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L2[00:27:04] <XXCoder> ;mission
L3[00:27:05] <LunchBot> The How It's Made
crew films a 15-minute piece at the KSC facility. You travel back
in time, only to discover that the universe no longer exists in
that timeframe.
L4[00:27:26] <XXCoder> I guess I was showing
off how time machine was made?
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L13[01:32:19] <raptop> !mission add Due to
a severe mistranslation, Werner fills the tanks with
chocolate.
L14[01:32:19] <LunchBot> Added mission: Due
to a severe mistranslation, Werner fills the tanks with
chocolate.
L15[01:39:49] *
raptop wonders if that's too obscure and/or edgy
L16[01:40:34] *
raptop vaguely wonders if it's possible to sneak variants of Boris
Chertok anecdotes into missions/outcomes
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L30[05:05:05] <Althego> wazzu
L31[05:05:05] <Althego> p
L32[05:37:31] <funkenstein> hehehe
L33[05:39:31] <funkenstein> ;mission add
Due to a mild mistranslation, your rocket is transferred from the
VAB onto a small toad. The toad's name is "Launch"
L34[05:39:31] <LunchBot> Added mission: Due
to a mild mistranslation, your rocket is transferred from the VAB
onto a small toad. The toad's name is "Launch"
L35[05:41:15] <funkenstein> that shouldn't
be too obscure
L36[05:41:49] <funkenstein> (pad means toad
and/or path in dutch)
L37[05:41:58] <funkenstein> launch
pad
L38[05:43:42] <funkenstein> ';mission
L39[05:43:45] <funkenstein> ;mission
L40[05:43:45] <LunchBot> You are smacked on
the bottom by a sassy asteroid. You freeze to death.
L41[05:44:13] <funkenstein> hmm. may have
been a commie comet
L42[05:45:09] <funkenstein> ;mission add
Your comms are combed by a commie comet.
L43[05:45:09] <LunchBot> Added mission:
Your comms are combed by a commie comet.
L44[05:45:54] <UmbralRaptor> !outcome add
due to a translation error, your rocket lunches from the
cafeteria.
L45[05:45:54] <LunchBot> Added outcome: due
to a translation error, your rocket lunches from the
cafeteria.
L46[05:46:12] <funkenstein> lol
L47[05:46:17] <funkenstein> ;mission
L48[05:46:17] <LunchBot> You attempt to
create a floating Joolian colony. Your TWR is atrocious.
L49[05:47:05] <funkenstein> I assume, then,
that by "floating" it means "maintaining altitude
with minimal thrust"
L50[05:48:01] <UmbralRaptor> You'd hope
so
L51[05:53:32] <UmbralRaptor> It's probably
somewhat difficult, as current KSP sort of has atmospheric
molecular weights implemented
L52[06:19:05] <funkenstein> I hadn't
thought of it that way, that's hilarious
L53[06:20:23] <UmbralRaptor> In real life,
gas giants are awful places for balloons
L54[06:26:39] <funkenstein> what if the
balloon was the gas giants we had in our hearts all along
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L56[06:31:12] <UmbralRaptor> ???
L57[06:34:33] <Althego> already mostly
hydrogen, so what else you could put in the balloon? maybe hot
hydrogen
L58[06:35:09] <Althego> but keeping it hot
costs energy, so you could just make a plane instead too
L59[06:35:16] <UmbralRaptor> vacuum
zeppelin
L60[06:37:10] <funkenstein> t=(it wasn't
supposed to make sense)
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L65[07:40:59] <funkenstein> ;mission
L66[07:40:59] <LunchBot> You design and
build a complete space program using nothing but cans of Spam. You
succeed.
L67[07:41:04] <funkenstein> what
L68[07:41:26] <funkenstein> impressive,
most impressive
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L131[15:17:10] <packbart> !mission
L132[15:17:11] <LunchBot> You try a
twelve-degree approach to land at Island Runway 09. You return 5
minutes later to find out you missed everything.
L133[15:17:24] <packbart> The autopilot
did it
L134[15:32:24] <Mat2ch> !mission
L135[15:32:24] <LunchBot> You express a
great deal of indifference as to the reliability of the valves in
you rockets. You succeed beyond your wildest nightmares.
L136[15:33:37] <Althego> !outcome add Your
launch is scrubbed because of stuck valves.
L137[15:33:37] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Your launch is scrubbed because of stuck valves.
L138[15:44:03] <SporkWitch> time to find
out if my first attempt at landing on Eve results in science or
explosions... lol
L139[15:44:27] <SporkWitch> all it has to
do is touch down sufficiently intact to fulfill the contract and i
get a cool million spacebucks...
L140[15:44:36] <SporkWitch> (and i have
deadly reentry on... lol)
L141[15:53:31] <packbart> is it really a
reentry if you've never been there before?
L142[15:54:26] <Althego> but first you
left your origin. so unless that was an airless moon or an asteroid
or something similar, you reenter an atmosphere
L143[15:55:00] <packbart> just not the
same atmosphere, I see. yeah, that is a possible explanation
L144[15:55:49] <SporkWitch> if you go up
in flames i don't think the "re" is the critical factor
lol
L145[15:55:57] <Althego> but in reality
probably it just used to b e leaving earth's atmosphere and getting
back, so it wa reentry in every sense, and later the word
stuck
L146[15:57:08] <SporkWitch> i might remove
deadly reentry... it's getting really annoying that properly sized
heat shields aren't protecting the component directly attached to
them. I've got a 2.5m shield on a 2.5m service bay, and the bay's
skin temp is coming up on explosion temp...
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L149[15:57:54] <SporkWitch> the spin trick
somewhat works, but it's silly and annoying
L150[15:58:04] <packbart> use a stack of
ablative Science Jr. modules ;)
L151[15:58:10] <Althego> hehe
L152[15:58:15] <Althego> quite
expensive
L153[16:04:00] <SporkWitch> nothing
exploded from heat! came REALLY close, but had just enough spin
input before the battery died.
L154[16:04:15] <SporkWitch> now to find
out if i have enough parachute...
L155[16:08:12] <SporkWitch> i am pretty
pleased with the delivery vehicle, though. Had the lander probe on
the nose, and underneath a bunch of fairings w/ truss and
interstage nodes to hold six commsats. with the reduction in mass
from deploying each commsat, it worked out to just enough ΔV to
deploy 3 equatorial and 3 polar commsats, then bring the orbit in
for a smooth deorbit for the probe
L156[16:08:45] <Althego> you dont really
need parachutes
L157[16:09:18] <SporkWitch> i did cheat
one thing though: I accidentally put the decouplers on upside down,
so the commsats' engines couldn't fire to circularize their orbits,
so I did delete that vehicle and then teleport another out to the
same orbit with the decouplers facing the right way heh
L158[16:10:49] <SporkWitch> granted eve's
atmo is pretty thick, but i'm not sure the legs and heat shield
would be enough to protect the service module from lithobraking at
terminal velocity... heh
L159[16:12:58] <SporkWitch> looks like
it's probably more than enough chute, though, if for no other
reason than that crazy thick atmosphere. used the nose-mounted
double-chute from realchutes, so it combines a drogue and a regular
with staggered deployment. partially deployed drogue has me down to
50m/s
L160[16:13:27] <SporkWitch> i'm coming
down in the sea, though... hopefully the phsyics don't bite me
lol
L161[16:17:20] <Mat2ch> Uhhh, B7 with 33
Raptors is rolled out. Many many tests ahead! Nice!
L162[16:18:50] <SporkWitch> Mat2ch:
starship got approvals ^^
L163[16:19:00] <SporkWitch> should have
tests Soon™
L164[16:20:04] <Mat2ch> well, with all the
tests that have to be done... "soon" can mean anything
;)
L165[16:20:22] <SporkWitch> yeah, but the
paperwork's approved for them to start tests, so big
milestone
L166[16:20:35] <Althego> remember when the
first orbital test was last summer?
L167[16:20:39] <Althego> we lost a
year
L168[16:21:11] <Althego> but even with
this starship is a really ambitious project and it seems to be
going really fast
L169[16:22:03] <SporkWitch> can't wait for
the first reentry test; it'll be the first use of that type of
reentry cooling. apparently it works by recirculating the methalox
fuel underneath the skin to carry heat from the windward side to
the leeward
L170[16:22:47] <Althego> hmm
interesting
L171[16:22:51] <Althego> i didnt know they
did that
L172[16:25:31] <umaxtu> I thought they'd
scrapped that
L173[16:25:59] <FLHerne> yeah, I'm fairly
sure they did
L174[16:26:16] <Althego> what they
scrapped was the bleeding of fuel for cooling
L175[16:26:25] <Althego> whatever they
called that
L176[16:26:37] <SporkWitch> i'm trying to
find a source explaining what i was talking about
L177[16:26:44] <Althego> that the skin
would have spores and let fuel through and let it evaporate
L178[16:26:52] <Althego> this sounds
something different
L179[16:26:56] <Althego> like a heat
exchanger
L180[16:27:59] <SporkWitch> yeah, i think
that much was canceled due to concerns the pores would
"clog"
L181[16:28:19] <umaxtu> rocket pimples
sound cool
L182[16:28:48] <SporkWitch> but pumping
the fuel under the skin makes sense and wouldn't have the same
issues. not really any different from how a liquid cooling loop in
a computer works: the windward side would functionally be the CPU
block, heating the fuel, which is then pumped through the leeward
side which would act as the radiator
L183[16:29:27] <Althego> but where would
you pump he heat to? in an airplane usually that is the fuel. but
when the tanks are empty, that is not really an option
L184[16:29:44] <Althego> you could still
evaporate some water ice or something
L185[16:29:56] <SporkWitch> the
implication is it won't be empty ,which makes sense given they plan
to have it land vertically, so you need fuel for the burn
L186[16:29:58] <Mat2ch> Althego: you pump
it inside. The heat is short enough, you the heat spikes are the
problem.
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L188[16:30:10] <Althego> almost
empty
L189[16:30:11] <Mat2ch> -you
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L191[16:30:59] <Althego> empty space
doesnt hold heat well
L192[16:31:17] <SporkWitch>
"empty" is a relative thing in this case. you have the
skin lined with the small pipes to maximize surface area while
minimizing volume. the thermal capacity is that of the total volume
of fluid, again just like in a liquid cooling loop for a
computer
L193[16:31:19] <Althego> ok you could put
it into the walls
L194[16:31:53] <SporkWitch> it distributes
the temperature throughout the fluid, it's not like you have really
hot coolant in the CPU block and cool near the radiator, the
temperature is relatively uniform throughout the fluid volume
L195[16:32:18] <Althego> yes, but there
you can have aradiator and some fans to move heat out
L196[16:32:30] <Althego> that is why i
asked where the heat goes
L197[16:32:39] <Althego> it doesnt keep
the het inside
L198[16:32:45] <SporkWitch> and yeah,
empty space is an insulator. that's how double-pane windows work:
AFAIK it's usually a vacuum layer between the two panes, and that's
how it massively reduces heat transfer
L199[16:33:12] <Althego> and most of
starship will be empty space when it comes back
L200[16:33:21] <Althego> the header tanks
maybe?
L201[16:33:29] <Althego> those could be a
target, they are full
L202[16:33:32] <SporkWitch> no, but the
leeward side is significantly lower temperature than the windward,
and all that matters is that you keep the skin temperature below
that at which the steel loses structure integrity, and that the
passenger compartment is kept below that at which the electronics
or meatbags are harmed
L203[16:33:44] <Althego> and even those
are what some tons of liquid
L204[16:34:19] <SporkWitch> the belly is
the part getting the atmospheric heating (the metal in contact with
the CPU heat spreader), while the dorsal side is cooler and
functions as a radiator
L205[16:34:48] <SporkWitch> and i
definitely had plenty of chute; overkill in fact, as fully
deployed, i'm down to 2.6m/s lol
L206[16:35:09] <Althego> you can land with
aerobrakes, just as real life venus probes
L207[16:35:30] <SporkWitch> yeah, but it's
my first attempt, and given the time between missions, even with
time warp, i didn't want to screw up lol
L208[16:35:42] <SporkWitch> i have other
missions i want to do but i need the money from this one to fund
them heh
L209[16:36:15] <SporkWitch> as tedious as
it is, i prefer the career mode's constraints and missions to help
set goals and give ideas, vs even just science mode eliminating the
money factor
L210[16:37:01] <SporkWitch> here's hoping
the contract doesn't decide to be picky and not count splashing
down in the explodium sea as a "landing"
L212[16:37:37] <Althego> movin movin movin
movin
L213[16:37:48] <Althego> cruisin cruisin
cruisin cruisin
L216[16:38:31] <packbart> oops
L217[16:38:59] <Althego> i vaguely
remember some old time capsule having soem water cooling for
reentry
L218[16:39:03] <Althego> but i cant find
it
L219[16:39:06] <Althego> maybe it was just
a plan
L220[16:39:07] <SporkWitch> ... the
contract doesn't count a splashdown...
L221[16:39:22] <Althego> hehe
L222[16:39:35] <Althego> there is not that
much explodium surface on eve
L223[16:39:38] <Althego> you can land
elsewhere
L224[16:40:16] <SporkWitch> yeah, given
just how finicky the reentry was i'm just gonna cheese it and move
myself over, contract is overly literal IMO
L225[16:40:40] <SporkWitch> i'm satisfied
with my accomplishment (upside of non-competitive games: no shame
in a little bit of cheating when the spirit is fulfilled)
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L227[17:08:06] <funkenstein> ;outcome add
Love Shack! Baby, F-Dome!
L228[17:08:07] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Love Shack! Baby, F-Dome!
L229[17:09:24] <SporkWitch> hmmm... LT-05
micro landers are apparently pogo sticks on eve. retract the gear
and the high gravity flips me over right side up. deploy the gear
again, and it launches me a few metres into the are and i get stuck
on my side... lol
L230[17:10:09] <Althego> interseting
movement method
L233[17:16:48] <funkenstein> actually I
think it was a different onew but eh
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L236[17:58:57] <SporkWitch> hmmm... can't
figure out why my atmosphere scoops won't grab oxygen from
kerbin...
L237[18:06:05] <SporkWitch> it seems to
think there's no storage, but if i switch it to argon it
immediately starts filling up...
L238[18:07:25] <sandbox_> there's no kind
of atmosphere
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L240[18:09:08] <SporkWitch> so what i'm
doing is using ram intakes and radial atmosphere scoops. I have
thermal generators on top of reactors, which have thermal turbojets
underneath them. Initially i use atmospheric intake for
"free" thrust, the idea being to scoop up oxygen on the
way up to use as reaction mass once i'm in the thinner parts of the
atmosphere, and switch the engines over to oxidizer (which, in
theory,
L241[18:09:35] <SporkWitch> KSPI should
treat interchangeably with oxygen). The issue is that the scoops
won't collect oxygen from kerbin's atmosphere, but they WILL
collect argon, with no changes in the setup. It doesn't make any
sense :'(
L242[18:10:08] <SporkWitch> I've tried
using argon, but the engines will only use liquid argon, and I
can't find any fast enough way to convert argon gas to liquid argon
to be of use
L243[18:12:15] <SporkWitch> likewise they
won't collect compressed air, either
L244[18:13:44] <SporkWitch> looks like
it's moot anyway; just put some oxygen in the tank at launch and
the engines won't switch to it :(
L245[18:14:26] <SporkWitch> i know there's
some way to make this work, because i don't think there have been
any relevant changes to the mods, and a similar design is showcased
in beardypenguin's interstellar series...
L246[19:16:18] <packbart> !mission
L247[19:16:18] <LunchBot> You fly unsafe.
Bob's chances of survival are directly proportional to his ability
to count the shadows.
L248[19:16:40] <SporkWitch> poor River
:'(
L249[19:17:20] <SporkWitch> though i
suppose it could also be a Sword of Truth reference, but Doctor Who
seems more subject-appropriate
L250[19:18:20] <packbart> I'm Jeb. And
you're in the biggest space simulator in the galaxy. Launch me
up.
L251[19:34:07] <Mat2ch> !mission
L252[19:34:08] <LunchBot> You forget that
bird watching goes both ways. Your kerbals are mashed into
something amazingly like mystery goo.
L253[19:34:17] <Mat2ch> !mission
L254[19:34:17] <LunchBot> You consult the
Grimoire for Summoning the Zoologically Dubious. Cirno is
embarassed by your poor math skills.
L255[19:34:25] <Mat2ch> !mission
L256[19:34:25] <LunchBot> You search for
Moho's lost atmosphere and mountains. It sets a new record for the
Island Express.
L257[19:34:37] <Althego> the birds are
watchnig you back?
L258[19:35:17] <Mat2ch> and they are
waiting. Eagerly.
L259[19:35:32] <packbart>
Biiirrdeeeemic
L260[19:35:37] <packbart> scnr
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L264[20:27:24] <raptop> As it turns out,
the birds really like their new NSA jobs
L265[20:27:48] *
raptop vaguely wonders if anyone gets the Cirno ref
L266[21:22:53] <FLHerne> ;mission add A
self-help book tells you never look back. This seems wise, because
all the things you might crash into are in front of you.
L267[21:22:53] <LunchBot> Added mission: A
self-help book tells you never look back. This seems wise, because
all the things you might crash into are in front of you.
L268[21:23:11] <FLHerne> ;mission fixup
s/never/to never/
L269[21:23:11] <LunchBot> New text is: A
self-help book tells you to never look back. This seems wise,
because all the things you might crash into are in front of
you.
L270[21:50:53] <raptop> !mission add You
describe a 9-SRB rocket as highly unrealistic and unlikely to see
much use.
L271[21:50:53] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You describe a 9-SRB rocket as highly unrealistic and unlikely to
see much use.
L272[21:54:10] <raptop> ...it's too bad
that the various Co-60 incidents don't really lend themselves to a
good ominious mission
L273[21:55:29] <raptop> !outcome add At
least your crew capsules can be easily repurposed as spy
satellites.
L274[21:55:29] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
At least your crew capsules can be easily repurposed as spy
satellites.
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