L1[00:02:16] <raptop> slfjkdg;

L2[00:02:54] <raptop> As a fraction of an orbit: 1/(4*sqrt(2)) * ((a1+a2)/a2)^1.5

L3[00:03:14] <raptop> In degrees: 90/sqrt(2) * ((a1+a2)/a2)^1.5

L6[01:07:57] <packbart> MechJeb's code throws names like Lambert, Gooding and Brent around

L7[01:12:22] <raptop> Lambert is a bit fancier, yes

L10[01:15:14] <raptop> Anyway, that gets you from analytic to numeric solution land. Also porkchop plots.

L15[02:14:23] <packbart> always a bit of an inner monologue in MJ code. https://github.com/MuMech/MechJeb2/blob/dev/MechJeb2/OrbitalManeuverCalculator.cs#L510

L16[02:14:29] <raptop> !mission add You roll up a new party for tonights session of Kobold Space Program.

L17[02:14:29] <LunchBot> raptop: Added mission: You roll up a new party for tonights session of Kobold Space Program.

L18[02:14:52] <raptop> !mission del You roll up a new party for tonights session of Kobold Space Program.

L19[02:14:53] <LunchBot> raptop: Deleted mission: "You roll up a new party for tonights session of Kobold Space Program."

L20[02:14:57] <raptop> !mission add You roll up a new party for tonight's session of Kobold Space Program.

L21[02:14:58] <LunchBot> raptop: Added mission: You roll up a new party for tonight's session of Kobold Space Program.

L22[02:15:04] <packbart> Advanced Dungeons and Rockets?

L23[02:15:21] <raptop> Something like that

L24[02:15:27] <raptop> Kraken, Tarrasque, close enough

L35[03:51:44] <funkenstein> ;outcome add The kobolds are using only javelins.

L36[03:51:44] <LunchBot> funkenstein: Added outcome: The kobolds are using only javelins.

L37[03:52:33] <Althego> against the orcs?

L38[03:52:59] <raptop> That's just silly. The Kobolds are allied with the orcs against the dwarves and elves

L39[03:54:47] <funkenstein> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin

L40[03:55:30] <Althego> i was thinking about that, that is why i mentioned the orcs.

L41[03:56:23] <raptop> ... oh, right. there's that silliness about one group calling themselves uruk-hai

L42[04:07:56] <XXCoder> ;mission

L43[04:07:56] <LunchBot> XXCoder: You experiment with dozens of small engines on your craft, EVE online style. B787_300 kicks you on sight.

L44[04:08:30] <XXCoder> b7 hates the lag it seems

L45[04:37:02] <funkenstein> ;mission

L46[04:37:03] <LunchBot> funkenstein: You insist on playing a 1. f3 opening. You go home for the holidays and get told off for playing too much KSp.

L47[04:37:16] <funkenstein> ;mission

L48[04:37:16] <LunchBot> funkenstein: Someone asks for your help on #kspofficial. In theory, the mission is a complete success!

L49[04:37:23] <funkenstein> ;mission

L50[04:37:23] <LunchBot> funkenstein: You try to fly the Aeris 4A to orbit. Your mission fails due to lack of exclamation points.

L51[04:37:31] <funkenstein> ;mission

L52[04:37:31] <LunchBot> funkenstein: You drop your snacks into the LOX tank to preserve them better. What are you asking me for? It's always "LunchBot, give me a mission." Don't you think I want to go on missions sometime? But nooo, I'm stuck here, giving you pithy statements.

L53[04:37:55] <funkenstein> hrtsuay a

L63[08:06:20] <packbart> the asymmetric engines on EVE ships are weird. then again is their version of "space" where smoke flows upwards

L64[08:09:43] <Althego> and there is a tiny speed limit in a liquid-like medium

L67[08:58:51] <packbart> well, Elite's got a similar slow-rule. It doesn't do orbits. Come to a complete stop above a planet and you'll just hang there forever

L68[08:59:13] <packbart> orbital mechanics don't make a good space shooter game

L69[08:59:53] <Althego> until war happens in space

L70[09:00:25] <Althego> then it will just basics

L71[09:00:31] <Althego> be

L72[09:01:26] <packbart> yeah, but it probably won't be a pew-pew close dogfighting war

L73[09:01:42] <Althego> as usual you wouldnt be able to see the enemy

L74[09:01:55] <Althego> possibly light seconds away

L75[09:02:12] <packbart> that dreaded slow speed of light

L76[09:03:30] <packbart> I was listening to a lot of the Expeditionary Force series. light-delay is a common problem in space warfare, especially with jump-drives that can just tunnel through space in an instant

L77[09:04:37] <Althego> it is hard to aim a something even with lasers, if it moves away in the mean time

L78[09:04:56] <Althego> but you still see it at the old position of course

L81[09:22:32] <darsie> Does EVE refer to the woman created by the god of Abraham?

L83[09:24:23] <Kalpa> It certainly does not, but to a massively multiplayer online spaceship game

L85[09:25:22] <darsie> What's the meaning of the EVE inscription on the gate that was supposed to stabilize the wormhole?

L86[09:38:22] <packbart> I'm not that deep into EVE, tbh

L87[10:08:44] <darsie> I read about it in wikipedia.

L88[10:09:07] <darsie> It's probably just a now irrelevant narrative.

L89[10:27:19] <funkenstein> ;outcome add Eve gains a second, slightly smaller eve, then explodes.

L90[10:27:19] <LunchBot> funkenstein: Added outcome: Eve gains a second, slightly smaller eve, then explodes.

L102[12:06:01] <Althego> hirys / guh / wazzup

L103[12:13:01] <Deddly> ;nextlunch

L104[12:13:01] <LunchBot> Deddly: Tuna salad sandwich.

L105[12:13:08] <Deddly> I've had worse

L106[12:23:16] <sandbox> I don't like tuna

L108[12:37:50] <Althego> leet time

L109[12:37:54] <Althego> barely

L110[12:53:18] <Mat2ch> but you made it

L112[13:03:25] <flayer> hey ho!

L114[13:24:02] <darsie> Wash your hands. Don't touch your face. Avoid fossil fuels and animal products. Elect sane politicians, invest ecologically, have no (or fewer) children (later).

L116[13:42:18] <Deddly> Poly ticcks?

L117[13:48:55] <sandbox> have all the children now

L118[13:49:31] <flayer> don't fart until you can't hold it in any longer!

L119[13:50:19] <Althego> just reabsorb the gases in your intestines

L120[13:50:41] <Mat2ch> That's the motto of the extinction rebellion.

L121[13:51:03] <darsie> Get a non gas evolving gut biome and keep it that way?

L122[13:51:06] <Mat2ch> But it's short-sighted.

L123[13:51:47] <darsie> .mission add You volunteer for rocket fuel production.

L124[13:51:48] <LunchBot> darsie: Added mission: You volunteer for rocket fuel production.

L125[13:51:49] <Mat2ch> Puts society decisions onto the individuals. But this is a job for politics, which we don't discuss here.

L126[13:52:59] <darsie> I object to suggesting Tuna salad sandwich.

L127[13:53:15] <darsie> This is off topic here.

L128[13:59:03] <Deddly> Yes please don't talk about politics here, including by saying something political followed by "which we don't discuss here" :/

L129[13:59:55] <Deddly> But tuna is OK

L130[14:00:23] <Deddly> Except for political tuna

L131[14:29:01] <Mat2ch> but what if that statement is actually made by scientists with data proofing it?

L132[14:34:48] <Deddly> Well I mean, political science is a thing too, but it's out of bounds for the KSP community because whether or not there's science behind certain things, there are some subjects that are just too volatile, and experience shows that no online community can handle those things without hatred and flame wars, even ours.

L133[14:37:33] <Deddly> Religious discussion is another area that we can't allow. It's not because Squad/TakeTwo etc. have taken a view that religion is wrong, it's just that discussion of the subject between strangers online can only rarely occur without hurt feelings.

L134[14:40:37] <Althego> kikkerikii

L136[15:40:38] <flayer> Mat2ch, i am in favor of producing as much as we can while we can - i think there is a temporary moment where we can do this, and whatever choices we make will lead to some type of collapse. The hardships faced then will mean that the stronger methods & people survive, with the strongest tech being adopted. best that there be a lot to be picked from, thus as many people and as much stuff as possible. keep producing!!!

L137[16:14:01] <darsie> I don't like spaghetti, even though I'm an official member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

L138[16:15:55] <darsie> Hmm, I might actually have hurt someone by saying this.

L141[17:14:31] <raptop> The correct approach to spagehetti is to confuse everyone by putting marinara sauce on it

L142[17:14:45] <raptop> Or to use rotini or something in a peanut sauce

L143[17:14:50] <Mat2ch> And then cut them up into small pieces.

L144[17:15:04] <Mat2ch> Very small pieces

L145[17:17:39] <packbart> "Rotini is related to fusilli, but has a tighter helix, i.e. with a smaller pitch" - Compact Fusilli, I see

L149[17:49:31] <darsie> Fusili are halal.

L150[17:49:41] <darsie> oops, this is not ##vegan .

L151[17:50:00] <raptop> blink

L152[17:52:12] <darsie> Hmm, RO, RSS and RP1 all seem to be available for 1.12, but some of them only show up when I also allow 1.11 or so.

L153[17:52:18] <darsie> in ckan

L154[17:52:30] <kubi> magic

L155[17:53:16] <darsie> I guess I have to try. But first I must criticize CERN.

L156[17:55:30] <Althego> for what

L157[17:55:38] <Althego> for consuming energy?

L158[17:56:32] <kubi> for not creating a black hole when they could have, so we have to be here

L159[17:56:45] <Althego> hehe

L160[17:56:51] <Althego> it was unlikely anyway

L161[17:57:06] <Althego> supposedly cosmic rays and stuff have higher energies

L162[17:57:21] <darsie> https://home.cern/science/physics/matter-antimatter-asymmetry-problem

L169[19:15:37] <packbart> darsie: possibly because of dependencies that haven't been updated to 1.12 (in CKAN's meta data)

L178[20:46:12] <XXCoder> ;mission

L179[20:46:12] <LunchBot> XXCoder: In your hunger for power, you devour a Yatagarasu. You are forced to use a slide rule.

L180[20:47:30] <XXCoder> 3 legged crow. hm lol

L181[20:48:02] <darsie> .

L182[20:59:59] <raptop> [Solar Sect of Mystic Wisdom begins playing]

L188[21:40:32] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1505987581464367104 May it is... hopefully.

L189[21:42:27] <darsie> It's March over here.

L190[21:42:39] <darsie> SS orbit?

L191[21:44:10] <Mat2ch> Not really orbit

L192[21:44:17] <Mat2ch> first flight

L193[21:44:25] <Mat2ch> given that the FAA gives its approval

L194[21:44:27] <Mat2ch> we will see

L195[21:44:47] <darsie> Ahh, watering near Hawaii.

L197[21:46:29] <Mat2ch> And B4 and S20 will soon be scrapped

L198[21:46:37] <Mat2ch> I guess we will see B7 and S22 fly

L199[21:46:42] <Mat2ch> maybe even S23

L200[21:47:14] <darsie> S20 as in serial 20?

L201[21:47:19] <Mat2ch> Ship 20

L202[21:47:40] <darsie> But Elon said both the second stage and the stack are "Starship".

L203[21:48:00] <Mat2ch> Yes, but the booster is named booster somehow

L204[21:48:13] <Mat2ch> so it's Booster 4 and Starship 20...

L205[21:48:19] <Mat2ch> the naming is a bit confusing

L206[21:49:19] <Mat2ch> oh, S23 was partially scrapped and the remaining parts became 24. So B7 and S24 most likely.

L211[23:08:36] <raptop> sounding rocket in ~3.5 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax7yNS0m7po