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L2[00:04:29] <darsie> 2849 t launch
mass
L3[00:04:38] <darsie> 2847
L4[00:05:18] <funkenstein> are those the
saturn part? I haven't unlocked those yet
L5[00:06:00] <darsie> Mass in orbit 729
t.
L6[00:06:34] <darsie> All stock parts. Not
sure if any of it is from expansion packs.
L7[00:06:59] <funkenstein> and are those the
largest tanks? I only have the second largest tanks unlocked
L8[00:07:00] <darsie> I have Breaking Ground
and Making History.
L9[00:07:06] <darsie> yes
L10[00:07:10] <darsie> I unlocked
everything.
L11[00:07:15] <funkenstein> that's
why
L12[00:07:29] <funkenstein> I'm struggling
with many many tanks
L13[00:08:35] <darsie> Center engine is a
Rhino.
L14[00:12:23] <darsie> I thought of dumping
the center Vectors after they're no longer needed to save
mass.
L15[00:12:32] <darsie> 16 t
L17[00:36:15] <funkenstein> This is wat I'm
trying to put in orbit, without using the fuel in it
L18[00:36:19] <funkenstein> what*
L19[00:38:16] <funkenstein> also
representative of largenst tank size.
L20[00:38:44] <darsie> ok
L21[00:38:56] <darsie> Have you progessed
beyond that?
L23[00:54:24] <umaxtu> definitely random,
but anyone wants to take a break from KSP for a little while, I
highly recommend Pentiment
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L25[01:26:26] <funkenstein> I did, got
frustrated, restarted
L26[01:28:36] <umaxtu> regarding
pentiment?
L27[01:35:15] <funkenstein> regarding
darsie inquiring about my launch vehicle
L28[01:36:17] <umaxtu> ah
L29[01:37:22] <funkenstein> now it RUDs
when I stage
L30[01:40:54] <umaxtu> thats not good
L31[01:41:12] <Izaya> been playing Delta-V:
Rings of Saturn
L32[01:41:14] <Izaya> it's pretty
neat
L33[01:43:06] <packbart> I just bought
Space Engineers but haven't started it, yet
L34[01:43:31] <umaxtu> its fun
L35[01:44:19] <Izaya> SE is incredibly
frustrating
L36[01:44:45] <Izaya> it gives you what
looks like a tool box but each tool can only do exactly the one
task it was designed for
L37[01:46:09] <packbart> it was either SE
or Satisfactory, I couldn't decide ;)
L38[01:55:18] <umaxtu> you chose...
poorly
L39[01:55:31] *
umaxtu opens the trap door covering the death pit
L40[01:56:07] <packbart> I'll buy it
another day, eventually
L41[01:57:37] <umaxtu> if it was closer to
$10, I'd gift it to you, but I'm not made of money
L42[01:58:44] <packbart> you'd make a
fortune if you were
L43[01:59:00] <umaxtu> at the cost of
dismembering myself
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L45[01:59:52] <packbart> nah, just by being
living money
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L47[02:14:26] <umaxtu> if you haven't
played it already and running windows (I haven't tried running it
on linux) Star Wars Squadrons is free on the Epic Game Store right
now
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L59[06:13:57] <Izaya> I like the big
truck
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L70[09:38:48] <Izaya> I get it
L71[09:38:56] <Izaya> the ships in dV:
Rings of Saturn
L72[09:39:24] <Izaya> they're not the KSP
(and real life style) "we'll build a ship around an
engine" that tends to come up with nuclear rocket
designs
L73[09:39:54] <Izaya> they're more like
"here's a flexible reactor and a frame to mount stuff on, you
can make it into a thermal rocket"
L74[09:40:13] <Izaya> very neat
L75[09:40:25] <Izaya> seems like something
one could do with system heat and kOS
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L85[12:37:08] <Althego> local leet
time
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L88[14:07:08] <Deddly> I'm so glad you keep
us up to date, Althego. Otherwise that landmark would pass me by
unnoticed every day ;)
L89[14:07:27] <Althego> most of the time i
miss it
L90[14:16:36] <Deddly> You could always go
for (Local +x) leet time
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L95[16:12:17] <Althego> kikkerikii
L97[16:29:35] <packbart> it's always leet
time somewhere
L98[16:37:00] <sandbox> somewhere other
than here
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L101[16:41:00] <packbart> The author
doesn't believe in daylight savings
L102[16:44:11] <sandbox> does Mars have
seasons?
L103[16:44:17] <Althego> yes
L104[16:45:11] <Althego> quite complicated
even, because not only has its orbital tilt which is similar to
earth's, but also has a somewhat more eccentric orbit, so the
combination of the two gives you the effect of the sun
L105[16:45:55] <Althego> which ultimately
can cause seasonal growing and shrinking of the polar icecaps,
changing the pressure of the atmosphere, and also resulting in
planet-wide dust storms
L106[16:53:57] <sandbox> I have a feeling
I've asked that question before
L107[17:15:51] *
umbralraptop wants to say that a big effect is that there are
bigger temperature swings in the southern hemisphere than the
northern hemisphere over the course of a martian year
L108[18:15:22] <funkenstein>
;mission
L109[18:15:22] <LunchBot> You taunt Happy
Fun Ball. You are abducted by Greys.
L110[18:18:55] <funkenstein>
;mission
L111[18:18:55] <LunchBot> You put a plane
inside your plane so you can crash while you crash. Wernher von
Kerman orders Bob to buy him a dozen brattwursts on the way back
from the supermarket.
L112[18:23:08] <Althego> one t in
bratwurst
L113[18:23:27] <Althego> unless it wants
to be some kind of pun
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L115[18:57:44] <umbralraptop> I'm pretty
sure it's not supposed to be a pun
L116[19:03:54] <darsie> Maybe a
contraction of Brad and Pitt.
L117[19:36:09] <packbart> !outcome fixup
s/brattw/bratw/
L118[19:36:09] <LunchBot> New text is:
Wernher von Kerman orders Bob to buy him a dozen bratwursts on the
way back from the supermarket.
L119[19:37:01] <packbart> !mission
L120[19:37:01] <LunchBot> You go back in
time to save the mother of the man who defeats the robot uprising.
Fred is bemused with everyone's sensitivity to a little
gamma.
L121[19:37:30] <packbart> wait. is Fred
the man or the mother or an uprising robot?
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L123[19:57:07] <transhumanist> Hi! how do
I go about getting a copy of KSP?
L124[19:57:27] <transhumanist> I need to
get steam first?
L126[19:58:54] <Althego> these stores are
all separate
L127[20:00:14] <transhumanist> ok
thanks
L128[20:00:53] <SporkWitch> i generally
recommend steam, as cloud saves are convenient (and OS-agnostic,
I'm pretty sure, if you switch between linux and windows
machines)
L129[20:00:55] <transhumanist> installing
steam
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L131[20:01:49] <transhumanist> easier than
I thought
L132[20:01:57] <SporkWitch> also note that
KSP2 is entering early access in february, so keep that in mind.
Absolutely still worth picking up the original, as it'll be some
time before all features are enabled in KSP2 and it will only be
basic sandbox at initial release, just wanted you to be aware to
avoid potential frustration
L133[20:02:28] <transhumanist> will models
put in original not work in KSP2 automatically
L134[20:03:06] <SporkWitch> someone might
make a tool to convert them, but i haven't heard any mention of
plans to allow that, but probably not.
L135[20:04:23] <SporkWitch> They're doing
a new system from the ground up, to allow more complex vehicles,
while also reducing total part counts, by making extensive use of
procedural parts. I think they're also completely tossing the old
tree-based structure for storing vessel data, so you can have more
complex attachments, and also allowing you to save a
"workspace" rather than a single vehicle or subassembly.
As they've
L136[20:04:50] <SporkWitch> desscribed,
you'll be able to have multiple, separate vehicles being worked on
at once in the VAB screen, and be able to save all of them as a
single "workspace" to load in later
L137[20:07:29] <transhumanist> oh my , its
only 10 bucks now, even I can afford that
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L139[20:12:17] <darsie> Can transhumanist
be a friend of someone who has KSP on steam and play that?
L140[20:12:47] <darsie> Maybe black friday
price.
L141[20:12:59] <Althego> hah there is a
huge discount now
L142[20:13:01] <transhumanist> nah not
necessary $20 bucks for the the full thing I can swing
L143[20:13:16] <transhumanist> wish it was
the second version though
L144[20:13:58] <SporkWitch> darsie: family
sharing is just that, for allowing FAMILY members / people in the
same household to share just as if it were a physical copy. Sharing
outside of those parameters is tantamount to piracy
L145[20:14:31] <transhumanist> darsie, I
am in the middle of doing a evolutionary 3d simulation (CFM ) of a
new type of heat exchanger , which is why I didnt purchase it a few
months ago
L146[20:15:06] <transhumanist> was dumping
all my money in that ( money being scarce and all)
L147[20:15:55] <transhumanist> thanks for
the offer of help though
L148[20:16:06] <darsie> FAMILY members and
or or people in the same household?
L149[20:21:46] <transhumanist> downloading
it now, thanks darsie
L150[20:21:54] <darsie> .
L151[20:41:41] <transhumanist> any
recommendations for addins for celestial bodies and for
starship?
L152[20:42:21] <umbralraptop> depends on
what you're doing, though I'd legit suggest messing around with
stock for a bit
L153[20:42:23] <SporkWitch> i recommend
only doing graphics and some quality of life mods to start while
you're learning. more extensive stuff adds a LOT of parts and
complex systems quickly
L154[20:42:56] <SporkWitch> dated
quicksave is a big and super-helpful one, as it makes it so f5
creates NEW quicksaves rather than overwriting the previous, very
handy
L155[20:43:10] <transhumanist> ok
thanks
L156[20:43:42] <funkenstein>
https://imgur.com/a/9mFrcTf first time sending a
landing stage that will rendezvous with the transport vehicle to
return to the launch site
L157[20:43:44] <SporkWitch> EVE,
planetshine, parallax, realplume, distant object enhancement for
graphics, waterfall as well though some engines caused performance
issues with my old GTX1060; 3080 is doing just fine
L158[20:44:15] <funkenstein> I can't
figure out how to make fuel transfer though, it it because I'm
connecting at the cockpits?
L159[20:44:33] <SporkWitch> there's also
an enhanced maneuver node one i like that adds an explicit
"create at periapsis/apoapsis" when clicking near it, so
you can more easily get it right where you want it instead of
eyeballing it
L160[20:44:38] <funkenstein> also I can't
seem to mod my steam instance
L161[20:45:29] <SporkWitch> funkenstein:
as long as the components between the docking port and the tank all
have crossfeed enabled, it'll pass. I recommend Ship Manifest for
those kinds of interactions as it's a much better interface than
the stock
L162[20:45:38] <SporkWitch> why can't you
mod your steam instance? O.o
L163[20:46:22] <funkenstein> I don't know,
I added mods with curseforge and one said it installed but i don't
see it and then the others don't work
L164[20:46:35] <SporkWitch> i much prefer
CKAN for KSP
L165[20:46:47] <SporkWitch> i don't like
curse / vortex, find it rarely works right
L166[20:47:08] <funkenstein> I only
stopped with ckan because it wasn't working
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L168[20:54:12] <funkenstein> now it says
no version s of any of the near-future mods are compatible with kmy
version
L169[20:54:19] <funkenstein> the chris
adderley ones
L170[20:55:41] <Pinkbeast> If you are
unwise enough to use Steam - or something else that can scribble on
your install - keep a complete copy and play/mod that
L171[21:04:38] <Althego> guh
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L173[21:18:33] <SporkWitch> funkenstein:
you just need to override the version; not everything's had its max
version updated to include x.x.4
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L176[22:21:42] <Deddly> funkenstein, great
to see a new KSP player in here. It's a special game and I hope you
love it as much as we all do. Since you have KSP on steam, the best
advice you can get right now is to copy the KSP directory to
another location and play it OUTSIDE of Steam if you are using
mods. Otherwise, a future unexpected KSP update could accidentally
mess up your mods.
L177[22:22:29] <Deddly> Happens to some
poor unsuspecting soul with every. single. update.
L178[22:26:15] <Pinkbeast> (FWIW
funkenstein has been here since July)
L179[22:26:35] <umbralraptop>
s/funkenstein/transhumanist/ mostly
L180[22:26:55] <funkenstein> still rather
nooby though
L181[22:28:55] <transhumanist> I used the
stock for a couple hours , now am installing SpaceDock but it seems
to choke during pip install -r requirements.txt on uWSGI is there
an easy fix says errror: legacy-install failure
L182[22:30:03] <transhumanist> @Deddly got
direcctions on how to play external to steam?
L183[22:30:37] <funkenstein> I was about
to ask the samething
L184[22:31:26] <SporkWitch> CKAN's
generally easier, and literally all you have to do is just copy the
folder from your steam library directory. KSP doesn't use DRM, so
technically you don't even need to use their launcher, you can
launch it directly from the executable, or the launch button in
CKAN
L185[22:34:01] <Pinkbeast> Just copy the
entire directory and never touch the copy Steam can scribble
on
L186[22:35:25] <SporkWitch> CKAN can also
conveniently copy instances for you and manage multiple at a time;
makes it easy to switch between conflicting mod configurations, as
well as testing mod packs you haven't decided you want to keep,
keeping your current saves and ships without risking screwing with
them
L187[22:37:50] <transhumanist> should i be
using the docker image for spacedock?
L188[22:38:05] <SporkWitch> couldn't say;
i use CKAN, not spacedock
L189[22:38:23] <transhumanist> so do all
the plugins that work with spacedock work with CKAN?
L190[22:38:58] <SporkWitch> sometimes one
or the other gets updated first, but most stuff that's actually
maintained is on CKAN, can't speak to spacedock.
L191[22:39:11] <transhumanist> ok thanks
for the tip
L192[23:01:45] <packbart> "now am
installing SpaceDock" - hm. are you sure that isn't the
website code?
L193[23:02:12] <packbart> I don't think
there's an app for that
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L197[23:11:05] <transhumanist> its ok
packbart, figured out the easier way
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L200[23:20:45] <transhumanist> how do i
get mods in CKAN to go from cache to actually installed?
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L204[23:35:13] <transhumanist> I take it
if a plugin isnt listed as supported for KSP version there is no
way to alter the KSP version used in CKAN to be compatable with the
plugins?
L205[23:35:26] <SporkWitch> there is
L206[23:35:53] <transhumanist> would you
have a document on how to do this by chance? thanks
L207[23:35:54] <SporkWitch> Settings →
Compatible Game Versions
L208[23:36:37] <transhumanist> that did it
! thanks
L209[23:36:39] <SporkWitch> You can't do
it on a per-mod basis in CKAN, you're telling it to override what
versions it considers it compatible with, e.g. if the mod says it
only works on max 1.9.x, you have to add 1.9.x to the compatible
list
L210[23:38:06] <X> I just want KSP2
already so I can speed up while using an ion engine.
L211[23:38:27] <SporkWitch> X:
alt+<period>
L212[23:38:44] <SporkWitch> not sure if it
requires better time warp or if they added it to stock as well, but
that will force physics warp while in vacuum
L213[23:39:41] <SporkWitch> better time
warp mod WILL allow you to do higher multipliers, though obviously
with physics warp you need to be careful, definitely make a
quicksave before starting physics timewarp in case of kraken
attacks
L214[23:54:40] <Izaya> you can force it if
you go into the versions panel on the right per mod, IIRC