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L27[03:24:04] <raptop> !mission
L28[03:24:04] <LunchBot> raptop: You switch
to an x64 version of KSP. Remember not to turn during booster
separation!
L29[03:24:24] <raptop> Remember when there
were 32bit versions?
L30[03:34:42] <Althego> the internet doesnt
let the zombie do math
L31[03:35:26] <raptop> oh no
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L49[07:06:09] <funkenstein> so I went to
Missions for th3e first time since 1.8ish and I found a mission
labeled "Ziggy Kerman and the Spiders from Duna" and i am
overjoyed
L50[07:07:43] <Althego> hehehe
L51[07:08:12] <funkenstein> when the G's
had killed the man, the had to BREAK UP THE BAAAND
L52[07:08:53] <funkenstein> hmm
L53[07:09:36] <funkenstein> is "you
are disappointed to find that there are no spiders on Mars." a
mission or an outcome
L54[07:09:50] <funkenstein> I was thinking
outcome but would seem it works for both
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L58[08:41:03] <packbart> ugh. I just fell
into a salt stack. so, apparently, Elite Dangerous on consoles
won't be getting new extensions (ie. Odyssey) and the whinge is out
in force
L59[08:41:28] <packbart> "How dare
they stop development after only 7 years. I want my money
back!1"
L60[08:41:51] <packbart> does the KSP
console port still get updates?
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L65[08:54:16] <Althego> DHL Boeing B757
suffers RUNWAY EXCURSION | Empennage Broke Apart
L66[08:55:24] <Althego> i noticed that the
fire tucks were there instantly, so they were waiting for the
landing, so i checked vasaviation, and there it was
L67[08:55:54] <Althego> they had a
hydraulic failure
L68[08:56:09] <Althego> probably that
caused the problems after landing
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L71[08:58:10] <packbart> yeah, there's some
speculation going on in the avherald comments about the left thrust
reverser not deploying and the pilot trying to lock the brakes to
counteract the asymmetry. or something, I'm not an expert in
that
L72[09:14:08] <Mat2ch> the report will soon
be available.
L73[09:14:26] <Mat2ch> Also the obligatory:
Oh, that's where my package went!
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L75[09:18:00] <Mat2ch> Drone light shows
are somewhat satisfying
L76[09:18:04] <Guest17584> moin
L77[09:18:07] <Guest17584> althego?
L78[09:18:26] <Mat2ch> What scifi movie
predicted drone light shows? I don't know any
L79[09:18:31] <Mat2ch> Guest17584: Just ask
to ask :)
L80[09:18:46] <Mat2ch> eh, don't ask to
ask, just ask :D
L81[09:18:53] <Mat2ch> Early in the
morning. Only 11 :P
L82[09:20:06] <Guest17584> ^^ iam the
german guy from yesterday. i return back for another
question.
L83[09:20:06] <Guest17584> How can i
finance my expensive rockets? when i want to lift of only 200k
dollar rockets. are there any tips?
L84[09:20:22] <Guest17584> i want 1 rocket
for all situations
L85[09:20:43] <funkenstein> hmm
L86[09:21:08] <Guest17584> worth it to
trade science into money when i researched all?
L87[09:21:09] <packbart> there are
strategies (in the KSC admin building) to convert science or
reputation into credits
L88[09:21:11] <Mat2ch> Guest17584: you get
lots of money for doing missions
L89[09:21:48] <Guest17584> good idea. trade
science yes.
L90[09:21:49] <Guest17584> how worth it is
to have near 100% reputation?
L91[09:21:51] <Mat2ch> I usually do some
"place sat in orbit" missions
L92[09:21:51] <packbart> Guest17584: when
your tech tree is all researched, there's no reason not to convert
science into credits
L93[09:22:46] <Mat2ch> sometimes I do 4 to
5 of those missions at once. Since you still own the sat after the
mission is done, you can build one sat and do several missions with
it :D
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L96[09:23:39] <packbart> reputation
supposedly influences the nature and rewards of the contracts beíng
offered
L97[09:23:49] <packbart> I never really saw
a difference, tbh
L98[09:25:15] <Mat2ch> And I never got my
reputation to 100 %
L99[09:28:01] <Guest17584> yes i heard
about that you can never reach 100%
L100[09:28:01] <Guest17584> any idead how
to equip my adapter? its a kerbodyne adapter tank with 5 engine
slots. idk how to equip because the engines are too small or to
big
L101[09:28:42] <Guest17584> i unlocked
every engine but iam maybe blind
L102[09:29:52] <Mat2ch> uhhh
L103[09:30:00] <Mat2ch> five slots? Which
one it?
L104[09:30:05] <packbart> the 5m adapter
thingy?
L105[09:30:06] <Mat2ch> What's the full
name?
L106[09:30:09] <Mat2ch> oh!
L108[09:30:24] <Mat2ch> here is a list of
all parts
L109[09:31:03] <Mat2ch> Kerbodyne
ADTP-2-3?
L110[09:31:53] <Guest17584> i will
look
L111[09:32:07] <Mat2ch> A picture helps,
too :)
L113[09:33:13] <packbart> it works well
with the Mastodon (if you switch the Mastodon to its bare
variant)
L114[09:33:38] <Mat2ch> ah, I don't have
the Making History Expansion
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L116[09:35:38] <funkenstein> the game
crashed, and now when I try to open it i get a steam error window
saying "An error occurred while updating kerbal Space Program
(app running)
L117[09:35:47] <Guest17584> jo i dont find
it in the list. its like the S3 KS-25x4 "Mammoth" Liquid
Fuel Engine but without engines
L118[09:35:53] <funkenstein> however, I
closed the app with task manager
L119[09:36:11] <Guest17584> funkenstein
are you german?
L120[09:36:21] <Guest17584> i will try
mastodon. thx
L121[09:36:43] <funkenstein> Guest17584
partially, why
L122[09:37:12] <Guest17584> because your
name could be german. Funke and stein is a german word
L123[09:37:20] <funkenstein> ah
L124[09:37:41] <Guest17584> funke is like
spark i think and stein is stone
L125[09:37:46] <funkenstein> this is true,
it's a reference to a band
L126[09:37:51] <packbart> The Flintstones
are back!
L127[09:38:03] <funkenstein> though I like
the idea of flintstone lmao
L128[09:38:05] <funkenstein> ayy
L129[09:38:15] <Guest17584> ah yes
flintstone is a better translation xD
L131[09:40:04] <Guest17584> okay i placed
the mastodon. any ideas for the 4 left slots? s3-ks vektor fits.
you think thats a good choice?
L132[09:40:46] <packbart> another 4
Mastodons ;)
L133[09:40:49] <Guest17584> hahahha
L134[09:40:59] <Guest17584> damn my rocket
costs over 200k with one
L135[09:41:18] <packbart> you can switch
most of the engines to bare variants and they'll fit
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L137[09:41:39] <Guest17584> not the
mastodons haha
L138[09:42:20] <packbart> sure they can.
there are 3 variants of it
L140[09:42:52] <packbart> I think I also
used Skippers or Mainsails with that tank
L141[09:42:54] <Guest17584> i right
clicked it. there are no options like on the other engines
L142[09:43:06] <Guest17584>
ohhhhhhhhh
L143[09:43:11] <Guest17584> this
engine
L144[09:43:23] <Guest17584> oops. so
google translated it wrong haha
L145[09:44:50] <packbart> Vectors are
probably a good fit, too. basically, anything that sums up to a
good launch TWR
L146[09:50:34] <packbart> anyway, I'm out
for now
L147[09:50:49] <Guest17584> thank
you
L148[09:52:14] <Guest17584> @the others.
did you ever visit all planets?
L149[09:53:42] <umaxtu> I haven't
L150[09:55:18] <Guest17584> idk the delta
V map. but maybe you can answer me this question. is it possible to
land on mun with 3k delta V an go in a minmus orbit an then return
to kerbin?
L151[09:55:37] <Guest17584> i have 3k
delta V an iam in a muin orbit
L152[09:55:41] <Guest17584> mun
L153[10:02:05] <packbart> should be
possible if the plane change doesn't cut too much into it. I
roughly estimate 800m/s to land on the Mun, 600 to get back to
orbit. so that's about 1500m/s to be safe. circularizing at Minmus
takes, say, about 200m/s and return to Kerbin about 300m/s. that
leaves 1000m/s for the transfer from Mun to Minumus (and possibly
covers landing on Minmus, too)
L154[10:02:26] <packbart> (yeah, I'm going
to the office today. really soon now. just one more minute ;)
L155[10:02:44] <Althego> office on
friday
L156[10:02:46] <Althego> that sucks
L157[10:03:12] <packbart> I haven't been
there for almost two weeks. I should get back into the rhythm
L158[10:03:30] <Althego> the future is not
office
L159[10:03:39] <Guest17584> ah return or
get in orbit to minmus is cheaper? although it has a
athmosphere?
L160[10:03:42] <Althego> 2 years of virus
taught this to companies
L161[10:04:20] <Mat2ch> I visited all the
planets, iirc.
L162[10:04:33] <Mat2ch> But some just with
disposable satellites
L163[10:04:37] <Guest17584> what does iirc
mean?
L164[10:04:42] <packbart> I'm not an
efficient home officer, tbh. I like my office desk and meeting
coworkers on the balcony
L165[10:04:54] <packbart> Guest17584:
"if I remember correctly"
L166[10:05:05] <Mat2ch> I wanted to make
crewed missions everywhere. I tried several times, but then usually
got reminded how badly ksp performes with my creations...
L167[10:05:15] <Guest17584> ah nice. i
will notice that
L168[10:05:24] <Mat2ch> iirc = if I
remember correctly.
L169[10:05:34] <Althego> Guest17584: there
are two delta v maps in the topic
L170[10:06:00] <Mat2ch> I have built huge
contraceptions to explore Jool and all of its moons with a single
mission
L171[10:06:02] <Guest17584> heyy althego.
iam the german guy
L172[10:06:29] <Althego> my first jool
mission, so nostalgic
L173[10:06:40] <packbart> Guest17584:
Minmus doesn't have an atmosphere. or did you mean the return to
Kerbin? it takes less dV _because_ Kerbin has an atmosphere that
helps with slowing down
L174[10:06:46] <Mat2ch> had a pusher,
several landers, a miner, even a SSTO plane for Laythe with
me
L175[10:07:06] <Althego> to this day i
think that was the most successful mission i ever did. it
overperformed all goals
L176[10:07:07] <Guest17584> i have 236h in
ksp and never land on minmus because iam in fear. it has a
athmosphere, or?
L177[10:07:21] <Althego>
noatmosphere
L178[10:07:41] <packbart> so for a return
from a moon, I go for a ~30km periapsis at Kerbin
L179[10:08:08] <FLHerne> Mat2ch:
'contraceptions' is...not the word ;-)
L180[10:08:19] <Althego>
contraptions
L181[10:08:25] <Althego> only eve, kerbin,
duna, jool, laythe have atmospheres
L182[10:08:26] <Guest17584> alcohol and
ksp. i love it
L183[10:09:22] <FLHerne> Does Kerbol have
an atmosphere?
L184[10:09:29] <Guest17584> kerbin?
L185[10:09:43] <FLHerne> or does the game
just assume you'll fry before it matters
L186[10:09:48] <Althego> hmm, i never
tried going that close to the sun
L187[10:10:10] <FLHerne> oh yeah, they
renamed it
L188[10:10:24] <packbart> there are
examples on the forum picking up science "flying over the
sun" or something like that
L189[10:10:27] <Althego> so what is the
official name? kerbol or sun?
L190[10:10:32] <FLHerne> in early KSP
versions the sun was named Kerbol, iirc
L191[10:10:48] <Guest17584> in german its
sonne. translated its sun
L192[10:10:50] <FLHerne> they probably
decided it was clearer
L193[10:11:13] <packbart> the Wiki says
"Atmosphere present: Yes"
L194[10:11:16] <Guest17584> can you land
on the sun?
L195[10:11:32] <packbart> "Similar to
Jool, it's impossible to land on the Sun. Any objects are destroyed
at an altitude below -250 m, which shows in the end flight dialog
as "crashed into the surface of the sun" or similar,
rather than ever landing"
L196[10:11:44] <sandbox> "I have
built huge contraceptions to explore Jool and all of its moons with
a single mission" I wonder what that mission might be xD ...
anyway, moving on
L197[10:12:16] <Guest17584> ehm can you
land on every planet? idk the game very much but there have to be
gasplanets or?
L198[10:12:34] <packbart> there's Jool and
you can't land on it
L199[10:13:14] <Guest17584> good to know.
is the game give you information about that? because i would try to
land on it. i think
L200[10:13:25] <sandbox> wasn't there a
glitch that let you land on a tiny piece of Jool once?
L202[10:14:08] <FLHerne> huh, apparently
fans had named it 'Kerbol' before it even existed as more than
pixels on the lightbox texture :D
L203[10:14:38] <Althego> there was a video
long time ago when one guy planted a flag on jool
L204[10:14:42] <Althego> but that doesnt
work anymore
L205[10:14:52] <FLHerne> it's always been
'the Sun' in-game, but it seems to be Kerbol in KSP2
L206[10:14:58] <Guest17584> a
stratzenblitz i know him from youtube. does anyone know hes german?
because blitz is german and means lightning
L207[10:16:16] <sandbox> you can plant
flags on your ship then fly them into space
L208[10:16:36] <Mat2ch> FLHerne: oh,
contraptions :D
L209[10:16:55] <Guest17584> ksp2 relaese
2022 or?
L210[10:17:12] <Althego> who knows
L211[10:17:35] <Mat2ch> sandbox: yeah,
make fun of the non-native speaker :D
L213[10:18:13] <Guest17584> hahaha
L214[10:18:17] <Althego> hehe
L215[10:18:20] <Althego> space junk
L216[10:18:41] <Mat2ch> !mission add You
build a huge contraception instead of a contraption to escape Eves
atmosphere and reality.
L217[10:18:41] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: Added
mission: You build a huge contraception instead of a contraption to
escape Eves atmosphere and reality.
L218[10:18:44] <Althego> except i think
flags dont collide
L219[10:19:01] <sandbox> they do
L220[10:19:06] <Mat2ch> !mission
L221[10:19:06] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: You
attempt to mutate some neutrinos. You find your craft has a
striking resemblance to an enormous fidget spinner.
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L223[11:20:00] <Guest17584> i need
help
L224[11:20:18] <Guest17584> can someone
pick me up? iam in the minmus orbit
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L226[11:30:41] <Althego> from there you
can easily get back
L227[11:30:49] <Althego> just get out with
a kerbal and push
L228[11:31:03] <Mat2ch> hrhr
L229[11:31:20] <Guest17584> iam
handycaped
L230[11:31:33] <Guest17584> idk the right
translation. you know what i mean
L232[11:32:39] <Althego> spacex
launch
L233[11:32:50] <Althego> but there will be
about 3 hours of boring talks in the beginning
L234[11:36:44] <Althego> local leet
time
L235[11:36:52] <Althego> hoh wait not
yet
L236[11:37:01] <Althego> now
L237[11:37:19] <Althego> strange, i was
never too early
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L240[12:02:21] <Mat2ch> remind me in 3
hours...
L241[12:03:20] <Althego> wake me up before
you go go
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L243[12:46:47] <Mat2ch> No, please no.
Everytime someone mentions a song it starts playing in my
mind...
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L249[13:28:12] <funkenstein> ask not for
whom the chicken h bird of fire kikkerikis?
L250[13:28:47] <Althego> control h would
be the delete character
L251[13:30:35] <funkenstein> so
L252[13:30:48] <Althego> not a chicken but
a phoenix
L253[13:30:56] <funkenstein> ask not for
whom the chicken firebird crows
L254[13:31:10] <funkenstein> ask not for
whom the phoenix crows
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L256[13:49:23] <packbart> AX1 sells
mission-NFTs...
L257[13:53:15] <Althego> eh
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L260[14:23:20] <Althego> kikkerikii
L261[14:24:03] <darsie> .
L262[14:34:35] <FLHerne> SporkWitch:
yay
L263[14:35:11] <SporkWitch> i'm breaking
my own rule and really getting hyped heh. Definitely hope we get a
firm release date sometime this year (even if the date itself isn't
this year)
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L266[14:43:50] <FLHerne> !stupid add
"Interstellar travel is like trying to hit a grape on the
surface of the Moon."
L267[14:43:50] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added
stupid quote: "Interstellar travel is like trying to hit a
grape on the surface of the Moon."
L269[14:49:34] <SporkWitch> crewed
launch
L270[14:50:03] <Althego> private crew
launch
L271[14:50:21] <Althego> somehow i thought
they were not going to the iss, but they are
L272[14:51:09] <SporkWitch> i forget, are
spacex's engines already running on methalox or just planned to
once they start doing mars missions?
L273[14:51:52] <Althego> merlin is
kerolox
L274[14:52:07] <SporkWitch> gotcha, just
the raptor running on methane?
L275[14:52:15] <Althego> yes
L276[14:53:35] <Althego> as for ksp2, i
hope it will be great one day, but no hype
L277[14:53:54] <Althego> maybe if they had
at least a closed beta already
L278[14:54:28] <SporkWitch> i get ya, and
that's exactly why i try to avoid hype for games, reduces
disappointment heh. It's why i wasn't disappointed in Cyberpunk: i
didn't follow it at all lol
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L412[15:25:56] <Althego> anti ship missile
incoming
L413[15:27:58] <SporkWitch> no boom
today
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L416[15:55:44] <raptop> hrm, lightyears
with sub-millimeter precision. Either it's just barely doing that
(like, 2 ly), or they're using something bigger than 64 bit
floats
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L421[16:29:03] <NGC3982> what reason does
it have to simulate actual light-years
L422[16:32:29] <Althego> because no
hyperspace jump
L423[16:33:06] <Althego> or friendship
drive :(
L424[16:43:34] <raptop> Δv!
L425[16:43:50] <raptop> !outcome
overheats
L426[16:43:50] <LunchBot> raptop: The
launch vehicle is too large for the lander and your craft
overheats.
L427[16:43:54] <raptop> !outcome overheats
and
L428[16:43:54] <LunchBot> raptop: Your
friendship drive overheats and everyone hates you.
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L431[18:34:19] <FLHerne> I really love
these videos
L432[18:35:05] <FLHerne> It's so obvious
that they really CARE
L433[18:35:37] <FLHerne> not just a
shovelware sequel because the last one sold
L434[18:37:16] <FLHerne> When they
announced KSP2 I expected it to be mostly the same game with a
prettier renderer and some new parts/textures, but that wasn't
enough
L435[18:44:37] <Mat2ch> videos? What
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L439[18:59:40] <FLHerne> and the dev
videos in general
L440[18:59:52] <FLHerne> was linked
earlier
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L443[19:25:44] <SporkWitch> NGC3982:
Althego: presumably they could set things up on a grid. Objects can
be tracked within the grid using a smaller variable than if you
needed to track position globally. When you transition from one
grid to another you can simply translate the position information
at the edge. Introduces some room for error, but I could see it
working reliably at arbitrary scales (if necessary, you
L444[19:25:48] <SporkWitch> nest
grids)
L445[19:26:14] <Althego> yes there are
tricks
L446[19:26:19] <Althego> they probably
need several of those
L447[19:28:28] <SporkWitch> yeah. You can
also do more transient grids, like EVE Online. Gets around the
precision problem by instantiating the grid around the object, and
then having the grid's position tracked relative to some other
landmark. If instead of centreing the grid on the first object to
appear in the area, you centre it on some fixed angle, you can use
an int instead of a float
L448[19:33:20] <Mat2ch> FLHerne: I didn't
see that :(
L449[19:33:22] <Mat2ch> Thank you!
L450[19:33:36] <SporkWitch> the steam
discussions are pretty bad, just a whole bunch of people crying
that the devs don't post there and claiming it's vaporware / dead /
abandoned. I can understand the impression (and really they SHOULD
be cross-posting these videos on steam), but come on, 30 seconds
googling would show new updates
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L453[19:36:29] <SporkWitch> hmmm... and
either a stick of RAM coincidentally went bad at the same time, or
my new keyboard is somehow causing BSODs... i really don't want to
deal with this. 4 sticks of 32GB each will take forever to test to
figure out which failed...
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L457[20:49:43] <umaxtu> good luck
SporkWitch
L458[21:56:57] <Mat2ch> SporkWitch: been
there, done that. Took me several nights of testing.
L459[21:57:23] <Mat2ch> But you can divide
et impera her. Or a binary search.
L460[21:57:40] <Mat2ch> Test the whole
thing through one night, if it fails, test half of it, etc.
L461[21:58:36] <Mat2ch> but memtest86 will
tell you were it failed, so you can simply divide the whole memory
by four and get the one that failed.
L462[21:58:59] <Mat2ch> on the other hand:
If you've got a fancy keyboard and if you installed drivers for
it... I'd say: Keyboard drivers.
L463[22:10:38] <Mat2ch> the last scene in
the video suggest an autopilot.
L464[22:15:12] <Mat2ch> and it makes
sense. If they really want to do it that big, than it needs
automating.
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L475[23:23:07] <FLHerne> IRC is very
silly
L476[23:24:35] <FLHerne> ;mission add Your
conti
L477[23:24:36] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added
mission: Your conti
L478[23:26:24] <FLHerne> ;mission add Your
five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new
life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no Kerbal has gone
before.
L479[23:26:25] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added
mission: Your five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to
seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no
Kerbal has gone before.
L480[23:30:31] <FLHerne> ;outcome add The
entire population of Kerbin witnesses the outcome -- the first few
milliseconds at least.
L481[23:30:31] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added
outcome: The entire population of Kerbin witnesses the outcome --
the first few milliseconds at least.