L3[00:56:53] <Izaya> post-quantum encryption is a thing

L4[00:57:14] <Izaya> I'm not saying it's foolproof but smart people work on things

L6[00:59:23] <SporkWitch> it is, but it's not in widespread use, even in cryptophile circles. There's also a lot of question over the quality of many popular curves, some even suspected as honeypots (that is, promoted BECAUSE they're flawed and easy to break). That's one of the big problems with Eliptic Curve, it's not JUST the algorithm, but the particular curve you use, that affects the actual strength of the key.

L7[01:00:50] <SporkWitch> almost everything that isn't government/military is still using more traditional ciphers, be that RSA for PGP and SSH, or the ones used for TLS (can't remember off the top of my head, it's just part of my standard maintenance to do a check to see if any have been broken and then explicitly disable them)

L8[01:06:48] <Izaya> as I understand it, long RSA keys make it proportionately more expensive to theoretically crack with a quantum computer

L9[01:07:00] <Izaya> so that's a route you can take too

L10[01:09:22] <SporkWitch> for single message, perhaps, but the same processing increases that MIGHT make QT actually have to work at it, make it non-viable for most transactional and real-time communications

L11[01:09:58] <Izaya> either way, definitely spooky

L12[01:11:04] <SporkWitch> you're also the first i've heard suggesting that simply using longer keys would actually work. the concern about QT and traditional prime-factoring methods, like RSA, is that QT allows for factoring primes at orders of magnitutde greater speeds

L13[01:11:22] <Izaya> work? no, just make it harder than the next guy

L14[01:11:34] <Izaya> "you don't have to outrun the dinosaur, you just have to outrun your friends"

L15[01:12:00] <SporkWitch> that's the thing, everything i've read or heard on the subject, the difference is a drop in the ocean

L16[01:12:21] <darsie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBLVtCYHVO8

L17[01:12:28] <Izaya> well, I'm not gonna claim I'm well versed in it

L18[01:12:30] <darsie> The Quantum Hype Bubble Is About To Burst

L19[01:12:47] <Izaya> I know people that are into it and get some general ideas by osmosis

L20[01:14:08] <darsie> Sabine says it takes a lot of qbits for certain problems.

L21[01:14:19] <darsie> Which we won't have soon.

L22[01:15:07] <SporkWitch> correct, though again we return to what they're saying publicly has been achieved so far, vs what the various equivalents of DARPA around the world have gotten to

L23[01:16:10] <SporkWitch> i generally subscribe to the philosophy that if the public sector pulled ahead, they'd have gotten a door knock. It's happened before, sometimes successfully, sometimes not.

L24[01:16:59] <SporkWitch> remember also that we're talking about cyrptography; those of us with an interest in it are paranoid by nature lol

L25[01:17:13] <SporkWitch> (though it's also not paranoia if they're really out to get you :P)

L55[11:13:19] <FLHerne> ;mission add Jeb is awarded the Viktoria Cross for extreme bravery. You thought he'd just gone out to buy snacks on his lunch break.

L56[11:13:19] <LunchBot> Added mission: Jeb is awarded the Viktoria Cross for extreme bravery. You thought he'd just gone out to buy snacks on his lunch break.

L61[12:06:21] <funkenstein> ;outcome add Inconceivable!

L62[12:06:21] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Inconceivable!

L63[12:07:44] <funkenstein> ;outcome add You keep using that module. I do not think it serves the the function you think it serves.

L64[12:07:44] <LunchBot> Added outcome: You keep using that module. I do not think it serves the the function you think it serves.

L65[12:08:20] <funkenstein> ;mission

L66[12:08:20] <LunchBot> You devise a music box which plays 4 hours of 80's hits. Kerbin is no more.

L67[12:08:40] <FLHerne> ;outcome add Westley Kerman returns, years later, as the new Dread Pirate Roberts.

L68[12:08:41] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Westley Kerman returns, years later, as the new Dread Pirate Roberts.

L69[12:09:06] <FLHerne> 80s music isn't *that* bad

L70[12:37:12] <Althego> (local) leet time

L71[12:42:24] <Mat2ch> And I still did not have lunch

L76[13:00:07] <FLHerne> !nextlunch

L77[13:00:08] <LunchBot> Tacos.

L78[13:01:47] <Mat2ch> !nela

L79[13:01:48] <Kerbot> Mat2ch => Long March 2F - Shenzhou-15 - Tue Nov 29, 2022 15:10:00 UTC (L-2 days, 02:20:41) - https://rocketlaunch.live/launch/shenzhou-15 for info/stream

L80[13:01:53] <Mat2ch> nah

L81[13:02:07] <Althego> i think there are some chinese things until then

L82[13:02:46] <Althego> no, the chinese was a long march today, already happened

L83[13:02:55] <Althego> there is a russian also today

L84[13:02:58] <Althego> no streams

L96[18:03:57] <funkenstein> and no russian

L98[19:05:18] <Althego> kikkerikii

L99[19:35:54] <umbralraptop> .

L100[19:50:26] <darsie> .

L104[20:04:00] <funkenstein> ;mission

L105[20:04:00] <LunchBot> You flirt shamelessly with Jool during the capture burn. Your slide rule is signed by the president, becoming a slide law.

L106[20:04:08] <funkenstein> ;mission

L107[20:04:08] <LunchBot> You add FOOF to your floof. Deadly Re-entry strikes again.

L108[20:04:43] <funkenstein> floof no longer insulates well enough to facilitate re-entry after the addition of FOOF

L109[20:08:52] <umbralraptop> !outcome floof

L110[20:08:52] <LunchBot> You find yourself feeling floofy, and exothermic.

L111[20:10:09] <Althego> critical hit 109% lol

L114[20:28:31] <funkenstein> ;mission add Keep them occupied! if their controller dies, they won't be able to fight us!

L115[20:28:31] <LunchBot> Added mission: Keep them occupied! if their controller dies, they won't be able to fight us!

L128[21:57:09] <SporkWitch> absolutely ridiculous. 4d 3h 25m from kerbin to eve landing back to kerbin and landed at kerbin lol

L129[21:57:11] <SporkWitch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPLVsZ4W2oU

L131[21:58:07] <FLHerne> what

L132[22:00:35] <SporkWitch> massively excessive ΔV so he could get insanely short transit times lol

L133[22:01:36] <FLHerne> oh, massive ion thrust

L134[22:01:37] <SporkWitch> the recovery lander was also pretty clever but makes sense given Eve's thick atmosphere. he managed to make a helicopter actually work (i've never managed that), so he wouldn't need to waste any of the fuel for the ascent, and wouldn't need to use any fuel for the ascent until the air was too thin

L138[23:02:15] <XXCoder> ;mission

L139[23:02:15] <LunchBot> Bill removes all the control switches for cleaning. Through an oversight they aren't replaced before liftoff. This happens in spite of the fact that C has not yet been invented.

L140[23:02:47] <XXCoder> weird connection but ok

L141[23:03:12] <Izaya> if C had been invented the switches would've been represented by bitfields or whatever you call them