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L2[00:13:14] <SporkWitch> and the jerk
doesn't even say what it is! lol
L3[00:16:54] <XXCoder> "powered by
moardv's avonics systen"
L4[00:17:48] <SporkWitch> another part
mentions mk2 enhancement, then one of the comments is saying its
his own custom mod lol
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L6[00:18:09] <SporkWitch> that cockpit is
amazing, though
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L8[00:19:52] <XXCoder> v 1.3?.3?.20134
L9[00:20:01] <XXCoder> ? is unsure
L11[00:20:34] <XXCoder> oh few seconds
later you get even better view
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L13[00:21:00] <XXCoder> m2k-cockpot m2k
25.12.2021 next part is same as what I said
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L31[04:41:27] <funkenstein> ;outcome add
Your controller has been disconnected.
L32[04:41:27] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Your controller has been disconnected.
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L35[05:53:00] <funkenstein> ;MISSION
L36[05:53:07] <funkenstein> ;mission
L37[05:53:07] <LunchBot> You steal your
sister's hair bleach to make mono-propellant for your rocket. kmath
despairs at your choices and resets its database.
L38[05:53:48] <XXCoder> lol
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L56[08:50:34] <funkenstein> ;mission add
You witness a rather disturbing incident involving an eggplant and
a balloon.
L57[08:50:34] <LunchBot> Added mission: You
witness a rather disturbing incident involving an eggplant and a
balloon.
L59[08:51:11] <funkenstein> the best part
is this is from a childhood cartoon
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L65[09:24:30] <funkenstein> ;mission add
Jeb's spray-paint powered EVA pack leads to some questionable
markings on the exterior of your vessel.
L66[09:24:30] <LunchBot> Added mission:
Jeb's spray-paint powered EVA pack leads to some questionable
markings on the exterior of your vessel.
L67[09:34:08] <XXCoder> ;mission
L68[09:34:09] <LunchBot> You switch your
grid fins from rectangular to polar coordinates. Quantum Gravity
glances sharply in your direction and demands to know what you
think you are doing.
L69[09:34:31] <XXCoder> yeah, thats
dangerous. even physics got concerned
L70[09:41:21] <funkenstein> ;mission
L71[09:41:21] <LunchBot> You confuse
brachistochrone and brachiosaur trajectories. The Great Will Of The
Macrocosm reverts the mission to launchpad.
L72[09:41:45] <funkenstein> AND RIGHTLY
So
L73[09:43:43] <FLHerne> ;stupid add You
settle the question of "best space YouTube personality"
with a build-and-pilot-your-own-rocket competition.
L74[09:43:43] <LunchBot> Added stupid
quote: You settle the question of "best space YouTube
personality" with a build-and-pilot-your-own-rocket
competition.
L75[09:43:50] <FLHerne> bleh
L76[09:44:06] <XXCoder> ;stupid
L77[09:44:06] <LunchBot> Russia's Ministry
of Foreign Affairs tweeted: "It is of particular worry that
all the bodies of the people whose images have been published by
the Kiev regime are not stiffened after at least four
days."
L78[09:44:26] <XXCoder> huh ok
L79[09:44:34] <FLHerne> switched the one I
just added to ;mission, obviously
L80[09:44:44] <FLHerne> hm, that's an
unusually grim ;stupid
L81[09:44:45] <FLHerne> ;stupid
L82[09:44:45] <LunchBot> "It is
estimated that the structure above the lap joint rose by some 0.75
m. This structure, with its associated burden, was estimated to
weigh around 5000 tonnes."
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L85[09:44:51] <funkenstein> ;grim
L86[09:44:55] <funkenstein> lo,l.
L87[09:45:03] <FLHerne> LunchBot is in a
bad mood today, it seems
L88[09:45:03] <LunchBot> I am a bot
operated by FLHerne. Try
!{nextlunch,lunch,lunchmode,nextbook,book,answer,8ball,mission,outcome,stupid,colloid,nextcolloid,colloid²,nextfrog,frog,rocks,space!,nextbankruptcy,bankruptcy,nextpinecone,nextyear,nextfire,banlist,help}
help.
L89[09:45:06] <FLHerne> doh
L90[09:45:18] <XXCoder> ;nextyear
L91[09:45:19] <LunchBot> 2023
L92[09:45:24] <XXCoder> very helpful
L93[09:45:31] <Izaya> ;nextpinecone
L94[09:45:31] <LunchBot> Orbbfrggg PN2 |
New Year pinecone boogaloo - NET 2022-01-01T00:14:00Z
L95[09:45:33] <XXCoder> I thought it would
be 2025
L96[09:45:55] <funkenstein> ;8ball
L97[09:45:56] <LunchBot> The answer is
protected by ITAR.
L98[09:46:30] <FLHerne> ;8ball Is this bot
useful?
L99[09:46:30] <LunchBot> Better not to tell
you now.
L100[09:46:34] <FLHerne> hrm
L101[09:46:44] <XXCoder> usually negatary
at this point
L102[09:48:01] <Izaya> ;frog
L104[09:48:17] <XXCoder> lol
L105[09:48:22] <XXCoder> wonder if
random
L106[09:48:24] <XXCoder> ;frog
L108[09:48:35] <XXCoder> interesting
L109[09:48:41] <Izaya> that is a
frog
L110[09:48:50] <Izaya> not sure what I
expected exactly but I'm not disappointed
L111[09:48:51] <FLHerne> You can do ;frog
add , obviously
L112[09:49:04] <FLHerne> we have acquired
many frogs over the last couple of years
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L114[09:51:44] <XXCoder> ;space!
L116[09:52:12] <XXCoder> of course
L117[09:52:46] <FLHerne> most of these are
by demand of random people who told me "[x] should be a
command"
L118[09:53:08] <XXCoder> :)
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L123[10:05:48] <Althego> kikkerikii
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L128[10:31:40] <Mat2ch> !mission
L129[10:31:40] <LunchBot> You crack open
an Atlas. Jebediah is pulled over for drinking and flying.
L130[10:32:20] <Mat2ch> Jeb, you had one
job. ONE.
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L134[11:02:49] <funkenstein> Joke's on
you, Atlas is a favored brand of Kerbal alcohol
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L142[11:37:08] <Althego> local leet
time
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L144[12:06:20] <funkenstein> ;frog
L146[12:06:37] <funkenstein>
xenofrog
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L154[13:59:30] <funkenstein> ;mission add
Your dentist screws you over and you are set to lose all of your
teeth by 25.
L155[13:59:30] <LunchBot> Added mission:
Your dentist screws you over and you are set to lose all of your
teeth by 25.
L156[14:07:22] <funkenstein>
;mission
L157[14:07:22] <LunchBot> You decide to
bring a 90 Kerbal base to Laythe. Fire the stellar buckshot.
L158[14:07:28] <funkenstein>
;mission
L159[14:07:28] <LunchBot> You install the
Turbopump of Vecna in your rocket engines. You hear a brief
discussion about Pink Floyd on the comm.
L160[14:07:39] <funkenstein>
;mission
L161[14:07:40] <LunchBot> You replace
every part of your spacecraft with aerogel, because aerogel is
always better. Things go from bad to worse.
L162[14:17:43] <sandbox> some of us are
well over 25
L163[14:29:23] <sandbox> you can tell
where the queen's hearse is by all the helicopters
L164[14:34:40] <Pinkbeast> Huh, I thought
they'd move it surface not just yeet it to London
L165[14:36:04] <sandbox> it's coming here
to Edinburgh first
L166[14:37:01] <Pinkbeast> And then
they're going to yeet it to London?
L167[14:37:39] <SporkWitch> Pinkbeast:
helicopters are likely overwatch in case someone tries something,
not what she's being carried on
L168[14:38:18] <SporkWitch> given the
number of people CELEBRATING the death of "the evil
colonizer," it's a valid concern
L169[14:38:31] <sandbox> one of them is
probably just media
L170[14:39:23] <SporkWitch> not
necessarily; usually things like this will see temporary flight
restrictions put in place so only military and law enforcement are
allowed in the airspace
L171[14:40:32] <umaxtu> how many places
did britain colonize during her reign?
L172[14:41:44] <sandbox> I'll bet they
show footage of them crossing the bridge over the Forth
L173[14:42:13] <Pinkbeast> umaxtu: We'd
mostly given up on that and were just destroying all the
records
L174[14:42:51] <SporkWitch> umaxtu: i
think the only place a claim could even be made about would be
Israel, since the agreement / treaty that created it was signed by
the UK. Even then, it gets fuzzy. In theory, the monarch is the
head of state in the UK, starts and ends their political sessions,
etc., but it's largely symbolic. The royal family stays explicitly
apolitical and leaves the government to run under the
L175[14:43:01] <SporkWitch> representative
democratic system they have in place.
L176[14:45:05] <Pinkbeast> I think the Mau
Mau rebellion is the biggest Elizabeth-era atrocity but that wasn't
per se colonising anywhere, just shedding an ocean of blood before
letting it go
L177[14:46:38] <sandbox> no politics here
remember
L178[14:46:44] <Pinkbeast> ... also I
think I might be slightly entirely , yeah, that
L179[14:47:17] <SporkWitch> fact is,
during her 70 year rule, she conducted herself with poise and did
nothing that inspired anything but respect around the world. The
only ones attacking her now are the ones that attack EVERYTHING
about western culture and society.
L180[14:47:34] <sandbox> sadly true
L181[15:03:38] <sandbox> I can hear the
helicopters now
L182[15:03:41] <heinz9> which is the
formula telling us, what the speed or speed-up of a rocket has to
be, for being able to leave earth?
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L184[15:04:02] <SporkWitch> heinz9: which
formula?
L186[15:04:58] <Pinkbeast> (albeit that's
with no atmospheric drag, but once you've got an atmosphere it's
very much about ascent profile and acceleration and not just a
matter of being yeeted off the surface at 8 km/sec)
L187[15:05:23] <Pinkbeast> Er, 11
km/sec
L189[15:11:45] <heinz9> is there
information about the idea to start rockets into the earth from the
orbit of weather ballons from about 10 till 40 kilometers of
height?
L190[15:12:20] <heinz9> I calculated,
hopefully not wrong, that you can save 3 to 10 % of earth
gravitation speed-up
L191[15:12:38] <heinz9> instead 9.81 it
could be 6% less
L192[15:13:52] <SporkWitch> assuming your
maths are right, you still have to account for the size of the
balloon required to carry the payload (including engines and fuel)
to the launch altitude, plus the complication of keeping the fuel
cooled during that SLOW ascent. I suspect it's sufficiently
impractical that it's just cheaper and easier to launch from the
surface.
L193[15:14:47] <SporkWitch> Such an ascent
would also result in a far less stable launch platform, and a great
degree of precision is required for most stuff, since they need
very precise orbits, hence launch windows measured in minutes
L194[15:19:52] <heinz9> SporkWitch, just
let me phantasize and caclulate
L195[15:20:08] <heinz9> I think it would
not make sense
L196[15:20:19] <SporkWitch> don't ask
questions if you don't want the answers lol
L197[15:20:22] <heinz9> but I just want to
calcualte its advantages
L198[15:20:29] <heinz9> SporkWitch, I like
your answers
L199[15:21:31] <heinz9> so I ask the
quesation, what the advantage is, having 6% less gravitation for a
rocket and a 10.000 km shorter path into space
L200[15:21:52] <heinz9> what does this
imply for rockets
L201[15:23:56] <heinz9> could you simulate
this with KSP?
L202[15:25:04] <SporkWitch> to a degree.
kerbaloons adds inflatable baloons you can use. You'd likely also
want to use something like KSPI or Near Future Propulsion to
introduce cryogenic fuels that require power to keep cold or they
boil off
L203[15:26:41] <heinz9> I know or I guess,
that my approach would never become reality, but I'ld like just to
look at its advantages
L204[15:27:05] <heinz9> I was guessing
that the disadvantages are much greater
L205[15:28:12] <heinz9> is there anywhere
a rocket calucaltor
L206[15:42:36] <heinz9> it probably would
only save very few fuel for the rocket, but the amount would
interest me
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L209[16:28:31] <FLHerne> heinz9: it saves
very little delta-v, almost all of that is for going sideways
L210[16:29:16] <FLHerne> biggest advantage
is probably that you can optimise your engine bells for a much
lower pressure than sea level, and get better Isp
L211[16:29:31] <darsie> 10.000 km = 10
km?
L212[16:33:33] <darsie> Tiny rockets have
more drag, so for them it would benefit more.
L213[16:33:44] <darsie> more drag/mass or
so
L214[16:36:16] <FLHerne> also you can do
it with a feasibly-sized balloon :p
L215[16:36:52] <darsie> :)
L216[16:37:07] <darsie> You can use many
feasibly sized balloons :)
L217[16:37:46] <FLHerne> lifting something
F9 class would need about ten Zeppelins
L218[16:37:51] <FLHerne> at sea
level
L219[16:37:53] <darsie> I thought of a
coilgun on balloons.
L220[16:38:32] <FLHerne> to reach the
upper atmosphere you'd need a lot more
L221[16:39:22] <darsie> Aluminized mylar
balloons.
L222[16:40:27] <FLHerne> I did account for
better balloons ;-)
L223[16:41:06] <FLHerne> in terms of the
actual payload capacity of a 1930s Zeppelin you'd need 50+
L224[16:41:36] <darsie> speedevil said a
10 kg rocket might make orbit.
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L226[17:40:32] <SporkWitch> parallax 2.0
seems to be making waves; basically every KSP streamer has done a
video i nthe last couple days lol
L227[17:41:27] <SporkWitch> i'm holding
off. I get my first paycheck this friday, should be enough for me
to pay all my bills and buy a new GPU, want to take break it in
with KSP :)
L228[17:43:14] <packbart> the larger the
parts, the more you need to zoom out...
https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspcrs1.jpg
(testing designs for an greenhouse/research station with Kerbalism
chains)
L229[17:43:39] <packbart> I need some
lights to illuminate the solar panels in the dark :) they are a
navigation hazard approaching the station
L230[17:43:49] <SporkWitch> what's
kerbalism do? is that a life support mod?
L231[17:44:40] <packbart> yeah, and more.
it puts its patches into all the things. it's got life support,
radiation belts (and CMEs), science takes time to take and transmit
and some more stuff
L232[17:45:32] <SporkWitch> interesting. I
may have to revisit my mods. I've been using USI Life Support,
since it's relatively simple, but still something to manage, and it
integrates (obviously) with MKS
L233[17:46:02] <packbart> I usually get
frustrated by some of its limitations when running a larger save
and time-warping and go back to stock or TacLS or Snacks. I might
keep the science-only mode, though
L234[17:46:44] <SporkWitch> why haven't
you deployed the habitation rings?
L235[17:46:51] <SporkWitch> or do those
ones not deploy?
L236[17:47:02] <packbart> the ring
thingies are tanks :)
L237[17:47:13] <SporkWitch> ah
L238[17:47:36] <packbart> carbon dioxide,
nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen and a very large water tank at one
end
L239[17:48:04] <packbart> (not the best
choice for CoM but it's also a very good shield against coronal
mass ejections)
L240[17:48:14] <SporkWitch> out of
curiosity, does the water tank help protect from radiation?
L241[17:48:26] <SporkWitch> and you just
answered that lol
L242[17:48:49] <packbart> if the crew has
enough time to point it towards the sun before the CME arrives. I
think Kerbalism gives a few minutes warning there
L243[17:49:05] <SporkWitch> why not use
persistent rotation and lock it facing the sun?
L244[17:49:15] <packbart> I only
experienced those once or twice
L245[17:49:35] <SporkWitch> i do that on
my station to keep the solar panels positioned ideally
L246[17:49:46] <packbart> hm. maybe. I
usually use SAS to "Normal", so the solar panels always
have good alignment
L247[17:50:02] <packbart> but I could
point the large bulb towards the sun, too
L248[17:50:30] <SporkWitch> that'd keep
you protected as well as keep the panels in an orientation that
lets them rotate for max exposure
L249[17:51:14] <SporkWitch> i'm REALLY
hoping a new GPU gets my framerates up, it's going to be really
frustrating if the single-thread-per-vessel thing is the real
reason for my performance issues, not rendering
L250[17:51:26] <packbart> for scale: the
greenhouses are 5m parts
L251[17:51:43] <packbart> Nertea added
some 5m station parts, so I just had to try them out
L252[17:51:51] <SporkWitch> nice
L253[17:52:33] <SporkWitch> i find
stations really annoying to get looking nice. too easy to end up
with just a giant tube or collection of crosses
L254[17:52:58] <SporkWitch> also, your
navigation lights are wrong :P
L255[17:53:09] <packbart> it's the back of
the station :P
L256[17:54:18] <packbart> there's a 2.5m
docking port on the front. I started out building only the
greenhouse part to a larger station, then built it into its own
little tube thing
L257[17:55:19] <packbart> the station
parts do have angle connectors for 30°, 45°
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L260[17:57:40] <SporkWitch> from what I
can find, the closest to a standard for spacecraft is used by
Cygnus, using the standard red-port green-starboard, and adding two
white on the dorsal side, one yellow on the ventral. Looks like it
omits the standard white on the rear, but that makes some sense
since the engine bell would occlude most of the rest of the
craft.
L261[17:58:39] <SporkWitch> nm, looking at
it, there's plenty of space to put rear navigation lights on it...
guess they just don't bother since as a rule you don't
"accidentally" come across another vehicle in space
heh
L263[18:00:22] <SporkWitch> the
"ninja base" one reminds me of how the aliens in The
Forever War are described lol
L264[18:02:38] <Izaya> I'm pretty sure
there's something on atomic rockets about navigation lights for
rockets
L265[18:03:24] <Izaya> more for fiction
than stuff that's in actual use, though
L266[18:05:04] <SporkWitch> well other
than missions to the ISS, we dont' do a lot of rendesvous IRL; it's
more of a concern in KSP because we do a lot more rendesvous
L267[18:05:34] <packbart> I was maybe
going to put blinking yellow lights on the ends. "wrong
face"
L268[18:08:11] <SporkWitch> as a rule, you
want different colours for each side of the vessel, since the
purpose is allowing you to know the orientation of the vessel if
the only thing you can see are the lights
L269[18:08:16] <Izaya> slap a good old
"WRONG WAY, GO BACK" sign on it
L270[18:09:30] <packbart> SporkWitch: I
really only want to *not* crash through the solar panels (they are
long and dark). so I might just put spotlights to shine over the
station
L271[18:09:33] <SporkWitch> hence the
red-port, green-starboard, white-rear convention. In space you'd
want to add dorsal and ventral lights, since you need to know the
rotational orientation as well (in aircraft, you know you're facing
the rear because you see red on the left and you see the white; if
you were facing the front, the red would be on your right, but in
space it could be "upside down" compared to you,
hence
L272[18:09:39] <SporkWitch> the dorsal and
ventral lights)
L274[18:09:56] <darsie> Waiting for
Everyday Astronaut
L275[18:09:58] <SporkWitch> i usually do
spotlights so i can see the station better and appreciate the view,
yeah.
L276[18:10:02] <darsie> [4K] Watch
Firefly's Second Orbital Launch Attempt Of Their Alpha
Rocket!
L277[18:11:01] <SporkWitch> I do like to
do proper navigation lights for actual craft, though.
L278[18:11:57] <SporkWitch> stations just
seem to make more sense to use spotlights, since they don't move
around and they have more irregular and unpredictable shapes, so
just being able to see the actual structure is more important. with
a mobile craft, you tend to have a fair bit of symmetry and so
traditional navigation lights work fine
L279[18:12:50] <packbart> yeah, I just
slapped them on there as a gimmic. I was testing how the dome
lights illuminate the area (and then turned off the emission for
the nav lights)
L280[18:16:05] <Izaya> concept: glowy neon
signs for stations, for marking docking ports
L281[18:16:30] <darsie> Neon glows
orange.
L282[18:19:48] <raptop> Neon styled, but
really LED?
L283[18:21:02] <packbart> holographic
arrows. all the cool station in movies have them
L284[18:22:58] <packbart> ooh, Jake. I saw
him using Kerbalism, so I thought I'd give it another try
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L302[21:58:40] <Izaya> "Chief
engineer?" "Send it."
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L305[22:05:22] <darsie> firefly aborted.
Might launch later.
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L307[23:07:53] <SporkWitch> dleayed again,
targeting 1900 UTC-7
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