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L1[00:06:52] <raptop> They might collide
with the boosters, pushing them away. But sepratrons would probably
be best
L2[00:11:53] <SporkWitch> yeah, no
separatrons yet, never needed them before and did need other stuff
lol
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L19[01:51:49] <SporkWitch> so to my
question last night re: efficiently moving fuel around, if you open
multiple tanks and hit "out" on the one you want to be
the source, it will fill all of the open tanks
L20[01:51:58] <SporkWitch> i assuming it
obeys priority, as well
L21[01:53:47] <SporkWitch> gah, and because
of how I sent my tug up, it now thinks its orientation is upside
down >_< lol
L22[01:54:03] <SporkWitch> is there any way
to redefine which is dorsal and which is ventral ? lol
L23[01:54:52] <SporkWitch> i was wondering
why my controls werenn't working how i expected lol
L24[01:55:30] <SporkWitch> nm, control
point was wrong, that's what did it >_< lol
L25[02:05:13] <SporkWitch> ... when you
accidentally hit left-shift after docking your tug and forgetting
to turn the engines off...
L26[02:08:46] <SporkWitch> station
construction lesson definitely learned: if you plan to have a bunch
of fuel storage on it, make sure the fuel storage module is the
first thing you put in orbit; everything else will be lighter and
easier to rendesvous and attach lol
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L29[02:14:34] <raptop> weep
L30[02:14:37] <raptop> er eep
L31[02:16:14] <SporkWitch> i'm pretty sure
the reason the original module was sent up was a contract heh
L33[02:17:12] <SporkWitch> the tanks and
everything below it are new. the little ship is the tug I used to
position it
L34[02:18:28] <SporkWitch> would have been
much easier if i sent it up empty, granted, but now I have 11241
fuel and 9768 oxidizer, plus 9768 monoprop sitting in a 150.7/152
kerbin orbit ^^
L35[02:18:50] <SporkWitch> that's going to
make establishing the mining infrastructure at minmus MUCH
easier
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L61[08:24:28] <Mat2ch> SporkWitch: there
was a launch, a Starlink mission, supposed to happen, but it
didn't. The video was about a Raptor 2 test that burnt a bit too
much of the engine...
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L65[08:58:16] <SporkWitch> ah
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L67[09:24:21] <XXCoder> ;mission
L68[09:24:21] <LunchBot> XXCoder: You
launch a ship propelled by hacked decouplers. KSP crashes your
monitor.
L70[09:24:43] <XXCoder> shouldnt have bougt
cheap montiors
L71[09:24:48] <SporkWitch> i literally
watched a video a day or two ago of a ship built entirely of
decouplers...
L72[09:25:55] <Mat2ch> !mission
L73[09:25:55] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: You take
off your engineering hat, and put on your management hat. Your
Riemann manifold is punctured.
L74[09:26:13] <Mat2ch> dang.
L75[09:26:22] <XXCoder> cursed management
hat
L76[09:29:40] <bees> Mat2ch: You attempt to
use a slide rule. You remember the times with things just couldn't
go that badly.
L77[09:43:52] <Mat2ch> Those were the
times.
L78[09:44:56] <Althego> hehe
L79[10:00:24] <SporkWitch> that makes my
brain hurt. it looks like there's a sentence there but there's
not...
L80[10:01:19] <SporkWitch> "you
remember the times with things just couldn't go that badly";
it's literally two disparate sentence fragments, which don't go
together, and can't form a complete sentence with it...
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L85[12:02:19] <FLHerne> SporkWitch:
Starlink was postponed a day for weather
L86[12:23:54] <bees> SporkWitch: You blow
Alcubierre soap bubbles. In the ensuing investigation, you maintain
that that mountain, quote, "came out of freaking
nowhere."
L87[12:25:02] <Althego> hehe
L89[12:40:46] <Althego> too late
L90[12:41:03] <darkie> mhm
L91[12:41:19] <darkie> I was away getting
some glasses.
L93[12:43:34] <Althego> doesnt look
special
L94[12:46:54] <darkie> It has uniform
thinness, which makes it break less likely from thermal
shock.
L95[12:47:09] <darkie> I like them.
L96[12:47:24] <Althego> just dont keep
molten lead in them or something
L97[12:47:44] <darkie> I could, if I heat
the glass slowly.
L98[12:48:13] <darkie> But when the lead
melts and sticks to the glass, then solidifies and contracts it can
break.
L99[12:48:57] <Althego> anyway for human
consumable liquids the possibility of thermal shock induced break
is low
L100[12:49:36] <darkie> Someone took a
glass out of a dishwasher while still hot and poured cold beer in
it. It cracked.
L101[12:50:26] <darkie> There's also hot
water for making tea.
L102[12:52:15] <Mat2ch> Jup, for tea use
special glasses
L103[12:52:24] <Mat2ch> regular water
glasses are not made for hot liquids.
L104[12:52:51] <Mat2ch> also glass is a
bad insulator :P
L105[12:54:16] <darkie> Thermal
conductivity: 0.7–1.3 W/(m·K)[13]
L106[12:59:08] <darkie> Porcelain is 1.5
W/Km
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L108[13:14:15] <Mat2ch> Diamonds haben
1000 W/(mK). I didn't know. I need a diamond on my cpu!
L109[13:14:58] <darkie> :)
L111[13:16:48] <darkie> Ohh no, (10^-3
cal/(cm sec oC)
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L115[13:23:32] <flayer> Heyo
L116[13:25:18] <darkie> .
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L120[14:19:40] <raptop> !mission
L121[14:19:40] <LunchBot> raptop: You
outsource the assembly of your rockets to the General Products
Corporation. You conclude that jet engines can live on
Laythe.
L122[14:19:51] <raptop> I think that was a
success?
L123[14:21:49] <Althego> omni consumer
products
L124[14:22:48] <bees> raptop: You grab a
kerbal with two Klaws. Your rocket goes to jail for illegal
possession of a kerbal.
L125[14:23:05] <raptop> ...wait, that
makes sense
L126[14:23:06] <Althego> no, that is not
the outcome danny found
L127[14:23:08] <darkie> .
L128[14:23:25] <Althego> destroyed kerbin
with that
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L133[16:07:23] <Bebiezaza> Is either
UmbralRaptop or Deddly here? (I guess not Deddly, I don't see his
name on the right side but imma still try)
L134[16:07:44] <SporkWitch> if
tab-completion works, the person in question is at least
lurking
L135[16:08:53] <Bebiezaza> I see
L136[16:09:32] <SporkWitch> actually, i
should offer the caveat that that may be client-specific. Most IRC
clients go by who's actually currently in the channel, but there's
no reason it couldn't also offer names that have been present in
the chat log
L137[16:12:07] <Bebiezaza>
:thinking:
L138[16:12:21] <Bebiezaza> but yeah, I
don't really use IRC that much
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L140[16:19:22] <Bebiezaza> I guess imma
mention raptop too
L141[16:19:53] <SporkWitch> the better
question is WHY; it's generally considered rude to ping people out
of nowhere or for no reason...
L143[16:20:04] <SporkWitch> if you just
ask your question, most anyone that can help will try to
L144[16:22:24] <Mat2ch> That is an
ooooooold post
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L147[16:31:42] <Bebiezaza> I think I
crashed IRC webchat or something
L148[16:31:56] <Bebiezaza> hopefully i
didnt missed anything
L150[16:33:46] <SporkWitch> also, wtf is
toptal? what happened to my beloved hastebin? >_<
L151[16:34:20] <Bebiezaza> Thanks!
L152[16:34:45] <Bebiezaza> yeah, I tried
using client IRC and it crashed my webchat
L153[16:35:14] <SporkWitch> personally i
like kvirc; it's available for windows, mac, and linux, so you can
use the same client wherever you are and copy settings between
them
L154[16:38:05] <Bebiezaza> 🤔
L155[16:38:29] <Bebiezaza> but there's no
logging, right?
L156[16:39:31] <SporkWitch> in what
sense?
L157[16:40:33] <Bebiezaza> just log the
chat so I can catch up what would be here when I'm sleeping
L158[16:40:50] <Althego> simplest solution
is irssi in screen
L159[16:41:08] <Althego> you dont even
need to install it on multiple machines, just one
L160[16:42:00] <SporkWitch> Bebiezaza: you
need something that stays connected, like a bouncer (such as znc),
or as Althego said, just run irssi in a screen or tmux
session
L161[16:44:56] <Bebiezaza> i see . .
.
L162[16:45:14] <Bebiezaza> I guess time to
get a lightweight machine set up
L163[16:45:22] <Althego> a pi works
L164[16:45:58] <Bebiezaza> I thought of a
pi too :)
L165[16:48:22] <SporkWitch> raspis make
excellent bouncers. The raspi 4 even has enough oomph to run a plex
server with transcoding, though sadly POE isn't enough to drive two
external HDDs
L166[17:07:51] <Eddi|zuHause> that moment
where halfway through a mission to reach an orbit you notice that
it's supposed to be a retrograde orbit
L167[17:08:40] <SporkWitch> i mean, what
kind of orbital velocity are we talking about right now? minmus you
can literally just turn around lol
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L169[17:31:00] <darkie> .
L170[17:32:57] <darkie> Perhaps cheaper to
go for eccentric orbit and turn around at Ap and circularize.
L171[17:33:50] <darkie> Hmm, at Kerbin
it's 950 to SOI, so maybe teh same.
L172[17:34:42] <darkie> But then you can
launch East.
L173[17:34:55] <darkie> hmm
L174[17:35:02] <darkie> no, better launch
Wes.
L175[17:35:03] <darkie> t
L176[17:41:09] <Eddi|zuHause> SporkWitch:
it was supposed to be at keosynchronous orbit height, and turning
around would have taken like 2000m/s where i had like 400
left
L177[17:42:23] <SporkWitch> launching west
only costs about 300m/s or so
L178[17:42:52] <bees> Eddi|zuHause: highly
elliptic orbit to edge of kerbin SoI, reverse direction for like 50
m/s, insert to proper orbit
L179[17:43:01] <SporkWitch> ^
L180[17:43:07] <darkie> Aerobraking
L181[17:43:13] <bees> sometimes this can
save missions from this silly mistake
L182[17:44:00] <darkie> I saw a video
about lithobraking :).
L183[17:44:11] <darkie> Was done with a
landing wheel.
L184[17:48:17] <Eddi|zuHause> i just
reverted to quicksave before launch and made a proper retrograde
launch instead
L185[17:48:29] <Eddi|zuHause> now i have
reached the orbit with 20m/s left
L186[17:49:03] <darkie> Still have your
contract?
L187[17:49:48] <Eddi|zuHause> just
completed the contract
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L189[18:04:20] <Althego> kikkerikii
L190[18:04:48] <SporkWitch> Althego: is
this like a nervous tic or something? i keep seeing this non-word
coming up...
L191[18:05:06] <Althego> when kiara's
stream starts, she says this
L192[18:05:11] <FLHerne> As non-words go,
it's a good one
L193[18:05:23] <FLHerne> but I'm not sure
it's useful information
L194[18:06:41] <Althego> as far as i know
she tookteh german onomatopoeia for the rooster's sound
L195[18:06:51] <SporkWitch> ah
L196[18:07:13] <Althego> but anyway i say
thiswhen the stream stars
L197[18:07:32] <SporkWitch> that explains
the frequency with which i see it
L198[18:07:43] <SporkWitch> still no idea
what a kiara is
L199[18:07:43] <Althego> usually not more
than once a day
L200[18:08:03] <Althego> a phoenix
:)
L201[18:09:25] <darkie> I have two ongoing
missions, blocking free play.
L202[18:09:33] *
SporkWitch rolls eyes
L203[18:10:54] <darkie> 1. Capture a
gargantuan class I comet to solar orbit. 2. Get to Dres and back
with a tight dv budget.
L204[18:11:29] <SporkWitch> in what sense
are they blocking free play?
L205[18:11:45] <Eddi|zuHause> on my
current trajectory i have a duna encounter in 3 years... what
maneuvers could i run with ca. 1000m/s that would make it
sooner?
L206[18:12:01] <darkie> If I return to my
comet mission everything I have played after that will be in a dead
timeline.
L207[18:12:30] <darkie> Except I'd still
have teh rocket designs.
L208[18:12:52] <SporkWitch> ah, you're not
willing to let the mission run concurrently, gotcha
L209[18:13:34] <darkie> Well, I do that,
but eventually I want just one active timeline.
L210[18:14:09] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't
understand, why can't you just switch back and forth between
vessels?
L211[18:14:19] <SporkWitch> if you are
letting missions run concurrently, you HAVE one timeline...
concurrent means concurrent: your comet mission is there, time is
elapsing, you're just doing something else while it's on its
way...
L212[18:14:50] <SporkWitch> Eddi|zuHause:
i'm 99% sure he literally has a separate quicksave and doesn't want
to run missions concurrently since it complicates loading
quicksaves to correct mistakes
L213[18:15:02] <darkie> Ahh, that. No, I'm
well beyond the time to intercept the comet.
L214[18:15:19] <darkie> I could capture a
different comet.
L215[18:15:48] <SporkWitch> i tend to run
one mission at a time for similar reasons, but i have stuff I've no
problem just letting run, because i'm comfortable enough with it at
this point I don't need to worry about a screwup on the larger
scale. That stuff at most needs a quicksave before and after burns
/ landing attempts
L216[18:16:21] <darkie> But I guess the
current one would have to escape the solar system. Or I could stop
tracking it. But I already accepted the contract and I'm not sure
if it doesn't expire and thus can't be cancelled.
L217[18:16:41] <darkie> Eddi|zuHause:
Reduce Pe?
L218[18:21:45] <darkie> Eddi|zuHause: If
you start a Duna mission during a transfer window it doesn't last 3
years.
L219[18:27:02] <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't
start a duna mission, i started an "escape kerbin"
mission, where i caught a mun flyby and am now on a minimus flyby.
now looking at where to go from there
L220[18:28:36] <darkie> Did you escape
nicely prograde, or is your orbit crossing Kerbin's orbit?
L221[18:29:47] <darkie> ppl told me a Mun
flyby isn't worth it. I guess that's true, if you have enough dv.
But it can save a bit. Minmus won't do much gravity assist
wise.
L222[18:29:58] <Eddi|zuHause> current
trajectory is prograde, and i have two maneuvers planned, one at
minimus PE to raise AP to duna level, and one at future AP to lower
PE to find a duna flyby
L223[18:30:18] <Eddi|zuHause> well, the
objective was to get science from the flyby
L224[18:30:24] <darkie> mhm
L225[18:30:55] <SporkWitch> i assume this
is a probe mission?
L226[18:31:05] <Eddi|zuHause> yes.
unmanned probe
L227[18:31:10] <darkie> if you flyby Duna
(and maybe even Ike), you could return to Kerbin.
L228[18:31:35] <Eddi|zuHause> not much
point in flying back
L229[18:31:42] <SporkWitch> Not a big deal
if it's lost, then. Lessons learned either way. My first trip to a
planet is always unmanned for exactly that reason
L230[18:31:50] <darkie> Got comms to
transmit science to Kerbin?
L231[18:32:13] <Eddi|zuHause> yes, not
sure how far they work, though
L232[18:33:06] <darkie> May have to wait
for a Kerbin conjunction.
L235[18:33:45] <Eddi|zuHause> i have two
of the 5M antennas on the probe
L236[18:33:57] <Eddi|zuHause> they say
"combinable"
L237[18:34:00] <darkie> That won't
suffice, I think.
L238[18:34:05] <SporkWitch> My first Eve
probe came up short on dV, ended up with a ridiculously eccentric
orbit that swings between low- and high-space, even after
exhausting my RCS fuel to bring the apoapsis down as much as i
could heh
L239[18:34:19] <SporkWitch> (that was
before I had ion engines, though, so it was just an ant and a bunch
of oscar-b tanks)
L240[18:35:08] <SporkWitch> per the chart
in the link i gave you, that's not nearly enough signal strength;
that probe is lost
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L243[18:35:43] <SporkWitch> well, at least
until you set up a relay network with better antennas, but since
you won't be able to make the capture burn unless it's perfectly
oriented before it loses signal, that'd be moot
L244[18:35:47] <Eddi|zuHause> that's ok...
reaching duna was never the point. just a nice gimmick
L245[18:36:07] <SporkWitch> fair, and
remember: failure is part of the fun and the learning process
L246[18:36:21] <SporkWitch> that's why we
use probes first: no kerbals (and more importantly, their xp)
lost
L247[18:36:49] <Eddi|zuHause> the point
was always just "escape kerbin SOI"
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L249[18:37:08] <SporkWitch> escaping
kerbin's SOI isn't overly difficult, only takes like 1km/s
L250[18:37:11] <Eddi|zuHause> so the last
expected thing was to transmit sun SOI science
L251[19:01:33] <SporkWitch> please tell me
this wasn't fixed, i soooo need to use this to make a TIE Fighter
lol
L253[19:02:34] <Althego> i think it
wasnt
L254[19:03:09] <Althego> if the docking
port engine is still there that is better for a tie fighter
L255[19:03:27] <SporkWitch> no, because
TIE == Twin ION Engine
L256[19:03:36] <Althego> yes but you dont
see exhaust
L257[20:10:15] <sandbox> I'm
exhausted
L258[20:25:59] <SporkWitch> hi exhausted,
i'm SporkWitch
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L260[20:35:34] <darkie> sandbox: Are you
propellant?
L261[20:36:32] <sandbox> I hope not
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L294[21:14:02] <Mat2ch> oh, wow
L295[21:14:09] <Mat2ch> SpaceX tested a
tank to explosion! \o/
L296[21:14:27] <SporkWitch> 'tis the
kerbal way!
L298[21:17:13] <Mat2ch> dome says
byyyyyeeeeee
L299[21:19:59] <Eddi|zuHause> the problem
with plane missions on the other side of the planet: you can't fast
forward 30 minutes
L300[21:20:24] <SporkWitch> Eddi|zuHause:
1) suborbital hop, 2) better time warp mod
L301[21:23:41] <Eddi|zuHause> i might
check out 2
L302[21:25:11] <Eddi|zuHause>
later...
L303[21:29:22] <SporkWitch> better time
warp enables higher physics timewarp rates, as well as time warp
while accelerating in space (time warp through that 2h ion engine
burn!)
L304[21:32:36] <SporkWitch> also enables
slowing or even pausing time (so you can take your time calculating
maneuvers; this is a huge one IMO, since unlike IRL, we can't
really calculate everything from mission start, especially the
ascent)
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L306[21:40:13] <Eddi|zuHause> i really
miss setting up maneuvers before launch, to find the correct launch
window e.g. too meet a space station in low orbit
L307[21:40:33] <SporkWitch> exactly,
there's a reason we do it IRL lol
L308[21:40:59] <SporkWitch> NASA wouldn't
be eyeballing the ideal launch to match minmus inclination
lol
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L311[21:50:02] <darkie> For Minmus we can
change plane early in the launch and then find the right place for
the departure burn.
L312[21:51:12] <darkie> But yeah, when to
launch requires eyeballing and trial and error.
L313[21:51:50] <SporkWitch> it was a
simple example that's one of the easier TOO eyeball, but nasa still
wouldn't. we have maths for that, and computers lol.
L314[21:51:58] <SporkWitch> *TO
L315[21:52:36] <darkie> By Dres departure
was significantly off.
L316[21:52:45] <darkie> My*
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L319[21:57:50] <Eddi|zuHause> well, for
everything after launch you can fiddle around with maneuver nodes
on your space station to find the right orbital positions
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