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L1[00:05:23] <Izaya> oops

L2[00:06:04] <raptop> gotta do something to upstage the JWST image release

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L13[03:54:42] <funkenstein> ;outcome add it was all just a coup to get more snacks.

L14[03:54:42] <LunchBot> Added outcome: it was all just a coup to get more snacks.

L15[03:54:45] <funkenstein> ;mission

L16[03:54:45] <LunchBot> You add FOOF to your floof. You spend all that remains of your budget on cleaning up the mess you made.

L17[03:55:03] <funkenstein> burnt floofers

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L21[04:19:32] <funkenstein> ;mission

L22[04:19:32] <LunchBot> You can't stop turning off of the runway and into the VAB. The kerbonauts don't have enough fuel to come back so you send a Kerbal X to rescue them.

L23[04:20:09] <funkenstein> ;mission

L24[04:20:09] <LunchBot> Red5 wanted to test how painful cactus was in zero-g. Suddenly, you discover all your kerbals are BadS.

L25[04:20:24] <funkenstein> ;mission

L26[04:20:24] <LunchBot> KSC staff swear too much on the job. You are targeted and destroyed by the [REDACTED] array embedded in the Vallhenge.

L27[04:36:19] <XXCoder> ;mission

L28[04:36:19] <LunchBot> You try to break the laws of physics. Failure is not an option, but happens anyway.

L29[04:36:27] <XXCoder> aw physics no breaky

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L37[08:16:41] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05Yiw7_JTXY

L38[08:16:46] <Mat2ch> Here's the video about it.

L39[08:17:02] <Mat2ch> Looks like they tested the turbo pumps and somehow the gas ignited?

L40[08:19:29] <Mat2ch> Ah, commenters speculate that they tested the methan pumps and pumped lots of it through the engines and it exploded with the surrounding air

L41[08:19:41] <Mat2ch> so it is possible that this didn't even damage much

L42[08:28:57] <Althego> this is not delta iv

L43[08:29:07] <Althego> shouldnt make that

L44[08:43:10] <Mat2ch> But fireworks!

L45[08:43:16] <Mat2ch> We had to wait so long for one

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L148[14:55:04] <SporkWitch> JWST release stream: https://www.youtube.com/embed/21X5lGlDOfg?rel=0

L149[14:58:24] <SporkWitch> just started showing pics!

L150[14:58:25] <packbart> sooo, the Webb images look like images from a space telescope

L151[14:58:34] <Althego> hehe

L152[14:58:52] <Althego> what did you expect?

L153[14:59:46] <packbart> Aliens, of course

L154[15:00:01] <Althego> with time

L155[15:10:11] <Mat2ch> "Sir, the aliens are too big, we need a smaller telescope to see them!"

L156[15:14:53] <Althego> wouldnt you need a bigger one in that cas?

L157[15:16:28] <SporkWitch> gotta reverse the telescope

L158[15:16:41] <packbart> *beep* *beep* *beep*

L159[15:18:00] <SporkWitch> i do kind of wish they'd do some more hubble/jwst comparisons so people can better appreciate just how huge this is. Sure the pictures look great, but without that comparison it's difficult to appreciate unless you look at stuff like this a lot

L160[15:21:05] <packbart> yeah, without the comparison it pretty looks much the same

L161[15:21:51] <Althego> i think the point is not that it looks better. but possibly it took way less time to make. hubble deep feal took what, weeks?

L162[15:21:57] <Althego> deep field

L163[15:22:17] <Althego> because very few visible fotons came to the instruments

L164[15:22:23] <Althego> most of them in infra red

L165[15:22:27] <Althego> this an make them fast

L166[15:22:56] <Althego> in fact i think the resolution is slightly worse than hubble, even though it is way bigger, because of the wavelenght

L167[15:23:23] <packbart> astronomers still take much longer to analyse the images. what good is a high capture rate? :)

L168[15:23:28] <SporkWitch> that's a big part too, but whta they're saying right now is they ARE getting much more detail; part of that is being able to do it faster (less "blur"), but also is higher sensitivity, meaning things that would otherwise get washed out are now detectable

L169[15:23:38] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/jason4short/status/1546633395643432961 there are people doing comparisons already

L170[15:23:59] <packbart> my computers are still combing through radio data from Arecibo, searching for undetected pulsars (for Einstein@Home)

L171[15:24:03] <SporkWitch> packbart: less exposure time = fewer variables affecting image quality. every tiny movement adds up

L172[15:24:10] <packbart> ah, right

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L174[15:28:43] <SporkWitch> Althego: only thing i found so far about resolution is about "spatial resolution," which JWST wins

L175[15:30:57] <Althego> even then it cant be much better

L176[15:31:04] <Althego> purely optically

L177[15:31:20] <Althego> but it can use bigger field of view with higher resolution instruments

L178[15:32:06] <SporkWitch> source is suspect (quara), but it looks like hubble has a resolution of 50 milliarc seconds, while NASA's site lists JWST as 0.1 arc-seconds

L179[15:33:57] <Althego> https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/main_image_star-forming_region_carina_nircam_final-5mb.jpg

L180[15:34:09] <Althego> https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/main_image_galaxies_stephans_quintet_sq_nircam_miri_final-5mb.jpg

L181[15:36:00] * raptop wants to say that for angular resolution those are roughly right though there's a wavelength dependence

L182[15:37:41] <sandbox> space microscope

L183[15:37:59] <Althego> one day we may need such an instrumetn

L184[15:38:05] <Althego> maybe for some quantum research

L185[15:38:20] <sandbox> one day? I want it now

L186[15:38:49] <Althego> also for onsite checking for zero g grown crystals and stuff

L187[15:39:47] <Mat2ch> https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Transportation/Vega/Vega-C_watch_tomorrow_s_launch

L188[15:39:55] <Mat2ch> Interesting. Vega C launch tomorrow

L189[15:40:18] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMcfFmR0MmA

L190[15:40:38] <Althego> there is a chinese launch in 50 minutes but no stream

L191[15:41:05] <Althego> there may be an electron launch too

L192[15:41:15] <Althego> but hey put it out no soonar than

L193[15:41:19] <Althego> sooner

L194[15:42:20] <Althego> https://nitter.net/RocketLab/status/1546323015704924160#m

L195[15:45:23] <Althego> i still dont see anything concrete on the arianspace twitter for vega c, aside fro ma days olf tweet which mentions roll-on13 july, whatever that means

L196[15:48:13] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/vega_sts

L197[15:49:20] <Althego> two launches tomorrow and that is the one day this week when i go to the office

L198[15:50:17] <Mat2ch> Just move it to Thursday :D

L199[15:50:30] <Althego> hehe

L200[15:50:34] <Althego> or i just watch them anyway

L201[15:50:40] <Althego> one is in the morning

L202[15:50:54] <Althego> i need to be careful no to forget the othre one after lunch

L203[15:50:57] <Althego> launch after lunch

L204[15:52:20] <Mat2ch> !mission

L205[15:52:20] <LunchBot> Having lost all motor control during a battle with the Kraken, Jebediah is forced to use his telekinetic haircut to pilot the craft. You see what a geon looks like from the inside.

L206[15:52:32] <Mat2ch> !mission

L207[15:52:32] <LunchBot> You implement Wernher's plan to turn the entire astronaut complex into a rocket. The lysine contingency is implemented as the lysol contingency for budgetary reasons.

L208[15:52:40] <Althego> telekinetic haircut lol

L209[15:53:27] <Mat2ch> !mission

L210[15:53:27] <LunchBot> You use drainage pipes after having run out of fuel lines. Yargnit tells you everything you're doing wrong.

L211[16:08:16] <Althego> kikkerikii

L212[16:10:43] <Althego> beeeg badaboom

L213[16:10:44] <Althego> https://stsci-opo.org/STScI-01G7ETPF7DVBJAC42JR5N6EQRH.png

L214[16:10:50] <Althego> https://stsci-opo.org/STScI-01G7DB1FHPMJCCY59CQGZC1YJQ.png

L215[16:11:03] <Althego> https://stsci-opo.org/STScI-01G79R51118N21AAZ9MZ8XWWQ6.png

L216[16:13:13] <Mat2ch> and every bright dot is a Galaxy...

L217[16:13:24] <Mat2ch> right?

L218[16:15:34] <Althego> i didnt check :)

L219[16:15:46] <Althego> but possibly only the really bright ones are stars in our galaxy

L220[16:18:07] <Mat2ch> I remember times, when I heard my hdd swapping when looking at such huge pictures :D

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L237[17:34:06] <SporkWitch> for anyone that missed it live, here's just the 1 hour stream of the JWST image reveal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmMRMIE3MGw

L238[17:47:21] <Althego> maybe the archive is better but the stream was barely working

L239[17:50:12] <Althego> heh bird from 14. the worlkd really does not want me to go in

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L242[18:55:17] <packbart> I'll keep using the Hubble Deep Field as the background image behind the desktop cube. it's got nicer colors :)

L243[19:04:32] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU4B9Xk7x7c

L244[19:11:26] <packbart> ah, considering the scale, it was just like petrol motor misfiring ;)

L245[19:14:56] <Althego> the stellar motor is backfiring. almost new, he said

L246[19:21:14] <Mat2ch> https://johnedchristensen.github.io/WebbCompare/ someone was busy

L247[19:21:32] <packbart> "it's rather like a backpack-bomb than a pipe-bomb or a car-bomb" - uhh-huh. I wouldn't know :)

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L250[21:11:22] <funkenstein> ;mission

L251[21:11:22] <LunchBot> You create a space station in the shape of a giant green eyeball. You find out that all your base are belong to US.

L252[21:11:42] * raptop blames an unamused octopus

L253[21:12:38] <funkenstein> ;mission add You create a space station in the shape of a large pointing hand, making politicians very nervous.

L254[21:12:38] <LunchBot> Added mission: You create a space station in the shape of a large pointing hand, making politicians very nervous.

L255[21:12:43] <funkenstein> ;mission

L256[21:12:43] <LunchBot> You construct a Tandem Mirror-style fusion engine. Your hype train exceeds 88 miles per hour. You arrive in version .13.3.

L257[21:14:37] <funkenstein> ;outcome add The planet is destroyed by an amused octopus

L258[21:14:37] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The planet is destroyed by an amused octopus

L259[21:17:05] <raptop> !mission unamused

L260[21:17:06] <LunchBot> You launch an unamused octopus into orbit to spy on everyone.

L261[21:18:26] <funkenstein> ;outcome add How could you do this, Koro-Sensei?!

L262[21:18:26] <LunchBot> Added outcome: How could you do this, Koro-Sensei?!

L263[21:18:57] <raptop> korone?

L264[21:19:22] <raptop> Anyway, there's a high rez PDF of the octopos out there: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/nrol-39-mission-logo-78740/

L265[21:22:09] <funkenstein> not sure I understood, they were appealing an octopus?

L266[21:23:12] <funkenstein> 殺せない先生

L267[21:26:43] <raptop> 先生を殺しないですよ

L268[21:26:51] <raptop> (...or something)

L269[21:26:59] <SporkWitch> i'm sorry, i don't speak weeb :P

L270[21:30:51] <funkenstein> I fluently copy and paste weeb

L271[21:31:03] <raptop> ah

L272[21:31:20] <funkenstein> my partner is the speaker of the weeb

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L281[23:22:16] <SporkWitch> packbart: https://www.businessinsider.com/images-show-james-webb-space-telescope-stronger-sharper-than-hubble-2022-7?inline-endstory-related-recommendations= side-by-sides with hubble

L282[23:22:40] <SporkWitch> so yeah, JWST is MUCH more sensitive