L3[00:31:30] <darkie> /me went to Kerbin orbit with 2754 m/s vacuum dv.

L4[00:31:30] <darkie> https://i.postimg.cc/Fm8cpmCQ/screenshot531.png

L5[00:31:30] <darkie> https://i.postimg.cc/Fm8cpmCQ/screenshot531.png

L6[00:31:45] <darkie> *sigh*

L7[00:32:40] <darkie> The maps say 3300 and 3400 m/s.

L8[00:33:36] <darkie> Well, they also go to 80 km.

L9[00:37:23] <UmbralRaptop> hrm, 70 km is 2296 m/s, and you get ~175 m/s for free…

L10[00:38:05] <UmbralRaptop> The rest being an efficient ascent seems plausible

L11[00:38:15] <darkie> With all my 2759 m/s I get to 73 km, which is good enough and gives me more Oberth effect than 80 km.

L12[00:40:28] <darkie> This rocket was purpose built for efficient ascent.

L13[00:41:13] <UmbralRaptop> nice

L14[00:42:08] <darkie> Slim, smooth, thrustworthy :)

L37[08:28:12] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1484012192915677184

L38[08:28:14] <Mat2ch> soooooo

L39[08:28:34] <Althego> yes i aws looking atthat a few minutes ago

L57[14:10:36] <Eddi|zuHause> i can never remember this... in which direction does the mun surface move underneath me?

L58[14:11:27] <Althego> freom west to east?

L59[14:13:11] <darkie> When looking from North down at Mun, it orbits around Kerbin and rotates CCW.

L60[14:13:35] <darkie> Tidally locked to Kerbin.

L61[14:14:01] <darkie> So no direkt signal link to Kerbin from the far side ever.

L62[14:15:04] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm trying to catch some "spaceflight above X m" measurements from a polar orbit

L63[14:15:39] <darkie> Should work. Might need a little plane change.

L64[14:16:08] <darkie> You can observe the rotation ;).

L65[14:16:10] <Eddi|zuHause> wondering right now whether i should try to wait for the locations to pass underneath me

L66[14:16:48] <darkie> Saves fuel, wastes time ;).

L67[14:17:04] <Eddi|zuHause> i have snacks for 15 days

L68[14:17:38] <Eddi|zuHause> how long is a mun day?

L69[14:17:43] <darkie> One Munar orbit is ~7 days, IIRC, and you can cover all surface in half of that.

L70[14:17:51] <darkie> LOS may be an issue.

L71[14:19:23] <Eddi|zuHause> why?

L72[14:20:11] <darkie> If you want to use both orbit halves, one of which will not have line of sight to Kerbin. But you can cover the whole surface in 7 days with signal.

L73[14:20:51] <Eddi|zuHause> but i have a pilot on board, so loss of connectivity isn't really a problem

L74[14:21:03] <darkie> Ok.

L75[14:21:36] <Eddi|zuHause> also, my current orbit plane should be fully in range

L76[14:21:48] <darkie> You can also pick your departure to get the data quickly.

L77[14:22:04] <flayer> Eddi|zuHause, i see you are also a man of culture, playing with the snacks mod

L78[14:22:08] <darkie> This may be tricky, though.

L79[14:23:33] <darkie> Space toilets suck.

L80[14:24:52] <Althego> literally

L81[14:25:25] <darkie> yes :)

L82[14:25:39] <Eddi|zuHause> train toilets, too. nowadays :)

L83[14:27:36] <darkie> Actually (© Sabine Hossenfelder), they don't suck, air pushes.

L84[14:27:52] <darkie> In solids and liquids there can be sucking.

L85[14:28:03] <Althego> right

L86[14:28:07] <Eddi|zuHause> trains don't move. the earth moves beneath them.

L87[14:28:12] <darkie> :)

L88[14:28:46] <darkie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSG4Rfc9YIw

L89[14:29:04] <darkie> How to talk like a physicist

L90[14:29:17] <Eddi|zuHause> (that's essentially what my dad taught me when i was a kid sitting in a train, watching the station clock move away

L91[14:29:19] <Eddi|zuHause> )

L98[18:06:10] <Althego> kikkerikii

L99[18:10:17] <darkie> .

L100[18:11:45] <raptop> [insert snek noises here]

L101[18:13:10] <SporkWitch> raptop: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/812736295814168623/933786207740104714/please_tread.png

L102[18:13:43] <raptop> hmm

L103[18:44:10] <Eddi|zuHause> i still can't land planes in this game...

L104[18:44:39] <Althego> autoland too rough with this aircraft

L105[18:44:43] <Althego> autoland not installed

L106[18:45:02] <SporkWitch> Eddi|zuHause: have you unlocked medium landing gear? it makes a world of difference

L107[18:45:07] <darkie> Planes are finicky in KSP.

L108[18:45:14] <SporkWitch> the small gear may as well be made of popsicle sticks

L110[18:47:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i have the 2nd generation of wheels... the collapsible ones

L111[18:48:16] <darkie> I think that's the small one.

L112[18:50:32] <raptop> The retractable ones should be non-terrible. Those initial fixed ones, though

L113[18:51:12] <SporkWitch> darkie: the smalls are fixed, not retractable

L114[18:51:31] <SporkWitch> the mediums are what i use on my mk2 format spaceplanes

L115[18:51:40] <darkie> SY-10 Small Landing Gear is retractable.

L116[18:52:02] <SporkWitch> really? O.o i never noticed any smalls that could retract, thought the mediums were the first that could

L117[18:53:06] <darkie> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Parts#Landing_gears

L118[18:53:07] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/LY-10_Small_Landing_Gear

L120[18:56:18] <Eddi|zuHause> i need to learn how to use these VTOL engines

L121[18:56:52] <SporkWitch> i've not tried doing a VTOL in kerbin gravity yet; EVERYTHING is vtol on minmus lol

L122[18:57:22] <Eddi|zuHause> so... i think that counts as a landing

L123[18:57:37] <SporkWitch> if your kerbals survive, it counts as a landing

L124[18:58:54] <darkie> I made a VTOL with the Juno.

L125[18:59:05] <darkie> What makes an engine VTOL?

L126[18:59:52] <Eddi|zuHause> it says "VTOL" on the label

L127[18:59:56] <SporkWitch> either extra engines mounted vertically, or a tilt-engine/wing setup

L128[19:00:48] <darkie> Whic engine says "VTOL" on the label

L129[19:01:33] <SporkWitch> literally just the ability to take off and land vertically and then shift to normal flight once airborne. STOL would mean it can't take off completely vertically, but can use a shorter runway by redirecting thrust (most VTOL aircraft will normally do this, as it's far more fuel-efficient than a purely vertical takeoff; they'll even only do that when the runway is short enough to require it)

L130[19:02:27] <darkie> Any jet engine can take off vertically, IMO.

L131[19:02:32] <darkie> At least in KSP.

L132[19:02:41] <Althego> if you have enough of it

L133[19:03:13] <darkie> Well, the craft has to have >1 TWR.

L135[19:03:41] <darkie> My Juno VTOL had just one engine.

L137[19:05:36] <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably from some mod...

L138[19:06:02] <darkie> Ahh, ic.

L139[19:22:44] <darkie> Juno VTOL: https://i.postimg.cc/7whZ1d77/screenshot535.png

L140[19:23:03] <Althego> cute

L141[19:23:09] <darkie> :)

L142[19:23:24] <darkie> Not sure if I circumnavigated Kerbin with one of these onec.

L143[19:30:47] <darkie> Equator=3770 km, Range=5164+ km.

L144[19:41:21] <darkie> Better range: 7249 km

L145[19:47:41] <darkie> "Since Jet engines rely on a turbine to compress fuel and atmosphere together in order to produce thrust ..." It's the compressor that compresses air, which then gets combusted and the exhaust drives the turbine.

L146[19:48:09] <darkie> But yeah, the compressor won't compress without the turbine.

L147[19:49:00] <darkie> "it takes time to change speed." It also takes time to change speed with rockets. But ... it takes time to change thrust.

L150[21:23:51] <raptop> Althego: ...in retrospect, I shouldn't be surprised that the Hanako game I sometimes heard hololive-id is 花子さん

L152[21:29:03] <SporkWitch> WEEB

L153[21:29:04] <Althego> i didnt watch ollie's hanako stream

L154[21:29:04] <SporkWitch> :P

L155[21:30:38] <raptop> Duolingo: why do you want to learn Japanese? Me: uh, culture I guess

L156[21:31:14] <SporkWitch> confirmed: raptop wants to know what the tentacle monster is saying

L157[21:31:45] <Althego> says wah

L158[21:31:48] <raptop> Conveniently, ina mostly speaks english!

L160[21:34:01] <SporkWitch> so i picked up trailmakers, i will temper my complaints bout KSP's aerodynamics from now on (i'll still complain, but it's definitely easier to control KSP planes lol)

L161[21:34:17] <raptop> yay

L162[21:34:37] <SporkWitch> definitely a fun game, though, especially the "transformers" aspect of it. You can hotkey 4 of your vehicle presets and switch between them on the fly

L163[21:34:45] <raptop> Also, I'm legally obligated to point out that ferram4 (yes, that ferram4) often flies planes using PWM

L164[21:35:56] <SporkWitch> i haven't really messed with ferram, much. I like the idea of planes actually handling like planes, but i'm wary of the added complication of dealing with super- and hypersonic flight dynamics

L165[21:36:29] <SporkWitch> if they could just get the weather-vane effect implemented, i'd be largely fine with the stock model

L166[21:38:22] <Althego> oh no, fauna started jump king, and irys will start it soon

L167[21:38:29] <Althego> i guess i have to watch these back on saturday

L169[21:45:10] <darkie> The VTOL has landed: https://i.postimg.cc/331jsw-Yy/screenshot545.png

L171[21:52:07] <raptop> smol

L172[21:55:33] <darkie> And ran out of EC, because I turned off the engine.

L173[22:12:24] <raptop> oh well

L174[22:20:46] <darkie> np