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L28[07:10:11] <funkenstein> ;mission add
The Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s.
L29[07:10:11] <LunchBot> Added mission: The
Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s.
L30[07:10:47] <funkenstein> or is that an
outcome
L31[07:10:49] <funkenstein> hmm
L32[07:24:59] <XXCoder> outcome yeah
L33[07:25:04] <XXCoder> ;mission
L34[07:25:05] <LunchBot> You repeatedly
press the big red button. Inexplicably, this causes millions of
cheese wheels to rain from the heavens while a disembodied voice
laughs uproariously.
L35[07:25:15] <XXCoder> totally not me! I
swear
L36[07:38:21] <Izaya> hmmm
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L38[07:38:56] <Izaya> so ISRU in KSP is
mostly in the form of "dig up ore, turn straight into RP-1 and
LOX"
L39[07:39:40] <Izaya> is "dig up ore,
turn it into water for more dense storage, electrolyse it at a
later date" an option in a mod somewhere?
L40[07:40:49] <Izaya> also like, not having
it boil off
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L45[08:39:55] <packbart> probably, yes.
ISRU chains can be problematic (need large enough buffers)
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L56[10:08:54] <funkenstein> ;outcome add
The Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s.
L57[10:08:55] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The
Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s.
L58[10:09:04] <funkenstein> ;mission del
The Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at 8km/s.
L59[10:09:04] <LunchBot> Deleted mission:
"The Queen is yeeted off of the surface of the earth at
8km/s."
L61[10:15:17] <funkenstein> alright, shall
I start using literally to mean figurativley because it's outdated
as well?
L62[10:15:30] <funkenstein>
figuratively*
L63[10:23:48] <darsie> Hmm? Someone said:
"She literally broke my heart." I asked: "Did she
rip it out of your chest, froze it in liquid nitrogen and broke it
with a hammer?"
L64[10:24:02] <Althego> hehe
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L67[10:42:40] <FLHerne> darsie: that's
pretty much happened
L68[10:42:46] <FLHerne> "Nelson froze
a six-year-old boy in 1974. The capsule itself was well maintained
by the boy’s father, but when it was opened, the boy’s body was
found to be cracked."
L69[10:43:16] <FLHerne> cryonics is
aaaaagh
L70[10:43:32] <darsie> There's a new,
promising way.
L71[10:43:49] <FLHerne> oh?
L72[10:44:32] <darsie> Mind uploading
L78[10:44:43] <FLHerne> I can imagine
freezing tissues or even entire bodies successfully with
sufficiently advanced technology
L79[10:45:10] <FLHerne> but I'm very
skeptical about preserving brain state
L80[10:50:08] <FLHerne> even if you
successfully preserve the hardware (neurons, connectivity etc.)
you'll lose any information about electrical and chemical
signalling
L81[10:51:31] <Pinkbeast> mind
uploading> the Rapture for nerds?
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L83[10:55:41] <darsie> FLHerne: Yeah, there
might be a few h blackout or so.
L84[10:56:39] <FLHerne> if it boots up at
all
L85[10:56:57] <darsie> it does after
cooling the body.
L86[10:57:00] <FLHerne> I doubt brains are
designed to reinitialise from being temporarily dead
L87[10:57:52] <FLHerne> but in that case
the cells are still alive and functioning
L88[10:58:44] <FLHerne> the cooling slows
down the metabolism so they don't run out of oxygen and die, but
most mechanisms are still active to a degree
L89[10:58:57] <FLHerne> it's not the same
as being frozen
L90[10:59:13] <FLHerne> it's true that you
can apparently freeze rodents and have them run around afterward
though
L91[10:59:23] <darsie> We have to
try.
L92[10:59:33] <FLHerne> so maybe it would
work, but it's hard to tell if rodents have memory loss
L93[10:59:48] <darsie> I want to be
cryopreserved in Shackleton crater or so.
L94[10:59:54] <FLHerne> Why?
L95[11:00:08] <darsie> It's cold there,
passively. No maintenence needed.
L96[11:00:10] <Althego> because it is on
the moon
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L98[11:00:16] <darsie> yeah :)
L99[11:03:05] <darsie> I guess we'd have to
lay 10 km cable to power the excavator/bulldozer for radiation
shielding.
L100[11:08:35] <darsie> Maybe drill a hole
and blow up a charge to loosen some rubble.
L101[11:11:00] <darsie> There are probably
small craters there which's rims can be bulldozed back in.
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L103[12:02:36] <funkenstein> if there were
repeated cases of it working I'd be happy to be frozen, but
otherwise I'd rather feed other lifeforms.
L104[12:04:50] <Althego> if there was an
example of successful reanimation of that frozen state, in any form
(includes with body, in a robot body or as a computer ai with your
memories), then you wouldnt need to freeze yourself anyway
L105[12:05:01] <Althego> because it is
just a way to delay
L106[12:08:06] <Pinkbeast> It's not quite
clear where the line is, but I'm pretty sure a computer AI with my
memories is all very well but I'd still be dead.
L107[12:08:46] <darsie> You'd just live in
a different simulation.
L108[12:08:59] <darsie> Well, if you lived
in VR.
L109[12:10:37] <funkenstein> a
simulation...INSIDE a simuklation
L110[12:10:49] <darsie> Althego: I'm not
sure but "freezing" (vitrification, actually, (turning
into a glassy state), not freezing as in crystals grow and destroy
information.) might be required for scanning.
L111[12:11:03] <funkenstein> eyah
L112[12:11:05] <Althego> that is
possible
L113[12:11:23] <Althego> but even then it
would be just for the scanning
L114[12:11:26] <Althego> and not for
years
L115[12:13:17] <darsie> But we don't have
hte scanning tech, yet, so freezing is needed for preservation.
Allegedly the glutaraldehyde/cryoprotectant preservation is
relatively resiliant at room temperature and even thawing, but I
prefer freezing.
L116[12:13:55] <Althego> and anyway this
is quite close to the transporter paradox
L117[12:14:08] <Althego> that the new
thing is never you, the original you died
L118[12:14:15] <darsie> Transporter
paradox who?
L119[12:14:22] <darsie> hmm
L120[12:14:48] <darsie> ah
L121[12:16:09] <darsie> If an AI moves to
a different but equal hardware, is it a different AI?
L122[12:16:28] <Althego> possibly not, if
the software can run on that
L123[12:16:39] <Althego> but we run on
brain wetware
L124[12:16:39] <darsie> equal
hardware
L125[12:17:01] <Pinkbeast> The trouble is
we're used to thinking about this in the context of computer
programs, and sure, same software on new hardware is the same for
everyone who interacts with it.
L126[12:17:11] <Althego> anything else can
be considered emulation
L127[12:17:20] <darsie> Yeah, it won't be
perfect. There might be headache and stuff.
L128[12:17:45] <Pinkbeast> The copy of me
can be me from the point of view of everyone else, and if my loved
ones want to run it, go them. But I strongly suspect _I_ will still
be dead.
L129[12:18:20] <darsie> My old body will
turn to mystery goo.
L130[12:18:22] <Althego> and that is the
transporter paradox, the original always dies
L131[12:19:27] <funkenstein> 170+ Kirks
agree
L132[12:19:43] <darsie> Do you know the
feeling when you get new glasses? Kinda like that, roughly.
L133[12:19:51] <Althego> hehe
L134[12:20:26] <Althego> i havent gotten
glasses yet, but the time is nearing
L135[12:21:43] <darsie> That's different
from myopia glasses. You wear them all the time, and new ones are a
little different and it feels weird.
L136[12:22:58] *
darsie throws the end of a carrot out the window.
L137[12:23:03] <darsie> casually
L138[12:29:39] <Pinkbeast> ... at the same
time it's easy to come up with grey area arguments (what if you
replace all the atoms in my body slowly? How slowly?) which are
difficult to refute without spooky mind-body dualism
L139[12:31:03] <Althego> you always
replace all your atoms slowly
L140[12:31:20] <Althego> you are not an
object
L141[12:31:24] <Althego> you are a
wave
L142[12:31:41] <Pinkbeast> Indeed - which
opens the door to grey area arguments about them being replaced
more quickly
L143[12:31:45] <Althego> the wave
propagates, but the molecules in the water largely stay in the same
position
L144[12:31:54] <Althego> you live, but the
atoms are not actually you
L145[12:32:10] <Pinkbeast> I would say I
am an emergent property of the atoms
L146[12:32:19] <Althego> yes, can be
L147[12:32:59] <Pinkbeast> ...
particularly, we are now approaching the idea that "me"
is not in any way tied to this chunk of meat, but I still think I
am dead in the transporter paradox
L148[12:34:37] <Althego> possibly because
there is a discontinuity
L149[12:36:53] <Pinkbeast> IDK. What I'm
saying is that while I _think_ emulating me doesn't do me any good,
I recognise that there are weaknesses in that position and I could
well be wrong
L150[12:37:34] <Pinkbeast> (I don't think
that's probable _enough_ to, say, have my brain frozen on the
offchance a thousand years from now someone turns the resulting
grey mush into an emulation of me)
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L153[12:40:32] <Althego> "Luminous
beings are we, not this crude matter." - yoda
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L166[13:01:00] <sandbox> software
L167[13:01:52] <UmbralRaptop> aaaaa?
L168[13:03:36] <sandbox> "Luminous
beings" = software
L169[13:03:40] <sandbox> "crude
matter" = hardware
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L174[13:20:45] <Izaya> this explains why
peopole are so flaky
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L178[13:35:40] <packbart> !mission
L179[13:35:40] <LunchBot> You attempt to
do the munwalk on Minmus. Francis E Dec writes an accurate summary
of your exploits.
L180[13:36:02] <packbart> Stop harassing
me electronically, Francis
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L185[13:44:23] <SporkWitch> i'm not sure
that rocket could look more phallic if they tried... lol
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L187[13:46:19] <packbart> BDFP in
space
L188[13:47:54] <SporkWitch> lol
L189[13:48:37] <SporkWitch> hold cleared,
T-14 minutes
L190[13:55:51] <SporkWitch> mission go
confirmed; T-7m
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L193[14:12:29] <SporkWitch> o/
L195[14:13:21] <Althego> yes,
noticed
L196[14:13:43] <SporkWitch> just reposted
since rap just joined
L197[14:14:19] <SporkWitch> seriously,
though, i have never seen a rocket more phallic outside of that one
show on the TV in GTA5 that INTENTIONALLY makes it look like
that... lol
L198[14:14:59] <Althego> there is the
rocket in austin powers
L199[14:15:12] <SporkWitch> okay, so two,
that did it on purpose lol
L200[14:15:56] <packbart> Design by
Bezos
L201[14:15:59] <SporkWitch> i just can't
unsee it, especially with that payload capsule that's just slightly
wider than the booster lol
L202[14:17:24] <Althego> scott manley made
a video on its shape, and why it looks like that
L203[14:18:33] <SporkWitch> was the answer
"because bezos is overcompensating?" lol
L205[14:23:17] <SporkWitch> hold cleared,
T-3m
L206[14:27:55] <SporkWitch> they're just
messing with me now, with this chick emphasizing the
"ass" when she says "ascent" >_<
lol
L207[14:28:08] <Althego> escape system
activated
L208[14:28:35] <SporkWitch> yeah,
something went wrong lol
L209[14:28:43] <packbart> the ass scent of
a rocket ascent if often a bit of raw
L210[14:28:57] <packbart> dang, I missed
it
L211[14:29:15] <SporkWitch> separation
occurred before max q lol
L212[14:29:19] <SporkWitch> gg bezos
L213[14:29:44] <Althego> also the flames
were behaving strangle at the bottom just before the escape rocket
kicked in
L214[14:29:58] <Althego> so there might
have been an issue with the booster, not an escape system
failure
L215[14:30:29] <SporkWitch> one could say
there was a premature ejection... lol
L216[14:31:54] <Althego> i jokingly call
these "kilövellés" instead of "kilövés",
similar words, but the latter is the correct one, the former
suggests some kind of liquid shooting out
L217[14:32:08] <SporkWitch> lol
L218[14:33:11] <SporkWitch> all that
build-up, finished too quick, and then immediately hiding in shame
ahahahah
L219[14:33:16] <Althego> hehe
L220[14:33:30] <SporkWitch> i can't help
it, it's just too many things, the jokes write themselves!
lol
L221[14:34:37] <SporkWitch> and then he
gets pissy that his phallic substitute didn't get the HLS contract;
i wonder why. Have they even made orbit? I'm only finding stuff
about suborbital hops
L222[14:37:15] <SporkWitch> just rewatched
the malfunction, looked like maybe a rupture at the bottom,
possibly the engine bell cracking?
L223[14:37:31] <Izaya> average amazon
product
L224[14:37:47] <packbart> yeah, there were
two puffs first, then the rupture
L225[14:38:09] <SporkWitch> and is it just
me or is that nozzle MASSIVELY underexpanded? the plume is like
three times the radius of the bell, really inefficient
L226[14:39:36] <packbart> "Four years
later in 2016, the escape system was successfully tested in-flight
at the point of highest dynamic pressure as the vehicle reached
transonic velocity." - well, it had to be recertified after
all those years, anyway
L227[14:39:50] <Althego> hehe
L228[14:40:01] <Althego> how do you know
that the solid booster is still working?
L229[14:40:06] <Althego> you have to light
it
L230[14:41:03] <SporkWitch> set it to 0.25
speed, i think the engine bell broke; you see the plume change
shape and run rich on one side before it all goes nuts
L231[14:42:47] <Althego> another scott
video
L232[14:42:54] <Althego> at leats he has
too make one after this
L234[14:44:44] <Kalpa> Some nice g-forces
on the emergency separation
L235[14:45:26] <SporkWitch> it's a
premature ejection, kalpa, get it right :P
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L237[14:45:46] <Kalpa> Matter
ejaculator?
L238[14:45:49] <Kalpa> Tsk, tsk.
L239[14:49:14] <SporkWitch> this has
definitely made my monday heh
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L254[16:28:02] <SporkWitch> raptop must be
in california, the way his connection's flapping :P
L255[16:33:37] <SporkWitch> wellp, scott's
video is out, and he's come to the same conclusion i did, pretty
much
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L259[16:46:15] <Mat2ch> probably an
imperial unit error ;P
L260[16:53:41] <funkenstein> aaugh I
missed it
L261[16:57:15] <funkenstein> ;outcome add
You design a rocket motor whicch burns nothing but the engine
itself.
L262[16:57:15] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
You design a rocket motor whicch burns nothing but the engine
itself.
L263[16:57:40] <Izaya> ;outcome engine
rich exhaust
L264[16:57:40] <LunchBot> No outcome found
matching "engine rich exhaust".
L265[16:57:43] <Izaya> ;outcome
engine-rich exhaust
L266[16:57:43] <LunchBot> No outcome found
matching "engine-rich exhaust".
L267[16:58:09] <SporkWitch> ;outcome fixup
s/whicch/which/
L268[16:58:10] <LunchBot> New text is: You
design a rocket motor which burns nothing but the engine
itself.
L269[16:59:37] <packbart> isn't that
basically a solid motor?
L270[17:05:29] <funkenstein> ye-es but I
didn't mean that to be the idea
L271[17:05:32] <funkenstein>
whatever
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L275[17:18:16] <Izaya> if your SRB is
burning the whole SRB, something has gone wrong
L276[17:19:05] <SporkWitch> trying to be
environmentally conscious, no waste! lol
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L297[18:32:57] <raptop> !mission add In a
fit of hunger, you devour a barbeque roll.
L298[18:32:57] <LunchBot> Added mission:
In a fit of hunger, you devour a barbeque roll.
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L332[22:10:28] ***
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comicsansgreenkirby
L333[22:12:47] <packbart> In a fit of
thirst, you drink a whole barrel of roll.
L334[22:12:56] <packbart> !mission
L335[22:12:56] <LunchBot> You go
tidal-wave-surfing. Upon pressing the mission button, a pie pops
out and hits you in the face.
L336[22:13:38] <packbart> well, it washes
off. eventually.
L337[22:21:28] <SporkWitch> so i have the
top comment on scott's video about the NS-23 abort, does that mean
i win the internet today? lol
L338[22:22:26] *
raptop awards SporkWitch one (1) internet
L339[22:22:31] <SporkWitch> yay!
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