OCLogs: 2022-10-29.log

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L20[07:39:18] <NGC3982> so, about 2000 hours in i think i can properly review ksp now

L21[07:39:48] <NGC3982> for a game that allows you to play 2000 hours and still enjoy it, it's actually a pretty short game

L22[07:39:57] <Althego> hehe

L23[07:40:16] <Althego> i think there is too much science in the kerbin soi with its too moons for the size of the tech tree

L24[07:40:27] <NGC3982> yes

L25[07:40:38] <NGC3982> the obvoius solution would be a bigger tech tree

L26[07:40:40] <Althego> you can relatvely easily complete the tree

L27[07:40:44] <Althego> yes

L28[07:40:58] <Althego> tyhere are mods for this

L29[07:41:03] <NGC3982> yes, second time around a science run can fill the tree in like four launches

L30[07:41:05] <Izaya> Far Future Technologies wants to know your location

L31[07:41:40] <NGC3982> afaik the game doesnt support adding items in the tech tree as mods, right?

L32[07:41:59] <Izaya> it does

L33[07:42:13] <Izaya> look into Community Tech Tree

L34[07:42:25] <NGC3982> also, a solar system should be realistic of course, but 100+ more planets and moons would be nice (even though that would entail extra-solar travel which is also nice but something completely different)

L35[07:43:03] <NGC3982> one thing that ive noticed for myself is that after so many hours in the game i dont really fancy the non-productive launches anymore. like, building a big ass space station doesn't do much for me

L36[07:43:36] <Althego> i find space stations useless

L37[07:43:45] <Izaya> I like getting paid to build stations and bases

L38[07:43:53] <Althego> or rather with very little utility compared to how hard they are to put there

L39[07:44:03] <NGC3982> exactly

L40[07:44:22] <NGC3982> and when it's not even hard to put them out there anymore it doesnt do much for me

L41[07:44:38] <Althego> you can pump out infinite science from them but that is just making the problems worse

L42[07:44:48] <NGC3982> yeah, that just elevates the problem

L43[07:44:49] <Izaya> my Mun station is a lot more useful than my LKO stations, but they make money so \o/

L44[07:45:27] <NGC3982> i shouldnt really call it a problem because all games have their end

L45[07:45:33] <NGC3982> and i have perhaps reached it

L46[07:45:44] * NGC3982 really, really wants a new ksp game

L47[07:45:50] <Althego> soon tm

L48[07:45:58] <Althego> i really hope ksp2 is not steam only

L49[07:46:01] <NGC3982> is there a date?

L50[07:46:25] <Althego> they mentioned something about publicly available pre release thing next year

L51[07:46:49] <NGC3982> everything about it doesnt sound that good tbh

L52[07:47:22] <NGC3982> not hard to diagnose development hell reading ksp2 twitter news

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L54[08:08:26] <Althego> kikkerikii but it is rebroadcast

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L64[13:49:43] <packbart> !mission

L65[13:49:43] <LunchBot> You launch a mission to retrieve a surface sample from Jool. You are ambushed by a lone kerbal you left there several decades ago.

L66[13:50:14] <packbart> welp, they survived on Jool. that's like 6 stars?

L67[13:51:13] <packbart> !mission

L68[13:51:13] <LunchBot> You shake hands with Danger Kerman. You are banned from the only internet cafe in the city for vulgarity.

L69[13:51:41] <packbart> what the ***!!1 why did these *** ban me?!

L70[13:52:45] <Althego> hehe the chuck norris of kerbals

L71[15:01:41] <raptop> (and yes, that's an intentional reference to a safety video/music thing)

L72[15:06:56] <Althego> which one?

L73[15:08:06] <Althego> you cant beat staplerfahrer klaus in funny safety videos

L74[15:10:03] <Althego> ah i see shake gands with danger

L75[15:21:03] <raptop> yeah

L76[15:23:11] <ZLSA> > i dont really fancy the non-productive launches anymore. like, building a big ass space station doesn't do much for me

L77[15:23:14] <ZLSA> what does this say about the ISS :P

L78[15:23:49] <raptop> F

L79[15:24:09] <raptop> wait, I have to enforce the language rule

L80[15:24:35] <raptop> Anyway, the ISS did at least get us AMS-2 and the commercial cargo/crew programs

L81[15:25:28] <raptop> Dunno that the knowledge of how to run a station long term or on-orbit assembly got well distributed outside of NASA/roscosmos, though

L82[15:26:53] <ZLSA> my uneducated opinion: ISS was good, it's now too expensive and too much of a timesink to be valuable

L83[15:27:11] <ZLSA> fund commercial station development (which is FINALLY happening) and abandon/deorbit the ISS as soon as possible

L84[15:28:06] <raptop> If downmass capability grows rapidly enough, bringing some parts back for study or into a museum could be worthwhile. But yeah, it needs to be dropped at some point.

L85[15:28:24] <raptop> And, well, part of the political reasons for it are breaking down

L86[16:07:51] <SporkWitch> better plan: put the ISS up for auction

L87[16:08:15] <SporkWitch> recoup a bit of the money, and potentially see it restored for further service

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L89[16:08:52] <raptop> Sure, though you'll need to have plans for no one bidding and for someone buying but not following through on operating or deorbiting it

L90[16:09:20] <SporkWitch> granted, but it's worth a try, and we can still deorbit if necessary

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