> darsie: Please
contact Valve support
L95[07:26:49] <Mat2ch> :D
L96[07:27:06] <Mat2ch> .oO( and don't stand
on bridges in Ukraine )
L97[07:27:14] <darsie> 49.99 EUR in Austria
(but now on sale).
L98[07:27:42] <KrazyKrl> steam stores your
historical locations... so unless you permanently use an unknown
VPN and intentionally violate steam's ToS; steam will know.
L99[07:27:49] <darsie> Is Donetsk or Crimea
Russia or Ukraine?
L100[07:28:03] <Althego> depends on who
you ask :)
L101[07:28:11] <Mat2ch> we better not
discuss this here.
L102[07:28:14] <Althego> but only russoans
think they are russian
L103[07:28:22] <Althego> and yes dont talk
about that
L104[07:28:35] <darsie> I just wanted to
know steam's opinion.
L105[07:28:50] <KrazyKrl> the article i
listed explains.
L106[07:28:56] <darsie> Does steam employ
Russians?
L107[07:29:36] <darsie> KrazyKrl: Assume I
don't have a steam account and sign up.
L108[07:29:38] <darsie> ;)
L109[07:30:10] <KrazyKrl> "assume an
infinite density of massless spherical cows in a vacuum"
L110[07:30:23] <Althego> lol
L111[07:30:50] <darsie> Do they have
energy? Then they'd form a black hole.
L112[07:31:47] <KrazyKrl> they are already
an infinite density; therefore they are already a singularity
L113[07:33:13] <darsie> 2.1 CDKeys.com is
an online/internet platform that connects Buyers with Sellers to
facilitate the sale and purchase of various Programs. The Online
Shop provides access to a variety of Programs and facilitates the
transaction between Sellers and Buyers.
https://www.cdkeys.com/terms-conditions
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L118[08:47:27] *
darsie needs to figure out how to install KSP2 on Linux. The
install button in steam is inactive.
L119[08:49:00] <cringe> it isn't
hard
L120[08:49:05] <cringe> but step 1 is
installing windows
L121[08:49:13] <darsie> rly?
L122[08:49:28] <darsie> I don't have
Windows.
L123[08:49:33] <cringe> Sadge
L124[08:49:38] <darsie> what?
L125[08:49:57] <cringe> I haven't seen a
guide yet for installing on linux, but i'm sure one will pop up
eventually
L126[08:50:18] <cringe> probably end up
being some shortcut, like wine or something similiar
L127[08:50:39] <darsie> Is there a free
Windows I could use?
L128[08:51:58] <darsie> Could I download
it on a different computer and transfer it to my PC?
L129[08:52:56] <darsie> Or is there
something emulating windows? Run steam in wine or so?
L130[09:00:27] <cringe> that would be my
guess, haven't tried with ksp2
L131[09:02:00] <Mat2ch> darsie: go to
options and then compatibility and select a proton version
L132[09:02:16] <darsie> ok
L134[09:03:22] <Mat2ch> they say: Try with
experimental branch of Proton
L135[09:04:29] <darsie> thx. looks like I
need more disk space ...
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L139[10:00:50] <FLHerne> .mission add You
load yourself into the reverse thrust tubes so the crew can use
your body as decoy fodder.
L140[10:00:50] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You load yourself into the reverse thrust tubes so the crew can use
your body as decoy fodder.
L141[10:01:01] <FLHerne> .outcome add This
will of course leave you splatted across deep space and unable to
complete today's laundry, for which you apologise in advance.
L142[10:01:01] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
This will of course leave you splatted across deep space and unable
to complete today's laundry, for which you apologise in
advance.
L143[10:04:52] <FLHerne> .outcome fixup
s/deadly quotes/deadly missions/
L144[10:04:52] <LunchBot> New text is:
LunchBot explodes, emitting all kinds of deadly missions.
L145[10:05:09] <FLHerne> why did I get
that wrong the first time
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L147[10:11:41] <darsie> downloading
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L149[10:42:13] <packbart> darsie: KSP 2
runs (barely) on Linux with Proton/Vulkan
L150[10:42:24] <packbart> I've seen
Twitchers do it and despair
L151[10:43:11] <Althego> hehe
L152[10:43:36] <Althego> probably because
it doesnt run great even natively
L153[10:46:20] <darsie> How do I launch it
with proton from the shell, so not to use up my steam time in which
I can return/refund it.
L154[10:46:43] <darsie> If I can get a
refund for a CD key ...
L155[10:58:37] <darsie> Make sure you have
DirectX 11 installed, have up to date drivers for your graphics
card and have not disabled 3D acceleration in display
settings.
L156[10:59:06] <Althego> wait, is it using
directx 11, not 12?
L157[10:59:42] <darsie> apparently
L158[10:59:46] <Althego> strange
L159[10:59:57] <darsie> Except I guess I
don't have it installed.
L160[11:00:10] <darsie> I have a 1660
Ti
L161[11:02:54] <packbart> the gist of the
Linux experiments was that it needs much more VRAM than on Windows,
probably because of some inefficiencies in the shader translation
layer (although that's only conjecture)
L162[11:03:22] <packbart> at least 6GB,
more is better
L163[11:43:29] <darsie> Running it via
steam app also misses DirectX 11.
L164[12:13:35] <Mat2ch> packbart: A
commenter on protondb says that this is fixed in the latest
version
L165[12:15:01] <darsie> ic. I'm running
proton experimental from steam.
L166[12:15:54] <packbart> ah, good to
know. my game computer has a 8GB 2080S and runs Windows, so I
didn't need to try myself :)
L167[12:16:50] <packbart> (tbh, I let KSP
2 mature for a bit before I start it again)
L168[12:17:45] <Mat2ch> Well, they had to
use Unity for it. For no obvious reason.
L169[12:18:48] <packbart> I don't think
using Unreal, Godot or even a bespoke creation would make it any
easier
L170[12:19:03] <Mat2ch> Maybe make it
running better.
L171[12:19:25] <Mat2ch> I haven't found a
single Unity game that ran well, when Unity was used over its
limits
L172[12:19:52] <packbart> I haven't seen
an Unreal game that does what KSP does
L173[12:19:53] <Althego> despite the
restarting of development at some point, they didn change the
engine
L174[12:20:00] <Althego> probably shouldnt
have stuck with unity
L175[12:20:07] <packbart> so I can't
really compare
L176[12:20:52] <packbart> it's a universal
problem that computers are so bad at deterministic math
L177[12:23:55] <Mat2ch> they could've gone
for integers. :D
L178[12:24:05] <Mat2ch> But they are
clearly not computer scientists.
L179[12:24:45] <packbart> GPUs and physics
libraries still haven't gone for integers
L180[12:28:03] <Mat2ch> The whole physics
computation is done on the cpu
L181[12:28:18] <Mat2ch> and the viewpoint
has to be translated in any case
L182[12:33:13] <packbart> in any case, I'm
not really convinced that a change in engine would have made much
difference. and after all the delays, they probably decided on
Unity anyway, to reuse code and experience (which might not have
been a clever idea but sure saved time)
L183[12:34:07] <packbart> and nobody else
came out with a game that's like KSP but better (as far as I
know)
L184[12:34:44] <packbart> so, it's a bit
of a moot point. I hate the pixel design of KSP 2 more than their
choice of Unity ;)
L185[12:35:03] <packbart> I hope there
will be a font-changer mod
L186[12:35:34] <sandbox> pixel
design?
L187[12:36:04] <packbart> it's all retro
and do-you-member-early-KSP pixely
L189[12:36:24] <Althego> was already
delayed once
L190[12:37:10] <darsie> I'm not sure how
easy it is to avoid floats in KSP. Space is big. Really big. You
just won't believe how vastly, hugely mind-bogglingly big it is.
And then you have low orbits, too.
L191[12:37:44] <sandbox> I think I see
what you mean
L192[12:37:49] <darsie> :)
L193[12:39:31] <darsie> You also want to
get close to Baobab trees in less than 1 km steps to scan it.
L194[12:40:36] <packbart> Space Engineers
might be a KSP alternative but I never had the patience for it. I
like the VAB/SPH editors
L195[12:41:14] <darsie> Or rendezvous with
a Kerbal lost in orbit smoothly.
L196[12:42:15] <darsie> .outcome add Your
rendezvous with Valentina goes smoothly.
L197[12:42:15] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Your rendezvous with Valentina goes smoothly.
L198[12:42:33] <sandbox> oh, that reminds
me, has anyone played MewnBase ?
L199[12:42:40] <darsie> no
L200[12:42:58] <packbart> something
something sports commentator?
L201[12:43:23] <packbart> !outcome
Madden
L202[12:43:23] <LunchBot> The last thing
you hear is "John Madden" and "AEIOU" repeated
over and over.
L203[12:44:08] <packbart> (ok, that was
Moonbase Alpha, not MewnBase :)
L204[12:46:02] <packbart> Added to
wishlist. Looks a bit like Oxygen Not Included at first
glance
L205[12:49:13] <raptop> A mewnbase wouldbe
full of cats, right?
L206[12:49:43] <Mat2ch> darsie: 64 bit
signed integer can go from -9.223.372.036.854.775.808 to
9.223.372.036.854.775.807. For KSP you need mm precision and still
have Petameter left.
L207[12:49:58] <Mat2ch> And then you can
still use another integer to say: Uh, we are at the border
L208[12:50:22] <darsie> ok
L209[12:51:12] <raptop> Anyway, I have
some negative thoughts about KSP that I don't think I've said
elsewhere: I strongly suspect that the Star Theory devs had no idea
of what they took on, and ended up with litt
L210[12:51:16] <raptop> le to nothing
usable. The new dev team had some idea, but ended up following KSP1
ideas too closely,
L211[12:51:19] <raptop> even though some
of them could and/or should be done differently.
L212[12:51:22] <raptop> This is all
speculative, though
L213[12:51:55] <darsie> Eeloo Ap is 113
Gm.
L214[12:52:44] <raptop> And yeah, KSP
needs 64bit precision for interplanetary stuff. 128bit or something
for interstellar, I think?
L215[12:53:23] <darsie> Ohh ...
interstellar distances are higher, but maybe we can cheat somehow
there.
L216[12:53:45] <Mat2ch> raptop: you can
cheat for the interstellar stuff :)
L217[12:54:05] <raptop> well yes
L218[12:54:12] <raptop> 9e15 m ~= 1
ly
L219[12:54:34] <darsie> You know, SOI
...
L220[12:55:53] <darsie> Will there be
interstellar asteroids?
L221[12:56:04] <darsie> rogue
planets?
L222[12:56:24] <Mat2ch> raptop: exactly.
Pluto is 0.0006 ly away from the sun...
L223[12:56:36] <darsie> now?
L224[12:56:56] <darsie> or SMA?
L225[12:56:59] <Mat2ch> on average
L226[12:57:32] <darsie> Is 1 AU =
SMA?
L227[12:57:46] <raptop> darsie: unclear if
there will. I assume that mods will do so if the base game
doesn't
L228[12:57:53] <packbart> well, it's
0.22ly to Hutton Orbital
L229[12:58:19] <darsie> What radius is our
hill sphere?
L230[12:58:29] <darsie> 2 ly?
L231[12:58:30] <raptop> Let's see...
pluto's SMA is 40 au, or ~6000 Gm...
L232[12:58:40] <raptop> something like 2
ly for us
L233[12:59:07] <raptop> yeah, 0.00067 ly
for pluto
L234[12:59:21] <darsie> towards alpha
centauri.
L235[13:00:04] <raptop> Silly exercise for
a reader: at what distance towards Sirius does it become brighter
than Sol
L236[13:00:14] <darsie> Modders will make
alpha cen etc, I guess.
L237[13:01:08] <darsie> Can you power
something with interstellar starlight?
L238[13:02:13] <raptop> In real life I'm
aware of people doing calcs on continent sized mirrors and the
like. In KSP, eh
L239[13:02:17] <darsie> The solar cells
might degrade.
L240[13:02:54] <darsie> Such mirrors might
have significant drag.
L241[13:03:50] <raptop> well, yes
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L253[19:09:06] <XXCoder> ;mission
L254[19:09:06] <LunchBot> You build a
planet buster device. Your SRBs are liquidated.
L255[19:09:34] <XXCoder> what why would it
fail, lifting just 2 claws and one kerman
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r1=d/(1+sqrt(l2/l1))
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