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L23[05:51:25] <FLHerne> .outcome add To be fair, your actions were justified in context.

L24[05:51:25] <LunchBot> Added outcome: To be fair, your actions were justified in context.

L25[05:54:52] <raptop> >.>

L26[05:54:56] <raptop> <.<

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L31[07:36:27] <FLHerne> .mission add You invent self-heating tea that never gets cold. Well...technically it does, but the half-life is a few thousand years which should be good enough.

L32[07:36:28] <LunchBot> Added mission: You invent self-heating tea that never gets cold. Well...technically it does, but the half-life is a few thousand years which should be good enough.

L33[07:37:29] <XXCoder> so its mission that already has outcome in it

L34[07:37:36] <XXCoder> so it would result in 2 outcomes

L35[07:38:44] <XXCoder> ;mission add You try to create rocket that will orbit kerbin with only one part.

L36[07:38:45] <LunchBot> Added mission: You try to create rocket that will orbit kerbin with only one part.

L37[07:53:10] <FLHerne> that's not an outcome

L38[07:54:47] <XXCoder> i guess

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L45[09:19:34] <Althego> ;mission add You build an actual life-sized Schuler pendulum.

L46[09:19:34] <LunchBot> Added mission: You build an actual life-sized Schuler pendulum.

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L48[09:26:39] <Mat2ch> !mission

L49[09:26:40] <LunchBot> You try to get back from Eve without killing jeb. You can see the nail heads holding the wooden framework together. Very sloppy workmanship, actually.

L50[09:26:59] <Mat2ch> !mission fixup s/jeb/Jeb/

L51[09:26:59] <LunchBot> New text is: You try to get back from Eve without killing Jeb.

L52[09:27:05] <Mat2ch> !mission

L53[09:27:05] <LunchBot> You spam kmath with ;mission. The only sign of your demise is a brief neutrino burst.

L54[09:27:15] <Mat2ch> kmath didn't like it...

L55[09:32:14] <sandbox> !mission

L56[09:32:14] <LunchBot> You visit otter space. Everyone complains about the spoilers, even though they decrease the amount of runway your craft needs by 92%.

L57[09:36:59] <packbart> Otters just don't want spoilers, I guess

L58[09:51:56] <FLHerne> I don

L59[09:52:23] <Althego> your spacesuit?

L60[09:52:24] <FLHerne> I don't think an Eve ascent vehicle made of wood is likely to work and not kill Jeb

L61[09:58:25] <sandbox> !mission

L62[09:58:25] <LunchBot> You gaze deeply into the shining trapezohedron. You rise up, gather round, and rock the KSC to the ground.

L63[10:00:50] <XXCoder> mind controlling trapezohedron wins.

L64[10:01:43] <XXCoder> ;mission

L65[10:01:43] <LunchBot> You attempt to determine why Moho is no longer tidally locked. Your computer overheats so badly it cooks the eggs in the apartment above you.

L66[10:01:57] <XXCoder> damn ineffecient code

L67[10:02:17] <Althego> ksp2

L68[10:03:00] <Althego> or what was that unoptimized game lately? jedi sorvivor or something

L69[10:03:31] <XXCoder> dunno. not much of gamer anymore

L70[10:06:58] <Izzy> CP2077?

L71[10:07:04] <Althego> https://www.gamebyte.com/star-wars-jedi-survivor-reportedly-unplayable-for-pc-players/

L72[10:07:16] <Althego> it literally couldnt achieve playable framerate on a 4090

L73[10:07:27] <Althego> while running ok on consoles

L74[10:07:41] <Izzy> yikes

L75[10:08:25] <XXCoder> crazy

L76[10:10:33] <packbart> the console version must run well enough as required by their contracts with the console store owners. they can quality-manage the PC version at their own pace

L77[10:10:41] <Izzy> > 4090/5950x cannot maintain a solid 60 fps

L78[10:10:56] <XXCoder> i cant picture how well my gtx 1060 would do lol

L79[10:11:09] <XXCoder> probably slide show

L80[10:11:12] <Izzy> I mean, if it's dipping below 60 on like 900000W computers but running okay on the laptop hardware on consoles that's still yikes but I'd say that "60 with dips" is playable

L81[10:12:23] <Izzy> not a good sign for midrange cards though, yeah

L82[10:12:40] <Izzy> not everyone can afford car money for their graphics card alone

L83[10:13:03] <XXCoder> yeah

L84[10:16:56] <Althego> that was just average framerate, in many siuations it was a lot worse

L85[10:17:04] <Althego> but there was some patch since then

L86[10:17:16] <sandbox> I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

L87[10:17:25] <Althego> i bet it is still not great, but the pc just powers through with sheer muscle

L88[10:21:21] <Izzy> 600W GPU go brr

L89[10:51:15] <packbart> I only play one game that reliably uses max GPU power and that is Fishing Planet :) It's got all the things GPUs love. Lots of water, fog, grass, trees

L90[10:57:38] <Mat2ch> Fishing Planet is nice. But also very grindy

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L93[11:27:31] <packbart> aye, that it is. unless you pay real money, of course

L94[11:37:00] <darsie> 1337

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L96[12:16:48] <Mat2ch> packbart: I have managed to get a kayak, though

L97[12:17:38] <Mat2ch> it's a nice game to relax to. But you still have to catch a decent amount of fish to pay all the fees

L98[12:20:52] <Eddi|zuHause> isn't EVERY game nowaday littered with "this is unoptimized" reviews?

L99[12:21:10] <Althego> probably

L100[12:21:19] <Althego> but this was an extreme case

L101[12:22:12] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: probably.

L102[12:22:23] <Mat2ch> And the problem causing this is not good educated developers.

L103[12:22:41] <Mat2ch> If you make a game and don't think about efficiency if you add things to it, then you are not well enough educated.

L104[12:22:41] <Althego> no, probably managemen

L105[12:22:45] <Althego> good enough, release it

L106[12:23:17] <Mat2ch> And the problem will get worse. Because nowadays the younger generation doesn't tinker with the hardware anymore, because most of them use locked-in smartphones

L107[12:28:04] <Eddi|zuHause> there's many layers to that. management setting unfulfillable goals. developers focusing on wrong things. players having unrealistic expectations

L108[12:28:38] <Althego> they use game engines in development, you dont even need to go near the hardware level

L109[12:31:47] <Eddi|zuHause> that's not necessarily a bad thing

L110[12:33:26] <Eddi|zuHause> but sometimes these levels of indirections make optimization harder

L111[12:35:24] <Eddi|zuHause> because to optimize the game engine people need to talk to people that use the game engine how they use it.

L112[12:36:40] <Eddi|zuHause> which can either mean the use cases can be better handled by the game engine, or the use cases are changed to better match what the game engine can provide efficiently

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L116[14:53:36] <sandbox> !mission

L117[14:53:36] <LunchBot> You're taking your final exam for your rocket license. The payload greatly exceeds the hagedorn temperature.

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L119[15:01:28] <packbart> 'it can be thought of as the "boiling point" of hadronic (i.e. ordinary) matter'

L120[15:01:47] <packbart> Vapor Payloads are the future, anyway

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L122[15:23:23] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQQ5lxfKGU

L123[15:23:31] <Mat2ch> Virgin Galactic in flight

L124[15:23:36] <Mat2ch> with Scott as commentary

L125[15:39:41] <packbart> hm. I can't stand Nasaspaceflight but I like Scott. difficult decision

L126[15:41:34] <Mat2ch> hehe

L127[15:41:42] <Mat2ch> NSF can be annoying

L128[15:41:52] <Mat2ch> Mostly Scott is talking

L129[15:42:03] <Mat2ch> and we're around 10k feet away from launch

L130[15:42:07] <Mat2ch> *release

L131[15:42:30] <Mat2ch> around 10-15 min from now

L132[15:43:34] <packbart> I'll put it on the office chromecast

L133[15:47:48] <Mat2ch> There's a town called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_or_Consequences,_New_Mexico nearby. What?

L134[15:48:16] <packbart> well, I guess they chose Consequences

L135[15:48:17] <Mat2ch> Elephant Butte is a great name :D

L136[15:48:50] <packbart> there are quite a few sponsored town names around, I think

L137[15:53:07] <sandbox> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/California_%22The_official_sunshine_village%22_-_geograph.org.uk_-_242694.jpg

L138[15:54:03] <packbart> Scotland is not exactly what I would associate with "sunshine"

L139[15:54:14] <sandbox> that's the joke

L140[15:58:34] <packbart> ah. "Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. Formerly Hot Springs, New Mexico, the town made the unique decision in 1950 to rename itself after a popular radio show."

L141[15:58:49] <packbart> DISH, Texas was the one I was thinking of

L142[16:04:13] <Mat2ch> drop imminent.

L143[16:06:27] <Althego> in a distant time and faraway space, the planet new texas floats deep in space

L144[16:08:06] <Mat2ch> .oO( are they robbing anyone of deir sanity there as well? Oh, wait, that was New Florida )

L145[16:20:45] <Mat2ch> now launch probably imminent

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L147[16:23:23] <Althego> rocket

L148[16:26:01] <Eddi|zuHause> !nission

L149[16:26:09] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L150[16:26:09] <LunchBot> Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to kill every kerbal in one titanic explosion. Years later, you sometimes wake up in a cold sweat from the memories of their screams.

L151[16:26:44] <Eddi|zuHause> and boy did they scream!

L152[16:30:10] <Althego> hehehe

L153[16:30:17] <Althego> again a fitting match

L154[16:41:01] <Eddi|zuHause> !outcome add The firefighters just shrug in utter hopelessness.

L155[16:41:01] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The firefighters just shrug in utter hopelessness.

L156[16:44:45] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission add After countless meetings and delays, you finally decide the name of the next rocket to be "Big Bertha".

L157[16:44:46] <LunchBot> Added mission: After countless meetings and delays, you finally decide the name of the next rocket to be "Big Bertha".

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L159[17:35:22] <packbart> Big Badaboom

L160[17:35:35] <packbart> although Disney might hold rights to that name

L161[17:40:41] <sandbox> !mission

L162[17:40:41] <LunchBot> You try to use infiniglider physics to go over 3,000 m/s. Hawking radiation. Hawking radiation everywhere.

L163[17:41:31] <raptop> technically there's a missing intermediate step, but I feel like it's pretty obvious

L164[17:44:05] <packbart> !mission add Your rendezvous training instructions mix up the terms "relative speed" and "relativistic speed".

L165[17:44:05] <LunchBot> Added mission: Your rendezvous training instructions mix up the terms "relative speed" and "relativistic speed".

L166[17:47:00] <raptop> Shouldn't have taken that brachiosaur trajectory, I guess

L167[17:51:05] <packbart> good thing that KSP doesn't have a concept of "lightspeed" and all its baggage

L168[17:51:30] <packbart> otoh, the real universe has much better resolution than 32bit floating point allows

L169[17:55:44] <Eddi|zuHause> it does have a finite resolution, though...

L170[17:57:24] <packbart> yeah, but its framerate and spatial resolution are so smooth, I can't complain

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L173[18:09:46] <darsie> packbart: This comes at a very low simulation speed, though.

L174[18:10:13] <darsie> you just don't notice cause you're simulated, too.

L175[18:11:24] <packbart> one day, we'll map our brains and transfer them into a simulation, so everyone can fork a thousand overclocked worker-me's to do all the boring things

L176[18:12:44] <darsie> They won't be happy.

L177[18:12:54] <darsie> Might be ok for a little while, though.

L178[18:13:08] <darsie> But what kind of work?

L179[18:13:09] <packbart> then they can just reset to an earlier snapshot were they still were happy and get on with the job

L180[18:13:28] <packbart> filing taxes, searching the internets, playing games ;)

L181[18:13:29] <darsie> So no work that requires long memory.

L182[18:14:24] <packbart> well, they might need to take notes for their later selves. Language will probably be the way to transfer information for quite a while

L183[18:15:36] <darsie> Yeah, transferring information by direct manipulation of neural networks is hard.

L184[18:15:44] <darsie> Like implanting memories.

L185[18:17:11] <sandbox> I wish we could replay dreams

L186[18:18:00] <sandbox> I had an insane one the other night

L187[18:23:34] <sandbox> it was more like a biblical prophecy

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L191[20:16:31] <Mat2ch> funny thing about the universe and the "simulation speed". Since we measure time by comparing it to other stuff in the universe, it's rather easy to slow down the simulation speed without anyone inside of it noticing ;)

L192[20:28:54] <darsie> exactly, my point :).

L193[20:29:42] <darsie> Which is also why I might use a 1 MW Hawking radiation black hole than a 1 GW one, because the 1 MW one is bigger and easier to feed.

L194[20:30:19] <darsie> I/we'd run on a slower speed, but we'd have the same amount of thought.

L195[20:30:40] <darsie> Yeah, the stars would move faster ...

L196[20:33:50] <FLHerne> .outcome add The resulting explosion can be seen from space. That's not as remarkable as it sounds because it's *in* space, but Mitdun certainly has a good view.

L197[20:33:50] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The resulting explosion can be seen from space. That's not as remarkable as it sounds because it's *in* space, but Mitdun certainly has a good view.

L198[20:34:53] <FLHerne> .outcome fixup s/can be seen/is visible from/

L199[20:34:53] <LunchBot> New text is: The resulting explosion is visible from from space. That's not as remarkable as it sounds because it's *in* space, but Mitdun certainly has a good view.

L200[20:34:58] <FLHerne> bleh

L201[20:35:09] <FLHerne> .outcome fixup s/from from/from/

L202[20:35:09] <LunchBot> New text is: The resulting explosion is visible from space. That's not as remarkable as it sounds because it's *in* space, but Mitdun certainly has a good view.

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L205[20:46:42] <Eddi|zuHause> !mission

L206[20:46:42] <LunchBot> In order to spite your elementary school teachers, you write in recursive handwriting instead of cursive. It doesn't work, so you sell it for 20 times the price instead of your usual 10 times the price.

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L208[21:03:19] <FLHerne> Is Circular Gallifreyan an example of recursive handwriting?

L209[21:12:42] <XXCoder> ;mission

L210[21:12:43] <LunchBot> You instigate a revolution against the Tsiolkovsky, tyrant of the rocket equation. Someone makes a bot to help with it and unleashes it on #KSPOfficial.

L211[21:13:04] <XXCoder> bots? sounds like robot overlord is coming

L212[21:14:36] <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: i would think something more fractal

L213[21:15:42] <Eddi|zuHause> a robot uprising

L214[21:15:47] <Eddi|zuHause> sounds... fun?

L215[21:16:24] <Mat2ch> well, if they uprise then they have to do all the tedious tasks we do.

L216[21:16:33] <Mat2ch> So I can play all day now. Because they have to work.

L217[21:20:19] <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: it's a bit fractal, letter-dots on word-circles in big sentence circles

L218[21:20:35] <FLHerne> but yes

L219[21:21:11] <FLHerne> while you could arrange it into ever-larger circular messages no-one really does

L220[21:52:37] <Eddi|zuHause> i would imagine a fractal writing system gives you a rough glance at first sight, but each area you can zoom in to find out more details

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