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L2[00:10:28] <funkenstein> For some reason
when I first built a small plane in KSP it landed and handled
beautifully, but now when I try to make the most simple plane
possible to get to the island runway or the nearby mountains for
some science, anything I build handles like absolute mystery goo,
especially under 100m/s.
L3[00:11:12] <funkenstein> What am I doing
so wrong? I have my CoM about one goo-length ahead of my CoL
L4[00:13:23] <raptop> I'd wildly guess
something with control surface location
L5[00:13:31] <raptop> Maybe previously they
were farther from the CoM
L6[00:13:55] <funkenstein> They're at the
wingtips and edges of the main wings
L7[00:14:17] <darsie> V-tails don't work
well for me.
L8[00:16:46] <raptop> hrm, maybe. Probably
good role control but questionable pitch?
L9[00:17:09] <funkenstein> I try not to vary
more than 20 degrees
L10[00:17:52] <raptop> s/role/roll/
L11[00:18:02] *
raptop pokes raptop with an SAS module
L12[00:18:35] <funkenstein> You've heard of
Critical Role, but what about Critical Yawe
L13[00:19:07] <funkenstein> ;outcome add
Your plans are foiled by the light at the end of the runway.
L14[00:19:07] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Your plans are foiled by the light at the end of the runway.
L16[00:19:44] <funkenstein>
Definitely
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L19[00:22:51] <funkenstein> ;mission
L20[00:22:51] <LunchBot> You measure the
capacity of your fuel tanks in butts. You become trapped in a hell
of your own making.
L21[00:23:10] <funkenstein> Too many
butts?
L22[00:23:21] <funkenstein> Who ever heard
of such a thing?
L23[00:23:42] <raptop> Part of it is that
you're now required to use wine as fuel
L24[00:24:12] <funkenstein> Ha
L25[00:25:07] <funkenstein> Now
interviewing: Jeb R. "Raptop" Kerman, alcoholic
L26[00:25:59] <funkenstein> ;mission
L27[00:25:59] <LunchBot> UmbralRaptor
explodes, emitting all kinds of dinosaur DNA. Supernovy makes a pun
out of your predicament.
L28[00:26:33] <funkenstein> It combined
those two 3 times already
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L39[00:45:38] <FLHerne> there's definitely
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L58[05:53:07] <raptop> !mission
L59[05:53:07] <LunchBot> You attempt
something you saw Danny2462 do. The number of stranded kerbals only
increases.
L60[05:53:15] <raptop> yeah, that
tracks
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L85[12:37:15] <darsie> 1337
L86[12:38:42] <Althego> heh too late
L87[12:38:50] <Althego> i missed it
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L91[14:35:32] <darsie> KSP rockoons
L92[14:40:16] <darsie> mass drivers, space
elevators
L93[15:06:41] <FLHerne> ;outcome add You're
sad you wasted your time even entertaining this stupidity.
L94[15:06:41] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
You're sad you wasted your time even entertaining this
stupidity.
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L102[16:25:37] <ThatOneGuy> !lunch
L103[16:25:37] <LunchBot> Tea and
crumpets.
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L105[16:26:18] <raptop> !lunch snack
L106[16:26:18] <LunchBot> Mixed nuts,
though maybe that's just a snack.
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L109[17:08:10] <FLHerne> ;nextlunch add
Porridge for breakfast, porridge for lunch, porridge for dinner.
Why don't you go and buy some food that isn't oats?
L110[17:08:10] <LunchBot> Added lunch:
Porridge for breakfast, porridge for lunch, porridge for dinner.
Why don't you go and buy some food that isn't oats?
L111[17:09:05] <Althego> oat: outside air
temperature
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L114[18:13:48] <darsie> cabbage with
potatoes.
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L118[18:37:11] <SporkWitch> local leet
time
L119[18:37:26] <Althego> nice
L120[18:37:36] <SporkWitch> been a while
since i actually caught it heh
L121[19:03:51] <darsie> Bug: This aircraft
produces thrust under water (even when the air intake is under
water):
https://0x0.st/o748.png
L122[19:04:41] <Althego> it used to
L123[19:04:45] <darsie> I tested the
engine while splashed down on Kerbin.
L124[19:04:56] <Althego> it doesnt need to
actually work
L125[19:05:06] <Althego> i usually just
slap it on a tiny solid bbooster
L126[19:05:22] <darsie> and a chute
L127[19:05:50] <darsie> We shoudn't say
chute. Chute mean fall and parachute means against fall.
L128[19:06:28] <darsie> We also shouldn't
say atom, when we mean the particles which can be split.
L129[19:06:48] <SporkWitch> technically it
would be 'chute, to show we're abbreviating, but people are lazy,
and it's so ubiquitous people just understand the intent
L130[19:07:21] <darsie> Same with toms.
ppl know what we mean if we say atoms.
L131[19:08:08] <SporkWitch> also,
technically, atom was chosen because at the time it was thought it
was the smallest particle and couldn't be split further, hence the
discrepancy between the name's meaning and reality
L132[19:08:16] <darsie> mhm
L133[19:08:31] <darsie> Paraglider is
weird, too. It means against gliding.
L134[19:08:39] <Althego> hehe
L135[19:08:44] <darsie> :)
L136[19:09:05] <Althego> languages are
full of stuff like that
L137[19:09:08] <Althego> inflammable
L138[19:09:20] <Althego> anybody who says
that needs a slap instantly
L139[19:09:28] <SporkWitch> "We also
shouldn't say atom, when we mean the particles which can be
split." this one just reminds me of that physics paper that's
written in purely germanic english:
https://youtu.be/IIo-17SIkws?t=190
L140[19:09:30] <Althego> because it means
absolutely nothing
L141[19:09:33] <packbart> see also: Ultra
High Frequency in laughable MHz ranges
L142[19:11:03] <SporkWitch> etymonline
says "defense, protection against" as the latin root on
para, so "paraglider" makes sense if we consider the
glider the means of defense
L143[19:14:36] <SporkWitch> other weird
issues crop up if it's a neologism, rather than something following
more traditional etymology, e.g. paralympics, not referring to the
latin "para" but rather "paraplegic," which
follows a far more convoluted etymological path from the same latin
"para" root
L144[19:14:56] <darsie> From Ancient Greek
παρά (pará, “beside; next to, near, from; against, contrary
to”).
L145[19:16:51] <darsie> From French para-,
from Italian para-, from para, imperative of parare (“to defend,
shield, shroud”), from Latin parō (“I prepare”).
L146[19:17:23] <SporkWitch> in the end
it's all filthy romance infection of my lovely germanic english!
lol
L147[19:19:02] <Althego> do all kerbals
speak the same language?
L148[19:20:20] <SporkWitch> i'm going to
use the potential for space races in KSP2, combined with what
competitive play and mods will mean for outright warfare, to say
there's lore justification to say "no"
L149[19:20:59] <packbart> does a hive mind
have a language?
L150[19:21:18] <Althego> wouldnt be a hive
mind
L151[19:21:25] <darsie> Althego: Do the
mobile ones talk at all?
L152[19:21:33] <SporkWitch> a hive mind
has no need for language, it would only complicate things. Language
is necessary to convey ideas indirectly; a hive mind simply
knows
L153[19:22:21] <Althego> mobile kerbals?
the astronauts?
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L155[19:23:24] <darsie> yeah. Not the ones
in the Astronaut compled and Gene.
L156[19:23:40] <Althego> now that you
mention it no
L157[19:24:15] <Althego> does chatterer
count?
L158[19:24:23] <darsie> Sometimes they
pop.
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L160[19:24:48] <darsie> Or splash.
L161[19:25:13] <darsie> chatterer is not
stock. idk
L162[19:25:45] <SporkWitch> chatterer
isn't needed; even without it there are still a few sims-like
murmeruings, like when you open up the mission control and
such
L163[19:26:41] <SporkWitch> apologies,
caught back up now, no, without chatterer there's no speech outside
of the scripted stuff in tutorials or when changing to certain
scenes
L164[19:26:50] <Althego> yes
L165[19:26:55] <Althego> but those are for
kerbals in the ksc
L166[19:26:58] <Althego> the non mobiels
ones
L167[19:27:09] <SporkWitch> yup, was just
confirming / agreeing
L168[19:27:30] <Althego> i like the sounds
when you accept a mission
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L170[19:29:21] <packbart> ack. I added
them to Chatterer for that reason
L171[19:30:58] <SporkWitch> it would be a
nice touch if they added some exclamations and general mutterings
to the kerbals in KSP2. I think it'd be hilarious to hear a scream
when things explode lol
L172[19:31:22] <Althego> you can just see
them scream
L173[19:31:27] <Althego> currently at
least
L174[19:31:41] <Althego> but a lot of tiny
touches are there, like head movements for acceleration
L175[19:31:45] <Althego> so i can imagine
sounds too
L176[19:31:53] <SporkWitch> you can, and
they're putting a lot of work into making them even more expressive
and to react to the forces applied to them, which is why i don't
think attaching some voices as well wouldn't be out of the
question
L177[19:31:54] <Althego> in ksp2
L178[19:32:02] <SporkWitch> yup
L180[19:34:44] <Althego> doesnt seem to
rotat
L181[20:02:16] <SporkWitch> Althego: did
you mean at the very end? it's because they didn't have it fully
open so they didn't have the full water pressure on it; when they
hit hte drill that controls the valve, you see it spin real
nice
L182[20:02:38] <Althego> yes, the
end
L183[20:03:12] <SporkWitch> yeah, they
only had it partially open so they could see when they'd bled all
the air and make sure they had it lined up right; once they had it
set, they opened it all the way
L185[20:09:07] <Althego> as realplayer
once said: net congestion. buffering
L186[20:09:16] <Althego> (it never was,
they were local files)
L187[20:09:34] <Althego> still didnt get
even half of the image
L188[20:09:51] <SporkWitch> i was more of
a winamp user back in those days, but wasn't realplayer originally
designed for streaming audio? If so, a generic message isn't
surprising
L189[20:09:52] <darsie> could be 0x0
L190[20:10:05] <darsie> perhaps everyone
is downloading it now :).
L191[20:10:31] <Althego> what, you didnt
even build your own cdn all over the earth
L192[20:10:42] <darsie> 0x0 is not
mine
L193[20:10:50] <Althego> baszhatom
azt
L194[20:10:57] <Althego> lol not
this
L197[20:14:16] <SporkWitch> i apparently
lost the other good one i got back then: "connecting to
broadband connection. Dialing..." >_< lol
L198[20:14:38] <SporkWitch> (these were
screenshots i took myself because they cracked me up when i got the
messages, not random things i found on the net lol)
L199[20:15:07] <Althego> the image almost
loaded
L200[20:15:21] <Althego> tiny spacecraft
with many seats. must be crowded
L201[20:16:55] <packbart> I once made my
own CDN when I did my virtual trip around the world. looked for
cheap VMs (<5€) around the world on lowendbox.com, rented them
for a month and played a bit with geoip-aware DNS and varnish
caches on all of them
L202[20:17:27] <packbart> don't really
have a need for it, so I cancelled most of them. I kept Helsinki
and Singapore
L204[20:34:53] <packbart> Windows 10 with
WSL ain't that bad. I use it to play all my games
L205[20:35:09] <packbart> and compile mods
with Mono
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L210[21:19:58] <sandbox> I don't think I
ever looked at that screen
L211[21:22:04] <SporkWitch> can you see
why i'd think it worth taking a screenshot of it, though? lol
L212[21:25:36] <sandbox> I remember the
rating thing though
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L224[23:05:29] <funkenstein> This times
out very quickly on my phone so if I disappear a lot that's
why.
L225[23:06:10] <funkenstein> Do I need to
get my scientists out of a vehicle to take date from science
equipment to the MPL? I would assume so, but then again this is
KSP
L226[23:06:22] <funkenstein>
;mission
L227[23:06:22] <LunchBot> You attempt to
aerobrake Jool in Eve's atmosphere. The mountain is painted bright
pink.
L228[23:07:25] <SporkWitch> funkenstein:
not if it's attached / docked. Sending it to the lab is a button
like keep or transmit, unlike transmit it requires a physical
connection to the lab, but you don't need to go and manually grab
it. Just review the experiment result and click the flask
button
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L231[23:08:22] <FLHerne> Eve's atmosphere
is more of a purple IMO
L232[23:08:30] <funkenstein> Alright. I am
going to put a massive river on Eve (or try, I don't like the look
of that transfer) and I don't want to bung anything up
L233[23:08:43] <funkenstein> Lol I was
just thinking that flherne
L234[23:08:53] <funkenstein> But then
again, that's not my problem
L235[23:09:37] <funkenstein>
(<>°..°<>)
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L237[23:11:32] <XXCoder> uh what
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L239[23:11:37] <XXCoder> ;mission
L240[23:11:38] <LunchBot> You use
tweakscale. The outcome isn't null terminated???Д??????Д??Жжд
L241[23:12:01] <XXCoder> oh great
lol
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L243[23:12:36] <funkenstein>
;mission
L244[23:12:37] <LunchBot> You spray-paint
the Mystery Goo gray. UmbralRaptor explodes, emitting all kinds of
dinosaur DNA.
L245[23:12:59] <funkenstein> Any advice
for the trip to eve
L246[23:13:31] <raptop> Please do not
create gray good. It harms the shadow-birbs
L247[23:13:39] <funkenstein> Is a 35 ton
rover too ambition?
L248[23:13:40] <raptop> *gray goo
L249[23:13:46] <funkenstein> Ravens?
L250[23:13:57] <raptop> Sometimes
L251[23:14:09] <raptop> (I mean, I use お空
as an avatar in some places)
L252[23:14:25] <Izaya> Depends where you
want to put it
L253[23:14:28] <funkenstein> Heh
L254[23:14:33] <funkenstein> On eve
L255[23:14:41] <funkenstein> Preferably
not in an ocean
L256[23:14:52] <SporkWitch> i prefer
共匪
L257[23:14:53] <raptop> As long as the
rover isn't coming back, that doesn't seem like an excessive
problem?
L258[23:15:02] <Izaya> Eve is probably
easier than a lot of places, assuming you don't want to come back
:D
L259[23:15:27] <SporkWitch> and yeah,
higher gravity tends to mean better rover behaviour, just make sure
you have good structural support as that gravity is punishing
L260[23:15:39] <funkenstein> It's just
that I haven't got the Atlas parts unlocked yet. I meant to, but I
clicked the wrong node in R&D
L261[23:15:52] <SporkWitch> assemble in
orbit?
L262[23:16:09] <Izaya> orbital assembly
best assembly
L263[23:16:11] <SporkWitch> 5 mini-lion
bots form one giant bot!
L264[23:16:12] *
raptop can't remember what count as the Atlas parts, size 2
engines?
L265[23:16:16] <funkenstein> I was
planning on making a small science rocket-copter but I can't make
them stable
L266[23:16:31] <funkenstein> The XL making
history parts
L267[23:16:35] <raptop> ah
L268[23:16:41] <SporkWitch> aren't those
the saturn parts?
L269[23:16:45] <raptop> yeah
L270[23:16:51] <raptop> size 3
everything(tm)
L271[23:16:52] <Izaya> satlas
L272[23:16:57] <funkenstein> Whoa brain
fart
L273[23:17:14] <funkenstein> Not sure how
I came out with atlas
L274[23:17:32] <raptop> Historically
Accurate Atlas(tm) that uses a Poodle and 2x LV-T30, then drops the
engines at like 20-30 km
L275[23:17:45] <SporkWitch> saturn 5 with
asperagus staging on top: for all your heavy payload needs
L276[23:18:45] <funkenstein> Yeahhh
L277[23:19:25] <funkenstein> ;mission add
You find it shameful that the Atlas rocket wasn't named for the
moth.
L278[23:19:25] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You find it shameful that the Atlas rocket wasn't named for the
moth.
L279[23:19:54] <SporkWitch> if it was it'd
fly right into the sun
L280[23:20:11] <funkenstein> Lul
L281[23:20:49] <Izaya> 1.875m LV-T45 stack
my beloved
L282[23:21:00] <funkenstein> A good deal
of my weight is in a fuel tank, I assumed if I wanted to ascend
hills on eve I would need to do so under rocket power
L283[23:21:11] <funkenstein> Would that be
correct
L284[23:22:05] <SporkWitch> depends how
steep. i'd almost think it easier since the main issue i find with
rover handling is traction in low gravity
L285[23:23:01] <funkenstein> I don't know
how steep it gets on Eve, if duna was any sort of example I will
have trouble
L286[23:23:11] <funkenstein> Brb
L287[23:23:17] <SporkWitch> then clearly
the only solution is to build a mech
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L291[23:27:20] <funkenstein> Aw
L292[23:27:27] <funkenstein> Wheels aren't
working
L293[23:27:44] <SporkWitch> fiddle around
with the various traction and friction values
L294[23:28:18] <SporkWitch> always
necessary; if it wasn't so close to KSP2 i'd have started creating
a spreadsheet of what settings on which wheels work best on which
body; getting them right makes a HUGE difference
L295[23:30:08] <darsie> funkenstein:
Switch symmetry modes. There are keys.
L296[23:30:25] <darsie> Eve coast is
steep, I think.
L297[23:30:40] <darsie> Other places, too,
I think.
L298[23:31:03] <funkenstein> Keys?
L299[23:31:08] <funkenstein> I think I
missed something
L300[23:31:10] <darsie> on the
keyboard
L301[23:31:33] <darsie> maybe those I
think of are for EER.
L302[23:31:55] <darsie> press r
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L305[23:35:58] <funkenstein> Wheels work,
no steering. Is that normal for the XL3s
L306[23:37:07] <SporkWitch> i think some
of the larger wheels work tank-style, rather than actually
turning
L307[23:37:48] <funkenstein> There's no
response to any command but w for forward
L308[23:37:58] <funkenstein> And s
L309[23:38:03] <SporkWitch> how many
wheels?
L310[23:38:05] <packbart> yeah, the XL3
don't turn. they use differential steering (one side goes
faster)
L311[23:38:08] <funkenstein> Four
L312[23:38:28] <SporkWitch> how spread
out? might need to add more
L313[23:38:45] <funkenstein> Evenly around
the center of mass
L314[23:38:45] <packbart> is the control
point set correctly?
L315[23:39:07] <funkenstein> Nope it was
set to up o_0
L316[23:39:15] <SporkWitch> lol
L317[23:39:42] <funkenstein> Dunno how I
missed the lack of horizon on the navball
L318[23:42:28] <funkenstein>
;mission
L319[23:42:28] <LunchBot> You build a
space bus. You are pinned to the ceiling by the reactor vessel
plug.
L320[23:42:50] <SporkWitch> ... you're not
supposed to use the plug that way...
L321[23:43:32] <funkenstein> That's what
she said
L322[23:44:50] <raptop> [ed note: the
outcome is a reference to SL-1]
L323[23:46:01] <SporkWitch> it's rocketry,
you're never escaping the phallic references lol
L324[23:46:27] <funkenstein> Interesting.
I used cheats to do a test drive on Eve and found holding forward
while alternating the left and right controls I can go 8 times as
fast
L325[23:46:53] <packbart> yeah, it's a
"feature" of the differential steering
L326[23:47:18] <funkenstein> That's not
how it works on cars in my experience
L327[23:47:19] <funkenstein> Lol
L328[23:47:24] <packbart> wiggling left
and right accelerates beyond the weels' max speed
L329[23:47:24] <SporkWitch> things like
that are pretty common physics bugs in games; watch any speedrun,
9/10 involve diagonal movement, especially in older games that just
did hard movement speed limits
L330[23:47:36] <SporkWitch> ^
L331[23:50:19] <FLHerne> ;mission add You
wiggle left and right to accelerate far beyond your wheels' maximum
speed.
L332[23:50:19] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You wiggle left and right to accelerate far beyond your wheels'
maximum speed.
L333[23:51:07] <FLHerne> at least it's not
Over The Road Racing where you can reach infinite speed in
reverse
L334[23:51:27] <funkenstein> What
L335[23:51:57] <SporkWitch> that was an
exploit in portal, too lol
L336[23:52:21] <funkenstein> ;mission add
You shift into reverse and break the light speed record.
L337[23:52:21] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You shift into reverse and break the light speed record.
L338[23:52:41] <SporkWitch> by facing the
opposite direction of movement when you land from a jump, the
slow-down force is applied in the wrong direction, accelerating you
instead of slowing you back down to the speed limit lol
L339[23:52:56] <funkenstein>
Hilarious
L340[23:52:58] <SporkWitch> think it was
portal that had that bug...
L342[23:53:58] <funkenstein> I managed
28m/s on a 15 degree incline on eve, but going downhill caused a
tilt then a front flip
L343[23:54:18] <funkenstein> Which should
be more difficult in a 4 meter tall rover
L344[23:54:43] <funkenstein> With a
wheelbase of about 6 meters, I think?
L345[23:55:57] <funkenstein> Flherne
thanks, my ears are ringing from the engine noise
L346[23:56:07] <raptop> ah, yes, ABH
L347[23:56:53] <SporkWitch> ah, looks like
ALL source engine games have it heh
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